Artwork for podcast Retirement Equals Freedom
015: When Can I Retire?
Episode 1528th July 2022 • Retirement Equals Freedom • Josh Bretl
00:00:00 00:30:45

Share Episode

Shownotes

Live from the FSR Wealth Strategies podcast studio in the heart of Elmhurst, Illinois, it’s another episode of The Retirement = Freedom and for the very first time … featuring Host Josh Bretl drinking Cometeer Coffee's flavorful La Esperanza roast. Guess what? He likes it. He really, really likes it! You also won’t want to miss Co-Host Dave Schmidt’s introduction to the podcast’s newest segment: Get to know Josh and Dave. (The jingle is still under construction.) After a quick detour into arcade games, this dynamic duo takes on the biggest of the big questions: When can I retire? There’s no one answer, but this episode offers advice on how to get started figuring it out. The calculus must take into consideration questions like: What will be your purpose? You may have the freedom, but do you have the means? The trick is to get into a mindset that takes what you desire in your fondest dreams and marries it with financial reality. What it will take to get there? That equation will be different for every one of us, which is why it pays to start considering what it all will look like in the future … now!  Enjoy this thoroughly caffeinated tour through the minds of our co-hosts, ranging from action figures to ramen noodles to vanity license plates that the Department of Motor Vehicles for the state of Illinois may or may not be willing to grant!

What’s on your vanity license plate – real or imagined? Josh and Dave want to know! Share your favorites on our new private Facebook group, which you can find here.

Know someone who is new to podcasts and wants to know how to tune in Retirement = Freedom? Josh has put together a little video that makes it easy. Click on this link (and share) to learn how to start listening today!

And if you haven’t tried it already, click here to get $25 off your first order of Cometeer Coffee. It’s the greatest!

Click here to learn more about or listen to previous episodes of The Retirement = Freedom Podcast.

FSR Wealth Strategies offers free discovery calls. Just click here to get started with one of the team’s CPAs. When it comes to living your best life, it’s never too early to get started!

Transcripts

Josh Bretl:

So your question of how do I know if I can retire?

Josh Bretl:

I'm going to assume you mean, how can I stop working?

Josh Bretl:

But I'm going to challenge you to think a little bit bigger.

Josh Bretl:

I want to take a step back to episode one.

Josh Bretl:

And the name of our podcast is the Retirement

Josh Bretl:

Equals Freedom Podcast.

Josh Bretl:

And I have always said that retirement is not

Josh Bretl:

the stoppage of work.

Josh Bretl:

Retirement is the ability to do what you want to do

Josh Bretl:

when you want to do it.

Dave Schmidt:

When can I retire?

Dave Schmidt:

It's a question that Josh and his team get

Dave Schmidt:

asked day in and day out.

Dave Schmidt:

And like most things, there's no one size fits all answer.

Dave Schmidt:

You first need to know your purpose, your

Dave Schmidt:

goals, your dreams.

Dave Schmidt:

Because how much money you have, isn't really all that important.

Dave Schmidt:

Instead, knowing whether or not your money in versus

Dave Schmidt:

money out can support your retirement goals, well now

Dave Schmidt:

that's the metric to understand.

Dave Schmidt:

So in today's episode, Josh and I revisit his original

Dave Schmidt:

definition of freedom, which is the ability to do what you want

Dave Schmidt:

to do when you want to do it.

Dave Schmidt:

This is the Retirement Equals Freedom Podcast.

Dave Schmidt:

Your host, Josh Bretl, is the owner and founder

Dave Schmidt:

of FSR Wealth Strategies.

Dave Schmidt:

For the last few decades, he's been helping fine folks like

Dave Schmidt:

you thrive in the retirement.

Dave Schmidt:

And me?

Dave Schmidt:

I'm Dave.

Dave Schmidt:

Josh's longtime friend, cohost, and fan of free lunches.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm here to make sure Josh doesn't bore you out of

Dave Schmidt:

retirement with technical jargon and endless rants.

Dave Schmidt:

So now, let me let you let me, end this introduction

Dave Schmidt:

so you can enjoy the show.

Dave Schmidt:

FSR Wealth Management is a registered investment advisor

Dave Schmidt:

located in Elmhurst, Illinois.

Dave Schmidt:

Information and opinions contained in this audio

Dave Schmidt:

have been arrived at by FSR Wealth advisors.

Dave Schmidt:

All information herein is for informational purposes

Dave Schmidt:

and should not be construed as investment advice.

Dave Schmidt:

It does not constitute an offer, a solicitation or recommendation

Dave Schmidt:

to purchase any security.

Dave Schmidt:

FSR is not providing legal, tax, accounting, or financial

Dave Schmidt:

planning advice in this audio.

Dave Schmidt:

These views are as of the date of this publication

Dave Schmidt:

and are subject to change.

Dave Schmidt:

Recording live from the FSR Wealth Strategies, podcast

Dave Schmidt:

studio located in the heart of Elmhurst, Illinois.

Josh Bretl:

You know, Dave, when I graduated high

Josh Bretl:

school a year after you.

Josh Bretl:

Do you know how the York High, what was the paper's

Josh Bretl:

name Wise Tales, I think.

Josh Bretl:

Or was it the yearbook?

Josh Bretl:

I don't know, whatever it was.

Josh Bretl:

They vote most likely to do this.

Josh Bretl:

Most likely to do that.

Josh Bretl:

I was voted most likely to never leave Elmhurst.

Dave Schmidt:

I know you were, you actually

Dave Schmidt:

mentioned that last episode.

Josh Bretl:

Did I really?

Dave Schmidt:

You did.

Josh Bretl:

I did not have the best memory apparently.

Dave Schmidt:

You were not voted the one with the best memory.

Dave Schmidt:

Nope.

Josh Bretl:

Nope.

Dave Schmidt:

Not you.

Josh Bretl:

Today is a super, super exciting day.

Josh Bretl:

I think actually I think we're not recording on a normal day.

Josh Bretl:

I think you are here because of the excitement that today is.

Dave Schmidt:

I mean, I'm not going to say yes.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm not going to say no.

Josh Bretl:

I mean, you did randomly text me last night.

Josh Bretl:

Can I come tomorrow?

Dave Schmidt:

I did.

Dave Schmidt:

Let's do a cheers.

Dave Schmidt:

Let's see listeners.

Dave Schmidt:

We're doing a cheers with our coffee mugs at the

Dave Schmidt:

beginning of an episode.

Dave Schmidt:

Can you guess why we're so excited for today?

Josh Bretl:

You know what?

Josh Bretl:

Let me start by saying you build a lot of stuff up that

Josh Bretl:

when I try them, don't think it always comes to fruition.

Josh Bretl:

This is really good.

Josh Bretl:

So this is the Cometeer coffee.

Josh Bretl:

It's my first drinking of the Cometeer coffee.

Dave Schmidt:

Do do the cheer sound effect.

Josh Bretl:

Where'd that go?

Josh Bretl:

And I really thought it was delicious.

Josh Bretl:

It showed up on Friday.

Josh Bretl:

I made a cup and Erin in our office made a cup.

Josh Bretl:

And she sent me a message on her, in her office messages.

Josh Bretl:

She goes, this is really good.

Josh Bretl:

I go, "better tell Dave."

Josh Bretl:

Yeah, because it's ridiculous.

Dave Schmidt:

And she did, she made a point to

Dave Schmidt:

send me a message too.

Dave Schmidt:

And she's like, should I put sugar and cream?

Dave Schmidt:

I'm like, "no, this doesn't need it.

Dave Schmidt:

In fact, I would advise not to it's so good."

Dave Schmidt:

Which blend are you drinking today?

Dave Schmidt:

Do you remember?

Josh Bretl:

I'm drinking the La Esperanza.

Dave Schmidt:

Esperanza.

Dave Schmidt:

Remember I'm married to a Puerto Rican, La Esperanza!

Josh Bretl:

It's true.

Dave Schmidt:

So what do you think of it?

Josh Bretl:

It's amazing.

Josh Bretl:

I've had too much coffee in the last couple days, but-

Dave Schmidt:

well you did.

Dave Schmidt:

And again, in a previous episode, you mentioned how

Dave Schmidt:

you should not be drinking coffee after 12 o'clock and

Dave Schmidt:

it is almost one o'clock.

Dave Schmidt:

So watch out Bretl kids here comes daddy.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm drinking the Belle blend.

Dave Schmidt:

So it's got like notes of Brandy and chocolate.

Josh Bretl:

Oh, I had that one Friday.

Dave Schmidt:

It's a dark roast.

Josh Bretl:

It's fantastic.

Dave Schmidt:

Maybe the best coffee I've ever had.

Josh Bretl:

It's a little hint of chocolate in there.

Dave Schmidt:

Hits the palate at the end.

Dave Schmidt:

So Cometeer, thank you for being awesome.

Dave Schmidt:

You know you want to sponsor us.

Josh Bretl:

Someday they will.

Dave Schmidt:

So far I think people think this

Dave Schmidt:

is a coffee podcast.

Dave Schmidt:

So let's change the topic to what we're going to eat today.

Josh Bretl:

To food.

Dave Schmidt:

What we ate.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh, if it's not one it's the other.

Dave Schmidt:

Today was a pretty easy decision for you and I Josh.

Josh Bretl:

Well, hold on, let me start this by

Josh Bretl:

saying today it's a Monday.

Josh Bretl:

Normally, Mondays for me are strict meeting days

Josh Bretl:

with our team members.

Josh Bretl:

It's not a marketing recording podcast day.

Josh Bretl:

When you decided you wanted to come in today, it kind of threw

Josh Bretl:

me all off for my schedule.

Josh Bretl:

And you're sitting here and I said, "well, Dave, what

Josh Bretl:

do we want to do for lunch?"

Josh Bretl:

And you say, "well, we should do something healthy."

Josh Bretl:

I was like, oh, he's going to want salads again.

Josh Bretl:

One of our local favorites, Kan-Ya ramen, downtown Elmhurst.

Dave Schmidt:

K-A-N hyphen Y-A.

Josh Bretl:

I have turned more people onto this place.

Josh Bretl:

Everything's fantastic.

Josh Bretl:

I mean, the ramen's good.

Josh Bretl:

They have the best fried rice anywhere.

Josh Bretl:

Those little sticky buns they have at the

Josh Bretl:

beginning are delicious.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh my gosh.

Dave Schmidt:

But our favorite and you and I both save it to the

Dave Schmidt:

very end of our ramen bowl.

Dave Schmidt:

They have a seasoned egg.

Josh Bretl:

I don't know if that's unique to

Josh Bretl:

them, but it's delicious.

Dave Schmidt:

They make it to perfection.

Josh Bretl:

My brother moved out here from the city a few

Josh Bretl:

years ago and you know, he's kind of a hoity snooty like "I

Josh Bretl:

like my downtown Chicago food."

Josh Bretl:

And even he has fallen in love with the Kan-Ya.

Dave Schmidt:

Don't know how you can't.

Dave Schmidt:

So Kan-Ya thank you.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh man.

Josh Bretl:

It was so good that Dave just like inhaled

Josh Bretl:

the microphone there.

Dave Schmidt:

I did.

Dave Schmidt:

And Josh pointed out, I do have some Kan-Ya left over

Dave Schmidt:

on my new shirt, which is tucked in and Josh laughed me

Dave Schmidt:

for wearing a tucked in shirt because that's just not me.

Josh Bretl:

Did you untuck it today?

Dave Schmidt:

No it's still tucked in to prove you

Dave Schmidt:

wrong that I can do it.

Dave Schmidt:

I can last five hours with a tucked in shirt.

Josh Bretl:

You looked younger.

Dave Schmidt:

Well, I appreciate that.

Josh Bretl:

So today's a little scary for me because

Josh Bretl:

first off we weren't planning on recording a podcast.

Josh Bretl:

So I didn't have an episode built out.

Josh Bretl:

And Dave said to me, "Don't worry about it,

Josh Bretl:

I got today's topic."

Josh Bretl:

And that scares the you know what out of me.

Dave Schmidt:

It should scare you.

Dave Schmidt:

It should scare everyone.

Dave Schmidt:

I spent some time thinking like, how off course should I take us?

Dave Schmidt:

Should I like-

Josh Bretl:

How long have we been recording so far?

Dave Schmidt:

Only five and a half minutes.

Josh Bretl:

Well that's pretty good for us.

Josh Bretl:

And so far we've talked about ramen and coffee, so-

Dave Schmidt:

We're very on point, according

Dave Schmidt:

to our standards.

Dave Schmidt:

I ended up circling back to a pretty relevant topic.

Dave Schmidt:

Don't you worry, once we hit like episode 50,

Dave Schmidt:

I'll start introducing super random podcasts

Dave Schmidt:

exclusive to the nineties.

Dave Schmidt:

TV shows, music, movies.

Josh Bretl:

I couldn't remember what we talked about last week.

Josh Bretl:

How are we going to remember we're talking

Josh Bretl:

about the nineties.

Dave Schmidt:

Well, as everyone knows, I'm stuck there.

Dave Schmidt:

So I remember it vividly.

Dave Schmidt:

So this topic came about, Josh, over the weekend I

Dave Schmidt:

was playing Nintendo switch with my seven year old.

Dave Schmidt:

It's a little gaming device.

Dave Schmidt:

And it got me thinking about my dream of having

Dave Schmidt:

my own arcade in my house.

Dave Schmidt:

And my version of arcade is a retro arcade machine that you

Dave Schmidt:

could play any of our old school games on there, whether it be

Dave Schmidt:

Teenage Turftles, Mortal Kombat, Mario, all the good games.

Dave Schmidt:

Also to have a pool table in there, dartboard and all that.

Dave Schmidt:

And I thought if I had that in my basement, I would work

Dave Schmidt:

even less than I work now.

Dave Schmidt:

I took it a step further.

Dave Schmidt:

I said, if I had that in my basement, one that means

Dave Schmidt:

financially I'd be able to afford something like that.

Dave Schmidt:

I would just stop work all together.

Josh Bretl:

So you'd be even lazier than we are now.

Dave Schmidt:

I would.

Dave Schmidt:

I would have more time to exercise.

Dave Schmidt:

So I'd probably be in better shape.

Josh Bretl:

Hey, I'm going to stop you for a second.

Josh Bretl:

And remember your train of thought here.

Josh Bretl:

But did you know that in Yorktown mall, there

Josh Bretl:

is a retro arcade place?

Dave Schmidt:

Yes.

Dave Schmidt:

We've been there pre COVID, but I believe now

Dave Schmidt:

it's still only rentals.

Dave Schmidt:

I think you have to rent out the whole place.

Dave Schmidt:

Right?

Josh Bretl:

One of the kids' friends did that.

Josh Bretl:

And it was just us and another family with kids and

Josh Bretl:

they just, they had a blast.

Josh Bretl:

It was fun.

Dave Schmidt:

It was cool.

Dave Schmidt:

So that's really cool.

Josh Bretl:

Sorry, go ahead.

Dave Schmidt:

No, that's all right.

Dave Schmidt:

You're great at picking right up after I interrupt you.

Dave Schmidt:

Let me see if I'm just as good.

Dave Schmidt:

I thought, all right if I had that arcade room, I want

Dave Schmidt:

to stop work altogether.

Dave Schmidt:

What would it take for me to just stop working and retire

Dave Schmidt:

once I get my arcade room?

Dave Schmidt:

So today's topic friends is how do I know if I can retire Josh?

Dave Schmidt:

Pretty good though, huh?

Josh Bretl:

You're 42 years old.

Josh Bretl:

And you already want to know if you can retire.

Dave Schmidt:

Well, I've been thinking about this long,

Dave Schmidt:

long before I turned 42.

Josh Bretl:

I'm going to guess before you started back at the

Josh Bretl:

Bruegger's Bagels days, you were probably thinking, can I retire?

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

At my college graduation, which you attended, and Carla

Dave Schmidt:

didn't, but you were there.

Josh Bretl:

That's because-

Dave Schmidt:

you love me more.

Dave Schmidt:

I was thinking about retirement already.

Josh Bretl:

So how do I know if I can retire?

Josh Bretl:

That's actually an outstanding question.

Dave Schmidt:

Thank you Josh.

Dave Schmidt:

Now, before we start talking, I did want to introduce a

Dave Schmidt:

new segment in our show.

Dave Schmidt:

Really short.

Josh Bretl:

A new segment?

Dave Schmidt:

New segment.

Dave Schmidt:

And it's just going to kind of break up our normal talk.

Dave Schmidt:

And it's called get to know Josh and Dave.

Dave Schmidt:

There'll be a jingle.

Dave Schmidt:

Probably something like get to know Josh and

Dave Schmidt:

Dave, get to know us.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

What do you think?

Dave Schmidt:

No, too jazzy.

Josh Bretl:

I kind of like it.

Dave Schmidt:

You like it?

Dave Schmidt:

Okay.

Dave Schmidt:

Hey friends, it's me, Dave.

Dave Schmidt:

And after recording this podcast, I got to writing and

Dave Schmidt:

recording and editing and, I am going to play the new, Get

Dave Schmidt:

to Know Josh and Dave jingle.

Dave Schmidt:

I hope you like it.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh, yeah, that is definitely a nineties throwback.

Dave Schmidt:

And if you've been listening, you know, I love my nineties.

Dave Schmidt:

All right.

Dave Schmidt:

Back to the show.

Josh Bretl:

How are we going to get to know us?

Dave Schmidt:

Josh, I bought these really cool cards,

Dave Schmidt:

they're called Pod Decks.

Dave Schmidt:

And they're for podcasters, if like we're-

Josh Bretl:

Because that's us.

Dave Schmidt:

That's us.

Dave Schmidt:

We're full-time podcasters.

Dave Schmidt:

And it's just really cool, funny and some inappropriate

Dave Schmidt:

and just good questions to ask people that you're interviewing

Dave Schmidt:

if you don't know them well.

Dave Schmidt:

You and I know each other better than we know our

Dave Schmidt:

spouses, but I'd like to ask you a quick question and

Dave Schmidt:

it's a way for our listeners to get to know you better.

Josh Bretl:

Do I get to ask you a question later or is-

Dave Schmidt:

you get to ask me the same question if you want.

Dave Schmidt:

Okay Josh, what is the most expensive thing

Dave Schmidt:

you've ever bought that wasn't a house or a car?

Josh Bretl:

The most expensive thing I've ever bought that

Josh Bretl:

wasn't a house or a car?

Dave Schmidt:

Let's make it materialistic too.

Dave Schmidt:

You know, like something that you just probably didn't need,

Dave Schmidt:

but you spent a lot of money on.

Josh Bretl:

Okay.

Josh Bretl:

So it's not like-

Dave Schmidt:

it's not like a computer or anything like that.

Josh Bretl:

No I'm trying to think of something fun.

Josh Bretl:

Something fun.

Dave Schmidt:

Fun, yes.

Josh Bretl:

This is probably too long of an answer for this.

Josh Bretl:

Way back when, this was when we were first married.

Josh Bretl:

So probably 15, 20 years ago.

Josh Bretl:

My birthday's in March and my wife comes to me, I don't know

Josh Bretl:

if we were married at this point or not, but she comes to me.

Josh Bretl:

She goes, "We always get each other gifts, but

Josh Bretl:

we're approaching a point where we don't want much.

Josh Bretl:

Like, we're pretty simple.

Josh Bretl:

We'd always go out to eat.

Josh Bretl:

What if we spent some money?

Josh Bretl:

I don't get you a gift, but we go out for a really

Josh Bretl:

nice meal, like something like we would never be

Josh Bretl:

able to afford in our own.

Josh Bretl:

So it's your birthday dinner plus your gift in one."

Josh Bretl:

I was like that's a great idea.

Josh Bretl:

And so our very first birthday meal was at Charlie

Josh Bretl:

Trotters in downtown Chicago.

Josh Bretl:

And Charlie Trotters, like the original fancy

Josh Bretl:

restaurant in Chicago.

Josh Bretl:

If you see me, you know my favorite thing

Josh Bretl:

in the world is food.

Josh Bretl:

And that became a tradition.

Josh Bretl:

Charlie Trotters was great.

Josh Bretl:

I'm glad we got to eat there.

Josh Bretl:

We've eaten at some really cool restaurants.

Josh Bretl:

Probably the most expensive thing I've bought, like

Josh Bretl:

frivolously, that wasn't like a vacation...

Dave Schmidt:

Of course.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Josh Bretl:

It's probably a meal out.

Josh Bretl:

I mean, we've had some mind blowing meals that are once in

Josh Bretl:

a lifetime experiences, which to me, there's some people

Josh Bretl:

like to buy artwork or some people like to buy fancy cars.

Josh Bretl:

It's not me.

Josh Bretl:

I like to eat.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

You spend money for an experience.

Josh Bretl:

Yeah.

Josh Bretl:

I'm a huge experience person.

Dave Schmidt:

:

That's really cool.

Josh Bretl:

So my parents are listening to this.

Josh Bretl:

We tried to get experiences for them for different

Josh Bretl:

things because they are hard to buy for too.

Josh Bretl:

In Christmas of 2019, I got them each in experience pre

Josh Bretl:

COVID that I've yet to fulfill.

Dave Schmidt:

Which was?

Josh Bretl:

I was going to take my mom to a cooking class.

Josh Bretl:

So mom let's do that cooking class.

Josh Bretl:

And then to my dad, I was going to get him a custom

Josh Bretl:

shirt because he has never had a custom made shirt before.

Josh Bretl:

I thought fun to do.

Josh Bretl:

He likes to wear nice dress shirts.

Josh Bretl:

But I'm a terrible son and three years later still

Josh Bretl:

haven't done that yet.

Dave Schmidt:

You've bought me a lot of food to make up for it.

Dave Schmidt:

I've had great experiences eating food.

Josh Bretl:

We've eaten together, but we haven't,

Josh Bretl:

I still have that tinge of guilt there.

Dave Schmidt:

I get it.

Dave Schmidt:

I get it.

Josh Bretl:

All right.

Josh Bretl:

I'll turn back to you.

Josh Bretl:

What's your most expensive thing?

Dave Schmidt:

My answer would be much shorter and

Dave Schmidt:

friends listening, our future answers will be much shorter

Dave Schmidt:

than what Josh just said.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm telling you he loves to talk.

Dave Schmidt:

All right.

Dave Schmidt:

So mine is more of a theme than an actual item because

Dave Schmidt:

I'm a very simple guy.

Dave Schmidt:

I don't buy clothes.

Dave Schmidt:

I buy video games, but I don't live a super fancy lifestyle.

Dave Schmidt:

Action figures.

Josh Bretl:

I was wondering, was it your Sleepy

Josh Bretl:

Hollow action figures?

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

And actually I could actually sell that for a couple hundred

Dave Schmidt:

bucks now, but yeah I just like collecting, like when I see a

Dave Schmidt:

good movie, I'm like let me go see if there's an action figure.

Dave Schmidt:

And there usually is.

Dave Schmidt:

So I've spent probably more than anybody I know on just

Dave Schmidt:

nerdy action figure stuff.

Dave Schmidt:

They're all in boxes.

Dave Schmidt:

I don't even have them displayed yet.

Dave Schmidt:

Once I finish my office though, I'm going to

Dave Schmidt:

put them up on a shelf.

Josh Bretl:

Great.

Josh Bretl:

But your question leads into the topic.

Josh Bretl:

I'm going to steer us back toward the topic here because

Josh Bretl:

your question of how do I know if I can retire and then

Josh Bretl:

what's the most expensive thing you've purchased.

Josh Bretl:

We're going to tie that together if that's okay.

Dave Schmidt:

That's why I chose that question.

Dave Schmidt:

No, really though it is.

Josh Bretl:

But I want to take a step back to episode one.

Josh Bretl:

We're going to throw it all the way back here.

Josh Bretl:

And the name of our podcast is the Retirement

Josh Bretl:

Equals Freedom podcast.

Josh Bretl:

And I have always said that retirement is not

Josh Bretl:

the stoppage of work.

Josh Bretl:

Retirement is the ability to do what you want to do

Josh Bretl:

when you want to do it.

Josh Bretl:

And if you remember, my friend, Scott Mann said that his

Josh Bretl:

definition of freedom was the ability to do what you wanted

Josh Bretl:

to do when you wanted to do it.

Josh Bretl:

And that was at retirement equals freedom.

Josh Bretl:

So your question of how do I know if I can retire?

Josh Bretl:

I'm going to assume you mean, how can I stop working?

Josh Bretl:

But I'm going to challenge you to think a little bit bigger

Josh Bretl:

and challenge you to think, hey, maybe you're retired right now.

Josh Bretl:

You get to spend two days a week with me and

Josh Bretl:

this podcast audience.

Josh Bretl:

I mean, what could be better?

Dave Schmidt:

Not much.

Dave Schmidt:

I nap the other three days of the week.

Josh Bretl:

The stoppage of work is relatively abnormal

Josh Bretl:

from a historical perspective.

Josh Bretl:

I mean our life expectancies are now longer than they've

Josh Bretl:

ever been, but for most of human history, we worked

Josh Bretl:

till we died and then we died and that's how you retired.

Josh Bretl:

And we're lucky enough now that we have medical

Josh Bretl:

advancements and we have enough scientific knowledge that

Josh Bretl:

we can actually live longer.

Josh Bretl:

And this idea that you can work long enough to stop

Josh Bretl:

working is kind of new.

Josh Bretl:

And something that we've actually seen people struggle

Josh Bretl:

quite a bit with is what do you do after you retire

Josh Bretl:

after you stop working?

Josh Bretl:

Because you can lose that sense of purpose really fast.

Josh Bretl:

Dave, even though you want to play video games every day,

Josh Bretl:

the rest of your life, I would say, what's the first thing

Josh Bretl:

you need to know is what else you going to do with your life?

Josh Bretl:

What else is out there?

Josh Bretl:

And it doesn't really matter what it is,

Josh Bretl:

but have that purpose.

Josh Bretl:

I mean more time with Landon, more time with your wife,

Josh Bretl:

more time traveling, is there some nonprofit you want to do?

Josh Bretl:

Is there another job you want to do?

Josh Bretl:

There's all sorts of things.

Josh Bretl:

So that's always what I tell the first people is know

Josh Bretl:

what you're going to do.

Dave Schmidt:

I think that's so important too.

Dave Schmidt:

Even my mom is officially retired and after a year

Dave Schmidt:

it's like, I can't, I have to go back to work.

Dave Schmidt:

And it's only a couple days a week and I just think

Dave Schmidt:

that's probably the norm.

Josh Bretl:

And I think it's become more normal.

Josh Bretl:

I mean like every good social topic, there's a

Josh Bretl:

pendulum that swings and I feel like the pendulum swung

Josh Bretl:

really far to stop working.

Josh Bretl:

And now it's kind of swinging back to this purpose based

Josh Bretl:

concept, which is really cool.

Josh Bretl:

I mean you want to have some sort of purpose in this world

Josh Bretl:

and retirement can give you that freedom to do that sometimes.

Josh Bretl:

So that's my first one, but that's probably

Josh Bretl:

a cop out answer.

Josh Bretl:

So I'll get to the technical part of it.

Josh Bretl:

A lot of it has to do with money coming in

Josh Bretl:

versus money going out.

Dave Schmidt:

The first part was more kind of-

Josh Bretl:

Philosophical thought process.

Josh Bretl:

We teach people how to think.

Dave Schmidt:

Very fru fru.

Josh Bretl:

But money coming in versus money going out.

Josh Bretl:

So money going out is the hardest part to identify.

Josh Bretl:

Because you have to know what you're going to spend.

Josh Bretl:

So this is why your question get to know Dave and Josh

Josh Bretl:

was so timely because knowing what you spend is important.

Josh Bretl:

And let's say you spend $6,000 a month.

Josh Bretl:

I don't know.

Josh Bretl:

Everyone spends a different dollar amount.

Josh Bretl:

Let's put, you spend $6,000 a month.

Josh Bretl:

If you stop working, that money has to come from somewhere.

Josh Bretl:

So if you're going to "retire," because you have this freedom,

Josh Bretl:

you've got to be able to replace that $6,000 a month.

Josh Bretl:

Now Dave, you're 42 years old.

Josh Bretl:

You don't have social security.

Dave Schmidt:

No, not that I know of.

Josh Bretl:

But maybe your wife's going to keep working.

Josh Bretl:

Carla's a teacher.

Josh Bretl:

She's has a great job.

Josh Bretl:

Does she want to keep working?

Josh Bretl:

And she could be part of that $6,000 a month.

Josh Bretl:

Now I'm going to frame it back more towards the people who are

Josh Bretl:

my clients for the most part.

Josh Bretl:

And the $6,000 a month is not odd.

Josh Bretl:

It doesn't really matter.

Josh Bretl:

Some people spend 15, $20,000 a month.

Josh Bretl:

Some people spend a thousand dollars a month, but let's

Josh Bretl:

use six as an example.

Josh Bretl:

So if you spend $6,000 a month and social security covers,

Josh Bretl:

let's say $4,000 a month, we have to know where we're

Josh Bretl:

going to get the other $2,000.

Josh Bretl:

So the first thing you have to do is know money

Josh Bretl:

in versus money out money.

Josh Bretl:

Money out is what you spend, money in is

Josh Bretl:

other income sources.

Josh Bretl:

It may be social security.

Josh Bretl:

It may be a small side job.

Josh Bretl:

It might be a pension, but you have to know

Josh Bretl:

money in versus money out.

Josh Bretl:

And then whatever that difference is, whatever

Josh Bretl:

that leftover amount is, got to come from really your

Josh Bretl:

savings, some sort of savings.

Josh Bretl:

So we have a choice.

Josh Bretl:

If there's a big difference there, we either have to

Josh Bretl:

lower how much your money out is, or we have to

Josh Bretl:

spend down your savings.

Josh Bretl:

So that's what most people think of when they think

Josh Bretl:

of retirement, they think of how big of a savings

Josh Bretl:

pile do I need in order to make up that difference.

Dave Schmidt:

Now you have a very unique situation

Dave Schmidt:

because if you go back to episode six, where we talk

Dave Schmidt:

about "budgets," you have a Dave budget, or you're still

Dave Schmidt:

responsible for a large portion of what I spend every month.

Josh Bretl:

So if I want to retire, I just cut

Josh Bretl:

out the Dave budget.

Dave Schmidt:

No you, don't.

Josh Bretl:

It's really simple.

Dave Schmidt:

That is not an option.

Dave Schmidt:

Laser tag for life.

Josh Bretl:

But you have this pile and how big that

Josh Bretl:

pile has to be is what most people are concerned about.

Josh Bretl:

And so that's really the question when people ask, how

Josh Bretl:

do I know if I can retire?

Josh Bretl:

It's do I have enough money?

Josh Bretl:

And I'll get asked all the time how much do I need to retire?

Josh Bretl:

Do I need a million dollars?

Josh Bretl:

Do I need $5 million?

Josh Bretl:

Well, there's lots of variables that go into that.

Josh Bretl:

It's how much do you spend?

Josh Bretl:

How much other income do you have.

Josh Bretl:

That will determine how much you need.

Josh Bretl:

And I see people who retire with $200,000 and they live

Josh Bretl:

a great, fine, comfortable retirement with no issues.

Josh Bretl:

And I've seen people retire with $10 million

Josh Bretl:

and be broken 10 years.

Dave Schmidt:

That's amazing.

Josh Bretl:

How much you have is really not the part of

Josh Bretl:

the equation that matters.

Dave Schmidt:

But that's what everybody thinks about.

Josh Bretl:

That's what everyone thinks about.

Josh Bretl:

Everyone really thinks about that equation.

Josh Bretl:

Do I have enough money?

Josh Bretl:

But the true part is really that mindset.

Josh Bretl:

You know, what are you going to do?

Josh Bretl:

Because what are you going to do does impact

Josh Bretl:

the money out portion.

Josh Bretl:

You know, if you're going to be a philanthropic wonder child

Josh Bretl:

and give hundreds of thousands of dollars away every year,

Josh Bretl:

you better have a big pile of money, but then it's that

Josh Bretl:

money in versus money out.

Josh Bretl:

And I remember growing up as a child on Halloween,

Josh Bretl:

we'd go trick or treating.

Josh Bretl:

You and I, we were never really friends with

Josh Bretl:

trick or treating agents.

Dave Schmidt:

We were too old for that unfortunately.

Dave Schmidt:

I tried in high school, but I had the cops called on

Dave Schmidt:

me like handful of times.

Dave Schmidt:

So I stopped.

Josh Bretl:

So I remember there was one street in town that

Josh Bretl:

had all the big houses on it.

Josh Bretl:

And I remember saying to my dad, dad, I want to go over

Josh Bretl:

there and trick treat there.

Josh Bretl:

And he said, he goes "just because they have big houses,

Josh Bretl:

doesn't mean that they give away big candy bars."

Josh Bretl:

And I looked at him like he was crazy.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

Like dad, what do you know?

Josh Bretl:

And he goes, "maybe the reason they

Josh Bretl:

have a big house is because they don't spend frivolous

Josh Bretl:

money on big candy bars."

Josh Bretl:

I was like-

Dave Schmidt:

I don't like that answer dad.

Josh Bretl:

But it was kind of one of those defining

Josh Bretl:

moments of my life.

Josh Bretl:

You know you remember certain conversations.

Josh Bretl:

That was one that sticks out in my head is I'll always remember.

Dave Schmidt:

I bet you Al's going to remember

Dave Schmidt:

the conversation when you told him there's

Dave Schmidt:

other taxes besides like-

Josh Bretl:

oh my God, we had a family party last night.

Josh Bretl:

And he was telling my dad, he was trying to

Josh Bretl:

describe sales taxes.

Josh Bretl:

My dad looked at him like you're nuts.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh I love it.

Josh Bretl:

So you know the tax when you buy things right.

Josh Bretl:

The tax that Target has on you.

Dave Schmidt:

So good.

Dave Schmidt:

Amazing.

Josh Bretl:

Actually they're learning about sales taxes now

Josh Bretl:

because for their birthday, they got a lot of Target gift cards.

Josh Bretl:

And so Missy took them shopping at Target and in their mind, you

Josh Bretl:

know, I've got a $10 gift card.

Josh Bretl:

This $10 toy should be great.

Josh Bretl:

Well it's $11.50 with sales tax, whatever.

Josh Bretl:

And it's mind blowing to them.

Josh Bretl:

It's a great question.

Josh Bretl:

But it's really a specific question.

Josh Bretl:

In fact, the first time someone comes into our office, that is

Josh Bretl:

the one thought that keeps going through my head all the time.

Josh Bretl:

What's it going to take?

Josh Bretl:

What's it going to take?

Josh Bretl:

So as they sit down, I'm asking questions all the time,

Josh Bretl:

asking all sorts of questions.

Josh Bretl:

If they want to know what I'm thinking, what I'm trying to get

Josh Bretl:

out of it, I'm trying to think.

Josh Bretl:

Do you have enough to retire?

Josh Bretl:

And it's different for everybody.

Dave Schmidt:

And I know that you stop short of having people

Dave Schmidt:

like give a budget because that just makes people itchy.

Dave Schmidt:

It's more like, you just want to know how much do you spend.

Dave Schmidt:

That's all I care about.

Dave Schmidt:

And not what you spend it on.

Dave Schmidt:

What do you spend to live?

Josh Bretl:

At this point in your life, you've built up.

Josh Bretl:

I'm not going to change your habits.

Josh Bretl:

I just want to what they are.

Josh Bretl:

And I don't really care what they are and there's different

Josh Bretl:

ways we can back into it.

Josh Bretl:

I mean, we can look and see, hey, what is your income?

Josh Bretl:

And we can add, subtract things to that.

Josh Bretl:

And that's what you spend.

Josh Bretl:

That's a fun question, David.

Dave Schmidt:

Thank you very much.

Dave Schmidt:

Josh, I actually like this impromptu episode.

Dave Schmidt:

Thank you for letting me choose the topic.

Josh Bretl:

15 more episodes.

Josh Bretl:

You can choose the next one.

Dave Schmidt:

I appreciate it.

Dave Schmidt:

Every fifteen, that's a deal.

Dave Schmidt:

All right.

Dave Schmidt:

So a second half to our segment of get to know

Dave Schmidt:

Josh and get to know Dave.

Dave Schmidt:

Oh yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

See if you can answer this one more succinctly please.

Dave Schmidt:

All right.

Dave Schmidt:

Thank you.

Dave Schmidt:

Josh if you personalized your car's license plate,

Dave Schmidt:

what would the plate say?

Dave Schmidt:

I think Illinois, we have seven letters.

Josh Bretl:

Oh, I got it.

Dave Schmidt:

Okay.

Josh Bretl:

F-R-E-E-D-O-M.

Josh Bretl:

Freedom.

Dave Schmidt:

Freedom.

Josh Bretl:

Or tax nerd.

Dave Schmidt:

I see that.

Josh Bretl:

Tax nerd.

Josh Bretl:

Tax nerd.

Dave Schmidt:

Should we see if we can get it for,

Dave Schmidt:

just get it now for Al.

Josh Bretl:

Oh yeah.

Josh Bretl:

We'll set it aside.

Josh Bretl:

What if that one's available?

Dave Schmidt:

You can have like the option of choosing

Dave Schmidt:

four or five custom plates.

Dave Schmidt:

So you can do like T-A-X-N-R-D.

Dave Schmidt:

One or five.

Dave Schmidt:

Okay.

Dave Schmidt:

Okay.

Dave Schmidt:

Tax nerd.

Dave Schmidt:

Freedom.

Dave Schmidt:

I like it.

Dave Schmidt:

Mine is not overly creative.

Dave Schmidt:

It would be two big legs.

Josh Bretl:

Two big legs.

Josh Bretl:

Eh, it works.

Dave Schmidt:

I would take out the E in legs.

Dave Schmidt:

You know something.

Dave Schmidt:

Because I got, I have massive tree trunk legs.

Dave Schmidt:

Nickname is Stumps or Mr.

Dave Schmidt:

Big legs or Daddy Long Legs or whatever you want to call me.

Dave Schmidt:

Schmidty Sticks.

Dave Schmidt:

Stumps O'Houlahan.

Josh Bretl:

That's a good question.

Josh Bretl:

I like that one.

Josh Bretl:

Maybe if anyone has a vanity license plate, if you

Josh Bretl:

will, the retirement equals freedom Facebook group.

Josh Bretl:

We'd love to hear about that.

Josh Bretl:

My uncle for the long time has been driving around with

Josh Bretl:

the Chi Cub W license plate.

Dave Schmidt:

So, and he finally came to fruition in 2016.

Dave Schmidt:

How about that?

Dave Schmidt:

Hey, Josh hit that button.

Josh Bretl:

Oh man.

Dave Schmidt:

[singing] Yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

Thank you for letting it play out this time.

Dave Schmidt:

So this is my first Dave relates to retirees while

Dave Schmidt:

drinking Cometeer coffee.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm not going to set any expectations here.

Dave Schmidt:

It's not going to be my best.

Dave Schmidt:

I'm going to kind of keep it in theme with today's

Dave Schmidt:

episode, kind of impromptu and on a more lighthearted side.

Dave Schmidt:

But I can relate to retirees, going back to my initial story,

Dave Schmidt:

Josh of how I just want to live out my life, running an arcade.

Dave Schmidt:

So I think I want to take my dream of having an arcade

Dave Schmidt:

in my basement and kind of expand on it a little bit.

Dave Schmidt:

I would love to open up Dave's retro arcade, where

Dave Schmidt:

people could come and enjoy all the same things I do.

Dave Schmidt:

It'd be a business, but it would also be a hobby and

Dave Schmidt:

somewhere I could hang out, because Carla gets sick of me

Dave Schmidt:

after a few hours in the house.

Dave Schmidt:

So that is my dream.

Dave Schmidt:

That is retirement for me, just chilling with my friends

Dave Schmidt:

and my homies, playing video games and then having some

Dave Schmidt:

other people who share the same likes as me to join me.

Dave Schmidt:

So Josh, what would it take for me to get there?

Josh Bretl:

Dave that's an interesting one.

Josh Bretl:

And every time someone you do this, I sit here and think, how

Josh Bretl:

am I going to tie this together?

Josh Bretl:

But I actually think you did something quite beautiful there.

Josh Bretl:

The first thing I said when you asked me the question

Josh Bretl:

earlier, how much do I have to have to retire?

Josh Bretl:

I brought up the retirement equals freedom.

Josh Bretl:

I brought up that having that purpose that's out there

Josh Bretl:

and you changed the question in your head a little bit.

Josh Bretl:

And you incorporated what you'd really want to do, what

Josh Bretl:

that freedom meant to you.

Josh Bretl:

So how much do you need?

Josh Bretl:

Well, this is a fun thing.

Josh Bretl:

We could now look and see what income can you derive off of

Josh Bretl:

it, or is it going to be an outflow or you're going to have

Josh Bretl:

to spend money because all your friends aren't going to pay you

Josh Bretl:

because they bought you food for the last 40 some odd years.

Josh Bretl:

Who knows?

Josh Bretl:

But that's a fun question.

Josh Bretl:

And that is the way a retiree should think.

Dave Schmidt:

:

That's the mindset.

Josh Bretl:

That's the mindset.

Josh Bretl:

This is what I want to do.

Josh Bretl:

How do I do it?

Dave Schmidt:

Help me get there.

Josh Bretl:

Help me get there.

Dave Schmidt:

Jingle me out.

Dave Schmidt:

Thank you.

Josh Bretl:

Oh.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Josh Bretl:

I think you should sing the jingle.

Josh Bretl:

And I'm going to do something fun that I've been playing with.

Dave Schmidt:

Okay.

Dave Schmidt:

So know, know when you're ready.

Dave Schmidt:

[singing]

Josh Bretl:

So I was playing with this cool little

Josh Bretl:

board we found over here.

Josh Bretl:

I thought, oh, we're going to make Dave sing.

Josh Bretl:

That'll be a lot of fun, but-

Dave Schmidt:

That was good.

Dave Schmidt:

I mean I can do that voice without that thing.

Josh Bretl:

That scares me.

Dave Schmidt:

See I can talk like this.

Dave Schmidt:

Another skill listeners.

Dave Schmidt:

Hire me for your next voiceover.

Josh Bretl:

So Dave, you promised that the first

Josh Bretl:

episode we're both drinking Cometeer coffee would be

Josh Bretl:

the best episode ever.

Josh Bretl:

Do you think it is?

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Dave Schmidt:

You know why?

Dave Schmidt:

Because I'm going to market the crap out of this episode

Dave Schmidt:

everywhere we can, get as many downloads as possible.

Dave Schmidt:

So people hear all about Cometeer.

Dave Schmidt:

And I think I'm going to insert the full house music

Dave Schmidt:

that I talked about at the end of your answer to my

Dave Schmidt:

Dave relates to retirees.

Josh Bretl:

Got real personal there.

Dave Schmidt:

It's just so good.

Josh Bretl:

Dave you've told me in the past that every

Josh Bretl:

episode we should ask our listeners to do one thing.

Josh Bretl:

Not any more.

Josh Bretl:

Not any less, but one thing.

Dave Schmidt:

Correct?

Dave Schmidt:

One thing.

Dave Schmidt:

Yeah.

Josh Bretl:

What's that one thing going to be today?

Dave Schmidt:

We're starting to get a little bit more

Dave Schmidt:

personal on the show with our whole new segment.

Dave Schmidt:

And I think I liked it.

Dave Schmidt:

What do you think of the new segment?

Josh Bretl:

Yeah it's kind of fun.

Josh Bretl:

Cool.

Josh Bretl:

I'll try not to expound on it too long in the future.

Dave Schmidt:

I appreciate that.

Dave Schmidt:

You can probably cut out 18 minutes of this podcast.

Dave Schmidt:

You just talk more precisely, but I would love for anybody

Dave Schmidt:

to listen to this, to share it with one person that you

Dave Schmidt:

know that would enjoy it.

Dave Schmidt:

Whether it be someone who is struggling with a

Dave Schmidt:

mindset change or going into retirement, someone just

Dave Schmidt:

wants to hear a couple of good friends, have some fun in a

Dave Schmidt:

podcast for 25, 30 minutes.

Josh Bretl:

Maybe someone who's been complaining

Josh Bretl:

about their coffee.

Dave Schmidt:

Someone who needs new coffee in their life.

Josh Bretl:

Now if you have trouble encouraging people.

Josh Bretl:

Oh, what a podcast is?

Josh Bretl:

I just created a video.

Josh Bretl:

Actually you helped me with it.

Josh Bretl:

It's real simple how to listen to our podcast and you can do it

Josh Bretl:

on the computer, on the phone, but we've made it as simple as

Josh Bretl:

humanly possible for people.

Dave Schmidt:

And we made a video and it's going to be on

Dave Schmidt:

our fsrwealth.com/podcast page.

Dave Schmidt:

We'll link to it in the show notes.

Dave Schmidt:

I'll also post it to like the FSR Wealth Facebook page.

Dave Schmidt:

It's public.

Dave Schmidt:

Anybody can go to the page and view it.

Dave Schmidt:

So it'll be accessible for you, but it'll help you share it with

Dave Schmidt:

friends who may not be as tech savvy as you are dear listener.

Dave Schmidt:

All right, friends again thanks for spending the

Dave Schmidt:

last half hour with us.

Dave Schmidt:

We really appreciate it.

Dave Schmidt:

And until next episode, Josh and I will sign off with Bye.

Follow

Links

Chapters

Video

More from YouTube