This podcast episode delves into the significant impact of the NAACP's new initiative, urging black athletes to consider boycotting Southern universities as a form of political protest against disenfranchisement. The discussion intricately weaves together the realms of college athletics, civil rights, and the broader implications of financial gain versus social responsibility. We explore the complexities of whether elite college athletes should prioritize lucrative opportunities at predominantly white institutions or consider historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) as viable alternatives. Through thoughtful dialogue, we analyze the potential ramifications of such a movement on the recruitment landscape of college sports. Ultimately, this conversation challenges us to reflect on the intersection of race, politics, and the pursuit of equity within the realm of collegiate athletics.

Takeaways:

• The podcast emphasizes the new dynamics in college sports, specifically regarding athlete compensation and the impacts of NIL agreements.
• Listeners are encouraged to engage with the podcast live every Sunday at 9pm Eastern Standard Time on platforms like Twitch and YouTube.
• The discussion delves into the historical context of college athletes receiving compensation and the ongoing debate about fairness in college sports funding.
• The conversation critically explores whether elite college athletes should choose HBCUs over traditional Southern schools in light of their newfound financial opportunities.
• The speakers express the importance of considering the political implications of college sports and how athletes' choices can influence broader societal issues.
• The hosts reflect on personal experiences and societal expectations surrounding college athletics, financial literacy, and the pressures faced by young athletes today.

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This week on the five minute warning because I get.

You can go other places and play, but there's only a certain number of slots and we all know where the money is.

And you said, hey, nobody would tune in Alabama if they sucked.

Hey, people tuned into Notre Dame for a long time, and they sucked for a long time.

Yeah, because they wanted them to be good.

The show that gives you everything and nothing at all, that's everywhere you don't want to be is Reuben Mo B.

And on the ones and twos, AG.

The Five minute warning.

Welcome, everyone, to another episode of the five minute warning.

My name is Reuben, and of course I'm here with you to just sample the life that the Internet gives us.

And of course, always with me is my man AG.

What's happening, y'?

All?

How you doing?

Ah, man, things are awesome.

Things are awesome.

Except that it just feels weird today, but it's okay.

How you been, AG?

Pretty good.

No problems.

Good, good.

I don't know.

Everything's telling me my shit's working, but it feels a little off today.

I think I know why.

There we go.

Love it, love it, love it.

So, man, let's talk.

Okay.

We have a really, really, really interesting conversation for today, and everybody understands that.

Well, not everybody.

So those who do not follow college sports, people getting paid now, like, legit.

Like, legit paid.

Like millions of dollars legit paid.

You know, they're doing commercials and they do all those stuff.

No more envelopes under the table from.

Hey, good job, son.

With money in the hand.

You know what I'm saying?

Good job, son.

Hey, if you.

If you.

If you're gonna sit here and tell me that's not what the hell they saying.

Ex.

I'm not laughing at the truth of the matter.

I'm laughing at your choice of words.

That was hilarious.

I mean, I. I think it was factually correct.

You're absolutely right, sir.

I couldn't agree More so now with.

The nil and college players able to make money should.

Let me make sure I get the question right.

Should the elite college bound athlete go to HBCUs and or non southern schools to play high earning collegiate sports?

That's the first part of the question.

Now the second part of the question is could this political protest move the political needle or should it, should it be a matter of course regardless?

Like does it matter politically or should we just talk about it?

So I have a strong opinion on all of this, but it has changed.

So I think I'm gonna let you go first ag and then I'll get to speed my opinion.

Well, why don't you go first?

Because you, you kind of led with something that's.

So let us know what you're thinking.

First of all, how has your opinion changed and changed from where?

So.

All right,.

So I would say there was a part of me that understood that, you know, this college stuff was happening and dudes were getting paid under the table, in the envelopes, you know, good, good run for that touchdown sign.

You know, keep it up, you know, pat on the back, whatever, whatever.

I mean, because if you look, man, you laugh, but you know, you know those old white men passing that money, that's exactly what they saying, 100, 100.

Especially if you live in places like Alabama or you know, anything down south.

Hey, man, is what it is.

So, you know, I'm not against college players getting paid legally or illegally.

My biggest thing was it just needs to be fair, which it still isn't.

I mean, let's just be real.

It just isn't.

But I think it's interesting that we throw the HBCUs into it because I feel like in the past we've had very, you know, the, the excuse will be if you're black, you should go to a hbcu.

However, in sports, not so much.

I'm not saying you don't have those old black guys and that was a great touchdown.

Way to be Johnson C. Smith today.

Hand him an envelope or some money in their hand.

I mean, is what it is.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen.

I'm just saying I don't hear about it as much.

Maybe that's because we know how to keep our mouth shut or whatever.

But when it's all said and done, everybody knows if you try to get that real under the table money, you gotta go to a white school down south.

All right, so.

So is this where you started?

This is where I started.

Okay, Mike.

Okay.

Because I'M kind of curious on how.

Where you're going from your base.

So you started here, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

You know, I was kind of.

I was kind of NCAA guy okay for it.

They're amateurs, stuff like that.

You get a free scholarship to get a degree, like, all those things, you know, and a lot of that was because, you know, I. I use what I went through in my personal life as a.

As a way to measure how I feel about that.

Right.

Because, I mean, I had to pay for school.

Understood.

And I worked hard, and it took me a very long time to get my degree, but I got that.

However, you know, at the.

I would say I was definitely young, probably a lot dumb, and I just didn't really appreciate opportunities that other people may have other than myself.

And so one day I just stopped selling out of my own pockets, as it were, you know, because I. I do.

And I. I did.

And I sort of still do.

Look, man, you get a free ride, get your degree.

I. I get it, though.

You want to go to NFL, make millions of dollars.

You want to go to NBA, make millions of dollars.

Like, I understand that, but this, you know, for all those.

For all those players that will never play professional, and some of them don't get degrees, man, you ain't got no backup plan.

So that's where I was at that point.

You know, it was all about how I feel and how my life affected me and how, you know what?

Everybody else should be grateful that you have the talent and you can get a college degree with your talent athletically.

Now I feel.

I feel a lot different.

Hey, man, go get your money.

Because if you.

At least you can get your money in college, that's your backup plan.

Like.

And I mean, I'm.

I'm fine with the legal money.

I'm very fine with the legal money, man.

You know, if you got.

If you got to sit there and hot cars at a.

At a rundown, you know, used car dealership, but they giving you six figures, bro.

You go do that with a smile on your face and enjoy that, because once again, brothers like myself don't have that opportunity to go hot cars for six figures.

So go make that money, player, And.

And around.

If you.

If you realize that you can't play professional, get your degree, too.

Like, you can truly have it all right now.

And I like, you know, hey, man, as far as going to HBCU and.

Or going down south or going where money calls you, honestly, you got to do what's best for you, bro.

Like, I did not go to a HBCU.

I. I have learned a lot about HBCUs over the past seven years.

You know, I have.

What's up, Mo?

What's up, Mo?

You know, I.

And I appreciate that's.

That's a great camera action right there, all that.

So, hey, look, man, at this point in time, man, go do you.

If you want to go to HBCU and you about all that and, and the money thing ain't that big to you, hey, man, go do your thing.

If you're just trying to go to the league and get paid while you're in there, then go do your thing.

Just go do your thing, whatever you want to do, because now you have the opportunity to have it and, and have it all until you can.

So that's where I officially stand on where the players should go and where they should go.

Now, as far as the political, man, at this point in time in life, everything's freaking political.

Like, hey, man, you know, the cast, the cost of Cheetos went up 5 cent the other day.

Hey, man, that's too much money.

Tito's are already expensive.

It's 269.

Why are you going to 274?

What we doing?

Like, so as far as the political part, man, everybody's gonna make it political.

And I mean, I mean, at this point in time, I'm surprised they haven't made the.

The.

The letter ship political yet.

But I'm waiting somebody gonna figure that out.

Make the what?

The lettuce.

The lettuce.

Oh, oh, okay.

The virus.

Well, it' everything that's going on behind it.

I mean, so, yeah, man, it's just like I'm at this point in time.

Hey, man, the question is, how much money can you get in the time that you can get it?

Because at the very least before, you didn't necessarily have a backup plan if you didn't go and get your degree.

Now you have the potential to have a backup plan because you can make a ton of money in college and still, you know, not graduate.

But hey, man, you can be like everybody else and do ventures and.

And buy a wingstop and try to make money that way and all that.

Hey, you have that option now.

So go do you.

As far as where you go to do you.

Me, I don't care.

It's completely up to you.

And.

And that's kind of how I feel about it.

So I hope I answered the question.

You didn't.

You didn't.

You didn't answ question at all.

I did Answer the question.

But cuz you missed half of it.

Mo, I think he answered it his way.

I understand.

Okay.

I mean, did I miss something?

Tell me if I missed something.

No, no, this is much more.

This has nothing to do with money at all, okay?

This has everything to do with.

They're making it so obvious that we are tools for their entertainment and comfort.

Being that the world, or I shouldn't say the world, being that the country is where it is now and we can vote and you know, all the things that, you know, most people can do, we can, or all people, all white folks can do, we can sort of, kind of do.

Sometimes we have choices.

I feel like now this is me, you know, answering your question and answering my, you know, how I feel about it all at the same time.

But really what's going on to me is if you're, if you're telling me that you're not going to represent me, if you're telling me that I'm just your entertainment, then why in the world would I take something that has so much value and leave it in a place that clearly now every.

There are no safe places.

No one likes black people.

Let's get that straight first.

But there are places where people work a little harder to make it seem like you kind of sort of maybe like us.

So if I'm going to stay in the south, there are a lot of HBCUs that have, you know, at their level, have good football programs.

I'll go there if I want to, you know, go to a big time college, then I don't have to go to a big time college in the South.

I can go to Maryland.

I can go to any other place in the northeast that has Northeast that has a football team.

I can go to the Midwest, I can go to the West, I can go to Southwest, Northwest.

There are so many places that I can go that have a good football program.

Now as far as coverage, I believe that coverage will go where there's something to be covered.

I don't think that they're going to continue to go to Alabama just because it's Alabama, when in five years Alabama sucks and everybody in the sec, in the acc.

And when I say, I shouldn't say just football either.

I love me some Duke, but they're in the South.

Could you imagine if John Shire couldn't, couldn't get anybody to go, any black kids to go to Duke to play basketball?

We would suck.

We might be okay in the ACC because most of the ACC is in the south.

But outside of that we couldn't do anything because all the blue chip kids are mostly black, and they're going to all the schools that are outside of the acc.

And this is with respect to basketball.

So now all of them go to Big Ten, Big 12, they're going to the Big east, they're going out west, or actually, a lot of great basketball talents already out west.

They just staying home.

They're not coming all the way across the country anymore because, like, why would I go there when people got like, they're hanging us in front of police departments.

They're saying that we committed suicide by hanging and we have two broken legs.

How about we not do that anymore?

Because the great way.

And I.

And again, I learned this from everything that's gone on with Target.

Boycotting something or someone that directly reflects their bottom line.

Money will bring them to their knees.

If all the black athletes, brown athletes, decided, I'm not going to the south to do anything that would cause a catastrophic financial problem that couldn't get solved.

Because they're living life based on how, you know, how much money they take in, like the rest of us do.

If you make 60 grand, you probably live like you make 60 grand, right?

If you make a million, you probably live like you make a million.

Could you imagine if that went away in two or three years, but you have all this, like, $60 million a year overhead, you'd be screwed.

I'm not saying that black people could get it done.

And it's a human thing, not a black thing.

Human beings have a problem getting together and being that cohesive for any amount of time.

Because you're always gonna have somebody that's gonna dissent and say, well, I like Alabama.

I don't know what's wrong with y', all, but until you make that a shameful act, you're gonna have that.

But once, you know, once people get in line and it's just like some kid from Tallahassee decides he.

I mean, some blue chip from Tallahassee that look like us goes to UCLA or USC or Oregon or Utah or wherever, that's gonna be a freaking problem.

1974 Should have showed you that because them white folks was not trying to integrate Alabama, they didn't want to hear it.

Now, I'm not saying Bear Bryant wasn't a racist.

I believe he probably was.

But I also understand that he understood what I know.

Black athletes matter.

And he wanted.

He had wanted to integrate Alabama football for a little while.

Them boosters.

Them boosters and people in town didn't want to hear it.

And I feel like he was petty with it and did it on purpose.

He scheduled USC at their height.

They came to Tuscaloosa and put it on him.

They gave him the business for four quarters.

It was never close.

Them people sat in them stands and said, we need some n. That's the bottom line.

We need some coons.

What in the world?

The next year they integrated the.

They integrated Alabama football and they never looked back.

Just like slavery.

We built this country and we built that program.

Could you imagine if overnight, When I say overnight, I mean two or three years, athletes, blue chip athletes that are colored in any way that's black or brown, just like jettisoned the south for football, basketball, anything, and just went everywhere but there.

Because the coverage is going to follow.

And if the coverage follows, the money will follow.

That's a lot of money that these colleges, man.

I'm telling you, the system is built off of money like everything else.

And if all of that disappears again, relatively speaking, if it disappears overnight because you don't have a program, if you don't have studs, you just don't.

Now you can have a football player.

Any three of us could play football, but can you play that football?

No, you cannot.

That's why Division 1A is what it is and Division 3 is what it is.

Very few players can go from Division 3 to top of the food chain and survive.

They can't.

There's a reason for that.

Could you imagine Alabama just being like getting whipped by Division 3?

I mean, three years ago it was on the schedule and it was an automatic win.

Now it's a close game.

Those boosters are not going to stand for that.

But now what can you do about it?

Because now you've made it a political issue.

And until the Tommy Tubervilles of the world or Tubervilles of the world, like, fundamentally change on the outside and pretend better, those kids are never coming back.

The other thing is, if black people get together and start funding HBCUs the way they should and can,.

Then you.

Have a bigger problem.

Because now say, hey, it's not so bad here then for the other schools that are already big, that are getting bigger because of all that money that followed, the kids that don't go to the south anymore have more money.

They're like bruh sunshine every day.

I'm good, I'm good.

I'm out here in la, chilling, playing football.

Ain't nobody trying to hang me.

I'm good.

I'm not leaving.

Plus, my mama lived 20 minutes away.

Why would I leave?

If you're from the south and you go to a climate like that, it's like, wow, it is nice out here.

I ain't never going home.

You can't rep. That's.

You can't replace that.

You can't replace that.

And then the other thing that happens is coaching staff start to leave.

Now you can't even get the best coaches.

Who they coaching?

Who they coaching?

They don't want to, man.

They want to coach the best athletes they can.

And those athletes don't exist in the south anymore.

So that was the spirit of the question.

And that is also my opinion about the question.

You know, should this be a protest?

And if it's not going to be a protest, why shouldn't this be a matter of course going forward?

Why are we continually to people that have tried to tell us for hundreds of years that you are merely for my comfort and my entertainment?

Why are we giving them something that's so valuable?

Let somebody else break our hearts for one time.

Stop dating the same crazy girl.

Stop dating the same crazy guy.

Pick somebody that at least will pretend better.

Because again, there are no safe places.

I'm not saying that.

But I am saying there are.

There are white establishments and infrastructure that pretend better than most of the south will ever know how to do.

They have changed the infrastructure of their political system to let us know that we are less than three fifths.

You ain't nothing we gonna come to get.

We gonna come to get.

Rest of that, too.

Why are we giving something to them that's so valuable?

Why?

So that's the spirit of question.

That's how I feel about it.

How you feel?

Mo, it's your turn.

So, all right, bear with me because this question is so much more complicated than just what it appears to be on the surface.

Because I understand Reuben's reluctance to really sit on either side of the fence.

I missed the whole thing.

That's what I'm saying.

But.

But actually, Reuben ag kind of answered like, that's kind of consistent for you.

Like, and I'm.

This.

This is not a knock at all.

But, like, you're like, hey, man, I don't really care.

It's, you know, do what you do.

Everything's political anyway.

We've turned everything into a political issue.

Why should this be any different?

I kind of feel like that's what you kind of just threw your hands up on.

And I get it.

Because that's fair.

Like, you're right.

We've kind of turned everything Political.

And you shouldn't tell somebody else how they should protest anything.

You just should.

I just, I firmly believe that.

But everything AG said is absolutely correct.

Like money rules everything.

However, the problem with that is we've sold capitalism to ourselves.

And the only way any type of protest backlash like this can matter is for a whole bunch of older black folks like us to tell a whole bunch of younger black folks all the things they should get up, give up for the greater good of us.

And it's true, because most protests have fundamentally started that way.

I would have said 10 years ago, this would have been an easier case because nil didn't exist, the money, outward money didn't exist.

But now telling elite 17, 18, 19 year old men who have worked very hard and diligently for the idea that this sport, their athletic prowess, can change the course of their generational wealth.

And now we're gonna say, hey, but for the greater good of us, get that up.

Because I get you can go other places and play, but there's only a certain number of slots and we all know where the money is.

And you said, hey, nobody would tune into Alabama if they suck.

Hey, people tuned into Notre Dame for a long time and they sucked for a long time.

Yeah, because they wanted them to be good.

So they, they gonna try to jerry rig rule.

I'm not saying the protest isn't in good spirit and I'm not saying it wouldn't work.

But what I'm saying is it feels weird for 40 something year old former athlete me to look at it 17, 18 year old and be like, hey man, you should turn down those millions of dollars at University of Georgia and go somewhere and make some thousands somewhere else.

Or you should turn down the opportunity to have exposure to have, you know, more or greater potential to become a professional athlete.

But I also understand and everything AG said is right.

It's like, yo, we are basically monopolizing ourselves for our enemy.

We're basically saying, hey, we will tap dance for you because the money's important.

And, and that's where I kind of have like this, this torn thing.

Like I feel like a more prudent and efficient thing to ask would not be to ask the athletes not to go to these schools rules.

It would be to ask us to stop supporting them.

But hey, don't watch the sec.

You got that much of a problem with the south sports.

Don't watch them, let that TV contract not look as good because they're not getting the ratings and viewership like the target thing.

I'm glad you brought the target thing up.

The target thing didn't work just because we asked a portion of the community not to do that.

Do it.

Everybody technically had to give up something like, hey, you can't go.

People didn't go to Target.

Like, and we kind of shame black people for going in Target.

Hey bro, you going to Target?

What you doing, bro?

We ain't doing that, but we're trying to shame the athletes and not go to school.

But we're gonna be watching ESPN when Florida plays Georgia, you know what I'm saying?

Like I know I would.

And once again, I'm talking about myself.

So it's like to ask a 17 year old, 18 year old guy or lady to make a sacrifice that you're not willing to make the sacrifice of just not watching feels disingenuous to me.

So that, that's kind of where I stand.

Like once again, I said it a while ago, I think I said it a long time ago.

I'm like, hey, I wish more premier athletes would stay at HBCUs.

Not, not even all of them.

It's just we had more.

If the HBCUs were relevant conferences in the greater landscape of collegiate athletics, that in itself would be an option.

Like as it stands right now when it comes to the funding of these programs, the resources of these programs and the exposure to these programs, that's basically telling somebody who has access to steak, hey bro, that baloney good enough stuff and it is, but man, that's, it's really disingenuous from your high horse or our high horse to tell a kid, hey man, you should start making these sacrifices for the greater good of our people now.

You should do that.

Not, not necessarily me because you know, I, I like watching good football and basketball, so I'm still gonna watch.

But your ass shouldn't go there like you, you, you should make it easier for us by going somewhere else so then we ain't gotta watch.

So I think, I think the system has done a very good job of selling us capitalism more than community.

And as long as that exists, it's gonna be real hard for anybody to tell some 17, 18 year old kid in their family, hey man, you should go to Wisconsin.

I know they're offering you like two $300,000 a year and I know that SEC team's offering you like 6.5 million to play there.

But you know what?

Do it for the cause, bro.

I'm just saying, man, you gonna have a hard time selling that when all we've done for the Last, I don't know, 30, 40 years is sold.

The black community of the importance of money.

Gotta, yours, you gotta get yours.

Even Ruby, even you said it like, hey, man, get your money.

And that's exactly what these trying to do.

Like, they try to get their money.

Like, I know that the only way a true political protest statement can be made is to ask the 17 and 18 year olds to make the greatest sacrifice.

I just also know how unrealistic that is in principle.

Like to ask this 17 or 18 year old kid who literally probably has their whole family looking at them like, hey, you are a way out, to then say, hey, man, I know I was yalls way out.

But for the greater good of the collective, I gotta take this.

L. It's just a hard thing to sell, man.

Like I said, if nil didn't exist, I think the argument's easier because then you're like.

Then you're really just selling opportunity and education.

Because Reuben said that he.

He was talking about boosters to start with.

I think that that, that matters, that money matters also.

It does matter.

It does matter.

But what I'm saying is it was an easier sell when it seemed like that money was under the table or dirty money.

Right, right, right.

Because like right now we're asking them to turn down legal money.

Hey, all this legit legal money don't touch that.

Well, and.

And yeah, so, like, it was because I started my.

My conversation off about how the old white dudes would give the.

The players after the game, you know, envelopes full of money and be like, that was a good touchdown, son.

You know, because that's what the.

They said to him.

Like, let's be real.

Like, we like, hey, hey, hey, John, that was a great play out there, you know, Keep it up.

No, they ain't say that to the black kids.

Good job, son.

Way to wait up.

Get that interception to end the game, you know, give him a dab or something.

Put that arm around them, give him a shoulder, and give him an envelope full of money.

Like, AG is laughing, but we all know that's how that went down.

I'm let y' all know firsthand that somebody who has actually experienced that, they don't say, good job, Reuben.

They don't say anything.

They just.

They just shake your hand, pat you on the shoulder.

It's like, hey, looking good out there.

And that's it.

No specifics.

You know what I'm saying?

Just, you know, 250 and you take some of your boys to Virginia Commons Mall when you Ball out of control.

I just, like, you know, bro, I. I wasn't a premier division one athlete, but that.

Hey, that look, that 250 that dude hit me with was strong, bro.

I didn't say nothing to anybody about it.

Like, hey, bro, we going to the Sizzler tonight, baby.

We.

We are doing it.

Four packed up and four packed up in my jet.

And we hit.

We hit Route 1 South.

A good hit.

The Sizzler.

He said Route 1.

So.

I mean, mean.

So, Yeah, I. I think I. I kind of like the way Moby was talking about it, but I think there's a different way as well, because.

And here it is.

As a person who didn't go to a hbcu, I know this shit's gonna be hard for some people to swallow.

Hell, it might be a little bit more difficult for me to say, but here it is.

And if we as black people invested in our HBCUs more, I think if.

If we invest in our HBCUs more, I think that would help the cause.

Now, hear me out.

The one thing that Hampton University got vilified for was leaving an HBCU to go after more money in different conferences.

Right?

You know, and, I mean, the president just got.

Oh, my.

How'd you leave the HBCU community?

Blah, blah, blah.

Let me remind everybody that Hampton University is a private institution.

It is not a public school.

They are private.

They.

They are looking for certain types of people.

Say what you want.

We ag.

We got family who graduated from Hampton University.

They look for certain types of people.

And I'm gonna leave it right there.

They definitely have a vibe.

Sure.

Yep.

And once again, they left the MIAC to go to the CA Colonial Athletic Conference and then to the Big south to predominantly white conferences to get that paper.

All right?

Now, with that being said, they use that paper to help their facilities.

Now, I will say this.

I feel.

I feel like, if, once again, this could be hard for people to hear from a non HBCU person, Right?

And maybe it's one of those things that maybe even though I am a non HBCU person, jumping in and helping out every now and then probably wouldn't be a bad idea.

But the biggest.

A lot of reasons why black players don't go to HBCUs is because of facilities.

I remember years ago, I was with Mo Battle, and his brother was playing AAU basketball, and we went to a HBCU basketball gym because they were playing there.

And when I say I am a graduate of Peesburg High School in Peesburg, Virginia, when I say that my gym at Petersburg High School was bigger than that college gym, that's a problem.

And I mean, you know, Division one, two or three, I just believe that.

Look, man, high school gyms shouldn't be bigger than college gyms ever.

Unless you had a.

If.

Unless you had like the matha in Maryland.

And all they put out is five star players, four star players, because they, you know, they come back after they make all that money and they give them half the money and it builds that up like.

I get it.

Petersburg High School, we have.

We have had some players.

Moses Malone graduated from Petersburg High School, you know, and a couple other people.

We got some players now who went to Kansas and number one, the country people and stuff like that.

That should never be the case.

So facilities are a thing, you know.

And the one thing that we can say about the quote unquote, white institutions, especially down south, those facilities, I mean, those boosters have a shit ton of more money, let's be real.

But they put their money into that school and a whole bunch of them wear that a proudly, you know.

And honestly, the other thing I'll say before we move on, I'm.

I'm kind of upset, man.

I'm kind.

I was upset about it and I don't think I've ever expressed this, not even in mob.

The coach of lsu now, what's his name, the he said about ole miss was 100 true.

He backed out of it.

And I was mad that they.

They made him back out of that statement.

But that statement was 100 true because when he said that, it's hard to.

It's hard to recruit black people out of state because y' all still carry.

Y' all still.

Still raise a Confederate flag.

That shit's hard.

And I'm pretty sure he had some.

People had some conversations with him and he.

He backed out of that statement.

I understand why he did.

He got some pressure, but that's some.

That was some.

And he was telling the absolute truth because.

Can I give you a fun fact about that, too?

Yes.

You know, they've never banned the Confederate flag in the state.

They have not.

The reason it doesn't wave is because they banned the sticks.

They banned the sticks that the flag on.

You can't have the sticks.

They.

That was.

That was their loophole to get it out.

That's the only way.

So if you hold it by hand, it's good.

Yeah, they can't say to you.

I had no idea.

Yeah,.

That's, that's, that's trimming down the racism without killing the racism.

Hey, man, you know, I'm gonna cut my grass, but I still want this to grow.

So I'm gonna cut it down low, but I still want that to grow tomorrow.

That's what they did.

Once again, they said, hey man, we gotta get these flags out the stadium for the recruits, but we can't let our alumni base know that we not down with the flag.

Yeah.

Let's say this stick is a safety hazard.

So y', all, hey, hey, bro, y' all can't, y' all can't just be bringing y' all sticks in here with, with waving on him, man.

Hey, look, man, you gotta be more responsible, man.

You gotta wave that by hand, baby.

Like, hey, but you know, another fun track, Moby, ESPN game day rarely goes to Ole Miss.

They rarely go there.

I never noticed.

Really?

Wow.

The last they, the last time they were there, like two years ago.

I mean, and they're not usually that good at football.

They're not.

So, I mean, so there's that too.

Yeah, so, but on that whole telecast, they did not show a Confederate flag.

They either blurted out or somehow it just wasn't there.

Seven second delays are important.

Them dudes be working quick.

But yeah, man, I, I, I was upset.

I understand why Elaine Kiffin did it because he got pressure, man.

He got pressure from a bunch of off.

But he was 100% right in that.

But then, of course, then you have the dude who they're paying $6 million at quarterback.

It was no issue to me.

It's like, bro, come on, man, like, once again, I get it, man.

You just got paid $6 million to basically be like, ain't nothing wrong with that.

Hey, man, you took a payoff.

I get it.

I ain't mad at you.

And there's the point that, and that's.

Why, that's the problem.

Right?

The whole premise is, look, man, you asking these kids to not get paid, man, where else was that 30 something year old quarterback gonna get paid that much money to be in his 28th year of college?

Nowhere.

But yeah, man, it's a whole bunch of different things that can be done.

You know, it could be done on the HBCU level.

It could be done.

Hey, if you're black and you're a great, you're a great player, just don't go there.

Good luck.

I mean, so, and for some of them, it'll probably happen for Those five stars that can sit there and dictate how much they get paid.

Yeah, they can go somewhere else.

But that three star who just trying to play college ball and nobody likes them.

But you know what Ole Miss says, yo, man, we got $500,000 for you.

Sign me the up.

I'm just never taking a picture around that, that, that flag.

But I got you on the, on the field or I got you on the basketball court.

I mean, Mo B's 100% right.

It sucks.

But hey, and he's right about another Ole Miss ain't never really that good.

And honestly, the fact that they made it as far as they did in the, the playoffs last year, it helped and hurt them.

You know, know, it helped them because, oh, my God, Ole Miss has a team, but I don't think they're scholar.

I, I don't think their quality of player got that much better.

Especially when.

Yeah, it did.

Because now they can pay and they can pay above board.

Now I'm saying, like, that's, I'm telling you, the NIL changed everything.

So all these schools who really want to be good at football and racism at the same time.

Yeah.

And I mean, hey, once again, if I, I think that, I mean, that was probably the only time I could sit here and say I thought Lane Kiffin was cool.

As.

I'm not saying he's, he's a terrible person.

I'm not.

But I, I had some respect for him because he said that and he, he said that with his chest.

And then like a week later he had to walk that back.

Man, that was just like.

Yeah, he ain't really say it with his ch.

Chest.

I mean, that money made him walk it back.

I mean, that's just what it was then.

You ain't say it with your chest then, bro.

He said he said it with his chest when he said it.

No, he did.

You, you, you don't say it with your chest and then walk back.

That's, that's, it's, it's.

It's impossible to be able to do both things at the same thing.

I know two things could be true at the same time, but two opposing things can't be true at the same time.

And yeah, then he came out a couple weeks ago.

It's like, I wish I had not fought hard.

He was saying, he was saying it with his wallet.

That's what he was saying it with both times.

Because he was saying with his wife the first time because he was trying to make black people think he was down for the call.

So he keep recruiting them.

And then when they was like, hey man, you can't be saying that because we pay you not to say that stuff.

He was like, all right, cool.

Yalls money is to be going greater.

I mean, he's in Louisiana.

I mean, I guess a little better.

They just not.

They're not.

They not.

They don't got a lot of flags running around, but that be there.

I mean, shoot, just like before, before Nick Saban, lsu.

Black people in Louisiana didn't even go to lsu.

Those people going to Southern.

Yeah, I mean, and I do want to say, before we move on real quick, I do want to say, look, man, I understand how easy it is and how justifiable it is sometimes to just trash HBCUs and like how they don't do this and they don't do that.

But your funding argument for their facilities is really disingenuous because to compare them to state funded institutions suits that, you know, they create money in state legislature to pay for some of the facilities.

HBCUs ain't getting that money, none of it.

So to say, hey man, you know, they should have better facilities.

Yeah, but unfortunately, HBCUs have had to make the decision for like the last, I don't know when, when did the basically integration of collegiate athletics really happened?

Happened maybe 40, 50 years ago.

Ever since that they've had to make the, you know, choice between do we fund our facilities or do we keep the education portion of it.

Like, hey, we do need a new basketball arena, but we ain't got no goddamn dorms.

Or like, hey, you know, like you just.

They've had, they've had to make decisions that some of these other schools just never have had to make make.

Yes, boosters help as well.

That booster money definitely helps most of the sport, but that booster money doesn't help with the facilities as much as people are thinking that booster money helps.

You know, the booster money has made it easier to do fire coaches with guaranteed contracts.

That's where the booster money comes into play, where you owe somebody $36 million if you terminate them.

And the boosters get together and say, we can make that happen happen.

We can get him out the paint.

So, so I will, I will agree to most of that, but I would disagree on some of that because boosters are why the pony Express happened back in the 80s.

Absolutely.

And, and boosters are why Texas Tech happened last year and tried to happen this year.

See, but what you, you're talking, you're talking about a select number of Universities that have oil money, which is a whole different type of booster money.

That's a whole.

Like, Miami had booster money from Ponzi schemes.

Texas has this oil money just laying around, like, just tripping over millions of dollars.

I mean, that's true.

As far as the Ponzi scheme money, I mean, that was.

That was a dark time in Miami.

Once again, I was just trying to.

I was making the point not to crash on Miami.

Miami, because my brothers.

My brother's at Loma.

Miami got.

I ain't got no shade against Miami.

But my thing is, like, all booster money ain't the same.

And.

And act like all those boosters exist everywhere.

Just ain't the case.

Like, you.

You got elite Texas booster money.

You got some.

Some elite Georgia money, elite Florida money.

And then you got Oregon, Nike.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

They got.

They got a little thing going for.

But most schools don't have that type of booster money money.

I mean, you're not wrong.

You know, I.

You know what the SEC say, it just means more that.

That's.

That's them.

That's their slogan.

It just means more like, what the.

Because they got the receipts to prove it.

And, you know, like, look, man, this is.

I. I usually do take any opportunity to, like, besmirch the name of Nick Saban, so I'm going to take this opportunity to do it as well.

Like, yo, man, when that became an even playing field, he was like, yo, I can't just.

I can't just stockpile people and threaten them with the idea that if you go somewhere else, you ain't gonna be at Alabama, man.

After all this, I ain't here for fair play.

And now all of a sudden, he cares about the students life and the word bleed.

I like them all, Bradley, like, you a got to lie to me about it.

Like, do what Coach K did.

Coach K just peaced out and didn't say nothing.

He was just like, hey, man, I don't like where this is going.

You ain't taking me with you, and I'm out.

You're not wrong, Williams.

The same sh.

He was like, hey, man, I don't like how this is looking.

I don't like how y' all people moving about this no more.

I'm out.

All.

All the old coaches who was just like, hey, man.

And look, I'm not saying some of these coaches really don't think that, you know, this is not good for all the players.

Because, look, man, I don't think our form of nil.

The way we do this transfer, I don't think it's actually constructive for long term success with these young athletes.

It's not.

But I'm also not going to be like, don't get your money.

After all these universities have been getting all this money off of your people for the last, you know, decades of collegiate athletics.

Like, nah, man, I'm okay with that.

That pendulum swinging a little too far in the player's direction right now.

I'm cool with that.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, because once again, like I said, man, back in the day, I was, I was making opinions out of my own pockets and that wasn't necessarily right.

And I was getting.

And Moby would tell me, reuben, that ain't right.

Yeah, don't be counting, don't be counting Nobody, nobody, nobody money, man.

And I stopped counting money.

I'm just like, nah, get all of it.

Get all you can get.

Because if you're not gonna be, if you're not gonna get your degree, you might as well walk out with a lot of money.

And I mean, why not?

It like, you know, at least you got it and then there's a backup plan.

Yeah, but you know, here's the thing, man.

I, I hate to crash on this too, because we talked about it before, but like to say if you don't get your degree, at least you walk out with money.

Like, bro, half of the degrees people are getting are useless anyway.

And, and it just is what it is.

Like half of the degrees are useless.

So look, forget your degree.

Get your money, bro.

Get your money and get, get you a long term business plan to do to try to make this money stretch.

Out exactly, you know, hey, hey, man, get it all.

Just, just, just put your, put your arms around all of it and hug it and just get all of it.

So you get some money, you get a degree so it look like you got an education and then you around and adventure some.

Buy yourself a couple of wingstops and let your money make you.

And that's what you do.

And if these colleges really wanted to convince me that they cared about their student athletes, like, it wouldn't just be scholarships and nil money.

They'd be giving like, hey man, you got the scholarship, you got this nil money.

And for the next four or five years, we are paying for your financial advisor to advise you on the taxes and everything else.

Like, you don't even have to pay for them.

You don't got to give them a cut.

We do that, we do that.

I mean, why not you might.

It's going to be some 21 year old filing bankruptcy pretty soon because they blew all the nil money and they didn't understand how taxes were word and they thought because they were making 2.3 million that they could spend 2.3 million.

And now they owe the IRS 1.6 million and they're like, hey, what am I supposed to do?

Because I ain't got no more eligibility to play football or basketball no more.

I guess you working at Donuts brother for the rest of your life.

You know what?

In honestly I take that a little further.

How about you help them set up some like a, a 401k or something so money goes into a savings account or something like that.

That's why I said, man, if I wanted to convince me, hey look man, when you come to our school, you have a financial advisor, you have is.

You have a financial accountant.

They do your taxes, they do everything.

And they don't get a cut of nothing.

We don't get a cut or nothing.

We pay for them.

You have them on lean for us like for five years.

You got five years of eligibility.

You got CPA for five years.

There you go.

Look at us, man, we making a college f. College.

College sports program better every day.

Hey, but ain't no school going to do that.

Cuz they got to pay that man.

They debus nil as a way for them not to have to pay the players.

So they damn sure ain't about to pay for financial for them too.

They like these dud.

If these dudes want to go broke by their junior year, cool.

That means they got to do whatever we say now.

And digital service, that's what we do.

I mean, hey, you ain't wrong because.

I can't imagine as an 18 year old you got enough money to buy that sports car, that house.

You, you party, you throwing money all over the place.

And then by your junior year you owe so much money.

And you like,.

Man, I really want to transfer, I really want to do something, but I can't do nothing because if this, if this coach don't, if I mess around and say anything disrespectful to this coach, he gonna up my career.

And I ain't got enough money to be out of a job because that's what it is at this point in time.

It's a job.

So honestly, I feel like Nick Satan got out too soon because he could have figured out a way to hustle this.

Like all he, all he would have had to do is like Bringing all these five star recruits and show them how to blow the money.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, hey, man, we're gonna put you up in these mansions.

We're gonna.

We're gonna have you to blow it.

So by the end of their freshman year, they don't blowing all that NL money and they owe money.

And he's like, hey, it's cool.

You know what?

We will handle your debt, but you owe us two more years here.

Don't even worry about it.

We got you, big dog, bro.

Here it is, man.

That what you just said is scared straight for freshmen right there.

Hey, we got you getting all this money.

These are the dudes who were broke in six months because they spent all the money the wrong way.

Put that on how to scare nobody, man.

Look, man, athletes are more prevalently aware of athletes going broke than they ever were.

And it ain't slowing it down at all.

Because wow.

If you don't know.

Know how to, you can say wow.

But I promise you, man, if I'd have given you 78 figures at 19, Reuben, you wouldn't have known how you were supposed to make that money.

Stretch.

You.

You might.

You might be like, hey, I'm not going to blow this money frivolously like they do.

And I bet all of them say that.

But then you are a product of what you're around.

So if you see other people spending money on that and they're like, hey, this is how you're supposed to do things.

You go, oh, this is how I'm supposed to do things.

And then say, you know, you know, because once again, you won't be counting other people's pockets.

But you probably should sometimes.

Because you got to understand that if I make it 1.2 million and he made 32 million, we shouldn't live the same.

We shouldn't.

Like Dominique Foxworth says that all the time.

He's like, yeah, man, I used to hang out with Champ Bailey.

But he was like, I realized first time I went to Vegas with Championship Family, we was not the same.

Like, we.

We didn't.

We didn't have the same access to funds.

I mean, yeah, man, the biggest.

But the first.

The first lesson that should always be learned and then we gonna move on is, hey, guys, don't with them hoes.

That's it.

Don't get them ho.

They don't get your money.

That's it.

If they let you smack, smash, you smash.

But don't be buying them a goddamn thing.

Just don't do It.

When has that ever actually happened.

And.

They actually don't do that?

Yeah, when.

When have rich men ever decided that they didn't need to trick their money on hoes in some form of fashion?

It's gonna happen.

Like, look at somebody.

Somebody who's like, man, I would never.

I never had the opportunity to.

So let me not say what I would never do.

True.

That I ain't rich enough to trick no hoes.

Because I.

You're right, man.

Because if I was, I at least tricked at least one.

Once again, like, just for the feeling.

Not even that.

Everybody, every dude who's ever had access to a job at first.

And if you had the.

The fortune or misfortune to be seeing a young lady when you first ran into a little bit of money, I don't care who you are, you did some form of tricking.

It wasn't even just because you were trying to give a job.

It was because that was.

As a guy, that was like you giving yourself a high five.

You know what I'm saying?

Hey, baby, don't even worry about it.

I got you.

You know what?

You right, man.

I have to, though.

God damn it.

Everybody has.

That's why, like, you.

Look, man, I know I spent a lot of time up here talking about how you shouldn't do that.

So I just wanted to take a moment up here to acknowledge that.

Yo, man, I'm saying that out of experience.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm saying that, like, hey, man, don't be like me.

You know what I'm saying?

Be better.

Yo, Mo, do that.

So hopefully you don't have to go do that.

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But in all reality, I think every dude has tricked, whether it be a hoe or a man hoe.

One trick is my perspective, man.

Like, look, man, I'm saying trick.

What I'm saying is like, look man, tricking is all about perspective.

If you are dating somebody and you do for them and it doesn't work out, you want a trick.

If it does work out, you are a provider, you.

You are a good partner.

So like tricking a lot of times about perspective.

Now there's some forms of tricking that aren't subjective.

It just is what it is.

But there's a.

There's a lot of blurry lines in the whole.

Is that tricking or is that just, you know, you doing what you felt good about doing?

But, but is.

It's just.

Is the, Is this true when they say it's not tricking if you got it?

Hell no.

That, that, that's.

That is the dumbest statement ever.

Because look, man, I live in reality and I don't live in feelings.

And the reality of that statement is, is if you don't have it, you can't trick it.

And that's not true, cuz I'm not think I tricked.

No, no, but you had it.

You didn't have.

Now once it was gone, once you tricked it, it.

You didn't have it anymore, but you had to have it to trick.

Like, like, look, well, that's not all the way true because some people do be going broke on credit cards trying to trick me off on these hoes.

So maybe, maybe you don't have to act in fact actually have it, but you got to at least have some credit to trick.

Like you got.

You got to either have cash in hand or credit to.

To adequately trick.

Yo, I love, I love our show, man.

We went from talking about football and, and politics to tricking.

But it all makes sense.

That's the problem.

You transitioned to tricking.

I just want you to know this is a, this is a complete, complete you transition to tricking.

I'm not gonna deny that, but I'm just saying, like, if we wouldn't have talked about this trick, it would have never came up.

But we did.

And that's just a normal course of things.

Okay, now that I've made my argument, ag, can you.

Is it in fact tricking if you got it?

Actually, I'm so glad that you corrected everybody because the first time y' all said that, I thought the same thing.

Thank you, man.

I've always thought that when people, when these, when he dumb simp making songs, that ain't tricking if you got it.

I'm just like, hey man, don't try to justify your tricking for yourself.

I'm not mad at you for tricking, but don't try to convince me that you ain't tricking.

That's because that's what you're doing.

But I do want to ask though, I do want to ask you this.

You just said this and I found it very interesting.

Is, is marriage like a thin veil that covers you from actually being a trick?

Well, I feel like you tricked before you got there.

I mean, if you married the one like, if you like y' all saying.

You made a fair point room.

But that's when I say this comes about perspective because technically what you did was show that you were a provider in order to become married.

Now ag, when it does become tricky.

Okay, I think everybody will understand this.

When y' all get divorced, you get divorced, you become a trick tricking.

You know, you spend all that time tricking because especially if she gets half of stuff that she didn't necessarily work for.

Oh, what, she had a lick and.

You was a lick?

Well, actually now that you say this, I feel like the whole thing is a house of cards.

How about we just be.

If you are a male, you a.

Trick that simplifies everything.

And that was actually the point I was making.

I was just like, look, Ruben was like, hey, leave you.

I'm like, look, it's never happened happened because any guy who's ever entertained women and had some access to any form of funds has in fact, trick.

It's just what you're going to do.

Well, but here's the thing.

We can't just say if you're male because women, tricks are tricks too to other women.

I mean, I mean I, I appreciate you, you giving a feminist opinion by trying to be equal opportunity here.

Here.

Everything ain't always equal, man.

Like I just.

Are there exceptions?

Yes.

So you're saying if a woman spends money on another woman, they ain't tricking.

You have to give it more context than that.

What do you mean say that?

So like, okay, hey, woman wants to ask this other woman out, boom, boom, boom.

You know, they go into a, they get into a relationship, they're in a one year relationship.

Anybody who dates women is, is going to.

No, anybody who dates anybody.

Cuz.

Cuz if a woman asked me out and then she took care of me and then I was like, Deuces, then the woman is a trick.

That's true.

Absolutely rare, but it's true.

Exactly.

I'm like, you're talking about an exception, and that's why I'm saying, like, again, I just want.

I just want us to be.

Because women are.

Women typically and historically aren't providers by nature.

Correct.

Thank you.

Yes.

You know, they were providers by nature then.

Then.

Yes, but they're not.

You're right.

This.

This isn't the portion where we're bashing women.

Because you know what?

Because.

Because.

Because women are not generally providers by nature.

They're generally more nurturing by nature.

And that's what we.

We generally struggle with that.

Because, look, I know I'm not the most nurturing person in my household.

I'm not.

Some.

Somebody falls down in this house and might get up,.

Bone sticking out their leg.

Get up.

Walk it off.

Get your ass up, girl.

Walk it off.

Put some testing on it.

You know what?

That's funny.

Oh, wow.

I mean.

But yeah, you know, I mean, there.

There are some people who are called actively sugar mamas who make more than the man, you know, and in that.

Way that she is attracted.

Yeah.

I mean, hey, look, what I don't want to do is to sit here and just be like, it's all men, because that ain't true.

Well, you can say.

You can say typically.

Let me.

Let me also throw something on what you just said.

Yes.

They have labels for women who do that.

Right.

What is.

What are they called?

What is the label?

You said sugar mamas.

Yeah.

Not negative.

Yeah.

We just sat here and said.

Almost.

We just sat here and said, every man is one, so we don't even need a label.

It's just, you're a man, and that's what you're gonna do.

That.

That lets you know how much of an exception it is.

We had to give it a label.

People.

We were just like, whoa, what is this?

You got to give it a title,.

Something.

Like I said, man, everything.

Everything in the world is not for you.

But this particular thing for men is 100% ours.

If you're a man that you're expected to do certain things.

And this is the.

This is a big portion of it, so hope it works out for you.

But if it doesn't, you a trick.

And honestly, based on, like I said before, like, 10 minutes ago, it's just like, bruh, all of us are tricks.

Simplify the whole thing.

This whole thing that we're trying to do right now is a house of cards.

If You're a dude, you a trick.

Now sometimes, you know, sometimes you get married in a great marriage or whatever, or a great relationship, you know, the outcome is substantial because the other thing men do is leave legacies.

Women don't do that well either.

So, you know, the outcome can be wonderful.

You have kids, they have kids.

You know, they're passed down.

All these things that you see started or, you know, somebody in your family started that was a man.

So it's just like.

And most of the time, it is a man.

You can be mad all you want to, you know, based on what I just said.

But again, historically, and typically, men leave legacies, kind of the job part of the job.

Women don't do that.

When women make a lot of money, it's their money.

They're not looking forward.

They're not looking at everybody else saying, you know, if I make my son good, then he's going to make his son good.

And on and on and on.

And we have.

Right now, I make generational wealth.

Women don't say those things.

That's true.

I've expressed it several times.

A lot of chicks saying that they're boss bitches.

And I'm like, no, you're just successful.

Exactly.

Because bosses are responsible.

They have.

They're responsible for everything.

And look, I'm not knocking you for being successful in getting yours.

I'm just saying make sure you know what it is.

There's a difference.

Make your money, girl.

100%.

So that's.

That's all we're saying.

Ruby, you right.

No, no, but it's super rare.

It's like a white tiger, man.

They're not abundant.

Hey, so.

So at the very least, we learned today that whether you got it or not is still tricking.

Yeah.

And you.

And you just asked these young men when they're at their trick, is maximus at 18 years old with a whole bunch of money, Money to not do.

Trick is Maximus.

Wow.

Hilarious.

You don't think that's a fair statement?

Like.

No, I just.

That's the most funny.

That's the trick is Maximus age right there.

He's not wrong.

Made $6 million playing quarterback.

And.

And your dick gets hard when the wind blows.

You're golden.

Please.

Yeah, you're golden.

Because in 20, 25 years, that won't be the case.

Have some money.

Old dudes blow their money to get some sex and they got to have Viagra and do all types of other things to make it happen.

When.

When you just can sneeze to an erection like Bro, like yeah, the money is just going to be thrown all over the place.

Hey, just take it.

Why, why do you think think Atlanta has so many young rappers talk about Magic City.

Because they're the trickest Maximus A's and there is an a plethora of stuff out there for them to throw money at.

It's where all the worlds are colliding.

You got a whole bunch of BBLs and women who are basically advertising right here and you got a whole bunch of people who are like hey, that is actually what I'm in the market for currently.

Here you go.

There you go.

That's funny.

Ah, and and to end this, shout out to Usher.

So oh you remember back in the day when he printed out his own money with his face on it, went to Magic City and gave it.

That was the pettiest thing ever.

Man.

That's, that's the greatest ever.

I wish I could get away with that.

See he don't go to jail.

My ass will be in jail.

So now shout out to Usher.

That was dope.

He's, he's for that.

He, he is a one time hero because he did some that normal people can't do.

We can't do that and still get to walk the planet.

Hell no.

So with that being said at what's.

On your mind say by the bell, Lisa Turtle in particular.

Now if you are not old enough to know what that is, I understand.

But I got a shout out saved by the bell from a executive point of view because they went out of their way to make this girl secretly a boss while none of us were really paying attention.

Number one, she was elite beauty.

So she was on the level of everybody that was fine on that show and any other show like it.

But the biggest thing that they did was they made her life stable and elite from a financial standpoint.

Everybody else on that show was either broke and or one parent was gone or no parent.

All,.

All of them had little issues or whatever it is.

And towards the end of the show when they, when they had summer jobs, they had summer jobs at Lisa's.

Lisa Turtle's parents country club.

She was the only person that didn't have to work.

And I did not realize that until somebody broke it down to me and I went back and I look, I.

Was like, yeah, I never even thought about that.

She was the most stable financially, parentally, all familia, all those things.

She was the most stable.

Kelly Kapowski.

Her family was broken.

They were broke.

Jesse's parents weren't even mentioned.

Slater's parents were divorced and Zach's parents were divorced.

Everybody on that show had issues.

Everybody except Lisa.

She had a two parent home.

They had an enormous amount of wealth.

She never wanted for anything and she always was above where her friends were.

Like I said that summer that they worked at the, at the country club.

She got every one of those kids jobs and she never had to work.

She was having fun when they were working, working.

So shout out to the executives that decided to allow that to happen.

Shout out to casting for finding a beautiful black girl to play that role.

And it happened right under our noses.

She was not the narrative and nobody noticed.

So that's what's on my mind.

Well, that's why they gave her a screech problem.

It didn't matter.

She was going to have a screech problem anyway because she fun.

It didn't matter.

All right, thank you, sir.

Mo B, what's on your mind?

Nickelodeon man?

Now, man, I know it's a random thing for me to say, but Nickelodeon man.

So I am really in the era of like Nickelodeon making the boom.

The.

The three major cartoons that Nickelodeon hit on, like the Rugrats, all that was firmly when I was growing up and one of my favorite cartoons, I didn't even know that I was personally living it.

Recently I just heard something about the show Doug.

I did not know the creator of Doug was from Richmond.

And he was basically saying that Bluffington was like his interpretation of how Richmond was where he lived.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, yeah.

Which is crazy because I hated this place when I was younger.

But yet that showed Doug.

I was just like, man.

I mean, I did think it was kind of messed up that the only black dude he knew he had to make him blue was like, hey, man, you know, you did what you did, man.

Like, I get it.

Nickelodeon didn't want you to have a brown person up there.

So he was like, hey, what if I made Sker blue?

And he was like, that'll work.

We could do that.

Long as he ain't black.

I mean, they didn't want to make him a token.

I mean, you kind of did anyway.

Just made him a blue token.

Just, you know, seems like you got a whole town full of people in this one smurf.

Just, you know, gather that in the round.

You know, making random sounds with a ridiculously high pitched voice for some reason.

And Doug used to hate on him a lot.

A lot of episodes was Doug hating on Skeeter, which makes sense, you know, hey, hate on the pool, black dude.

I Get it?

But yeah, man.

So shout out to that dude, man, who made a show.

And he said Doug was like, his alter ego or how he envisioned things when he was a kid.

And he was like, the people on the show were based on real people in his life.

And before the show came out, Nickelodeon, he was actually calling these people saying, hey, there's going to be a character of you on Nickelodeon.

Like, that was supposed to be a reflection of you.

And I'm like, first of all, you really have to do that.

Like, you know, he have to tell, like, what, are they gonna sue you?

You?

Like, it was the one black dude, he never gonna be like, hey, man, you made me blue.

I'm sorry.

That was hilarious.

Hey, man, you made me blue.

But I mean, yeah, man.

So, hey, shout out to that dude, man.

Doug, funny man.

Like Patty Mayonnaise.

He said that was a.

A girl he had a crush on when he was a kid.

He never got over it.

That's what he said.

I never got over.

So I literally made a whole show about how I had a crush on this chick I never got over.

Wow.

Been there like, yo, like, hey, whoever she is, like, first of all, I want to meet her.

I want to meet whoever inspired Patty Mayonnaise.

Because when you watch the show, petty maneuver that fine.

And.

And she didn't really have, like, a lot of great characteristics.

I mean, like, I'm kind of like, hey, bro, what did you see in her so much?

Like, she was down.

She was a down chick.

But it's like, you're right, ag.

Maybe that's why he was like, look, man, I ain't gonna make this chick overly fine on this.

Yeah, man, cuz you don't want to blow her head up.

I mean, you know a whole show about her, like, you gotta blow her head up.

It's already done, 100%.

But the funny thing is, she might not be all that now.

You know, things change.

Things change, man.

Yeah, I wanna.

I wanna meet her because I want to be like, hey, man, did he at least get to touch you?

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Did he?

I'm not.

I'm not trying to get Dev into your sexual history or anything.

I'm just saying, like, did.

Did he get.

Did he get to any base?

Did he get to the first base?

I would say no.

Any base?

I would say no because he made a whole cartoon series about this chick that he couldn't have.

See Ruben.

And I'mma disagree with that because I'mma say the only way you Are not over it.

Thirty years later in life is.

Is you got a taste, you just didn't get all of it.

You know what I'm saying?

I would be like, hey, bro, you.

You.

You couldn't give my man Doug funny, You know, one, one dabble, you know what I'm saying?

You couldn't.

Didn't she kiss him on the cheek once?

Exactly.

It was a couple times kissing on the cheek.

But I'm just like, yo, maybe that was it.

You.

You let my man get a reach around nothing.

You ain't like, you know, you a.

You are completely sully in this cartoon, man.

What are you doing?

No, but here's, here's the thing, man, because I think she.

She needs to, like, she needs to write a book because she needs to be like, yo, man, I was so amazing to this dude who didn't even really get nothing from me that he still wasn't over me.

Like, 30 years later.

He was broke, in his 50s, making a cartoon about me.

Oh, my goodness, he not wrong.