Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

No one expects the Vorlon Inquisition! A joke so nice, we're making it twice. Delenn faces a critical test of her loyalty in Babylon 5 Season 2 Episode 21, Comes the Inquisitor.

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Hello and welcome to who are you?

It's a Babylon five.

Watch cast by a couple of strangers now, friends.

Who are continuing to get to know each other over one of their

favorite shows from their childhood.

Babylon five.

I'm Laura.

And I'm sure a

fair.

And today I get to ask your fair.

Who are you?

Oh, we haven't done

this in a

Oh, and I know, and I should've like, because we get a

good, like, who are you in this one?

I should have like, tried to mimic that.

Oops.

There's a lot of good who

are using this

There really

So when we launched the segment back in season one, I talked

a bit about JMS his college years and why he chose this question and it's.

Significance in the history of psychology and psychiatry.

I it's one of them and it might be my matter, which I don't know.

Um, But.

I am not an expert.

But This is the episode where that comes

full swing.

It really does.

Like I was thinking about that story.

You told us that whole time during, during the big scenes,

And actually.

When I read when I did the research, initially I read that story when we

just talked about the segment and the importance of that question.

That story was actually in my season episode

guide.

Oh for this episode.

For this episode.

Yeah.

Makes sense.

But who am I?

Well life's been going through some changes and I'm hitting

one of those big ones here.

Oh boy.

right now.

Friday was the last day of me doing my old job at my current employer.

And Monday is my first day at my new job at my current

employer.

Congrats.

Thank you.

Yeah, I'm completely changing divisions and the scope of what I do

and the people they interact with.

And it's going to Never completely new thing for me, but a very new

thing for so I think I've mentioned before I work in information

technology.

Mm.

And I was a people leader before.

Between direct and indirect reports I had about 50 people reporting up to me.

At various levels and points of their career from entry.

Two.

People who were effectively going to be my next peer, once someone in my position

moved away.

Yeah, that's a lot of people.

It's it's a fair bit.

And I mean, If you look at us operations for my division, it was about 5%.

Of the company.

Yikes.

which is intimidating.

It's, it's not a small number and I've been in leadership

for most of my adult life.

I have, what are we at right now?

15 years of leadership experience.

And I'm, you know, in my late thirties, So I've been doing this most of my career.

I've been a leader of one variety or another.

But it's been a big part of my life and my career.

I find it incredibly rewarding.

I love.

Being a leader Not for the normal reasons, but I love helping people grow.

It's one of the most rewarding things in my life.

Is to help someone achieve their potential to better themselves.

To just be the best version of themselves personally, professionally.

And I take so much joy in that.

And as a leader, as, especially in my current company, I've probably

gotten to promote some 20, 25 people over the last three or four years.

And it's been super rewarding and I really love it.

I love that part of my job.

It is easily the best part of my job.

But.

but Um, what I am moving away from is client-facing

Uh,

I'm not going to have any direct reports in my new role.

I'm moving to a team of like four people.

I'm going to be in Excel, jockey.

I when I redid my calendar on Friday, handing off things to the person

who was replacing me, who's also someone that started at the company.

Entry-level that I've been their boss.

Literally, since I became a leader at this company, they have reported to

me Through every stage of their career up through replacing As a middle which

has been super rewarding as well.

To just.

Help him grow.

But when I handed off all my meetings, I went from eight hours a week without

meetings to an hour and a half with.

Wow.

Oh, I'm gonna have so much time for activities.

I'm going to get so much stuff done.

Um, I'm really looking forward to it.

Like one of my job duties is I'm going to have a couple of hours each week,

like six to eight hours each week, a day, basically to just do on what I feel needs

to get done for the good of the company.

That's on.

That's one of my actual like list of job It's just like.

Oh, it's going to be so good.

I'm going to get so much done.

I'm going to get so much good.

Information out there to people.

About what we do, how we do it and boys to improve it.

And I'm really looking forward to.

Just that kind of grand scope of optimization.

Is really going to make my brain happy is happen.

That's living the dream.

Yeah.

So I'm really looking forward to all that.

I'm looking forward to not getting phone calls about a server

being down at 10:00 PM anymore.

That's going to be great.

I will be choosing my own hours outside of a handful of like, If

a VP or a C-level or something's like, Hey, I need you on this thing.

I need you to do this thing.

Yeah, of course.

override, but that's, that's what it would take.

To change my course now, not anything else.

So.

I'm looking forward to sleeping in

tomorrow.

Well, congratulations again.

Thank Yeah, it's, it's a huge change.

It's going to be.

A bit to get used to.

Um, There will be times where I will be sitting on my hands,

not knowing what to do without.

Having that set in front of me, for sure.

It will take some adjustment.

I definitely understand that.

Yeah.

But once we're through that.

I'm really looking forward to.

doing doing what I want to do for work.

It's going to be

It will.

And doing what you want to do and doing what you're chosen to

do.

Yeah, there you go.

I was

what this episode's about.

I was stretching for a segue there you

did

I found it.

I doubt I dug and I found it.

Um, So we're going to talk about doing what you're destined to

do with season two, episode 21.

Comes the inquisitor.

Um, This episode is a fun tagline, which is the episode.

That lets me say that Babylon five didn't even jump the shark.

When Jack the ripper shows up.

Yeah, Nope.

I mean, that's a, it, it's a very nineties thing, right.

For Jack

to show up.

But.

Did that start here too.

I feel like it might've, I don't know.

But you could tell me that it I'm not putting in that legwork.

I'm just, I'm not I'm not Googling that I'm not interested in spending that time

to see Jack the ripper media appearances.

I know that we had time after time in the late eighties.

Yeah, right.

Which I've referenced a number of

You have, I

still

haven't watched it yet.

I'm a bad friend.

I'm sorry.

We have to now that's fine.

We have to figure out our season three movie break still.

Yeah,

And we also audience listening audience.

By the time you listen to this episode, We will be preparing slash

about to record our season to recap.

So I'm going to say it now.

I'm gonna say it again.

At the end of the episode, please send us your thoughts on season two

of Babylon five so that we can include them as we go overseas and to in.

Two weeks after this episode

Yes.

We love to share your thoughts too, and not just talk about

our own thoughts all the time.

Yeah.

So get them in there.

We'd love to have them.

Okay.

So this episode opens up with J car sort of proselytizing in

the Zocalo about the, how the

a good word choice.

I hope I said it right.

I literally have, I have like P scribble and then protesting, written

next to it in my notes because I couldn't find that word and I really wanted it.

So I'm glad you're

done.

You

got it.

I didn't spell it.

Right.

The beauty of radio.

So he's a proselytizing in the Zocalo regarding this great threat

that this entire post to everyone.

Notably a human stands up and says their beef was with you.

Not with us.

Get

Yeah, we're humans.

We're fine.

Nah.

Like, we're all cool here.

And of course Chikara objects to this, but a NARKN objects to his,

his basically like public begging is kind of how he sees this.

I think.

He drags him off

to a meeting.

Yeah.

Meanwhile, a dilemma encounters, cos she was like, Hey, we're not

really sure about the whole EU thing.

So an inquisitor is coming to make sure if you survive.

dun.

dun.

Sounds very ominous and she seems a little surprised because no

one expects the Orlon inquisition.

Uh, That is an excellent joke.

Good job.

Um, after.

After theme, we cut to Sheridan's office and Dylan is like, look, I need you to

let this guy through, but I don't know who it is, what he looks like, what he'll be

arriving on or any information about him.

So maybe just like, let everyone through space TSA for awhile.

Uh, How we know this was made pre nine

Yeah, no kidding.

I like that she had linear have a little squabble in here about, you

She, she characterizes how cost feels as doubting and linear says,

no, he just wants confirmation, but I'm I'm team Dolyn on this.

I think.

Doubting and wanting confirmation are the same thing,

I mean, they're real close.

I would say in this regard they are a hundred percent the same thing.

Sometimes they just live next door, but today they're in the same house.

Right?

Yeah, a hundred percent.

They're like when you go to the hotel,

And there's the two rooms next to each other that have the door you can open

to kind of make the two rooms, one room.

That's doubting and wanting confirmation and the doors are open in this scenario.

Yes.

Agree.

After this, we get an ultra closeup arm steel that has

the worst filter on the gram.

Oh, my

gosh.

happening here in Chicago has the same amount of neck as the

criminologist from Rocky horror.

And then this arms dealer he looks like, but definitely

does not sound like Phil Collins.

Is he Doing a voice you think, or is this just

his

voice?

He's gotta be doing it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyways, a Dzhokhar's real upset about inflation, but

buys a bunch of guns anyways.

Uh, This is a tales all the time.

And guns.

Yeah.

lobby.

And rush.

And Hey, that's the first time you thought about rush Limbaugh since he died, which

just goes to show his actual impact on

There it is.

Got my leftist joke and

what uh, um,

I like that.

Dzhokhar points out in this.

That these are the weapons we sold you guys.

Years ago.

And now you're selling them back to us and inflation.

Yeah.

I'm a bit aghast at that to be perfectly

It seems like these are going to be obsolete, right?

Well, yes, technologically speaking, I'm sure they're obsolete,

which is probably why he has

Oh,

good

point.

But we know Dzhokhar sold these to like earth gov.

Oh, yeah.

And that is not a representative of earth gov in there.

That is just a shady

arms dealer.

So he's like, Hey, I sold your people, these guns, it's all like, yeah.

Okay.

You sold the U S military.

These guns 20 years ago.

And now I not, the U S military is selling the back to you.

I can appreciate how you would find the symmetry in that checar.

But as the arms dealer.

You have to be mistaken for someone else.

Yeah, earth gov has kind of turned you away.

Dzhokhar.

Now you could get stuck with dealing with the shady Phil Collins.

Uh, Meanwhile, Alon ship jumps to B five and Sheraton goes

to greet the arrival at space TSA.

To his surprise.

It's a human in a top

hat.

I

called him

a Moriarty clone.

He looks like a little more.

He already doesn't.

He like.

We've got big vibes.

So Sheridan tries to get, you know, this Moriarty to tell How he knows

Yeah.

and he

preacher Rick a tour.

Yeah.

Preacher, Rick, you don't have to give me that reference.

Oh, that is.

So at the college I went to.

There was a guy who would show up on campus and his name was preacher Rick,

and he would just, everyone was a center.

Everyone was just straight

up.

Just Southern Baptist style.

Like.

Just yelling at everyone.

Everyone was a and going to hell.

Uh, If he, if he didn't personally know you.

It felt like.

So, yeah, that that's preacher Rick, and this

is,

He's got the

vibes down for that.

So.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This guy is super judgy.

Like they step into the Zocalo and he's, you know, kind of ranting to

share it in about immorality and chaos are eternal in the human race.

We find out he hasn't been on earth for a long time.

1886, I think is when he said he left.

Yep.

Uh, Yeah, he's from London.

In the late 18 hundreds.

And he's just like, Sheridan's like, Hey, can you cut the cryptic bullshit?

And they agreed.

Drop kayfabe.

And he's just like, look.

The found me, they showed me the truth.

It's more than most minds can comprehend.

Right.

And he's all like, so you seen what the look like?

Hm.

Wonder why that got dropped in there.

That couldn't possibly be something timely to remind us

of being a plot point for next

episode.

And it's not something we've been talking about since like the pilot, right?

That no one knows what were loans look like.

It hasn't been brought up in

a while and

I

So we had to bring it up here.

we had to bring it up here.

Cause you got to tilt your cards a little forward before you play them.

When you Joe Michael Stravinsky.

Yeah.

So he seen the four lawns.

He's basically their servant now.

Right?

He seems like he only And you won't really say much else about

why he's here, what he's going to

Yeah.

Garibaldi corners, Dakar.

Who's like, you already know, like what, what, what are you doing here?

And Alfredo.

doesn't care about the weapons deal so much as the weapons themselves.

He doesn't want them to pass through.

Fair.

Yeah, he gives Jakarta data crystal that will let him contact a

smuggler who was Garibaldi, a favor that will help the non-free a charge.

when Dzhokhar asks Garibaldi, why he does this.

He says because he didn't lie to him.

Yeah.

then he notes that he likes to leave a little

room for people to disappoint

him.

Yeah, but I feel like Dzhokhar and Garibaldi really like turn a

quarter in their relationship here.

I don't think they've had.

Much of a relationship and because when Garibaldi confronted

him, Dakar said, yeah, I did.

I did the thing.

And he agrees that no weapons should not come through this station.

Garibaldi says, all right, you're cool.

We can be cool.

This scene feels a lot like an interaction that Garibaldi would

have with Alondo in the middle of

season one.

Doesn't it.

I've thought the same thing.

I thought this is how they were once.

But.

No

No more.

Dylan goes to gray, 19 to meet Sebastian.

And a gray sector is creepy.

Y'all.

Yeah.

Great.

Sector's creepy.

And they had some very like, Gray council beams of light on the floor.

Did you notice this when she walks

in?

did.

It was very reminiscent of the great council chambers.

Right down to the amount of fog machines that can explain how spirit Halloween

can afford all that storefront.

We went to spirit Halloween this weekend.

Did you.

It's October.

So.

It's October.

That was our October 1st thing.

I have not thought about Halloween at all.

You'll get there.

We're going as the Phantom of the opera and a chandelier

as our couple's costume.

Who's the chandelier.

Yeah, the chandelier.

It's the real love story and Phantom

of the opera.

Yeah, obviously.

Her degree.

So Sebastian Comes up and confronts Dylan.

And he gives her like these pain manacles.

That he's going to use for their discussion.

And

Like she can take them off at any time, but if she does shit loses.

Yeah.

Uh, Then she's not the one, right.

yeah, some real power Dynamic stuff here.

And then they do the intro to our podcast.

But with more electrocution and lemon

grass,

same amount of

SAS.

A lot more

electrocution.

A lot more electrocution than we use.

The first, like three answers she gives, she gives like her name.

She gives a title.

Yeah.

And her familial relationship, and these are all bad answers.

These are all

Yes.

don't know if she gets sapped

we've used.

It's not good radio Dylan.

I can tell you that having a bit of experience making radio

based off the question, who are you, I can tell Boring answers.

So those are all bad answers.

And I don't know.

I don't think he's zapping her yet during these

right.

I think There's There's some light zapping.

Along with the Ana acceptables.

So basically she's giving answers that are.

How other people.

Relate to her or named her or something.

And he wants.

To here.

Who she is from her own words.

So I thought

that was interesting.

He is not convinced that Dylan is a true member of the blues brothers band.

Sebastian tells her he's been testing people for

years and they've all broken.

Their they're all not chosen ones.

Yeah.

He's he's done this dance a number of times.

And when he's done being a shitty power tripping, Dom who doesn't

know what aftercare is to her, she won't think she's special

either.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's a very sinister.

Yes.

I I mean, you're not supposed to like him.

He's a shitbag.

He's literally one of the most famous shitbags in history.

So.

Cheers.

I realized that we haven't talked about this actor at all.

And I feel like we should.

I have no Notes on this

actor.

I looked him up.

Wayne Alexander.

Oh, yes.

So he's going to be somebody else later as well.

won't spoil that for anybody.

Uh, what's really disappointing for me about Wayne Alexander.

Is that this man is definitely not British.

I was very fooled where you fooled.

Not.

No.

It didn't really sound it's.

Well, the thing is, is it's supposed to sound old, British.

And so I guess.

There it wasn't like, but I've never heard someone from actual

18 hundreds, London speak.

Sure.

I

don't know what it's supposed to sound like.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This man is from San Joaquin valley.

Yeah.

But he's got one of those faces.

That's very long.

And.

Easily made gaunt with makeup.

And it just, you can just play up the sinister so well with him.

Yep.

So we're going to see him again later.

We'll point it out when he comes up.

Uh, we come back.

To veer.

Dodging Suntory asking for favors only to be in an awkward elevator ride with your

car.

Oh, yeah, he like ducks.

This guy, he like dismisses him.

This guy is not getting any favors from Londo.

Bye.

Gets into an elevator, gets a second to breathe.

And then whoops.

He's alone.

Yeah, he's alone in an elevator with J car.

The scene really gets me.

It could be severe is so sincere.

He really.

Means it, when he tries to apologize to Dzhokhar.

And we, as an audience know that because we've seen him encourage

Alondo to not do these things.

For two seasons.

You know, all of the season of Londo being a jackass.

So we know that veer is earnest when he says, I don't do this stuff.

And when he apologizes checar for what's happened to his people, he is earnest.

But your car is not wrong in

his response.

neither.

neither.

of

knife.

Yeah.

Cuts open his hand and for every drop of blood that spills

from his hand, he says, dead.

Dead dead, And he, you know, if your apologizes Jakarta.

I asked him how he can apologize to the dead.

Veer says he can't in Dakar says that means he can't forgive.

Yeah.

The scene is really powerful.

Both of these actors did an amazing job.

the

scene was great.

You can see.

Veers frustration with being a nobody.

he tried to talk one, two out of it.

He really did, but his apology means nothing to Jakarta the

fact that he tried to talk him out of, it really means nothing.

You're still a bunch of dead people.

Yeah.

You feel for both of them?

Yeah.

I mean, they shelled the planet for four

days.

Like.

I don't know how anyone is alive.

Like just that amount of asteroids raining down on a planet.

Can you imagine?

Yeah.

But anyways, back in Babylon fives, worst sex dungeon.

Sebastian is starting to get a little trigger, happy on the tens unit.

Well telling Dylan to expect the impossible and then be

surprised it doesn't happen.

Yeah.

He's he like mocks her a lot.

He wonders.

Aloud, whether he's a killer of dreams or a protector of the public.

Good.

Which I thought was interesting.

He seems to.

To wonder this without actually questioning it at all.

Oh, you mean a white dude?

Who's self-righteous that?

Doesn't question himself.

What.

I know we've never seen those before.

Especially, not in 18 hundreds, London.

Oh, my God.

For real.

Oh boy.

He asked the third

question.

Do you remember a third question that we got.

Where are you

now?

That, that

you here?

was lost.

Okay.

Why are you here?

I thought that was a good one.

And this is where it gets really contentious.

It seems like.

Well, she acknowledges that she's questioned if she's

right about her having a destiny.

Throughout all this, and he's all like, oh, positive reinforcement.

You get a break for 10 minutes.

To like lay on the ground and cry, I guess.

Yeah, well, whatever you're going to need, he doesn't

care.

Yeah, right.

He truly doesn't.

Meanwhile Dzhokhar is dealing with being questioned by some

rank and file again again, again.

Yeah.

This time, it's the purple drowsy.

Pur purple draws these guns.

Undercover.

Uh, Questioning Dzhokhar's competence.

For the many, many at the time.

In a regular Nard meeting Jakarta promises to get a message through to his family.

And exchange for them.

Yeah, adhering to his leadership.

Finally.

Yeah.

for reals.

Listen to me this time.

You guys, if I can get this thing done.

We go back to Babylon fives from your golf club, but at

6:00 AM, as Sebastian tells Dylan.

That her problem is her ego.

She counters that he's a weak said, man, who never had the ability or strength.

Or will to achieve their dreams.

And so he lashes out at those who dream to convince them and hence

That he is a failure because no one is able to do what he felt.

He was promised.

And pretty much the same story as every alpha bullshit Dom

I've ever When you question one of these fucks, they just lash

Mm.

Yeah, he's apps are a bunch.

He's absolutely Bunche threatened to stop her heart.

Yeah.

I wonder whose ego is the problem.

Really, sir.

Hmm.

Hmm.

This is very telling.

Right.

Stop telling on yourselves guys.

They Jakarta goes to Sheridan for help knowing it's in their

best interest to have him remain in charge of the night on the station.

And Sheridan decides to send the Rangers in.

We're going to get them out on their first mission

to be, we won't see it, but

Yeah.

They're going to do the thing.

We're not going to forget that they're around.

That's also going to be important for later.

So Linear finds Dylan.

and is concerned about her health.

She's not looking so great, right?

She's pretty upset and physically harmed.

Sebastian starts to return.

We hear that.

Tap tap.

Top of the cane.

Oh, so when you're hurries off and find Sheridan, he begs Sheridan to defy cosh.

And go save Dylan because he thinks that she's being killed.

Now upon viewing this.

Uh, And not remembering all of the exact details of this interaction.

I was kind of low key convinced that linear wasn't really there

and that this was Sebastian.

Further torturing Dylan with a little bit

Oh, I mean, you can read it that way, right?

Until we see linear go out and actually

get Sheraton.

Um, in which case it's probably actually

Yeah.

I

mean, you could, you could say that like he's meddling and

trying to get him in there, but,

Yeah.

It does seem like really linear as far as I can tell.

So Uh, linear goes, gets shared and shared and shows And

Sebastian's just like fucking, finally, dude, I've been waiting

Uh, he then ties Sheraton up and starts giving him shit with

his invisible whip cane part.

This is a new thing that we only see only Sheridan gets whipped when he's tied

And the, the electricity affects across his face are just so convincing.

Yeah, there's no electricity coming out of the cane.

We don't see a whip.

We don't get the like Frankie TNG thing going on.

We just see a really bad.

Photoshop, glossy and blur all overshared

in space.

A

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

Oh, I thought this was interesting.

So in here, you know, Sheridan gets to do one of his great go to Hills.

Cause I think he tells people to go to hell a lot.

I I feel like we get multiple audio clips of shared and

telling people to go to hell.

We had Garibaldi earlier mentioned to Jakarta, you know, if you bring these

weapons here, This place will go to Dzhokhar says we're already in hell.

And it's the inquisitor also says, this is hell.

It was like very interesting that are there Garibaldi shared in combo both.

You know, Don't believe they're in hell or, you know, they make reference to hell

and somebody else is like, already here.

Or ready there Sheridan offers to sacrifice himself, to

save Dylan and Dylan in turn offers herself as sacrifice to save.

So Sheridan.

And Dylan goes on a speech here.

That's really great.

There causes life one or a billion.

She's unafraid of death.

Her body is just a shell.

You know, I do this, not for fame, not for glory.

I do this to save life.

Yeah.

And Sebastian is just like, oh, Hey, you said the magic words.

Torture's over.

The handcuffs vanish.

Everyone's instantly freed and he, uh, smoke bombs and that appears at the

exit.

Yeah, you like teleports to the, the big round portal thing.

Nice round vault door.

Very cool.

So yeah, they have a quick

And uh, may start to leave.

But yeah, Sebastian stops him and he basically says, well, you

guys have read John three 16 and uh, you're doing So you passed.

I think he quotes it to us

Yep.

There are the right ones.

Don't don't question it.

You are the right ones

to lead.

The right ones in the right place at the right time.

In CNC, Sheridan asks Ivanova to Google Sebastian's name and address.

get that Wiki

article.

Yeah, get out the Wiki on London in 1886.

But we cut to Dzhokhar.

And he's showing the purple drowsy the video of his home and family.

so he satisfied, he satisfied and grateful

The nerd on the station.

One questions, your car for like at least eight episodes now.

Right.

I should've counted how many times?

I don't know that it actually happens again, but

It's happened

of assume.

Yeah.

It's a historical precedent at this point.

Like.

On his Sheridan, the confront Sebastian.

And he's all like, yo.

So I cross referenced your name and your address and the date that

you left just happens to be the last day of this murder spree.

How crazy.

Is that And he goes on a bit of a rant here, Sebastian.

He was chosen by God to deliver a message and blood for all the world to see.

Mm.

You know, the John's showed him.

His message was not heard.

Is holy crusade fell on deaf ears.

He's paid penance for 400 years and just wants to die.

Yeah.

The only, he, they don't remember his message.

No one remembers.

The point.

They don't even remember Sebastian.

All they remember is Jack.

Yeah.

Creepy.

Yeah.

Who Jack the ripper.

The

who are they?

That they would get these, this guy, right?

Like who the fuck are the four lines?

The good guys.

Right.

Getting fucking Jack the ripper, like, come on.

It should make you wonder, right?

I mean.

to, I mean, that's the goal really?

You're supposed to question right now.

Especially knowing what happens next episode, which I won't spoil it for you.

One episode ahead,

dear viewer.

But hoof.

You get it, you get some borderline stuff.

Next episode.

Let me tell you.

It's it's gotta be a, a season ender for Babylon five.

So we gotta have some big what's big for lawn stuff.

Vora on stiff.

Oh

Yeah.

Yeah.

So at least he does wish Sheridan that his choices should have better results.

You know Sheridan's choices are.

choices.

Right.

Yeah.

Like so your holy crusade, I hope it goes better than mine.

It's all like, well,

Well, your holy crusade was murdering prostitutes

I'm I'm going to fight back literal evil in the galaxies.

So maybe we don't make that compare a sin.

Yeah,

Yeah, he's still got a little distorted.

Oh man.

That's a good question.

Isn't it though.

That's the fourth question.

What did you

think of this episode?

Hmm.

Yeah.

I mean, we got a scale Babylon, one to five.

Occasionally fuck this episode.

The sixth ranking.

I remember being a lot more impressed by this episode when I was younger.

Um, I remember thinking the Jack the ripper thing was like, whoa.

And now it's just like, oh, everybody's done some kind of device like this,

not everybody, but a lot of our beloved series have made some kind

of device, not necessarily Jack the ripper a big plot twist reveal with

some historical figure or some, or.

Something like that.

I really don't love the torturey stuff.

Yeah.

I don't love the character.

It's not fuck this episode bad me.

Yes, that's actually, my exact note is Walnut a fuck.

This episode.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Is this average Babylon five for me?

I don't think it's a below average because I think it does serve the story.

But I don't think I can give it a four.

It's not above

average for me.

Okay, so you're giving it a four.

Do you

I'm going to give it a four.

Okay.

Well, like I said, it's not quite a fuck this episode, but this is probably as

close as Babylon five gets to a fuck this episode without breaking that boundary

for me.

I can agree with that.

It's shitty abusive behavior from someone in a forced position of power.

Which is the exact reason I hate the office.

Yeah, I mean, I, I'm never been an office watcher, but I can

see what you're talking about.

Okay.

Yeah, I watched W when I got COVID in fall of 2020.

I binged.

I was sick for 10 days and I binged the

office.

Huh.

And I had never watched it before because whenever I'd seen it,

I'm just like, how is this funny, Michael Scott, the character is.

So inept as a leader, that it is.

Abusive.

Like he's literally terrible.

Consistently without even realizing And it's, that's not funny.

That's sad.

Like it makes me angry as a leader.

It's like, you're so bad at this job.

You shouldn't have it.

You know, it's very Peter And it just drives me mad.

And so.

That's why.

It's almost a fuck this episode for me.

But it is literally Jack the ripper, like.

It's not like this is someone that is supposed to be a redeemable character.

And even, even Sebastian doesn't feel he's a redeemable character.

He he's paying his pendants for hundreds of years and all he wants.

Is the release of death.

He knows he is terrible.

He.

Knows he fucked up.

And he's still terrible and he's still fucking up because that's his role.

That's what he does for you know, he terrifies people and abuses

them and is the fucking worst.

So.

Because it's that.

You know, it's not like they had an episode with Hitler where he

was attempted a redeemable dude.

Like, that's not what

this is doing

at all.

You know, So it's, it's that for me?

And so that's why it's not a fuck this episode.

I think it's good from a character building standpoint Dylan gets the shit

beat out of her and keep standing up.

Uh, we get a good developmental moment in the relationship between Sheridan We have

some excellent stuff with veer in checar.

Yes, I do love that.

You're right.

And for that, all that adds up to a four out of five for me.

But only because it's just barely not a fuck this episode.

I think I could give it a reluctant for, because while

I may not have necessarily liked this episode, I wasn't supposed

to like this episode in some ways.

As you pointed out and.

It is effective.

It is good.

So that's, that's my reluctant for, I admit that it's I

just don't like Jack, the ripper.

Yeah, nor should you.

It'd

Yeah.

that guy.

Anyways.

Next episode is our season two finale listener.

I'm

We have season two episode 22, the fall of night.

Earth reacts to this and Tori's rapid invasion of several worlds.

But it is not what Sheridan expected.

Amazing revelations are made about the shadows and the Salons.

For lawn stuff.

Yeah,

it's a big episode.

mean, the finales always

are.

it'll be our last episode with the current theme set up.

You know,

cause we get different

every season.

Yeah.

So enjoy it.

So.

I think season three is my favorite too.

It's either three or four.

I don't honestly remember, but Oh, I'll let you know

when we hit that season three.

Episode one, if this was the one I remembered is my favorite.

Yup.

And this also means that the episode after next is our season two recap.

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