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How to Stop Turning “You” Problems into “Me” Problems
Episode 25117th December 2024 • You Are Not A Frog • Dr Rachel Morris
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When someone brings a problem to your door, the first thing to ask is “is it mine to solve?” The second question is “What are the consequences if I let them solve it themselves?”

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I remember 18 years ago when my second child was about three months

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old, I was talking to a woman in the toddler group where I used to go

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every Wednesday morning with the kids.

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And she had had a baby about a month ago and it was her second child as well.

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She was very upset and annoyed.

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She said to me, I don't understand.

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I thought that being part of this group, we were supposed to get a

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meal rota when we have our babies.

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And I remember feeling absolutely awful about this.

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And I scurried off and I texted all my friends, anybody I could think

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of and said, nobody's organized any meals for this lady and we really

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need to do something about it.

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Now at the time I was having an extension done and we hadn't got a

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kitchen so I was camped out in the freezing cold using half of my sitting

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room with a sink and a microwave.

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So the last thing I could do was cook any meals for this lady.

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So I went to the local Indian shop and got some amazing curries in a box

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and sort of delivered them round to her, but spent most of the rest of the

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day trying to organise a meal writer.

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Now looking back at that, it was total madness.

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She was probably just expressing disappointment that nobody had

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thought to organise a rater for her, but as soon as she had mentioned

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it, I took it on as my problem, my responsibility that I had to sort

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out, and took on a lot of unnecessary guilt and shame and blame for the

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fact that she didn't have any meals.

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The actual fact was, she didn't really need them, she had family close by.

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They had plenty of money, they could have gone and bought some

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ready meals and stuff like that.

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But I guess she was feeling disappointed that nobody had thought of it

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themselves, and that nobody had taken the time to organise it for her.

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When I look back on it, I often wonder, why did I think it was

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something that I needed to take on?

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Why did I take the responsibility and why did I take the blame for that?

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Because there were 20 other women in this group.

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It wasn't just me that had forgotten, all of us had.

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But somehow I internalised it as my problem, that there was

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something wrong with me, and I was just really thoughtless.

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And I think we do this all the time, don't we?

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As professionals, as people who like helping people, whose

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job it is often to help people.

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As soon as anybody expresses that they have a problem, we turn what's

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a you problem into a me problem.

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And a lot of the time people are only too happy for us to turn a

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them problem into a me problem.

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This was brought to my mind the other day when a friend of mine was

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telling me about a conversation that she'd been having with somebody else.

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And the issue that the person was expressing to her was obviously an

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issue for that person to sort out.

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And my friend had been very good at actually resisting taking all the

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responsibility onto herself and had been able to set some boundaries.

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And the phrase that had helped her was this is a you problem, not a me problem.

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And I thought, wow, that is so helpful.

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And it's early December as I record this and I know that many of us are

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going into winter pressures not only at work but at home as well with

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maybe the kids off school, relatives coming over for the holiday season.

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There's going to be a lot of people telling us that they have

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you problems that they're going to try and turn into a me problem.

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And this phrase for me just helps inoculate you from that mindset

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that, that it has to be me dealing with it because I'm responsible

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for everybody and everything.

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And over the years in our work, we've often taken on things

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that are other people's problems because we want to help, because

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we know how to deal with it.

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But often we just take on too much responsibility for things

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that are outside of our control.

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Because we care deeply about them.

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Because sometimes there are some things that we can do about them.

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And let's face it.

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Society is only too happy to let doctors and other healthcare professionals

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take on all the responsibility and all the burden for health.

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and social care, when in fact there's a huge amount of stuff

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that we just can't do, that people need to deal with themselves.

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Now it doesn't mean we don't support and offer advice, but when

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we end up taking on you problems that are not me problems, we

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end up in all sorts of trouble.

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We feel guilty when we can't actually do anything about it.

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We feel guilty that it's happened in the first place.

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We feel shame that we can't do anything to help, even when

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nobody could do anything to help.

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And we take a lot of the blame for stuff that's just not

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ours to take the blame for.

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It causes us to overwork, to forget what our own priorities are, and to

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get very muddled up about consequences.

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And I've talked about this before on the podcast, having that rescuer mentality,

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having that superhero mentality that I'm responsible for everybody and

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everything therefore I need to rescue everybody is really, really bad for

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our health, our mindset and it's really bad for other people as well.

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Because when we rescue people We keep them in victim.

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They then don't feel responsible for anything themselves.

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They go on repeating the same mistakes.

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They don't experience any consequences that make things change.

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Let me give you a really stupid example.

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The other day, my daughter didn't have any clean tracksuit bottoms

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and it was 11 o'clock at night.

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She needed them for 8 o'clock in the morning the next day and she

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had run downstairs, put a load of stuff in the washing machine.

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The washing machine wasn't gonna finish until half past 12 at night.

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And she said to me mum, mum can you hang out my washing when it's

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finished because I need those tracksuit bottoms for tomorrow.

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And I felt incredibly frustrated because I had been telling her

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for the past three days I needed to do some of her washing.

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It was all over her floor.

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I didn't know what was dirty and what was clean.

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I said, please, please, please bring your washing down so I can sort it out.

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And she just didn't.

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She said, yeah, I'll do it in a minute when I'm off my phone, blah, blah, blah.

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And it turned up 11 o'clock on a Sunday night.

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This was definitely a you problem.

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And I was very tempted to turn it into a me problem.

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I felt really bad.

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I thought, well, maybe I should have told her another time to do the washing

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and what's she going to do tomorrow when she's got nothing to wear?

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And I said, so don't you have anything else to wear?

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Don't you have any other clothes that you could wear?

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She said, Oh no, I don't have any other tracksuit bottoms.

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And I thought to myself, okay, I'm just going to have to

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wait up till the washing is finished and put it out to dry.

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Then I thought to myself, hang on a sec, hang on right there.

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what good is it going to do me if I wait till half past midnight

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to hang out those clothes?

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None whatsoever.

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I was really, really tired.

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I had a really big week the following week.

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So I thought, well, what am I going to do about it?

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And I thought, actually, she could get up at half past 12 and

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hang out those clothes herself.

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And more to the point, how are we going to avoid this happening next time?

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Because if I get up and hang out those clothes, then it's just going

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to happen again and again and again.

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So I thought about it and I said to her, I said, I'm really sorry,

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but I'm not going to wait up.

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You're going to have to set your alarm for half past 12, get up and hang out

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those clothes on the heated dryer so that they're ready for tomorrow morning.

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Was she happy about this?

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Of course she wasn't.

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But she went to bed, she said, all right, I'll do that.

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Because I knew if she didn't experience the consequences, then this behavior

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would just be repeated and repeated.

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And so often when we turn someone else's problem into a me problem,

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that just means that they avoid the consequences of their actions.

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They never learn and nothing changes.

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And we can see this on a micro level, we can see this on a system level.

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If we keep absorbing the extra work the system gives us because they

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haven't got themselves sorted out, they haven't funded it properly,

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they haven't provided enough locums or enough doctors, we're the ones

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that end up suffering, rather than making it the problem of a system

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that needs either more funding, more workers, or just to be organized

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in a completely different way.

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Now actually the next morning my daughter was going to school

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and I said to her, Hang on a sec, what are you wearing?

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She said, oh I had some other tracksuit bottoms that I just put on instead.

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What?!

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She'd miraculously found a solution, because she didn't want to be bothered

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getting up and hanging that out.

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So I'd been prepared to sort of sacrifice myself and my sleep for

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something that she could solve herself.

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So by not taking it on as a me problem, by keeping it as a you problem,

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she'd been forced to find a solution.

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And you know what?

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She's now doing her washing in good time.

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So the risks are if we keep making other people's problems into me problems,

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they don't learn and nothing changes.

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We take on all that extra responsibility on top of the stuff

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we already had and it's also very difficult for us to find solutions.

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I wasn't aware that there was a spare pair of tracksuit

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bottoms hanging around.

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But if we continue to make the distinction between something

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that's a you problem and something that's a me problem, we'll just

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have far less on our plate.

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We won't feel so guilty about everything.

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And we won't get so defensive when we actually do say no, because we

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won't be thinking, well, I should do it really, I ought to do it.

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We're able to make a positive choice.

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We could choose to take on an issue for somebody else, we could choose to help

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out, but also we could choose not to.

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And I think that is crucially important.

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Because other people can solve their own issues far better than we can.

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And I don't know about you, but sometimes when I've interfered with

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stuff and turned somebody else's problem into a me problem, I've often

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ended up making things a lot, lot worse.

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So what sorts of you problems are we dealing with?

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Well when it comes to kids, stuff like, I'm bored, I don't have enough

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money, I've broken my phone because it wasn't in a phone case or I

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didn't have a screen protector on it.

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These are very common things.

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What about people having health problems or relationship problems?

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Staffing problems.

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Or they're too busy to do stuff, or they've forgotten, or they've just

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massively overscheduled themselves, or an emergency's cropped up at work,

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which means they're stuck in other ways, maybe for childcare, or can't get to

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important meetings and things like that.

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When is it a you problem?

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When is it a me problem?

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Well, here's what I think will help.

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Firstly, do a zone of power on that problem.

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Who is in control of what happens?

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And more importantly, how much is in their zone of power?

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And how much is in my zone of power?

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The zone of power, for those of you that don't know, is a simple circle that

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tells us stuff that we're in control of inside the circle and stuff that we're

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not in control of outside the circle.

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So, if it's a you problem, there'll be a lot of stuff that I'm not in

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control of that's outside my circle.

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There might be one or two things I can do to help inside the circle,

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but most stuff is outside my circle.

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And when you look at the consequences of what happens about that, most

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of the consequences are experienced by the other person, not by me.

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So if one of my children forgets to do their homework, well they're going to

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experience those consequences, are they?

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Not me.

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And the only thing I can do about that, in my zone of power, is to

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remind them, maybe help them out a bit.

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But if I see my children doing their homework as a me problem,

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then I'm feeling responsible for all sorts of things that

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are outside my zone of power.

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Like, how much eff they put into it, when they do it.

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I have teenagers, so I don't have a lot of control over when they do

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their homework or how well they do it.

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So we need to think a little bit more about the consequences.

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The next question to ask is, does it matter?

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What are the consequences to me if this doesn't happen?

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You know, the consequences might be huge.

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They might be consequences I really, really care about, in which case

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I may well choose to take action.

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But if I'm honest, sometimes I really get bothered about stuff

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that's a you problem that I don't need to because I think the

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consequences are going to affect me.

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For example, if we go out on a winter's day and one of my children

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doesn't want to bring a coat with them, you know, I used to

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have massive arguments with them.

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I used to say, you've got to take a coat, because I knew that if they were

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cold, I'd have to give them my coat.

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I now say to them, up to you whether you bring a coat or not,

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but I'm not sharing my coat.

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And believe me, it only takes them getting cold for a little bit to finally

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realise that actually when they go out, they are going to take their coat.

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But it does depend on me not rescuing them from the

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consequences of their decision.

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Because we need to let people feel the consequences of their

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actions and their decisions without rescuing them all the time.

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This is the only way that people learn, this is the only way that

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things change or get better.

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But so often when we take a you problem on ourselves as a me

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problem, we're the only ones that suffer and nothing changes.

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There's another question I think we need to ask ourselves when thinking

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about is it a me or are you problem is is why do I care about this?

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Why do I think it should be a me problem?

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Because a lot of the time when we think we should we ought to do

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something it's because we're feeling guilty we're feeling afraid of what

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might happen, or we're feeling shame that we can't actually do anything

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to help, therefore we sort of over help and over burden ourselves.

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This is the amygdala response.

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It's our fight, flight, or freeze response.

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And often it's because we're stuck in perfectionism or people pleasing.

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So we take stuff on that we don't need to take on.

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So if I realise I'm making a me problem because I'm backed into the

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corner because I'm scared about what might happen or I really want that

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person to think well of me, like in that time where I was asked to

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provide all those meals for that lady, that's not a great place to be.

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We don't think straight and we tend to attribute everything as a me problem.

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We tend to think, oh, what have I done wrong?

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So often focusing on how we're feeling about that and the stories we're telling

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ourselves is really, really helpful just to go, hang on a sec, this might be a

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you problem as opposed to a me problem.

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Let me give you an example.

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I was in the gym the other day.

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I was getting dressed after I'd had a shower, and there was a lady

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next to me who was drying her hair.

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I started spraying some hair mousse onto my hair, and suddenly, this

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lady, who was maybe 15, 20 years older than me got extremely panicked.

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She threw the hairdryer down, she grabbed her bag, she flung all

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her stuff out of the locker, and she ran out of the changing room.

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She then came back and she'd forgotten something and I said to

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her, Oh my goodness, are you okay?

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She looked at me and she yelled, I cannot deal with spray.

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I said, Oh, I'm sorry.

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She said, I have a lung condition.

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I hate sprays.

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And, uh, I sort of stood there, didn't know what to do.

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I said, Oh, it's a mousse, not a spray.

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Cause I would never have sprayed hairspray in anybody's direction.

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But she just glared at me and, and hot footed it out of the changing

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rooms and I was left really shaky.

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I was thinking, Oh my goodness, what have I done wrong?

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This was so awful.

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Ah, and I felt absolutely awful.

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Now.

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It was obviously so much of a, her problem that I could just

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stop and go, Oh, you know what?

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There's obviously something going on with her, she's obviously

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very worried about her health, did I do anything wrong there?

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Um, no, I don't, I don't think I did anything that I don't normally

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do, it's definitely a her problem.

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But so many times people have a, a difficult reaction to us.

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We take it on as we have done something wrong, it's our problem,

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when most of the time it's about them.

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It's a you problem.

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The next question to ask is, do I care?

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Do I care about this?

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So most of the time, the answer would be yes.

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And then I'll ask, how much do I care about this?

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Because there are so many issues in this world that we care about,

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but we can't carry everything.

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So, am I going to choose to do something about this?

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How important it is to me?

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And more importantly, if I'm choosing to take this on as a me problem, what

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does it mean that I can't address?

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What does it mean that I can't do?

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Because doing anything out of guilt, shame, fear means we're

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probably just adding more to our plate that we aren't choosing to

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do but we feel we ought to do.

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And that always, always displaces something else that's just as important

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but it means we're not doing, maybe like spending time with our families.

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So how much do I really care about this and what am I choosing to

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carry and make into a me problem?

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Because we can, we can choose to do stuff.

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Of course we can.

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And if there's somebody that really needs helping out in a sticky situation,

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then of course I'll choose to help.

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but so often I'm helping out of fear, shame or guilt rather than the

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fact that I've thought it through and actually I really want to help.

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And finally, when we're thinking about consequences, don't think about,

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well, what are the consequences of not helping out, of not making this a me

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problem, think about, well, what are the consequences of making it a me problem?

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Long term, what does that mean for me?

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In terms of time, in terms of energy and resources, and

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what does it mean for them?

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In terms of not actually sorting out the root of the issue, not

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actually changing their behaviour at all in the future, or making

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sure it's not going to happen again.

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Because the long term consequences are so important.

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I remember reading in a parenting book somewhere that this guy was

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at dinner with his neighbours and halfway through the dinner, he needed

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to go to the loo, the bathroom was upstairs and he found the host of the

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dinner party where she was tidying up her 14 year old son's bedroom.

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Annie took one look at her and said to her, Oh my goodness,

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I feel so sorry for his wife.

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And that was a brilliant reminder that a lot of what we do with our

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families, we're training them, we're training them for the future.

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With our patients, we're helping them take responsibility for themselves.

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And our friends, we want to be there, but we can't be there

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for everything all the time.

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Now, if you think this sounds really mercenary, then I would say that

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there are mistakes we make in this.

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We can be so Teflon that we never help anybody out, and act as a complete

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island, and never do anything that we don't want to do, just because

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everything is a you problem, not a me problem, and we can't possibly think

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that about everything in the world.

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We can't all think that climate change is a you problem, or that

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health inequality is a you problem.

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Yes, there are things we can do about it.

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But if we spend our lives thinking that everything is a me problem, that means

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that all our energy is concerned with other people's priorities and sourcing

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other people out rather than focusing on what we want to do long term,

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So I'm recording this at the beginning of December and I'm looking to the

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holidays and I can imagine there will be a few you problems that get tried

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to turn into me problems when it comes to my family, possibly my work.

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And I know for many, many of you, you've got huge amounts of responsibility

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both at home and both at work.

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So when people are making unreasonable demands of you.

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When they're moaning at you, when they're complaining, can I

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suggest the first thing you say in your head is, is this a me

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problem or is this a you problem?

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Because even if you don't say it out loud, but you're thinking,

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actually, this is a you problem, that will free you up from some

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of the shame and the guilt.

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You'll be able to decide what you do and you'll be able to cope

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with pushback a lot, lot better.

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So, work out what's in your zone of power, what's in their zone of power.

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Ask yourself, does this really matter?

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And then work out what are the consequences of you

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making it a me problem, or you not making it a me problem?

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And finally, ask yourself, what is it I actually want to do?

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What is it that I'm going to choose to do in this situation?

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So in all the challenges at the end of the year, going into 2025,

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just bear this question in mind.

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Is that a you problem or is that a me problem?

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And what am I going to choose to take on?

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