What do you get when two ‘Zipper Brothers’—both survivors of open-heart surgery—sit down to talk? An episode filled with heart (pun intended), resilience, and a whole lot of wisdom. In this inspiring conversation, I’m joined by Ronn James, a 40-year real estate veteran, coach, and mentor who’s not only survived the operating table but also built a legacy of success and impact.

Ronn and I share a unique bond, having both gone under the knife and emerged stronger—literally, with scars to prove it. But beyond the shared experiences of surgery, we dive deep into what it takes to not just survive life’s toughest moments, but to thrive. Ronn brings wit, wisdom, and plenty of real talk as we explore:

• The life lessons that only open-heart surgery can teach you.
• How to build a sustainable business (and life) with passion and purpose.
• The secret sauce to overcoming adversity and coming out stronger on the other side.

If you’ve ever needed a reminder that life’s greatest challenges can lead to its greatest triumphs, this episode is for you. Ronn’s story will leave you feeling inspired, motivated, and ready to take on whatever comes next—with a few laughs along the way. Trust me, you’ll want to hit download on this one.

On just a number today we have got a special guest

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we have got a fellow 'zipper brother' of mine

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Ronn James another survivor of open heart surgery

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and a man with

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not just 40 years of unbelievable experience

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a mentor a coach

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all kinds of stories but spoiler alert

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he even gets me singing on this episode

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so you're welcome and I'm sorry all at the same time

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this is just a number

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Hello once again

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it's Daniel here it's just a number

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and I am pretty freaking excited today

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to be joined by my special guest

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I have Coach Ronn with me today

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Ronn James

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respected authority in the real estate industry

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he's got a deep passion for helping others thrive

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he's got 40 years of hands on experience

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a track record of success

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and you know what he's not just a coach

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he's a mentor

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and he's focused on growth and success of every client

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now I've known Ronn

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I've been getting to know Ronn

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we are going to get to know Ronn a lot more today

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he's got a story that goes back a couple years

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couple more than me and that's a

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that kind of lends itself well

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to talking about how age is just a number

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and how you can really take

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you know a story

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you can take wins you can take losses

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you can be resilient and you can make an amazing career

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and continue to power forward

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I am so excited to learn more about how he blends

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strategy how he blends compassion

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how he empowers real estate professionals

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how his coaching business has grown from a media career

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this man is a media Mogul folks

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and we're gonna learn all about that

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uh and so I'm just really excited to

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to speak to you I'm kind of

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unexcited about continuing to talk about you

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and not yet giving you the mic

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so once again everybody

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I'd like to welcome Ronn James

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thanks for coming on the show

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my absolute pleasure uh

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this was uh

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an honor as I've watched you

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champion your journey over the last

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year with your health at this point

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I have become a big fan of you and your family

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and certainly how you have pivoted

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for something that was life altering

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folks a bypass is not light surgery

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it's not like going to the dentist

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it's a pretty serious thing

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so when I actually see people

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go through that particular procedure

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that process and then of course the recovery

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I'm right there I

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I wanna be their shadow just to remind them that

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you know they can do it

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they're gonna they're gonna get

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they're gonna see the light at the end of the tunnel

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and I promise it won't be a train yes

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so I'm very very happy to be here

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happy to be asked to this particular podcast

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cause it's not just real estate focused

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it's about life it's about the cool things that we do

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and the uncool things that we do

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and how to fix those absolutely

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well and hey

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it's it's

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it's uh

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poignant that you're wearing a zipper

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cause we are zipper brothers haha

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right so I

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I should have

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we are for those when the mother ship lands

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if you're just listening to us right now

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just know that I've got my zipper

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it's just under my shirt right now as well

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so yeah I know that's I

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I appreciate that and

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and you know what I think um

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sometimes you know

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the things that

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that hit us in the wrong way lead to really good things

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and I think us getting to know each other better

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is one of those really nice outcomes

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from what was kind of a a shitty experience

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but it is what it is right

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I think uh

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like you said we come out better

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and there is a light at the end of the tunnel this

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this is part of it and you're definitely not a train

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haha so uh

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the question is

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do you have an arm zipper or a leg zipper?

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as well as the one on your chest

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I've I've got an arm zipper

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which is well hey

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that really makes us brothers oh

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you got mine mine is here

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I don't know if the camera on my arm yes

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it's there oh

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and yeah it's there

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uh yeah

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no the arm zippers there

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it's healing up nicely and uh yeah

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no it's uh

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it's been an interesting journey

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I guess I'm now what

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seven months removed and feeling good

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feeling good so

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so that was the scariest

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scariest day of my life going in

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knowing that you're going into theater

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and you're gonna come out with new plumbing

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and not knowing what that journey

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over the next 24 hours is gonna look like

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whether you're gonna see anybody that you love

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ever again yeah

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and even though they say oh

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we do it all the time

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it's like changing tires on my car

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not to me that's right

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that's right it's

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it's the unknown and

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I made a concerted effort

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not to do any more research than I needed to

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I didn't want Doctor Google to give me any

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any unnecessary expectations of what could be

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probably the better move not for everybody

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I know it's important to know what you're getting into

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but I don't know

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I think people please heed Daniel's advice

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I did watch the procedure

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that was videotaped on YouTube

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not mine but one like mine on a quad bypass

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and had I would have seen that before

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I was in theater at this point

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I would have been even more nervous than I was going in

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it is sick a team of

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you know two

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2 teams of three doctors

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each working on you simultaneously

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and it is pretty uh

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pretty scary to see

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when you watch a video of it after the fact

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and I'm absolutely really happy

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I didn't I

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I I couldn't wait to be

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it's strange and ironic

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maybe that I wanted to go under as quick as possible

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because I didn't want to be in that period of

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of anticipation if that's the right word

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nervous anticipation of what was to come

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cause once you're under yeah

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you wake up again and it's done

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but until then it's a lot of curiosity

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and a lot of worry for the people around you

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as well I think I was the most anxious about

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everybody who knew what I was going through

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and was nervous for me you know

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they care but it still

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it increases your own nerves

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when you know that people are

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are kind of going through the scenarios in their head

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as well it gets you thinking a little bit too much

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and you never want to be alone with your thoughts

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you want to be surrounded by

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you know yeah

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good vibes but you wanna be done

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and we're done you know

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and we are we made it

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we are made it so

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I have a story though

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I have a story that's pretty poignant yeah

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especially to you know just a number so uh

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about a week before my surgery I had my kids out

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we were at a diner having

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you know burgers and fries cause you know

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with the gravy if you're gonna have a bypass

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make sure you get the full extent of it

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log it as much as you can before they clear it yeah

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oh yeah I was already there anyway

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but you know

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what's what's another little bit of poutine

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that's um

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and we were talking my kids and I

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were talking about the fact that our local library

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had just gotten a 3D printer

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so we were talking cause we

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we joke and we fool around and

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and we were talking about all the crazy things

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we would 3D print if we had a 3D printer at home

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so it was like you know

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bookcases and iPhone cases and that kind of idea

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and then my 10 year old son looked at me and he said

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I'd print you a new heart

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so you don't have to go for the operation wow

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done that's that's that's it done

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done wow that is just

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I'm sure it still chokes you a little bit

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even thinking about it

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that is just 100% gets me every time you know what

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it's it's

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it should never take such a life event

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to remind us how much the people around us care for us

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you know but hey

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I mean those those are the moments that

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I don't know the right way to put it

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it doesn't it doesn't make it all worth it

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that's the wrong way to put it

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cause we'd rather

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not have to go through it in the first place

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but wow is that a

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a really cool kind of byproduct of a bad situation

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where you know

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it reminds you

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if you didn't already know how much your kids

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you know care for you

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love you and wanna see you okay

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so that's awesome and yeah

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I think we need to go find ourselves a 3D printer

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and just start making

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making hearts for people and bringing them out to

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to folks let's do it

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so how how long ago was that

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it was over 10 years ago now right

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it was yeah

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just about 11 years um

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and then I I did have a

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a good friend a client and good friend

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uh Rob McKichan

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who's a

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a TD mortgage specialist out of the Burlington area

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um I had posted one of my anniversaries

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I I can't remember which one it was

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but um

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he he corrected me

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cause I had said it was the anniversary of my

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my bypass and

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you know it means a lot to me

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cause it's not everybody gets a second chance

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there's a lot of people on this planet that are here

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just by luck and I'm one of them

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you're one of them that's right

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and uh

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Rob basically said it's not an anniversary Celebration

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it is a Life Day Celebration

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it is the this day is bigger than your birthday

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this is your second chance

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your second round and it's yours to

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you know grow and flourish or waste

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so you decide what Life Day means to you

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but it is your Life Day Celebration

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and I know you and I've talked about it on

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on text at this point in time that

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you know

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you're coming up to an anniversary in five months

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um and it will certainly take over

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you know uh

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what your birthday means to you

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your life day will be even bigger than that

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absolutely so it

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it really it

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it's it's true when they say today's

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you know the first day of the rest of your life

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and we've got yes

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we've gotta live every minute

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that's a big reason this is here

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this is a big reason we're talking to you about

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you know your journey and how you continue to do that

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I mean I

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I'm not kidding when I say you're one of the

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the most active whether it's social media

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whether it's all these things

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people might acquaint with

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all that's on that's only for the teenagers right

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that's all you know

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I'm seeing I'm seeing constant engagement

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um and it not only puts a smile on my face

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but it reinforces how much effort

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and how much you're really taking every day

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for everything it's worth

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and putting it out there and sharing uh

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which is why it's so good to talk to you here today and

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and to learn more about where you've been and

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and what got you to where you are and

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and where you're going cause like you said

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this is you know

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every day is a life day now right

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and it should be for everybody absolutely

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you don't need bypass surgery to

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to feel that way yeah

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uh and

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and so many people you know

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don't get those those chances so

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you know when I get a chance to

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you know not have people go through a bypass

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just to kind of be appreciative of gratitude for

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you know the rest of their life at this point

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but it's like let's put you in that position

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and when you realize like

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I'm older than you at this point

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there is a best before date

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like it's it comes to an end

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so the point of that situation is

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what do you do with the rest of your life

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that's right like uh

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you know one of the

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I'm gonna pivot here if you don't mind um

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as a coach I'm

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I'm great and I have been doing it for years

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helping people build a business plan

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they can tell me what they're gonna do on the day

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12 months from now three years from now

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five years from now in some cases 10 years from now

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I have people that

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are that far out advanced at this point

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that they can tell me you know

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in 2035 on Christmas what they're doing with who

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where and when at this point however

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when I take their career

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so if it happens to be real estate

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if I take I say okay

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this is the last day you can talk about real estate

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as of tomorrow you know nothing

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I'm I

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I blank you like you know

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men in black and you know nothing about your career

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and people kind of well

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then I'll live for my kids excellent

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your kids are all married

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they're all settled they all have their own lives

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you did good mom and dad right

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here you go what's left

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what's the life business plan

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I've never written one

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I can tell you what I might be able to do next Tuesday

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but if you ask me a month from now

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I don't know I have nothing past next Tuesday

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and even at that's a stretch cause what do I do

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who am I I was defined by a career for most of my life

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so in this particular case

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when you have a reset like we've had right

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and you don't need like you said

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a bypass surgery to reset your

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you know your frame of reference

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but the point of that situation is

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what does the rest of your life look like

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you know I

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I they call it the Zen

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you know Zen wittiness right

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it's from The Shawshank Redemption

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I'm stealing that from Brian Buffini

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that's his favorite movie

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but he talks about the fact that this guy

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Andy Dufresne one of the main characters in the film

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right

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he's not living for prison

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like he might be there for 20 years

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40 years he's planning for when he's out

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when it's his life when it's his time

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and it's very indelible

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so what's our indelible life plan

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I've I've never built one

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I've never built a vision board for life

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I've done them always for business

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but I'll tell you

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I'm pretty keen on doing them for life

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I would love to do some kind of workshop on

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let's build a life plan and it yes

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it has actuaries and yes it's got dates

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and yes it's got goals

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and yes it's got milestones

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cause it should

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right but that's it

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you're right you've got to look beyond the immediate

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what everybody tells you

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is the way you're supposed to plan

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cause that's not really the way it is and

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and I think people out there need to take a step back

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and look at the big picture

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we're we're with

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for everybody just joining us

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we're with coach Ron Ron James plus the truth

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he's here this is uh it's

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it's kind of a good segue here

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into talking about how you got into coaching

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I mean you just dropped some

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some really deep stuff that when we think about coaches

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in any type of business I think to your point

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people immediately jump to the okay

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I wanna make a quarter million dollars next year

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you know I'd like my marketing plan to be more sound

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yada yada yada

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but you're right

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I don't think it's very typical

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that they peel back the layers of what really

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lies beyond the immediate

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stuff that you could maybe find in a textbook

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so what got you is it sort of life events of yours

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that got you into coaching

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have you always been interested in that

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and in bringing people to their best selves

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and making them think a little bit deeper

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uh the answer is yes

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and it was a road of discovery

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so I I want to just maybe

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perhaps touch on something before I pivot on that is

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I just got off a coaching call

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where a business owner worked very

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very hard uh

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put in personnel

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to offload a lot of the responsibilities

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the day to day responsibilities and if you will

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the administrative tasks that were bogging her down

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and it freed up a six hour window of time for her

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and her plight with that is

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what do I do with the 6 hours right

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and sadly for me cause as a coach

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I know what she's gonna do with the 6 hours

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she's gonna go back and reengineer

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all the things that she just

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engineered to put in place

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she's gonna micromanage everybody doing their

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job that she hired them to do

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and told them how to do it

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and she's gonna go back in and try to

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fix it with her free 6 hours

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you know interesting

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cause I'm I'm a new passion guy for car camping

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and I'm on a bunch of Facebook sites

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of people who go camping

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so whether you camp in a tent or a trailer

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or whatever the case is

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here's the saddest thing that I see on those posts hey

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we're all excited we bought all this new gear

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Amazon has got our credit card on speed dial

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at this point in time we're up at you know

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the Piney Park with our 3 and 5 year old

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what do we do

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how do you keep a 3 and a 5 year old

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entertained for a weekend

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and it's like

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that is the saddest story I've ever heard

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because they don't know how to play

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and the reason why

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we're very good at scheduling ourselves

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because people said if you're idle hands

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you're lazy so we've decided to kind of

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you know bequeath that to our children oh

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they got soccer here

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but we got to be back by 6 cause they got Coomand

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then they have a piano lessons after that

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so it's like oh great

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we've taken our business model

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and the fact that we just kind of energize ourselves

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and now inflicted it on our children fantastic right

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when is there that time for play

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because they forgot you forgot

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that's right

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but they have generators and big screen TVs

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so bring the Xbox

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and we'll do it in front of the campfire

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that's right the machine has grown

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they've got their process

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but where's the creativity

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where's the spontaneity things like that

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I I had the pleasure of meeting a 10 year old kid

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this past weekend on my my

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my first official car camp

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where I was on a raw piece of land

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and my Kent was on my car

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and here we go I meet Austin

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Austin's 10 years old and I'm watching

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I'm like Austin what grade are you in

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he's like Grade 4 and I'm like

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alright excellent

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I said what's your favorite subject

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he said science

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not on that you know

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a little unusual for a 10 year old boy to say science

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and I'm like what do you like about science

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he goes it's science

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it's like yeah

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I guess yeah

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it really is

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it's a good point and you're not you're not wrong

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so uh it's funny

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I'm watching uh Austin and Austin's gonna build a fire

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so he's gathering rocks

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he's making the pit right's get all the sticks

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he's got he's got a real good fire game going

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and I'm like Austin I'm really impressed brother

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you've got this thing down

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I'm like you know

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does your family camp

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and is this where you've Learned this

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he goes come on man

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outdoor boys

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and I had just been introduced to it the day before

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so Outdoor Boys is a YouTube channel

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a guy who lives up in Alaska

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he's a lawyer but he is he is he's Jeremiah Johnson

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like he is a woodsman right

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he is a bushcraft hunter fisher

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like he does this for real

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and his channels are really entertaining

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but he's got three young boys

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and they all come with him

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so they're all being exposed to this situation as well

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nature and what nature has to offer

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so I said really you watch Outdoor Boys

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and he goes well you know

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I get up and it's like a Saturday morning

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and I'm kind of bored

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so I go watch what they have on the on the channel

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and they say hey

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today we're gonna kind of you know

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on this 30 minute episode

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we're gonna go build a fort at this point

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so I watch the video

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and then I get my ass going and I go build a fort

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that's exactly word for word

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what 10 year old Austin told me amazing

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and he lit the fire you know

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one match in the whole thing just like perfect

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and I'm like Austin that was amazing

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and he's he's got this knife and

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and it's this really ominous looking knife

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and he goes it's not sharp

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and I'm like it looks crazy sharp

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he goes you couldn't an idiot couldn't cut your hand

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I'm like you haven't met me haha yeah

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let's try so I'm like

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could you sharpen it he said

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I could

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but that would kind of conflict with my other knife

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and I'm like oh

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you have another knife he goes

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oh I have a camp knife

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and I'm like all right

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I'm like do you know how to sharpen the camp knife

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he goes of course

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I'm like when did you learn to sharpen your knife

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he goes when I was 4

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I said I Learned yesterday

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right I'm 63

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he's 10 right

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he wins

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and I'm like hey

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uh haha Austin

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can you spit in this cup I want to sell your DNA

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and sprinkle it on other people's children haha

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honestly like he

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he had it dialed in like

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he didn't need the external world

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to tell him how to live a life

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he decided to kind of get off his ass

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his words right

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and figure it out for himself yep

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like holy crap man

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I really I need your story

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well you know what I

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I find curiosity is

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is a dying quality in a lot of people

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and he seemed to have that and still has it

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like that drives you to learn to ask questions

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to not do what everyone else is doing

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and that's uh

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I kind of wanna meet Austin

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I kind of wanna go camping with Austin haha

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I feel like you could help me out too

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I don't know if we're worthy

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yeah I know

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it's true he

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he he could be our camp leader maybe maybe

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oh for sure

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for sure we're giving him the whistle

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honestly so

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so what do you do to to stay ahead of the game and

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you know whether it's through curiosity

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whether it's just trying to keep yourself

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always learning like do

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do you find that that's what drives you

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is just to stay curious and like the car camping

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like where did that come from for you

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well and

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and you know

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interestingly enough you're right

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so

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uh the revelation of

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you know it is uh

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this is your life day this is the second chapter

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this is the second chance

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so uh

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you know we

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I've done a few things in the last couple of years

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that have really just focused me

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so uh

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I got married a couple years ago to my lovely bride

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and we went to Greece on our uh holiday

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she's Greek and we went to Sparta

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which is her family's village

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although she's never been back

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and none of her siblings have at this point

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that's where her parents were from

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they both since passed at this point

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so we were there for really for about a 10 day junket

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and because we're both real estate agents

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and

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I swore that I would never marry a real estate agent

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but here we are who knew

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um

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who knew yes

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and so we got there and we were looking at real estate

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her uncle was the the the driver

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you know

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you can come out here and buy something for 25,000 yeah

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missing a zero there champ anyway

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so we saw an apartment fell in love and we bought it

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now it's still two years and we're not closed

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so

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Greek real estate is a little different than Toronto

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real estate

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and she's my lovely wife Antonia

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Andonia for all the Greeks that are on the call uh

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she said why do you wanna do this

636

I'm like your uncle took me for a walk

637

and 10 minutes away from where we have a condo now

638

right we walked to this park and the

639

the road

640

went from a road with sidewalks on either side

641

down to just a road down to a dirt road

642

down to a path and all of this in about 10 minutes

643

and we get into this park

644

it's gated at this point

645

there's a woman in in that's sitting on a lawn chair

646

she speaks Greek to the Uncle Theo and uh

647

we're walking through

648

and I see a sign written in Greek and English called

649

you know Acropolis and I'm like no

650

no Acropolis is in in Athens anyway

651

we walk and I'm starting to see ruins

652

like

653

columns that are broken and just lying on the ground

654

and amongst the grass et cetera and I

655

he comes up and he stops and we're on these

656

you know kind of broken

657

what look like tiles that

658

are big slabs of stone and granite and stuff like this

659

and I'm like what the hell is this

660

and he said this is Sparta I'm like okay yeah

661

I've seen the movie he goes no no

662

this

663

this is it where the guy says that we're right there

664

it's actually it like we are right where he said it

665

you know 25 years ago and I'm like

666

what what are you what are you talking about

667

and he goes yeah I'm like

668

I can see your house from here and uh he said yeah

669

he said 10 minutes down the road 5,000 years ago

670

like actually 25 years ago to be exact at this point

671

were Leonidas stood there and said

672

this is Sparta wow interesting

673

when you're sitting in your condo

674

watching the movie 300 and they ride into Sparta

675

and I pause the film as they're riding in

676

kind of going where the TV is

677

is like 10 minutes from this balcony

678

I'm liking it

679

that's this real juxtaposition of you know

680

where things are so my wife she asked me she said

681

why would you buy a property in in Greece

682

especially Sparta I'm like

683

you're related to a third of the city

684

like literally if there's 25,000 people

685

you're related to personally 8,000 of them

686

so we kind of get our own fan base here

687

but number two is right outside my apartment

688

right outside my apartment

689

like literally across the street where there should be

690

somebody else's house

691

is a building that's set of ruins that's 25 years old

692

I've watched for the last two years

693

an archaeological team take it apart

694

like dig it bring it down

695

bring up all of the stuff

696

and I'm fascinated by it riveted to the whole process

697

and I went down and I spoke to the archaeologist

698

who's a woman

699

and I'm like oh

700

my god this is

701

you know I'm from Canada

702

this is like looking at the moon close up

703

like we have we have zero reference point

704

the oldest you know

705

piece of the oldest building in North America

706

not including Mexico is 450 years old

707

you know it's like 450 years old in Quebec City

708

our oldest city in Canada

709

and she goes 450

710

she goes

711

we have streets where they're thousands of years old

712

and they're still standing and still

713

you know habitable and

714

and our people's residences

715

and she said for sure 600

716

you know years old is new

717

and it's like wow

718

and she said did you notice anything

719

looking down from your balcony about this dig

720

and I'm like what's the pipe at the back

721

she said indoor plumbing

722

this is Roman built 25 years ago with indoor plumbing

723

I'm like are you kidding

724

and she said nope

725

and she said by the way

726

to you it's the moon

727

to me it's Tuesday

728

I have several of these sites going on

729

at any given time at this point in time

730

this is just what I do like to her it was nothing to me

731

it was mythical yeah

732

so my point is I'm like alright

733

I'm 63 I might have 20 years left in the planet

734

maybe less with my heart issue at this point in time

735

and it's like I wanna die with an adventure

736

I wanna die with someone saying

737

what the hell is he up to now

738

that's what I wanna do at this point

739

and that curiosity has pulled it out

740

I you know started paddle boarding two years ago

741

fell in love with the sport right

742

do it I live in Welland

743

so I'm surrounded by canals and waterways

744

so I paddle board a lot am I really good at it

745

no but do I really love it

746

yep does it like me

747

depends on the day

748

but it gives me something at this point

749

to do something that I can't do on my own

750

somebody says hey

751

we're gonna go and just sit and do nothing

752

and listen to nothing

753

yeah

754

a little hard for a guy with ADHD at this point in time

755

who is used to programming every microsecond of his day

756

to do nothing is beyond my scope of comprehension

757

paddle boarding puts me in that space

758

just kind of goes you can only be one with the water

759

hopefully out of it instead of in of it

760

that's it at this point

761

and then then the car camping and where that came from

762

is my good friend fellow realtor Dave Chomitz

763

he retired out West Vernon

764

BC and he bought a sprinter van

765

not I think the Dodge version of it

766

not the Mercedes version of it

767

just as a work van and he had tricked it all out

768

and Dave's a millwright by trade

769

so his van is literally the millennial Falcon it it is

770

it's got all these he can

771

you know live off this thing if there's an apocalypse

772

Dave's good for like a next month at this point

773

and he's just worked on this van and he

774

he uh

775

the beginning of the summer mid summer I get a call hey

776

uh you wanna meet for coffee

777

I'm like I'm not in Vernon BC and he said neither am I

778

I'm in Cobourg uh

779

but I'm gonna come in on this particular date

780

and we can have breakfast alright

781

fair enough so I asked him where's your wife

782

he said oh still in Cobourg

783

I said

784

you drove from Cobourg to have breakfast with me

785

in Burlington and he said

786

hell no he said

787

I like you not that much he said I'm staying local

788

I'm like where

789

he said Bronte Creek Provincial Park I'm like

790

that's a trailer park and he said

791

and I have a trailer or a van so he said

792

what I do is I line up all my

793

my dates

794

cause I still have a bunch of people I love to see

795

and come to visit when I'm here

796

I just bring my

797

my bedroom on wheels with me wherever I go

798

so I can go into the middle of the city like Bronte

799

you know Bronte Creek Provincial Park and set up space

800

so I have a breakfast with you I have a lunch with

801

you know somebody else

802

and I have a dinner with somebody else on the way out

803

at that point I'm like really

804

and he goes

805

when you have a bedroom on wheels

806

you can go wherever you want

807

he said when I go to Vancouver weirdly enough

808

and it's just kind of you know historic

809

they have a trailer park

810

right in the middle of Vancouver

811

so I book a spot there and for 40 bucks

812

I can stay per night right in downtown Vancouver

813

in my own bed

814

so to speak because I built the damn thing yeah

815

so he said

816

I can go to places that most people can't go

817

or afford to go in my van of action

818

that's what he calls it that's the website

819

that's the YouTube channel Van of action right

820

it's Dave Thomas so

821

we actually have a camping date

822

coming up in the next week or two

823

where Dave and I are gonna go sleep out

824

sleep over

825

right on I can't wait

826

and you got

827

you got you got to invite Austin if he's available

828

oh I I wish yeah

829

if he's um

830

but you know and it's funny because my son is 20

831

he's military has been for about the last four years

832

he just shakes his head

833

he thinks the old man's just lost it at this point

834

he's like

835

I could take you to Canadian Tire for 100 bucks

836

and you could sleep outside

837

he said you wouldn't last

838

but you could do it and I'm like yeah

839

well I have a car

840

I can have more stuff than that

841

he said you have a bunch of shit that

842

you know you don't even need to camp you

843

you're gonna cut yourself on the packaging

844

let alone the sharp bits at this point

845

so he's like you are the worst car camp candidate ever

846

yeah I'll show you

847

I'll show you he said

848

I'll take you camping

849

but we're leaving the damn car behind

850

and it's like uh

851

you'll never see me again

852

hopefully this is got you know

853

some kind of legacy video here

854

this is it this

855

this lives on yeah

856

exactly forever for everybody

857

like let let this be in memory of Coach Ronn

858

yes he's

859

he's great he was great while he was here

860

and he went on that last car trip and it was

861

went out smiling um

862

but yeah so we're here with coach Ronn

863

Ronn James and we are talking all things

864

we are talking car camping

865

we are talking paddle boarding and uh

866

you know it's interesting when you talk about even

867

even the paddle boarding it reminds me about something

868

uh part of this recovery I'm going through as they

869

they get me in with a social worker

870

and we have some talks about stuff right

871

um one of the things that she talks about is

872

something that's always been a bit of a

873

a weird thing for me

874

cause I haven't been able to wrap my head around it

875

which is mindfulness because I'm not a meditator

876

I'm not somebody who can be alone with my thoughts

877

too much

878

but she brought up something really interesting

879

which is as you know you're a guitarist

880

I'm a drummer

881

which is something we haven't even talked about yet um

882

but she pointed out to me that if I'm when I'm drumming

883

she said that's mindfulness

884

she said that is when you're in your thing

885

and you're just kind of lost in not being

886

kind of taken aback by the world around you

887

everyone's got their own version

888

like meditation is not what people picture of them

889

sitting and kind of closing their eyes um

890

kind of thing and that really opened my eyes to

891

almost appreciating the things we do

892

that we love a little bit more

893

that it's not just a hobby

894

it's actually a way to kind of re center ourselves and

895

and and disassociate ourselves from the noise

896

that surrounds us all the time

897

like do you when you go paddle boarding

898

I don't know if if

899

if maybe that's a little bit too leading of a question

900

but is that sort of an element of

901

when you're doing these things

902

or when you're playing guitar

903

like do you find that

904

that helps you kind of get away from everything

905

or is that

906

not something you've ever found to be a problem

907

in the first place no

908

no always

909

you know it's interesting

910

at 63 there was no such thing as adult ADHD

911

we didn't even know what the hell ADHD was

912

add that kind of situation

913

that moniker it was for kids yep

914

and uh

915

for me you know

916

I went like

917

that's how the whole heart thing kind of came about

918

my son was diagnosed with ADHD

919

I mean if your pencil falls off your desk

920

at this point in school oh

921

you're ADHD

922

so they're really quick to medicate children and

923

and put them into program

924

put them on a spectrum and and rightfully so

925

I mean I'm sure they

926

you know uh

927

they deserve to be there

928

and way to go for early detection however

929

it comes with a whole bunch more confusion um

930

in my case I wanted to follow my son's journey

931

he was 6 when he was diagnosed at this point

932

and I'm like you know

933

I think I have this my wife thinks I have this

934

like put me on the same smarties you're gonna give him

935

and that's how I went to a psychiatrist and he's like

936

oh yeah for sure you're raging ADHD for sure

937

you're like you're the poster child

938

so he said but you know

939

you're a you know

940

early 50 year old you know

941

fat white guy and uh

942

this will kill you if I give you these med meds

943

these medications so

944

you go get a cardiologist to sign off

945

that I'm not gonna take you out

946

and we're good to go and the cardiologist

947

you know a very long story short right

948

he looked at me blessed the pills

949

I started taking

950

the same medication that you take for ADHD

951

as my son was taking at this point in time

952

and literally in 3 months

953

my cardiologist fired me

954

part of the firing process was a little bit more in

955

in depth invasive

956

making sure they did little checks and balances

957

and in the checks and balances

958

they found out that there was a blockage

959

turned out to be five arteries I have

960

and all of them were deathly blocked

961

and it was a fluke

962

was the fluke everybody that was involved

963

all of the specialists all the team

964

my surgeon they were like

965

how did you know and my cardiologist went

966

was a hunch was a guess

967

wow we

968

we we lucked out

969

and you wouldn't have seen him in the first place

970

if it wasn't for the referral from the wow

971

yeah hundred percent

972

the world works in very mysterious ways

973

doesn't it yes

974

yes it does

975

and like I said who knew

976

my son's illness right would be what saved me

977

and he couldn't print me a heart

978

but boy did he save my life 100%

979

so yeah but to your point so uh

980

you know I've always kind of been dabbling uh

981

you know with music from the time I was about 9

982

my mom stuck a guitar in my hand

983

and the only reason why I never understood

984

her kind of zeal for making me a guitar player

985

um and I'm a

986

I'm a I'm a three chord campfire guitar player

987

a good one but that's where I am

988

I you know I don't play lead so to speak

989

uh my my biological father I'm I'm adopted from

990

you know at age of 4

991

but my biological father is a country western

992

on the Canadian charts

993

he's a you know known guy Ross Allen is his name

994

and uh

995

they were my mom was a groupie apparently I guess

996

and you know I'm part of the groupie crowd now

997

but um all the way through

998

I was always kind of picking up the guitar

999

I I did it just to meet girls

00:37:04,433 --> 00:37:06,400

cause that's what you do when you're a guitar player

00:37:06,666 --> 00:37:08,566

um when I was thirty

00:37:09,366 --> 00:37:12,100

I met a man who played in a bar and and you know

00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:14,400

if you watch the movie I think it's called uh

00:37:14,533 --> 00:37:19,766

Broken Heart with um Bo Bridges are Jeff Bridges

00:37:19,766 --> 00:37:21,000

excuse me his brother

00:37:21,033 --> 00:37:23,100

Jeff Bridges plays this kind of broken down old

00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:24,500

country guy who's

00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:26,300

you know an alcoholic and stuff

00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:28,533

that's the guy I met him I I

00:37:28,533 --> 00:37:30,366

I met you know

00:37:30,366 --> 00:37:33,233

a real life incarnation of that character

00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:34,733

when I was 30 years old

00:37:34,733 --> 00:37:38,466

who played music in a little tiny bar in Pickering

00:37:38,633 --> 00:37:42,133

I lived on a boat at the end of my dock was that bar

00:37:42,666 --> 00:37:44,533

so I would go in there Friday nights

00:37:44,533 --> 00:37:47,533

and I would be just singing my ass off

00:37:47,533 --> 00:37:49,133

to this guy's set list at

00:37:49,133 --> 00:37:50,166

to the point where I'm sure they're like

00:37:50,166 --> 00:37:50,633

hey man

00:37:50,633 --> 00:37:51,733

drink your beer and shut up

00:37:51,733 --> 00:37:53,300

like keep it down over there

00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:54,100

honestly

00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:56,133

he was my mentor

00:37:56,133 --> 00:37:59,500

I actually had breakfast with him every day for a year

00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:03,833

he taught me how to be a bar entertainer

00:38:03,833 --> 00:38:05,100

he never taught me a song

00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:07,600

it wasn't like this is how you play Brown Eyed Girl

00:38:07,733 --> 00:38:10,066

but he taught me how to be an entertainer

00:38:10,066 --> 00:38:13,433

I had breakfast with the guy every day for 365 days

00:38:13,566 --> 00:38:15,200

we had breakfast together

00:38:16,066 --> 00:38:19,100

and he taught me about our life

00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:19,933

weirdly enough

00:38:19,933 --> 00:38:23,233

he played on my biological father's first album

00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,133

before you had ever met him

00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:27,266

before I had ever met him

00:38:27,266 --> 00:38:28,300

yeah when he was a kid

00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:30,000

like he was like uh

00:38:30,133 --> 00:38:31,700

he kind of quit school in Grade 10

00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:34,533

so he's like a 15 16 year old kid playing piano

00:38:34,533 --> 00:38:40,533

like drums he's a drummer by craft who could play keys

00:38:40,733 --> 00:38:43,066

who was also an amazing guitar player

00:38:43,066 --> 00:38:44,700

bass player et cetera

00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:46,533

if it had strings or keys

00:38:46,533 --> 00:38:49,733

he could play it and self taught

00:38:49,733 --> 00:38:51,433

no music education like

00:38:51,433 --> 00:38:53,933

he doesn't have a degree from anywhere at this point

00:38:53,933 --> 00:38:55,200

he just had a talent

00:38:55,733 --> 00:38:58,633

so I Learned you know

00:38:58,633 --> 00:39:00,066

how to entertain in a bar

00:39:00,066 --> 00:39:04,166

so I was a paid to play musician for 30 years

00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:08,100

and while I was doing all of my other career work

00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:09,533

so uh

00:39:09,533 --> 00:39:10,666

whether it was uh

00:39:10,766 --> 00:39:12,633

real estate and then

00:39:12,633 --> 00:39:16,533

I spent 10 years in the financial services industry

00:39:16,666 --> 00:39:18,366

as a coach as a specialist

00:39:18,366 --> 00:39:21,566

as a Realtor I'm working with mortgage people because

00:39:21,566 --> 00:39:23,733

who are their clients realtors

00:39:23,866 --> 00:39:26,466

who don't they know how to talk to realtors

00:39:26,466 --> 00:39:28,466

my job was to teach them how to talk to realtors

00:39:28,466 --> 00:39:30,066

how to actually get involved

00:39:30,066 --> 00:39:31,566

to become a partner with a Realtor

00:39:31,566 --> 00:39:33,866

as opposed to just servicing them right

00:39:33,866 --> 00:39:37,133

so a lot of that was coaching

00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:40,366

bankers on how to work with entrepreneurs

00:39:41,066 --> 00:39:42,933

so and I loved it

00:39:42,933 --> 00:39:45,333

it was it was a handmade career for me

00:39:45,333 --> 00:39:46,500

I love you know

00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:48,233

to tell stories I love to educate

00:39:48,233 --> 00:39:49,366

I love to teach

00:39:49,533 --> 00:39:51,966

that comes through the entertainment side as well

00:39:51,966 --> 00:39:57,200

from being a musician but the music was the Yin Yang

00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:00,533

it was the juxtaposition from corporate blue suit

00:40:00,533 --> 00:40:04,333

bank world to entertaining on stage

00:40:04,333 --> 00:40:06,433

and I tried to blend the two together

00:40:06,433 --> 00:40:08,533

they don't always work but when they did

00:40:08,533 --> 00:40:10,233

they were absolute magic

00:40:10,933 --> 00:40:11,900

people said I

00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:14,266

I thought you were an asshole when I when I

00:40:14,266 --> 00:40:15,866

you know saw you training in the bank

00:40:15,866 --> 00:40:18,166

and then I heard you play and all of a sudden

00:40:18,166 --> 00:40:20,900

I'm your biggest fan now you got street cred

00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:22,633

I take it all back yeah

00:40:22,633 --> 00:40:23,433

I go man

00:40:23,433 --> 00:40:24,166

it's uh

00:40:24,166 --> 00:40:24,533

you know it's

00:40:24,533 --> 00:40:26,500

it's interesting that you know

00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:27,466

not in every case

00:40:27,466 --> 00:40:30,366

but I'm a firm believer that all these things we do and

00:40:30,366 --> 00:40:33,566

and the willingness to just jump into stuff

00:40:33,566 --> 00:40:35,100

because you only live once

00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:35,933

and because you know

00:40:35,933 --> 00:40:38,666

there's opportunity and maybe even slight interest

00:40:38,666 --> 00:40:42,166

like when something even slightly interests me

00:40:42,166 --> 00:40:43,633

I at least want to taste test

00:40:43,633 --> 00:40:45,666

even just to learn that I don't like it

00:40:45,733 --> 00:40:49,233

and in a lot of cases in almost every case

00:40:49,833 --> 00:40:53,966

it may not be a direct line or link to the next thing

00:40:53,966 --> 00:40:55,866

or to whatever you know your

00:40:55,866 --> 00:40:59,066

your career path is or things like that

00:40:59,066 --> 00:41:02,833

but you've totally touched on the fact that there is

00:41:03,033 --> 00:41:06,066

there's no mutual exclusivity from anything that you do

00:41:06,066 --> 00:41:08,366

right whether music in a bar

00:41:08,533 --> 00:41:11,066

seems a world away from coaching

00:41:11,066 --> 00:41:13,566

mortgage professionals and how to speak to realtors

00:41:14,366 --> 00:41:15,266

I I

00:41:15,266 --> 00:41:17,700

I'm sure you could connect any two phases

00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:19,633

or experiences in your life

00:41:19,633 --> 00:41:22,266

in one way or another whether it's direct

00:41:22,266 --> 00:41:23,366

or whether it's just sort of

00:41:23,366 --> 00:41:26,000

in theory of things you Learned along the way

00:41:26,233 --> 00:41:27,166

and that's

00:41:27,933 --> 00:41:29,566

to me that's such an interesting thing

00:41:29,566 --> 00:41:30,933

as I learn more about people

00:41:30,933 --> 00:41:32,900

I learn more about myself about

00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:33,233

you know

00:41:33,233 --> 00:41:35,666

why do we do the things we do and what do they lead to

00:41:35,666 --> 00:41:35,933

right

00:41:35,933 --> 00:41:38,833

nothing I don't think happens for complete by accident

00:41:38,833 --> 00:41:41,966

I think we make our path we chart our path

00:41:41,966 --> 00:41:43,466

but you know

00:41:43,466 --> 00:41:46,366

the decisions we make are all for something

00:41:46,366 --> 00:41:49,000

even if they don't seem like it when we're doing them

00:41:49,466 --> 00:41:52,200

oh 100% and uh

00:41:52,833 --> 00:41:55,533

a good friend of mine used to have a showcase

00:41:55,533 --> 00:41:59,300

so he would have a networking night um

00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:00,766

Barry Lebo uh

00:42:00,766 --> 00:42:04,033

did these on the regular and um

00:42:04,766 --> 00:42:07,100

uh he had one and I said I

00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:08,833

I want a time slot

00:42:08,833 --> 00:42:10,566

like figure out what your calendar looks like

00:42:10,566 --> 00:42:11,766

I want a time slot I

00:42:11,766 --> 00:42:14,866

I worked for a year on a program that I introduced

00:42:14,866 --> 00:42:16,300

at his uh

00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:17,966

event and then subsequently at a

00:42:17,966 --> 00:42:19,733

at a coaching event uh

00:42:19,733 --> 00:42:21,933

and it was called Sing Song Cell

00:42:22,566 --> 00:42:25,133

and it was talking about musicians

00:42:25,166 --> 00:42:28,233

so you're a musician I'm a musician right

00:42:28,233 --> 00:42:31,666

if if we go and we get a gig

00:42:31,666 --> 00:42:33,066

so we're gonna play Daniel you

00:42:33,066 --> 00:42:33,966

you're the drummer in our band

00:42:33,966 --> 00:42:35,566

and I'm the guitar player in our band

00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:38,333

at this point we're gonna play uh

00:42:38,333 --> 00:42:40,400

a month from now well

00:42:40,733 --> 00:42:42,366

we're gonna rehearse like

00:42:42,366 --> 00:42:44,500

there's gonna be two or three rehearsals per week

00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:46,366

for the next four weeks right

00:42:46,366 --> 00:42:49,933

we're gonna have 20 hours more

00:42:49,933 --> 00:42:55,266

24 hours of rehearsal to play three 45 minute sets

00:42:56,166 --> 00:42:59,033

right we've played these songs a million times now

00:42:59,033 --> 00:43:00,866

we just played them a million and one

00:43:01,466 --> 00:43:05,766

so we will put that kind of effort into right

00:43:05,766 --> 00:43:09,466

the event to be great for one show

00:43:10,133 --> 00:43:12,266

and I when I bug real estate agents

00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:14,433

it's like okay

00:43:14,433 --> 00:43:15,966

you do a buyer presentation

00:43:15,966 --> 00:43:17,100

I call it a plan

00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:18,500

cause I don't like the word presentation

00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:19,966

sounds like a pitch right

00:43:19,966 --> 00:43:21,566

when you're gonna do a listing plan

00:43:21,566 --> 00:43:23,633

not a listing presentation right

00:43:23,633 --> 00:43:24,700

when do you practice oh

00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:29,233

I know it good go show me right

00:43:29,233 --> 00:43:30,666

you don't know it as well as you think you do

00:43:30,666 --> 00:43:32,766

cause you you did it once you built it once

00:43:32,766 --> 00:43:34,633

you built a slide deck in a way ago

00:43:34,866 --> 00:43:36,933

and you can't do it the same way twice

00:43:37,066 --> 00:43:38,600

because you don't practice it

00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:41,466

and you can't also prepare it

00:43:41,466 --> 00:43:44,566

and present it in a way that the client will listen

00:43:44,933 --> 00:43:45,300

right

00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:47,633

I love the song Brown Eyed Girl you change the words

00:43:47,633 --> 00:43:49,500

it's not the same song I can't sing along

00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:52,966

so I don't like your version and at the same time

00:43:52,966 --> 00:43:54,366

I really like reggae so

00:43:54,366 --> 00:43:56,966

unless you can do Brown Eyed Girl with a reggae beat

00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:00,866

at this point in time I'm not listening right yep

00:44:00,866 --> 00:44:03,466

I know the song yep yep you did it really well

00:44:03,466 --> 00:44:04,333

not interested

00:44:05,466 --> 00:44:07,166

and when I looked at that

00:44:07,166 --> 00:44:08,933

I looked at the fact that people said well

00:44:08,933 --> 00:44:10,900

I don't like scripts I can't learn scripts

00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:13,866

I can't learn how to repeat things and you kind of go

00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:16,700

yeah you can it's actually hardwired into your DNA

00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:17,766

do you know why

00:44:17,866 --> 00:44:21,266

because long ago when we were grunting over a fire

00:44:21,866 --> 00:44:23,700

somebody started looking at our legacy

00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:24,666

our lineage

00:44:25,233 --> 00:44:26,633

and they trusted

00:44:26,633 --> 00:44:29,800

just the shaman to remember our history

00:44:29,933 --> 00:44:31,833

and eventually the shaman got old

00:44:31,833 --> 00:44:34,500

his thing got a little bit kind of gray and foggy

00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:36,900

and he didn't quite remember it the same way

00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:39,700

every time same story sorta

00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:43,033

but like a bad game of telephone he would basically

00:44:43,766 --> 00:44:45,866

you know tell the story and every time there

00:44:45,866 --> 00:44:48,433

there was a new version of it people would say

00:44:48,466 --> 00:44:49,233

wait a minute that's

00:44:49,233 --> 00:44:50,833

there's a new character in this one

00:44:51,033 --> 00:44:52,466

so what they started doing was

00:44:52,466 --> 00:44:54,033

somebody started tapping a log

00:44:54,033 --> 00:44:55,566

you'll appreciate this as a drummer

00:44:55,566 --> 00:44:59,366

they gave it a beat Boof boof boof

00:44:59,366 --> 00:45:01,033

when the story had cadence

00:45:01,366 --> 00:45:04,433

it actually was able to be replicated every time

00:45:04,433 --> 00:45:07,133

the same way the same information

00:45:07,133 --> 00:45:09,300

the same storyline the same characters

00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,600

no deviation based on a beat

00:45:12,933 --> 00:45:15,600

so the two sides of your brain

00:45:15,766 --> 00:45:18,366

work in a capacity where lyrics are on one

00:45:18,366 --> 00:45:19,666

and music's on the other

00:45:19,666 --> 00:45:22,266

so my test is when we'll use the word

00:45:22,266 --> 00:45:24,633

you know we'll use the song American Pie

00:45:24,833 --> 00:45:28,233

when I do a test with people I say do you know the song

00:45:28,233 --> 00:45:28,700

oh yeah

00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:28,966

yeah

00:45:28,966 --> 00:45:31,300

I love the song and they all start singing the chorus

00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:32,233

so I'm like okay

00:45:32,233 --> 00:45:32,933

stop stop stop

00:45:32,933 --> 00:45:34,133

stop right

00:45:34,133 --> 00:45:36,800

start with the first verse

00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:40,433

but you can't sing it you can speak it

00:45:40,533 --> 00:45:44,366

talk it to me and they usually get

00:45:44,366 --> 00:45:46,066

I can still remember yeah

00:45:46,066 --> 00:45:47,866

let's see how far you can go this will be fun

00:45:47,866 --> 00:45:49,766

how far can you go let's see okay

00:45:49,766 --> 00:45:51,333

a long long time you can't sing it

00:45:51,333 --> 00:45:53,000

I can still remember you can't sing it

00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:55,466

how the music it used to make me smile

00:45:55,466 --> 00:45:57,466

and I knew if I had my chance

00:45:57,466 --> 00:45:59,133

I would make those people dance

00:45:59,133 --> 00:46:02,133

and maybe they'd be happy for a while

00:46:02,366 --> 00:46:03,700

I I I really like this song

00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:06,200

but February made me shiver uh

00:46:06,466 --> 00:46:08,366

with is it okay

00:46:08,366 --> 00:46:11,066

so now good good good stop stop stop alright

00:46:11,066 --> 00:46:13,300

Daniel so sing it oh

00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:15,100

well I'm a terrible singer but hey

00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,133

a long long time ago

00:46:17,133 --> 00:46:19,833

I can still remember how the music

00:46:19,866 --> 00:46:21,800

used to make me smile

00:46:26,033 --> 00:46:29,233

those people dance and maybe they'd be happy

00:46:36,166 --> 00:46:38,833

bad news on the doorstep I couldn't take one

00:46:38,833 --> 00:46:40,633

I can't get that high one more step

00:46:40,633 --> 00:46:42,233

there you go wow there you go

00:46:42,233 --> 00:46:42,933

and it kept you just

00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:45,666

you just brought two sides of your brain together

00:46:45,666 --> 00:46:47,166

so one side knows the lyrics

00:46:47,166 --> 00:46:49,100

it's the library at this point

00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:51,333

and the other side knows the beat and the rhythm

00:46:51,333 --> 00:46:52,900

and the case of what happens

00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:54,733

and when you brought them together

00:46:55,133 --> 00:46:57,300

the length of memory you had

00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:59,366

you would have finished the song yeah

00:46:59,366 --> 00:47:01,766

I mean even the tough verses that people gonna go man

00:47:01,766 --> 00:47:02,766

I don't know that you know

00:47:02,766 --> 00:47:04,266

the fifth verse on that yeah yeah

00:47:04,266 --> 00:47:05,533

yes you do yes

00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:07,633

you do because if I play it in the car

00:47:07,866 --> 00:47:08,733

you're right there

00:47:08,733 --> 00:47:10,933

you're all over I think the audience

00:47:10,933 --> 00:47:11,533

the audience

00:47:11,533 --> 00:47:13,733

might be unhappy that my brain just met each other

00:47:13,733 --> 00:47:14,566

in the middle there

00:47:14,566 --> 00:47:18,233

but but that that that was a very useful test though

00:47:18,233 --> 00:47:20,633

that proves a point I'm I'm yeah

00:47:20,633 --> 00:47:22,333

and I'm gonna be singing it the whole way home

00:47:22,333 --> 00:47:23,333

and throughout the day yeah

00:47:23,333 --> 00:47:27,566

I I I'm responsible for the earworm but you know

00:47:27,566 --> 00:47:28,900

if you looked at that and

00:47:28,900 --> 00:47:31,000

and what I tried to get people to understand was

00:47:31,033 --> 00:47:35,066

the purpose of sing song cell was the the um

00:47:35,366 --> 00:47:40,433

the mindset that we go through when we're looking at um

00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:41,700

uh

00:47:42,166 --> 00:47:43,266

trying to have memory

00:47:43,266 --> 00:47:45,366

trying to do things by script or by wrote

00:47:45,433 --> 00:47:47,366

at this point and if you remember

00:47:47,366 --> 00:47:49,266

I don't know if your parents were one of these people

00:47:49,266 --> 00:47:50,666

but I was one of those ones

00:47:50,666 --> 00:47:52,366

if my parents heard the stereo

00:47:52,366 --> 00:47:54,933

while I was supposed to be doing homework

00:47:54,966 --> 00:47:56,266

at this point I may be like

00:47:56,266 --> 00:47:57,333

if I come up there

00:47:57,333 --> 00:47:59,633

turn that thing off blah blah blah blah

00:47:59,633 --> 00:47:59,766

what

00:47:59,766 --> 00:48:02,933

they didn't realize the neuroscience of what that is

00:48:02,933 --> 00:48:05,066

I would have more retention

00:48:05,133 --> 00:48:07,333

while having music in the background

00:48:07,666 --> 00:48:10,133

by doing my homework it would be sticky

00:48:10,133 --> 00:48:12,133

because I'm associating what I'm learning

00:48:12,166 --> 00:48:14,166

with what I'm hearing yep

00:48:14,266 --> 00:48:16,466

so to all the parents out there who kind of go

00:48:16,466 --> 00:48:18,866

turn that crap off get those earphones off

00:48:19,066 --> 00:48:21,033

put them back on mine

00:48:21,133 --> 00:48:22,733

mine happens to be Tony Braxton

00:48:22,733 --> 00:48:24,633

if I have to kind of learn something

00:48:24,633 --> 00:48:26,833

I have Tony Braxton in my headphones

00:48:26,833 --> 00:48:27,700

I love it it's the weirdest thing

00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:29,233

I know it's a crazy thing

00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:30,933

but that's what I listen to

00:48:30,933 --> 00:48:32,766

when I actually have to learn something

00:48:32,766 --> 00:48:34,666

or have to read and learn something

00:48:34,766 --> 00:48:36,300

Tony Braxton's helping me out there

00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:36,900

I love it I

00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:37,966

I don't know if you've heard it

00:48:37,966 --> 00:48:40,066

but I'm a big fan of the Weezer cover of

00:48:40,066 --> 00:48:42,066