Miracle on 34th Street (1994) | S2E21

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Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie, and

welcome back to Retro Made.

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Today we're heading into holiday

territory with the: 1994

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of Miracle on 34th Street.

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The version that tried to bring Chris

Gringle into the nineties ended up

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becoming its own nostalgic time capsule.

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So let's dig into the movie as well as the

era and why this version still delivers

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some cozy Christmas vibes decades later.

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My guest today is a familiar

face, my regular podcast

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partner in crime, Ryan Rabkin.

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Welcome, Ryan.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Thanks Katie.

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It's a pleasure to be here and happy

holidays and Merry Christmas and all

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those things to you and your listeners

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Katie: Thank you.

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Yeah.

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At the time of this recording,

American Thanksgiving was.

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Ryan Rebalkin: just

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Katie: Like a day or so ago.

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Yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah,

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Katie: now it's officially Christmas time.

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I have a kind of a festive sweater on.

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So yeah, Ryan, you have a full

slate of shows and projects

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going on at any given time.

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So why don't you remind us what,

what you're working on these days.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Let's just keep it simple.

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Check out the Director's chair

network, which of course, your

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John Hughes coverage is on.

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But if people are interested in hearing

other director's works, just Google

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the Director's Chair Network podcast.

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It'll come up where it's available.

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It's available everywhere,

YouTube and audio.

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And for poops and giggles, check

out the worst of the best podcast.

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That's where Katie's

been on before as well.

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And that's the one where we do a

variety of different topics and we

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just pick the worst from the best.

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And I'm really looking forward to our end

of the year episode the dead celebrity

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roundup, which is always our most fun,

where we pick the worst celebrity death.

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And how does that work, Katie?

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It's, there's two things.

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One.

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Which one affected us the worst.

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You know?

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Which one, which one hurt the worst?

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You know, the biggest fan that we

might've been, and which we think

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is the worst person that died.

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So we're, we're kind of happy.

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They're gone.

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Not in the bad, you know what I mean?

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But

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: really like

that person, you know?

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So.

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Katie: That is a fun episode.

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I'm looking forward to that.

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Ryan Rebalkin: I'm looking

forward to it as well.

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Okay.

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Katie: Awesome.

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Ryan Rebalkin: excited for this.

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Katie: I think this is the only

John Hughes movie that we're

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covering on this season from 1994.

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So

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Ryan Rebalkin: wow.

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Katie: we get into the movie, let's

get into the mood from , 31 years ago.

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Ryan Rebalkin: For context, Katie,

I graduated high school June of 93.

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Katie: Wow.

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Yeah.

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My old, my sister graduated in 93 too.

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One of my sisters.

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So we are going to open

the time capsule and spin.

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The wheel of retro made categories

and see how, I have a feeling you're

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gonna be good at these since you,

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Ryan Rebalkin: maybe

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Katie: okay.

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We have commercial countdown.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

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Katie: In 1994,

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There were some notable campaigns.

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These are pretty good ones.

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Okay.

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There's an iconic and long running slogan

mpaign that first launched in: 1994

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aiming to capture the unique flavors of

the candy through a sensory experience.

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Ryan Rebalkin: So you have to keep in

mind, I'm also Canadian, so some of

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your candies products and stuff might

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Katie: You, this is a, I have a feeling.

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So it's a, it's a,

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Ryan Rebalkin: m's one?

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Katie: You're on the right track.

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It's similar.

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It's a colorful candy.

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Yes.

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And what was the campaign?

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Ryan Rebalkin: Rainbow

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Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, boy.

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Boy, their marketing works, eh?

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Geez.

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Katie: You know, Skittles are really good.

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Ryan Rebalkin: They're good.

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I do prefer I, I don't mind.

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It's, it's got that tartness.

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I'm not a big tart guy.

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I'm more of a sweet guy.

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I, so I would,

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Katie: Mm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: and msms, but Sure.

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I, I'll eat a bag of Skittles.

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Katie: I,

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mean

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Ryan Rebalkin: me force my hand, Katie.

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I'll

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eat a bag of Skittles.

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Katie: Let's find another

category that crosses the

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cultural boundaries of countries.

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Ryan Rebalkin: your

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Katie: Hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: way.

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Katie: VHS Vault is the

category we've come to.

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So I have a feeling you're

gonna be really good at this

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Ryan Rebalkin: Hmm.

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Katie: top rented movies of 1994.

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Ryan Rebalkin: This is tricky.

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'cause VHS in the time is like,

for example, I mean, we're

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gonna be talking about Mr.

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Attenberg today, and he

was in Jurassic Park,: 1993

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So that came out in 93.

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So I assume it, see it ran in

the summer of 93, so I assume

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it was on VHS rental in 94.

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So would Jurassic Park be

up there for a top rental?

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Katie: That's a really good guess.

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Ryan Rebalkin: You get what I'm saying?

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Katie: yeah,

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Ryan Rebalkin: out quicker

than I remember back then?

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Katie: Sometimes it's a crapshoot.

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'cause some movies are so big that

they stay in the theater for longer.

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You know what I mean?

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So keep that in mind.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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So I was gonna see if you had any,

just off the top of your head.

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Ryan Rebalkin: I can't remember.

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Katie: Okay.

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This film was the top video

cassette rental, hence our

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VHS vault titled category.

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It stars,

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boy, it's gonna give it away.

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My Tom Hanks is the lead star, and

then there's another lead woman.

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If I say her name, it'll

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no.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, really?

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Katie: It is a romantic comedy.

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They fall in love

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across the country from each other.

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Ryan Rebalkin: was then,

see, this is what I mean.

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I think Forrest Gump was 93.

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When was sleepless was that after Forrest?

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Because I'm 99% sure.

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Forres Gump was 93 94 because it

lost to, to pulp Fiction for best

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pitcher, or sorry, pulp Fiction lost

to Forres Gump for best pitcher.

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And that was a big kerfuffle.

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Boy, this is crazy.

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I thought Sleepless in

Seattle was an earlier films.

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This is

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Katie: It came out in 93.

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Ryan Rebalkin: he had two films that

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Katie: Yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: big.

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Katie: mean, Tom Hanks was, yeah,

he was huge at the time, so, yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: that one beat Wow.

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Katie: Well, again, these are video

rentals, you know, so think of, you know,

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your, your strolling with your, maybe

your boyfriend or your girlfriend through,

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you know, a blockbuster.

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Ryan Rebalkin: People

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Katie: Okay.

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Ryan Rebalkin: So that, so it came in the

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theaters in 94, so I guess, yeah, you're

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Katie: That tracks.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yep.

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Ryan Rebalkin: weird.

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This is what I mean.

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I get so

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confused.

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Katie: This one is, yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: 93 and you're rented in 94?

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Katie: Yep.

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Exactly.

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Okay.

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Now, next one, released in late 93.

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This film was the fifth most rented

video of 94 starring Harrison Ford.

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Is that helping you at all, or do you need

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Ryan Rebalkin: me.

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Was he doing the Clear and

present Danger films then?

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The

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Katie: kind of genre.

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He was wrongly, he was wrongly convicted

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Ryan Rebalkin: yeah,

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Katie: of murdering his wife.

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Ryan Rebalkin: why is, it wasn't me.

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It was a one arm man.

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What was that called?

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The Fugitive?

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Yes.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Very good.

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Very good.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Oh my gosh.

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That's the classic meme

from Tom Lee Jones.

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I don't care.

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I love that meme when

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: in the tunnel 'cause

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says I didn't kill, or,

you know, I'm innocent.

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And Tom Lee Jones is like, I don't care.

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I've, I've just, I'm, I'm

ordered to arrest you.

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Like I let the courts figure this out.

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I just have to arrest you.

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I love that.

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Katie: All right.

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The highly successful legal and

political thriller that seems like

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very much this time, lots of, lots

of that going on at this time.

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It's based on a John Grisham novel,

fourth most rented film of 94.

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It starts Julia Roberts.

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Ryan Rebalkin: at the Pelican

Brief with Denzel Washington.

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Katie: Yes.

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Law student who uncovers

a dangerous conspiracy.

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You're right, it is the Pelican Brief.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Denzel one

of my favorite actors of all

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: funny with

Julia, I have softened with her.

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I don't

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Katie: I love her.

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Ryan Rebalkin: I always

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hardened on her.

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because remember, I'm a teen

when she's a big actress.

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Like her, her stratosphere of stardom

was when I was a teenager and I

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: it was that

she didn't, but as I've

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gotten older, I've gotten to

appreciate her a little bit more.

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That's the same with other ones you've

covered on your show, like people like

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Patrick Swayze, we've talked about

that, where I wasn't a big fan of

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Katie: Yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: up 'cause it just

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: like come

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on, on, you're

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not, you're, you're not

sly, you're not Arnold.

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You do you think you are Mr.

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Swayze pretty boy.

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And but when I got older I

was like, oh, I, I like him.

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So, yeah.

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Katie: Well, I'm kind of surprised about

Julia because she's very attractive.

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Didn't you think she was

at least nice to look at?

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Ryan Rebalkin: Well, yes, she is a

very pretty of course and pretty woman.

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I think it was just her, I don't know.

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I think it might've been her

laugh and pretty woman bugged

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Katie: Oh,

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Ryan Rebalkin: and I

think it was rubbed off.

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Katie: I can see that

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Ryan Rebalkin: bugged me.

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Katie: Oh, I love it.

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Ryan Rebalkin: I've grown to like her over

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the years.

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And I will say we actually

shared the same birthday, if you

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Katie: You and Julia Roberts.

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Ryan Rebalkin: both born October 28th.

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Yes.

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Katie: Oh,

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Ryan Rebalkin: yearly

that we shared the same

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Katie: Very nice.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

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Katie: Okay.

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This is wild.

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This is another, we were just

talking about how on fire

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Tom Hanks was at the time.

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This is another, another hot video rental

at this time was another Tom Hanks movie.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Well, that

has to be Philadelphia

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Katie: It is the, are you Cheating Ryan?

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Ryan Rebalkin: Denzel, Denzel of

course, played the the guy who was like.

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I wouldn't say homophobic, but I guess

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Katie: yeah, Mm-hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: definitely in that

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film and you know, having to help.

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saw that, I believe I saw Philadelphia in

the theater I'd just seen it the one time.

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Just the one time.

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But I saw it in the

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Katie: Well, it's not a real

rewatch, you know, it's the

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content of it, it doesn't spark.

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Mm-hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: A, like the

feel good movie of the year.

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I put Philadelphia and Schindler us on

every holidays season to get into the MO

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Katie: Yeah.

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So just as a reminder, you guys, Tom

Hanks won an Oscar for that role.

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Ryan Rebalkin: in a row.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan Rebalkin: He was a back toback

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winner for Philadelphia and, for

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Katie: For Gump.

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Ryan Rebalkin: winner.

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Katie: Who doesn't love Tom Hanks, man.

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I mean, he's like,

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Ryan Rebalkin: of

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Katie: this America's sweetheart.

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Ryan Rebalkin: a lot of people

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Katie: Well, you gotta

be crazy if you don't.

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Ryan Rebalkin: I love his movies.

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Katie: yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: his movies.

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Yes.

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Katie: Last one, Ryan?

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Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

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I, I'm not doing very good by the way.

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Katie: No, actually you are.

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Because this, I will say again, this

category is a little tricky because

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it's not, you know, it's the rentals.

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So you're trying to

figure out like a Yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: I just, Yeah.

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there were so many.

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Here's the thing about the nineties too.

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There was, was such a

heyday of great films.

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Like we just talking about all these films

was just Tom Hanks, I mean from, you know,

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for gum Philadelphia Super in Seattle.

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Then he was a League of

their own just before that.

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I am looking at it over here

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Katie: Oh, I forgot they got their own.

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Yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, and it's

just he had a run, right?

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And then

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Katie: Yeah.

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Ryan Rebalkin: then Toy Story.

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So this

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guy, and then Saving Private

Ryan this guy has a run, you

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Katie: Y yeah, I mean, he never

stopped, to be honest with you.

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'cause he was real big in the eighties,

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With all those comedies.

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Ryan Rebalkin: And Toy Story five's

being made right now, by the way.

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Katie: Is it, can I admit something?

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I've never seen any Toy Story movie.

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Ryan Rebalkin: they're fun.

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Katie: I hear that, but I

just, it doesn't draw me in.

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Ryan Rebalkin: Well,

you're a motherless woman,

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Katie: Yes,

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I am a mother to canine kids,

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Ryan Rebalkin: yes,

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Katie: that doesn't Yeah.

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Toy story.

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Huh?

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Ryan Rebalkin: actually.

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: 00:11:09

Legit.

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: 00:11:09

It's great storytelling.

360

: 00:11:11

Katie: I hear that.

361

: 00:11:12

I mean, I, I believe it.

362

: 00:11:14

Ryan Rebalkin: and the other thing

is too, is I relate to the boy,

363

: 00:11:16

especially with the first one about

him playing with his toys and having

364

: 00:11:19

these relationship with his toys.

365

: 00:11:20

That was me.

366

: 00:11:20

I had a relationship with my toys,

and so I totally get that storytelling

367

: 00:11:25

of, and then it's about a, a boy

who grows old, and that's the thing

368

: 00:11:29

that, you know, you outgrow your

369

: 00:11:30

Katie: Mm-hmm.

370

: 00:11:31

Ryan Rebalkin: heartfelt type storyline.

371

: 00:11:32

yeah,

372

: 00:11:33

Katie: I like it.

373

: 00:11:34

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah,

374

: 00:11:35

Katie: Maybe one day

there's just so much content

375

: 00:11:37

Ryan Rebalkin: there's too much.

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: 00:11:39

I know.

377

: 00:11:40

Katie: Alright.

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: 00:11:40

Last one of this category, this action

thriller starring Clint Eastwood as

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: 00:11:47

a Secret service agent haunted by his

past third most runs video of the year.

380

: 00:11:51

What movie

381

: 00:11:52

is this?

382

: 00:11:52

Ryan Rebalkin: hard to buy.

383

: 00:11:53

His past was.

384

: 00:11:54

The one where he protected the president?

385

: 00:11:57

No.

386

: 00:11:58

Katie: Secret Service agent.

387

: 00:11:59

Yeah.

388

: 00:11:59

Yeah.

389

: 00:12:00

Yep.

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: 00:12:01

Ryan Rebalkin: With John Kovich?

391

: 00:12:03

No.

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: 00:12:05

Okay.

393

: 00:12:05

He had a few in the nineties too.

394

: 00:12:06

I love Clint.

395

: 00:12:07

Unforgiven.

396

: 00:12:08

He had a in the line of fire

was the one I'm thinking

397

: 00:12:11

Katie: Mm-hmm.

398

: 00:12:12

Mm-hmm.

399

: 00:12:12

Ryan Rebalkin: but it's

400

: 00:12:13

not that one.

401

: 00:12:13

Katie: It is that one.

402

: 00:12:14

It is that one in the line of fire.

403

: 00:12:16

Secret service agent.

404

: 00:12:17

Yeah.

405

: 00:12:18

Yep.

406

: 00:12:18

Ryan Rebalkin: I'll never

forget the classic scene.

407

: 00:12:19

He is right along beside the car.

408

: 00:12:20

It's just funny.

409

: 00:12:21

Clint was old then.

410

: 00:12:22

That was 30 years ago, but he wasn't

old and like he was, but he was, and

411

: 00:12:26

he is 60 something, which isn't that

really that old, but it's just funny

412

: 00:12:28

to think like, oh, Clint, he's what

was an old actor in the nineties, but

413

: 00:12:32

Katie: he

414

: 00:12:33

Ryan Rebalkin: something.

415

: 00:12:33

Katie: He, I mean, that's

416

: 00:12:34

not

417

: 00:12:34

young.

418

: 00:12:35

Ryan Rebalkin: It's not young.

419

: 00:12:36

but it's not like it's I

know, but he's still alive.

420

: 00:12:38

The guy, it's

421

: 00:12:40

Katie: He's very, he's

what, mid nineties maybe.

422

: 00:12:43

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, he's, he's.

423

: 00:12:45

He's, I think he's just about dead.

424

: 00:12:49

Fingers

425

: 00:12:49

Katie: But he is still working.

426

: 00:12:50

Ryan Rebalkin: of the year.

427

: 00:12:51

No, that's, yeah, he's 95.

428

: 00:12:53

Katie: Yeah.

429

: 00:12:53

I, yeah.

430

: 00:12:55

And he is still like

directing things, I feel like.

431

: 00:12:57

Ryan Rebalkin: Bless his

heart, he's still doing it.

432

: 00:12:59

He, well the last film that he

starred in was Cry Macho in: 2021

433

: 00:13:03

The last

434

: 00:13:03

Katie: Mm.

435

: 00:13:04

Ryan Rebalkin: was juror number two

in: 2024

436

: 00:13:09

I didn't even know it was him that

directed it until I saw the movie.

437

: 00:13:11

So that was his last film, which

is only, I guess a year ago.

438

: 00:13:13

I don't think he's directing

anything right now.

439

: 00:13:15

I think he might officially be retired.

440

: 00:13:16

Katie: okay.

441

: 00:13:17

I've, yeah,

442

: 00:13:18

Ryan Rebalkin: he's got

anything on the go right now.

443

: 00:13:19

95.

444

: 00:13:19

Come on, Clint.

445

: 00:13:20

Katie: I swear I saw like a still

of him on a set of something.

446

: 00:13:24

I could be wrong, but anyway.

447

: 00:13:26

Good on you.

448

: 00:13:26

I mean, keep,

449

: 00:13:27

Ryan Rebalkin: I

450

: 00:13:28

Katie: yeah.

451

: 00:13:28

Betty White worked until she died

452

: 00:13:31

at 99.

453

: 00:13:32

Mm-hmm.

454

: 00:13:32

Ryan Rebalkin: crazy.

455

: 00:13:33

That's crazy.

456

: 00:13:34

Katie: All right.

457

: 00:13:34

We have one more category.

458

: 00:13:36

We came to back in the headlines, Ryan,

459

: 00:13:38

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh,

460

: 00:13:39

Katie: big,

461

: 00:13:39

news stories in 94.

462

: 00:13:42

There's a few of 'em that are

really well known, so I'd be

463

: 00:13:45

surprised if you didn't get them.

464

: 00:13:47

Ryan Rebalkin: Sure.

465

: 00:13:48

Katie: Okay.

466

: 00:13:48

January 94, the US and the world was

captivated by a bizarre incident at

467

: 00:13:54

a figure skating practice session.

468

: 00:13:57

Ryan Rebalkin: is the what?

469

: 00:13:58

The,

470

: 00:13:59

Katie: Olympic hopeful

was clubbed on the knee.

471

: 00:14:03

Ryan Rebalkin: no, sorry.

472

: 00:14:03

Kate Nancy Carrigan and

the blonde-haired one.

473

: 00:14:06

Katie: Mm-hmm.

474

: 00:14:06

Ryan Rebalkin: What was her name again?

475

: 00:14:08

Frick.

476

: 00:14:08

Don't tell

477

: 00:14:09

Katie: Don't tell you.

478

: 00:14:10

Ryan Rebalkin: name.

479

: 00:14:10

Like I, if I saw

480

: 00:14:11

the name in a fricking thousand

481

: 00:14:13

Katie: Yes.

482

: 00:14:13

Ryan Rebalkin: I'd pick it out.

483

: 00:14:15

Nancy Kerrigan.

484

: 00:14:16

And

485

: 00:14:16

Katie: her main rival

486

: 00:14:17

Tanya is her first name.

487

: 00:14:19

Ryan Rebalkin: Harding.

488

: 00:14:20

Yeah.

489

: 00:14:20

Katie: Yeah.

490

: 00:14:20

So yep.

491

: 00:14:21

The attack on figure

skater Nancy Carrigan.

492

: 00:14:24

Ryan Rebalkin: Bat to the lake.

493

: 00:14:26

Katie: Or was it a baseball

bat or some sort of a

494

: 00:14:29

Ryan Rebalkin: she got hit with a

495

: 00:14:29

baseball bat, but it wasn't, it wasn't

Taja that did the blow, I don't think.

496

: 00:14:33

I think

497

: 00:14:34

Katie: No, no, no, no.

498

: 00:14:34

There was a whole, and movies

have been made and we'll

499

: 00:14:36

actually talk about it because

500

: 00:14:38

Ryan Rebalkin: Margo,

501

: 00:14:38

Katie: of our

502

: 00:14:40

Ryan Rebalkin: Taja.

503

: 00:14:41

Or I ta or something.

504

: 00:14:41

I wanna

505

: 00:14:42

Katie: mm-hmm.

506

: 00:14:42

Ryan Rebalkin: film.

507

: 00:14:42

But yeah, I

508

: 00:14:43

Katie: Oh, you haven't seen it?

509

: 00:14:43

It's good.

510

: 00:14:44

I, I, Tanya

511

: 00:14:45

Ryan Rebalkin: is she, she got somebody

to hit somebody with a bat with their leg.

512

: 00:14:49

Right.

513

: 00:14:49

Or

514

: 00:14:49

Katie: and her husband.

515

: 00:14:50

Ryan Rebalkin: Isn't

516

: 00:14:50

Katie: Yeah.

517

: 00:14:51

Ryan Rebalkin: you?

518

: 00:14:51

It's such a what a

519

: 00:14:52

weird, just be better than her.

520

: 00:14:56

Katie: Well, I think she still

asserts that she had nothing to do

521

: 00:15:00

with it, that her husband paid this.

522

: 00:15:01

And it was like some guy that,

but many movies have been made

523

: 00:15:04

about it over the last 30 years.

524

: 00:15:06

I, Tanya is really good, but a

lot of TV movies and stuff, you

525

: 00:15:09

know, remember in the nineties

there were a lot of TV movies.

526

: 00:15:12

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

527

: 00:15:13

Yeah.

528

: 00:15:13

Katie: loved it about this kind of stuff.

529

: 00:15:14

Okay.

530

: 00:15:15

Now this next one, on June 17th, 94, an

estimated 95 million viewers tuned in to

531

: 00:15:22

watch live footage of police pursuing a

very specific vehicle in the Los Angeles.

532

: 00:15:31

And who was it carrying?

533

: 00:15:33

Ryan Rebalkin: oj who's innocent?

534

: 00:15:34

May he rest in

535

: 00:15:35

Katie: Oh dear.

536

: 00:15:36

Oh dear.

537

: 00:15:37

Ryan Rebalkin: I honestly, I, I

have a, I, you know, what if, put

538

: 00:15:40

my little tenfold hat on here.

539

: 00:15:42

What will a father do for his son?

540

: 00:15:44

I believe he took the hit for his son.

541

: 00:15:46

I don't know.

542

: 00:15:47

There's a part of me, the, the glove

didn't fit because it fit his son, Katie,

543

: 00:15:51

Katie: Well, I sort of believe the

conspiracy about JonBenet Ramsey,

544

: 00:15:54

that the kit, the son did it.

545

: 00:15:56

Maybe like I, you know, that they covered.

546

: 00:15:58

Ryan Rebalkin: out here.

547

: 00:15:59

Think about it.

548

: 00:16:00

Think about oj the reason why he

could be so like, like when he did get

549

: 00:16:04

out, like how could he go on Twitter?

550

: 00:16:06

How could he have this?

551

: 00:16:07

How?

552

: 00:16:07

Because he actually didn't kill anyone.

553

: 00:16:08

His crime was protecting his son.

554

: 00:16:12

If you put that cap on, that's

how he could be still kind

555

: 00:16:16

of the jovial OJ that he was.

556

: 00:16:17

Because if you think about it, he

didn't kill his wife and, and the lover.

557

: 00:16:22

It was the son who was mad

at his mother stepping out.

558

: 00:16:25

So there you go.

559

: 00:16:26

The glove didn't fit.

560

: 00:16:27

He OJ covered for his

son and life goes on.

561

: 00:16:29

Katie: I don't buy it.

562

: 00:16:30

They were already broken up.

563

: 00:16:31

It's not like they were still.

564

: 00:16:32

Ryan Rebalkin: you.

565

: 00:16:32

Katie: But I like your tin tin hat.

566

: 00:16:34

Thanks for, thanks for

playing conspiracy theories

567

: 00:16:37

with Katie and Ryan.

568

: 00:16:38

Ryan Rebalkin: Uh uh.

569

: 00:16:39

Let us know in the show notes

if Ryan's off his rocker.

570

: 00:16:41

Katie: Mm-hmm.

571

: 00:16:42

Alright, last one, Ryan.

572

: 00:16:45

April 5th.

573

: 00:16:46

The music world was rocked by the

death of the, the lead singer of an

574

: 00:16:52

say again.

575

: 00:16:53

Ryan Rebalkin: Freddie Mercury.

576

: 00:16:54

Katie: No.

577

: 00:16:54

Nope.

578

: 00:16:54

That was earlier

579

: 00:16:55

Ryan Rebalkin: that's earlier.

580

: 00:16:56

Okay.

581

: 00:16:56

Katie: Lead singer of iconic grunge band.

582

: 00:17:00

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, okay.

583

: 00:17:01

Another conspiracy.

584

: 00:17:04

He was murdered.

585

: 00:17:05

He was murdered by whole singer.

586

: 00:17:07

Courtney.

587

: 00:17:08

Courtney.

588

: 00:17:08

Love.

589

: 00:17:09

Katie: His suicide

590

: 00:17:11

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh,

591

: 00:17:12

Katie: at the age of 27.

592

: 00:17:13

Now there's the conspiracy, you know,

there's this whole, like the 27 club.

593

: 00:17:17

Ryan Rebalkin: conspiracy.

594

: 00:17:18

Look, just Google it.

595

: 00:17:20

Folks have some fun.

596

: 00:17:21

All I'm saying, all I say about

conspiracy theories, Katie, is

597

: 00:17:23

I don't necessarily subscribe.

598

: 00:17:25

You've heard my worst of the best

599

: 00:17:26

Katie: Mm-hmm.

600

: 00:17:26

Ryan Rebalkin: I don't necessarily

subscribe to them, but they're so,

601

: 00:17:29

they're, they're fun to they examine and

talk about like, why did people get there?

602

: 00:17:33

Katie: Well, some are fun, but some

really cause real harm and damage

603

: 00:17:38

to people, like not believing school

shootings and stuff like that, or Yeah.

604

: 00:17:43

But they're all conspiracy theories, so,

605

: 00:17:45

Ryan Rebalkin: the yeah, Kurt

Cobain caused the damage himself.

606

: 00:17:48

I think the damage has been done.

607

: 00:17:49

Katie: so yes, the answer

is the death of Kurt Cobain.

608

: 00:17:53

Well that concludes this portion

of the time Capsule on Retro Made.

609

: 00:17:57

Thank you for playing Ryan.

610

: 00:17:58

Ryan Rebalkin: It's always fun.

611

: 00:17:59

I'm not very good at it, but it

is fun to think those days for me.

612

: 00:18:03

'cause I'm old.

613

: 00:18:03

I'm 50 now and those days it

seems like yesterday, like I

614

: 00:18:07

remember when Kurt killed himself.

615

: 00:18:10

I remember when Nancy got

hit with a baseball bat.

616

: 00:18:14

it's just weird.

617

: 00:18:14

I remember I oj and the, and

the verdict and all that stuff.

618

: 00:18:17

It's just weird that Yeah,

the rounds that made the, the,

619

: 00:18:21

everything happened at once.

620

: 00:18:22

Look at what a busy year, right?

621

: 00:18:24

Katie: Well, the Yes, the

mid nineties really were and

622

: 00:18:27

the thi it so it's 30 also.

623

: 00:18:29

You're right, it does kind of seem both

like forever ago in that these things

624

: 00:18:34

have been pared and joked about so much

now that it almost doesn't seem real.

625

: 00:18:39

But these.

626

: 00:18:39

This really did happen.

627

: 00:18:41

But yeah, a lot happened, man.

628

: 00:18:43

Ryan Rebalkin: A lot happened.

629

: 00:18:44

But you know what else happened?

630

: 00:18:45

Katie

631

: 00:18:46

Miracle at 34th Street was released.

632

: 00:18:49

Katie: it was, so shall we

get into the: 1994

633

: 00:18:53

Miracle on 34th Street, Ryan,

634

: 00:19:02

this is one of four remakes

635

: 00:19:06

that we're covering on

this John Hughes season.

636

: 00:19:08

Can you think of the other three?

637

: 00:19:10

Ryan Rebalkin: oh boy.

638

: 00:19:11

You're putting me on the spot.

639

: 00:19:11

'cause I listened to all

your episodes, remake.

640

: 00:19:14

So I'd have to go to the John Hughes.

641

: 00:19:16

Katie: You can't look it up.

642

: 00:19:17

You can't look it up.

643

: 00:19:18

Ryan Rebalkin: going to right

now just because I, I don't even

644

: 00:19:20

know what necessarily has been

a remake to be honest with you,

645

: 00:19:23

Katie: Well, we've

covered two on the show.

646

: 00:19:25

One has not been released yet.

647

: 00:19:29

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

648

: 00:19:29

I'm just looking to be honest with you.

649

: 00:19:31

He was, oh, well, I guess 101 Dalmatians.

650

: 00:19:33

Well, no, he, oh, you're

carbon writing too.

651

: 00:19:35

So that was a remake I

652

: 00:19:37

Katie: Yep.

653

: 00:19:37

101.

654

: 00:19:37

Dalmatians is one of 'em,

and that episode hasn't.

655

: 00:19:40

hasn't come out

656

: 00:19:41

yet.

657

: 00:19:41

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

658

: 00:19:41

That Hasn't come out yet.

659

: 00:19:42

Miracle Street's number two.

660

: 00:19:45

Well, I guess with Dennis and

Menace be considered a remake.

661

: 00:19:48

Katie: Yep.

662

: 00:19:48

Dennis

663

: 00:19:50

Ryan Rebalkin: and then

I'm gonna, I'm just

664

: 00:19:51

Katie: one more.

665

: 00:19:52

Ryan Rebalkin: Boy, can I just say

how much I love Savage Islands?

666

: 00:19:54

Can we talk about Savage

667

: 00:19:56

Katie: we will in just a minute.

668

: 00:19:57

We need to, yeah.

669

: 00:19:59

Ryan Rebalkin: right.

670

: 00:19:59

I what's the fourth one?

671

: 00:20:01

Katie: Flubber recently covered.

672

: 00:20:03

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

673

: 00:20:04

Katie: Did you not listen

to the episode, Ryan?

674

: 00:20:06

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

675

: 00:20:06

Well, I don't, yes, like me though.

676

: 00:20:09

You listen when you're

677

: 00:20:09

Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

678

: 00:20:10

Ryan Rebalkin: you don't catch

679

: 00:20:11

Katie: yeah, for sure.

680

: 00:20:13

Ryan Rebalkin: Flubber.

681

: 00:20:13

That's right.

682

: 00:20:14

That's right.

683

: 00:20:15

Rest in peace is a great Robin.

684

: 00:20:16

Yeah, but those are remakes, I guess.

685

: 00:20:19

So this is what I mean.

686

: 00:20:19

I

687

: 00:20:20

I like, I think Miracle on 34th

Street is a true remake 'cause

688

: 00:20:23

because Dennis and Menace and stuff,

it's kind of like based on a comic.

689

: 00:20:27

And I, I get, I know what you're

saying, but I would consider Miracle

690

: 00:20:30

on 34th Street a true, this was a live

action film that came out, you know,

691

: 00:20:34

a few decades before Black and white.

692

: 00:20:36

I believe so.

693

: 00:20:37

And I, which I did.

694

: 00:20:38

I have seen that version.

695

: 00:20:39

Have you seen the 1947

696

: 00:20:41

Katie: I'm glad to hear that.

697

: 00:20:41

'cause I was gonna ask

you because I actually,

698

: 00:20:44

Ryan Rebalkin: but I've seen it.

699

: 00:20:45

Katie: okay.

700

: 00:20:46

I I actually rewatched it

yesterday because, so you

701

: 00:20:49

guys miracle on 34th Street?

702

: 00:20:51

I'm pretty sure I watched it on

Hulu and then the recommended title

703

: 00:20:55

for me that was just queued up, you

know, was the, was the original.

704

: 00:20:59

And so I was like, I honestly don't think

I had watched it all the way through, like

705

: 00:21:05

in one sitting, I, I know I'd seen pieces

of it, so I watched them back to back.

706

: 00:21:09

So a lot of my thoughts are

comparisons or contrasting the two.

707

: 00:21:14

But you guys, this did come

th,: 1994

708

: 00:21:18

And Ryan, to your point, what

else came out November 18th that

709

: 00:21:23

you and I covered, but in 1983,

710

: 00:21:27

you just mentioned it.

711

: 00:21:29

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, sorry.

712

: 00:21:31

Savage Islands also known as,

what was Nate or something?

713

: 00:21:34

Nate and.

714

: 00:21:34

Katie: Naden Hayes is what it was released

in the US under AKA Savage Islands in

715

: 00:21:40

Ryan Rebalkin: love that

716

: 00:21:40

Katie: Yeah,

717

: 00:21:42

Ryan Rebalkin: Guys, if you haven't seen

Savage Island slash Nate Hayes or listen

718

: 00:21:45

to our episode, go check out that movie.

719

: 00:21:47

You might have to, I don't

know, to some ping site.

720

: 00:21:51

The, I don't know where you, I think

that's where I watched It was a ping site.

721

: 00:21:53

I don't think it's a, I don't know,

where did you, how did you watch it

722

: 00:21:55

Katie: I know.

723

: 00:21:55

I was just thinking, I can't recall.

724

: 00:21:58

A lot of times if I can't find them,

I, and I have enough time, I'll request

725

: 00:22:03

it from my library, so it's possible.

726

: 00:22:04

That's what I did.

727

: 00:22:05

Ryan Rebalkin: great library option.

728

: 00:22:06

I don't really have that where I

am, but that's cool that you can do

729

: 00:22:09

Katie: Mm-hmm.

730

: 00:22:10

Ryan Rebalkin: Sabotage

731

: 00:22:11

Katie: Yeah.

732

: 00:22:11

Ryan Rebalkin: Hughes.

733

: 00:22:12

Katie: Yeah.

734

: 00:22:12

So these are vastly

different movies, you guys.

735

: 00:22:15

Ryan Rebalkin: yes.

736

: 00:22:16

Katie: but, but also pg I think

we were surprised that Savage

737

: 00:22:19

Island's, AK and Nate and Hayes

was rated pg, but both, both pg.

738

: 00:22:22

Yeah.

739

: 00:22:23

Ryan Rebalkin: 83.

740

: 00:22:23

The 83 PG is like, yeah.

741

: 00:22:25

Yeah.

742

: 00:22:25

Katie: Now regarding its release date,

November 18th was its wide release.

743

: 00:22:29

I do wanna note that it had a premiere

on the 15th in 94 at Radio City

744

: 00:22:35

Music Hall in New York with a 30

minute stage show with the Rockettes

745

: 00:22:40

and a performance by Kenny G.

746

: 00:22:41

Mm-hmm.

747

: 00:22:44

Yes.

748

: 00:22:44

It was like a really big deal.

749

: 00:22:46

Uh,

750

: 00:22:46

Ryan Rebalkin: Saxophone

player in the world.

751

: 00:22:48

Katie: is he,

752

: 00:22:49

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, you

know what his net worth

753

: 00:22:50

is I'll quickly look it.

754

: 00:22:51

It's insane.

755

: 00:22:52

Katie: it's wild.

756

: 00:22:53

Ryan Rebalkin: it, it is

757

: 00:22:54

insane.

758

: 00:22:55

It'll be, maybe you won't be surprised

because I've oversold a little bit, but

759

: 00:22:58

yeah, he is worth a hundred million.

760

: 00:22:59

I mean, that's not bad

for playing the saxophone.

761

: 00:23:02

Katie: I mean, there's not

that many famous sax players.

762

: 00:23:05

But yeah.

763

: 00:23:05

You know, that jazz, that

typical, you know, Kenny G's,

764

: 00:23:08

Ryan Rebalkin: 69 now.

765

: 00:23:09

Katie: everybody's old.

766

: 00:23:10

I'm telling you,

767

: 00:23:12

Ryan.

768

: 00:23:12

Ryan Rebalkin: I know.

769

: 00:23:13

So

770

: 00:23:14

what his last name is, I

didn't know this till now.

771

: 00:23:16

Katie: No.

772

: 00:23:17

Ryan Rebalkin: so I can see

773

: 00:23:18

why they might have

just called him Kenny G.

774

: 00:23:19

Katie: And that's why someone, if I

got famous, I would go as Katie G.

775

: 00:23:25

No, I'm just kidding.

776

: 00:23:25

Ryan Rebalkin: Kenny G.

777

: 00:23:26

All

778

: 00:23:26

Katie: I'm just kidding.

779

: 00:23:27

The director here, I don't know if

you're familiar with Les Mayfield.

780

: 00:23:32

Ryan Rebalkin: I looked him up just to,

I think it's a him because I, Les could

781

: 00:23:35

be a female name, to be honest with you,

782

: 00:23:36

Katie: It's, a man, and we've

covered him already on the show.

783

: 00:23:40

Ryan Rebalkin: That's what I was like.

784

: 00:23:42

funny how these directors will,

785

: 00:23:44

Katie: Mm-hmm.

786

: 00:23:45

Ryan Rebalkin: movie or whatever it is.

787

: 00:23:46

You're like,

788

: 00:23:46

what?

789

: 00:23:47

Like they're, I hate to say they're

nobody directors, I don't mean in

790

: 00:23:49

that, in a, in a disparaging way,

but, but he's like, well, what

791

: 00:23:52

else have they done in Hollywood?

792

: 00:23:54

Like, how did they get this gig?

793

: 00:23:55

So, yeah, they, he directed flubber.

794

: 00:23:58

Katie: Yeah.

795

: 00:23:58

That's why, that's how we, so you

guys, again, he directed Flubber also,

796

: 00:24:02

John Hughes written or co-written.

797

: 00:24:05

He got his debut though

with Encino Man in 92.

798

: 00:24:09

Ryan Rebalkin: which is again,

799

: 00:24:10

Katie: I love that movie.

800

: 00:24:11

Ryan Rebalkin: that wasn't like a

801

: 00:24:12

small movie.

802

: 00:24:12

back in the nineties.

803

: 00:24:13

Like it, I think it did fairly well.

804

: 00:24:15

Like it was made, I was looking, now

it's made for 7 million, made 41 million.

805

: 00:24:18

So it did well for the, the studio,

it had Sean, Brenda Frazier, Paul

806

: 00:24:21

Shore, kind of a, you know, the

silly comedy of the nineties.

807

: 00:24:24

So how did he get the gig?

808

: 00:24:25

That's what I always wonder,

you know what I mean?

809

: 00:24:27

Hey, we're directing this movie

with a, with some fun actors

810

: 00:24:31

and , okay Les, you got the job,

811

: 00:24:34

Katie: This, they know somebody

who knows somebody or, you know,

812

: 00:24:36

they've come across, they've

worked with so and so in the past.

813

: 00:24:38

You know, you, you work with people

that you like and would like to

814

: 00:24:41

work again with in the future.

815

: 00:24:42

And,

816

: 00:24:43

and, you know.

817

: 00:24:43

Ryan Rebalkin: then it's like, then

this next film, two years later of

818

: 00:24:46

Release is Miracle on 34th Street, which

looks and acts, it is a proper film.

819

: 00:24:52

Katie: Are you saying Encino

man is not a proper film?

820

: 00:24:55

Ryan Rebalkin: by that?

821

: 00:24:55

It's like, it's like

it's a nineties comedy

822

: 00:24:57

Katie: Yeah.

823

: 00:24:58

Ryan Rebalkin: It's a silly film.

824

: 00:24:59

Katie: Mm-hmm.

825

: 00:24:59

Ryan Rebalkin: you don't,

you don't have to really put

826

: 00:25:02

who cares about whatever.

827

: 00:25:03

It's just weird to me.

828

: 00:25:04

And then he, then he did

blue Streak with Martin

829

: 00:25:06

Katie: Mm-hmm.

830

: 00:25:07

Ryan Rebalkin: I didn't see.

831

: 00:25:07

Then American Outlaws, which is

kind of a fun, I love Western.

832

: 00:25:10

So he did that one.

833

: 00:25:12

the man was Samuel Jackson, Eugene

Levy, which is kind of whatever.

834

: 00:25:15

And then another one with Cedric

the entertainer called The Cleaner.

835

: 00:25:19

And that's it.

836

: 00:25:20

What, but what a weird seven film streak.

837

: 00:25:23

It's like, yeah, I'm done.

838

: 00:25:24

Katie: Sometimes those people, maybe

he went on to, I didn't look up,

839

: 00:25:27

but maybe he's more of a producer

and he didn't, you know what I mean?

840

: 00:25:30

Things like that.

841

: 00:25:31

Ryan Rebalkin: Wikipedia sparse.

842

: 00:25:32

It just, that's his last film.

843

: 00:25:33

But doesn't say why he stopped directing.

844

: 00:25:35

Doesn't say how he started directing.

845

: 00:25:36

Yeah, it's weird.

846

: 00:25:39

Katie: Well, there is a through line.

847

: 00:25:41

All his movies are comedies,

848

: 00:25:43

you know.

849

: 00:25:44

Ryan Rebalkin: for American

Outlaws is sort of,

850

: 00:25:46

Katie: Oh, okay,

851

: 00:25:47

Ryan Rebalkin: light,

852

: 00:25:47

Katie: okay,

853

: 00:25:47

Ryan Rebalkin: fair Western, per

se, but it is a, it's just a,

854

: 00:25:50

it's a western action film, so

855

: 00:25:52

Katie: okay.

856

: 00:25:53

Ryan Rebalkin: comedy beats.

857

: 00:25:54

That's Colin Faroh and it, I, love Colin

858

: 00:25:58

Katie: I don't think I've seen that.

859

: 00:25:59

But yeah,

860

: 00:26:00

Ryan Rebalkin: while.

861

: 00:26:00

24 years already.

862

: 00:26:01

24 years ago.

863

: 00:26:02

What is going on with time

864

: 00:26:03

Katie: I don't know.

865

: 00:26:04

I, I don't know.

866

: 00:26:05

It's a, it's one and the same.

867

: 00:26:07

It's both.

868

: 00:26:07

It goes by so fast, but then like at

work, the days don't go by slow at work.

869

: 00:26:12

It's just like the weeks due.

870

: 00:26:14

I like, I live for the weekend and

there's not enough weekend, you know?

871

: 00:26:19

Ryan Rebalkin: It's terrible.

872

: 00:26:19

We, we literally, as the

song says, we're everybody's

873

: 00:26:22

working for the weekend, Katie.

874

: 00:26:23

Katie: It's true.

875

: 00:26:24

It is.

876

: 00:26:26

I don't know if you guys knew, I don't

think I did until I started the season.

877

: 00:26:30

A lot of movies that John Hughes

wrote or co-wrote, and this

878

: 00:26:33

is one of them, I had no idea.

879

: 00:26:35

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

880

: 00:26:36

Katie: So he is credited

with the screenplay?

881

: 00:26:39

Yes.

882

: 00:26:39

Yeah.

883

: 00:26:39

And a lot, a lot of times when

he writes, he also produces yeah.

884

: 00:26:42

That and directs.

885

: 00:26:44

But yes, this is a huge film.

886

: 00:26:45

Ryan Rebalkin: When he's

the producer, I know he is

887

: 00:26:47

not directing, I would assume with a

guy like Les, it's like, it's almost

888

: 00:26:51

like the producer, as you know, has

the ability to fire the director.

889

: 00:26:54

The director can't fire the

890

: 00:26:56

Katie: mm.

891

: 00:26:56

Ryan Rebalkin: the power,

that's the power of the

892

: 00:26:57

producer.

893

: 00:26:58

director can't fire the producer.

894

: 00:27:00

The producer is the money is the boss.

895

: 00:27:02

It can I always suspect that John

Hughes, though he wasn't behind the

896

: 00:27:05

camera, I, I felt like he could have

been a ghost director in this film,

897

: 00:27:10

Katie: It's possible.

898

: 00:27:12

That maybe Hughes.

899

: 00:27:13

Ryan Rebalkin: work very well enough to

900

: 00:27:14

say

901

: 00:27:15

Katie: Yeah.

902

: 00:27:15

Ryan Rebalkin: lens.

903

: 00:27:16

This was his,

904

: 00:27:17

Katie: and it sometimes it's

really hard to tell, like we, I

905

: 00:27:20

talked about in the Flubber episode

two, spoiler, I hated that movie.

906

: 00:27:23

And I was like, what is happening here?

907

: 00:27:25

And,

908

: 00:27:25

Ryan Rebalkin: you hate Flopper?

909

: 00:27:27

Come on.

910

: 00:27:27

It's the

911

: 00:27:27

Katie: I, I think some of it is hard

to tell, like you don't really see.

912

: 00:27:32

The usual, fingerprints of either director

or writer because it's a remake, you know?

913

: 00:27:37

'cause there's, you have to kind of

stick loosely, at least to the original.

914

: 00:27:41

But, so, Hughes is credited, co

co-writing this the story credit

915

: 00:27:45

reflecting the original concept for

the 19 47, , film is Valentin Davies

916

: 00:27:51

and George Seton received a shared

screenplay credit, recognized that the

917

: 00:27:56

94 script was based on the story and

original screenplay by Davies and Seton.

918

: 00:28:01

So we have three players here writing,

and just as a quick recap, this is

919

: 00:28:08

a 6-year-old Susan Walker discovers

that dreams do come true if you really

920

: 00:28:13

believe she has doubts about childhood's.

921

: 00:28:15

Most enduring Miracle Santa

Claus, her mother Dory, in the

922

: 00:28:19

original, her name is Doris.

923

: 00:28:20

But in this movie, her name

is modernized somehow to Dory.

924

: 00:28:24

She told her the secret about him

a long time ago, so she doesn't

925

: 00:28:27

expect to receive the most important

gifts on her Christmas list.

926

: 00:28:31

But after meeting a special department

store, Santa who's convinced that he's the

927

: 00:28:35

real thing, she's given the most precious

gift of all something to believe in.

928

: 00:28:41

Ah.

929

: 00:28:41

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh,

930

: 00:28:44

Katie: All right.

931

: 00:28:44

Ryan, are you familiar

with Richard Attenborough?

932

: 00:28:47

He plays our Chris

933

: 00:28:48

Cringle.

934

: 00:28:50

Ryan Rebalkin: well, yeah, I

mean, of course he was, like I

935

: 00:28:52

said, he was John Hammond Insa

Park, which was for Teenage Ryan.

936

: 00:28:56

I was 18 at that time.

937

: 00:28:57

That was probably my first real

to him as a actor or whatever,

938

: 00:29:03

Katie: Mm-hmm.

939

: 00:29:04

Ryan Rebalkin: one of

the biggest movies of

940

: 00:29:05

Hollywood at the time.

941

: 00:29:07

Don't really know him as an actress

since or before, don't know his career.

942

: 00:29:11

So when he was in this film,

I had to Google him again.

943

: 00:29:14

I was like, oh, that's him.

944

: 00:29:15

I didn't even recognize him as the

dinosaur zoo guy walking with a cane.

945

: 00:29:20

so, and I had, if I'd, I knew the

name, like it's one of those names.

946

: 00:29:25

watched movies a long time, and so you

just see and hear names, especially

947

: 00:29:28

with directors I had forgotten he was a

director and he's directed some really

948

: 00:29:33

big films and films that I enjoy.

949

: 00:29:36

Like IE one of my favorite

950

: 00:29:37

films is Chaplain with Robert John Jr.

951

: 00:29:39

I saw that film in the theaters

when, when I was 17, actually watched

952

: 00:29:42

Chaplin, the biopic on Charlie

Chaplin, played by Robert Donald Jr.

953

: 00:29:45

In the theaters.

954

: 00:29:46

Katie: Oh, okay.

955

: 00:29:47

Yeah, he is a, he maybe, but

nothing is ringing a bell.

956

: 00:29:52

But he's, he won an Oscar

for a directing role, a very

957

: 00:29:54

famous movie, Gandhi, from 82.

958

: 00:29:58

Ryan Rebalkin: Cry,

freedom Bridge too far.

959

: 00:30:01

These are big, so I don't

really know his story.

960

: 00:30:04

This is weird that he's in

movies and he's directed again.

961

: 00:30:07

How did he get these big films?

962

: 00:30:09

Like how did he get the

963

: 00:30:10

Katie: Well, he is also known

for, you know, when he was a

964

: 00:30:13

younger man in the 1963 movie,

the Great Escape and he mm-hmm.

965

: 00:30:20

Ryan Rebalkin: that

966

: 00:30:20

Katie: He does a lot of directing.

967

: 00:30:21

I mean, he won an Oscar for GI

mean, Gandhi was a huge movie.

968

: 00:30:24

I will say, if the name Attenborough

sounds familiar, and some of you might

969

: 00:30:28

be wondering, is he related to David?

970

: 00:30:29

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

971

: 00:30:30

Katie: He is.

972

: 00:30:31

Ryan Rebalkin: the confusion.

973

: 00:30:32

That's

974

: 00:30:32

what I think my brain went to is

975

: 00:30:33

Katie: Mm-hmm.

976

: 00:30:33

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, the last name?

977

: 00:30:35

Yeah.

978

: 00:30:35

Katie: And so he is the older brother of

David Attenborough, who is the only person

979

: 00:30:41

did you know, who has been knighted twice,

980

: 00:30:46

Ryan Rebalkin: I did twice.

981

: 00:30:47

Katie: twice for his work in conservation.

982

: 00:30:50

David Attenborough.

983

: 00:30:52

Yeah.

984

: 00:30:52

Everyone loves him.

985

: 00:30:53

Ryan Rebalkin: talented family, eh?

986

: 00:30:54

Katie: Yeah.

987

: 00:30:56

Yeah.

988

: 00:30:56

I think they both went to what's

like the famous like Ivy League.

989

: 00:31:01

English College Cambridge.

990

: 00:31:03

Is that the one I'm thinking of?

991

: 00:31:05

Yeah.

992

: 00:31:05

Ryan Rebalkin: Sounds right.

993

: 00:31:06

Katie: Now the original Chris

k Cringle, the one in: 1947

994

: 00:31:12

Ryan Rebalkin: Mm-hmm.

995

: 00:31:12

Katie: by Edmund Gwen who received

an Oscar for his role in that,

996

: 00:31:18

which I didn't know.

997

: 00:31:19

Yeah.

998

: 00:31:19

So the original guy now there's a

famous person that I think you like

999

: 00:31:23

that was considered for this role

and it would've been very different.

: 1000

00:31:27,444 --> 00:31:28,914

I don't know if you're

gonna get any guesses.

: 1001

00:31:29,154 --> 00:31:31,524

An old, older man,

: 1002

00:31:32,214 --> 00:31:33,174

how did you know?

: 1003

00:31:33,354 --> 00:31:33,894

Did you see

: 1004

00:31:33,939 --> 00:31:34,329

Ryan Rebalkin: reading that.

: 1005

00:31:34,329 --> 00:31:34,629

I did

: 1006

00:31:34,704 --> 00:31:35,154

Katie: Okay.

: 1007

00:31:35,259 --> 00:31:36,639

Ryan Rebalkin: that, and I, you know, it's

: 1008

00:31:36,639 --> 00:31:36,969

funny.

: 1009

00:31:36,999 --> 00:31:37,329

Okay.

: 1010

00:31:37,389 --> 00:31:38,709

so let me talk about that.

: 1011

00:31:38,709 --> 00:31:40,419

So, yes, I, I love Sean Connery.

: 1012

00:31:40,419 --> 00:31:41,469

I grew up with him as well.

: 1013

00:31:41,469 --> 00:31:43,749

James Bond, of course, other

great films that he is been in.

: 1014

00:31:43,929 --> 00:31:44,679

Great actor.

: 1015

00:31:45,159 --> 00:31:46,719

I'm kind of glad they didn't.

: 1016

00:31:46,779 --> 00:31:50,169

I, I will say that as much as

I love Sean Connery, I would've

: 1017

00:31:50,169 --> 00:31:51,429

just been watching Sean Connery.

: 1018

00:31:51,429 --> 00:31:56,559

I think Richard has the ability to just,

like I said, I'm like, who's this guy?

: 1019

00:31:56,589 --> 00:31:57,759

I think I know who he is.

: 1020

00:31:58,059 --> 00:32:05,109

So he was able to embrace and or get into

the Santa role me being distracted by him.

: 1021

00:32:05,159 --> 00:32:06,149

I would've been watching Sean

: 1022

00:32:06,449 --> 00:32:07,259

Katie: Sean Connery.

: 1023

00:32:07,259 --> 00:32:08,189

Yeah, you're right.

: 1024

00:32:08,189 --> 00:32:09,389

I, I fully agree,

: 1025

00:32:09,479 --> 00:32:10,349

Ryan Rebalkin: job as an actor.

: 1026

00:32:10,349 --> 00:32:13,559

He, he can act very well, but dot, dot

dot, Sean Connery played that's the

: 1027

00:32:13,589 --> 00:32:13,889

Katie: right?

: 1028

00:32:14,129 --> 00:32:14,459

Ryan Rebalkin: Is Sean

: 1029

00:32:14,564 --> 00:32:14,984

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1030

00:32:15,069 --> 00:32:16,529

Mm-hmm.

: 1031

00:32:16,769 --> 00:32:17,489

Ryan Rebalkin: So I thought

: 1032

00:32:17,489 --> 00:32:17,819

Richard.

: 1033

00:32:18,269 --> 00:32:20,459

Oh, well, I don't want to talk too much

about it right now if you're not there

: 1034

00:32:20,459 --> 00:32:25,619

yet, but yeah, I, I'm glad it wasn't

Sean, just because it might've distracted

: 1035

00:32:25,619 --> 00:32:28,499

from the movie, but it would've added

more to the box office, I'm sure.

: 1036

00:32:28,499 --> 00:32:29,009

But yeah.

: 1037

00:32:29,699 --> 00:32:32,339

Katie: well, yeah, so speaking of

that, so the budget here was 28 million

: 1038

00:32:32,339 --> 00:32:34,729

and the worldwide gross was 46.3

: 1039

00:32:34,729 --> 00:32:35,629

million.

: 1040

00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,429

It made money just not

a big booming success.

: 1041

00:32:39,789 --> 00:32:42,399

There was a really crowded 94

: 1042

00:32:42,474 --> 00:32:42,804

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1043

00:32:42,879 --> 00:32:43,299

Katie: movie slate.

: 1044

00:32:43,494 --> 00:32:46,014

Ryan Rebalkin: movie that with this?

: 1045

00:32:46,014 --> 00:32:46,884

That might have been a Christmas

: 1046

00:32:47,064 --> 00:32:48,324

Katie: The Santa Claus.

: 1047

00:32:48,414 --> 00:32:48,954

Yeah.

: 1048

00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:49,429

Mm-hmm.

: 1049

00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:49,519

Mm-hmm.

: 1050

00:32:49,944 --> 00:32:51,264

Ryan Rebalkin: That movie was huge.

: 1051

00:32:51,384 --> 00:32:52,854

Katie: So they came out at the same time.

: 1052

00:32:53,094 --> 00:32:55,794

Ryan Rebalkin: And families, you

know, budget, Christmas time, it's

: 1053

00:32:55,794 --> 00:32:57,984

kind of like, Hey, we're gonna

take the kids to a Christmas film.

: 1054

00:32:57,984 --> 00:33:00,354

I would've had, I had a

young family at that time.

: 1055

00:33:00,504 --> 00:33:04,554

I was 19, so I, I didn't have

a, I was actually a few years

: 1056

00:33:04,554 --> 00:33:05,484

away from him, my first kid.

: 1057

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Mind you.

: 1058

00:33:05,844 --> 00:33:09,444

But the point is yeah, if I was on

a budget, I'd be like, well, we can

: 1059

00:33:09,444 --> 00:33:10,764

take the kids to one Christmas film.

: 1060

00:33:10,824 --> 00:33:12,054

You're gonna pick the Santa Claus.

: 1061

00:33:12,384 --> 00:33:14,694

It's just, you just kind of know it's

gonna be a more fun film for the kids.

: 1062

00:33:14,694 --> 00:33:14,934

Maybe

: 1063

00:33:15,204 --> 00:33:15,714

Katie: Yeah.

: 1064

00:33:15,714 --> 00:33:19,774

Which kind of bums me out because I

would argue this is a much better movie

: 1065

00:33:19,774 --> 00:33:21,724

it's really Christmasy, like old time.

: 1066

00:33:21,814 --> 00:33:22,684

I kind of like that stuff.

: 1067

00:33:22,984 --> 00:33:27,021

Whereas the Santa Claus is just

like goofier, like kids have a small

: 1068

00:33:27,021 --> 00:33:31,311

attention span, which kind of bums

me out be that they can't appreciate.

: 1069

00:33:31,626 --> 00:33:34,296

Ryan Rebalkin: I got a good you are right.

: 1070

00:33:34,356 --> 00:33:34,836

Don't get me wrong.

: 1071

00:33:34,836 --> 00:33:35,136

You're right.

: 1072

00:33:35,136 --> 00:33:36,006

Every kid's different.

: 1073

00:33:36,006 --> 00:33:37,296

Every, everyone's different now.

: 1074

00:33:37,296 --> 00:33:38,886

I have 11-year-old twins, as you know.

: 1075

00:33:39,366 --> 00:33:41,916

And so I'm, I watched

this movie last night.

: 1076

00:33:41,916 --> 00:33:43,626

I said, Hey, kids, we're

gonna watch a Christmas movie.

: 1077

00:33:44,266 --> 00:33:45,676

I've gotta do this for the podcast.

: 1078

00:33:45,686 --> 00:33:47,756

But let's just watch it together

anyways, it's Christmas time,

: 1079

00:33:47,756 --> 00:33:48,596

let's watch this together.

: 1080

00:33:49,916 --> 00:33:53,616

And my 11-year-old daughter

was out with my wife shopping,

: 1081

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so they weren't there for her.

: 1082

00:33:54,426 --> 00:33:55,986

So my two other sons were there.

: 1083

00:33:55,986 --> 00:33:58,956

My 13-year-old, soon to be

14, and then my 11-year-old.

: 1084

00:33:59,646 --> 00:34:03,126

And the 11-year-old is

an avid movie watcher.

: 1085

00:34:03,156 --> 00:34:04,566

Like he's a smart

: 1086

00:34:04,746 --> 00:34:05,946

Katie: I love that.

: 1087

00:34:06,066 --> 00:34:06,516

I love that.

: 1088

00:34:06,786 --> 00:34:08,166

Ryan Rebalkin: The Mission Impossibles.

: 1089

00:34:08,166 --> 00:34:11,286

We're watching The Thin Red Line right now

we're watching that in piecemeal mind you.

: 1090

00:34:11,286 --> 00:34:12,156

'cause it is a lot.

: 1091

00:34:12,156 --> 00:34:13,536

But they're watching the Thin Red Line.

: 1092

00:34:13,956 --> 00:34:16,656

So they, they love like deep heavy dramas.

: 1093

00:34:16,656 --> 00:34:20,936

Like they've watched like The

Green Mile, they love dramas and.

: 1094

00:34:21,755 --> 00:34:22,326

That kind of stuff.

: 1095

00:34:22,326 --> 00:34:24,815

So I just wanna make that clear

that they're not just Marvel kids.

: 1096

00:34:24,815 --> 00:34:25,536

They actually like

: 1097

00:34:26,286 --> 00:34:27,606

Katie: Which sets your kids apart.

: 1098

00:34:27,606 --> 00:34:29,976

I think you, your kids

are probably the anomaly.

: 1099

00:34:30,545 --> 00:34:32,315

Ryan Rebalkin: They might be, but

I'm getting somewhere with this.

: 1100

00:34:32,436 --> 00:34:32,676

Katie: Okay.

: 1101

00:34:32,766 --> 00:34:34,266

Ryan Rebalkin: same kid who loves these

: 1102

00:34:34,266 --> 00:34:37,926

types of films that are dialogue,

heavy story-driven films, right?

: 1103

00:34:38,466 --> 00:34:41,346

Half hour into this film, my

11-year-old goes, I dad, I

: 1104

00:34:41,346 --> 00:34:43,176

can't, done, I'm tapping out.

: 1105

00:34:43,536 --> 00:34:44,106

He was bored.

: 1106

00:34:44,886 --> 00:34:46,686

So he tapped out.

: 1107

00:34:46,686 --> 00:34:49,116

Now my 14-year-old around.

: 1108

00:34:49,896 --> 00:34:52,926

I think he stuck around, I don't know,

just to hang out with dad, I'm not sure.

: 1109

00:34:52,926 --> 00:34:57,936

But he watched the whole thing and

objectively I could see why my 11-year-old

: 1110

00:34:57,936 --> 00:35:00,786

tapped out and I could see why the

same 11-year-old as much as he likes

: 1111

00:35:00,786 --> 00:35:04,086

these very intelligent films, would

not have done that for the Santa Claus.

: 1112

00:35:04,086 --> 00:35:08,616

So that's, that's my long way of

saying I get why the Santa Claus

: 1113

00:35:08,616 --> 00:35:12,606

was a box off of success with

families, but as an A This is, this

: 1114

00:35:12,606 --> 00:35:14,916

is that's what I'm trying to get at.

: 1115

00:35:14,916 --> 00:35:16,386

I don't know if this is a kid's movie.

: 1116

00:35:16,986 --> 00:35:18,456

This is an adult Christmas film.

: 1117

00:35:18,456 --> 00:35:19,866

What are your thoughts on that take?

: 1118

00:35:20,481 --> 00:35:22,126

Katie: It's interesting what constitutes.

: 1119

00:35:23,151 --> 00:35:25,371

Christmas movie versus

Kids' Christmas movie.

: 1120

00:35:25,611 --> 00:35:30,591

I think back in the day, there wasn't

distinction like the: 1947

: 1121

00:35:30,591 --> 00:35:36,321

I'm very curious, I don't wanna give too

much away, but I'm curious what your kids

: 1122

00:35:36,321 --> 00:35:38,721

would've thought of the original even.

: 1123

00:35:39,006 --> 00:35:40,266

Ryan Rebalkin: liked it even maybe more.

: 1124

00:35:40,296 --> 00:35:43,566

'cause I, I think anything to do with

Santa, I think the Santa roll parts were

: 1125

00:35:43,766 --> 00:35:44,186

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1126

00:35:44,196 --> 00:35:45,906

Ryan Rebalkin: I think

he enjoyed seeing Santa.

: 1127

00:35:45,906 --> 00:35:48,746

And, but I think when it get got to

the because he never saw the court

: 1128

00:35:48,746 --> 00:35:50,036

scene, so he never made it to the end,

: 1129

00:35:50,156 --> 00:35:50,376

Katie: Mm,

: 1130

00:35:50,576 --> 00:35:51,866

Ryan Rebalkin: is kind

of fun and engaging.

: 1131

00:35:51,866 --> 00:35:52,136

But

: 1132

00:35:52,496 --> 00:35:53,606

the idea that

: 1133

00:35:53,936 --> 00:35:56,906

there were some parts I will admit

where I'm like, I'm watching this

: 1134

00:35:56,906 --> 00:35:59,336

through my kids' eyes thinking,

oh, I get why he tapped out.

: 1135

00:35:59,386 --> 00:36:03,166

I'm fine watching this story, but

I can kind of see like he gets lost

: 1136

00:36:03,196 --> 00:36:04,906

what the business side of things.

: 1137

00:36:04,981 --> 00:36:05,551

Katie: Sure.

: 1138

00:36:06,286 --> 00:36:06,916

Ryan Rebalkin: like why are

: 1139

00:36:06,916 --> 00:36:09,921

we worried about one store

getting more than another store?

: 1140

00:36:10,056 --> 00:36:12,246

But I haven't seen the original in

such a long time, but I suspect.

: 1141

00:36:12,576 --> 00:36:14,736

The original one that I think

it's a half hour shorter.

: 1142

00:36:16,086 --> 00:36:16,896

The first movie is

: 1143

00:36:16,951 --> 00:36:17,516

Katie: Let's see.

: 1144

00:36:17,521 --> 00:36:17,996

This was.

: 1145

00:36:18,161 --> 00:36:19,511

Ryan Rebalkin: was just shy of two

: 1146

00:36:19,691 --> 00:36:21,221

Katie: Just shy of two hours.

: 1147

00:36:21,221 --> 00:36:25,561

I have it up actually, the

original was 20 minutes shorter.

: 1148

00:36:25,771 --> 00:36:27,271

Ryan Rebalkin: which can be a long time.

: 1149

00:36:27,271 --> 00:36:29,791

That's a lot of like subplot and who

: 1150

00:36:29,941 --> 00:36:31,891

Katie: Well, there, we'll get

into some of the differences too.

: 1151

00:36:31,891 --> 00:36:37,591

There was much more, they leaned a lot

more into the romantic comedy part in

: 1152

00:36:37,591 --> 00:36:45,751

this remake, the 94, romance or just

like the, I mean, yeah, it's a comedy.

: 1153

00:36:45,851 --> 00:36:46,751

Ryan Rebalkin: This is weird, Kate.

: 1154

00:36:46,841 --> 00:36:47,201

Do we see

: 1155

00:36:47,261 --> 00:36:47,501

Katie: okay.

: 1156

00:36:47,501 --> 00:36:48,881

It is a drama, I guess.

: 1157

00:36:49,391 --> 00:36:50,591

Ryan Rebalkin: It's not funny

: 1158

00:36:51,551 --> 00:36:53,411

Katie: Well, it's just, not heavy.

: 1159

00:36:53,831 --> 00:36:55,181

I, I take it back.

: 1160

00:36:55,181 --> 00:36:58,571

It's not necessarily a comedy,

so the romance, not the romantic

: 1161

00:36:58,601 --> 00:37:00,491

comedy piece, but the romance

: 1162

00:37:00,911 --> 00:37:02,351

part of it, I guess.

: 1163

00:37:02,426 --> 00:37:03,386

Ryan Rebalkin: the romance is in heaven.

: 1164

00:37:03,386 --> 00:37:04,016

It's okay.

: 1165

00:37:04,016 --> 00:37:05,036

This is where it's, Hmm.

: 1166

00:37:05,096 --> 00:37:09,836

This is my, maybe my criticism is, I

don't know what lane it's really in.

: 1167

00:37:09,836 --> 00:37:10,946

And it's not bad or good.

: 1168

00:37:10,946 --> 00:37:16,646

It's, for example Elizabeth Perkins

great, by the way, she's 34 in this film.

: 1169

00:37:16,646 --> 00:37:19,016

I always look up the Actress's age

'cause I feel like she's been in films

: 1170

00:37:19,161 --> 00:37:19,661

Katie: You do.

: 1171

00:37:19,736 --> 00:37:20,996

Ryan Rebalkin: 34 in this film.

: 1172

00:37:21,686 --> 00:37:23,546

And Dylan McDermott great actor.

: 1173

00:37:24,146 --> 00:37:27,356

And side note, he plays a lawyer in

this film, which he ends up playing

: 1174

00:37:27,356 --> 00:37:29,036

on the practice a couple years later.

: 1175

00:37:29,216 --> 00:37:31,856

So when I'm watching him play the

court scene in this holy smokes,

: 1176

00:37:31,856 --> 00:37:33,266

this guy was born to be a lawyer.

: 1177

00:37:33,326 --> 00:37:35,306

Katie: He really, he has that look too.

: 1178

00:37:35,726 --> 00:37:36,386

So yes.

: 1179

00:37:36,596 --> 00:37:37,316

Ryan Rebalkin: How handsome is

: 1180

00:37:37,316 --> 00:37:37,976

Katie: Well, you know,

: 1181

00:37:37,976 --> 00:37:38,246

Ryan Rebalkin: was he

: 1182

00:37:38,246 --> 00:37:38,636

Katie: I,

: 1183

00:37:38,696 --> 00:37:38,936

Ryan Rebalkin: you?

: 1184

00:37:39,086 --> 00:37:42,946

Katie: no, but it's weird 'cause I

like dark hair with colored eyes.

: 1185

00:37:43,366 --> 00:37:46,366

He is, most people, I

mean, he is handsome.

: 1186

00:37:46,366 --> 00:37:47,296

He's uh,

: 1187

00:37:47,686 --> 00:37:48,376

Ryan Rebalkin: speaking, yes.

: 1188

00:37:48,466 --> 00:37:49,366

Katie: objectively.

: 1189

00:37:49,881 --> 00:37:51,376

I, I just don't really,

: 1190

00:37:51,796 --> 00:37:52,876

it's, he's not for me.

: 1191

00:37:53,311 --> 00:37:56,491

Even though I recognize

that he is a handsome man.

: 1192

00:37:56,491 --> 00:37:59,011

He is supposed to be, and

he's real young in this.

: 1193

00:37:59,011 --> 00:37:59,971

He and Elizabeth.

: 1194

00:37:59,971 --> 00:38:00,361

So,

: 1195

00:38:00,661 --> 00:38:01,231

so they're,

: 1196

00:38:01,636 --> 00:38:01,936

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1197

00:38:02,056 --> 00:38:02,506

they're,

: 1198

00:38:02,506 --> 00:38:03,586

actually both age appropriate.

: 1199

00:38:03,586 --> 00:38:04,036

They're, in

: 1200

00:38:04,171 --> 00:38:04,471

Katie: mm-hmm.

: 1201

00:38:04,636 --> 00:38:06,166

Ryan Rebalkin: a year

younger than her, by the way,

: 1202

00:38:06,241 --> 00:38:06,811

Katie: Okay.

: 1203

00:38:07,031 --> 00:38:07,251

Ryan Rebalkin: and,

: 1204

00:38:07,381 --> 00:38:12,491

Katie: Elizabeth plays Dory and she

is Doris, Maureen O'Hara's character

: 1205

00:38:12,521 --> 00:38:16,891

in the original this high powered

executive at the department store.

: 1206

00:38:16,891 --> 00:38:17,341

She's

: 1207

00:38:17,671 --> 00:38:18,871

in charge of the parade.

: 1208

00:38:19,461 --> 00:38:19,751

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1209

00:38:19,906 --> 00:38:20,176

What

: 1210

00:38:20,221 --> 00:38:22,771

Katie: mm-hmm.

: 1211

00:38:23,296 --> 00:38:23,446

Ryan Rebalkin: I

: 1212

00:38:23,446 --> 00:38:26,596

was almost like, are they divorced

with stranded, his custody of a kid?

: 1213

00:38:26,596 --> 00:38:28,606

I thought that was what,

what it was at first no,

: 1214

00:38:29,131 --> 00:38:29,251

Katie: Oh

: 1215

00:38:29,386 --> 00:38:29,626

Ryan Rebalkin: she,

: 1216

00:38:29,881 --> 00:38:30,181

Katie: no.

: 1217

00:38:30,181 --> 00:38:31,441

They've just been dating.

: 1218

00:38:32,131 --> 00:38:33,241

Ryan Rebalkin: Have they been dating?

: 1219

00:38:33,241 --> 00:38:33,811

I'm so

: 1220

00:38:34,081 --> 00:38:34,291

Katie: So

: 1221

00:38:34,531 --> 00:38:35,671

Ryan Rebalkin: It was such a weird,

: 1222

00:38:36,061 --> 00:38:36,691

Katie: in,

: 1223

00:38:36,781 --> 00:38:37,951

Ryan Rebalkin: like it

didn't seem like they were

: 1224

00:38:37,951 --> 00:38:41,071

like even, 'cause he was like, I, I

was confused about their relationship.

: 1225

00:38:41,731 --> 00:38:42,031

'cause

: 1226

00:38:42,061 --> 00:38:42,511

Katie: so.

: 1227

00:38:42,841 --> 00:38:43,741

Ryan Rebalkin: there and she trusts

: 1228

00:38:43,861 --> 00:38:46,351

him completely with the girl and

they have a great relationship.

: 1229

00:38:46,351 --> 00:38:48,931

They're doing like video messages

to them and they're being silly.

: 1230

00:38:49,351 --> 00:38:53,251

He loves her like his own daughter,

but when he asks her to marry

: 1231

00:38:53,251 --> 00:38:54,631

her, it almost seemed like this.

: 1232

00:38:54,691 --> 00:38:56,041

They hadn't had been on a date yet.

: 1233

00:38:56,041 --> 00:38:57,781

It was really confusing to

me about the relationship.

: 1234

00:38:57,976 --> 00:39:00,656

Katie: That was a bit,

and she even speaks to it.

: 1235

00:39:00,656 --> 00:39:02,126

So I can see why you say that.

: 1236

00:39:02,166 --> 00:39:07,086

So Dylan McDermott plays Brian

Bedford and he is the neighbor.

: 1237

00:39:07,836 --> 00:39:09,036

He, he's the neighbor.

: 1238

00:39:09,036 --> 00:39:10,086

They live in the same apartment.

: 1239

00:39:10,116 --> 00:39:10,596

Ryan Rebalkin: each other.

: 1240

00:39:10,776 --> 00:39:12,036

Katie: They're in the

same apartment building.

: 1241

00:39:12,096 --> 00:39:13,926

That's why he was in her apartment.

: 1242

00:39:14,526 --> 00:39:14,766

Ryan Rebalkin: Do I

: 1243

00:39:14,826 --> 00:39:15,186

Katie: the,

: 1244

00:39:15,546 --> 00:39:16,086

Ryan Rebalkin: by this stuff?

: 1245

00:39:16,086 --> 00:39:16,176

I

: 1246

00:39:16,176 --> 00:39:19,056

Katie: the girl, the daughter went to

watch the parade 'cause he was like

: 1247

00:39:19,056 --> 00:39:20,436

on the other side of the building.

: 1248

00:39:20,436 --> 00:39:23,736

They live on the same floor,

in the same building and it

: 1249

00:39:23,736 --> 00:39:24,996

is clear a little bit later.

: 1250

00:39:24,996 --> 00:39:27,891

You don't immediately know . But

in a, in a little bit, you, you

: 1251

00:39:27,891 --> 00:39:31,066

realize that there is a, there's

an existing relationship there.

: 1252

00:39:31,376 --> 00:39:31,666

Ryan Rebalkin: okay.

: 1253

00:39:31,741 --> 00:39:35,851

So obviously, but I just felt, I felt

it odd that, and it's weird because

: 1254

00:39:35,851 --> 00:39:39,901

it was one of these films where

there wasn't, which is fine, I guess

: 1255

00:39:39,901 --> 00:39:40,981

it's still kind of kid friendly.

: 1256

00:39:40,981 --> 00:39:43,981

They didn't wanna get too like, you

know, there's been some kid films where

: 1257

00:39:43,981 --> 00:39:47,791

there's drama and the relationships

with the adults, but good and bad.

: 1258

00:39:47,791 --> 00:39:51,241

What I liked is that Dylan McDermott's

character, Bobby is his name Bobby,

: 1259

00:39:52,141 --> 00:39:54,001

Katie: No his name's Brian.

: 1260

00:39:54,121 --> 00:39:55,171

Brian Bedford.

: 1261

00:39:55,381 --> 00:39:55,471

Ryan Rebalkin: his

: 1262

00:39:55,501 --> 00:39:57,031

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1263

00:39:57,037 --> 00:39:57,156

Mm-hmm.

: 1264

00:39:57,331 --> 00:39:58,321

His name is Bobby in the

: 1265

00:39:58,596 --> 00:39:58,716

practice.

: 1266

00:39:59,161 --> 00:40:02,371

Ryan Rebalkin: Is that what

I actually, what I liked?

: 1267

00:40:02,791 --> 00:40:06,211

'cause I hadn't seen this, I've seen this

film once before, probably a long time

: 1268

00:40:06,211 --> 00:40:08,101

ago, but I hadn't seen it in 20 odd years.

: 1269

00:40:08,101 --> 00:40:10,561

But I liked about his character was.

: 1270

00:40:11,446 --> 00:40:12,376

He wasn't a dick.

: 1271

00:40:12,376 --> 00:40:15,376

And I was a little bit afraid

of that, that the smarmy, that

: 1272

00:40:15,376 --> 00:40:16,576

he was gonna be the nonbeliever.

: 1273

00:40:16,576 --> 00:40:20,416

I like that the guy, I know it sounds

cliche, but the guy was the believer,

: 1274

00:40:20,416 --> 00:40:21,946

he was the sweetheart of the film.

: 1275

00:40:21,946 --> 00:40:24,586

That it was the mother who

was kind of the nonbeliever.

: 1276

00:40:24,586 --> 00:40:26,926

'cause he usually just the feminine

side, a little bit more soft,

: 1277

00:40:26,926 --> 00:40:27,916

a little bit more believing.

: 1278

00:40:28,156 --> 00:40:31,756

And the men are a little bit more maybe

not negative, but not as believing.

: 1279

00:40:31,786 --> 00:40:35,066

And of course the lawyer, the prosecutor

lawyer was that played by JT Walsh

: 1280

00:40:35,456 --> 00:40:36,836

represented that side of the coin.

: 1281

00:40:36,836 --> 00:40:38,876

But the point is, I like that his

character was just a good guy.

: 1282

00:40:38,876 --> 00:40:40,436

I like that through the whole film.

: 1283

00:40:41,306 --> 00:40:43,076

character happened to be a good guy.

: 1284

00:40:43,136 --> 00:40:46,946

But the same token, because of

that, he was such a great guy.

: 1285

00:40:46,946 --> 00:40:49,076

He's sweet, he's good looking,

great to the daughter.

: 1286

00:40:49,526 --> 00:40:52,196

I'm like, woman, what is your deal?

: 1287

00:40:52,196 --> 00:40:54,446

What, what are you, this is where as a

: 1288

00:40:54,516 --> 00:40:54,736

Katie: No.

: 1289

00:40:54,896 --> 00:40:56,171

'cause she agreed.

: 1290

00:40:56,171 --> 00:40:58,751

I mean, and that's,

that's where I think I get

: 1291

00:40:59,051 --> 00:41:00,221

Ryan Rebalkin: and I was

gonna ask you about that here.

: 1292

00:41:00,671 --> 00:41:02,141

Let's say you're a single woman.

: 1293

00:41:02,861 --> 00:41:04,961

You've got a guy who's intelligent,

: 1294

00:41:05,201 --> 00:41:05,861

Katie: a catch.

: 1295

00:41:05,921 --> 00:41:07,451

He's, he's a, he's a catch.

: 1296

00:41:07,691 --> 00:41:10,181

Ryan Rebalkin: and loves your

daughter, which is the number

: 1297

00:41:10,181 --> 00:41:12,071

one thing in your life, and they,

they have a great relationship.

: 1298

00:41:12,071 --> 00:41:14,591

You're like, oh, but

marriage, don't be selling.

: 1299

00:41:14,591 --> 00:41:15,491

What are you doing?

: 1300

00:41:15,491 --> 00:41:17,901

I go, what are we talk

what is she looking for?

: 1301

00:41:18,081 --> 00:41:21,711

Katie: Well, this is where I think this

is why romantic comedy came into my brain

: 1302

00:41:21,711 --> 00:41:24,351

because it's a trope in romantic comedies

: 1303

00:41:24,381 --> 00:41:24,771

Ryan Rebalkin: so.

: 1304

00:41:24,861 --> 00:41:30,111

Katie: for no reason whatsoever, the woman

is so hurt by her previous experiences

: 1305

00:41:30,351 --> 00:41:36,171

that she pushes the guy this perfect man

away and, and then the guy just keeps

: 1306

00:41:36,171 --> 00:41:37,611

coming and keeps coming and keeps coming.

: 1307

00:41:37,611 --> 00:41:38,901

And that would never happen in real life.

: 1308

00:41:38,901 --> 00:41:39,861

He'd be like, okay, fine.

: 1309

00:41:39,861 --> 00:41:41,571

I've got a lot of other options here.

: 1310

00:41:42,051 --> 00:41:44,271

But in these romantic

comedies, that's a trope.

: 1311

00:41:44,271 --> 00:41:47,641

So she says, it's not as serious.

: 1312

00:41:47,641 --> 00:41:48,901

And so it was

: 1313

00:41:49,021 --> 00:41:49,351

Ryan Rebalkin: That's

: 1314

00:41:49,411 --> 00:41:52,861

Katie: he proposes, it's a bit much.

: 1315

00:41:53,401 --> 00:41:57,151

And then for her to say,

she went as far as to say.

: 1316

00:41:58,546 --> 00:42:02,686

You're, if you put your

faith in me, you're a fool.

: 1317

00:42:02,791 --> 00:42:03,361

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes.

: 1318

00:42:03,466 --> 00:42:04,006

Katie: Yeah.

: 1319

00:42:04,246 --> 00:42:04,696

Yeah.

: 1320

00:42:04,861 --> 00:42:05,221

Ryan Rebalkin: what I mean.

: 1321

00:42:05,221 --> 00:42:05,431

It's like,

: 1322

00:42:05,431 --> 00:42:08,581

oh, it seemed like they

hadn't been dating yet.

: 1323

00:42:08,581 --> 00:42:11,881

If I was watching that scene

and you say to the viewer, how

: 1324

00:42:11,881 --> 00:42:12,961

long have they been dating?

: 1325

00:42:12,961 --> 00:42:14,731

My answer would've been, they?

: 1326

00:42:15,706 --> 00:42:18,826

Katie: There's a few indications

that they're not strangers,

: 1327

00:42:18,886 --> 00:42:19,786

you know, like they've

: 1328

00:42:20,461 --> 00:42:21,721

Ryan Rebalkin: She, he, she trust.

: 1329

00:42:21,976 --> 00:42:22,336

Katie: mm-hmm.

: 1330

00:42:23,041 --> 00:42:23,791

Ryan Rebalkin: And I know people are like,

: 1331

00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:24,871

guys, this is a Christmas movie.

: 1332

00:42:24,871 --> 00:42:25,411

I'm sorry.

: 1333

00:42:25,651 --> 00:42:25,961

This is,

: 1334

00:42:27,196 --> 00:42:27,796

Katie: Well, in.

: 1335

00:42:27,901 --> 00:42:29,161

Ryan Rebalkin: this is the

weakest part of the film,

: 1336

00:42:29,161 --> 00:42:31,951

is their relationship status

is actually confusing to me.

: 1337

00:42:31,951 --> 00:42:35,361

And then I had a hard time liking

her character and I didn't like that.

: 1338

00:42:35,661 --> 00:42:38,211

'cause I felt frustrated by

the fact that she was such a,

: 1339

00:42:39,411 --> 00:42:40,311

I know she loved her daughter.

: 1340

00:42:40,311 --> 00:42:41,181

I wanna protect her daughter.

: 1341

00:42:41,211 --> 00:42:43,161

'cause you know, she didn't want

her daughter hurt by life the

: 1342

00:42:43,161 --> 00:42:44,241

way she's been hurt by life.

: 1343

00:42:44,241 --> 00:42:44,751

I get it.

: 1344

00:42:44,751 --> 00:42:45,081

I get.

: 1345

00:42:45,501 --> 00:42:46,221

That's great.

: 1346

00:42:46,521 --> 00:42:49,131

But then I just, I guess I'm such

a pragmatic person, so I'm like,

: 1347

00:42:49,431 --> 00:42:51,081

lady, you got a great guy here.

: 1348

00:42:51,081 --> 00:42:51,831

Your life could be good.

: 1349

00:42:51,831 --> 00:42:54,891

Now, of course, spoil

alert, it ends up together.

: 1350

00:42:54,891 --> 00:42:55,251

I know.

: 1351

00:42:55,671 --> 00:42:57,711

Katie: Again, this is the

romantic comedy tropes.

: 1352

00:42:57,711 --> 00:43:00,291

That's why I keep thinking about that,

even though this is technically, but

: 1353

00:43:00,291 --> 00:43:04,461

now I will say, Ryan, because you

haven't had the the extra help of

: 1354

00:43:04,521 --> 00:43:06,321

recently rewatching the original.

: 1355

00:43:06,441 --> 00:43:07,041

Ryan Rebalkin: No,

: 1356

00:43:07,041 --> 00:43:08,751

Katie: this is so the original.

: 1357

00:43:08,751 --> 00:43:12,111

It's clear that they are

neighbors, but they are not

: 1358

00:43:12,111 --> 00:43:13,971

dating and he wants to date her.

: 1359

00:43:14,121 --> 00:43:15,231

Ryan Rebalkin: see that?

: 1360

00:43:16,011 --> 00:43:19,581

feel like they took that and they just

made it a little bit more confusing.

: 1361

00:43:19,731 --> 00:43:21,201

Katie: they, they well, it,

: 1362

00:43:21,321 --> 00:43:22,221

Ryan Rebalkin: there, that makes sense.

: 1363

00:43:22,251 --> 00:43:22,461

Okay.

: 1364

00:43:22,461 --> 00:43:25,131

That's what I felt That's what it,

that's what it seemed like, but then

: 1365

00:43:25,131 --> 00:43:26,941

it's like, oh, there's more there you go.

: 1366

00:43:27,091 --> 00:43:30,481

Katie: it's because in this one, they

had to set that up, they had to have at

: 1367

00:43:30,481 --> 00:43:35,701

least been dating a little bit so that

a proposal wasn't completely asinine.

: 1368

00:43:36,241 --> 00:43:36,871

And then.

: 1369

00:43:36,991 --> 00:43:37,561

Ryan Rebalkin: in the first one?

: 1370

00:43:38,041 --> 00:43:38,671

Katie: No,

: 1371

00:43:38,851 --> 00:43:39,451

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1372

00:43:39,811 --> 00:43:41,821

Katie: they do end up

together in the original.

: 1373

00:43:41,881 --> 00:43:46,591

But so in this one, there's the whole

Chris Kringle spoiler alert sends each

: 1374

00:43:46,591 --> 00:43:51,181

of them a card on Christmas Eve saying,

meet us, you know, meet me at the church.

: 1375

00:43:51,196 --> 00:43:52,336

Ryan Rebalkin: That happens to both films.

: 1376

00:43:53,041 --> 00:43:56,161

Katie: So I'm saying it doesn't,

what I'm saying is I think that in

: 1377

00:43:56,161 --> 00:43:57,421

this one it was a little bit longer.

: 1378

00:43:57,421 --> 00:43:58,891

They had to kind of set up

: 1379

00:43:59,761 --> 00:44:02,641

and make it realistic that

they got married so quick.

: 1380

00:44:02,641 --> 00:44:03,301

You know what I mean?

: 1381

00:44:03,551 --> 00:44:06,041

So she quickly does

realize that, you know.

: 1382

00:44:06,071 --> 00:44:08,141

Okay, I bet he has a good catch.

: 1383

00:44:08,441 --> 00:44:09,341

I hear you though.

: 1384

00:44:09,371 --> 00:44:15,641

But the original is also the woman is the

one, she's the high powered career woman,

: 1385

00:44:15,641 --> 00:44:18,911

which was extremely progressive in 47.

: 1386

00:44:19,106 --> 00:44:19,676

Ryan Rebalkin: that's crazy.

: 1387

00:44:19,676 --> 00:44:20,156

That's great.

: 1388

00:44:20,621 --> 00:44:22,871

Katie: Maureen O'Hara,

who I, I like her a lot.

: 1389

00:44:22,871 --> 00:44:25,151

She's, yeah, so she plays Doris.

: 1390

00:44:25,201 --> 00:44:28,141

And so in the original, again,

it's still the neighbor situation.

: 1391

00:44:28,631 --> 00:44:29,741

It's a different name.

: 1392

00:44:29,981 --> 00:44:30,821

It's not the same.

: 1393

00:44:30,821 --> 00:44:32,021

Like they play different characters.

: 1394

00:44:32,021 --> 00:44:34,781

Let's see, John Payne plays Fred Galey.

: 1395

00:44:35,231 --> 00:44:37,181

It's, you know, kind of

the standin character.

: 1396

00:44:37,526 --> 00:44:37,766

Ryan Rebalkin: Right?

: 1397

00:44:37,781 --> 00:44:42,611

Katie: So yeah, and it is one thing in

the nineties versions I have noticed,

: 1398

00:44:42,611 --> 00:44:48,821

and I've brought up a few times, John

Hughes portrays women that aren't

: 1399

00:44:48,821 --> 00:44:51,791

married as like really heartless.

: 1400

00:44:52,041 --> 00:44:55,671

And there's like, if, if you have

a career, you could never they're

: 1401

00:44:55,671 --> 00:44:58,341

just like heartless bees who,

: 1402

00:44:58,541 --> 00:44:58,831

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1403

00:44:59,001 --> 00:45:00,771

Katie: you know, he like,

it's a thing with John Hughes.

: 1404

00:45:00,771 --> 00:45:04,671

I don't know if he's got like mommy issues

or something, I'm not entirely sure.

: 1405

00:45:04,671 --> 00:45:08,051

But Elizabeth Perkins

plays that type very well.

: 1406

00:45:08,051 --> 00:45:09,371

I think she was really good

: 1407

00:45:09,641 --> 00:45:10,241

at this.

: 1408

00:45:11,141 --> 00:45:14,306

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, Susan Walker, the

character in the original was played

: 1409

00:45:14,306 --> 00:45:16,046

by the young actress, Natalie Wood.

: 1410

00:45:16,601 --> 00:45:20,621

Katie: Yes, the original Natalie

Wood plays the plays Susan in

: 1411

00:45:20,621 --> 00:45:23,081

this one, Mara Wilson plays her

: 1412

00:45:23,186 --> 00:45:23,546

Ryan Rebalkin: Right.

: 1413

00:45:23,681 --> 00:45:26,591

Katie: and, or maybe it's

Mara Maira Mara, whatever.

: 1414

00:45:26,591 --> 00:45:27,641

But she's also in Mrs.

: 1415

00:45:27,641 --> 00:45:28,931

Doubtfire and Matilda.

: 1416

00:45:28,946 --> 00:45:29,846

Ryan Rebalkin: right.

: 1417

00:45:29,891 --> 00:45:32,711

Katie: she would've just recently

rewatched so we could compare.

: 1418

00:45:33,146 --> 00:45:33,656

Ryan Rebalkin: oh,

: 1419

00:45:33,701 --> 00:45:35,921

Katie: guys all know my

thoughts about kids in movies.

: 1420

00:45:35,981 --> 00:45:38,411

Now this little girl grew on me.

: 1421

00:45:38,721 --> 00:45:41,301

At first I was like, uhoh,

I am not gonna like her.

: 1422

00:45:41,961 --> 00:45:46,221

She grew on me throughout the movie,

but I will say Natalie Wood as

: 1423

00:45:46,221 --> 00:45:50,751

Susan in the original is so good.

: 1424

00:45:50,751 --> 00:45:54,141

It's like a bazillion

times better in my, in my

: 1425

00:45:54,206 --> 00:45:55,556

Ryan Rebalkin: I'll say she was fine.

: 1426

00:45:56,336 --> 00:45:57,086

I don't mean that like

: 1427

00:45:57,251 --> 00:45:57,491

Katie: mm-hmm.

: 1428

00:45:57,686 --> 00:45:58,736

Ryan Rebalkin: Wilson's young guy young

: 1429

00:45:58,736 --> 00:45:59,336

character here.

: 1430

00:45:59,396 --> 00:46:03,116

I was actually, dialogue was

pretty strong, which helps.

: 1431

00:46:04,376 --> 00:46:06,646

I actually, I'm not, because,

: 1432

00:46:06,646 --> 00:46:08,146

you know, I don't hate

kids the way you do.

: 1433

00:46:08,146 --> 00:46:08,596

So,

: 1434

00:46:08,866 --> 00:46:10,246

Katie: You're not, I

mean, you're, you know,

: 1435

00:46:11,266 --> 00:46:13,156

Ryan Rebalkin: I'm sorry, I

like to poke funny a little bit,

: 1436

00:46:13,276 --> 00:46:15,346

Katie: especially in

movies, I'm like, oh God,

: 1437

00:46:15,646 --> 00:46:16,306

Ryan Rebalkin: no, I'm the

: 1438

00:46:16,366 --> 00:46:16,846

Katie: yeah.

: 1439

00:46:16,996 --> 00:46:17,236

Ryan Rebalkin: way.

: 1440

00:46:17,241 --> 00:46:17,956

it it is tough.

: 1441

00:46:17,956 --> 00:46:18,166

It is

: 1442

00:46:18,166 --> 00:46:19,996

tough being a child actor in general.

: 1443

00:46:19,996 --> 00:46:21,286

So will say

: 1444

00:46:21,286 --> 00:46:21,916

she did pretty good.

: 1445

00:46:22,486 --> 00:46:23,956

It actually was, she was actually, it

: 1446

00:46:24,376 --> 00:46:24,796

Katie: Yeah.

: 1447

00:46:25,036 --> 00:46:25,966

Ryan Rebalkin: bother me at all.

: 1448

00:46:25,971 --> 00:46:26,206

And, and

: 1449

00:46:26,206 --> 00:46:30,046

it wasn't overdone and she had the

perfect amount of cuteness, the talk.

: 1450

00:46:30,046 --> 00:46:33,376

And the Santa, I will say it is

probably one of the stronger.

: 1451

00:46:33,466 --> 00:46:34,906

So the fact that you see

Natalie Wood was so good in the

: 1452

00:46:34,906 --> 00:46:35,416

original, I'm, might have to

: 1453

00:46:36,011 --> 00:46:36,431

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1454

00:46:36,676 --> 00:46:36,991

You will,

: 1455

00:46:37,036 --> 00:46:37,306

Ryan Rebalkin: now.

: 1456

00:46:37,651 --> 00:46:38,631

Katie: it, it's a better movie.

: 1457

00:46:39,326 --> 00:46:40,886

Ryan Rebalkin: But yeah, I

thought she was just fine.

: 1458

00:46:40,886 --> 00:46:41,456

I thought she was

: 1459

00:46:41,591 --> 00:46:42,011

Katie: Agreed.

: 1460

00:46:42,206 --> 00:46:43,256

Ryan Rebalkin: written well, directed

: 1461

00:46:43,256 --> 00:46:46,916

well, and they didn't overdo these,

the sappiness of silly, I mean, this

: 1462

00:46:46,916 --> 00:46:50,036

is a certain degree, but I, this is the

thing, I think this is an adult film,

: 1463

00:46:50,036 --> 00:46:53,006

but they have the child, the child

voice of when you're a kid, you're gonna

: 1464

00:46:53,006 --> 00:46:55,286

watch that character a little bit more.

: 1465

00:46:55,286 --> 00:46:55,586

But I,

: 1466

00:46:55,736 --> 00:46:59,666

I felt like a lot of this was a

message to adults, not to kids.

: 1467

00:47:00,791 --> 00:47:01,081

Katie: Okay.

: 1468

00:47:01,301 --> 00:47:01,391

Ryan Rebalkin: Why?

: 1469

00:47:01,391 --> 00:47:02,621

I think it's, that's why I think

: 1470

00:47:02,621 --> 00:47:07,581

it's, it's when we as adults lose the

magic of Christmas, when we stop believing

: 1471

00:47:07,911 --> 00:47:12,201

and when we stop believing in the magic

of Christmas, when, and not to take that

: 1472

00:47:12,201 --> 00:47:14,841

away from children, let them, there's

a part in the movie, I can't remember

: 1473

00:47:14,841 --> 00:47:19,361

the exact quote or part, but the idea of

let her, she says, can I actually, can I

: 1474

00:47:19,361 --> 00:47:21,101

just hold onto this a little bit longer?

: 1475

00:47:21,101 --> 00:47:21,971

Can I just be a kid?

: 1476

00:47:22,311 --> 00:47:24,891

Sometimes parents, and I've

known some, I won't name anybody.

: 1477

00:47:24,891 --> 00:47:29,121

I've known people in my family who

will kind of pop the Christmas bubble

: 1478

00:47:29,901 --> 00:47:32,441

as a way of I dunno, I'm not gonna

tell you how to parent your kids.

: 1479

00:47:32,441 --> 00:47:34,601

What I'm getting at is let

them believe in the magic.

: 1480

00:47:34,631 --> 00:47:36,371

'cause we're all gonna be

grumpy adults soon enough.

: 1481

00:47:36,371 --> 00:47:39,071

We're all gonna be cynical and Christmas.

: 1482

00:47:39,821 --> 00:47:44,501

And what I did with my kids was, is

that told them that Santa's a character

: 1483

00:47:44,561 --> 00:47:47,501

the same way Mickey Mouse is a

character, or SpongeBob is a character.

: 1484

00:47:47,771 --> 00:47:49,391

So it's not real in the sense of like.

: 1485

00:47:50,276 --> 00:47:53,636

there's a guy in the North Pole, but

I said, but isn't it fun to believe

: 1486

00:47:53,636 --> 00:47:54,866

in a character that does these?

: 1487

00:47:54,986 --> 00:47:59,096

So we always not train, but we raise

our kids to understand that Santa

: 1488

00:47:59,546 --> 00:48:04,616

was a real character the same way

Mickey Mouse is a real, like when you

: 1489

00:48:04,616 --> 00:48:06,026

go to Disney, like what do you see?

: 1490

00:48:06,026 --> 00:48:07,976

You give Mickey Mouse a

hug and Donald Duck a hug.

: 1491

00:48:08,906 --> 00:48:09,536

the whole point.

: 1492

00:48:09,536 --> 00:48:13,316

These are characters and let kids,

and even when kids go to Disney Land,

: 1493

00:48:13,316 --> 00:48:15,596

they know it's not really a mouse.

: 1494

00:48:15,926 --> 00:48:19,286

It's a costume that nobody's

talking, but they, and even the

: 1495

00:48:19,286 --> 00:48:21,116

adults, it's fun to believe.

: 1496

00:48:21,116 --> 00:48:21,656

And I think we

: 1497

00:48:21,836 --> 00:48:22,376

Katie: Yeah.

: 1498

00:48:22,676 --> 00:48:23,096

Ryan Rebalkin: up in,

: 1499

00:48:23,456 --> 00:48:23,636

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1500

00:48:24,236 --> 00:48:25,166

Ryan Rebalkin: oh, it's not real.

: 1501

00:48:25,916 --> 00:48:28,496

Okay, heaven forbid have

: 1502

00:48:28,651 --> 00:48:28,941

Katie: Well,

: 1503

00:48:29,966 --> 00:48:34,856

I will say I think this is just, I can't

prove this, but I think most kids are

: 1504

00:48:34,856 --> 00:48:39,056

taught and grow up thinking for some

period of time that Santa Claus is real.

: 1505

00:48:39,236 --> 00:48:41,906

Not the character, but he's a real person.

: 1506

00:48:42,116 --> 00:48:42,896

That some,

: 1507

00:48:43,001 --> 00:48:43,451

Ryan Rebalkin: was the same

: 1508

00:48:43,646 --> 00:48:45,986

Katie: yeah, that, so

I'm saying most kids do.

: 1509

00:48:46,271 --> 00:48:46,451

Ryan Rebalkin: ness

: 1510

00:48:46,616 --> 00:48:47,006

Katie: Yeah.

: 1511

00:48:47,291 --> 00:48:47,771

Ryan Rebalkin: where oh

: 1512

00:48:48,551 --> 00:48:49,931

Katie: And even in the

court case it's brought up.

: 1513

00:48:49,961 --> 00:48:53,471

Oh, so you told your kids this, you,

you, you taught your kids that Santa

: 1514

00:48:53,471 --> 00:48:58,411

was, so it comes up in the court

case you know, and, but Dory says she

: 1515

00:48:58,411 --> 00:49:01,951

believed when she was a kid, and then

it's not really investigated, but clear.

: 1516

00:49:01,951 --> 00:49:03,541

Like we get hints that.

: 1517

00:49:03,541 --> 00:49:04,891

Ryan Rebalkin: heart, whatever it was.

: 1518

00:49:05,041 --> 00:49:07,321

And I actually took that as

funny enough just as somebody

: 1519

00:49:07,321 --> 00:49:08,581

who was raised religious very

: 1520

00:49:08,656 --> 00:49:09,076

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1521

00:49:09,511 --> 00:49:10,621

Ryan Rebalkin: that she talked about

: 1522

00:49:10,621 --> 00:49:15,421

when she found out it wasn't

true, it shattered her worldview.

: 1523

00:49:15,901 --> 00:49:18,361

And I guess that, I guess

every kid is different.

: 1524

00:49:18,361 --> 00:49:19,591

Everyone's experience is different.

: 1525

00:49:19,711 --> 00:49:21,831

Same with my very quickly

my religious upbringing.

: 1526

00:49:21,831 --> 00:49:23,061

When I found out it kind of wasn't.

: 1527

00:49:24,411 --> 00:49:25,641

Empirically true.

: 1528

00:49:25,766 --> 00:49:26,186

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1529

00:49:26,211 --> 00:49:27,501

Ryan Rebalkin: taught, it did shatter my

: 1530

00:49:27,501 --> 00:49:27,891

worldview.

: 1531

00:49:27,891 --> 00:49:30,681

So I understand that part of it for sure.

: 1532

00:49:30,681 --> 00:49:33,261

So I think there is a little bit of

allegory there between, I guess you could

: 1533

00:49:33,261 --> 00:49:34,791

say, well, they talk about God and God, we

: 1534

00:49:34,966 --> 00:49:35,386

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1535

00:49:35,466 --> 00:49:35,866

Mm-hmm.

: 1536

00:49:35,946 --> 00:49:36,306

Mm-hmm.

: 1537

00:49:36,351 --> 00:49:36,711

Ryan Rebalkin: God.

: 1538

00:49:37,581 --> 00:49:40,281

I, what I liked when they did that

at the end of the court case there

: 1539

00:49:40,581 --> 00:49:43,631

was that even though they brought

up God, they like, they said God

: 1540

00:49:43,631 --> 00:49:44,836

might not be something we can

: 1541

00:49:45,521 --> 00:49:47,561

Katie: You can't prove God either yet.

: 1542

00:49:47,561 --> 00:49:49,601

It's the government

believes in it so much.

: 1543

00:49:49,601 --> 00:49:50,441

It's on our dollar.

: 1544

00:49:50,441 --> 00:49:52,146

Therefore, Santa is real too.

: 1545

00:49:53,146 --> 00:49:53,436

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1546

00:49:53,586 --> 00:49:56,201

It's an interesting philosophical dis

: 1547

00:49:56,261 --> 00:50:02,891

I, I actually found the court scene and

the philosophical discussions fascinating.

: 1548

00:50:04,451 --> 00:50:06,191

I admit, and I don't know

if kids would get that.

: 1549

00:50:06,191 --> 00:50:06,581

This is what I mean.

: 1550

00:50:06,581 --> 00:50:08,081

I don't think this is a movie for kids.

: 1551

00:50:08,081 --> 00:50:13,061

I think this philosophical discussions

that the adults are having, I don't

: 1552

00:50:13,061 --> 00:50:14,201

know how much kids are catching.

: 1553

00:50:14,231 --> 00:50:14,561

What are your

: 1554

00:50:14,696 --> 00:50:16,706

Katie: That's, yeah, I

mean, that's a fair point.

: 1555

00:50:16,706 --> 00:50:21,206

I think a lot of movies, just

like some kids' movies have adult

: 1556

00:50:21,356 --> 00:50:23,726

things in it because they know that

parents are watching it too, and

: 1557

00:50:23,726 --> 00:50:28,126

it needs to be you at least need to

digest it in some way or, have fun.

: 1558

00:50:28,126 --> 00:50:31,976

So I think in the same way you're

probably right the themes of it.

: 1559

00:50:32,036 --> 00:50:35,996

A lot of the dialogue that really

pose questions, there's very religious

: 1560

00:50:35,996 --> 00:50:37,826

overtones too, like comparisons.

: 1561

00:50:38,246 --> 00:50:42,846

And when Dylan McDermott's character's

like, I am going to prove that there

: 1562

00:50:42,846 --> 00:50:46,416

is a Santa Claus and that he's you,

and he says it in such a way and

: 1563

00:50:46,416 --> 00:50:49,596

then you see what he does and you're

like, oh, I see what he's doing.

: 1564

00:50:49,596 --> 00:50:49,896

Yeah.

: 1565

00:50:50,316 --> 00:50:51,366

So kids wouldn't get that.

: 1566

00:50:51,366 --> 00:50:53,776

But there's also fun

elements for the kids too.

: 1567

00:50:54,196 --> 00:50:54,586

Ryan Rebalkin: It's the

: 1568

00:50:55,021 --> 00:50:55,441

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1569

00:50:55,546 --> 00:50:56,626

Ryan Rebalkin: that's,

if you wanna look at it,

: 1570

00:50:57,106 --> 00:50:59,716

if there's Christians out there

who enjoy Christmas because of

: 1571

00:50:59,926 --> 00:51:02,716

Christ, great believe, enjoy it.

: 1572

00:51:02,986 --> 00:51:05,086

If you're believing that there's

a Santa that makes your family

: 1573

00:51:05,086 --> 00:51:08,326

happy, and you talk about Santa

bringing stuff, great, enjoy it.

: 1574

00:51:08,536 --> 00:51:10,906

But just be wary that you don't allow.

: 1575

00:51:10,906 --> 00:51:12,526

Maybe that's my soapbox.

: 1576

00:51:12,556 --> 00:51:18,226

It's like, just be careful that your

worldview isn't shaped around fallacies,

: 1577

00:51:18,226 --> 00:51:24,436

because when quote unquote hard proof

comes out that these are just characters.

: 1578

00:51:25,216 --> 00:51:28,576

But I could argue that yes, the God,

God of Santa or Jesus and Santas, the

: 1579

00:51:28,576 --> 00:51:30,706

reason why they're very similar is

'cause if you're good, you're blessed.

: 1580

00:51:30,706 --> 00:51:30,886

Right?

: 1581

00:51:30,886 --> 00:51:31,336

That's the idea.

: 1582

00:51:31,336 --> 00:51:32,206

If you're good, you

: 1583

00:51:32,251 --> 00:51:33,691

Katie: Well, yeah, there's

a naughty nice list.

: 1584

00:51:33,691 --> 00:51:35,131

You go to heaven or hell, you know.

: 1585

00:51:35,131 --> 00:51:35,971

It's the, it's

: 1586

00:51:36,121 --> 00:51:36,481

Ryan Rebalkin: I it's

: 1587

00:51:36,481 --> 00:51:36,541

the

: 1588

00:51:36,601 --> 00:51:37,051

Katie: is Santa

: 1589

00:51:37,051 --> 00:51:37,531

Claus.

: 1590

00:51:38,161 --> 00:51:39,421

Ryan Rebalkin: Santa sees you when

: 1591

00:51:39,421 --> 00:51:39,631

you're

: 1592

00:51:39,961 --> 00:51:41,371

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1593

00:51:41,372 --> 00:51:41,382

Mm-hmm.

: 1594

00:51:41,461 --> 00:51:41,611

Ryan Rebalkin: when

: 1595

00:51:41,656 --> 00:51:42,226

Katie: It's the same.

: 1596

00:51:42,451 --> 00:51:44,461

Ryan Rebalkin: at, knows, when

you're looking at Playboys, all that

: 1597

00:51:44,586 --> 00:51:45,006

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1598

00:51:45,031 --> 00:51:47,431

Ryan Rebalkin: that's the whole

idea is like Santa knows, God

: 1599

00:51:47,646 --> 00:51:48,066

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1600

00:51:48,181 --> 00:51:49,351

Ryan Rebalkin: So it's very obvious

: 1601

00:51:49,351 --> 00:51:52,651

similarities, but that's what I'm

trying to get is let your kids know.

: 1602

00:51:52,651 --> 00:51:55,941

Well, no, and I tell my kids I

buy all the gifts, however, every

: 1603

00:51:55,941 --> 00:51:58,911

Christmas, even now, they get a gift

under the tree that's from Santa.

: 1604

00:51:58,911 --> 00:52:03,591

But I'll tell you this much, Santa's

gifts are always that cost a lot of money.

: 1605

00:52:03,591 --> 00:52:07,641

It says mom and dad, but I admit, but

yeah, but they get, the stockings are

: 1606

00:52:07,641 --> 00:52:11,331

from Santa and they know, but they,

it says from Santa, you know, and

: 1607

00:52:11,391 --> 00:52:11,691

Katie: Yeah.

: 1608

00:52:11,691 --> 00:52:13,221

And mo a lot of families.

: 1609

00:52:13,761 --> 00:52:14,931

It's funny that you say that.

: 1610

00:52:14,961 --> 00:52:18,131

I, I, Somebody that I work with says

too, she's like, I don't even know if

: 1611

00:52:18,131 --> 00:52:20,021

she puts gifts for Santa under the tree.

: 1612

00:52:20,021 --> 00:52:21,731

'cause she's like, oh, my

kids to know that's from me.

: 1613

00:52:22,031 --> 00:52:24,701

It's funny how parents have

grown to want more credit.

: 1614

00:52:25,251 --> 00:52:28,161

Whereas also, I don't think

back in the day, kids got,

: 1615

00:52:28,161 --> 00:52:28,551

Ryan Rebalkin: off.

: 1616

00:52:28,761 --> 00:52:31,881

Katie: kids didn't get as many,

you know, parents did too.

: 1617

00:52:31,881 --> 00:52:33,111

So just times have changed.

: 1618

00:52:33,201 --> 00:52:34,581

Ryan Rebalkin: I was, actually

middle class back when

: 1619

00:52:34,581 --> 00:52:36,021

middle class was was a thing.

: 1620

00:52:36,081 --> 00:52:36,411

Katie: Yeah.

: 1621

00:52:36,411 --> 00:52:37,461

It used to be a thing.

: 1622

00:52:37,926 --> 00:52:38,346

Mm-hmm.

: 1623

00:52:38,721 --> 00:52:39,201

Ryan Rebalkin: middle class.

: 1624

00:52:39,201 --> 00:52:39,831

That's how I always

: 1625

00:52:39,831 --> 00:52:40,311

call myself.

: 1626

00:52:40,311 --> 00:52:43,391

We were never, the what's it,

what's one under middle class now?

: 1627

00:52:43,391 --> 00:52:43,871

I can't remember.

: 1628

00:52:43,871 --> 00:52:44,351

Lower class.

: 1629

00:52:44,381 --> 00:52:45,311

Is it just called lower class?

: 1630

00:52:45,401 --> 00:52:46,781

Katie: Working, working class.

: 1631

00:52:46,781 --> 00:52:47,951

Blue collar, I dunno.

: 1632

00:52:48,461 --> 00:52:51,341

Ryan Rebalkin: no, but my, yeah,

anyways, so yeah, so back in the

: 1633

00:52:51,341 --> 00:52:54,131

eighties, I, that was back when you

could under Reaganomics when two

: 1634

00:52:54,131 --> 00:52:55,571

working parents you were doing okay.

: 1635

00:52:55,691 --> 00:52:56,141

You're back

: 1636

00:52:56,351 --> 00:52:58,151

Katie: No, that was before Reaganomics.

: 1637

00:52:58,271 --> 00:52:58,601

Ryan Rebalkin: oh,

: 1638

00:52:58,701 --> 00:52:59,901

Katie: But yeah, he, he,

: 1639

00:53:00,051 --> 00:53:00,201

Ryan Rebalkin: were.

: 1640

00:53:00,381 --> 00:53:04,159

Katie: started the steady decline

. It just took, it took 40 years.

: 1641

00:53:04,189 --> 00:53:04,369

Yeah.

: 1642

00:53:04,369 --> 00:53:04,699

Yeah.

: 1643

00:53:04,729 --> 00:53:05,119

Ryan Rebalkin: Ronald.

: 1644

00:53:05,419 --> 00:53:05,779

Katie: Yep.

: 1645

00:53:05,869 --> 00:53:06,139

Yeah.

: 1646

00:53:06,139 --> 00:53:07,129

It started in the, yes.

: 1647

00:53:07,189 --> 00:53:11,109

But to your point the thing

about Santa and the believing and

: 1648

00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:14,079

everything, but the, what Dorie

says is kind of makes sense though.

: 1649

00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,739

She's like, you know, I want

my kid to know the truth.

: 1650

00:53:17,919 --> 00:53:19,479

And she gives her kid a test.

: 1651

00:53:19,809 --> 00:53:21,129

Now I'm curious what your thoughts are.

: 1652

00:53:21,564 --> 00:53:21,954

Ryan Rebalkin: Sure.

: 1653

00:53:22,629 --> 00:53:26,169

Katie: Ask Santa for something that

you don't ask me for, for Christmas,

: 1654

00:53:26,169 --> 00:53:31,329

and if it's there, Santa's real,

and in this movie that happens.

: 1655

00:53:31,659 --> 00:53:32,919

But if you.

: 1656

00:53:33,459 --> 00:53:38,319

But if a kid watches this, you know,

and they ask Santa something at the mall

: 1657

00:53:39,369 --> 00:53:40,809

and the parents don't know.

: 1658

00:53:40,944 --> 00:53:41,454

Ryan Rebalkin: with that parent.

: 1659

00:53:41,454 --> 00:53:41,814

This is me.

: 1660

00:53:41,814 --> 00:53:42,474

I'm being a parent.

: 1661

00:53:42,474 --> 00:53:43,464

I disagree with the parenting.

: 1662

00:53:43,464 --> 00:53:45,384

That's just when you say,

look, okay, sweetheart.

: 1663

00:53:46,194 --> 00:53:47,994

what, that's when you

say She's a smart kid.

: 1664

00:53:47,994 --> 00:53:50,304

That's exactly when I would've

come and said, okay, good.

: 1665

00:53:50,304 --> 00:53:52,014

You're at, basically, you're coming at me.

: 1666

00:53:52,164 --> 00:53:55,074

I think that's what I did with the, I've

had six kids, so I, I can't remember each

: 1667

00:53:55,074 --> 00:53:58,359

journey, but the, the rule was always

when the kid asks you to tell the truth.

: 1668

00:53:59,274 --> 00:54:01,074

And so if they say, is Santa Real?

: 1669

00:54:01,074 --> 00:54:02,814

I hear kids at school

saying, Santa's not real.

: 1670

00:54:02,814 --> 00:54:03,504

I say, yeah, you're right.

: 1671

00:54:03,504 --> 00:54:03,894

He's not.

: 1672

00:54:03,924 --> 00:54:05,544

And that's when you

just say, he's not real.

: 1673

00:54:05,544 --> 00:54:06,384

As in I'm real.

: 1674

00:54:06,384 --> 00:54:09,234

Your father, he's a character

that's fun to believe in.

: 1675

00:54:09,234 --> 00:54:11,934

So your friends are right at school, but

there's something to freak out about.

: 1676

00:54:13,494 --> 00:54:14,274

and that's the same thing.

: 1677

00:54:14,274 --> 00:54:15,144

She should have done that here.

: 1678

00:54:15,144 --> 00:54:18,084

She said, okay, sweetheart,

isn't it fun to believe?

: 1679

00:54:18,204 --> 00:54:18,984

Isn't it fun?

: 1680

00:54:18,984 --> 00:54:21,144

Isn't it good to be

good for goodness sake?

: 1681

00:54:21,294 --> 00:54:22,224

Those are good things.

: 1682

00:54:22,224 --> 00:54:26,124

It's, but Santa's not real, but

the principles of goodness and

: 1683

00:54:26,124 --> 00:54:27,474

kindness, those are real things.

: 1684

00:54:27,474 --> 00:54:29,394

Those are things that we

should enjoy and embrace.

: 1685

00:54:29,484 --> 00:54:35,214

And Santa represents goodness and

charity and peace, or Christ or whoever.

: 1686

00:54:35,544 --> 00:54:36,744

That's what you have to say.

: 1687

00:54:36,744 --> 00:54:37,404

And I, I don't know.

: 1688

00:54:37,704 --> 00:54:39,954

I know it's a movie and she's

not thinking that way, but she

: 1689

00:54:39,984 --> 00:54:40,854

Katie: And it's a remake.

: 1690

00:54:40,854 --> 00:54:43,404

You have to, you know, they have

to kind of stick with the content

: 1691

00:54:43,404 --> 00:54:44,604

of the original a little bit and

: 1692

00:54:44,934 --> 00:54:46,424

Ryan Rebalkin: of I'll show I'll show you.

: 1693

00:54:46,424 --> 00:54:47,354

Santa's not real.

: 1694

00:54:47,474 --> 00:54:49,274

You're gonna be disappointed

when you ask for something

: 1695

00:54:49,274 --> 00:54:50,984

you don't get like, geez, like

: 1696

00:54:51,284 --> 00:54:53,594

Katie: well, I mean, that's,

they needed that in the movie.

: 1697

00:54:53,624 --> 00:54:55,964

So be because in the movie,

: 1698

00:54:56,044 --> 00:54:56,404

Yeah.

: 1699

00:54:56,404 --> 00:54:59,104

But that's the whole point of the movie,

is that in this movie they're showing

: 1700

00:54:59,104 --> 00:55:01,504

Santa is real, but my, what I was,

: 1701

00:55:01,849 --> 00:55:02,869

Ryan Rebalkin: her wishlist?

: 1702

00:55:02,929 --> 00:55:04,789

The what She got like this insane.

: 1703

00:55:04,969 --> 00:55:05,329

Okay.

: 1704

00:55:05,479 --> 00:55:06,259

You'll, you'll, you'll

: 1705

00:55:06,274 --> 00:55:08,494

Katie: and he makes

it, he makes it happen.

: 1706

00:55:08,959 --> 00:55:10,039

Ryan Rebalkin: The rich get richer.

: 1707

00:55:10,089 --> 00:55:13,299

Because So my wife came in at the end of

the film when she came back from shopping

: 1708

00:55:13,299 --> 00:55:17,019

and, and to get the wish, so to get the

iMac concept, you know, they, they have

: 1709

00:55:17,019 --> 00:55:20,439

a baby in their belly and she gets her

brother in the end, you know, they had

: 1710

00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:21,099

Katie: Well, it wasn't ama,

: 1711

00:55:21,459 --> 00:55:24,009

it wasn't immaculate because

they had gotten married.

: 1712

00:55:24,054 --> 00:55:24,294

Ryan Rebalkin: It was

: 1713

00:55:24,939 --> 00:55:26,559

Katie: They'd gotten

married the night before us.

: 1714

00:55:26,604 --> 00:55:28,884

Ryan Rebalkin: they got married and

they had COAs for the first time.

: 1715

00:55:28,884 --> 00:55:29,334

Sure,

: 1716

00:55:29,354 --> 00:55:29,574

Katie: Yep.

: 1717

00:55:29,664 --> 00:55:29,994

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

: 1718

00:55:29,994 --> 00:55:30,414

Of course.

: 1719

00:55:30,414 --> 00:55:30,774

They didn't wear

: 1720

00:55:30,774 --> 00:55:32,454

protection, so she's pregnant.

: 1721

00:55:32,854 --> 00:55:34,744

And then they, they got the house.

: 1722

00:55:34,834 --> 00:55:37,984

They were both living in this

upper New York City apartment, so

: 1723

00:55:37,984 --> 00:55:39,214

who knows what those were worth.

: 1724

00:55:39,214 --> 00:55:40,354

And they were nice places.

: 1725

00:55:40,684 --> 00:55:41,944

And it's like the rich get richer.

: 1726

00:55:42,244 --> 00:55:44,074

They get this beautiful big home.

: 1727

00:55:44,074 --> 00:55:46,924

Like there's a part of me that's

like, oh my gosh, how about

: 1728

00:55:46,924 --> 00:55:47,824

an embarrassment of riches?

: 1729

00:55:47,824 --> 00:55:49,654

I almost felt like that

it was almost too much.

: 1730

00:55:49,654 --> 00:55:51,814

I, it made, it made me

miss it's a wonderful life.

: 1731

00:55:51,814 --> 00:55:52,354

That ending.

: 1732

00:55:52,354 --> 00:55:53,194

It's much more sweeter.

: 1733

00:55:53,194 --> 00:55:57,124

Like every time that bell rings angel,

that's a much sweeter, more humble ending.

: 1734

00:55:57,154 --> 00:56:01,174

This one's like, holy smokes, a lottery

winner's won another, the lottery.

: 1735

00:56:01,174 --> 00:56:01,234

I

: 1736

00:56:01,234 --> 00:56:03,724

Katie: Well, again in, in 47.

: 1737

00:56:03,834 --> 00:56:06,414

So things didn't use to be as expensive.

: 1738

00:56:06,474 --> 00:56:08,554

So, now they are well off both of them.

: 1739

00:56:08,554 --> 00:56:09,484

He's a lawyer,

: 1740

00:56:09,754 --> 00:56:10,654

she's, you know,

: 1741

00:56:10,994 --> 00:56:14,174

Like an executive at Macy's

or Kohl's in, in the remixing.

: 1742

00:56:14,564 --> 00:56:16,484

Ryan Rebalkin: apartments in New York

City looking over the city, like they're

: 1743

00:56:16,484 --> 00:56:17,864

looking over the Macy Day parade.

: 1744

00:56:17,864 --> 00:56:20,324

That's not a bad, that's

probably a expensive apartment.

: 1745

00:56:20,534 --> 00:56:23,144

Katie: a, it's outrageous, like

the, the house in the country

: 1746

00:56:23,144 --> 00:56:25,394

costs less, I would imagine, than

: 1747

00:56:25,424 --> 00:56:26,024

Ryan Rebalkin: you're saying.

: 1748

00:56:26,024 --> 00:56:26,264

Yeah.

: 1749

00:56:26,324 --> 00:56:26,834

Katie: in,

: 1750

00:56:26,864 --> 00:56:27,704

Ryan Rebalkin: a father,

: 1751

00:56:27,824 --> 00:56:28,244

Katie: but in,

: 1752

00:56:28,244 --> 00:56:28,754

the

: 1753

00:56:28,754 --> 00:56:30,404

Ryan Rebalkin: space

and the, home life and,

: 1754

00:56:30,764 --> 00:56:33,164

Katie: but it, so it doesn't work

in this, they can afford it because

: 1755

00:56:33,164 --> 00:56:36,464

she got a bonus, but now they

have two incomes, one house in the

: 1756

00:56:36,464 --> 00:56:40,334

country versus separate incomes

each with an apartment in New York.

: 1757

00:56:40,469 --> 00:56:40,789

Ryan Rebalkin: richer.

: 1758

00:56:40,964 --> 00:56:43,754

Katie: But where I'm in the nineties,

ver nineties version, but what

: 1759

00:56:43,754 --> 00:56:46,004

I'm saying is in the 47 version,

: 1760

00:56:46,149 --> 00:56:46,439

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1761

00:56:46,634 --> 00:56:54,194

Katie: they, while they are well off those

apartments, were not outrageously like

: 1762

00:56:54,194 --> 00:56:55,934

a bazillion dollars like they are today.

: 1763

00:56:55,934 --> 00:56:59,774

Like a somewhat normal person

could still live in the city.

: 1764

00:56:59,864 --> 00:57:00,704

You can't now,

: 1765

00:57:01,349 --> 00:57:01,589

Ryan Rebalkin: No,

: 1766

00:57:02,114 --> 00:57:02,834

Katie: you know what I, mean?

: 1767

00:57:02,909 --> 00:57:04,109

Ryan Rebalkin: I just

thought that was fine.

: 1768

00:57:04,109 --> 00:57:04,224

I mean?

: 1769

00:57:04,264 --> 00:57:07,939

I, I know it was: 2025

finances, was happy for them, but I

: 1770

00:57:07,939 --> 00:57:10,759

was more happy they were a family,

but I felt like they were really

: 1771

00:57:11,059 --> 00:57:14,749

selling the physical gifts too.

: 1772

00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:15,309

Wow.

: 1773

00:57:15,309 --> 00:57:18,669

The home, and it's fully

furnished and it has all these

: 1774

00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:20,069

who put the gifts under the tree?

: 1775

00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:20,939

Who are they for?

: 1776

00:57:21,224 --> 00:57:24,014

Katie: Well, Chris Cringle, the, the

whole point was that Santa did it.

: 1777

00:57:24,014 --> 00:57:24,764

Santa did it.

: 1778

00:57:25,019 --> 00:57:25,679

Ryan Rebalkin: I'm an idiot.

: 1779

00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:26,889

Katie: But

: 1780

00:57:27,189 --> 00:57:27,819

Ryan Rebalkin: I forgot.

: 1781

00:57:27,819 --> 00:57:28,329

He's real.

: 1782

00:57:28,659 --> 00:57:31,929

Katie: Santa's real, and the

ring we know that he's real

: 1783

00:57:31,929 --> 00:57:33,009

because there's only one way.

: 1784

00:57:33,009 --> 00:57:36,519

The priest, the surprise wedding at

the church, the priest has the ring.

: 1785

00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:39,069

So the movie, the purpose of

this movie, it is a remake.

: 1786

00:57:39,069 --> 00:57:41,769

So we have to kind of stick

with, with some of those

: 1787

00:57:41,824 --> 00:57:42,844

the original themes.

: 1788

00:57:43,084 --> 00:57:43,234

Ryan Rebalkin: But

: 1789

00:57:43,294 --> 00:57:43,654

Katie: didn't,

: 1790

00:57:43,714 --> 00:57:44,824

Ryan Rebalkin: about it, that it was

: 1791

00:57:44,974 --> 00:57:45,454

Katie: oh, go ahead.

: 1792

00:57:45,604 --> 00:57:48,004

Ryan Rebalkin: also, there's

nothing in the film that you

: 1793

00:57:48,004 --> 00:57:50,464

saw that couldn't have been.

: 1794

00:57:50,824 --> 00:57:53,704

Real life, meaning that's

what I liked about it.

: 1795

00:57:53,704 --> 00:57:56,584

Yes, he's talking to the deer, but

you don't see the deer talk back.

: 1796

00:57:56,584 --> 00:58:02,794

You see like everything on the surface

is you never see him be Santa for real.

: 1797

00:58:02,824 --> 00:58:04,264

There's like the Santa Claus.

: 1798

00:58:04,264 --> 00:58:07,864

You see Tim Allen's character, you

know, get fad and talking to elves.

: 1799

00:58:08,104 --> 00:58:11,674

There's nowhere in this film

where the objectively, he

: 1800

00:58:11,674 --> 00:58:12,814

could have been a crazy man.

: 1801

00:58:12,814 --> 00:58:16,654

I, that's what I loved about it, is that

there's no proof that he did any of this.

: 1802

00:58:17,824 --> 00:58:18,874

Katie: And he, I mean, there's,

: 1803

00:58:19,384 --> 00:58:20,424

there's you know, they.

: 1804

00:58:20,484 --> 00:58:20,724

Ryan Rebalkin: that?

: 1805

00:58:20,964 --> 00:58:24,864

Katie: No, but the reason he can't

make the reindeer fly is because

: 1806

00:58:25,254 --> 00:58:28,464

they only fly on on Christmas

Eve, or you know, on Christmas, or

: 1807

00:58:28,704 --> 00:58:29,304

Ryan Rebalkin: but that's what I mean.

: 1808

00:58:29,304 --> 00:58:29,484

That

: 1809

00:58:29,934 --> 00:58:31,044

Katie: there's a reason

: 1810

00:58:31,104 --> 00:58:32,274

Ryan Rebalkin: there's,

it's, that's right.

: 1811

00:58:32,274 --> 00:58:33,174

it's like um,

: 1812

00:58:33,974 --> 00:58:35,474

Katie: a rationalization for it.

: 1813

00:58:35,744 --> 00:58:36,164

Ryan Rebalkin: Street?

: 1814

00:58:37,004 --> 00:58:37,394

Katie: Yeah.

: 1815

00:58:37,604 --> 00:58:37,754

Mm-hmm.

: 1816

00:58:37,814 --> 00:58:38,144

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1817

00:58:38,144 --> 00:58:38,564

Remember Staus?

: 1818

00:58:39,224 --> 00:58:39,464

Katie: Yeah.

: 1819

00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:40,719

Ryan Rebalkin: Nobody

: 1820

00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:41,979

saw Snuffle Leus by big

: 1821

00:58:41,999 --> 00:58:42,419

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1822

00:58:42,429 --> 00:58:43,929

Ryan Rebalkin: So objectively everyone

: 1823

00:58:43,929 --> 00:58:44,589

could just say, big bird.

: 1824

00:58:44,589 --> 00:58:45,279

You're crazy.

: 1825

00:58:45,279 --> 00:58:47,049

You keep talking about this

big elephant creature that

: 1826

00:58:47,049 --> 00:58:48,279

walks around and talks to you.

: 1827

00:58:48,519 --> 00:58:51,129

Nobody saw Snuffle Leus, but

big bird was, he was just here.

: 1828

00:58:51,129 --> 00:58:51,879

You just missed him.

: 1829

00:58:52,049 --> 00:58:52,469

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1830

00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:53,259

Ryan Rebalkin: everyone just

: 1831

00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:54,009

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1832

00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:54,609

Ryan Rebalkin: creature.

: 1833

00:58:54,629 --> 00:58:55,049

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1834

00:58:55,209 --> 00:58:55,509

Ryan Rebalkin: what I mean,

: 1835

00:58:55,689 --> 00:59:01,059

this Santa character, everything

he's saying, everyone around

: 1836

00:59:01,059 --> 00:59:02,559

him is like, he's not done.

: 1837

00:59:02,649 --> 00:59:04,479

He could just be alerted, man.

: 1838

00:59:04,539 --> 00:59:07,899

He could also just be a little bit

crazy, but that's what I love about it

: 1839

00:59:07,899 --> 00:59:13,479

is that the point, is it's the message

of Christmas that's real, not the

: 1840

00:59:13,479 --> 00:59:16,749

actual entity that all these things that

happened, the film happened because people

: 1841

00:59:16,749 --> 00:59:19,209

believed in the spirit of Christmas.

: 1842

00:59:19,972 --> 00:59:20,512

Katie: Yes.

: 1843

00:59:21,232 --> 00:59:21,442

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1844

00:59:21,647 --> 00:59:22,067

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1845

00:59:22,132 --> 00:59:23,302

Ryan Rebalkin: did I get,

did I get the message?

: 1846

00:59:23,302 --> 00:59:23,572

Did I

: 1847

00:59:23,637 --> 00:59:24,117

The messages?

: 1848

00:59:24,362 --> 00:59:24,652

Katie: done.

: 1849

00:59:24,742 --> 00:59:25,827

We're done with the episode.

: 1850

00:59:25,827 --> 00:59:26,397

No, I'm just kidding.

: 1851

00:59:27,057 --> 00:59:28,767

No, that's, that's totally valid.

: 1852

00:59:29,017 --> 00:59:32,867

I will say I wanna get to some more

of the comparisons with the original.

: 1853

00:59:33,347 --> 00:59:38,957

But I did think the cast in this, it

really stood out to me like for a, because

: 1854

00:59:38,957 --> 00:59:40,517

I don't really remember watching this.

: 1855

00:59:40,517 --> 00:59:41,897

And so, you know, yeah.

: 1856

00:59:41,897 --> 00:59:43,712

We talked about Richard,

Richard Attenborough, Elizabeth

: 1857

00:59:43,712 --> 00:59:45,137

Perkins, di Dylan McDermott,

: 1858

00:59:45,467 --> 00:59:48,587

JT Walsh plays the prosecutor here.

: 1859

00:59:48,977 --> 00:59:49,337

We,

: 1860

00:59:49,727 --> 00:59:50,447

Ryan Rebalkin: before he died.

: 1861

00:59:50,717 --> 00:59:52,217

Katie: he was, he was.

: 1862

00:59:52,217 --> 00:59:54,167

And we talked about 'em last

season because he was in

: 1863

00:59:54,167 --> 00:59:56,447

four Kurt Russell movies.

: 1864

00:59:56,717 --> 00:59:59,267

Ryan Rebalkin: That's what

I, he was in a few good men.

: 1865

00:59:59,297 --> 01:00:03,557

Like I, I just, he said actors,

like he's everywhere and a poor guy.

: 1866

01:00:03,557 --> 01:00:03,707

Oh.

: 1867

01:00:03,797 --> 01:00:07,847

I don't remember how he

died, but at the age of 54.

: 1868

01:00:08,397 --> 01:00:09,207

Just looking quickly

: 1869

01:00:09,522 --> 01:00:11,862

Katie: Heart attack or cancer

probably, I'm guessing.

: 1870

01:00:12,072 --> 01:00:12,252

Mm-hmm.

: 1871

01:00:12,267 --> 01:00:14,877

Ryan Rebalkin: sucks 'cause he was

just one of those working actors and

: 1872

01:00:14,982 --> 01:00:15,402

Katie: There's

: 1873

01:00:15,452 --> 01:00:16,857

Ryan Rebalkin: the perfect

where he doesn't have to

: 1874

01:00:16,857 --> 01:00:18,387

carry the film, but he is in every film.

: 1875

01:00:18,522 --> 01:00:19,632

Katie: he and he's good.

: 1876

01:00:19,632 --> 01:00:20,982

He's, there are a lot of those.

: 1877

01:00:20,982 --> 01:00:25,102

I will say this cast is full of

those really solid working actors

: 1878

01:00:25,102 --> 01:00:28,942

where you,, they're not the

go-to like leading man or woman.

: 1879

01:00:28,992 --> 01:00:30,912

So there's also James Remar

: 1880

01:00:31,347 --> 01:00:31,887

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes.

: 1881

01:00:32,022 --> 01:00:34,002

Katie: as so, yeah.

: 1882

01:00:34,122 --> 01:00:34,542

Yes.

: 1883

01:00:34,752 --> 01:00:37,962

So he, plays Jack Duff,

he's one of the guys.

: 1884

01:00:37,962 --> 01:00:42,882

So there's a competing department store,

shoppers Express, and we're introduced

: 1885

01:00:42,882 --> 01:00:47,922

to its founder Victor Landberg, I

wanna say with like evil music, you

: 1886

01:00:47,922 --> 01:00:51,792

know, like we, and he's, you know,

he's trying to, that's a very nineties,

: 1887

01:00:51,942 --> 01:00:54,372

nineties thing he's trying to take over.

: 1888

01:00:55,032 --> 01:00:58,542

It's, it's Kohl's in this, not

Macy's, and we'll get to that.

: 1889

01:00:58,622 --> 01:00:59,072

Ryan Rebalkin: Right?

: 1890

01:00:59,132 --> 01:01:02,432

Katie: was Macy's in the original,

but they didn't get the rights, like

: 1891

01:01:02,522 --> 01:01:04,382

they didn't bother to get copyright.

: 1892

01:01:04,652 --> 01:01:04,982

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

: 1893

01:01:04,982 --> 01:01:05,732

Apparently they did.

: 1894

01:01:05,732 --> 01:01:08,192

The Macy's didn't believe they

should do it on the remake.

: 1895

01:01:08,192 --> 01:01:09,122

They were anti the remake,

: 1896

01:01:09,122 --> 01:01:09,662

Katie: They were,

: 1897

01:01:10,082 --> 01:01:10,142

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

: 1898

01:01:10,262 --> 01:01:11,882

Katie: so, they just changed it to Kohl's.

: 1899

01:01:11,962 --> 01:01:15,172

So, and that's, that is something

that's different that bit.

: 1900

01:01:15,442 --> 01:01:19,582

The, the competing store is not

at all part of the original.

: 1901

01:01:19,702 --> 01:01:24,432

There's a completely different way

that that they're trying to get Chris

: 1902

01:01:24,432 --> 01:01:27,492

Kringle committed to the mental hospital.

: 1903

01:01:27,662 --> 01:01:29,162

So that was really interesting.

: 1904

01:01:29,552 --> 01:01:34,082

It was like a guy that worked at

Macy's who somehow is in charge

: 1905

01:01:34,082 --> 01:01:38,492

of, like evaluating people's

mental acuity to work at Macy's.

: 1906

01:01:38,597 --> 01:01:43,352

And, and he was convinced, you know,

so he was kind of the evil guy instead.

: 1907

01:01:43,352 --> 01:01:44,432

So that was the original.

: 1908

01:01:45,282 --> 01:01:49,212

So James Remar plays Jack

Duff, one of Berg's people.

: 1909

01:01:49,242 --> 01:01:51,732

Also Jane Leaves plays the other one.

: 1910

01:01:51,732 --> 01:01:55,452

So there's two kind of like quote

unquote, you know, they're not like

: 1911

01:01:55,452 --> 01:01:57,282

bad guys, but they play for the

: 1912

01:01:57,717 --> 01:01:58,137

Ryan Rebalkin: right?

: 1913

01:01:58,182 --> 01:01:59,472

Katie: antagonist, I guess.

: 1914

01:01:59,552 --> 01:02:00,122

So

: 1915

01:02:00,752 --> 01:02:01,532

Dexter's dad

: 1916

01:02:02,072 --> 01:02:02,942

Ryan Rebalkin: Dexter's dad,

: 1917

01:02:02,942 --> 01:02:04,792

and Perry Gilpen, is that her name?

: 1918

01:02:04,852 --> 01:02:06,082

No, that's the other actress.

: 1919

01:02:06,122 --> 01:02:06,902

Frazier's,

: 1920

01:02:07,297 --> 01:02:09,742

Katie: so Jane Leaves plays Daphne.

: 1921

01:02:09,772 --> 01:02:11,482

She plays Daphne

: 1922

01:02:11,812 --> 01:02:12,712

on Frazier.

: 1923

01:02:12,952 --> 01:02:14,902

Ryan Rebalkin: And she had a very small

role, this, which is weird 'cause I

: 1924

01:02:14,902 --> 01:02:16,792

believe Frazier was out of this time.

: 1925

01:02:16,792 --> 01:02:18,922

So I'm 94.

: 1926

01:02:18,922 --> 01:02:20,122

Frazier must have been started.

: 1927

01:02:20,542 --> 01:02:22,932

Katie: It might, it maybe didn't

get big yet, or, you know,

: 1928

01:02:22,932 --> 01:02:24,052

maybe, you know, this came out.

: 1929

01:02:24,257 --> 01:02:26,417

She was probably doing

both at the same time.

: 1930

01:02:26,417 --> 01:02:26,927

Ryan Rebalkin: right.

: 1931

01:02:26,927 --> 01:02:32,447

Fraser's premiered in 93, but so that year

: 1932

01:02:32,537 --> 01:02:33,167

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1933

01:02:33,557 --> 01:02:34,367

Ryan Rebalkin: the same time.

: 1934

01:02:34,457 --> 01:02:37,667

But still she, that, I dunno,

that show was always big, I

: 1935

01:02:37,667 --> 01:02:38,447

think at the very beginning.

: 1936

01:02:38,447 --> 01:02:38,687

I think it

: 1937

01:02:38,702 --> 01:02:39,122

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1938

01:02:39,227 --> 01:02:40,667

Ryan Rebalkin: all that being

said, it was weird seeing her in

: 1939

01:02:40,667 --> 01:02:43,817

this role playing day, playing

a, not a very nice person.

: 1940

01:02:43,847 --> 01:02:45,497

'cause she's such a sweetheart in Frazier,

: 1941

01:02:45,552 --> 01:02:46,882

Katie: Well, I loved her.

: 1942

01:02:46,912 --> 01:02:48,022

I don't love Frazier.

: 1943

01:02:48,292 --> 01:02:48,862

Ryan Rebalkin: I'm a huge, I'm

: 1944

01:02:48,877 --> 01:02:49,867

Katie: I know you are,

: 1945

01:02:49,912 --> 01:02:50,692

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1946

01:02:50,722 --> 01:02:50,752

Okay.

: 1947

01:02:51,067 --> 01:02:55,287

Katie: Jane leaves plays

joy in hot in Cleveland.

: 1948

01:02:55,617 --> 01:02:56,127

Ryan Rebalkin: haven't seen

: 1949

01:02:56,217 --> 01:02:56,667

Katie: It's,

: 1950

01:02:56,817 --> 01:02:57,057

Ryan Rebalkin: mo

: 1951

01:02:57,057 --> 01:02:58,617

Katie: it's very good.

: 1952

01:02:58,617 --> 01:02:59,697

It's essentially

: 1953

01:03:00,357 --> 01:03:01,317

Golden Girls.

: 1954

01:03:02,007 --> 01:03:02,577

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1955

01:03:02,847 --> 01:03:05,007

Katie: in, you know, with

where Betty White actually

: 1956

01:03:05,007 --> 01:03:06,627

plays like a gettis, like it's,

: 1957

01:03:07,137 --> 01:03:08,517

but it's more modernized.

: 1958

01:03:08,517 --> 01:03:11,577

The girls are from la they end

up living in Cleveland and joy

: 1959

01:03:11,577 --> 01:03:13,017

is sort of the Blanche character

: 1960

01:03:13,497 --> 01:03:13,947

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 1961

01:03:13,947 --> 01:03:15,147

Katie: played by Jane leaves in this.

: 1962

01:03:15,147 --> 01:03:17,277

So she's, she's in tons of things.

: 1963

01:03:17,277 --> 01:03:17,877

These are,

: 1964

01:03:18,297 --> 01:03:18,687

you know,

: 1965

01:03:18,777 --> 01:03:19,047

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1966

01:03:19,507 --> 01:03:19,867

Katie: Yeah.

: 1967

01:03:19,917 --> 01:03:20,107

Ryan Rebalkin: I,

: 1968

01:03:20,107 --> 01:03:21,247

just, I love seeing this

: 1969

01:03:21,247 --> 01:03:23,617

the young the young, because

I'm a big Dexter fan, so when I

: 1970

01:03:23,617 --> 01:03:26,947

saw Dexter's dad, I was like, it

was just weird seeing him like

: 1971

01:03:27,277 --> 01:03:28,537

Katie: Young, younger.

: 1972

01:03:28,537 --> 01:03:28,867

Yeah.

: 1973

01:03:29,257 --> 01:03:31,057

Well, and he's a, he's

another one of those.

: 1974

01:03:31,642 --> 01:03:33,382

He kind of did, but a younger version.

: 1975

01:03:33,412 --> 01:03:33,742

Yeah.

: 1976

01:03:33,772 --> 01:03:34,732

Yeah, that's true.

: 1977

01:03:35,122 --> 01:03:36,982

He has over 200 acting credits too.

: 1978

01:03:36,982 --> 01:03:38,452

So he's kind of one of those.

: 1979

01:03:39,412 --> 01:03:40,402

Ryan Rebalkin: I've

said it a hundred times.

: 1980

01:03:40,402 --> 01:03:41,122

I don't mind repeating it.

: 1981

01:03:41,152 --> 01:03:41,482

That's

: 1982

01:03:41,482 --> 01:03:43,312

the, you don't wanna be Tom

Cruise, you don't wanna be

: 1983

01:03:43,522 --> 01:03:44,032

Katie: agreed.

: 1984

01:03:44,162 --> 01:03:45,412

Ryan Rebalkin: you kind of want to be

: 1985

01:03:45,412 --> 01:03:48,562

like, if you're going to like, because

you get to be in films and TV and act and

: 1986

01:03:48,562 --> 01:03:50,122

have a good time, but you can go shopping.

: 1987

01:03:50,547 --> 01:03:50,967

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 1988

01:03:51,472 --> 01:03:51,712

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 1989

01:03:51,957 --> 01:03:52,247

Katie: Yeah.

: 1990

01:03:53,152 --> 01:03:56,692

The only reason I'm bringing

up Simon Jones, who plays Mr.

: 1991

01:03:56,692 --> 01:04:00,372

Shell Hammer, and he is he's like

either the, the manager of the

: 1992

01:04:00,372 --> 01:04:02,382

Macy's or the toy department manager.

: 1993

01:04:02,382 --> 01:04:06,672

I don't, I'm not entirely certain, but

he plays Shell Hammer very specific name.

: 1994

01:04:06,912 --> 01:04:07,602

Ryan Rebalkin: bigger guy.

: 1995

01:04:08,237 --> 01:04:10,542

Katie: No, he's the thin

guy with the mustache,

: 1996

01:04:11,082 --> 01:04:11,562

Ryan Rebalkin: okay.

: 1997

01:04:11,562 --> 01:04:11,742

Yeah.

: 1998

01:04:11,742 --> 01:04:12,072

Katie: that

: 1999

01:04:12,117 --> 01:04:12,437

Ryan Rebalkin: he in?

: 2000

01:04:12,552 --> 01:04:16,452

Katie: they, well, he was also

credited as playing the same name.

: 2001

01:04:16,482 --> 01:04:21,102

Shell Hammer in Matilda, same

guy plays the same character,

: 2002

01:04:21,537 --> 01:04:21,757

Ryan Rebalkin: So

: 2003

01:04:21,792 --> 01:04:22,092

Katie: least.

: 2004

01:04:22,092 --> 01:04:22,932

Ryan Rebalkin: both universes.

: 2005

01:04:23,947 --> 01:04:26,647

Katie: I'm sure I've seen Matilda,

but I don't recall anything from it.

: 2006

01:04:26,647 --> 01:04:29,077

So I don't know if it was just

coincidental or if that, you know,

: 2007

01:04:29,497 --> 01:04:30,037

anyway.

: 2008

01:04:30,217 --> 01:04:30,547

Yeah.

: 2009

01:04:30,682 --> 01:04:33,112

Ryan Rebalkin: you recognize a

one cameo there by Allison Jan?

: 2010

01:04:33,937 --> 01:04:37,687

Katie: Oh, I couldn't

love Alice and Janni more.

: 2011

01:04:38,137 --> 01:04:41,987

She plays the woman and and

her accent she's just so good.

: 2012

01:04:42,437 --> 01:04:47,207

She's credited as the woman, but she's

the brazen woman shopper where she's

: 2013

01:04:47,252 --> 01:04:48,362

Ryan Rebalkin: the Santa or whatever.

: 2014

01:04:48,617 --> 01:04:51,017

Katie: he's telling us where

to get, telling shell hammer.

: 2015

01:04:51,017 --> 01:04:54,017

He's, you know, he's telling,

and that, that character does

: 2016

01:04:54,017 --> 01:04:55,487

exist in the original as well.

: 2017

01:04:56,067 --> 01:04:58,957

So at first you're like, oh crap,

they're gonna sack Chris Cringle

: 2018

01:04:58,957 --> 01:05:02,587

because telling people where to get

their kids shit that they want cheaper,

: 2019

01:05:02,887 --> 01:05:03,237

Ryan Rebalkin: Right.

: 2020

01:05:03,367 --> 01:05:07,807

Katie: then somehow in this

magical universe that makes them

: 2021

01:05:08,197 --> 01:05:12,217

a more loyal shopper, which in

real life wouldn't, wouldn't,

: 2022

01:05:12,322 --> 01:05:12,862

Ryan Rebalkin: No,

: 2023

01:05:13,147 --> 01:05:13,477

Katie: happen.

: 2024

01:05:13,477 --> 01:05:16,537

You'd be like, okay, so everything

here is more expensive, but.

: 2025

01:05:16,912 --> 01:05:19,132

In the movie world That works.

: 2026

01:05:19,132 --> 01:05:20,812

What do you like her and

what are you familiar with?

: 2027

01:05:20,812 --> 01:05:22,732

Ryan Rebalkin: I, I've, it's

funny, I never watched The West

: 2028

01:05:22,732 --> 01:05:24,922

Wing, which I know I have to

watch 'cause I love Martin Sheen.

: 2029

01:05:24,922 --> 01:05:25,852

I love politics.

: 2030

01:05:26,152 --> 01:05:26,422

Katie: Same.

: 2031

01:05:26,422 --> 01:05:27,592

Maybe we should cover it, Ryan.

: 2032

01:05:28,342 --> 01:05:29,212

Ryan Rebalkin: That'd be fantastic.

: 2033

01:05:29,212 --> 01:05:30,942

I, I, and I know it's already years

: 2034

01:05:31,047 --> 01:05:31,467

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2035

01:05:31,572 --> 01:05:32,862

Ryan Rebalkin: ended, but the point is, I

: 2036

01:05:32,862 --> 01:05:36,692

love I love politics and I, and

I love those type of dramas,

: 2037

01:05:36,692 --> 01:05:37,682

but I just never saw it.

: 2038

01:05:38,072 --> 01:05:39,392

However, I loved her.

: 2039

01:05:39,392 --> 01:05:41,282

I watched the, the Comedy show Mom

: 2040

01:05:41,397 --> 01:05:41,817

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2041

01:05:42,422 --> 01:05:43,112

Ryan Rebalkin: I love her in that.

: 2042

01:05:43,112 --> 01:05:43,352

I thought

: 2043

01:05:43,352 --> 01:05:44,102

she was great in it

: 2044

01:05:44,117 --> 01:05:44,587

Katie: She's great.

: 2045

01:05:44,912 --> 01:05:45,962

Ryan Rebalkin: her, and she was

: 2046

01:05:45,962 --> 01:05:46,682

fantastic in that.

: 2047

01:05:46,682 --> 01:05:50,792

So I just fell in love with her because

that's Chuck Roper, what's his name?

: 2048

01:05:50,792 --> 01:05:51,062

Chuck

: 2049

01:05:51,096 --> 01:05:51,447

Katie: Chuck

: 2050

01:05:51,517 --> 01:05:51,807

Lori?

: 2051

01:05:52,037 --> 01:05:52,327

Yeah.

: 2052

01:05:52,327 --> 01:05:52,727

Mm-hmm.

: 2053

01:05:53,102 --> 01:05:55,802

Ryan Rebalkin: I know it's the Chuck

Laurie made show, but it's great.

: 2054

01:05:55,802 --> 01:05:58,322

She's great in it along with,

yeah, her daughter played by

: 2055

01:05:58,372 --> 01:05:58,492

Katie: Yeah.

: 2056

01:05:58,492 --> 01:05:59,542

I don't love her as much.

: 2057

01:05:59,542 --> 01:06:00,172

The blonde

: 2058

01:06:00,252 --> 01:06:00,822

yeah.

: 2059

01:06:00,882 --> 01:06:01,032

Ryan Rebalkin: But

: 2060

01:06:01,092 --> 01:06:02,742

Katie: Anna Ferris is her name.

: 2061

01:06:02,832 --> 01:06:02,982

Mm-hmm.

: 2062

01:06:03,102 --> 01:06:05,742

Ryan Rebalkin: the, characters in

in Mom, the, the, her, the Friends

: 2063

01:06:05,742 --> 01:06:08,952

of Alice and Jan's character are,

they're such a fun ca It's a fun

: 2064

01:06:09,052 --> 01:06:09,142

It

: 2065

01:06:09,247 --> 01:06:09,727

Katie: I agree.

: 2066

01:06:09,727 --> 01:06:15,187

I like that aspect way more than Anna

Ferris's part, so I think they've

: 2067

01:06:15,187 --> 01:06:17,857

really expanded Alice and Janney

from the beginning to where it is.

: 2068

01:06:18,397 --> 01:06:18,907

But

: 2069

01:06:19,132 --> 01:06:19,596

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, yeah, yeah,

: 2070

01:06:19,627 --> 01:06:23,107

Katie: speaking of Tanya

Harding earlier in the trivia,

: 2071

01:06:23,587 --> 01:06:26,587

Alice and Janney plays

Margot Robbie's mom.

: 2072

01:06:26,617 --> 01:06:28,687

Like she plays Tanya Harding's mom

: 2073

01:06:28,942 --> 01:06:29,182

Ryan Rebalkin: Full

: 2074

01:06:29,197 --> 01:06:30,127

Katie: in that.

: 2075

01:06:30,177 --> 01:06:32,187

And she won an Oscar for that role.

: 2076

01:06:32,742 --> 01:06:33,012

Ryan Rebalkin: That's

: 2077

01:06:33,687 --> 01:06:34,272

Katie: Alice and Jenny.

: 2078

01:06:34,812 --> 01:06:35,682

Ryan Rebalkin: I have to watch that

: 2079

01:06:35,682 --> 01:06:36,042

now.

: 2080

01:06:36,852 --> 01:06:37,122

Yeah.

: 2081

01:06:38,317 --> 01:06:42,096

Katie: There's a few other like, oh,

it's that person, working characters

: 2082

01:06:42,096 --> 01:06:45,367

that are familiar from things that

we, maybe they weren't then, but

: 2083

01:06:45,367 --> 01:06:47,707

now rewatching it 30 years later.

: 2084

01:06:48,037 --> 01:06:54,757

Catherine Arducci is in this just a little

bit and she has a very thick, you know,

: 2085

01:06:54,757 --> 01:07:00,607

like New York Italian accent and that's

kind of who she plays in everything.

: 2086

01:07:01,312 --> 01:07:01,582

Ryan Rebalkin: okay.

: 2087

01:07:01,582 --> 01:07:03,532

I didn't recognize her from anything.

: 2088

01:07:04,207 --> 01:07:04,927

Katie: She,

: 2089

01:07:04,971 --> 01:07:05,062

Ryan Rebalkin: but.

: 2090

01:07:05,287 --> 01:07:05,737

Katie: yes.

: 2091

01:07:05,737 --> 01:07:11,167

So you'd know her because she

played Charmaine Buco in Sopranos

: 2092

01:07:11,287 --> 01:07:12,517

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, okay.

: 2093

01:07:12,577 --> 01:07:13,507

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 2094

01:07:13,507 --> 01:07:13,517

yeah.

: 2095

01:07:13,596 --> 01:07:14,707

Katie: she's also in like a,

: 2096

01:07:14,767 --> 01:07:14,887

Ryan Rebalkin: that

: 2097

01:07:15,096 --> 01:07:17,047

Katie: a Bronx Tale, Jersey Boys Irishman.

: 2098

01:07:17,047 --> 01:07:19,777

Like she plays that, that

kind of a character a lot.

: 2099

01:07:19,807 --> 01:07:23,647

Ryan Rebalkin: And she was, she's a

lovely woman, so I, she, it's where

: 2100

01:07:23,647 --> 01:07:25,837

my brain, when I saw her goes, oh,

she looks familiar, but I didn't

: 2101

01:07:25,837 --> 01:07:26,977

know if it was just that classic

: 2102

01:07:28,622 --> 01:07:29,042

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2103

01:07:29,617 --> 01:07:30,127

Ryan Rebalkin: Bronx,

: 2104

01:07:30,187 --> 01:07:30,487

Katie: it.

: 2105

01:07:30,547 --> 01:07:31,027

Yep.

: 2106

01:07:31,117 --> 01:07:31,537

Yeah.

: 2107

01:07:31,627 --> 01:07:31,777

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2108

01:07:31,777 --> 01:07:32,977

she nails that role very

: 2109

01:07:33,172 --> 01:07:33,922

Katie: She does.

: 2110

01:07:34,027 --> 01:07:34,177

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2111

01:07:34,327 --> 01:07:34,507

Yeah.

: 2112

01:07:34,702 --> 01:07:37,072

Katie: Then there's Peter

Garrity who plays the cop.

: 2113

01:07:37,122 --> 01:07:40,212

He's a super well-known

character actor, sneaky Pete

: 2114

01:07:40,212 --> 01:07:41,802

The Wire, Charlie Wilson's War,

: 2115

01:07:41,877 --> 01:07:42,807

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes, yes,

: 2116

01:07:43,122 --> 01:07:46,212

Katie: and Jack McGee

plays the drunk Santa.

: 2117

01:07:46,252 --> 01:07:50,942

So he has a pretty, pretty

big role in this I would say.

: 2118

01:07:51,362 --> 01:07:54,152

And he's another one of those

super familiar faces, right?

: 2119

01:07:54,467 --> 01:07:54,917

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh yeah.

: 2120

01:07:54,917 --> 01:07:55,157

Yeah.

: 2121

01:07:55,157 --> 01:07:56,447

He recognized him for sure.

: 2122

01:07:56,527 --> 01:07:57,757

I, what was he?

: 2123

01:07:57,846 --> 01:08:00,337

He was in a TV show called Brooklyn

South that I liked that was,

: 2124

01:08:00,892 --> 01:08:01,912

Katie: Oh, I didn't see that.

: 2125

01:08:01,987 --> 01:08:03,096

Ryan Rebalkin: plays like a cops.

: 2126

01:08:03,096 --> 01:08:03,787

A lot of that type of

: 2127

01:08:04,012 --> 01:08:04,312

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2128

01:08:04,612 --> 01:08:04,792

Yeah.

: 2129

01:08:04,792 --> 01:08:06,502

It was the sheriff in basic instinct.

: 2130

01:08:06,937 --> 01:08:07,687

Ryan Rebalkin: there you go.

: 2131

01:08:07,837 --> 01:08:08,227

Yeah.

: 2132

01:08:08,422 --> 01:08:08,812

Katie: he,

: 2133

01:08:09,307 --> 01:08:10,357

Ryan Rebalkin: there's one scene where

: 2134

01:08:10,357 --> 01:08:10,657

He,

: 2135

01:08:10,657 --> 01:08:14,287

of course, where they faked the

assault or he antagonizes Santa

: 2136

01:08:14,362 --> 01:08:14,902

Katie: mm-hmm.

: 2137

01:08:15,007 --> 01:08:16,267

Ryan Rebalkin: to,

assault him in the street.

: 2138

01:08:16,297 --> 01:08:20,527

'cause he, I I, was uncomfortable

when he is saying you like kids.

: 2139

01:08:20,527 --> 01:08:22,267

Is that why you're a Santa?

: 2140

01:08:22,267 --> 01:08:23,797

'cause you like touching kids type thing.

: 2141

01:08:23,797 --> 01:08:24,697

Holy crap.

: 2142

01:08:24,697 --> 01:08:26,077

I don't think that was

in the original, was it

: 2143

01:08:26,812 --> 01:08:32,461

Katie: No, because like I said, the way

that Santa is proved to be mentally ill

: 2144

01:08:32,461 --> 01:08:35,971

and therefore needs to be committed,

there is a guy like an antagonist, but

: 2145

01:08:35,971 --> 01:08:38,372

he, it's a completely different storyline.

: 2146

01:08:38,982 --> 01:08:39,702

Ryan Rebalkin: Couldn't

believe they went there.

: 2147

01:08:39,702 --> 01:08:40,392

I know, but I was

: 2148

01:08:40,392 --> 01:08:45,567

like, even 20, 25 wise, this

is: 1994

: 2149

01:08:45,567 --> 01:08:45,987

You know?

: 2150

01:08:45,987 --> 01:08:47,697

That's why you like doing this

'cause you like the little

: 2151

01:08:47,697 --> 01:08:48,447

ones or something like that.

: 2152

01:08:48,447 --> 01:08:50,336

I can't, he didn't say kids

like little ones or little.

: 2153

01:08:50,426 --> 01:08:50,877

What did he say

: 2154

01:08:50,982 --> 01:08:53,322

Katie: I mean, he was implying

that, I mean, he, 'cause he, he was,

: 2155

01:08:53,381 --> 01:08:56,591

he had to go there to get a rise

out of this sweet old man that is

: 2156

01:08:56,591 --> 01:08:58,362

Santa Claus to, for him to be like,

: 2157

01:08:59,127 --> 01:09:01,227

Ryan Rebalkin: this is the part where

you could argue, if you wanna be, look

: 2158

01:09:01,227 --> 01:09:04,346

at this objectively like a lawyer,

you know, like reasonable doubt.

: 2159

01:09:04,977 --> 01:09:11,187

The way Santa, the character Chris Kringle

acted in that moment by striking him

: 2160

01:09:11,187 --> 01:09:15,777

with a cane, even though he was being

insinuated that he was a, a molester, a

: 2161

01:09:16,027 --> 01:09:16,247

Katie: Mm.

: 2162

01:09:17,997 --> 01:09:19,977

Ryan Rebalkin: I almost believe the real

Santa still wouldn't have done that.

: 2163

01:09:19,977 --> 01:09:24,237

So that's a case in point where

maybe he, I, if you want to be,

: 2164

01:09:24,357 --> 01:09:28,197

that might have been an Easter

egg done by John Hugs saying, Hey.

: 2165

01:09:29,247 --> 01:09:32,336

If you want to be on the side of the

fence that this guy isn't Santa, I'd

: 2166

01:09:32,336 --> 01:09:37,407

think that action is a, you know, exhibit

A, that behavior isn't very Santa like

: 2167

01:09:37,437 --> 01:09:38,966

even if he's been called to those things.

: 2168

01:09:38,966 --> 01:09:43,947

The fact that, and the way he did act

Doty and kind of like weirdly sure,

: 2169

01:09:43,947 --> 01:09:48,437

whatever you say, a lawyer like say

Santa should be smarter than that.

: 2170

01:09:48,437 --> 01:09:49,547

He's been around forever.

: 2171

01:09:49,636 --> 01:09:50,057

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2172

01:09:50,147 --> 01:09:51,466

Ryan Rebalkin: fact, it was at that

: 2173

01:09:51,466 --> 01:09:54,167

moment Katie, where I

thought, maybe he isn't Santa.

: 2174

01:09:54,317 --> 01:09:57,527

That's, 'cause that's also the

point of this film is that again,

: 2175

01:09:57,767 --> 01:09:59,567

there is no, Santa isn't real.

: 2176

01:09:59,567 --> 01:10:00,722

The reality is Santa is

: 2177

01:10:01,837 --> 01:10:02,327

Katie: spoiler.

: 2178

01:10:02,327 --> 01:10:02,927

alert guys.

: 2179

01:10:04,637 --> 01:10:07,127

Ryan Rebalkin: Santa's not a

real thing, but that's what makes

: 2180

01:10:07,127 --> 01:10:08,957

this movie ironically kind of

: 2181

01:10:10,297 --> 01:10:11,027

Katie: there's layers.

: 2182

01:10:11,057 --> 01:10:11,687

Ryan Rebalkin: interesting.

: 2183

01:10:11,792 --> 01:10:12,962

Katie: upon layers a little bit.

: 2184

01:10:12,962 --> 01:10:13,322

Yeah.

: 2185

01:10:13,427 --> 01:10:13,697

Ryan Rebalkin: layers.

: 2186

01:10:13,882 --> 01:10:15,437

It's not, it's not as simple as you think.

: 2187

01:10:15,437 --> 01:10:19,547

'cause you as the viewer like, am I, I

just gonna buy that this guy is Santa.

: 2188

01:10:19,547 --> 01:10:23,737

So that's, i, again, exhibit A, that

this guy may, maybe isn't Santa.

: 2189

01:10:23,737 --> 01:10:24,937

That's the biggest piece of evidence.

: 2190

01:10:24,997 --> 01:10:30,037

The physical assault on your, because even

he, he, he trapped me, antagonized me.

: 2191

01:10:30,087 --> 01:10:31,077

Santa, come on man.

: 2192

01:10:31,077 --> 01:10:32,877

You be like, you should

be better than that.

: 2193

01:10:33,627 --> 01:10:34,557

You should have ignored it.

: 2194

01:10:34,557 --> 01:10:35,217

Walk away.

: 2195

01:10:35,217 --> 01:10:36,087

Don't give into it.

: 2196

01:10:36,482 --> 01:10:37,347

Katie: I thought so too.

: 2197

01:10:37,347 --> 01:10:39,087

I was like, oh crap,

they're gonna get him.

: 2198

01:10:39,147 --> 01:10:39,837

Ryan Rebalkin: reaction.

: 2199

01:10:40,167 --> 01:10:42,477

Katie: You see it coming

like you're, because

: 2200

01:10:42,567 --> 01:10:43,077

Ryan Rebalkin: Sure.

: 2201

01:10:43,377 --> 01:10:46,707

Katie: the drunk Santa, you know,

James Remar character puts him

: 2202

01:10:46,707 --> 01:10:49,467

up to this obviously pays him to

do this and you're like, oh crap,

: 2203

01:10:49,467 --> 01:10:50,877

he's gonna make him do something.

: 2204

01:10:51,627 --> 01:10:54,387

And you could argue 'cause

it's a little unclear.

: 2205

01:10:54,387 --> 01:10:55,077

I do think he.

: 2206

01:10:55,617 --> 01:10:59,217

Does actually kind of strike him,

but you could also argue he just

: 2207

01:10:59,217 --> 01:11:04,557

lifts his cane because it's very, in

the original, it's less blatant that

: 2208

01:11:04,557 --> 01:11:06,087

he hits the person with his cane.

: 2209

01:11:06,087 --> 01:11:10,167

It's almost like kind of an accidental

thing that the person then gets hurt.

: 2210

01:11:10,857 --> 01:11:13,677

But then, so yes, yes.

: 2211

01:11:13,677 --> 01:11:19,287

It's like Santa wouldn't do that, but

then he fails the mental test on purpose

: 2212

01:11:19,287 --> 01:11:25,077

because he's, he realized he did something

that puts Santa in a bad light and he

: 2213

01:11:25,077 --> 01:11:27,567

wants the kids to believe in Santa.

: 2214

01:11:27,867 --> 01:11:30,627

Ryan Rebalkin: is such, where it's

that when you're crazy sometimes

: 2215

01:11:30,627 --> 01:11:34,257

you're crazy enough to understand

like the character that you're crazy.

: 2216

01:11:34,407 --> 01:11:38,997

Like it's not like it's weird,

like he's a functioning person.

: 2217

01:11:38,997 --> 01:11:42,387

It's all, like I said, objectively

speaking, all the evidence points to

: 2218

01:11:42,387 --> 01:11:47,187

the fact that this man just might be

a very sweet, mentally ill person.

: 2219

01:11:48,147 --> 01:11:48,957

You can be mentally

: 2220

01:11:48,957 --> 01:11:50,457

ill and very sweet and functioning

: 2221

01:11:51,087 --> 01:11:51,447

Katie: Well, that's

: 2222

01:11:51,537 --> 01:11:51,927

Ryan Rebalkin: movie does.

: 2223

01:11:52,107 --> 01:11:53,697

Katie: They point to that in the original.

: 2224

01:11:53,697 --> 01:11:56,067

They're like, he, you know,

he's, 'cause he lives at

: 2225

01:11:56,117 --> 01:12:00,047

a home for the elderly and the

doctor there is like, he's harmless.

: 2226

01:12:00,097 --> 01:12:03,337

He's like, I don't think he's mentally

ill, but even if he is, he's harmless.

: 2227

01:12:03,337 --> 01:12:10,707

So he says in the original, but in both,

he's charged with people wanting him

: 2228

01:12:10,707 --> 01:12:12,777

to be committed, taken out of society.

: 2229

01:12:13,227 --> 01:12:17,887

And what he does is he thinks he

is Santa and the kind of the point

: 2230

01:12:17,887 --> 01:12:24,127

of the movie that he is Santa, but

then he's like, I love children.

: 2231

01:12:24,127 --> 01:12:29,317

And the idea of Christmas so much that I'm

willing for people to, to think that I'm

: 2232

01:12:29,317 --> 01:12:32,227

not him, me, Chris Cringle, I'm not Santa.

: 2233

01:12:32,527 --> 01:12:39,467

So that your view of Santa, the

real Santa is is, is not dirtied.

: 2234

01:12:40,092 --> 01:12:40,442

Ryan Rebalkin: right.

: 2235

01:12:41,087 --> 01:12:41,387

Yeah.

: 2236

01:12:42,197 --> 01:12:43,937

it's, yeah.

: 2237

01:12:44,027 --> 01:12:49,157

I mean, Ryan believes he

Santa to the film, but

: 2238

01:12:49,317 --> 01:12:49,737

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2239

01:12:51,167 --> 01:12:51,737

Ryan Rebalkin: logical.

: 2240

01:12:51,737 --> 01:12:53,717

Ryan could also argue the point that.

: 2241

01:12:54,047 --> 01:12:57,077

They did the film well enough that you

don't know, and that's what actually

: 2242

01:12:57,077 --> 01:13:01,187

makes the film so good, is you the

viewer, get to decide what side of

: 2243

01:13:01,187 --> 01:13:04,517

the fence you're on, and that could

have changed your enjoyment of the

: 2244

01:13:04,517 --> 01:13:06,707

film or not if you actually believe

he's just a mentally ill person.

: 2245

01:13:06,707 --> 01:13:09,287

This film could have a different

experience for you, but I, of course,

: 2246

01:13:09,287 --> 01:13:12,617

I just bought in that yes, he's

Santa and the journey wasn't for him.

: 2247

01:13:12,617 --> 01:13:15,347

It was for the characters around him,

for the world around him to believe,

: 2248

01:13:15,347 --> 01:13:17,027

again, the spirit of Christmas, but yeah.

: 2249

01:13:17,432 --> 01:13:21,662

Katie: So again, having watched

both the, this movie hits you

: 2250

01:13:21,662 --> 01:13:22,802

more over the head with it.

: 2251

01:13:22,952 --> 01:13:25,322

At the end, the girl gets

all the things she wants.

: 2252

01:13:25,382 --> 01:13:30,252

She asks for three enormous things, a

brother, a father, and a home, a house.

: 2253

01:13:30,252 --> 01:13:35,962

And she ends up and we, they clearly show

us that she gets all of those things.

: 2254

01:13:36,322 --> 01:13:39,772

Well, I guess you could argue she's

not asking for, for material things.

: 2255

01:13:39,832 --> 01:13:42,772

So I think you're not meant

to get rich, get richer.

: 2256

01:13:42,862 --> 01:13:45,982

What you're supposed to get from this

is the corporate greed aspect of it.

: 2257

01:13:46,282 --> 01:13:52,312

And that she, the child wants innocent

things like family, so anyway, but.

: 2258

01:13:52,912 --> 01:13:55,522

They hit us over the head a

little bit more with this.

: 2259

01:13:55,522 --> 01:13:57,282

This is Santa, in this movie.

: 2260

01:13:57,282 --> 01:14:02,942

Whereas the original, the ending

is a lot quieter and more like

: 2261

01:14:02,972 --> 01:14:06,152

elegantly ambiguous in the original.

: 2262

01:14:06,482 --> 01:14:11,222

So it's less big emotional, made

to prove Santa more definitively.

: 2263

01:14:11,222 --> 01:14:11,762

The original

: 2264

01:14:11,812 --> 01:14:13,312

didn't necessarily do that.

: 2265

01:14:13,702 --> 01:14:14,062

Ryan Rebalkin: Right.

: 2266

01:14:14,902 --> 01:14:18,082

Katie: which do you like, feel

like it is more in the spirit

: 2267

01:14:18,082 --> 01:14:19,732

of the story or the holiday?

: 2268

01:14:20,312 --> 01:14:22,262

Ryan Rebalkin: Well, I mean, I

haven't seen the original in such

: 2269

01:14:22,262 --> 01:14:23,282

a long time, the way you're saying.

: 2270

01:14:23,282 --> 01:14:23,582

Of course.

: 2271

01:14:23,582 --> 01:14:26,972

I think the original probably has

that feeling, but yeah, I'm, gee, I

: 2272

01:14:26,972 --> 01:14:29,852

wish not, not that you, you ask me to.

: 2273

01:14:29,852 --> 01:14:30,422

It's just funny.

: 2274

01:14:30,422 --> 01:14:31,052

I literally just saw,

: 2275

01:14:31,147 --> 01:14:34,262

Katie: I just so happened to, I just,

so I, I know Les, I was like, oh, I hope

: 2276

01:14:34,262 --> 01:14:35,587

Brian's seen it 'cause I wanna, yeah.

: 2277

01:14:35,672 --> 01:14:37,982

Ryan Rebalkin: it's been, I have,

but it's funny, I think I've seen the

: 2278

01:14:37,982 --> 01:14:39,902

original first before I saw the remake, so

: 2279

01:14:39,907 --> 01:14:40,327

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2280

01:14:40,622 --> 01:14:41,372

Yeah, that makes sense.

: 2281

01:14:41,582 --> 01:14:42,002

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2282

01:14:42,032 --> 01:14:44,582

But that being said, I think both

just have a different message.

: 2283

01:14:44,582 --> 01:14:46,167

I can't really answer

that, I guess very well.

: 2284

01:14:46,167 --> 01:14:50,252

But I will say that this

movie a good Christmas movie.

: 2285

01:14:50,252 --> 01:14:52,172

I should maybe say that

this is a good movie.

: 2286

01:14:52,172 --> 01:14:53,552

I really did like this movie.

: 2287

01:14:53,832 --> 01:14:58,632

My biggest criticism, like I said at the

beginning, is just the, I get wrapped up.

: 2288

01:14:58,692 --> 01:14:59,292

I don't know what it is.

: 2289

01:14:59,292 --> 01:15:02,472

I get hyperfocused sometimes on

things of the, of characters.

: 2290

01:15:02,472 --> 01:15:05,292

So I'm like, I'm confused about

their relationship status.

: 2291

01:15:05,292 --> 01:15:06,102

And that bugs me.

: 2292

01:15:06,102 --> 01:15:07,512

It's like I shouldn't be confused.

: 2293

01:15:07,542 --> 01:15:07,782

'cause I

: 2294

01:15:08,077 --> 01:15:08,367

Katie: Yeah.

: 2295

01:15:08,412 --> 01:15:09,522

It's like, just let it be, Ryan.

: 2296

01:15:09,522 --> 01:15:09,882

Move on.

: 2297

01:15:09,882 --> 01:15:10,422

Let's move on.

: 2298

01:15:10,482 --> 01:15:12,762

Ryan Rebalkin: well, I know,

but then I think, am I an idiot?

: 2299

01:15:12,822 --> 01:15:14,202

Am I just a dumb viewer?

: 2300

01:15:14,202 --> 01:15:15,162

Like, why do I care?

: 2301

01:15:15,162 --> 01:15:18,972

Like why is it, why is their

relationship status so ambiguous?

: 2302

01:15:18,972 --> 01:15:22,722

But then she trusts him with the daughter

and she says, I love your daughter.

: 2303

01:15:22,722 --> 01:15:26,982

And she sees him as a father figure, but

then the woman's like, do I know you?

: 2304

01:15:27,072 --> 01:15:28,302

I felt like,

: 2305

01:15:28,597 --> 01:15:31,362

Katie: person has their own like

little things , regarding that.

: 2306

01:15:31,392 --> 01:15:31,782

Ryan Rebalkin: that.

: 2307

01:15:32,847 --> 01:15:35,817

did an amazing job

playing Chris k Cringle.

: 2308

01:15:35,847 --> 01:15:37,377

I thought he was adorable.

: 2309

01:15:37,437 --> 01:15:38,037

Sweet.

: 2310

01:15:38,247 --> 01:15:40,197

I hate to say it, but a sweet old man.

: 2311

01:15:40,242 --> 01:15:40,842

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2312

01:15:40,917 --> 01:15:41,877

Ryan Rebalkin: see how the world was

: 2313

01:15:41,877 --> 01:15:43,197

affected so nicely by him.

: 2314

01:15:43,197 --> 01:15:44,517

I thought he was perfectly cast.

: 2315

01:15:44,517 --> 01:15:47,727

I I thought he did a fantastic

job playing Chris k Cringle.

: 2316

01:15:47,727 --> 01:15:49,797

I, I don't know if we spoke much about

that, but I thought at the end of

: 2317

01:15:49,797 --> 01:15:51,717

the day, his performance was spot on.

: 2318

01:15:52,527 --> 01:15:56,217

I like how they made the film look

like a forties film with the lighting

: 2319

01:15:57,072 --> 01:15:57,462

Katie: Yeah.

: 2320

01:15:57,522 --> 01:15:58,062

Yeah,

: 2321

01:15:58,227 --> 01:15:58,407

Ryan Rebalkin: had

: 2322

01:15:58,422 --> 01:15:59,622

Katie: they, they did

: 2323

01:16:00,042 --> 01:16:00,762

very nice.

: 2324

01:16:01,017 --> 01:16:01,647

Ryan Rebalkin: And,

: 2325

01:16:01,812 --> 01:16:03,372

Katie: The original did that too, kind of.

: 2326

01:16:03,462 --> 01:16:03,792

Yeah.

: 2327

01:16:03,837 --> 01:16:04,617

Ryan Rebalkin: they said they did that on

: 2328

01:16:04,847 --> 01:16:05,267

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2329

01:16:05,367 --> 01:16:06,777

Ryan Rebalkin: to, and I know,

'cause I know I was watching

: 2330

01:16:06,777 --> 01:16:08,007

this, it was high def on my big

: 2331

01:16:08,247 --> 01:16:08,667

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2332

01:16:09,357 --> 01:16:10,077

Ryan Rebalkin: oh, this looks

: 2333

01:16:10,077 --> 01:16:10,617

really nice.

: 2334

01:16:10,707 --> 01:16:13,017

So the movie looked

really nice and modern.

: 2335

01:16:13,067 --> 01:16:14,447

Had a good film called to it.

: 2336

01:16:14,567 --> 01:16:18,767

I mean, a couple confusing plot points,

but overall I, I enjoyed this film.

: 2337

01:16:18,767 --> 01:16:21,732

I don't know if it's for kids in the

sense of like I said, I have a smart.

: 2338

01:16:22,122 --> 01:16:26,352

Kids that like to watch smart movies, but

my son tapped out, so what does that mean?

: 2339

01:16:26,352 --> 01:16:27,342

Maybe it's just not for him.

: 2340

01:16:27,342 --> 01:16:28,962

Maybe it's just too much girly stuff.

: 2341

01:16:28,992 --> 01:16:29,682

I don't know.

: 2342

01:16:30,012 --> 01:16:32,952

But he tapped out and he was bored, so I'm

: 2343

01:16:32,952 --> 01:16:35,232

Katie: even this is a

30-year-old movie for him.

: 2344

01:16:35,262 --> 01:16:35,892

Do you know what I mean?

: 2345

01:16:35,892 --> 01:16:37,842

Like a lot of kids can't watch

: 2346

01:16:38,232 --> 01:16:39,972

things that we used to watch too.

: 2347

01:16:39,972 --> 01:16:41,172

So I think there's a lot of it.

: 2348

01:16:41,202 --> 01:16:41,802

Ryan Rebalkin: kids do.

: 2349

01:16:41,802 --> 01:16:42,252

They do.

: 2350

01:16:42,252 --> 01:16:43,272

But I mean, I hear you.

: 2351

01:16:43,272 --> 01:16:43,692

But they do

: 2352

01:16:43,927 --> 01:16:44,347

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2353

01:16:44,592 --> 01:16:45,882

Ryan Rebalkin: we watch

Platoon the other day and they

: 2354

01:16:45,882 --> 01:16:46,302

loved it.

: 2355

01:16:46,302 --> 01:16:48,642

And that full metal jacket,

my, like my 11-year-old, he's

: 2356

01:16:48,642 --> 01:16:49,752

huge into war movies right now.

: 2357

01:16:49,752 --> 01:16:50,262

That's his thing.

: 2358

01:16:50,367 --> 01:16:50,787

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2359

01:16:50,922 --> 01:16:52,332

Ryan Rebalkin: War, which is

when I kind of got into war

: 2360

01:16:52,332 --> 01:16:53,472

movies when I was 11, 12.

: 2361

01:16:53,472 --> 01:16:56,252

So, but that being said, yeah,

this don't think I would've enjoyed

: 2362

01:16:56,252 --> 01:16:57,002

this movie as a 12-year-old.

: 2363

01:16:57,002 --> 01:16:57,392

There you go.

: 2364

01:16:57,632 --> 01:16:58,082

Katie: Okay.

: 2365

01:16:58,082 --> 01:17:01,352

Mm-hmm.

: 2366

01:17:01,442 --> 01:17:03,032

Ryan Rebalkin: dramas and big stories.

: 2367

01:17:03,482 --> 01:17:08,012

This would've bored me at 12, but

50-year-old Ryan, I got wrapped up in it.

: 2368

01:17:08,041 --> 01:17:08,822

So I

: 2369

01:17:08,897 --> 01:17:09,407

Katie: Yeah,

: 2370

01:17:09,692 --> 01:17:10,412

Ryan Rebalkin: I think

: 2371

01:17:10,802 --> 01:17:12,182

honestly it's an adult film.

: 2372

01:17:12,182 --> 01:17:13,262

I don't know if it's for kid.

: 2373

01:17:13,291 --> 01:17:14,282

I don't know.

: 2374

01:17:14,282 --> 01:17:15,662

I know there's Santa Chris gle.

: 2375

01:17:15,692 --> 01:17:18,182

I would suspect the original

probably would be more kid friendly.

: 2376

01:17:19,547 --> 01:17:23,447

Katie: it's not, it's not, it's, it's not,

I don't think it's more kid friendly, but,

: 2377

01:17:23,597 --> 01:17:25,337

but I do think the original is better.

: 2378

01:17:25,757 --> 01:17:26,117

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 2379

01:17:26,807 --> 01:17:27,827

Katie: and I'm not alone.

: 2380

01:17:28,097 --> 01:17:32,987

This movie, the 94 movie has a 6.6.

: 2381

01:17:33,497 --> 01:17:34,577

Yeah, 6.6.

: 2382

01:17:35,267 --> 01:17:36,257

Yeah, it is, it's good.

: 2383

01:17:36,452 --> 01:17:36,942

It's good.

: 2384

01:17:37,007 --> 01:17:37,697

Ryan Rebalkin: It's a c plus

: 2385

01:17:37,887 --> 01:17:44,961

Katie: Grading on a curve That's more like

a b almost meaning of movies, nobody's at

: 2386

01:17:44,961 --> 01:17:47,151

a hundred, like the best movie is a nine.

: 2387

01:17:48,261 --> 01:17:48,771

You know what I mean?

: 2388

01:17:49,461 --> 01:17:49,641

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2389

01:17:49,656 --> 01:17:51,636

Katie: Im Wise, so 6.6

: 2390

01:17:51,636 --> 01:17:55,236

is like close to seven, so

that's, that's pretty good.

: 2391

01:17:55,236 --> 01:17:56,106

That's pretty good.

: 2392

01:17:56,151 --> 01:17:56,511

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah.

: 2393

01:17:56,706 --> 01:17:58,446

Katie: like very few movies get

: 2394

01:17:58,966 --> 01:18:02,986

Into the eights, but the

original almost did it.

: 2395

01:18:03,016 --> 01:18:04,666

The original has a 7.9,

: 2396

01:18:04,996 --> 01:18:06,616

so fairly, significantly better.

: 2397

01:18:06,616 --> 01:18:07,996

And I would agree.

: 2398

01:18:08,596 --> 01:18:11,866

What is really interesting, I don't

know if, 'cause I watch subtitles

: 2399

01:18:11,866 --> 01:18:12,916

and I know that you do too.

: 2400

01:18:13,050 --> 01:18:13,711

Ryan Rebalkin: Yep, I did.

: 2401

01:18:13,711 --> 01:18:13,921

Yep.

: 2402

01:18:14,786 --> 01:18:18,446

Katie: And even in the, when I was

looking up the research, the 94 version

: 2403

01:18:18,446 --> 01:18:21,326

of Chris Kringle is spelled with two S's,

: 2404

01:18:21,611 --> 01:18:22,061

Ryan Rebalkin: Yes,

: 2405

01:18:22,106 --> 01:18:23,786

Katie: K-R-I-S-S.

: 2406

01:18:23,936 --> 01:18:25,766

And I thought that was a mistake.

: 2407

01:18:26,066 --> 01:18:30,596

And then, then when I was watching the

movie and the subtitles showed two S's

: 2408

01:18:30,626 --> 01:18:35,816

and then I immediately after watched

the original and it's only one s so the

: 2409

01:18:35,816 --> 01:18:37,946

spellings are different in the movies.

: 2410

01:18:38,446 --> 01:18:38,526

Ryan Rebalkin: hmm.

: 2411

01:18:38,906 --> 01:18:42,356

Katie: And the reason, again, very

similar to it not being Macy's.

: 2412

01:18:42,761 --> 01:18:46,241

Is to avoid legal and

trademark complications.

: 2413

01:18:46,656 --> 01:18:47,276

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh my gosh.

: 2414

01:18:47,531 --> 01:18:47,771

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2415

01:18:48,791 --> 01:18:51,341

And also, I guess it

could subtly distinguish

: 2416

01:18:52,071 --> 01:18:54,441

The versions of the movies

I guess a little bit.

: 2417

01:18:55,111 --> 01:18:58,851

I would just say too you're probably

right about the adult thing and

: 2418

01:18:58,851 --> 01:19:01,581

it's just the reverse of kid films

have things in it for adults.

: 2419

01:19:01,581 --> 01:19:04,211

This is, maybe for adults

that has some stuff in it.

: 2420

01:19:04,211 --> 01:19:04,781

For kids.

: 2421

01:19:04,796 --> 01:19:05,425

Ryan Rebalkin: There you go.

: 2422

01:19:05,425 --> 01:19:06,656

I think that's a good way

of looking at It Yeah.

: 2423

01:19:06,686 --> 01:19:06,986

Okay.

: 2424

01:19:07,351 --> 01:19:09,881

Katie: I know we're talking about

the John Hughes version but the

: 2425

01:19:09,881 --> 01:19:11,951

original feels a little more grounded.

: 2426

01:19:12,671 --> 01:19:16,961

And like very New York, it feels

like you're in New York more in the

: 2427

01:19:16,961 --> 01:19:20,231

original and especially like the parade.

: 2428

01:19:20,231 --> 01:19:22,961

When I was watching it, the original,

I was like, God, that looks real.

: 2429

01:19:23,321 --> 01:19:23,561

Well.

: 2430

01:19:23,561 --> 01:19:28,981

Then this morning when I was looking up

some stuff that was actually real macy's

: 2431

01:19:28,981 --> 01:19:31,611

Thanksgiving parade it's real footage

: 2432

01:19:31,986 --> 01:19:32,601

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah, that makes sense.

: 2433

01:19:33,481 --> 01:19:36,061

Katie: We talked about Doris

being really pioneering as a

: 2434

01:19:36,061 --> 01:19:37,671

career woman in the original.

: 2435

01:19:38,300 --> 01:19:42,351

And actually to your point about

you are not, I, you are wondering

: 2436

01:19:42,381 --> 01:19:45,441

about the relationship and why

Dory is being, like, why is she

: 2437

01:19:45,441 --> 01:19:48,111

pushing Dylan McDermott off so much?

: 2438

01:19:48,651 --> 01:19:51,231

Interestingly enough, she's softer.

: 2439

01:19:51,741 --> 01:19:53,961

This version of Dory is softer

: 2440

01:19:54,050 --> 01:19:54,441

Ryan Rebalkin: wow.

: 2441

01:19:54,681 --> 01:19:55,996

Katie: than than, than Maureen

: 2442

01:19:56,556 --> 01:19:57,356

O'Hara's version.

: 2443

01:19:58,206 --> 01:20:00,486

The extra 20 minutes you could argue.

: 2444

01:20:00,951 --> 01:20:04,550

Is the subplot, the like romantic subplot?

: 2445

01:20:05,196 --> 01:20:05,496

Ryan Rebalkin: Right.

: 2446

01:20:05,541 --> 01:20:06,981

Katie: It is secondary.

: 2447

01:20:07,091 --> 01:20:09,816

In, in the original it's

extremely secondary.

: 2448

01:20:10,366 --> 01:20:12,046

, At the end they do end up at a house.

: 2449

01:20:12,286 --> 01:20:15,276

The original, the little

girl only asks for a home.

: 2450

01:20:15,516 --> 01:20:17,706

She doesn't ask for a dad or a brother.

: 2451

01:20:17,856 --> 01:20:21,026

So those are things that are only

in the John Hughes 94 version.

: 2452

01:20:21,686 --> 01:20:23,936

The court case is also

sharper and more satirical.

: 2453

01:20:23,976 --> 01:20:27,216

The proof is not the dollar

bill in God we trust.

: 2454

01:20:27,516 --> 01:20:29,946

The proof is different.

: 2455

01:20:29,946 --> 01:20:31,896

I don't know if you remember at all.

: 2456

01:20:32,206 --> 01:20:32,836

Ryan Rebalkin: I don't remember.

: 2457

01:20:32,996 --> 01:20:34,316

Katie: It's more like bureaucratic,

: 2458

01:20:34,425 --> 01:20:38,476

it's the, all the letters to Santa

that are held to the post office.

: 2459

01:20:38,476 --> 01:20:43,276

'cause they can't it's illegal to not

deliver them to, and so they bring

: 2460

01:20:43,766 --> 01:20:48,496

like bags and bags, tens of thousands

of letters to Santa, to the courtroom.

: 2461

01:20:48,496 --> 01:20:49,906

And that's how they prove,

: 2462

01:20:50,506 --> 01:20:50,925

Ryan Rebalkin: I think I

: 2463

01:20:50,925 --> 01:20:54,736

Katie: that's how they prove that Santa

is real in the original versus the,

: 2464

01:20:54,736 --> 01:20:56,236

in God we trust on the dollar bill.

: 2465

01:20:56,251 --> 01:20:56,611

Ryan Rebalkin: Okay.

: 2466

01:20:57,001 --> 01:20:57,451

Interesting,

: 2467

01:20:57,616 --> 01:20:58,516

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2468

01:20:58,517 --> 01:20:58,527

Mm-hmm.

: 2469

01:20:59,716 --> 01:21:04,666

Now Elizabeth Perkins met and

married her husband on the set,

: 2470

01:21:05,131 --> 01:21:05,581

Ryan Rebalkin: That's crazy.

: 2471

01:21:05,956 --> 01:21:08,776

Katie: cinematographer Julio Mcat.

: 2472

01:21:08,896 --> 01:21:13,121

And a nod to recently covered home

alone two where Macaulay Culkin

: 2473

01:21:13,151 --> 01:21:19,671

uses a talk boy, and we see it in

The Shopper's Express entrance it's

: 2474

01:21:19,671 --> 01:21:21,441

a purposeful nod to this movie.

: 2475

01:21:21,491 --> 01:21:22,061

Ryan Rebalkin: That's right.

: 2476

01:21:22,466 --> 01:21:25,346

Katie: a talk boy, so that's a

purposeful nod to another John.

: 2477

01:21:25,661 --> 01:21:28,050

Ryan Rebalkin: The, the universe

you could argue of home alone,

: 2478

01:21:28,781 --> 01:21:31,841

Katie: So Mary McCormick

has her debut role in this.

: 2479

01:21:31,841 --> 01:21:35,681

She plays the Secretary of Dorie,

and I completely missed her.

: 2480

01:21:36,141 --> 01:21:41,331

But her character has a name

Myrna Foy in this movie.

: 2481

01:21:41,571 --> 01:21:45,561

I guess she's credited as that, which

apparently is a clear reference to

: 2482

01:21:45,561 --> 01:21:52,101

actress Myrna Loy, who was just a

very popular actress of the: 1940

: 2483

01:21:52,221 --> 01:21:53,811

That was like a purposeful thing they did.

: 2484

01:21:54,001 --> 01:21:58,181

The also, there was a character

in the original he plays Santa.

: 2485

01:21:58,811 --> 01:22:00,161

What is his name in this?

: 2486

01:22:00,221 --> 01:22:04,711

Oh, Alfred, he plays Alfred being

like a little protege of Santa.

: 2487

01:22:04,761 --> 01:22:10,071

He works at the store and his name

is Alan Greenman in the original, and

: 2488

01:22:10,161 --> 01:22:12,651

in this movie he plays the doorman.

: 2489

01:22:13,461 --> 01:22:13,906

Ryan Rebalkin: Oh, okay.

: 2490

01:22:14,181 --> 01:22:16,461

Katie: So little crossover there.

: 2491

01:22:17,661 --> 01:22:18,291

Ryan Rebalkin: yeah, that's great.

: 2492

01:22:18,291 --> 01:22:20,571

That's, yeah, the John

Hug averse, I guess.

: 2493

01:22:20,691 --> 01:22:21,231

HU averse.

: 2494

01:22:21,231 --> 01:22:21,526

There you go.

: 2495

01:22:21,556 --> 01:22:21,976

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2496

01:22:22,056 --> 01:22:22,066

Mm-hmm.

: 2497

01:22:23,371 --> 01:22:24,300

I liked your thoughts.

: 2498

01:22:24,300 --> 01:22:27,451

I don't know if there's anything

additional that you wanna add in closing.

: 2499

01:22:27,946 --> 01:22:33,616

For John Hughes,: 1994

of the classic Christmas

: 2500

01:22:34,486 --> 01:22:36,286

movie, miracle on 34th Street.

: 2501

01:22:36,811 --> 01:22:37,591

Ryan Rebalkin: Is it a classic?

: 2502

01:22:37,591 --> 01:22:39,841

Well, I guess after 25 years

it could be called a classic.

: 2503

01:22:39,841 --> 01:22:40,411

Is that the rule?

: 2504

01:22:40,936 --> 01:22:42,646

Katie: It's a remake of the classic.

: 2505

01:22:42,781 --> 01:22:43,141

Ryan Rebalkin: sure.

: 2506

01:22:43,141 --> 01:22:43,501

Okay.

: 2507

01:22:43,501 --> 01:22:43,921

Fair enough.

: 2508

01:22:44,011 --> 01:22:46,531

Well, look, it's a, I'll say this,

: 2509

01:22:47,581 --> 01:22:48,931

watch as an adult for sure,

: 2510

01:22:49,741 --> 01:22:51,751

because I think you'll get

into the Christmas spirit.

: 2511

01:22:51,751 --> 01:22:55,921

I think it's a great

philosophical discussion of both.

: 2512

01:22:55,921 --> 01:23:00,511

God, Santa Claus, all those things

about what's more important.

: 2513

01:23:00,511 --> 01:23:01,111

There you go, Katie.

: 2514

01:23:01,111 --> 01:23:03,631

What's more important, the

messaging or the messenger?

: 2515

01:23:04,081 --> 01:23:09,781

So the idea is, is it, is it

terrible to say show love?

: 2516

01:23:10,171 --> 01:23:11,221

Be charitable.

: 2517

01:23:11,311 --> 01:23:12,601

Be kind to your neighbor.

: 2518

01:23:13,261 --> 01:23:17,401

Be forgiving whether it's the

Christ message or be good.

: 2519

01:23:17,731 --> 01:23:18,961

Listen to your parents.

: 2520

01:23:19,231 --> 01:23:20,461

Be kind to your friends.

: 2521

01:23:20,461 --> 01:23:21,691

That's a Santa message now.

: 2522

01:23:22,441 --> 01:23:23,971

could say the messengers are fake.

: 2523

01:23:24,061 --> 01:23:28,050

They're not real people,

but the messaging is valid.

: 2524

01:23:28,050 --> 01:23:28,501

It's good.

: 2525

01:23:28,501 --> 01:23:29,611

That's a good way to be in society.

: 2526

01:23:29,611 --> 01:23:30,601

That's my hot take.

: 2527

01:23:30,601 --> 01:23:32,521

I think being a good

person is a hot Is is.

: 2528

01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:32,941

I know.

: 2529

01:23:32,941 --> 01:23:33,571

Isn't that weird?

: 2530

01:23:34,276 --> 01:23:35,896

Katie: I mean, nowadays it is a hot take.

: 2531

01:23:35,896 --> 01:23:39,286

I think, you know, anytime somebody

requests that of you, you're woke.

: 2532

01:23:39,571 --> 01:23:40,501

Ryan Rebalkin: That's true.

: 2533

01:23:40,621 --> 01:23:41,851

So I guess I'm woke.

: 2534

01:23:41,851 --> 01:23:42,361

'cause I just want

: 2535

01:23:42,401 --> 01:23:42,821

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2536

01:23:42,991 --> 01:23:43,081

Ryan Rebalkin: be

: 2537

01:23:43,521 --> 01:23:43,941

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2538

01:23:44,041 --> 01:23:44,371

Ryan Rebalkin: people to

: 2539

01:23:44,371 --> 01:23:45,691

be nice and fair and

: 2540

01:23:45,691 --> 01:23:46,111

kind.

: 2541

01:23:46,111 --> 01:23:46,771

I'm crazy.

: 2542

01:23:46,771 --> 01:23:46,891

I

: 2543

01:23:47,141 --> 01:23:47,986

Katie: I you it is.

: 2544

01:23:47,986 --> 01:23:49,126

It's wild.

: 2545

01:23:49,321 --> 01:23:49,621

Ryan Rebalkin: I

: 2546

01:23:49,846 --> 01:23:50,206

Katie: Wild.

: 2547

01:23:50,206 --> 01:23:50,626

Take.

: 2548

01:23:51,361 --> 01:23:53,821

Ryan Rebalkin: if you want to get that

kind of, but it's a great philosophical

: 2549

01:23:53,821 --> 01:23:56,911

discussion, but, you know, are we

mad at the messenger or the message?

: 2550

01:23:56,941 --> 01:23:58,381

So I, I like that idea.

: 2551

01:23:58,381 --> 01:24:02,421

So it's yeah, it's actually a lot more,

put it this way, I went in thinking this

: 2552

01:24:02,421 --> 01:24:06,021

was gonna be a hokey and knowing kid

wanted to believe in Santa's story, I

: 2553

01:24:06,021 --> 01:24:09,381

left thinking, oh, there's actually a

lot here to take in and to figure out.

: 2554

01:24:09,381 --> 01:24:12,651

So I actually like the

philosophical courtroom drama of it.

: 2555

01:24:12,651 --> 01:24:12,891

Yeah.

: 2556

01:24:13,776 --> 01:24:14,346

Katie: I like it.

: 2557

01:24:14,376 --> 01:24:15,486

I, I think I would agree.

: 2558

01:24:15,516 --> 01:24:18,636

There were some parts that were really

elevated, like you said, some of the

: 2559

01:24:18,636 --> 01:24:22,816

philosophical things, and then some

things that just weren't crisp like

: 2560

01:24:22,816 --> 01:24:24,616

it just needed a maybe one more pass.

: 2561

01:24:25,096 --> 01:24:27,916

I did wanna point out what

Chris Kringle tells Dory.

: 2562

01:24:27,916 --> 01:24:32,686

I, I specifically made a note, Chris

Carla says to Dory, I'm not just a

: 2563

01:24:32,686 --> 01:24:36,675

whimsical figure, I'm a symbol of

the human ability to suppress the

: 2564

01:24:36,675 --> 01:24:42,046

hateful and selfish tendencies that

rule the major part of our life.

: 2565

01:24:42,675 --> 01:24:46,036

If you can't accept anything

on faith, you are doomed.

: 2566

01:24:46,036 --> 01:24:48,016

A life dominated by doubt.

: 2567

01:24:48,901 --> 01:24:49,231

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2568

01:24:49,361 --> 01:24:50,651

I remember that one that

happened in the film.

: 2569

01:24:50,651 --> 01:24:51,761

That's a very poignant moment.

: 2570

01:24:51,761 --> 01:24:52,181

That's what I mean.

: 2571

01:24:52,181 --> 01:24:52,571

There's a lot of

: 2572

01:24:52,601 --> 01:24:52,721

Katie: I.

: 2573

01:24:52,991 --> 01:24:54,581

Ryan Rebalkin: here that a kid might hear

: 2574

01:24:54,581 --> 01:24:54,851

them be.

: 2575

01:24:56,161 --> 01:24:56,581

Katie: Mm-hmm.

: 2576

01:24:57,071 --> 01:24:57,191

Ryan Rebalkin: Yeah.

: 2577

01:24:57,416 --> 01:24:59,486

Katie: Yeah, he kind of goes

on and there's a lot of things

: 2578

01:24:59,486 --> 01:25:02,216

like, they point out, oh, I think

you've made believers of everyone.

: 2579

01:25:02,216 --> 01:25:06,116

And Chris k Cringle hasn't quite made a

believer yet of Dory and the daughter.

: 2580

01:25:06,116 --> 01:25:08,786

So there's one last tidbit that

needs to be taken care of, and

: 2581

01:25:08,786 --> 01:25:10,136

they do wrap it up perfectly.

: 2582

01:25:10,136 --> 01:25:16,016

And this is also a wrap

of Miracle on 34th Street.

: 2583

01:25:16,376 --> 01:25:20,076

Ryan, don't forget to remind

us about some of your shows.

: 2584

01:25:20,076 --> 01:25:22,716

Anything you have upcoming that

you want us, that you wanna,

: 2585

01:25:23,056 --> 01:25:23,896

get people excited about.

: 2586

01:25:25,296 --> 01:25:27,781

Ryan Rebalkin: I, I dunno if I get anyone

excited about anything, but I'll try.

: 2587

01:25:28,031 --> 01:25:31,751

The, the Directors Chair Network,

again, Google the Directors Chair

: 2588

01:25:31,751 --> 01:25:34,300

Network podcast available on YouTube.

: 2589

01:25:34,511 --> 01:25:36,791

You get the visuals, you can actually

get the visuals of our discussions,

: 2590

01:25:36,791 --> 01:25:40,571

but if you don't want that, it's also

available anywhere you listen to podcasts.

: 2591

01:25:40,961 --> 01:25:44,171

And as of right now, I've already

got in the bank and you're one of

: 2592

01:25:44,171 --> 01:25:45,161

those episodes that are banked.

: 2593

01:25:45,161 --> 01:25:47,050

We're covering Terrence Malick films.

: 2594

01:25:47,050 --> 01:25:48,611

That's the next film that I'm covering.

: 2595

01:25:49,061 --> 01:25:51,491

And I've already got two

episodes recorded at the time.

: 2596

01:25:51,491 --> 01:25:52,091

It's recording.

: 2597

01:25:52,121 --> 01:25:54,611

I've got banked episodes of

Terrence Malick's journey.

: 2598

01:25:54,971 --> 01:25:59,561

I'm really the discussion so far, and

you joined me for the first episode of

: 2599

01:25:59,561 --> 01:26:01,901

that season where we covered Bad Lance.

: 2600

01:26:01,901 --> 01:26:03,721

Speaking of Martin Sheen

with the West Wing.

: 2601

01:26:03,721 --> 01:26:05,101

So yeah, bad lands.

: 2602

01:26:05,221 --> 01:26:06,721

I can't wait for that

weather to go public.

: 2603

01:26:07,096 --> 01:26:08,236

Katie: I am excited about it too.

: 2604

01:26:08,286 --> 01:26:10,836

It's a wild ride of a movie

and I guess I'm learning more

: 2605

01:26:10,836 --> 01:26:12,306

about myself that I kind of like

: 2606

01:26:12,576 --> 01:26:16,356

seventies movies, so that's so we don't

cover seventies movies on man, guys,

: 2607

01:26:16,356 --> 01:26:17,976

were strictly eighties and nineties, but

: 2608

01:26:18,771 --> 01:26:20,091

Ryan Rebalkin: there's an

aesthetic to the seventies and

: 2609

01:26:20,136 --> 01:26:20,616

Katie: mm-hmm.

: 2610

01:26:20,661 --> 01:26:21,411

Ryan Rebalkin: that in our discussion.

: 2611

01:26:21,411 --> 01:26:22,071

And the next one

: 2612

01:26:22,071 --> 01:26:23,271

we covered days of Heaven.

: 2613

01:26:23,271 --> 01:26:25,311

That was a big discussion

point too, the seventies film.

: 2614

01:26:25,791 --> 01:26:26,781

So yeah, check that out.

: 2615

01:26:26,781 --> 01:26:27,231

And yeah.

: 2616

01:26:27,231 --> 01:26:28,701

Thank you so much,

Katie, for having me on.

: 2617

01:26:28,701 --> 01:26:30,321

I hope I didn't derail it too much.

: 2618

01:26:30,786 --> 01:26:34,606

Katie: Never, but you guys, if you

did enjoy this episode of Retro Made

: 2619

01:26:34,606 --> 01:26:39,956

with Ryan the best gift that you can

give this season is, guess what, guys?

: 2620

01:26:40,016 --> 01:26:41,636

It's a quick rating or review.

: 2621

01:26:41,996 --> 01:26:45,326

Wherever you listen to this, it

does actually help the show grow.

: 2622

01:26:45,326 --> 01:26:46,316

So if you could please do that.

: 2623

01:26:46,316 --> 01:26:48,146

I I would very much appreciate it.

: 2624

01:26:48,146 --> 01:26:49,226

Call it my Christmas gift.

: 2625

01:26:49,526 --> 01:26:51,146

You can also subscribe on YouTube.

: 2626

01:26:51,146 --> 01:26:53,816

You can leave a comment, join

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: 2627

01:26:53,996 --> 01:26:55,136

There's so many things you can do.

: 2628

01:26:55,166 --> 01:26:56,186

You can email me.

: 2629

01:26:56,586 --> 01:26:58,866

I do actually really like

hearing from people directly.

: 2630

01:26:58,916 --> 01:27:02,336

It allows you more to say than

just a quick comment on Facebook.

: 2631

01:27:02,675 --> 01:27:06,486

But I like those two, so please feel

free to send an email and thank you for

: 2632

01:27:06,486 --> 01:27:08,766

spending a little holiday magic with us.

: 2633

01:27:08,766 --> 01:27:12,066

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