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In this episode of the Black Executive Perspective Podcast, hosts Tony Tidbit and Chris P. Reed, joined by guest Candice C. Jones, President of the Public Welfare Foundation, discuss the unique challenges faced by Black women in leadership roles. The conversation covers systemic obstacles, the importance of building supportive networks, and the critical role of mentorship. Candice shares her personal leadership journey, insights on navigating predominantly non-Black environments, and strategies to maintain confidence amidst microaggressions. The episode emphasizes the value of diverse mentorship and building strong, meaningful relationships to foster success.

▶︎ In This Episode

  1. 00:00: Building a Network of Mentors
  2. 00:38: Introduction to the Podcast
  3. 01:27: Guest Introduction: Candice C. Jones
  4. 02:13: Candice's Background and Early Career
  5. 04:11: Candice's Personal Life and Move to DC
  6. 06:06: Challenges and Inspirations
  7. 06:52: Candice's Origin Story
  8. 11:57: Navigating Racial Inequities in Education
  9. 14:44: Transition to College and Diversity
  10. 21:41: Facing Corporate America
  11. 28:53: Embracing Authenticity
  12. 29:43: Navigating Imposter Syndrome
  13. 31:28: Challenges of Being the First
  14. 33:05: Finding Mentorship in Unlikely Places
  15. 37:18: Building a Diverse Network
  16. 42:45: Advice for Introverts
  17. 47:18: Overcoming Resistance
  18. 50:48: Final Thoughts and Inspiration
  19. 57:38 Call to Action: LESS Framework

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Candice C. Jones: All black women

that I'm coaching or working with

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that I'm like, you need to have

a kitchen cabinet of mentors.

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They are not transactional relationships.

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They are real meaningful relationship

that when done well are a two-way street

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that you pour into and they should be

with a diverse set of stakeholders.

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Right?

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Even amongst people of color,

there are people with different

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skill sets and lived experiences.

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So because they're gonna

pull different, you know.

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I have multiple black women that I

go, they are not the same black woman.

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They do not have the same experience.

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Tony Tidbit: We'll

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discuss race and how it plays a factor

and how we didn't even talk about

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this topic because we were afraid.

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BEP Narrator: A Black

Executive Perspective.

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Tony Tidbit: Welcome to the Black

Executive Perspective Podcast,

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a safe space where we discuss

all matters relating to race,

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especially race in corporate America.

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I'm your host, Tony Tidbit.

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Chris P. Reed: And I'm

your co host, Chris P.

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Reed.

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Tony Tidbit: And we are live at WNHU, the

University of New Haven podcast studio.

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We want to thank them for our partnership.

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I think the students are going to be

back when about a month from here, a

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couple of weeks, Noel next week, next

week, they're going to be back running

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around looking to get enlightened.

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So we're looking forward to seeing

them, but we want to thank them.

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Go chargers.

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Chris P. Reed: We also want to thank

our partners at CodeM Magazine,

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whose mission is saving the black

family by first saving the black man.

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That is CodeM Magazine.

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Check them out.

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CodeM Magazine, 2Ms.

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com.

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Tony Tidbit: Yes,

definitely check them out.

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So today we are joined by Candice C.

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Jones, president of the Public Welfare

Foundation to explore her leadership

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journey and the unique challenges faced

by black women in leadership roles.

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We'll delve into systemic obstacles,

the significance of building supportive

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networks, and the crucial role of

mentorship in fostering success.

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Candice will provide personal insights

and effective strategies that empower

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Black women to thrive as leaders and

discuss how we can better support and

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promote Black women in these positions.

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Chris P. Reed: Before we go too

deep into this, Tony, let me just

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give a little background on Candice.

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And so therefore we have a baseline

of who she is and what she's about.

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So Candice joined the Public Welfare

Foundation in Washington, DC, as

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its president and CEO in 2017.

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Previously, she had served as a senior

advisor at Chicago CRED, an organization

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that focuses on gun violence in Chicago.

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In that role, she worked on securing

greater investments for violence

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intervention, Programs as an alternative

to criminal justice systems prior to

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that role Candice serves as director

of juvenile justice for the state of

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illinois where she primarily responsible

Was responsible for establishing

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reforms that reduced the number

of youths in the state custody She

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also served as a white house fellow

managing a portfolio within the U.S.

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Department of education that included

developing educational strategies

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for correctional institutions In this

role, she shepherded a plan to re to

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reinstate federal pale grants for youth

and adults in state custody earlier in

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her career Candice served as a program

officer with the MacArthur foundation

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where she managed a grant portfolio, uh

portfolio focused on decreasing racial

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and ethnic disparities in juvenile in

the juvenile justice system and Improving

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the quality of defense afforded to

indignant youth indigent indigent youth.

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Excuse me Candice received her jd You

From New York University School of Law and

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her VA from Washington University in St.

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Louis.

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Candice, with all these other

things going on, welcome to a black

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executive perspective podcast.

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Candice C. Jones: How you doing Chris?

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It's good to

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Tony Tidbit: see you too, my girl.

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You're like, you're looking

so lovely and awesome.

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And you know, I, I was looking at our

clock because, uh, all the accolades

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that Chris was going through, I thought

we're going to run out of time here.

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Right.

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There's going to be, there's

going to be a quick podcast.

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Hello.

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How you doing?

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Everything but a Heisman Trophy.

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Candice C. Jones: Can you go through it?

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I said a

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Chris P. Reed: lot of

things, a lot of hours.

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So, so let me, let me ask

you a question though.

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Um, tell us about where you are currently

and a little bit about your family.

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Candice C. Jones: Yeah.

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I'm actually living right

now in Washington DC.

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It's where the foundation is

based, but I have to say it because

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I'm born and raised in Chicago.

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And when you are from the

shy, it's always in you.

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You just got to name it out of respect.

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And my family's still there.

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I live in DC with my

partner and his daughter.

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And so just, you know.

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A regular black girl.

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Tony Tidbit: Oh, I love that, right?

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So, look, you went from Chi town, right?

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Now you're in the government area, right?

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That's right.

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You know what I'm saying?

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I mean, that's a big move though, right?

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But let me ask you this.

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How do you like being in D.

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C.?

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Candice C. Jones: I like it.

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I do.

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It's a beautiful city.

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It was a big transition

to move from Chicago.

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You know, you get in a place and

you just, it's your whole world.

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And I had lived in some big cities

because I lived in New York.

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Uh, but DC is really beautiful.

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It's smaller, uh, but all the

investment in parks and public spaces.

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It's really gorgeous.

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It's nice.

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah, I

mean, listen, I love D.

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C.

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I've been down there numerous of times.

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The only thing I don't

like is the traffic, right?

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Because it can be, you know, I

mean, the beltway can be insane.

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Candice C. Jones: Well, I just

feel like it wasn't built for

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the population that it has.

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You have all these tiny little

streets with two way traffic.

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I'm like, uh uh, y'all.

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And people with these very

suspect driving skills.

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Tony Tidbit: You, we hear that.

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Well, no matter where, nobody,

where somebody live at, right?

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Right.

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You can be in Texas,

they can't drive here.

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Candice C. Jones: You ain't

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Tony Tidbit: lying.

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. You can be in California.

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They can't drive here.

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All right, so I'm looking to

move to the state where they can

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drive, all right, because I in

Connecticut, they can't drive.

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Right?

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Candice C. Jones: Where is it, Tony?

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It's like, what is not making,

why they not making, uh, right

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hand turns from the left lane.

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Chris P. Reed: gotta be Montana.

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Got to be Montana where

you got room to roam.

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Tony Tidbit: Exactly.

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Right.

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And the cattle might be saying

they can't drive there either.

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Right.

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But all serious, we got some serious

stuff that we want to talk about today.

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So we want to ask you, so why did you want

to come on a black executive perspective

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podcast to talk about this topic?

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Candice C. Jones: Cause you

guys are creating a platform

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for important conversations.

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These conversations need to exist.

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There needs to be a space

where we talk about.

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Leadership and then through

extension leadership challenges

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that black executives face.

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And so I want to be a part of an

important conversation that you guys

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are having it any way that I can.

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That's why I wanted to come on.

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Tony Tidbit: Well, number one, you fit the

bill because that's exactly what we have.

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And that's exactly what we do.

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So listen.

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I see you, you chomping, you

leaning into the screen, so

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you must be ready to go at it.

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You ready to talk about it, my friend?

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Candice C. Jones: I'm ready to do it.

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Tony Tidbit: All right,

let's talk about it.

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Chris P. Reed: So, you know, interestingly

enough, every superhero, based off, you

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know, your bio and the little I know of

yous thus far, has an origin story, right?

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So, can you give me a little bit

of game about, you know, I'm from,

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I'm from Peoria, so can you give me

a little game about your journey?

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I'm from Detroit, you

know what I'm saying?

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First

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Candice C. Jones: of all, I need y'all

not to bury the importance of this game.

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Come on now, all this Midwestern love.

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Not Peoria, not right up the street.

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I need y'all to give me the important

parts right out of the gate.

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Absolutely.

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You

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Tony Tidbit: wanted that authentic, you

know, that feel right off the bat, right?

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Chris P. Reed: Good with

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Tony Tidbit: your people.

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Chris P. Reed: It's good with your people.

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But, uh, so how did this all begin?

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You know, where did you realize that

this is ultimately where my path

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is headed and what I'd like to do

is eventually become The president

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of public welfare foundation,

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Candice C. Jones: you know, I grew up

on, uh, and you'll know this, Chris,

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I grew up on the West side of Chicago.

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If you're not from Chicago, it's

sort of like more amorphous, but

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it's sort of like, uh, black.

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Overly impoverished super.

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It was really forgotten about.

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It was the target for the war on drugs

when I was coming up in the 80s and

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90s, grew up there and had a big family.

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You know, my family came up from

Alabama to great migration, like

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all of us, Detroit, correct?

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Correct.

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Alabama.

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Yeah, correct.

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We came up, had a big family there.

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And I just saw a lot of my cousins, a

lot of loved ones getting caught up in

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the system, people that I knew love, good

kids, and I, even before I think I had

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words for it in my mind, I formed this

idea that if there is a system designed

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to attack these people, Then something

about the system is flawed and that's

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how I knew I wanted to be a lawyer.

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I wanted to have the tools really just

to protect my loved ones early on.

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And I think in the original seeds

of how I ended up doing what I do

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today, that was what was happening.

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And I just went on to law school

and sort of ended up here.

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Tony Tidbit: Wow.

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That is awesome.

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How did, so look, You know, and I'm

just, you know, I didn't grow up

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on the west side of Chicago, but I

grew up on the west side of Detroit.

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Right.

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And I can definitely, I can emulate,

I can see exactly what you saw, you

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know, out of your living room window.

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Right.

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So, and friends of ours getting

caught up that were very talented.

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Right.

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That could have been anything.

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Right.

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I mean, anything.

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Right.

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But, you know, the seeds

of prosperity wasn't there.

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To be a lawyer.

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Somebody's got to put that in your head.

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Okay?

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Because, you know, a lot of

times we, we, if we don't see it.

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Right.

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We can't become it.

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Right.

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Right.

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And so I want to ask you, what was

a big influence, you know, growing

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up in an area where there wasn't,

you didn't see a lot of opportunity.

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You didn't see a lot of people that

maybe was a lawyer or a doctor.

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So tell us about who inspired you, who

put that seed of that, that spark in

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your eye for you to go out and become

a lawyer and take it to the next level.

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Candice C. Jones: I

will be honest with you.

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It's interesting because I

don't think people believe this.

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There is so much to be said for

black representation, right?

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So I came up in a time when

we had a different world.

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Whatever your sort of like

politics or feelings about

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it in the Cosby show, right?

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I wanted to be Not the actress, Felicia

Rashad, but I want it to be Claire Hanks

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Huxtable, that smart black female lawyer.

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And it's like some of those

seeds and influences early

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on, I think really shaped me.

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And then I had teachers and counselors.

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who were very early on, like, you could

do anything, just keep reading, keep

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your nose in the books, and these are

the types of things that you could do.

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But when there wasn't that immediate

representation of all the possibilities,

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seeing those images of Black people doing

well in movies and television shows and

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theaters, it created some seeds of all

the possibilities that were out there.

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Tony Tidbit: Wow, and you know, what's

interesting, Is that you, you went, you

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went into the character versus being an

actor or actress or stuff of that nature.

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So those roles where they were

doctors or, or, or, you know,

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lawyers and stuff to that nature,

even though it was a show, right.

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You saw that as a possibility for you.

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And then that inspired you to

say, this is what I want to do.

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Candice C. Jones: That's exactly right.

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I saw that representation

of a smart black woman.

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Who carried herself well,

who knew things, could answer

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questions, could take on things.

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And I said, it's not the, it's not

the playing at that that I want to do.

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It's the actual being that.

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Chris P. Reed: I didn't realize that.

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You know, it was outside of our

community that, that kids were having

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issues and things of that nature.

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I thought it was just about

us and things like that.

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Like maybe that was her caseload,

but then when I got older and of

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course now here in Dallas, I am a,

a, uh, child appointed advocate.

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And so I work with CPS

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Tony Tidbit: and

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Chris P. Reed: you realize

that it's the majority of the

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children that are affected,

neglected, and are in the system.

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Are of minority status.

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And so when did you realize that

it was more disproportionately

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something that was affecting you

and your community, but it also was

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something that resonated far and wide.

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Candice C. Jones: Yeah.

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You know, it's so many ways.

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I feel like the first buzz I'll

never get being in high school, big,

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big, big black public high school.

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Uh, it was like almost 3000 kids.

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And I, we were coming back

from a field trip one day.

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Uh, be in.

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Came back from a field trip and

they put us in the teacher's lounge.

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You know, you are high school.

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You'll never go in the teacher's lounge.

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I don't put kids in the

teacher's lounge, right?

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It's a sacred space for the teachers.

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They put us in the teacher's lounge and

said, you guys just have to stay in here.

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And then they locked us in there.

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And we were in that lounge

for probably like two hours.

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And we were like, what's going on?

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Like what's happening.

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And we realized that they were

running drug dogs through the school

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and like searching people's lockers.

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And the next day, like hundreds

of people were expelled.

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And I remember just in that moment,

to your point of like having this

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moment of being like, now I didn't

have a comparative analysis.

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I didn't have like some data report

that says, oh, they not doing this

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at Nutria, but even at that point

in my life, I was like, Okay.

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They're not doing this at a different

school, like this is not okay.

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Everything about it just felt wrong, the

way it was done, the lack of information,

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the lack of information, the parents.

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And I'm like, they're just

not doing this somewhere else.

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And I feel like that was like

a real racial awakening for me.

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And it's something that still

stays with me to this day.

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Tony Tidbit: Right, right, right.

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You know, you said 3000

students, um, at the high school.

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Okay.

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And I, you know, growing up in

Detroit, I tell my daughters, right?

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Because we live in a town.

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I think their high

school population is 600.

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Candice C. Jones: The whole school,

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Tony Tidbit: the whole school, right?

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And in Detroit, they were like,

I think 20, 25 high schools.

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All right.

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And it was 3000 students.

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And think about it.

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And in some classes, you had 40.

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Forty something kids in one class.

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Yeah.

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How is everybody learning?

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Yeah, okay.

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They're not.

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All right.

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They're not if you're especially you

sitting in the back you survive All right,

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because the other kids are smacking on

the back of the head and they're doing

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all these other things And and it's

just just being in that environment

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Candice C. Jones: Yeah,

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Tony Tidbit: doesn't it's not

inducive for kids to learn right?

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And so and hearing that story it reminds

me, you know, we had something similar

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like that Knowing that that was a racial

awakening for you You Did it inspire you?

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Cause look, you grew up in a,

in a area that the majority

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of people probably were black.

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And then you didn't see anything

until you probably went to college.

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So speak a little bit about that as you

came out of Chicago, when you went to

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college, and then all of a sudden, now

you're dealing with a lot of diversity

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that you didn't deal with as growing

up in, in the West side of Chicago.

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Candice C. Jones: Yeah.

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You know, what's so interesting too,

Chicago is one of the most, uh, it,

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it Detroit segregated, one of the most

segregated cities in America by design.

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You know, the Midwest, we sort of

like mastered redlining really early.

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So communities like

Chicago, so you're right.

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I managed to grow up in a city.

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And frankly, the interesting thing

about Chicago is racially super diverse.

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You know, we had a lot of Puerto

Rican people, a ton of Polish people,

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more Polish people in Chicago.

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There are more Polish people in Chicago.

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It's the biggest population

outside of Poland.

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It was like tons of different cultures,

Italian communities, but they didn't mix.

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Everybody stayed in their

neighborhood is extremely segregated.

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And so I did, I lived my whole

life and I thought we owned the

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whole world, especially because

I remember being, I did, I did.

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Listen, I will tell you, I

remember being young in Chicago.

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Harold Washington was mayor.

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Okay.

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Right.

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Jesse Jackson was doing operation push.

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And we had the nation of Islam.

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Like I was like, Oh, the

whole world is black.

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We all, we run everything.

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But then you're right.

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Go off to college.

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I went to Wash U.

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In St.

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Louis, just going to St.

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Louis was like a real

awakening because St.

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Louis is technically, you know, Missouri

is the Midwest, but it becomes very

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Southern when you get, you know, when

you get down state, going to school

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in Missouri, you know, and there's

the It was a very different school.

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I mean, I think it was like a 10%, less

than 10 percent of the kids were black.

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Very few.

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Um, it wasn't a very racially

diverse school and a lot of the kids

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there were not, they were affluent.

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You know, it was a lot of

money and it was different.

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I went there because my older

brother actually had a brother

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that was three years older than me.

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We're super close.

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He was really struggling.

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He was the oldest, had spent

his whole life in Black America,

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went down to college and was

sort of like really struggling.

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In that environment, because all

of a sudden you're aware, you know,

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this is to your point earlier, Chris,

of all the things that you hadn't

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gotten and that these kids have had

their whole life taken for granted.

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And the reason I went to the

school is because my mom was like,

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you gotta go down there and you

gotta get my baby out of there.

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He's struggling.

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So she was like, you, I

wanted to go to Howard.

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I had grown up watching a different world.

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She was like, no, you want to Wash U.

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. So my, you make sure my baby graduates.

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And I ended up there so that

we could be there together.

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Okay.

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But it was night and day and it was

really just like, I think, and it

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was interesting watching my brother's

experience where I think he was really

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struggling with this idea of like, they've

had all these things that we never had.

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And I lived the same experience, but my

idea was like, Oh, I was like, they've

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had all these things we, we never had.

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And we are ending up at the

same starting line in a race.

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Right.

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In my mind, he saw it as a

deficit and I saw it as an asset.

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Right.

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Because it was like, I was like, if

we've ended up in this same principal

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position and we've come through all

the stuff we've already gone through, I

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know that just means we can run harder.

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And I, in my mind, I was just sort

of like, I can dust these kids like,

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it's going to be nothing, you know?

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And so, but he saw it's so much of, um,

it can really be different from lived,

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uh, lived experience of individuals

because we really both experienced

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that transition in different ways.

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Chris P. Reed: It's amazing that you

say that because I live that in reverse.

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Uh, my daughter goes to North

Park University in Chicago, right?

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On North side.

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I

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Candice C. Jones: love that.

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And

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Chris P. Reed: so, and so we, you know,

she grew up and we had more things

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than I had when I was growing up, but

when I got there and this kid's in.

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And all of a sudden it's

tucked away and it's so quaint.

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It don't even seem like

you in the city anymore.

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And it's, you know, you don't even

realize you showed up at school.

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The Uber driver's like, we're here.

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Like, Oh, did you go past some bushes?

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And it, and then, and then

it just opens up, right.

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You know, uh, grand buildings, everything.

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And the first question I asked her was,

do you feel like you can compete here?

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And she was like, Oh yeah, yeah.

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It's one dude that was homeschooled.

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He really smart.

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But other than that,

that's all I need to hear.

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She's, she's about to be a senior

this year, you know, molecular biology

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major, but the moral of the story is

I was concerned because I knew I did.

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Okay.

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Right.

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But I ain't do like these

people, folks like, like

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But when she said, yeah, I can compete

here, it was kinda like what you said

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when you got the, you know, to the

loo like, man, I, I'm, I got there.

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I could do this and I can

swim and save a life, right?

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:

Yeah, exactly.

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Exactly.

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To swim, to save you.

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But that's beautiful.

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That's a beautiful situation.

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:

How you got there?

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How did you translate that into

realizing I can only, I can compete here.

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'cause I want her to do the same thing.

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I would love her to follow in

your footsteps and the idea of

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I can not only survive here.

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But I can turn this into a

thriving mechanism, and then I can

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actually lead here at some point.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Candice C. Jones: I think so much

of it is sort of like, and this

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is a part of the conversation

about being a Black executive.

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We are going to come into a situation

with a lot of things stacked against

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us, like a lot of odds and so much of

it is whether or not we're going to

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internalize that as sort of like our

deficiencies, or actually, when you're

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calculating that math, say the thing

that is the truth, which is that with

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everything that's been set up against us.

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You know, in a work situation, in an

educational situation, if we're ending

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up principally at the same part, like,

starting spot as somebody else with, uh,

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a lot more privilege, society would like

us to believe that that means that they're

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going to dust us there at a deficit.

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But if you have had nothing but

headwinds the entire way, it ended up

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in that same spot, who worked harder?

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:

You worked harder.

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:

Who's got to be the stronger runner, the

stronger pacer, the stronger performer?

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And if we can just get our leaders and

our individuals to be able actually to

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:

acknowledge that reality, They know that

it's really, that they are already the

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:

stronger performer and that it allows you

to sort of like position yourself in those

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:

settings to be like, nah, if I got here

with you, like I got this, like, you know,

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:

really, if you're standing in a ring, I'm

probably not even in your weight class.

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Tony Tidbit: Right.

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:

Right.

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:

You know, it reminds me of the, um, you

ever see the movie, um, what's the movie?

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A Vietnam movie with my brother.

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Um, Charlie Sheen was in it.

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:

Who platoon?

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You ever seen the movie Platoon?

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:

Yes.

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:

Okay.

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Up there.

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And what was the brother's name?

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The brother, um, I forget his name right.

486

:

And, but Net Net, uh, um, uh, Charlie

Sheen said something and then my man said,

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look, all you gotta do is get outta here.

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:

Right?

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And the rest of your

life is gravy, . Right.

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Every day it's gravy.

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Right.

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:

And, and, you know.

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:

Let me throw something else at you though.

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Let me let me let me come from

the opposite side of that.

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:

Okay Um, like when I came into

corporate america, I didn't walk

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in like this is against me Right.

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I walked in Like number one, I

believed I I I rated with everybody

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and I had a mindset of growing Okay.

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Candice C. Jones: Yeah,

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Tony Tidbit: so I didn't come in,

you know thinking this that I came

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in like I'm gonna, I'm gonna come in

here and I'm gonna rise up through

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the ranks and I'm gonna kick butt now.

503

:

Along the way, all of a sudden, I start,

people start throwing curveballs at me,

504

:

or people start, I remember this one, and

people get jealous, they see that you're

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:

on a, on a track, and then your superiors

like you, and they see that you're This

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:

person who just came in this door and

I've been here for years, this person's

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:

coming in and immediately because they

got a one track mind, he's personal,

508

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but not only that, he works hard.

509

:

This and that whole nine yards.

510

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Then they try to handcuff.

511

:

They try to throw a tank trap in front

of you that you can get tripped up on.

512

:

Right?

513

:

And it's, it's, it's, it's, um,

and it's not, um, it's not, what's

514

:

the, what's the word I want you.

515

:

It's, it's, it's subtle.

516

:

Yeah.

517

:

Okay.

518

:

It's not like they come out and

say, yeah, I'm gonna mess you up.

519

:

All right.

520

:

They do little bit.

521

:

So talk a little, because I think that's

a lot of the things that we deal with in

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:

terms of we, we have these huge ideas.

523

:

We have the talent, we

have the brain power.

524

:

Okay.

525

:

We come in figuring that, okay, yeah,

I went through all this stuff, but I'm

526

:

here now and I'm going to rise up and

I'm going to be senior vice president.

527

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I'm gonna be chief this.

528

:

I'm going to do that.

529

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And then you start trying to

navigate and then you feel hamstrung.

530

:

Okay.

531

:

I love to hear your thoughts on that.

532

:

Candice C. Jones: That's absolutely right.

533

:

I mean, it becomes like death

by a thousand pinpricks, right?

534

:

Because what happens is you go

in, you're putting in there.

535

:

You're not just putting in good work.

536

:

You're double timing it, right?

537

:

You're killing it.

538

:

You're staying late, but you realize

it's sort of like, you know, It's almost

539

:

like what you realize, especially in

corporate America and professional

540

:

settings, there's an above board game

and then there's a below board game.

541

:

And the below board game is really sort of

like a lot of mental mastinations people.

542

:

And I remember in 1 of my early

professional settings, sort of being

543

:

in this very conservative environment,

doing good work, trying to be personable,

544

:

professional, and just sort of having, um.

545

:

It wasn't a diverse setting and

having what felt like almost a

546

:

lot of little mind game things.

547

:

You know, people would say little stuff.

548

:

It was basically like a setting

full of microaggressions.

549

:

And I, um, it can be

difficult to navigate.

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:

I remember talking to my mother about

it, uh, at the time and sort of, cause

551

:

I had a mentor, one of my law school

mentors at the time was a white male.

552

:

And he was like, that sounds

like a lot of mind games.

553

:

And he's like, you're smart.

554

:

You know how to play a mind game.

555

:

So just.

556

:

You know, out think them and sort of

be along, be, be ahead of them in it.

557

:

And I remember telling my mother that

and her saying a thing that stays

558

:

with me to the today, which is, she

was like, I raised you to be a person

559

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of a certain kind of character and.

560

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That character is not one that

sort of does microaggressions

561

:

and plays mind games, even when

you can see people doing them.

562

:

So like, so one thing I want you to hold

as you navigate this environment is how

563

:

you actually stay true to the person

you were raised to be and sort of it.

564

:

So this goes to the point of like, how

do you stay authentically who you are?

565

:

Do you play the game?

566

:

And I think it's really important,

you know, in my experience, it's

567

:

important to stay true to who you are.

568

:

And I think one of the ways to do it,

which in, in that setting, and this was

569

:

really early in my career, so I think

the more seniority you have, you know,

570

:

you can get in a position where you

can sort of relax into yourself more.

571

:

Nobody gets that at the beginning.

572

:

Tony Tidbit: No,

573

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Candice C. Jones: right.

574

:

You just knew you, everybody's building

credibility, every man for himself,

575

:

no matter what school you went to

grades, you got, you still, you know,

576

:

you showing up day one, you knew.

577

:

And I remember, you know, at that sort

of junior point in my career, just sort

578

:

of being like, Naming the thing really

clearly to a supervisor that was like,

579

:

it kind of, in the most respectful

way, like, I know what you're doing,

580

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I'm not going to do it with you.

581

:

Just sort of know, like, and

it wasn't like big flares.

582

:

I've never been a super emotional person.

583

:

Like I'm very like, matter of

fact, but just sort of being like.

584

:

In these instances, I'm totally

cognizant of what you're doing and

585

:

I'm just not going to do it with you.

586

:

And I just, I'll never get the way she

looked just sort of like one, she didn't,

587

:

you know, there was nothing she could say.

588

:

Cause she, she felt, I think really shut

down one cause she knew she was doing it.

589

:

And two, I think because she was off

put by frankly, how like mature I was

590

:

at that point in my career to be like.

591

:

You know, so stop now, I'd like to

say that she stopped doing it, but

592

:

part of it is that people who are

capable of that are, you know, in

593

:

the distinct way that I wasn't raised

that way, they just are, you know, so

594

:

she couldn't totally stop doing it.

595

:

But I think she was, she was a little more

reserved, a little more guarded because

596

:

she knew I was going to call her on it.

597

:

At that point also, it's

like I had a JD in law.

598

:

I'm like, girl,

599

:

I think both of us ought to be aware that

I can document Stop being silly, you know?

600

:

So it's like, I think it sort of like

dialed her back in a way that did

601

:

make her a sort of an overall better

colleague, but it kind of put her on

602

:

edge about how um, she was acted and she

was really clear on the boundaries in

603

:

the way that I was gonna carry myself.

604

:

I was gonna carry myself in a way that

was respectful and true to who I was.

605

:

And I think it forced other people

in that environment to respect me.

606

:

And interestingly enough, to this day,

I have a better relationship with.

607

:

The woman who was her supervisor

that I do with the woman who was

608

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supervising me, I think in large

part, because she also respected me

609

:

a great deal for how I handled that.

610

:

And so I do think there are

opportunities to navigate those

611

:

settings, but it's not fair.

612

:

It's ridiculous.

613

:

It's so much, you know, it's so much,

it's just sort of like a manifestation

614

:

of like racialized terror and human

nature, because it's like, you can't

615

:

let somebody else just sort of live.

616

:

Right.

617

:

And we see that come out a

lot in work environments.

618

:

Right.

619

:

Chris P. Reed: Right for you.

620

:

Let me ask you this because it

appears as if you always had a lot

621

:

of audacity that you, you always went

in kind of knowing this and that.

622

:

And so, you know, and I know

Tony and I've talked about this.

623

:

He came in guns blazing and

thinking I can do this, not do that.

624

:

And I came in hoping that they didn't

realize I wasn't from nowhere and hoping

625

:

that, like, I came in under the radar.

626

:

I'm gonna keep getting these

checks until they catch up to me.

627

:

Right.

628

:

And so I came in quiet and observant.

629

:

And so the route that I took was

figuring out, stay behind the scenes,

630

:

be very covert, understand how the

game is played here, how things work

631

:

here, you know, and then incrementally

get to those places where I am, uh,

632

:

evolving to those positions because

I, I match all of the criteria.

633

:

And then there was a, uh, an epiphany

that occurred or transition point where

634

:

now, as you said, when you had Joe

JD, they can't tell you a damn thing.

635

:

I got to the point where I

was like, okay, I'm good.

636

:

Now I can be me all of a sudden.

637

:

They're like, where

did all this come from?

638

:

Too late, too late.

639

:

You didn't let me in.

640

:

Um, was there a point in time in your

evolution where you felt like the school,

641

:

my school should have been better.

642

:

My gradeship, was there ever

that in your spirit that you felt

643

:

like you needed to compensate?

644

:

For being a black female

in a very predominant.

645

:

You just didn't have that level, huh?

646

:

You just may have never had that.

647

:

And

648

:

Candice C. Jones: I'll tell you,

like, my mother will tell you today.

649

:

She was like, you have a confidence that

neither your looks or intellect justify.

650

:

Tony Tidbit: I got to

think that one through.

651

:

Candice C. Jones: That's a

652

:

Tony Tidbit: deep one right there.

653

:

Candice C. Jones: No.

654

:

See, no.

655

:

And I tell people, like, because

I talk to my partners about like,

656

:

imposter syndrome and stuff.

657

:

If you're in my office, I'm sitting

in my office right now, and you look

658

:

around, you guys can't see it here.

659

:

I am surrounded by images of black women.

660

:

And right above my head, I don't know

if you can see it, there's an image.

661

:

It's my, uh, it's my grandmother.

662

:

It's her picture.

663

:

She sits right behind me.

664

:

I tell everybody it's

because she has my back.

665

:

I always have these women here in

my workspaces to almost fortify me.

666

:

And part of the reason I do it

is because of the imposter stuff.

667

:

You know, I'm always like, Black

women in particular, Black people,

668

:

we need to take up our space.

669

:

We need to take up our seat.

670

:

I don't just sit here on

the strength of my own work.

671

:

I sit here on the strength

of the sacrifices they all

672

:

made and never got to enjoy.

673

:

And that's why I think imposter

syndrome, just this knowing of

674

:

us and not knowing ourselves and

our history becomes so important.

675

:

Cause it's like, no, I'm not going to

lament whether or not I'm good enough.

676

:

Cause whether or not I'm good

enough, she was good enough

677

:

and she didn't get her seat.

678

:

So I'm going to take up my space, right.

679

:

And I'm going to take,

and if it's 10 of them.

680

:

That means I'm the little space

that I'm given is like taken

681

:

up in spades, you know, and I

think that's so important for me.

682

:

And that's always been something that I

carry because so much has been stripped

683

:

in labor and intellect and credit from

our community, just like that full

684

:

realization of that, I think, has always

really like the, the audacity of that.

685

:

Has always been in me.

686

:

And so I feel like I carried myself

with like, nah, I think I, I think

687

:

I have the hubris of all these women

that nobody ever acknowledged properly.

688

:

Tony Tidbit: Let me ask you this.

689

:

So number one, that is awesome.

690

:

And that's something that woman

or man, Black man should have.

691

:

Right.

692

:

One of the challenges, and I love

to hear your point of view on this.

693

:

And let's just use your Chicago, West

side of Chicago example, where you're

694

:

with a ton of people that look like you.

695

:

Candice C. Jones: Yeah,

696

:

Tony Tidbit: and then you go somewhere

where you're one of a hundred Okay

697

:

And you may be the only i've been

at companies, you know places.

698

:

I was the only black person.

699

:

Okay Okay, so from that standpoint

You want to come in and be like,

700

:

yeah, you know, I, I'm standing

on shoulders or other people.

701

:

Right.

702

:

But at the end of the

day, you're by yourself.

703

:

Okay.

704

:

You don't have, you know, there's

not people that you can see.

705

:

Right.

706

:

And you walked in the door with that

confidence, you believe in yourself,

707

:

however, those thousand little cuts, you

know, they start a road in your console.

708

:

How, what advice, what would you

tell, especially, and we're talking,

709

:

we're talking about regardless

black executives, but let's speak,

710

:

let's go strictly to black women.

711

:

How do they stay confident?

712

:

Okay.

713

:

When little by little

people picking on them.

714

:

And they're, they're, they're, look,

they're, they're knocking away like gnats.

715

:

Candice C. Jones: Okay,

716

:

Tony Tidbit: but I'm sorry, at

some point, that does affect you.

717

:

Okay?

718

:

And maybe you have the pictures

around that you can look

719

:

at when it's affecting you.

720

:

And you can say, you know what?

721

:

Maybe this is my, uh, I wouldn't say

this is where my area where I get my

722

:

strength, but I would love to hear

how they can be able to still keep

723

:

that confidence in spite of all the

turbulence that they may deal with.

724

:

When there's not a lot of

people that look like them.

725

:

Candice C. Jones: Yeah.

726

:

My first, my first professional job,

I went to a law firm, I, in my class,

727

:

and it was three of us in my hiring

class coming out of law school, me

728

:

and another young woman were the first

black people that our firm, uh, had

729

:

ever hired into a law school class.

730

:

So then when we got there, it

was us, maybe one other lady.

731

:

They had some, some

folks that were like, um,

732

:

You know, executive assistants and

stuff, but they didn't have lawyers and

733

:

we sort of knew going in that that was

That's going to be difficult, right?

734

:

Because so much of success, so much of

success in any job is mentorship, right?

735

:

How you get on a good case, how you

get the client development, how you,

736

:

that's all about somebody who already

has the access and power saying, I see

737

:

myself in you, and so I'm going to bring

you along and sort of pull you along.

738

:

It's very hard for somebody

to see themselves in you.

739

:

If they don't look like you, right?

740

:

Right?

741

:

This goes to sort of like,

what's your golf course?

742

:

I remember them having events for

us that summer being like, Oh yeah,

743

:

we're going to go to a Cubs game.

744

:

I hate baseball.

745

:

And if I'm a root for a team,

it wasn't going to be the Cubs.

746

:

It's sort of like, you know, but

those are events where you're sort of

747

:

like, you know, you're at the field

in the game and you're developing

748

:

the relationship with the partner.

749

:

Who's going to be the mentor

that you follow throughout your

750

:

career for the next 10 years.

751

:

It can be really difficult.

752

:

One of the reasons why I like to put

the stuff in my office in those seconds

753

:

is because I feel like we have to

fortify walking into those settings.

754

:

One of the things is that.

755

:

You have like, I knew going into

that setting that I was going into

756

:

a hostile environment and I don't

mean it like the people were meet,

757

:

they were obviously recruiting me.

758

:

They were as sweet as they can be, but

you know, when you're signing up to be

759

:

the first, right, you're a test case.

760

:

There is no cultural competence there.

761

:

Even if they, they're trying, they,

they're going to really, they're going to

762

:

struggle and each one of their struggle

is going to be played out on you.

763

:

People are going to say things to you.

764

:

I remember having a partner, a woman

kept saying, this is my associate.

765

:

This is my associate.

766

:

And a white male said to her,

stop calling her your associate.

767

:

Yeah.

768

:

She's not owned by you.

769

:

When you were referring to her

to people in this organization,

770

:

you could say it's my colleague.

771

:

Tony Tidbit: And that

772

:

Candice C. Jones: was

sort of like a lesson.

773

:

And so part of what I was trying to

do at each one of those settings, and

774

:

this is what I say to other women, I

had no illusions about whether or not

775

:

that was going to be a setting where I

found my lifelong mentors, I did not.

776

:

But I definitely had a kitchen cabinet

of mentors that I had taken from law

777

:

school, women of color that I was

calling on while I was in that setting

778

:

to say, okay, this is something that

I'm addressing day to day at work.

779

:

How do you think I'm navigating that?

780

:

Right?

781

:

Like I was fortified myself through

images in that space, but also fortified

782

:

myself outside that space with people

who I knew were supportive of me

783

:

because they had lived through all

the things I was living through in

784

:

that moment and could help say, okay.

785

:

Here are some things that

you could think about doing.

786

:

This is the way that you

could position yourself.

787

:

And they said things to me that I

thought were not that obvious, which is

788

:

find mentors Like you don't have there.

789

:

There is no sort of like senior, uh

equity black female partner black partner

790

:

period So that means that you're gonna

have to find mentorship in an unlikely

791

:

space And this is why it's important to

say you can find mentors and so then i'm

792

:

being mentored by a white male, right?

793

:

You I don't know who's more surprised

in those moments, him or me, but

794

:

actually you learn a great deal in

that mentorship exchange to one,

795

:

because you learn the audacity of what

he'd asked for that a black person

796

:

would never be capable of, right?

797

:

What he will demand and what

they'll demand much earlier

798

:

in their career than you will.

799

:

And so you're right.

800

:

It's like, you still are dealing with

those microaggressions when you walk

801

:

into one of those settings, but there

are still ways through mentorship.

802

:

Through fortifying yourself and through

finding mentorship, even in people

803

:

that don't immediately present just

like you, that you actually can sustain

804

:

yourself for as long as you dialed

in to be in one of those settings.

805

:

Chris P. Reed: Awesome.

806

:

Let me ask you this because I've had

the same experience and one of the

807

:

things that I learned early on was

the diversification, having diversity

808

:

within your mentorship, like you stated.

809

:

And one of the reasons, unfortunately,

that I ended up doing that was

810

:

because I ran into the, you

know, the classic situation of.

811

:

We already got one of us here.

812

:

I'm not trying to get his spot up to

these young men come up and coming.

813

:

And it was more of a, it was almost

like being an athlete, right?

814

:

I understood that from being in athletics.

815

:

I'm a starter.

816

:

They got the young guy coming in.

817

:

I'm not going to teach him my position

so he can work me out of a job.

818

:

And so that's how I translated

it when I was younger.

819

:

But in the idea of being able to get

over yourself and reach out and diversify

820

:

Your mentorship, your networking, how

valuable do you know now that was as

821

:

opposed to feeling like I need to find

somebody that looks like me, talks like

822

:

me, understands West side lingo, know

where K town is, all this other stuff.

823

:

How, how, how soon did you have to get

over that and get out of that in order

824

:

to really excel and go next level?

825

:

Because that's very important

for young black women.

826

:

Candice C. Jones: I realized that pretty

early because even some of my mentors

827

:

coming out of law school were diverse.

828

:

Like I got my sort of first

long term mentor that was

829

:

like a white male in school.

830

:

One of the things I always say when you're

looking for a mentor, you're looking for

831

:

someone who's like their professionalism,

their intellect, their career trajectory

832

:

that you want to emulate, right?

833

:

And you want to build

genuine relationships with.

834

:

And the truth is that, you

know, to your point, some of

835

:

them do need to look like you.

836

:

They do need to reflect you

in your lived experience.

837

:

They need to know where K Town is at.

838

:

Like you need to have that sort of

comfort level, but not exclusively.

839

:

You also want to see somebody and you're

like, there's something about your

840

:

career, the way you show up, your, your

trajectory that I want to understand.

841

:

And I want to understand it because

it's different from my own, that

842

:

helps me sort of start to navigate

how you ended up where you did.

843

:

What, again, like what I can ask for.

844

:

For what you were able to

do, see, and experience.

845

:

And I think learning that early

was it's, it's been critical.

846

:

It's been, and I tell all black women

that I'm coaching or working with that.

847

:

I'm like, you need to have a

kitchen cabinet of mentors.

848

:

They are not transactional relationships.

849

:

They are real meaningful relationships

that when done well are two way street

850

:

that you pour into, and they should

be with a diverse set of stakeholders.

851

:

Right.

852

:

Even amongst people of color, there

are people with different skillsets

853

:

and lived experiences because they're

going to pull a different, you know,

854

:

I have multiple black women that I

go, they are not the same black woman.

855

:

They do not have the same experience.

856

:

And so I don't draw on them with the

same types of questions or challenges.

857

:

You need to have a diversity, but

that's also true of racial diversity.

858

:

You can learn an extraordinary amount

from different types of thought, right?

859

:

This goes to even sort of how

you think about once you're an

860

:

executive, Who you work with a

team with and how you build teams.

861

:

A lot of times the things we take for

granted is that you learn more or can do

862

:

more with the person that has a different

skillset than you, where you could combine

863

:

those talents than just always trying

to be in sort of like grouping together.

864

:

And so you have to be willing to do that.

865

:

And the earlier you learn that the

further you go, because each one of

866

:

those different mentors will give you

a different angle at how to look at a

867

:

Problem, which will compliment the way

you address situations as they arise.

868

:

Cause they come in, you know, this is

Tony's point, whether you have the most

869

:

fortification, the most confidence,

those situations are coming at what will

870

:

distinguish the individual as how they

address them, but the more angles you

871

:

have to sort of turn that Rubik's cube

over, it'll help, it'll make it easier.

872

:

Chris P. Reed: Absolutely.

873

:

One of the things I tell people

when I'm coaching them is you want

874

:

to have a Navy SEAL team of talent.

875

:

And so you got to have a sniper.

876

:

You got to have a demolitions guy.

877

:

You got to have a frog, man.

878

:

You got to have like, everybody

can't be the same dude or we

879

:

never going to breach this spot.

880

:

All you got to have people to

see it from different angles.

881

:

Absolutely.

882

:

We got, we got a wall guy,

you know what I'm saying?

883

:

We got to make sure you got all of those

in order to make it to where you're

884

:

trying to do from a mission perspective.

885

:

So.

886

:

That was good.

887

:

Tony Tidbit: So, one of the things that,

you know, people struggle with, right?

888

:

Because everything that you

just got finished saying,

889

:

Candice, makes total sense.

890

:

Even what Chris just talked

about with the You know, frog

891

:

man in the whole nine yards.

892

:

Right.

893

:

You know, I've been in sales,

you know, almost 30 years now.

894

:

And so networking has always

been part of what I do.

895

:

Yeah.

896

:

Okay.

897

:

So I have a network.

898

:

I've been, you know, something that you

do just not from a clientele standpoint,

899

:

but also within the organization and

build your brand throughout different

900

:

departments and stuff to that nature.

901

:

However, a lot of people struggle, you

are not in an outgoing position who

902

:

may be an engineer who may be whatever

the case may be in terms of building

903

:

their network within the organization or

finding mentors that make sense to them.

904

:

So what would you advise how, you know,

if I'm young and I'm not an outgoing

905

:

person, I'm shy, I'm sharp, I'm smart,

you know, I, I still, and I may grow

906

:

up and be more gregarious, whatever.

907

:

But my point is, what would you tell me to

find within my organization or outside the

908

:

organization to start finding mentors, to

start networking, to build my brand, and

909

:

more importantly, build those connections?

910

:

Candice C. Jones: I love, I love that

you asked that question, Tony, because

911

:

I'm like, everybody's not an extrovert.

912

:

Right.

913

:

Um, and there are a lot of

us like I like I'm an intro.

914

:

I'm an extroverted introvert, right?

915

:

I have a master skills.

916

:

I need to be able to succeed in my life.

917

:

But when I can crawl into my safe

space, I am as happy as a cow.

918

:

And so there are people in the world

that are like, how did those folks thrive

919

:

when it's not your natural inclination?

920

:

And what I always say is I

think networking or saying, I'm

921

:

looking for a mentor or this can

actually is a lot of pressure.

922

:

If that's not something

that you really enjoy.

923

:

But the way I like to think of it is just

having a natural curiosity about a thing.

924

:

I always try to say to folks when I'm

talking to them, it's like, have reverence

925

:

for the thing that you're working on.

926

:

So you're the quiet engineer in

a bigger, larger institution.

927

:

Some of having reverence for is saying,

okay, my division is engineering, but

928

:

I actually want to understand the sales

because by understanding what they're

929

:

doing over in sales, it's going to

help me answer some questions about

930

:

engineering, about, you know, how we

do product development and design, just

931

:

because I can see the whole pipeline

of where this thing is going, right?

932

:

And that's not me saying, look,

I want to, I want a glad hand

933

:

with the team over in sales.

934

:

You know, I'm trying to clap.

935

:

It's just like, I'm having some,

some, some reverence, some curiosity

936

:

about the whole of this thing.

937

:

So instead of saying, I'm going out to

find a mentor, I just want to sit down

938

:

with some people and sort of understand

what happens in this division, what I

939

:

can understand about it to compliment

my work and think about developing.

940

:

Relationships in a genuine way that

centers less like, and I think for some of

941

:

those people, like this idea of like, I'm

network or I'm, I'm building relationship,

942

:

but it's actually like, center it on

your work, which I think, you know,

943

:

for people like that is a safer space

and then they can use it in that way.

944

:

An example I give when I was at

the Department of education, it

945

:

was coming to the Department of

education is a big Byzantine place.

946

:

Right.

947

:

You're trying to think about how can we

sort of pull some levers to enact change

948

:

for this really specific group of people.

949

:

I wasn't like, Ooh, I'm going to

network and get through this place.

950

:

But the truth is, I was like, I

need to understand what all these

951

:

different divisions do and how we

can pull levers to have an impact.

952

:

So I got to go and meet some people,

you know, not about me, but meet

953

:

some people in these different

sort of divisions of this place.

954

:

Place.

955

:

And by doing that, actually really

focused on the work, you do two things.

956

:

You end up making a lot of relationships.

957

:

But also the thing that you do when you're

having reverence for the thing that you're

958

:

trying to do, you realize that there are

tons of stuff that other people can teach

959

:

you and but for having those interactions

with some of those people, they again,

960

:

we're talking about that Rubik's Cube.

961

:

They can show you an angle of

the way you're thinking about a

962

:

problem that you may have missed.

963

:

And their way might be the silver bullet.

964

:

And actually I found that when I was

working on a strategy there, that, but

965

:

for just being out sort of networking

or meeting with people, asking some

966

:

questions, somebody was like, actually,

we probably can't do some of that

967

:

stuff that you're talking about,

but there's this one thing that you

968

:

didn't raise that we really could do.

969

:

And it ended up being a

really critical thing.

970

:

So that's a way for a more introverted

or a different type of personality to

971

:

approach it when they do end up with

the relationships feel more meaningful.

972

:

And the exercise feels

like it's substantial.

973

:

Tony Tidbit: Can I add one other

thing that, that, that, that by

974

:

doing that, what, what happens,

you build your brand, right?

975

:

And by building your brand,

Opportunities come from that.

976

:

Are you going over and chatting and

learning about, you know, another

977

:

department and learning this and that all

of a sudden this person, Oh, I like him.

978

:

Oh, I like her, you know, and then

all of a sudden there could be an

979

:

opportunity that they don't even have

a job description for yet, hasn't even

980

:

been posted, but because you built your

brand and they like you and how you came

981

:

over and you was inquisitive and you came

over and was like, how can I help you

982

:

guys and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

983

:

It opens up other opportunities that you

may never known about just by doing that.

984

:

Would you agree with that or not?

985

:

Candice C. Jones: I absolutely agree

with that, but our introverts, I'm

986

:

not going to be able to name that as

the, but you absolutely are doing it.

987

:

There's no question about it.

988

:

And also somebody's

like, Oh, they, you care.

989

:

They're asking questions

about the business.

990

:

It's like that, you know, like

you're building people respect you.

991

:

Absolutely.

992

:

There's no question about it.

993

:

Chris P. Reed: So, so, and, and, and

then that, um, have you ever found

994

:

resistance to your inquisitive nature?

995

:

Have you ever felt like, you know,

what really, how did you absorb that?

996

:

How, give me some tips or tricks for

young women or young people of color or

997

:

anybody of how to navigate those waters.

998

:

Because when we got highlight tapes,

then it means, it means seemed like,

999

:

oh, I could be you too one day.

:

00:47:41,145 --> 00:47:42,695

And then like, it's

the door slammed on me.

:

00:47:42,695 --> 00:47:43,855

Like, she never put this in the book.

:

00:47:44,310 --> 00:47:44,630

So,

:

00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:49,180

Tony Tidbit: and I think that's important

because at the day, what Mike Tyson

:

00:47:49,180 --> 00:47:52,300

says, you know, everybody's got a game

plan so they can hit in the mouth.

:

00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:55,120

Candice C. Jones: Right, right, right.

:

00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:56,600

Exactly.

:

00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,750

No, I think that's the truth is

everybody's not going to be great.

:

00:48:00,530 --> 00:48:03,640

Or some people, even if you're just

like, look, I'm trying to have reference

:

00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,940

of what I'm going to say questions.

:

00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,330

Some people will be curt.

:

00:48:06,350 --> 00:48:09,570

I don't have time to talk to you or

you want to have questions, you know,

:

00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:11,160

go on the website and read this doc.

:

00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:15,293

And there are people who will sort of

you, but come on now, people will do it.

:

00:48:15,293 --> 00:48:19,810

You know, we issued a report, read

the report, you know, they'll, they'll

:

00:48:19,810 --> 00:48:21,305

sort of, you know, Or look at you

:

00:48:21,305 --> 00:48:22,485

Tony Tidbit: sideways, right?

:

00:48:24,085 --> 00:48:27,925

Candice C. Jones: Just sort of um, but I

really would say to a young professional

:

00:48:27,925 --> 00:48:31,185

you can't let that discourage you if

some person is shutting you Down, that's

:

00:48:31,185 --> 00:48:35,410

not your person Obviously, that's not

the person you're going to build likely

:

00:48:35,410 --> 00:48:39,590

a genuine mentorship relationship

with, but it gives you an opportunity.

:

00:48:39,610 --> 00:48:41,260

Don't stop reaching out to people.

:

00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:44,030

When I had the same example at the

department of AI, I remember going on

:

00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,620

really early and sort of articulating

for some folks, what I thought my ideas

:

00:48:48,690 --> 00:48:50,330

were of things that we can accomplish.

:

00:48:50,590 --> 00:48:54,790

And I had this guy say to me, actually,

I'm never getting, he said to me, he was

:

00:48:54,810 --> 00:48:58,080

like, why don't you just use this time

and like write a little report and we

:

00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,890

can publish it and put your name on it.

:

00:49:00,820 --> 00:49:03,150

You know, and I'm thinking,

am I, I'm not kidding you.

:

00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:04,970

And I actually don't

think that he was trying.

:

00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,370

I really genuinely don't think that

he was trying to be condescending.

:

00:49:09,010 --> 00:49:11,020

He just felt like I was

probably misdirected.

:

00:49:11,020 --> 00:49:11,950

Cause I'm talking about stuff.

:

00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:12,990

I'm like, we did this guys.

:

00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:14,430

We can impact thousands of lives.

:

00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,170

Like we could really

do some good work here.

:

00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,354

And he was just sort of like.

:

00:49:18,535 --> 00:49:21,705

You know, somebody who had been there

for a long time, like, ah, they're not

:

00:49:21,705 --> 00:49:23,925

going to, in his mind, I think he's

thinking, they're not going to do that.

:

00:49:23,925 --> 00:49:25,955

They're not going to take, you know,

they're not going to take that up.

:

00:49:26,175 --> 00:49:27,355

Here's something else that you can do.

:

00:49:27,365 --> 00:49:29,145

And you'll, you'll get a little

credit, you know, put your

:

00:49:29,145 --> 00:49:30,555

little name on it kind of thing.

:

00:49:31,075 --> 00:49:34,345

And I, you know, I could have been

like, Oh, he's being dismissive.

:

00:49:34,825 --> 00:49:38,745

Like, I'm just going to go now, like sit

in the corner for the rest of my time.

:

00:49:38,755 --> 00:49:42,905

But I was like, no, I, I probably, you

know, tighten up a little bit of gumption.

:

00:49:42,905 --> 00:49:47,285

I was like, no, No, I don't need to write

a report and just put my name on it.

:

00:49:47,285 --> 00:49:49,145

I actually want to figure out if

we can do something that can have

:

00:49:49,145 --> 00:49:50,745

some impact on people's lives.

:

00:49:51,145 --> 00:49:54,145

And, you know, sort of kept

meeting and networking with people

:

00:49:54,145 --> 00:49:56,615

and found that there were people

who actually agreed with me.

:

00:49:56,785 --> 00:49:59,725

And before it was all said and

done, he actually agreed with me

:

00:49:59,735 --> 00:50:02,565

because I think it renewed his faith

that actually things could happen.

:

00:50:02,795 --> 00:50:06,935

If you continue to sort of like really

be consistent and sort of push and

:

00:50:06,975 --> 00:50:10,425

build your brand and garner respect

to show people that you, you mean it,

:

00:50:10,425 --> 00:50:11,885

and you're willing to put the work in.

:

00:50:12,235 --> 00:50:14,295

And so that's what I would

say to that professional.

:

00:50:14,315 --> 00:50:16,675

Yes, they're absolutely going

to be people that discourage you

:

00:50:16,675 --> 00:50:18,115

that undercut you and just that.

:

00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:22,830

Frankly, outright shut you down and,

you know, hit you in the mouth, but you

:

00:50:22,830 --> 00:50:25,090

don't stop like you got to keep going.

:

00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:26,950

And that's the truth in that situation.

:

00:50:26,970 --> 00:50:29,500

And through a career, like

they're, they're not sprints.

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They're marathons.

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It's not all going to feel.

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Tony Tidbit: Wow.

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00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,010

No, that's right.

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I look, I'm all fired up right now.

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I'm ready to roll.

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Right.

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I'm going to work tomorrow.

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Like I'm back.

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I'm the man you ever know.

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I'm teasing.

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But you got my girl.

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I love your energy.

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Final thoughts for the audience.

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00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,410

I mean, you just said a lot right there

in terms of how to deal with obstacles.

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00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:55,190

But what do you want?

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00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,340

People is outside of that.

:

00:50:57,550 --> 00:50:58,370

What do you want?

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00:50:58,380 --> 00:50:59,790

People who's going to listen to this?

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00:50:59,810 --> 00:51:03,590

What do you want them to walk away

with that they can take tomorrow?

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Because you've you look, let's be fair.

:

00:51:06,570 --> 00:51:08,350

You grew up in West Chicago.

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Okay, you went through a lot of

obstacles and look where you are today.

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A very successful black woman.

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All right.

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And at the end of the day, and you've

done and just to be, we're not trying

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00:51:19,035 --> 00:51:22,955

to fawn over you, but just to be honest,

your bio doesn't even do you justice.

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Okay.

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00:51:23,635 --> 00:51:27,215

Of all the things I've read,

which you wrote on, um, on the,

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00:51:27,215 --> 00:51:30,845

um, about the, uh, the, uh,

population, what was the publication?

:

00:51:31,105 --> 00:51:33,685

Um, Noel, you've written

a lot of great things.

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00:51:34,685 --> 00:51:35,995

It's right there in DC.

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00:51:36,025 --> 00:51:38,645

It's called the, um, What's

the publication called?

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00:51:38,645 --> 00:51:40,715

The Wire or the Hill?

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The Hill.

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I'm sorry.

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Thank you.

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The Hill, right?

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The hill,

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Candice C. Jones: yep.

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The hill.

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You've,

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Tony Tidbit: you've done a lot

of great things, so there's a lot

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00:51:45,665 --> 00:51:50,465

of great accolades and obviously

great success doesn't come, you

:

00:51:50,465 --> 00:51:52,895

know, just a linear ladder, right?

:

00:51:52,955 --> 00:51:55,775

At the end of the day, there's

stops and starts, ups and downs.

:

00:51:56,070 --> 00:51:57,800

You just spoke a little

bit about him as well.

:

00:51:58,010 --> 00:52:00,610

So what's some of the final thoughts

that you want to leave to the

:

00:52:00,610 --> 00:52:04,270

audience that they can walk away

with in terms of being able to be

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00:52:04,270 --> 00:52:08,190

successful in corporate America or any

endeavor that they may put together?

:

00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,130

Candice C. Jones: I think that's

something that I would leave people with.

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00:52:11,130 --> 00:52:14,730

You know, I always say when you're,

this is where, when, when you're

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00:52:14,730 --> 00:52:18,570

saying that, and when Chris was reading

my bio, when you look back at your

:

00:52:18,570 --> 00:52:24,065

career, I feel like it looks like

it all makes perfect sense, right?

:

00:52:24,065 --> 00:52:24,925

You can explain it.

:

00:52:24,955 --> 00:52:28,035

I did this and then I left to

this, but I try to tell people,

:

00:52:28,195 --> 00:52:31,765

I'm like, when you're living it, it

feels like you're backing into it.

:

00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:36,270

You know, like it's just not as easy.

:

00:52:36,270 --> 00:52:39,300

And for young professionals, for

young black women, for young black

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00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:44,160

people coming up, don't feel like,

like, it's not going to feel like

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00:52:44,180 --> 00:52:45,990

every magical choices pre design.

:

00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:47,440

I said, I was going to do this.

:

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And then two years later, I did that.

:

00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,010

And I was there and I had 18.

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00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:54,410

It actually, when you're living,

it doesn't feel like that.

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00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:56,530

It's going to feel really

different when you arrive at your

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00:52:56,530 --> 00:52:58,050

principal place and look back.

:

00:52:58,350 --> 00:52:59,510

And that's okay.

:

00:52:59,530 --> 00:53:01,310

Stay in it, right?

:

00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,110

If you take some of these tips that

we've talked about, building a good

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00:53:05,140 --> 00:53:10,330

mentorship pool, knowing and fortifying

yourself, remember who you are, right?

:

00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:14,630

We are living in a society that is

designed to reinforce constantly.

:

00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,340

Our deficits, it will create deficits

for us that don't actually exist.

:

00:53:19,860 --> 00:53:22,640

If we drown in that,

we're just going to drown.

:

00:53:22,650 --> 00:53:24,310

We have to remember who we are.

:

00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,480

We come with incredible stress,

incredible endurance in spite of things.

:

00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:31,830

And like young people going into

these settings, they're going to be.

:

00:53:32,215 --> 00:53:36,135

But they have to remember that and sort

of fortify themselves in a way have that

:

00:53:36,725 --> 00:53:39,535

mentorship and stay at it because they

too are going to get to a place in their

:

00:53:39,535 --> 00:53:42,565

career when they look back and it's going

to be this beautiful patchwork book of

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00:53:42,565 --> 00:53:46,925

things that all make sense even though it

didn't feel like every step of the way.

:

00:53:47,185 --> 00:53:49,375

Um, like they'll have their story to tell.

:

00:53:49,375 --> 00:53:51,985

And I think it's really important

to remind people of that because

:

00:53:51,995 --> 00:53:54,075

when you're young, you're stressing

yourself out because you're

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00:53:54,095 --> 00:53:55,635

such in this constant strife.

:

00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,040

But it's like, you will get there.

:

00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:58,970

It's a marathon.

:

00:53:58,970 --> 00:54:00,510

It's just a set of building blocks.

:

00:54:00,910 --> 00:54:01,840

Keep at it.

:

00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,840

You know, if you just don't

let it sort of destroy you and

:

00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,260

drown, you're going to get there.

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00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,730

Chris P. Reed: You've let your actual

support system and your spiritual

:

00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:16,100

support system navigate through, through

the mirage of negativity that exists,

:

00:54:16,140 --> 00:54:17,700

that you realize that's not real.

:

00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:19,390

That's not where they just saying stuff.

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00:54:19,390 --> 00:54:20,180

Don't believe that.

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00:54:20,490 --> 00:54:22,960

And I'm glad you've been

able to reinforce yourself.

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00:54:23,275 --> 00:54:27,515

Uh, with that type of fortitude, uh,

what can we do at a black executive

:

00:54:27,535 --> 00:54:29,375

perspective podcast to help you?

:

00:54:29,965 --> 00:54:33,355

Your journey as you continue to

ascend because you young as hell.

:

00:54:33,355 --> 00:54:34,285

Like this ain't over.

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00:54:34,435 --> 00:54:37,210

That seemed like I know a lot

of, she said she was watching the

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00:54:37,210 --> 00:54:37,690

Tony Tidbit: Cosby Show,

:

00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:42,655

I'm like, I was out there leaving.

:

00:54:42,715 --> 00:54:44,485

I couldn't watch the co show

:

00:54:47,275 --> 00:54:47,695

on the bone.

:

00:54:49,615 --> 00:54:50,370

Candice C. Jones: I

was, I was watching tv.

:

00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:55,000

Chris P. Reed: So what can we do?

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00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:55,340

I

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00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:57,350

Candice C. Jones: just, you

know, one, I love this platform.

:

00:54:57,350 --> 00:54:59,350

I love that you guys are

engaging in these conversations.

:

00:54:59,370 --> 00:55:01,320

I want people to just know about our work.

:

00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,350

Follow us at public welfare.

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00:55:03,690 --> 00:55:04,350

org.

:

00:55:04,660 --> 00:55:09,650

We are public welfare on all the handles,

Twitter, Instagram, and I want people to

:

00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:12,750

know some of the work that we're doing

with organizations all over the country.

:

00:55:12,750 --> 00:55:15,530

They do incredible work on

behalf of people every day.

:

00:55:15,820 --> 00:55:18,580

I really want people to take the

opportunity to learn about their

:

00:55:18,580 --> 00:55:20,870

work and engage more if they can.

:

00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:21,380

And I think.

:

00:55:21,610 --> 00:55:24,600

Having platforms like this, talking

about these issues, spreading

:

00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:25,870

the word about our good work.

:

00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,480

I couldn't ask for anything more.

:

00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,070

I just appreciate the opportunity

to be here with you guys.

:

00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,810

Tony Tidbit: Well, listen,

we're blessed to have you here.

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00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:35,980

Um, our society is blessed to have you.

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00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:37,000

Okay.

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00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:40,710

If we've had, we have more people

like you, Candice, and I'm not, again,

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00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:42,600

I'm just, we call it like we see it.

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00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:43,360

Okay.

:

00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:44,670

That's out there.

:

00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:45,870

That's making stuff happen.

:

00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:48,550

And more importantly, provide,

you know, at the end of the day,

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00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,090

I learned this a long time ago.

:

00:55:51,515 --> 00:55:56,565

It's, we're all trees, and at the end of

the day, you can tell a healthy tree is

:

00:55:56,565 --> 00:55:59,255

by how many branches does that tree have.

:

00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,590

How many other people has,

has that tree helped, right?

:

00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:06,720

And I can tell you've helped, you've

helped us, you've helped people

:

00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:07,590

who are going to listen to this.

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00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,490

And I know for a fact, you have a big,

beautiful tree of branches of people

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00:56:12,490 --> 00:56:13,830

that you've helped along the way.

:

00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:16,260

So we really appreciate you joining.

:

00:56:16,550 --> 00:56:19,610

We really thank you for the

love and the passion, the

:

00:56:19,610 --> 00:56:21,330

intellect that you share today.

:

00:56:21,470 --> 00:56:23,800

And we want you to stay along

because we want your help in

:

00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,950

terms of our call to action.

:

00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:25,480

How does that sound?

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00:56:26,050 --> 00:56:27,080

Candice C. Jones: Sounds great.

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00:56:27,310 --> 00:56:27,730

Tony Tidbit: Okay.

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00:56:27,730 --> 00:56:28,060

Awesome.

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00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:31,280

So now I think it's

time for Tony's tidbit.

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00:56:31,310 --> 00:56:31,690

Okay.

:

00:56:31,690 --> 00:56:34,630

And it's always a tidbit is

always about what we talked about.

:

00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:39,600

So today's tidbit is mentorship serves

as a critical link between overcoming

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00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:42,080

obstacles and obtaining success.

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00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,150

Wholeheartedly embrace it to elevate

the next wave of black women leaders,

:

00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,060

build your network deliberately.

:

00:56:49,565 --> 00:56:53,255

It is not merely about your

connections, but about who you

:

00:56:53,255 --> 00:56:56,245

inspire and who inspires you.

:

00:56:56,965 --> 00:57:01,305

And you heard that today from

Candice C Jones, and we loved

:

00:57:01,305 --> 00:57:03,455

her because she inspired us.

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00:57:04,915 --> 00:57:05,455

Chris P. Reed: Absolutely.

:

00:57:06,265 --> 00:57:10,805

And just remember to tune in for

another inspirational black lady that

:

00:57:10,805 --> 00:57:14,925

we have in our segment, need to know

with Nsenga, or, you know, every week.

:

00:57:15,490 --> 00:57:19,860

I need to know with Nsenga she

discusses topics and subject matter

:

00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,630

that shape our community and world.

:

00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:21,990

Dr.

:

00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:26,040

Nsenga Burton You should tune into her

and make sure you gain the unique insights

:

00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,250

and perspectives and understanding issues

that matter to us and matter to the world.

:

00:57:30,450 --> 00:57:31,890

This is something you don't want to miss.

:

00:57:31,930 --> 00:57:32,180

Trust.

:

00:57:32,180 --> 00:57:32,320

No,

:

00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:32,850

Tony Tidbit: you don't.

:

00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:35,660

She just finished in,

uh, her last recording.

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00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:36,540

So it's going to be awesome.

:

00:57:36,540 --> 00:57:38,260

So definitely check it out on Thursday.

:

00:57:38,460 --> 00:57:41,320

I hope you enjoyed today's

episode, vision and vigor.

:

00:57:41,675 --> 00:57:43,875

Prospects for black women in leadership.

:

00:57:44,405 --> 00:57:49,615

Chris P. Reed: And we want to remind you

to always embrace the call to action that

:

00:57:49,625 --> 00:57:56,875

we have, which is less L E S S the first

L or the L there is for learn, educate

:

00:57:56,875 --> 00:57:59,915

yourself on racial and cultural nuances.

:

00:58:00,115 --> 00:58:03,385

So you can pass that information

down and mentor the next generation.

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00:58:03,395 --> 00:58:04,125

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

:

00:58:04,125 --> 00:58:05,855

Chris, because our goal is to decrease.

:

00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,800

All type of discrimination.

:

00:58:07,810 --> 00:58:12,200

So after you learn, you have

E, E stands for empathy.

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00:58:12,340 --> 00:58:16,500

Now you should be more empathetic

against your fellow human being.

:

00:58:17,810 --> 00:58:21,050

Candice C. Jones: And the S,

that first S there is for share.

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00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:23,310

After you've learned and

you're more empathetic.

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00:58:23,380 --> 00:58:23,800

Aesthetic.

:

00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,700

Share what, you know, share your

personal story and educate somebody

:

00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:29,470

else that's gonna help them grow.

:

00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:30,780

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

:

00:58:30,780 --> 00:58:31,530

Absolutely.

:

00:58:31,530 --> 00:58:33,510

And the final S is for stop.

:

00:58:34,110 --> 00:58:37,200

You want to stop discrimination

as it walks in your path.

:

00:58:37,460 --> 00:58:40,340

So if you hear grandma at the

grand at the Thanksgiving table.

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00:58:40,550 --> 00:58:41,920

Saying something inappropriate.

:

00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,110

You say, grandma, we

don't say that, right?

:

00:58:45,110 --> 00:58:46,540

You stop it right there.

:

00:58:46,740 --> 00:58:51,020

And by everyone incorporating less,

we're going to build a more fair, more

:

00:58:51,130 --> 00:58:55,900

understanding world, and we're going

to see the change that we want to see.

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00:58:56,185 --> 00:58:58,325

Because less will become more.

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00:58:59,405 --> 00:59:02,065

Chris P. Reed: We definitely want

you to tune in for our next episodes.

:

00:59:02,065 --> 00:59:02,945

It's going to be powerful.

:

00:59:02,945 --> 00:59:05,575

May I, I'm hoping that it

stays as powerful as this one.

:

00:59:05,575 --> 00:59:07,205

This was a high mark to me,

:

00:59:07,765 --> 00:59:08,205

Tony Tidbit: but, uh,

:

00:59:08,605 --> 00:59:11,535

Chris P. Reed: we, we also want

you to go to our website and

:

00:59:11,535 --> 00:59:12,785

sign up for the newsletter.

:

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We want you to leave us

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It'll help us help you where you are,

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great talent, great individuals,

great human beings, great people.

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To this platform to speak their

story and you'll realize the

:

00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:29,260

world is not as desperate.

:

00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:32,970

It's not as it's not as divided

as they want you to believe

:

00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:34,680

in this mirage of negativity.

:

00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:35,900

It's just a mirage.

:

00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:36,710

Tony Tidbit: Exactly.

:

00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,520

And you can follow a black

executive perspective podcast on

:

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YouTube, Facebook, and tick tock at

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Ablackexec for our fabulous guests.

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00:59:47,340 --> 00:59:48,280

Candice C.

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00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,450

Jones who brought the power and the

love and the knowledge today for the

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co host with the most, my man, Chris P.

:

00:59:54,770 --> 00:59:58,910

Reed for Noel Miller, who's behind

the glass that made all this happen.

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I'm Tony tidbit.

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