Shownotes
State of the Second welcomes back Adam from Canik USA, the company's VP of Business Development and Marketing, for his second appearance on the show. Hosts John and Kaylee open with a round of rapid-fire questions before moving into where handgun design is heading. Adam walks through the arc from bulky high-capacity pistols to the micro compact wave that Springfield Armory and Sig's 365 helped start, and then to the more practical, fuller guns the market wants now. He uses the Canik Prime and the MC9 sitting on the table as examples, pointing to features like a compensator, optics-ready slides, night sights, co-witnessing, and an included G-Code holster as proof that companies are now putting real value straight in the box instead of leaving it to the aftermarket.
A big thread is Canik's investment in U.S. manufacturing. Adam explains that the Prime is built in a 162,000 square foot West Palm Beach facility with more than 100 employees, a step the company took partly because importation of firearms could be restricted by an executive order. He describes the Turkish and American workers as one team and frames domestic production as protection for the company's mission. The conversation then turns to the GOA Canik MC9 collaboration, the company's California launch, and the 187 billboards Canik put up across the state. The city of Oakland forced the billboards down under a permit rule that singled out guns, and Adam recounts how Gun Owners of California and GOA stepped in to fight it.
The episode also becomes a tribute to Sam, the GOA figure who recently passed away, with Adam and the hosts reflecting on his character and his approachable style of debate. They also talk about Rob Young, who took over at Gun Owners of California. From the soapbox segment, Adam delivers a pointed take on the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination, the danger of clips taken out of context, and the responsibility to do your own research and have real conversations. The hosts and Adam also dig into tariffs and thin firearm margins, the future of surplus and Century Arms imports including the AP5 line, and close with a lighthearted run through everyone's dream guns.
Questions this episode answers
Where is handgun design heading after the micro compact wave?
After the micro compact wave that Springfield Armory and Sig's 365 helped start, Adam sees the market moving toward more practical, fuller-size guns. He argues the consumer, not the manufacturer, should now drive what features a pistol carries.
Why is Canik building the Prime in the United States instead of importing it?
Canik USA built the Prime in a 162,000 square foot West Palm Beach facility partly because firearm importation could be restricted by an executive order. Adam frames domestic production as protection for the company's mission and a strong U.S. presence.
What features come standard on the Canik Prime and MC9?
Adam points to a compensator, optics-ready slides, night sights, co-witnessing, and an included G-Code holster. His argument is that Canik puts real value straight in the box rather than leaving it to the aftermarket.
What happened with Canik's billboard campaign in Oakland, California?
Canik put up 187 billboards across California for its launch, but the city of Oakland forced them down under a permit rule that singled out guns. Gun Owners of California and Gun Owners of America stepped in to fight it.
How did the GOA Canik MC9 collaboration come together?
The episode covers the Gun Owners of America (GOA) Canik MC9 collaboration alongside Canik's California launch and the fight over the Oakland billboards. Adam discusses how GOA and Gun Owners of California backed the effort.
How are tariffs affecting firearm pricing and company margins?
Adam talks through tariffs and the already thin margins on firearms, explaining the pressure they put on pricing. The discussion ties this to the broader economics of importing and building guns.
Is military surplus from Century Arms drying up?
Adam discusses the future of surplus and Century Arms imports, including the AP5 line. Canik paired with Century Arms in 2012, giving him a direct view into where surplus is headed.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Welcome back, Adam from Canik
- 01:16 — Rapid fire questions
- 06:58 — Adam's role and Canik's growth
- 07:55 — The Prime and the micro compact shift
- 13:54 — Putting value in the box
- 16:11 — Bringing manufacturing to the USA
- 20:17 — The GOA Canik MC9 collaboration
- 22:54 — California launch and the Oakland billboards
- 25:50 — Remembering Sam and meeting Rob Young
- 34:23 — Soapbox: out of context and doing your research
- 47:52 — Speech, intent, and where the line is
- 59:48 — Tariffs and thin firearm margins
- 1:03:16 — Surplus, Century Arms, and the AP5 line
- 1:05:24 — Dream guns and the Liberator
About the guest
Adam is the Vice President of Business Development and Marketing for Canik USA, based in West Palm Beach, Florida. He says Canik is originally out of Turkey, paired with Century Arms in 2012, and has grown into one of the largest striker-fire pistol companies in the United States. He describes Canik's 162,000 square foot West Palm Beach facility, which has over 100 employees building the Canik Prime. This was his second appearance on the podcast, having previously been on episode two. Last name spelling unconfirmed [VERIFY].
Key quotes
"Now it should be the consumer telling the gun manufacturer what they want. And that's in every business. That's not just guns." — Adam (Canik USA)
"we knew we needed to have a strong presence in the United States in order to be able to continue with what our mission and our goal is." — Adam (Canik USA)
"if you allow that to make you angry, you lose sight of what's important." — Adam (Canik USA)
"Do your research. Do your research on everything on both sides of the agenda." — Adam (Canik USA)
"while we're all competitors, we're in this together." — Adam (Canik USA)
"we can't let comments like that go unanswered. We have to insist on the Education being correct." — Kaylee (host)
Transcripts
Welcome to Gun Owners of America State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Kaylee.
Speaker B:And I'm John.
Speaker B:And today we have a man who needs no introduction.
Speaker B:The smallest man in the room, Adam Rinola from Canik usa.
Speaker B:He was here for episode two.
Speaker B:He is back again.
Speaker B:Adam, how are you today, my friend?
Speaker C:Man, I. I don't even know how to follow up that sort of introduction.
Speaker C:You know, nobody ever references my size.
Speaker C:So I appreciate you being an innovator in the path of podcasting.
Speaker C:Thank you for that.
Speaker C:I'm here.
Speaker B:I said you were small, so.
Speaker C:I know, I know.
Speaker C:I heard.
Speaker C:I don't know to be offended or flattered.
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Speaker B:We're gonna start with our first segment which is rapid fire questions.
Speaker B:This is new segment.
Speaker B:We're gonna ask you five questions.
Speaker B:You answer them how you see fit.
Speaker B:So I'm going to give you the softball ones first because I guess on our panel I didn't give you any softball questions first.
Speaker B:We dove right into it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So first softball question is how do you take your coffee?
Speaker C:Oh, great one.
Speaker C:I take it with one cream and a.
Speaker C:You know the terrible thing you're not supposed to do anymore, like the sweetener, like not as sugar, like preferably sweet and low.
Speaker C:One cream and a sweetener and everybody's mad at me about it.
Speaker C:I kind of get judged a little, especially with my size and the sweetener.
Speaker C:But daddy likes a little sugar, you.
Speaker B:Know,.
Speaker C:And you weren't ready for that.
Speaker C:I'm ready.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker C:I've got three coffees in on the way here.
Speaker C:I'm ready to go.
Speaker A:So do you think you would survive a zombie apocalypse?
Speaker C:Great question.
Speaker C:So everybody always says, where would you go?
Speaker C:You know, that was a question.
Speaker C:You know people, I think the one that I really like is going like to the ocean maybe.
Speaker C:I don't know if zombies can swim.
Speaker C:I think they would just walk on the bottom.
Speaker C:As long as I'm floating on the top, we're good.
Speaker C:But, but my question or My response to them always is, I'm going to work.
Speaker C:Think about what we do.
Speaker C:Like, I'm going where there's guns, where there's ammo and I'm gonna tap and rack and then if I need to, guess what?
Speaker C:I'm gonna go get somebody's food.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:I'm just being real with you.
Speaker C:I'm gonna go survive that way.
Speaker C:I'm going to work, I'm gonna get my emails done and then we're gonna make sure that these zombies aren't coming in.
Speaker C:And then I'm also gonna put the treadmills around the building.
Speaker C:Have you ever seen that meme where like the perfect zombie proof thing, the tread.
Speaker C:I'm ready.
Speaker C:I've thought this out.
Speaker B:All right, since you are a man who is well traveled, go to place for food or go to food order if you're out and about.
Speaker C:Two different things.
Speaker C:Yeah, place like city or like my favorite food dish.
Speaker B:Let's do both.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:City.
Speaker C:Best place for food overall in this country.
Speaker C:I probably say as much as I'm not a big fan of the city anymore, it's going to grab me.
Speaker C:I New Orleans, really good food.
Speaker C:Really good food.
Speaker C:And kind of like you can find all kinds of things.
Speaker C:So New Orleans for food, go to dish.
Speaker C:If I'm just, I don't want to be bothered.
Speaker C:I want to be left alone.
Speaker C:I want a big old pizza with prosciutto, Italian sausage and bacon.
Speaker C:And if I'm getting really fancy, some truffle oil on it and a cold beer.
Speaker C:If I'm going to be fancy.
Speaker C:I want, I want steak and crab legs.
Speaker B:That is fancy.
Speaker B:That's a good order, right?
Speaker C:And some melted butter.
Speaker C:Obviously you got to have the melted butter.
Speaker C:Like I want my heart to almost stop halfway through that meal, you know?
Speaker C:And a good glass of wine.
Speaker B:How do you take your steak?
Speaker C:Medium rare, perfect Pittsburgh style with a little bit of sea salt on the side.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, we're ready for this.
Speaker C:I'm ready.
Speaker C:Let's go.
Speaker A:So who is your most watched content creator in the two way space?
Speaker C:Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker C:So if I had to say who I probably watch the most now.
Speaker C:I did love Matt when Demolition Ranch.
Speaker C:I, I enjoyed him.
Speaker C:I liked the, the, the fact that he would kind of mix it up and have some fun with it too, as opposed to just always like there would be some technical information, but there'd also be that idea that this is a hobby.
Speaker C:This is something we love and we're allowed to as Long as we're being safe.
Speaker C:Have some fun with it.
Speaker C:But now that he's kind of ridden off into the sunset, I'd say probably I, you know, I watch John a lot.
Speaker C:I watch the 60 second gun review.
Speaker C:I always want to see if he's talking trash about my product and then I'm going to text him after that.
Speaker C:But yeah, I like that.
Speaker C:I like, you know, we don't have a lot of time and also, let's be honest, we've got the attention of goldfish now.
Speaker C:So 60 seconds of throwing me everything that's coming out there is something I definitely kind of religiously stay tuned to.
Speaker B:Now you're giving Patton.
Speaker B:It's going to get an ego.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker C:I don't think his head can get much bigger.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:It barely fits in that van of his as it is.
Speaker C:Hi, John.
Speaker B:Now that we did all the softballs, what is the next big innovation in our industry?
Speaker C:So I think, you know, you saw on the pistol side, you saw everything shrink, kind of like what we were talking about off, off camera.
Speaker C:And then you saw it kind of become more of a realistic, like it stayed slim, but it became more realistic.
Speaker C:Then you saw everything go comps, even our prime.
Speaker C:You saw, I think there's going to be more on finding that, that hybrid of all the bells and whistles of like what a staccato did with that super polished frame and how easy it was and you could air rack into things like this.
Speaker C:I think companies are going to have to put the everyday carry market into something that's going to be a little more, well, refined.
Speaker C:I think you're going to have to, I think there's, there's coming that you're looking at like staccato is trying to build down a everyday carry and then you've got things like Canik, which are, you know, doing stuff with flat triggers and ported comp barrels.
Speaker C:But I think the consumer doesn't have $2,500, $3,000 to spend on every gun they buy.
Speaker C:And, but they also want some of these really cool race car features.
Speaker C:It's kind of like what I call them.
Speaker C:And you got to find that middle.
Speaker C:And I think everybody's going to be forced to kind of meet in the middle.
Speaker C:The Rising Tide lists all ships and that's going to come with industrialization.
Speaker C:I think the industry is starting to become more industrialized and when you do that at a price and with the manufacturing and engineering technology that's now available, I think you're going to see some pretty Cool collaborations.
Speaker C:Not intentionally, but you're going to see some kind of.
Speaker C:Everybody's going to come and there's going to be some really cool feature sets available on guns at a price people can afford soon.
Speaker B:I'm excited for that.
Speaker B:Now let's go ahead and dive into the meat and potatoes of this podcast.
Speaker B:First off, Adam, for the folks who are now just listening to this, didn't watch episode two.
Speaker B:Shame on you.
Speaker B:You should have go ahead and just give your title and who you are and what you do for Canik.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I'm the vice president of business development and marketing for Canik usa.
Speaker C:We're based on a West Palm Beach, Florida.
Speaker C:For those that aren't familiar with Canik, we have become one of the largest striker fire pistol companies in the United States.
Speaker C:Originally out of Turkey, grew from not even in the top 10 to now in the top four.
Speaker C:And we are fortunate enough to now have been able to invest in a 162,000 square foot facility in West Palm where we're actually manufacturing, manufacturing the Canik Vette MC9 prime there.
Speaker C:And it's been a really exciting adventure to be a part of.
Speaker C:And yeah, man, it's, it's quite the journey.
Speaker C:And I'm not exactly sure where I'm going to be the next day or what I'm going to be doing, but I find if you're wearing a lot of hats that can't get rid of you as easy.
Speaker C:So, so yeah, I'm just going to keep going.
Speaker B:So let's, let's talk about the, the prime because we have one sitting here on the table in front of us.
Speaker B:This is my personal prime, which I love is my favorite carry gun.
Speaker B:And I know that sounds like I'm kissing Adam's butt, but I'm not because it is a great feature set.
Speaker B:You're coming out with a gun that has literally everything we talk.
Speaker B:You talked about that innovation.
Speaker B:So you've got the comp, you've got lightning cuts, great texturing, flared mag, well optics ready 17/1 night sights from the factory.
Speaker B:Sounds like I'm giving a review.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I was like, man, you're making my job easy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So what we talked about the, the micro and we also have the MC9 here, the Goa MC9, which is also.
Speaker B:Thank you for that.
Speaker B:That was a great collaboration between the both of us.
Speaker B:But what we're seeing this transition again from the very little gun to these kind of, I don't know what to call them because they're not, they're practical.
Speaker C:They're realistic, practical, you know.
Speaker C:So yeah, I mean it's kind of like I, I've never seen an industry that followed another industry as, as closely in terms of technological advancements in size as guns and cell phones.
Speaker C:So you remember for a while it was like blackberries, they were this big bulky thing, but they could do a lot if you think kind of that's what pistols were.
Speaker C:For a while they got big, they had this maximum capacity.
Speaker C:They had all these kind of cool features, but they were just clunky, you're not carrying it.
Speaker C:And then all of a sudden it went to like the flip phone and then it shrunk, you know, then it was let's see how small we can make a cell phone.
Speaker C:That's what happened with the firearms industry.
Speaker C:Like and some of the industry leaders I would credit to like companies like Springfield Armory with, you know what they did, and Sig with the 365.
Speaker C:They brought down this micro compact that wasn't even a thing, you know, subcompact was, was where you were at, that was the smallest gun.
Speaker C:And then this micro compact division came and everybody shrunk and we were a little bit behind it.
Speaker C:But what we did is we said, all right, what features does the MC9 need that they don't have?
Speaker C:And that was like you said, the ability to co witness the on an optic, having an optics ready, slide capacity, all these kind of.
Speaker C:So we came out with our MC9 a little bit later and at that time then it kind of shifted back.
Speaker C:Well, this is great, but it's not really practical.
Speaker C:And the practicality of it is you want it to fit as many people's hands as possible and to be something that not only do they can they become proficient in which you can become proficient, but they also enjoy shooting.
Speaker C:Because the more you enjoy shooting it, the more proficient you're going to be.
Speaker C:And that's when the reality came.
Speaker C:All right, listen, the width, that 1 inch width is kind of where everybody's trying to stay.
Speaker C:But let's increase capacity with making the grip a little longer.
Speaker C:We can put night sights on this.
Speaker C:We can do the optics ready, we can make it co witness the trigger is important here just if not more important when you're learning, when you need to put a sight on target and do it quickly and proficiently.
Speaker C:So that's what you saw.
Speaker C:You saw the industry kind of scale back to that.
Speaker C:And that's where the prime came in.
Speaker C:And we said, all right, let's look at doing some porting.
Speaker C:Let's look at doing the aftermarket stuff.
Speaker C:A lot of these people, this might be their first concealed carry gun as that becomes a much more popular area for people to have that entry into firearms ownership.
Speaker C:So we provided a G code holster.
Speaker C:We said it can be outside the waistband, inside the waistband, and it's also ambidextrous, three sizes of back strap so that it will fit anybody from your hand to my hand.
Speaker C:And that's kind of where we are.
Speaker C:And that's what a lot of the companies are doing now, is they're providing that value.
Speaker C:And Canik likes to look at it like, hey, we're going to continue to press that envelope and, and have a ton of value in the case.
Speaker C:And hopefully you're seeing that for some of the other manufacturers too.
Speaker C:Because the reality is, while we're all competitors, we're in this together.
Speaker C:And that's what you guys do such a good job of, is kind of incorporating the fact that we're all in this fight together.
Speaker C:So whether they're carrying my gun or a Taurus or anything like that, I want it to be something that works, that's dependable and ultimately can save your life in a situation if you need it.
Speaker A:One of the things that I love that you guys spend much so, so much time thinking through is that first time gun owner piece.
Speaker A:You know, I. I've talked multiple times on the podcast.
Speaker A:If you listened a lot.
Speaker A:I'm sorry to kind of rehearse old history, but I'll never forget going to my first concil carry class and watching this poor person absolutely shrivel when everything that they were telling, this is what you need to carry for the reasons that she was wanting to carry.
Speaker A:And her gun didn't fit any of the criteria because clearly no one had ever had those conversations with her before.
Speaker A:I love that you guys are thinking from the consumer standpoint.
Speaker A:How do we continue to build an on ramp so that people know day one, I'm ready to go.
Speaker A:And I think that you guys have been an industry standout in being that lifeline for people who may not know anything while still meeting every feature that a seasoned and lifetime gun owner would want to see as well.
Speaker C:Well, between you saying the feature sets, such expertise in you saying such wonderful things, I don't even understand why I'm here.
Speaker C:Like, this is brought to you by Canik usa.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:No, but it's, it's a compliment and it's something we've definitely accredited a lot of our success to.
Speaker C:The reality is this we've got 5 million new gun owners that came in during, you know, over the last couple years with a lot of the, you know, the panic that was in, in our country.
Speaker C:And let's be honest, there's, there's a lot of people that are worried right now with the current environment.
Speaker C:I mean, what you saw unfortunately happen in Utah last week is the reality is there, there's always going to be a need for good guy with gun.
Speaker C:And that's what we want to be.
Speaker C:We want to provide the good guy with the gun that they can be proud of and that we can be proud of putting in their hand.
Speaker B:I'm proud to have one.
Speaker B:So here, here's my question for you.
Speaker B:We've got two, definitely two different flavors of gun sitting in front of us.
Speaker B:When it comes to the prime, it seems like it's got everything done to it.
Speaker B:So the aftermarket kind of seems like it's kind of.
Speaker B:And we're seeing a lot of companies do this where everything is already on the gun and you're not having to spend extra money to get everything done.
Speaker B:Is that on purpose or just like, hey, we just want to make sure the customer got the best value for what they're paying for?
Speaker C:I think it's yes and yes, obviously as a business, you know, you don't stay in business very long if you're not selling things and making money.
Speaker C:It's a reality.
Speaker C:But at the same time, features and benefits are something that companies should provide to the consumer.
Speaker C:You know, gone are the days where a gun manufacturer tells the consumer what they want.
Speaker C:Now it should be the consumer telling the gun manufacturer what they want.
Speaker C:And that's in every business.
Speaker C:That's not just guns.
Speaker C:That's cars, that's restaurants, that's everything.
Speaker C:So yeah, so you have to provide that value.
Speaker C:Like you have to say, hey, we know that this is where the industry is going.
Speaker C:This is what the consumers ask for, the trends there.
Speaker C:So we're going to provide that straight out of the box.
Speaker C:And we're doing that.
Speaker C:You know, last year I hinted on some stuff, so I'll give you a little hint.
Speaker C:Now we're looking to have it shot show this year there's some very big aftermarket accessories for some very big companies that have kind of really, you know, jetted their way into the industry over the last couple years.
Speaker C:And we're working with them now to launch a new version similar to the prime next year that will have some of those pricey, aftermarket, performance enhancing accoutrements, if you will.
Speaker C:That will still come at a value that I think people are going to be shocked at.
Speaker C:So we're always going to continue to push the envelope.
Speaker C:We're very proud of the prime.
Speaker C:I very much appreciate you believing in it enough to carry it every day.
Speaker C:That is the ultimate compliment.
Speaker C:But we're going to find other things how we can make a good thing better.
Speaker C:And that's, that's Canik's commitment to growing and that's kind of superior.
Speaker C:Firearms is not superior.
Speaker C:If you're not growing, you're dying.
Speaker C:And we're going to continue to grow.
Speaker C:We're going to continue to push the envelope and hopefully everybody follows us now.
Speaker B:To stick on the prime.
Speaker B:This is your first USA made based gun.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:What is it like for a company that historically, and we'll go even back to century historically, have been an importer to now invest the money and time to bring everything into the United States and help with the economy down in Florida as well?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So there's two parts of that.
Speaker C:You know, obviously Canik has been a very big partner of ours.
Speaker C: nock and Century paired up in: Speaker C:And it's out of Turkey originally.
Speaker C:And, and the reality is this is there are some really bad examples of Turkish imports of firearms out there, and we all know it.
Speaker C:But then there's companies like Canik which are standalone, not just in Turkey, but in the world.
Speaker C:I mean, the level of technology they have there, the level of innovation, the level of pride they put into every product that goes out the door is, bar none, one of the most impressive things I've seen in any industry in my career.
Speaker C:And they do such a good job that that was no longer a barrier for a lot of consumers.
Speaker C:Oh, it's Turkish, I can't buy it.
Speaker C:They were like, man, Canik's doing something amazing.
Speaker C:And we're proud of this.
Speaker C:I think they might have even led the way for some other Turkish manufacturers to get credibility.
Speaker C:So for them to have grown enough to then be able to invest in new products and then to invest with Century Arms in Canik USA is such a testament to kind of where it's gone and where it's going.
Speaker C:Yeah, we have over 100 employees now down there in West Palm beach that are making the prime every day.
Speaker C:From CNC operators to quality control to front of the house accountants.
Speaker C:I mean, it's amazing.
Speaker C:And you walk in and there's pictures everywhere of the product, of the people they have.
Speaker C:It's really cool to see in the facility.
Speaker C:You also have the ambassadors that'll come over from Turkey and help, you know, train new products and stuff.
Speaker C:And they're all wearing these.
Speaker C:We have these Canik jerseys and pants and stuff that they wear every day.
Speaker C:And on the employees that are from the United States, they have an American flag on their sleeve.
Speaker C:And the Turkish ones are wearing the same uniform, but they have a Turkish flag on their.
Speaker C:And it's really cool.
Speaker C:You'll go back there and you'll see four guys working, and there's three American guys huddled around a Turkish guy.
Speaker C:And they're all in this kind of brotherhood of learning and innovating.
Speaker C:And it's no longer like Turkey versus America.
Speaker C:It's like Team Canik.
Speaker C:And it's really cool to see that and how this vision, this dream has brought us all together.
Speaker C:And then finally, the ultimate reality is we don't know what the future is going to hold for firearms manufacturing in the world.
Speaker C:And one of the easiest things that.
Speaker C:That politics could play to kind of impede on our Second Amendment right would be to ban the importation of firearms, which can be done with an executive order.
Speaker C:Stroke of a pen.
Speaker C:That's crazy to me.
Speaker C:But that's the reality.
Speaker C:That's one of the ones that could happen very quickly.
Speaker C:And so we knew we needed to have a strong presence in the United States in order to be able to continue with what our mission and our goal is.
Speaker C:And that's to provide one of the best firearms in the country to American citizens.
Speaker C:And now we can safely say we're going to continue to do that with our facility in West Palm.
Speaker B:That's exciting and I'm so happy for you guys.
Speaker B:And we've seen in the past where the USA arm of a.
Speaker B:Of an overseas company seems to have issues getting product or making product because the other arm doesn't want them to do it or make it.
Speaker B:You guys know who they are.
Speaker B:They hate customers.
Speaker B:Anyways, the pores.
Speaker B:But anyways, I love to hear the collaboration.
Speaker B:And that is something that really speaks for the Second Amendment community or.
Speaker B:Or the firearms community.
Speaker B:That isn't.
Speaker B:It is second.
Speaker B:The Second Amendment is a very truly American thing.
Speaker B:But to see the firearms community, both from overseas and from the US Coming together to build products, to make products for the US Market, for the US Consumer is.
Speaker B:I applaud you guys on that.
Speaker C:Thank you, brother.
Speaker B:While we're sitting here talking about other things that we applaud, we've got the Goa Canik MC9 in front of us.
Speaker B:This was a great collaboration, a great partnership working together on this.
Speaker B:From your point of view.
Speaker B:I mean, what do you.
Speaker B:How do you think this turned out?
Speaker B:I love the gun.
Speaker B:I want to get your.
Speaker C:So, yeah, so obviously MC9, one of our best selling guns we've ever had on the canning side.
Speaker C:We talked about it and kind of the evolution that's so much going it, you know, definitely is noticeable.
Speaker C:It is colorful to say the least.
Speaker C:To the point where we even had to run through some legal clear looks like the Nintendo gun.
Speaker C:You know, like we were like, oh God, we're in trouble, you know, but we were able to clear it, we were able to do it.
Speaker C:And, and what I like about it from the color side is gone are the days that it's only acceptable to have a black gun.
Speaker C:You know, this is still a hobby as much as it's right.
Speaker C:And people need to realize that it's okay if you want to have, you know, we've done Miami days and the Miami nights.
Speaker C:If you want to have something that makes you happy and that the colors and it expresses something like your support for goa, that's okay.
Speaker C:And that gun's gonna run just as well and it's gonna be just as important in a, in a tough situation and just as much fun on the range.
Speaker C:So it was really fun to create something to watch people when we were at goals last year come by and be like, oh, this is awesome.
Speaker C:I want this.
Speaker C:You know, we did 500 of them and it was such a cool collaboration to be a part of.
Speaker C:It was exciting and honestly that kind of really spurred Canik's and Sentry arms involvement and growth with GOA and then even obviously like goc.
Speaker C:You know, right now we're in the process.
Speaker C:We're giving away 25 guns.
Speaker C:I think they're giving the.
Speaker C:They're selecting the winners this week for Gun owners of California.
Speaker C:25 Canik MC9s actually, ironically that they're going to be giving away and they did a fundraiser to help obviously to continue the good fight in California, which we found.
Speaker C:We just launched Canik in California a couple April and we found out just how much they need Gun Owners of America and Gun Owners of California there.
Speaker C:From what we had to see.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Do you want to kind of go into the marketing campaign and all of that?
Speaker C:Yeah, we can.
Speaker C:We'll, you know, there's still some legal issues out there with it, but I don't know if our lawyer listens to the podcast, so it's okay.
Speaker C:And hopefully he doesn't, so.
Speaker C:Hi, Anthony.
Speaker C:But yeah, we decided we were going to come into California.
Speaker C:You know, they have the, the, the God fearing gun owning Americans that are in California.
Speaker C:While they might be behind a veil of ridiculousness, they still deserve to have quality guns at a price that they can afford.
Speaker C:So we wanted to come in.
Speaker C:So the first gun that was on the roster for us was the Canik Mete MC9.
Speaker C:And now we have the L& the LS as well.
Speaker C:But we launched a campaign and we, I wanted to go much more aggressive.
Speaker C:Anthony and team said you're going to slow it down a little bit.
Speaker C:But we launched, we worked with iHeartMedia, ironically the one of the largest multimedia conglomerates in the world.
Speaker C:We did a bunch of radio and digital podcast ads across the state.
Speaker C:And then we also put up 187 billboards across the state of California that says, can it comes to California?
Speaker C:Just put a big old MC9 right there on the billboard.
Speaker C:Put them everywhere from San Diego all the way up to San Francisco and Sacramento and every city in between.
Speaker C:Well, the city of Oakland decided that that wasn't okay.
Speaker C:And one of the greatest things about our country is that you don't necessarily have to agree with somebody, but as long as they're not hurting anybody, that's their right.
Speaker C:Oakland decided that wasn't the case.
Speaker C:So in the city of Oakland, there was actually a law that said not only do you have to have a special permit to sell guns, you have to have a special permit to advertise guns in Oakland and nothing else.
Speaker C:Not for any sort of narcotics, not for any sort of pornography, not for alcohol, not for any other restricted product line.
Speaker C:Only for guns do you have to have a special permit to advertise?
Speaker C:And they fought to the point of where the political pressure came in.
Speaker C:You know, councilmen were arguing it and they were talking about pressing charges against us, pressing charges against me.
Speaker C:And then they ended up pulling down the billboards in Oakland and pressured the billboard company enough that they pulled them down.
Speaker C:And you know, instantly Gun Owners of California and Gun Owners of America was like, hey, what do we need to do here?
Speaker C:How can we support to the point where actually I flew in, met with the team and gave a speech at the annual event in Sacramento, Gun Owners of California, about the fight and our time there and why we were going to continue to support it.
Speaker C:And you know, I got to have dinner with Sam and obviously we knew each other well before that, but sit down with him.
Speaker C:And that was the last time I broke bread with him, you know, before he obviously passed away.
Speaker C:I got to hug him at goals and talk to him For a little bit.
Speaker C:But to see the level of passion that were in those people inspired me to understand that just because the news might report that this is wrong and gun violence is the only thing that matters and this and all these kind of narratives that would make you think that people of California don't like guns.
Speaker C:There was hundreds, if not a thousand people in this room that were so passionate and so excited, that were literally tears in their eyes when they're talking about how important it is.
Speaker C:And politicians.
Speaker C:The district attorney for the local county came up to me and was in support.
Speaker C:And, you know, like, major politicians were actually fighting the good fight.
Speaker C:And so it was really exciting to see what started out so nasty ended up being, like, kind of the fuel that's going to continue to fire us up to support you guys.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And obviously in somebody's name, too, in Sam's name, We want to continue to fight the good fight.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Well, no one loved fighting behind enemy lines like Sam with a smile on.
Speaker C:His face, like the sweetest, sweetest destructive device you have ever seen in your entire life.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And, you know, this has been a difficult time for the Goa family and the firearms community.
Speaker A:I mean, you knew Sam really well.
Speaker A:So many people knew Sam.
Speaker A:It feels really weird for us.
Speaker C:I just got chills a little bit,.
Speaker A:Like, not being able to talk to him.
Speaker A:But the work that he spent his entire life dedicated to, for over 40 years, he was lobbying behind enemy lines.
Speaker A:That's not stopping.
Speaker A:And we're very thankful.
Speaker A:Rob Young just took over at GOC.
Speaker C:And is the executive another beautiful human, like, another beautiful.
Speaker C:I couldn't think of a better person that I know in the organization that is as.
Speaker C:Nobody's gonna fill Sam's shoes, and Rob knows that, and Rob thinks that, but he's a great ambassador and a great next step, and I think Sam would be excited to see that.
Speaker A:Yeah, I. I agree.
Speaker A:I mean, I think that, you know, we.
Speaker A:Gosh, I can't say this is very braggadocious, but I really do feel like we hire such quality humans because the fight is so important.
Speaker A:And Sam was the best ambassador, and we got to learn at the hands of a master for a very long time.
Speaker A:And I would have gladly taken 20, 30, 40 more years of that, but we don't know the day or the hour.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I think that you talked about the quality of people that.
Speaker C:That GOA surrounds themselves with.
Speaker C:And from the present party included, to a number of the individuals I've met, there's two things that stand out.
Speaker C:One, like you said character and resilience.
Speaker C:And both of those are really important when you're fighting this fight.
Speaker C:Because the reality is this is you're constantly demonized and villainized.
Speaker C:So you have to realize that that's just the strategy that people that don't actually have a real argument to make are going to make.
Speaker C:They're going to make you the villain.
Speaker C:And if you allow that to make you angry, you lose sight of what's important.
Speaker C:And that is the fundamental properties of what make this country great.
Speaker C:And the Second Amendment is such a big part of that.
Speaker C:So if you let them sucker you in and become angry, you're going to lose focus.
Speaker C:And you have people at Goa that stay the path and stay the faith.
Speaker C:And Sam was probably the pinnacle of that example.
Speaker C:And then secondly is the resilience.
Speaker C:And that is, like you just said, Sam invested his life's work into this.
Speaker C:And you look at it and you look at somebody like Rob.
Speaker C:You know, obviously Rob's story is so not the narrative that anti gunners want to use.
Speaker C:And that's that he was a victim of gun violence as a child.
Speaker C:As a child he was shot in a school shooting.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And then became a police officer and then actually stopped a school shooter.
Speaker C:Full circle.
Speaker C:As a police officer.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so you look at somebody, that resilience, that commitment to staying the course and something that you believed in, not being shaken by one person's actions of evil and understanding the importance of what you believe in.
Speaker C:And that is the Second Amendment is the key to.
Speaker C:I don't know if, honestly I don't know if we'll ever win the fight.
Speaker C:You know, I'm just being honest, like us.
Speaker C:I hope so.
Speaker C:But I don't know if we'll ever win the fight.
Speaker C:And it just.
Speaker C:We no longer have to have this argument.
Speaker C:But the, the, the, the only way we're going to keep the levels somewhere in a way that actually still we have our rights is to have people like you guys and Rob and Sam continuing to have a smile on their face, continue to go and be resilient in how they defend the Second Amendment and the owners of firearms in this country and do it with class and dignity.
Speaker C:And that's why, honestly, I think the gun owners of America, I think the way you do it sets you apart from some of the other organizations that are out there.
Speaker C:So now it's my turn to hype you guys.
Speaker B:Full circle.
Speaker C:Brought to you by Gunners of America.
Speaker C:But no, I mean it.
Speaker C:I genuinely do.
Speaker C:You guys are doing something very special.
Speaker C:And I think we need it now more than ever and we need it with compassion because screaming across the lines isn't going to do anything.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I agree with you and thank you so much for the compliment.
Speaker A:I mean I've not been here nearly as long as some people going into year seven but I'm still genuinely excited to go to work every day because I believe in the mission and that's how everyone feels at the organization.
Speaker A:And I think it's kind of like catching lightning in a bottle.
Speaker A:And right now we get to carry a heavier mantle with Sam's passing, but we are more invigorated to make him proud.
Speaker A:And we're proud of our country.
Speaker A:We're proud of the innovations coming from the firearms industry.
Speaker A:We are proud to be on every line that is necessary in protecting the second amendment.
Speaker A:From local municipalities to the state level, to the federal level, in the courts.
Speaker A:That's a big call to answer and it's really exciting to see so many people like Cannock and like you as an individual support, support the mission because there's so much work to do and I would love like you to see us work ourselves into retirement.
Speaker A:But until that day we're just going to keep, keep on, keeping on.
Speaker B:Well said from both parties.
Speaker C:I don't know what else big contribution sounds like.
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Speaker B:Well that leads into our next segment.
Speaker B:Even though we've already been spicy.
Speaker B:That is from the soapbox.
Speaker B:That's where we do our spiciest takes, talking about the government and everything like that.
Speaker B:So do you have a spicy take that you'd like to stand on your soapbox for there, Adam?
Speaker C:Well, spicy takes are dangerous when it comes to me.
Speaker C:My spicy take is this.
Speaker C:It's really relevant.
Speaker C:I don't know when this is going to air, but I think what I've seen in the last week in regards to am I allowed to talk?
Speaker C:I mean, Charlie Kirk spicy take is if you as a human being and then take it down a thousand feet as an American think it's okay to celebrate somebody's death because they believe differently than you, then there is a special place in hell for you that's as spicy as I am.
Speaker C:Like, I don't care if that's who that offends.
Speaker C:There's some politicians out there that I absolutely detest in this country.
Speaker C:I think they are evil.
Speaker C:Just being honest.
Speaker C:There's no way in a million years I would wish death upon them.
Speaker C:So that's the first part of it.
Speaker C:The second part is to.
Speaker C:Even more detestable than that is the way the media and people take things out of context to support an agenda.
Speaker C:And what you're seeing, like in.
Speaker C:In the aftermath of this atrocity that is his assassination, you're seeing them take sound bits like we're doing right here and showing half of it and then trying to destroy a man's legacy and a reputation by only telling partial points or to serve an agenda.
Speaker C:I challenge everybody before on both sides, before you make an opinion.
Speaker C:One of the most powerful things about the freedoms that we have in this country that are protected by the Second Amendment is your ability to make your own decision.
Speaker C:And if you're going to make your own decision, don't let an Instagram thread tell you what you believe.
Speaker C:Do your research.
Speaker C:Do your research on everything on both sides of the agenda.
Speaker C:You're allowed to not agree on everything Republican or everything Democrat.
Speaker C:You're allowed to be a Libertarian.
Speaker C:Hell, you're allowed to not vote if you don't want to.
Speaker C:That's what makes this country great.
Speaker C:But make your mind up on your own.
Speaker C:And I think that is what it is right now.
Speaker C:We're seeing an attack on people's minds right now.
Speaker C:And that's how they're trying to shift the narrative.
Speaker C:And the fact that they're trying to say, you know, things about, like, oh, Charlie said, you know, there's an acceptable level of gun violence and how ironic is it that he did?
Speaker C:It's not what he said.
Speaker C:What he said is let's be real, there's never gonna be zero gun violence in this country because there will always be bad guys with guns.
Speaker C:And as long as there's bad guys with guns, to take the guns out of good guys hands is irresponsible and unlogical.
Speaker C:Use the full quote if you're going to try to attack this man.
Speaker C:Post, post, you know, post his life.
Speaker C:Post humanist.
Speaker C:So that's my spicy take right now is, is what's happening in the world today.
Speaker C:And the catalyst that, that caused this is, is crazy.
Speaker B:I think Charlie put it best when he said that when we stop communicating and talking to each other, that's when violence starts.
Speaker B:And, and to take those quotes and as, as both of us are, are on multiple shows or on, on goa, that's always a fear that someone's going to take your quote and use it against you.
Speaker B:But listen to the full quote.
Speaker B:Listen to everything and make a, like you said, make up your own mind.
Speaker B:Because if there's so much out there, and you said it earlier as well, is that we are such a, a, a goldfish brain.
Speaker A:Quick.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Instant gratification.
Speaker B:Dopamine hit.
Speaker B:Don't go for the instant, go for the long term.
Speaker B:Learn and educate yourself and take the time to watch the full video or watch the full thing or do your own, do research.
Speaker B:Just take the time to do the research because even a tweet is so many letters and Instagram posts is so many, so much time.
Speaker B:Don't take the, the 30 or 60 second sound bite.
Speaker B:Go in and find the full thing and actually listen and then have a conversation.
Speaker C:Have a conversation.
Speaker C:It's okay to not agree.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker C:I guarantee you if the three of us spent the rest of the day together, there's gonna be at least one or two things we don't agree on.
Speaker C:And that's okay.
Speaker C:It's okay.
Speaker C:It's okay not to want to own a gun in this country.
Speaker C:It's okay.
Speaker C:That is your right.
Speaker C:But do the research, understand what it is, understand what an AR actually means.
Speaker C:Understand that it's not a hundred round magazine clip, you know, understand like if you're going to talk, talk responsive, talk informed or be willing if somebody's going to correct you, to understand, process and then digest that information.
Speaker C:And that's back to Sam.
Speaker C:That's what Sam did so well.
Speaker C:Sam was so knowledgeable, so passionate, but he always did it approachable and he would let Somebody argue with him, and then he would give his.
Speaker C:His thoughts on it and usually back it up with facts and data.
Speaker C:And then at the end of the day, if you don't agree, that's okay, but at least you were human enough and American enough to sit there and have a civil conversation.
Speaker C:We got to get back to that.
Speaker B:No, I. I couldn't agree.
Speaker B:Long gone are the days where we used to.
Speaker B:It was, I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me, but we're still friends.
Speaker B:Let's have a beer.
Speaker B:Now it's.
Speaker B:Now it's.
Speaker B:You said something on Facebook I don't like that we're no longer friends.
Speaker C:Canceled.
Speaker B:Canceled completely.
Speaker B:And we need to get back to that.
Speaker B:And I. I also want to touch on a point where it wasn't just five years ago or six years ago that we went through the largest shift in gun ownership in a very long time.
Speaker B:And we went from the shift from I don't want a gun or I don't need a gun.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, well, I need something to protect myself in.
Speaker C:Your neighbor that all of a sudden was the gun guy in the neighborhood.
Speaker C:What should I get?
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we saw this shift, and then it kind of plateaued.
Speaker B:And then, as any spike does with the industry, the industry went down.
Speaker B:But it seemed nobody learned anything from that.
Speaker B:Well said, it just, we.
Speaker B:We went from people going, well, I need to take this into my own hands.
Speaker B:And now, well, guns are bad again.
Speaker B: n what changed your mind from: Speaker C:Well said.
Speaker C:You know, I think it is unless it's directly in their face, unless that imminent danger is outside their door, then it's the whole mindset of this doesn't affect me directly.
Speaker C:And what people need to understand is it's better to have it, never need it, then need it and not have it, not have it.
Speaker C:And that's the reality.
Speaker C:This isn't a power play.
Speaker C:This isn't an intent to commit evil.
Speaker C:This is the great equalizer.
Speaker C:I mean, that's what it is.
Speaker C:You and I get into an argument, unfortunately, my size helps me to physically, potentially overpower you and control the situation.
Speaker C:What that does is the reality of the damage that I can cause.
Speaker C:Hopefully squashes the conflict.
Speaker C:And it never comes to that.
Speaker C:But if it is, and I'm intent on doing something, this gives you a chance to defend yourself.
Speaker C:And that's been from ages.
Speaker C:That was swords.
Speaker C:That was everything.
Speaker C:There's always got to be something that is the great equalizer.
Speaker C:And we've come to A point where we realize that a firearm is just that.
Speaker C:And I, I don't think anybody should be ashamed of that or scared of that.
Speaker C:It's a mentality, you know, it's a mind, it's a mental thing.
Speaker C: .: Speaker C:Honestly.
Speaker C:And I'm okay with that.
Speaker C:That's what makes this country great.
Speaker C:It's that segment of mental instability that is that people focus on to, to try to take away a right, an alien, inalienable right from the rest.
Speaker C:And we got to continue to fight for that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The biggest, and I think the scariest thing is, you know, we just witnessed, what was it two weeks ago, three weeks ago, when a, almost Vice president, current Senator Tim Kaine gets on the Senate and says that, oh no, no, no, there are no such thing as inalienable rights.
Speaker A:Your rights come from the government.
Speaker A:We decide what rights you have.
Speaker A:And if someone who thinks like that has the ability to convey that on the Senate floor in Senate records and there's no back and forth conversation of hey, hey, you may need to go back to 8th grade civics.
Speaker A:You may need to, you know, just, I don't know, read the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence or the Federalist Papers or literally any founding father, anything.
Speaker C:That this country was founded on as a whole.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:You know, like it's pretty, pretty easy for, for you to find the information.
Speaker A: g there going, am I living in: Speaker A:Is there a Ministry of Truth just changing stuff behind closed doors?
Speaker C:It's treasonous almost.
Speaker C:I mean, it really is.
Speaker A:It really is.
Speaker A:It gets to that point and it's vital that when people come into our fold that may disagree with us, that may have a revisionist history, that we educate them in a way and we push back, demand that the facts come to light, that there's sunlight that disinfects all of the craziness that is happening, that's how we preserve the Constitution.
Speaker A:That's how we preserve our rights.
Speaker A:If you look at so much of our court cases are founded on the text, history and tradition.
Speaker A:When we're looking from a Second Amendment preservation standpoint, we can't let comments like that go unanswered.
Speaker A:We have to insist on the Education being correct, because anybody can reinvent something.
Speaker A:But we stand on principle.
Speaker C:Predefined principle.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Like, this is.
Speaker C:This isn't your opinion.
Speaker C:This isn't John's thought.
Speaker C:This isn't what Sam said, who.
Speaker C:I think we'd like this.
Speaker C:This is what, this is what our country was founded on.
Speaker C:This is what our men and women have died for defending.
Speaker C:And it's proven that these ways of thinking, these ways of believing have the opportunity to make your country the greatest country in the world.
Speaker C:We've thrived on these as our core foundations.
Speaker C:So why in any insanity would we ever go away from things that have been proven to be the pillars of an amazing society?
Speaker B:I mean, to add something in.
Speaker B:I don't know if you guys saw the news in England where, you know, everybody's seen that England is, Is going after people for the thought police for saying stuff.
Speaker B:They just.
Speaker B:Big protest.
Speaker B:Did you see that?
Speaker B:All the.
Speaker B:Yeah, because again, the same thing.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:I don't know their constitution or their, Their rights as well as ours, but again, they're standing up for their rights.
Speaker B:And, and just from him saying that, what is.
Speaker B:That's just telling me that the, the left is leaning towards taking away our fundamental rights and attacking us on all levels for, for their own personal gain.
Speaker C:Levels of patriotism were being attacked.
Speaker C:Flying a flag, flying your country's flag.
Speaker C:And we saw that during the last election.
Speaker C:Unfortunately, people were saying they were triggered by the American flag.
Speaker C:Think about this.
Speaker C:There was government enforcement to certain levels, not extremities.
Speaker C:I can't speak to it, same as you in England, about people flying the flag, the country's flag.
Speaker C:You take away somebody's ability to have patriotism, like, what else is left then?
Speaker C:You're taking away guns, you're taking away freedom of speech.
Speaker C:You're taking away the ability to have your own thoughts.
Speaker C:I mean, it really is.
Speaker C:I think it's very important that we realize there's a massive difference in terms of freedom of speech.
Speaker C:Last little spicy take of.
Speaker C:I think you're allowed to have an opinion on anything.
Speaker C:I think when your opinion celebrates violence and crime, I think that's when you go over a line.
Speaker C:I think if you have a religious disbelief or a fundamental core belief about something that is how you live your life or I, I think it's okay to speak that up, even if I don't agree with you.
Speaker C:I think when you celebrate the idea that you were violated, whether it's, you know, to the point of your life taken or you're.
Speaker C:Or you're harmed in any way.
Speaker C:When I celebrate that, and I'm a proponent of that, that's when I think people don't understand the difference.
Speaker C:Oh, well, yeah, all these people are getting fired because they celebrated.
Speaker C:Charlie Kirk, you're not getting fired because you, you voiced an opinion.
Speaker C:You're getting fired because a privately owned company says you are an advocate of crime.
Speaker C:And we do not morally align with that.
Speaker A:Well, I think that this gets into a much larger conversation.
Speaker C:Seven more hours of podcast for that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I guess to kind of give the Cliff Notes on my takes and I'll try to, like, I don't know, have a stopwatch or something.
Speaker A:I think there's a couple of things.
Speaker A:One, actions still have consequences regardless.
Speaker A:And that doesn't matter.
Speaker A:If it's the Second Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, the First Amendment, it doesn't matter.
Speaker A:Actions have consequences.
Speaker A:That's reality.
Speaker A:Beyond actions having consequences, not all speech is free.
Speaker A:Speech.
Speaker A:For example, defamation, fraud, those things are not protected because they.
Speaker A:They cause significant harm and are criminal.
Speaker C:They're a catalyst.
Speaker A:The same way that, you know, if you are.
Speaker A:If you're a violent criminal, you don't have a Second Amendment right.
Speaker A:There.
Speaker A:There are limitations.
Speaker A:And while there.
Speaker A:There's definitely different states and governments that, that take things to extreme, we can all agree that there are certain caveats where not all speech is.
Speaker A:Is protected speech.
Speaker B:You're going into the.
Speaker B:The yelling fire in a crowded theater theory.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or doxing someone's home address.
Speaker A:Like there.
Speaker A:There are certain things that we can just all agree as a polite society are unacceptable.
Speaker C:Did you know the difference?
Speaker C:I just found this out the other day.
Speaker C:A friend of mine, she's the district attorney in West Palm Beach, Florida, and we were out hitting some golf balls, and she explained.
Speaker C:Do you know the difference between assault and battery?
Speaker C:I didn't know this.
Speaker C:So battery is.
Speaker C:If I physically put my hands on you and cause them.
Speaker C:Assault is an intent.
Speaker C:If I tell you, I'm going to punch you in the face, that's assault.
Speaker C:I did not know that, because at that point, you've implied violence.
Speaker C:You've implied violence.
Speaker C:You've made a threat that is not protected.
Speaker C:So if you're out there saying, I'm celebrating the death of this man, you're celebrating violence.
Speaker C:You're on that gray area of what are you.
Speaker C:What are your intent here?
Speaker C:So, yeah, I think it's really interesting.
Speaker C:I think it's.
Speaker C:I think people are overly entitled to create chaos when we should be overly passionate to create a sense of community.
Speaker B:Again, I couldn't have said it better.
Speaker B:We as a community need to come together and just have conversations and talk and.
Speaker B:And just be together.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't know when the cultural shift happened, but I remember in the, when growing up in the 90s that we would.
Speaker B:You'd have block parties and you get together as a community and hang out and you do stuff.
Speaker B:And now I don't.
Speaker B:I know one of my neighbors, social media, man.
Speaker C:I think it's social.
Speaker C:That's when the shift happens.
Speaker C:Happened.
Speaker C:In my opinion, you look at it, it was.
Speaker C:Gone are the days of the only way you found out what your neighbor was doing is you met him in their yard.
Speaker C:Now you add them on Facebook, you watch them, you resent them because everything looks like smiles or that's like you don't feel like you have to have interaction to know who people are.
Speaker C:You think social media is going to tell you who they are?
Speaker C:That's my opinion.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And you know what?
Speaker C:I'll be on Instagram in 20 minutes.
Speaker C:I'm so.
Speaker C:I'm not trying to be a hypocrite of it.
Speaker C:I'm just saying our society has changed.
Speaker A:No, I mean, I agree.
Speaker A:Everything seems curated.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I think that that's another reason why it's important for us to protect the community of the Second Amendment.
Speaker A:Because I feel like we're one of the last few communities that that involvement happens at a range.
Speaker A:Like you're actually interacting with people when you're getting training.
Speaker A:90% Of the time, I hope more than 90% of the time, it's not an online video walking you through it, it's face to face interaction.
Speaker A:And I think that is one of the reasons why when something like Covid happens that disrupts the space firearms cells spiked so much.
Speaker A:It's because one, we were essential and rightfully so.
Speaker A:But two, when people are scared and they didn't know who to turn to and every other area was blocked off, the gun store became that one quote unquote safe space for community, for interaction, for training, where you were able to feel a part of something and feel empowered, feel in control of the ability to protect yourself.
Speaker C:But all the chaos surrounds you, you know, yeah, you can at least write your ship it.
Speaker C:Look at us.
Speaker C:We brought it back.
Speaker C:We went on a tangent there and brought it back.
Speaker C:You know, one more thing to the social media side.
Speaker C:As gun owners, as people that are passionate about the second Amendment, I think it is our responsibility as a company.
Speaker C:We even do this, if you look at our posts, engage, engage these people, but don't take the bait.
Speaker C:Do it like Sam did.
Speaker C:Do it with class, do it with resilience and stick to the facts.
Speaker C:And you know, like right now with all, like you're seeing all these posts online that are relevant with what you're seeing.
Speaker C:When you see a school shooting, when you see, and these people, you know, they want to, they're passionate.
Speaker C:Some of them aren't really, they're not looking to take your guns.
Speaker C:They just don't know what the answer is.
Speaker C:So they're going to make a statement because like you said, like we even another part of our conversation, they have that goldfish interpretation.
Speaker C:They saw a 30 second soundbite on something.
Speaker C:They're passionate, they're desperate for these problems to stop.
Speaker C:So they have to do something, they have to post something.
Speaker C:You know, we need more gun, we need more gun regulation in this country.
Speaker C:Have a conversation with them, talk to them, don't get angry.
Speaker C:And if somebody else comes into the comment section and starts egging you on, don't engage them.
Speaker C:Focus on who you're trying to talk to and understand that you might not convince them to be a gun owner, but offer them, hey, you know what, come to the range with me, let's go check it out, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker C:And at the end of the day, if you don't like shooting and you still don't think it, I'll still buy you lunch and we'll drop it and we'll talk about something.
Speaker C:But engaging with our neighbors, labor doing it in a positive manner.
Speaker C:Understanding that sensationalism is the name of the game now and, and not necessarily being mad at them for making an initial statement, but being compassionate towards them and being a lot of the time it's probably coming from a good place.
Speaker C:They're desperate, they don't understand.
Speaker C:Be that light, be that sunshine that disinfects, be that ambassador and honestly continue to fight the good fight.
Speaker B:I couldn't have said it any better.
Speaker C:I don't know how we brought it all back together, but we did.
Speaker C:We did.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So I was like, we're be professionals guys.
Speaker C:But we're passionate about this.
Speaker C:So it is easy to go off on a tangent, but the only way, that's what they want.
Speaker C:That's what people that are trying to take our rights away.
Speaker C:And that's why organizations like Gun Owners of America where you're so focused every day for the last seven years you got up and were excited to go to work, but Your work wasn't, you're going to go make hamburgers, and the next week it was going to be fishing lures.
Speaker C:Your work every day is to fight for the rights of Americans to continue to own and operate firearms in this country.
Speaker C:And we need organizations like you, and we need that focus intentionally, internally, or we're going to lose the fight.
Speaker C:And we can't.
Speaker A:Well, I think to your point of, you know, Americans looking for somebody to look to, even outside of just the gun orgs in general, one of the ways that they.
Speaker A:The line of attack is they view the Second Amendment community as a monolith.
Speaker A:We're all the same.
Speaker A:We've heard the mantra, the firearms industry is just old white guys and all of these various aspects.
Speaker A:But the truth is that's not the case.
Speaker A:It hasn't been the case.
Speaker A:And we're seeing the trends continue to go with more female gun ownership, more minority gun ownership.
Speaker A:And that means that we have to engage in different ways.
Speaker A:And it also means that we as an organization and as a community have to ensure that that gun store and that range become a sacred space and remain a sacred space where everybody is welcome and where we can be true ambassadors for the Second Amendment, regardless of any type or pressure that the.
Speaker A:The media and social media wants to tell us is.
Speaker A:Is behind that counter.
Speaker C:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker C:But inclusion, really, inclusion here is what it.
Speaker C:It's a community.
Speaker C:And yeah, I.
Speaker C:Again, what you've been saying, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Speaker C:It's about realizing we're all in this together.
Speaker B:I just want to know where they're making hamburgers and fishing lures at the same time.
Speaker C:I'm sorry, all that.
Speaker C:That could be retained.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:That's why we put you in the middle.
Speaker C:We put you in the middle to keep you from bumping your head too much.
Speaker C:Like, we're just proud.
Speaker C:He didn't even have to wear his helmet today.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker C:It's like a make a wish for you.
Speaker C:This is a big deal for John.
Speaker B:It really is.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:No, I.
Speaker B:Sorry for my adhd.
Speaker C:I also have no idea where the hamburger is.
Speaker C:I think that fifth cup of coffee just kicks in and squirrel just sounds dangerous.
Speaker C:Hey, God forbid they accidentally put the fishing lure between two loaves of bread.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Sounds like a lawsuit.
Speaker C:Sorry, Anthony.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Anyways, I needed a laugh for a second.
Speaker B:No, I. I couldn't have said it better.
Speaker C:Yourself back on track.
Speaker B:Yeah, myself.
Speaker A:We should have a counter in the corner.
Speaker A:For how many.
Speaker C:It's a drinking Game for the listeners.
Speaker C:There's seven shots of whiskey in at this point.
Speaker C:Listen, sometimes you can't say it better yourself.
Speaker B:Can't say it better yourself.
Speaker B:Sometimes you just don't know what else to say.
Speaker B:It just comes out.
Speaker B:Anywho, let's keep.
Speaker B:No, I think I don't know what.
Speaker C:To think anyone about it myself, you know, so.
Speaker C:All right, so you gave me some five questions.
Speaker C:You gave me a chance to go on a tirade.
Speaker C:We've talked about Canik.
Speaker C:Is there anything on a personal level or anything that you guys want to know about Canik or sentry that I between last time I was here and this time?
Speaker C:Nothing off.
Speaker C:Nothing off limits.
Speaker C:What do you want to know?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:We already hinted at something that we're not going to ram at home.
Speaker B:But there's my.
Speaker C:Couldn't set it better.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's my, my pun for the day.
Speaker B:If you haven't caught on.
Speaker B:That's what I did last time, too.
Speaker C:Easter eggs.
Speaker B:Easter eggs.
Speaker B:What does the future hold from your guys point of view with the current administration pushing on the tariffs?
Speaker C:That's me a little choked up.
Speaker C:The tariffs have been a hard situation.
Speaker C:You know, I don't think people understand from our competitors to us to kind of the industry as a whole, the margins on firearms are actually not large accessories.
Speaker C:There's a little more margins, kind of like, like again like cell phones people.
Speaker C:The companies don't make a ton of money on cell phones.
Speaker C:Companies don't make a ton of money on guns.
Speaker C:If you want to buy a holster, there's obviously more margin in soft goods, things like that.
Speaker C:So when you have something like, for instance, Turkey 15 tariff, that tariff eats the margin.
Speaker C:So you're also silking at a time where there's a lot of economic uncertainty in this country.
Speaker C:So now people are a lot more price sensitive in terms of anything they're purchasing, especially a gun.
Speaker C:So how do we find that middle line?
Speaker C:You can't go up in price because then you price yourself out of the consideration of the new product and you can't go down in price because there's no margin left.
Speaker C:So it's been tough.
Speaker C:You know, I have a theory.
Speaker C:I think I'll give it a first take.
Speaker C:This is a big one.
Speaker C:I think it'd be a very interesting dynamic if Trump utilized what he's doing with the tariffs to get trade better for the United States around the world.
Speaker C:Got that ready?
Speaker C:Got that done.
Speaker C:And then has been collecting these tariff money, gets the feds to lower the interest rate, which we need desperately.
Speaker C:And then next year gave some of the tariff money back, reinvested that money back to the businesses as refunds, which then you'd see any large cash flow, which then you see.
Speaker C:Firearms companies have the ability to invest to manufacture new products, innovation, you know, tooling more jobs, things like that.
Speaker C:If something like completely speculative.
Speaker C:But I can see him.
Speaker C:He's the kind of guy that would pull some stuff like that and you know, I told you so, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:I'm gonna do the best, greatest tariff refund in the history of the world.
Speaker C:I suck at Trump in person, but I said bestest, greatest.
Speaker C:So you knew where I was going with it.
Speaker C:But I can see something like that happening.
Speaker C:If that, that'd be a windfall of opportunity for our industry and for industries across the board.
Speaker C:If something like that were to happen, it'd be magical.
Speaker C:If it doesn't happen, the tariffs don't go away.
Speaker C:It's gonna be tough.
Speaker C:I'm speaking really candidly because you know, we want to and not just the gun industry.
Speaker C:I mean in water bottles, in furniture, in gas, there's going to.
Speaker C:There has to be a point where enough's enough.
Speaker C:So I'm very curious to see what happens.
Speaker C:The tariffs have been tough.
Speaker C:We're continuing to fight or finding ways to streamline to industrialize to bring down cost.
Speaker C:That's what's nice about having Kenneth USA now the prime is obviously not affected by the tariff of.
Speaker C:But yeah, I think it's tough for everybody.
Speaker C:I think there's price increases happening right now, but it's just the reality of the world we're in.
Speaker C:There has to be corrections and this is one of them.
Speaker C:Unfortunately, we're all kind of feeling the effects of it.
Speaker B:My next question, the zero dollar tax stamp.
Speaker B:Will we see more NFA items coming from Century?
Speaker C:That's a man, that's a great question.
Speaker C:Yeah, man, that was a really good question.
Speaker C:I will say this.
Speaker C:Canik and US Palm, which are both companies on the umbrella, are keeping a new product launch very, very quiet right now.
Speaker C:But in the next couple months there's going to be some big releases on some very quiet products.
Speaker C:So that's going to happen.
Speaker C:Also we've got some other very unique products that we'll be launching next year at Shot show as well on the Century in the US Palm side that.
Speaker B:Are.
Speaker C:Going to be filling or stepping into probably the largest firearms category that's out there.
Speaker B:You know, can I throw in a request?
Speaker B:I know you could bring it.
Speaker C:Let's Go.
Speaker C:I open this up.
Speaker B:We know that you do the SD with the fake can.
Speaker B:That is a request.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Two Stamper.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Don't have to confirm.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker C:It would be remiss of us not to if we're trying to keep things quiet.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:So yeah, so there's a lot of cool stuff there.
Speaker C:It's, we'd be dumb not to.
Speaker C:And with the level of innovation that Canik brings, there's gonna be some really cool opportunities there.
Speaker C:And with the level of kind of what the US Palm brand was created back Brandon and those guys back in Arizona years ago, the passion that they had is finally coming to fruition with some cool innovations that were coming out there that'll really stay true to that edgy kind of grunt style product lines that we think are going to be very well received by the US market.
Speaker C:And yeah, yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be cool to see products of ours that are competing against some of the biggest names in the industry on probably other, outside of handguns on the bestselling platform in the industry.
Speaker B:And then one more century side.
Speaker B:Do you think as of right now the way the, the market is that surplus is, is done?
Speaker C:No, I think it's more unique now.
Speaker C:I think it's harder to find.
Speaker C:I think if you, if there is an opportunity as a consumer, if you've always wanted this Mosin Nagant or something like this or this, whatever the, whatever your, you know, the star pistol, whatever it may be, that was something that you've always thought was cool.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:I think if you see it and you can afford it, buy it now because I think it's getting, it's shrinking.
Speaker C:But it's not dead.
Speaker C:It's not dead.
Speaker C:We just found some cool stuff.
Speaker C:I mean obviously we brought in, you know, 64,000 G3 G3 rifles that we can run into the CA3.
Speaker C:Those were amazing.
Speaker C:That was a cool thing.
Speaker C:It was a very part of a very big part of heritage and history of, you know, military history.
Speaker C:We've got some other really cool stuff that's about to come in.
Speaker C:It's just harder and harder to find where Century Arms was like the leader in that for so long.
Speaker C:They're still out there.
Speaker C:We got teams all over the world scouring the world still.
Speaker C:But it's not like you just open a warehouse store and there's a bunch of stuff anymore like you're, you're digging through things to find it.
Speaker C:So if you, if you are passionate about it and you see something you Want and you can afford it, get it.
Speaker C:No, it's not gone.
Speaker C:There's still hope.
Speaker C:But it's definitely not going to be just every day out there, you know, pumping out, you know, thousand thousands of AKs out of a barrel for $50 a piece anymore.
Speaker C:Gone are those days, if that makes sense.
Speaker B:No, that makes sense.
Speaker B:And I've heard from other people that the.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:It's more unique stuff or I saw some French pistols have hit the market recently and some things like that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Well, you guys already done.
Speaker B:You've done the MP5 or this?
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean that, that is an MP5, you're allowed to say.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker C:And it's not only as an MP5, the AP5 is the only roller delay blowback firearm in the world manufactured in a military facility, MK in Turkey, that is actually licensed by HK on original tooling, original technical data package, original metallurgy, everything else.
Speaker C:So it is an MP5.
Speaker B:And then you did the one in 556 which I can't remember the name of.
Speaker C:The 53.
Speaker B:The 53?
Speaker C:Yeah, the AP53.
Speaker C:We have the 308, which is the AP51.
Speaker C:We've also got.
Speaker C:We did the SD and we've also got.
Speaker C:We've just launched some with the old, the old naval handguards, the Navy handguards.
Speaker C:So those are pretty cool too.
Speaker C:You know the.
Speaker C:And we're.
Speaker C:We've got some cool new stuff working with MK currently that hopefully we'll have some of it at Shacho as well.
Speaker C:So we're going to continue to bring some of these iconic make platforms to light at an approachable price.
Speaker C:But that's not surplus.
Speaker C:It's just kind of like retro builds or however you want to call it.
Speaker C:But yeah, those are doing.
Speaker C:And why you got something else in mind that you want?
Speaker B:No, not from that side.
Speaker C:I want an MP7.
Speaker B:I do want it.
Speaker C:I want an MP7.
Speaker C:That's all I and I.
Speaker C:Everywhere I go in the world, I'm like, they're like, can we build you?
Speaker C:They're like, yes, MP7.
Speaker C:They're like, oh, just make it look like I want an MP7.
Speaker C:So that's my dream guys gun.
Speaker C:I've got my.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:I own for you all before we're done.
Speaker C:Dream guns like the, the dream gun that you still want.
Speaker C:Dream gun that you own.
Speaker B:Oh, shoot.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Yeah, rapid fire.
Speaker C:Okay, y' all want to play now?
Speaker B:Playing Dream gun that I still want because I'm a kid of the 90s.
Speaker B:I want a P90 I have.
Speaker C:That's my dream gun that I own.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I need to.
Speaker B:I need to actually go buy one dream gun that I want is.
Speaker B:I would like.
Speaker B:And I guess this is a batch of guns.
Speaker B:It's not one, but a batch of guns.
Speaker C:Spoken like every true gun, right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I would like somebody to come out with because retro and.
Speaker B:And historic stuff is hot right now.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:I would like to kind of twofold.
Speaker B:I'd like somebody to come out with either some like a Sten gun or some of like a grease gun or grease.
Speaker C:Gotta be cool.
Speaker B:Grease gun would be dope.
Speaker B:M1 Grant.
Speaker B:Anything like a Luger, anything like that would be cool because it's just different.
Speaker B:And then I would like to also see somebody do a modernized Browning high power.
Speaker B:That's not the F1N1 because that doesn't count because that's not modernized.
Speaker B:It's not truly a Browning high power.
Speaker B:And I will die in that hill.
Speaker B:But I want like a optics ready.
Speaker B:And I know there's optics ready, high power.
Speaker B:Optics ready.
Speaker B:Bigger beaver tail tack rail, great trigger.
Speaker B:High power.
Speaker B:Because I'm a high power nerd.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker C:What about you?
Speaker A:Okay, so I'm not nearly as cool as y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:I. I own actually very few firearms, so I'm.
Speaker A:I'm the outlier because I've worked in a nonprofit my entire career, so I am the poors.
Speaker A:So my dream gun is a Barrett 50 cal.
Speaker C:That's a good one.
Speaker C:I'm not mad at that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think that there's something.
Speaker A:First of all, I think it's really cool.
Speaker A:Secondly, I think there's something comical about the gun being taller than me.
Speaker A:And it is significantly, when she shoots.
Speaker C:It, she actually goes farther than a bullet in the opposite direction.
Speaker B:She did shoot it.
Speaker B:I have video proof of this.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:She shot Mr. Big Kids Barrett in Tennessee.
Speaker A:There's a picture.
Speaker B:There's a picture.
Speaker A:There's a picture of me holding it.
Speaker A:And it's like.
Speaker A:It's comical.
Speaker C:That's awesome.
Speaker A:And I don't know, there's something about that in my height that I just.
Speaker A:It just endears me to it.
Speaker A:And then my dream gun that I now own is actually a family heirloom.
Speaker C:What is it?
Speaker A:And it's my grandfather's Colt revolver.
Speaker A:And so that will always stay at the top of my list.
Speaker A:I don't see anything ever beating that out.
Speaker C:Well, yeah, that's.
Speaker C:You want to reply to that?
Speaker C:What would you say there?
Speaker C:That sounds, you know, what you need to say.
Speaker C:Say it, John.
Speaker B:I Couldn't see it better myself.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:Mine would be, obviously I have my P90.
Speaker C:It's my favorite that I own.
Speaker C:And outside of the MP7, the one I want is actually kind of as a throwback too, so.
Speaker C:And the person that I know that owns the most of them is Jamin from Palmetto State Armory.
Speaker C:I want a Liberator.
Speaker C:Have you ever seen the Liberator?
Speaker C:Little stamped one and it was actually made by, I think it was made like Ford Motor Company.
Speaker C:The same gm.
Speaker C:Gm.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker C:And they also did the grease gun.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was the stamped metal.
Speaker C:But you know the whole thing with the Liberator.
Speaker C:They dropped them over Nazi, Nazi occupied Germany and the other places.
Speaker C:And it was an opportunity for the equalizer.
Speaker C:And it was, you know, the little box with the pamphlet said, you know, take back your country.
Speaker C:You know, here's three rounds of.45.
Speaker C:Here's how you load it.
Speaker C:Protect yourself and like don't be a victim.
Speaker C:And I just love that story.
Speaker C:I love the thought of preaches to everything.
Speaker C:Nobody wanted war, nobody wanted violence.
Speaker C:But when backed into a corner and the wolves are wolves are there.
Speaker C:The only thing that's going to keep them at bay is if you have the ability to equalize it and deliberate yourself.
Speaker C:And I just love that gun.
Speaker C:I love the story behind it.
Speaker C:And like I want to.
Speaker C:I, I gotta have one.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm gonna pressure Jamin into giving me one or I'm gonna steal one from him.
Speaker C:I don't know yet.
Speaker C:But I think I just, I think I just confessed to crime.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So sorry Anthony.
Speaker C:So, but no, I, I, that's, that's my dream gun.
Speaker B:That is such an odd but cool dream gun.
Speaker B:The Liberator is probably the worst gun you could ever own.
Speaker B:Also the cool.
Speaker B:No rifling.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker B:You had to.
Speaker B:You had a rod that came with it to punch the shell out.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:The whole idea was to walk up behind a Nazi and take their stuff.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:To eliminate the threat and take their stuff.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:And they didn't.
Speaker B:They dropped like thousands of them.
Speaker B:But nobody has any confirmed.
Speaker C:Jam has like five of them.
Speaker B:How did he get five?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I've seen one at a gun show cuz.
Speaker B:Well, let me go back.
Speaker B:I saw one at a gun show.
Speaker B:Was five grand.
Speaker B:I was on we like shooting with Sean and they do gun gunfights on their show where we Gun broker.
Speaker B:There was one on Gun Broker.
Speaker B:I was like this thing's five grand.
Speaker B: I'm like, this is it sold for: Speaker C: nk I would have bought it for: Speaker B: I would have bought it for: Speaker B:If it's.
Speaker B:If I saw.
Speaker B:I was like, there's no way.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Nick was like, yeah.
Speaker B:I'm like, no.
Speaker B:The last time I saw one, it was five.
Speaker C:Because show prices can give a little ridiculous.
Speaker B:But there's.
Speaker B:There's not.
Speaker B:They made a ton of them.
Speaker C:Them.
Speaker B:But very few survived because they just took them and scrapped them.
Speaker B:They were like, oh, nobody wants this.
Speaker B:This was all it is.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know if I'd want to shoot it.
Speaker C:I think it would make me a little nervous to shoot this.
Speaker C:Pot metal stamped.
Speaker B:You know who shot one?
Speaker B:Keith Ford.
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Keith Ford had.
Speaker B:Because he works for Rock Island Auction now.
Speaker B:He shot one.
Speaker B:He has a video of it.
Speaker B:And I asked him.
Speaker B:I'm like, how does it shoot?
Speaker B:He goes, it is the worst shooting thing I've ever shot.
Speaker C:Probably heard.
Speaker C:Hurt.
Speaker B:It hurts.
Speaker B:It's like, do you remember the company that did this?
Speaker B:The 762 by 39, the little pistols thing?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It was an AKA I do remember that.
Speaker B:That was awful to shoot.
Speaker C:You shot that?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I shot it once and never wanted to shoot it again.
Speaker B:It's the same thing.
Speaker C:Have you shot the like, the 50 cal pistol that everybody does?
Speaker C:Like, they put the.50 cal rifle around in it and it's like.
Speaker C:I see them at like these events, but it's like basically just like a little tube and.
Speaker C:And I'm like, I'm good.
Speaker C:I think I'm good on that.
Speaker B:I didn't even.
Speaker B:I went to go, that's what.
Speaker C:I'm gonna get you.
Speaker C:I'm gonna get you.
Speaker C:That's a single shot too.
Speaker C:That's definitely protecting people from doing just that.
Speaker B:I went to.
Speaker A:I'd be like.
Speaker A:Elon would be like, did we launch a rocket?
Speaker B:Gold Range day.
Speaker B:I went to the Bond Arms booth to go shoot the 45 70.
Speaker B:And it was unfortunately broken when I went to go shoot it.
Speaker B:But they have a 45 70.
Speaker B:Single shot Derringer.
Speaker C:Jesus.
Speaker B:And people were walking by and I ran into somebody and I'm like, you're bleeding.
Speaker B: hey're like, Yeah, I shot the: Speaker B:Just hammer bite to the back.
Speaker C:Oh my goodness, the thing.
Speaker B:And just cut their hand open.
Speaker B:It's a great gun, Gordon.
Speaker B:You're great.
Speaker C:But yes, it's definitely a novelty.
Speaker C:It's enough as it is.
Speaker C:A novelty, but.
Speaker C:So I'm a liberator.
Speaker C:Same thing.
Speaker C:I want it for the history of it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So on that note, there's something.
Speaker A:Sorry, I want to make this one comment.
Speaker A:I think that there is something really awesome about people wanting these legacy guns and having a desire to preserve those.
Speaker A:That history.
Speaker A:Because if we.
Speaker A:If we lose the history, it.
Speaker A:We're.
Speaker A:We're in such a bad shape as a country and as a society.
Speaker C:What is the old line?
Speaker C:If, you know, those who forget history are damned to repeat it.
Speaker B:On that note, Century Arms will be coming out with all these things at some point.
Speaker B:Adam.
Speaker C:Sorry, Anthony.
Speaker B:I couldn't have said it better myself.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker C:Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Speaker C:We just hit 25 quotes.
Speaker B:Please do NOT edit an encounter on this episode.
Speaker B:Please.
Speaker C:Oh, that'd be so good.
Speaker A:I'll pay extra.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Out of my own money.
Speaker C:Yeah, great.
Speaker B:So, Adam, where can people find you all that stuff?
Speaker C:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:So, obviously, we have all the social platforms.
Speaker C:Canik USA, canikusa.com, centuryarms.com, uspalm.com and then the respective social media platforms for that.
Speaker C:If you need anything, please feel free to reach out to us directly.
Speaker C:We've got a team that's always there for.
Speaker C:If you have any questions.
Speaker C:If you see me out, please feel free to come up and say hi.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:Yeah, just like, if I could leave people with anything to kind of remember us by, it wouldn't be anything because, you know, John already said it better himself, so.
Speaker B:Well, it does help that you are one of my favorite human beings.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We had a great time hanging out at Chacho.
Speaker B:He also played a trick on me at Chacho.
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker B:No, it wasn't you.
Speaker B:It was Finch.
Speaker B:Finch played a trick on me and told me Adrian was there, and I ran into his twin.
Speaker B:Nobody told me he had a twin.
Speaker C:We have identical twins over here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then I went to go give Alex.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Alex a hug, and he goes, I don't know you.
Speaker B:And I'll go, adrian, you know me.
Speaker B:And he goes, no, I'm Alex.
Speaker B:I'm like, what?
Speaker B:And it blew my mind for a whole day.
Speaker B:And then I felt terrible.
Speaker C:I mean, a lot of people walk around hugging random men all the time.
Speaker B:What do you mean?
Speaker B:That's shot.
Speaker B:Show.
Speaker C:Yeah, that is shot.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, guys, honestly, thank you for having me.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:You know, I came here specifically to do this because I think what you guys are doing is important.
Speaker C:I think the way you do, it's important.
Speaker C:I think the message needs to be out there.
Speaker C:And you know, Canik Century myself personally will continue to support you in any way we can.
Speaker C:And obviously the listeners and those that that are in this fight with us.
Speaker B:Together comment down below if you want us to do another GOA cannon.
Speaker B:I'm trying to pressure peer pressure here.
Speaker C:We're in.
Speaker C:We're in.
Speaker C:I think it's important.
Speaker B:By the way, Adam, thank you again for being on.
Speaker B:As a thank you from Paul Meadow and AAC Ammo, you will be getting a gift for our guest we that is new for this season.
Speaker B:So they will be sending you out a awesome gift for being on the show with us.
Speaker C:I like gifts.
Speaker C:Is it a liberator?
Speaker B:Cameron, can you make that happen?
Speaker C:Come on, Cam.
Speaker B:Somebody called J. Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm in so much trouble for this.
Speaker C:I'm okay, everybody.
Speaker C:The rest of the season gets liberators.
Speaker B:Sorry, Shaman.
Speaker B:I guess Adam.
Speaker C:Most expensive sponsorship they've ever done.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:But no, guys, thank you so much.
Speaker A:Thank you for joining us on this episode of the State of the Second podcast.
Speaker A:If you have not liked, share, subscribe, hit the bell notification and leave a five star review on the podcasting platforms.
Speaker A:It helps us out tremendously.
Speaker A:We'll see you next week.
Speaker B:Bye now.
