In this episode, our guest Amber shares her journey from being disconnected from her intuition to becoming a grounded intuitive healer, guided by the transformative power of her Saturn return. After six years of chronic shoulder pain vanished in a single BodyTalk session, she began awakening to the deeper messages of her body and intuition. Through healing, burnout, and rediscovery, she learned to trust the unseen, embrace her gifts, and step fully into her purpose.

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●       FREE 15 min sensations guided Meditation - To receive this, please email Amber at  amber@theintuitivewitch.ca.

●       Meditation to connect with your intuition and ask yes/no questions - To receive this, please email Amber at amber@theintuitivewitch.ca.

●       BodyTalk sessions available  (single sessions, more in depth and consistency or an approachable price point). To book your session, email Amber at amber@theintuitivewitch.ca.

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• Amber - The Intuitive Witch - YouTube

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• Rose Hope - Website
• Rose Hope - Facebook
• Rose Hope - Youtube

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About the Guest:

Amber Kelly, known as The Intuitive Witch, is an Oracle and storyteller who finds magic in life’s simple moments such as dancing, exploring nature, and embracing little adventures. She is the host of The Woo with Amber podcast, where she shares stories that spark curiosity and deepen connection to the unseen. Her journey into the world of “woo” began in 2014 when BodyTalk entered her life, opening a path of intuitive healing and self-discovery. More than a decade later, Amber continues to channel intuitive guidance and offer BodyTalk sessions that help others reconnect with their inner wisdom and magic.

About the Host:

Rev. DeeAnne ‘Rose Hope’ Riendeau  B.Msc, HADM, PIDP, NLP is a thought leader in spiritual and business development whose mission is to elevate how we think and live. Experiencing a life of chronic illness, and 2 near death experiences, DeeAnne rebounded with 20 years of health education and a diverse health career.

She is known as the modern day Willy Wonka for giving away her company Your Holistic Earth, which is the first holistic health care system of its kind.  She is currently the owner of Rose Hope International, in which she helps those who are seeking more joy, love, freedom, and a deeper meaning in life using your souls library also known as the Akashic Records. 

She has spoken at Harvard University, appeared on Shaw TV, Global Television, and CTV and has been recognized as a visionary and business leader having been nominated for numerous awards including Alberta Business of Distinction. Along with being an entrepreneur, DeeAnne is a mom of 2 bright kids, publisher, popular speaker and international bestselling author who uses her heart and her head to guide others to create their best life. 

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WSC Intro/Outro: This is when Spirit calls and you on your journey, are in the right place. This show is about magic, miracles and meaning shared through stories, interviews and channeled messages. We have so much to share about who you are and your divine mission here on the earth, let's get to it when Spirit calls is right now.

Rev. Rose Hope: The guest on our show today is the lovely Amber Kelly. Amber is known as the intuitive witch, an Oracle and a storyteller. Amber loves to dance, and she loves a delicious cup of herbal tea with honey. She also enjoys time in nature and little adventures that feel like magic to her soul. She loves to share and tell stories, and she does so through her podcast, the woo with Amber, anything woo lights up her little Scorpio soul. Amber's woo journey started in 2014 during her Saturn Return, when Body Talk walked into her life, she went from six years of chronic shoulder playing to pain free in a single session, it blew her mind open to possibilities of magic and set her on a path of getting to know herself more deeply through intuitive modalities and experiences. Now, over 10 years later, she has a beautiful connection to her intuition, offering intuitive guidance through BodyTalk sessions and channeled messages. Please help me welcome our guest, Amber Kelly to the show.

Oh, hello everyone. We are back, another wonderful edition of When Spirit calls. I'm so happy to have Amber here with us. Hi, Amber, hello. I met you and I just fell magically in love with you. I want your spirit. I loved how you just were so authentic and so real when we met, and I just felt this sense of really deep grounding from you. And then, of course, as we kind of explored a little bit more, you know, we understood that you and I both have some soul history that's very similar. And when I'm talking soul history, I'm talking like lifetimes of healer, of witchery and all of that in interesting stuff. And so I just knew Amber, I thought you need to come you. I need you on my podcast. I want to know who you are. So I'm so glad that you could take the time. Thank you again. So much for being here.

Oh, I so appreciate it. I also feel like I just loved your energy. So it's an easy yes to come spend some time with you

Rev. Rose Hope: the best when it's neutral, you know, yeah, on when one person feels it and the other doesn't. But immediately I was so drawn to you. And I yeah, I just wanted to give you a hug. And yeah, I just love I love it when we're just so divinely guided in that connection space and so, you know, with us seeing each other and recognizing some soul level connection with both of us, I'm curious to know your path like we didn't get a chance to talk about your history and how you ended up becoming this intuitive witch that you are today. So I'd love for you to share that story. What was it that happened to you? What was your childhood like? What were the pivotal moments where you're like, oh my god, this is who I am, and I'm going to start owning this. Because I think so many of us have these deeper knowings inside of us that say there's more to me than this. I do know more, but they just don't know how to get there. So would you just elaborate on that story? How did, how did spirit call you?

Well, actually, I would say I was not really that connected to my intuition when I was little, although I do like looking back now, like I have like memories of flying around the living room and being like, is that real, or am I imagining that? So, you know, like little, little things like that. But at the time, I would say, not really consciously connected, and I lived, I would say, up until my Saturn returned that way, not consciously connected. So it was a long journey of, yeah, not really consciously connecting to my intuition, and then with my Saturn Return, it's really cool, because I, at the time, was not into astrology, and it's looking back that I realized it was during my Saturn Return that intuitive things started walking into my life, and kind of like nudging me. Saturn was nudging me like you're not on the right path. Amber, you need to switch paths. I At that time I had been living so it was around 2029, with six years of chronic shoulder pain. Oh, and like it was bad enough that I couldn't lift my arm above my head. I couldn't sleep on the right side of my body. Body, and I'd gone for like, an MRI and a year of physio, and in the end, they're like, you there's no reason for surgery, and we've been doing all this, like fixing with the physio, and you're still not getting better. Like, basically, you have to live with this. And so I was like, Okay, I gotta live with it. So for six years, I lived with it, and then I had a girlfriend, she was on Facebook, and she was posting about this thing called BodyTalk. And I was like, okay, like, she's going to Wolseley in Saskatchewan to offer BodyTalk. She's gonna be here offering BodyTalk. And I was like, okay, like, that's interesting. I've never heard of this before. And finally, I meet her at a party, and I corner her, and I'm like, tell me about this body. Talk like I'm super curious. She for her it cured. She had had three months straight of intense migraines to the point that she couldn't

lay down, she couldn't sleep at night like she just was awake for three straight months, and she was googling solutions for migraines and BodyTalk popped up. And when she was googling it, she went for a session, and in that session, she was able to lay down for the first time without her head throbbing, and that night, she slept for the first time. And so for her, she's like, What is this magic? So she quickly turned around and took the training, and then a couple months later, I'd say she wasn't even a year into offering BodyTalk sessions. At that point, she I started asking her about BodyTalk, and I was like, so is it gonna make me taller? Is it gonna make my skin better? Is it going to fix my like, I wear glasses? Will it give me 2020, vision? And she's like, maybe, I don't know. She's like, I literally got taller because she had, like, a energy being held at one of her hips that had her legs being out of alignment, and with the energy releasing she she did actually get taller. So she's like, maybe, wow. So I was like, okay, that's really cool and terrifying. And at this point, I'm not into anything. Woo, woo. So for me, I'm like, she's a witch, right? I'm terrified. I don't know, I don't know if I should do like. I don't know what to think of this. But I'm also really intrigued, because if she could fix my chronic shoulder pain like this, would be magical, right?

Rev. Rose Hope: Maybe this is a miracle that you are looking for.

Yeah. So that night, she was gonna do a session at the party, and then she's like, No, this doesn't feel right. And I'm actually very grateful she didn't do it at the party, because, holy cow. So when I went for my first session at that point, I was very, I would say, how would I put it, like I'm just squeezing myself. I was holding myself in, holding everything, yeah, very constricted. And she went, or went for my first session, and she dove right in. She started telling me things about myself that I'd never told her, that I'd never told anyone, and she was blowing my mind. And like I could feel the tears wanting to come, because for the first time, I felt seen. And the BodyTalk session was super simple. It was my breath, it was hydration, and then it was about reciprocals, just my my different parts of my body talking to itself. I went home. I held it together. I didn't cry in front of her, because at that point that didn't feel safe. Yeah, I got home and was telling my husband about the session, and something in our conversation triggered me, and I cried. I felt like for 24 hours, I just so many tears, such a release. But the next day, I woke up and my shoulder pain was gone. And I was like, What? What the are you? I was like, Oh, my God. After that, I was her biggest fan, and I was promoting her with everyone. I told everyone the story of six years of chronic shoulder pain gone in a single session. It just blew me away. And what was being held in there is my right shoulder. Right shoulders are about responsibility. They are where we hold the like the weight of the world is in our right shoulder. For me, I was holding so much pressure, so much expectation of myself, perfectionism, I would say, coming from my dad. And so just her acknowledging that story, someone filing validating that, and I didn't even know that was my story, but, but it resonated when she shared it, wow. And so I just yeah it. It was able to allow that

energy to stop holding there anymore. Release. The pain went away. The sensation went away. Like, every once in a while I'll feel it, but it's not like it reduces my ability to do any like physical movements. It's just, it's sometimes it's like, Bamber, we're feeling, we're feeling a lot of responsibility right now, right? My body just. Like, stop. Hey, Amber, lot of responsibility. Maybe we need to, like, take a pause and where we we overextending ourselves, expecting too much of ourselves and putting so much pressure on ourselves.

Rev. Rose Hope: Oh, my gosh. I Okay. So there's a couple things that I want to just recap on all of this, because, you know, I also many, many years ago, had an experience with BodyTalk, and I was also like, what you can do, what? And so this is a little bit like medical mediumship, in a way to me, where it's like people are tuning in intuitively to the body and then finding the story that that body's creating that's causing the discomfort or the pain? Is that fair to kind of bring that to the surface of what it is?

Oh, yes. Like, I would say most people would call it like Intuit, our medical intuitive would be like, another way to put it. But medium, Medical Medium, totally, exactly. Yeah. So

Rev. Rose Hope: Okay, now you go through this experience where you've had this chronic pain, abracadabra, the miracle happens, and now, what like are you all super jazzed to become this too?

No, actually, I wasn't. Oh well, I would say I was, but I didn't think I could would be yes. Okay, so at this point, I have just blown my mind. My my brain doesn't know what to think, yeah, chronic shoulder pain gone. She didn't really even touch me. And there, the physical sensation has gone away, and I feel amazing. So I just start going back for regular sessions. I can notice in my body at about, like, the three to four week mark, there'd be like, vibration in my body, yeah? Like my body was ready for another release, because I wasn't doing anything for myself at that point, so it was just the BodyTalk sessions to help create that release, yeah. And so I would feel this, like, just sensation in my body of like, okay, I need to go back. So I was regularly going back. We broke the ice, and I just started crying in front of her, and it was very therapeutic. And then I, yeah, I just was going for sessions with her. I was sending all my friends to her. I want to, I believe I might be, at that point, I was her number one fan, and yeah, everyone. I was selling her to everyone, and I was in on anything she was offering. And so one day she was offering, she was bringing in a practitioner to teach the level one of BodyTalk. And I was like, Okay, that's cool, but, like, like, I don't have intuition at this point, I thought she was reading my mind. Like, when we would hang out afterwards, I'd be like, Okay, I need to, like, think really good thoughts about her. Like, she could not that I wouldn't, but, like, it was just, I need to think really good thoughts about her, because she's reading my mind. She can read everyone's mind. Now that I understand intuition, I know that she wasn't reading my mind, but at the time, that's what I thought was happening. And I was like, I don't have that ability. I don't have that capability. And she was like, come for the session or level one BodyTalk training. She's like, you will love it. It's like 1000

Body Talk sessions in four or five days. And I was like, my mind was like, Oh, I love BodyTalk. You're telling me you'd feel like 1000 sessions. Oh, my God, okay, I need this. I did this. Yeah, I'm in. I'm in. I don't have intuition, or I don't have that ability, but I'm in.

Rev. Rose Hope: You're coming for the other benefits, yeah,

so I come for the five day, course, and it is, yeah, it blows my mind. Like the instructors telling all these amazing stories of how, using BodyTalk, she like healed her horse that broke its ankle, how she used BodyTalk to heal her mom's breast cancer. She was stage four breast cancer. They went and she was a baby body talker at the time, doing this for her mom. She's and she didn't even have a good relationship with her mom, wow, at that time. But she was like, Hey, Mom, can I just practice on you? They were distance sessions. She didn't even send them to her mom, and her mom, like, gets the stage for cancer diagnosis, and then a month later, goes to, like, get another scan, to for them, to kind of decide how they're going to proceed for her, and there's no cancer. All of a sudden, there's nothing on her chart. And they're like, what like, do we have the wrong chart? Like, you literally were littered with cancer, and now we don't see any cancer. This makes no sense. And like, I'm hearing this, being like, Oh my gosh. Like, she's a baby body talker. She's not even telling her mom what's coming up in the sessions. She's just linking stuff together, but that, like, intuitive connection, that, like medical intuition, allowed her to heal her mom's breast cancer, and she's been. Clean, like living a long life. Never had to do anything. It's never come back. And it shifted their relationship, because then her mom and her, I'm not sure if like that specifically, but that allowed them to like shift, and now they're like the best of friends having, like, introduced BodyTalk into her life. So this instructor is telling me all these amazing things that's blowing my mind. I am not into, like, super woowoo things. I'm like, yes, my my shoulder healed, but like, now you're saying that you're healing horses and you're curing breast cancer. Like, oh, that sounds wild. I decide to Yeah. So during the training, I'm like, I'm so intrigued. I have she does, like, buy

talk sessions on everyone to like show using the basic techniques. But then you also get, like, basic by talk sessions, and they were super powerful. And in there, we were starting to connect to our intuition for the first time, for me, and I didn't trust it whatsoever. I was like, no, no, this can't this can't be right, like this. I don't know. I'm making this up. Is this a No, I don't know, yeah, but I loved it, and I was like, I need more. So the next course I took was is called MindScape, which I find is a amazing course for anyone that wants to validate their intuition or deepen their trust in into intuition. Yeah, I took it with Kristen Pierce, and she did. It's such an amazing little container. So they offer it for kids, and then kids, they can just do it in like one day, because kids are so open, they easily connect. For adults, it takes two days, which still isn't very long, to get you to connect to your intuition. So in the two days of MindScape, so we just you play, she brings you into your MindScape. What she calls it? They like, have like us. What would I call it? A ritual to get you in there, and then there's like a little workshop that you create with your mind. Like it feels like you're just playing with your imagination. It's just imagination time. Yeah, and she, like, lets you practice bringing in a book. She lets you practice bringing in a place. I remember when she asked me to bring in a place, I like, instantly saw, like, whites and pillars and like people walking. And I was like, Oh, this is, like, this is super weird. And then later, yeah, it was like a almost like a museum in Georgia. I think so, like the like, what I was getting was exactly what, what it looked like. And definitely, there's a piece to my intuition, which I'm continue to learn all the time, is, sometimes it's very literal. It's like, This is it?

Rev. Rose Hope: Sometimes it's literal and sometimes it's not at all literal,

no, and you're on this, like, wild goose chase. Like, I remember one session I did for someone, it was like extinction and T Rex and like the dodo bird. And I was like, Oh my gosh. Am I gonna say this to this lady like this film so wackadoo. And so I was like, I don't know what I'm seeing is like extinction and dinosaurs and the dodo bird. And she's like, dodo. She's like, that's my late husband's nickname. And I was like, oh, so my intuition had to use that imagery to get me to dodo to help me know that that is who we were going to be. The theme of the session for that day.

Rev. Rose Hope: Wow, yep, that's how it works, right?

Yeah. So then in the course, at the end they you describe a person you've never met, so you pair up with someone, and they give you a name and a location, or a name and a birth date of a person they know but you don't know, and you invite them into your MindScape your workshop, and you just experience them and describe what you experience. And it blew me away, like I was able to describe, like, for there was first stop we got to kind of just practice with a collective and it was a woman with, like, hair that was, like, really curly, and, like, totally nailed that. And then the next one was an older man, and he had, like, a limp and I just, I can't remember all the things, but I remember just like, even getting that he had, like, not a lot of hair, and it was really, it blew me away, because at this point I, like, a month earlier, yeah, I didn't get my intuition intuitive, right? Yes. And now a month later, I'm like, Oh my gosh, I just described a person I've never met. Like, this is, this is wild. And so it opened me up to, okay, I really like this. I really want to do more of this. Where do I even start? Because at that point, I was an environmental scientist or environmental consulting, and

Rev. Rose Hope: that's a pretty far swing away from the woo

it is. Is, but it isn't in the fact that I find there's so many people in the environmental world that are into this stuff, like I my first, all my first or a lot of my first clients were my co workers, and they were all open to trying it. So

Rev. Rose Hope: that's fantastic. That's amazing.

Yeah, wow. So didn't know where to start. And basically I just took training and just started offering sessions and practicing. That was and I do believe that like now it's like that integration. As I watch my kids learn to read, it's like, okay, you learn the skill now, just practice it until you get better at it, until you trust it more. Yes, yeah. And so it was from there I started offering sessions, and then I just would keep, like, flip flopping on, is this where I'm meant to be? Is this what I'm meant to be doing? Because it felt like such a big leap, like I feel like I was on the path of, yeah, you get a job, you have a good corporate job, I'm making good money. Yes, it's stressing me out and more and more each year. Yes, I'm burning out more and more each year, but like, this is the logical path. And then I started having my kids soon after, I tapped into my intuition, and I was like, well, I need maternity leave. I need that responsible money. And so I definitely cool. Was clinging to my my nine to five,

Rev. Rose Hope: yeah, oh yeah, I get that, yeah, yeah.

And then as I went through and did, listen to the whispers of leaning more into the intuitive leaning more into BodyTalk, leaning more into intuitive offerings? My I slowly started to burn out and yeah, like I'm a manifesting generator, if anyone knows human design. So technically, I'm supposed to have, like, all the energy in the world. I'm supposed to be able to do all the things just, yeah, yeah. But I but the thing, the like, key thing with a manifesting generator is it needs to be aligned things that light you

Rev. Rose Hope: up, that's right, otherwise you will get drained very fast. Yeah, yes, yeah.

So I continued down the path of consulting, and it was just slowly draining my my engine at one point, I would say it was like 2022, I totally I could actually like the imagery that my MindScape was showing me and that my intuition was showing me, was my like engine totally coming to a stop, right? That's how it felt. I felt like I had nothing. Yeah, so that has been a bit of my journey of, like, not trusting the intuition. So the intuition came online, and during my Saturn Return, and it's like, just kept nudging me towards the intuitive stuff. And then I went, didn't listen, because I was like, it doesn't feel safe. It really doesn't feel safe. So went into burnout, depression, whatever you want to call it, just like I really imploded. Yeah, and started from that place, from a very, I guess, depleted place. It was like, it felt like I had nothing to lose, right? Yeah, so I started to take some scary steps forward. The first scary step was I quit my job. Yeah, it was a very slow descent. I think that's just my nature is to do everything really slow. Because my Libra is like, are we doing the right thing? Are we not? And,

Rev. Rose Hope: yeah, let's ease in. Let's baby step this a little bit, you know,

yeah. And my intuition also was never giving me, like, a clear, like, yes. It was like, leaving is aligning. Well, actually, didn't even give me that. It said you can't keep doing both. You can't be like, right, holding your desire for intuition and doing consulting. And I was like, Well, I I know consulting is draining me, so I'm going to take the scary and choose intuitive. Yeah. So I slowly, gradually, even took a stress leave, which was actually the most stressful thing I've ever

done. Oh, my God. I don't know why we call them stress leaves, because it's almost like I'm going to leave to be stressed by Yeah. Like, can we call them reprieves?

Yeah? Yeah, I'm gonna be extra stressed. Yeah, it was probably the most stress I've ever been. Wow. So after I quit, I thought I was gonna jump right into intuitive business. And I did for a little bit, but it was feeling like, really sticky. And to be fair, at this point, it's 2023 like, I'm not really out of burnout. I'm just like, right? I'm just, I'm starting to shed the things. Were not working for me, but I'm not out of burnout yet, right? So I decide that I need to, well, I don't, I wouldn't say, decide my intuition was nudging me to close my doors to my business. And I was like, Are you serious intuition? Like, I just quit,

Rev. Rose Hope: right? Supposed to be birthing this new this new venture. Yeah, yeah.

But I have, like, looking back now, like, numerology wise, it was like supposed to be more closing door energy where I was at with my numerology. I believe I was in like, a year eight, maybe at that point. So it wasn't really the like, exact right time to be birthing something new. Got it. So I closed my doors January 2024 and was just like, deleting all the things, deleting my website, deleting my blog, deleting my Oh, before that, I deleted Instagram and Facebook, my business pages. It was just like, there was a real like, it needs to all and I'm like, I can't just deactivate it. And it's like, no, burn it to the ground. And I was like, whoa, okay, scary. So I burned it to the ground and sat empty and did nothing for like, nothing in terms of business for eight months. Wow, wow. It was a really sticky time for my mind, because my mind was like, we need to be doing something, or kind of do something, yes. How am I going to contribute? Not like, also validating the fact that I had two small children and one that was definitely needing more for me, he was definitely reflecting also that I needed more of me. Yeah, so we, we took eight months. We didn't really do much of anything. And then it was September of 2024 and I went to a retreat with some girlfriends where we are going to camp in the in Adirondack in New York State. Yeah, it's so gorgeous. There, amazing. And there there was a woman who was like, like, everybody there was into the Woo. And there was a woman there who, like, to me, and her face looked green, and we were about to go on a hike, and I was like, I feel like she needs something. I was like, maybe I'll offer her cortices. It's just like a grounding technique for BodyTalk. And so I offered. I was like, Are you open for me trying something? And she said, Yes. So we did cortices, and we were at the Information Center in front of the main doors is where we sat down to start to do this, wow. And so I'm giving

her cortices, and she starts to cry, and I'm like, okay, yeah. So then I just like started to feel into her body, that intuitive, medical, intuitive stuff, and just feel into her body and feel where there were stories stacked that needed to be voiced, needed to be seen, so that she could release it. Wow. So in front of everyone, she was crying, and I was holding space, and then another girl came and held space, and she had a really beautiful release, like the pain, the like pukiness, at least, was able to subside for her, and it was super interesting. So from that, then one of the other girls were a lot came up for her. So then we moved to the grass, and then people were doing a Raytheon and I was doing a BodyTalk session for her, and she cried it out. And we held space like we had to, like, a big, huge, like, I'm it was for everyone, but they were the ones that held it for us, a big release before we went for our hike and and I just left it that, and I hadn't done bodytalking In a while, and when we came back to the campsite, they're like, why aren't you doing this? Like, that was magic. Like, I wouldn't have been able to see that for myself if you hadn't been able to hold the space, yeah. Why aren't you doing this all weekend? They're like, why aren't you doing this? Why aren't you doing this? And I was like, Hi, I just, I don't know it feels like it was like, in a nutshell, I was scared. I was scared to go back into that energy because I associated it with my burnout,

Rev. Rose Hope: right? Of course, yeah.

So I was scared to go back into that energy. Also scared because when I used my original clients that I would hold space for. There was a lot of really heavy energy that I would say at the time I didn't have the capacity to hold right. There you go. Why I was just a new baby body talker,

Rev. Rose Hope: yeah? So, yeah, it makes sense. Why? Why you were? Going there, you know, yeah, wow. So after that weekend, obviously you're like, Okay, it's time to step back in.

Yes, it was during, like, the Eclipse portal. And I was like, and i i My intuition earlier that month had said you're gonna have clarity on where to move, what direction to move,

Rev. Rose Hope: brilliant. And so you got the clarity, and now you officially are the intuitive witch.

Yes, yes, yes. So that one's a fun like how I came up with this name. My name's changed a couple times, but I decided to honor the intuitive witch in that I got a astrology reading from her name is or her website is Lauren, Jane, and she first thing she does in the astrology reading for me, she's like, Yeah, you have witch energy. And I was like, what? She's like, Oh, yeah, it's clear as day. You your moon in the 12th house. And then all this, like, Scorpio like, and you have, like, the the right asteroid placements as well, where they need to be, like, you have basically all the placements I would be looking for, for a witch like you are witch energy. When I was like, Oh my God, it is, like, made my entire life. I'm so excited to be, to be called a witch, which is nobody, like, maybe back in the day, no, but now it's like, Yes, call me a witch.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yeah, brilliant. Oh, I love this. So, you know, you talked about a lot of things in the sharing of the story, and I just kind of want to go back to a couple of things you mentioned a couple times the Saturn Return. Can you to our audience? So the for those people that aren't as astrologically inclined, you know, what does it mean to have a Saturn Return? Can you explain that?

Yeah, so everybody has a Saturn Return about, usually it's age 28 to about 30 It's basically when your Saturn has made its way around your chart. And so it only happens like every like 28 to 30 years. So it doesn't happen very often. The idea is that it's a reset with Saturn energy. And Saturn energy is Big Daddy energy. It's like he is stern and he wants and it's, it can also feel like hard karma at times, because he it's, it's more of the the shadowy, the underbelly, parts of ourselves, and he's trying to set us on the path. He's like, you aren't dealing with this shadow. We need to, like, push you so that you start to witness it is, actually, is super interesting. It's also when a lot of celebrities, like celebrities like Kurt Cobain or Amy Winehouse. They die during their Saturn Return because, and they have, like dark, like their energy is dark. It's, it's almost like maybe they've completed what they needed to. They actually really embodied their Saturn and just their their journey is complete. But it is interesting. A lot of public people like that maybe have had a little bit of a tougher go. It can be around that, like 28 mark, closer to their like Saturn Return, that it seems like they're they're just done with this version of their life.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yeah, that's interesting. Thank you for sharing that, because even I'm thinking back, like, Oh, what happened to me around that time, and I know exactly what happened, and I definitely went through a Saturday return, yeah, well, thank you for that. Okay, so that I just wanted to close that because I I'm like, I was curious, and I'm sure many of our listeners would be too. So you know, obviously you went through quite a journey, and one of the things that I loved about your story was this idea that you actually weren't intuitive. Because I also get a lot of clients and even students coming to me saying, I'm not really that intuitive, or I don't think I'm that intuitive, but when you start to think back, you start to see evidence that, oh, actually, I was intuitive. I just wasn't conscious of it. And that's what you wasn't consciously aware of my intuition. Obviously, you learned that you are way more intuitive than you thought. I'm curious to know, what are the things that you would want to tell people who are maybe, maybe they don't feel like they're intuitive, or maybe they don't even know what's out there. You know, what is your word of advice for people that are still like going through their motions. They're in a job that they don't love, they're feeling the burnout. Maybe they're a mom who is like, there's got to be more to this life, which I'm sure you've said to yourself a few times, yes, as I have as Yeah, so yeah, what? What do you want us to know?

Your heart already knows those desires you have, those heart pulls you have is your intuition. We just are like, Oh, I just, I'm got my head in the clouds, or I'm dreaming or but no those that heart pull, those feelings you get. Those those things that light you up are exactly where you're meant to be, and it's so hard to trust it, because so many of us are like or a lot of people have been taught that you got to be realistic and really honors the right brain, aka the logic, aka the masculine energy, yeah, and we forget how potent and powerful our feminine is. I still, I'm working on that, and she has I like coming through my burnout. What has helped me come through my burnout has been listening to my heart. Heart pulls the things that don't have any purpose other than they make me happy, but that happiness is actually, then what fuels me, and I'm able to do the the munting task with a much different frequency and much different energy, yeah, cleaning the house after I've done something to fill my cup up and really, like, honor my heart. Just it feels easy, right?

Rev. Rose Hope: Must feel easy. And, you know, I know we say it as though it's so simple, like, oh, follow your heart. Follow your heart. But it's true, the heart has a resonance, and we actually have science to back this up. Now, the resonance and awareness far be before the brain does. And so how come we've been letting the brain go first when the heart actually receives the information first and actually knows right? So I love that you brought that to the service of like, no, listen to that inner heart. Okay, what else he got for us? What else do we need to know about, maybe our intuition and what we're not telling ourselves?

Well, for me, it would just be what's coming up in your body. So a great example is my my birthday was a great day on the surface, like everything was awesome. We had great brunch. I had an amazing latte. We got to go to Beaver Creek near Saskatoon and feed the chickadees. They're coming and eating out of our hands. I was like a princess. And then we went for supper at the restaurant that I had been desiring. And on the surface, I got beautiful gifts. On the surface, this was the perfect day, yeah, but I so easily was bypassing, like, my word right now, bypassing just like little things that how we kind of say, like, it's not a big deal. So you don't need to worry about it. It's not a big deal. Yeah, like, the latte was delicious and amazing, but there was a part of me that's like, I wonder if this is caffeinated, it's gonna affect my sleep tonight. And then I and it wasn't even the restaurant I was desiring. I picked the restaurant that I thought everyone would enjoy.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yeah, we do that as moms.

yes. So I already was kind of bypassing myself. And then Beaver Creek, it was great. Honestly, I feel like that was great. And then when, but afterwards, I was tired, and I could feel myself not wanting to go out to like the supper and get dressed up. I actually wanted to order pizza and just watch a movie or show all my kids couldn't say that. I again, bypassed it, yeah, and then by when it was time to go to sleep that night, I couldn't fall asleep. And you could be like, Oh, it's the caffeine or but it's because whatever, whatever is, because I was, I bypassed myself. I was actually there was like a undercurrent of like, anger that I just avoided all day because it's like, it's my birthday, and like they're trying really hard, and these are the things I like. And so it can be so sneaky, and then it affected my sleep. So until I was able to journal about it and acknowledge it, it couldn't, it just continued to live inside me.

Rev. Rose Hope: Wow. Okay, we need to talk about this whole idea of bypassing because I'm also guilty of it. Like, oh no, you want the bigger piece of cake. You have the bigger piece of cake. Like, I will continuously be the martyr or self sacrificing, and that's been part of my people pleasing work that I've been doing. But like, obviously you have a bit of the people pleaser in you too, right where it's like, oh, well, everyone will like this. I'm not going to pick what I want. I'm going to pick what will make everyone else happy. Yeah, I think that we get caught in that trap, and I think that actually causes, like you said, anger, resentment, misery, because it's not really what you wanted. And so that's not, not only is that not fair to us, it's not fair to the other people, because even though they didn't do anything wrong, right, they went along with what we agreed to, harboring some level of resentment, some anger, even though it might not be directed to them, we're still carrying that energetically, and so it impacts the dynamic of All the relationships that we have, it impacts our ability to really, truly feel like we were fulfilled and taken care of. And so I love that you this was such a perfect answer, I think for this, because it's like for all you listening out there, what are you bypassing? Are you getting really honest with yourself? About what it is you really want. Because what it is you really want isn't what everybody else wants, right? That's oftentimes what we think is like, Oh, I'll pick the restaurant that everyone will be happy with instead of the one I actually want, because that makes me feel good and making everyone else happy, yes, to a certain degree, yeah, there is a line here. And so this is a major invitation to all of us is like, Okay, what emotions are you bypassing? What, what truths are you bypassing? Because you're caught up in maybe that people pleasing. So I love that. I love that. And yeah, by talking about that

being in the body. So let's talk about that, because the body will also show us, you know, hey, you know you talked about healing your shoulder pain. And so as we are building our intuition, or as we're starting to trust ourselves, how do we link that with our body? Like, what good does the body do for us in that process? Like, obviously, the body's speaking to us always. Yeah, but what can that look like in terms of, how do I use my body to help me with my intuition?

For sure, that would be that one gets a little, I'd say, more technical at times. But on the flip side, maybe it can be super simple. It can be two ways you could do it, really simple, and just notice sensations and just hold space for the sensations. This has been my magic sauce, because BodyTalk can get a little complicated in that it kind of brings online the subconscious. So there's a little bit more of a mind experience to it, where, if you just, like, feel the sensation in your body, notice the temperature or the intensity, the size, if it has a color, and you just, just watch it, just observe it. Just give it your awareness, because that's all that energy wants, is your awareness, to be able to move right. So that's a super simple one, and that's been like a game changer for me. Part of my burnout burning on burnout package. If I were to sell someone a burnout package, recovery, recovery kit, it would be sensations. Work was a huge one for me to just be able to acknowledge the sensations like my one girlfriend, Lauren Estelle, does a beautiful job of holding space for sensations. And I just had an hour experience with her, and it felt so expansive just having her hold me and both of us paying attention to my body's sensations, and that's all we did. We didn't talk about any consciousness or like subconscious beliefs or any intuitive like stories to go to or add to it. It was just the body sensation amazing. But if you want to go a little deeper, it can be things like, for example, I got a cold sore, and that's because I was bypassing my anger. Cold sores are anger?

Rev. Rose Hope: Are they anger? Oh, my God, that's hilarious, because I never get cold sores. And yesterday morning I woke up, oh no, sore.

Yeah.

Rev. Rose Hope: so okay, I needed to hear that today.

Yeah, anger.

Rev. Rose Hope: anger in there. I gotta do, yeah?

That just needs acknowledgement and needs to be heard. So, yeah, anger. So I, and I was bypassing the anger. So it got really big, so talk to your anger. Don't bypass it like I did for a couple days, because by the time I dealt with it, it was, like, so big, but it is, it is what it is. Sometimes we just don't have the capacity to hold space for it at that time, or just like where it's at, like, what that function is, like hands, for example, or like connection. They how you connect with someone, touch someone. So if you're having hand issues, it can be struggling to connect with someone, or creativity actually, also the heart comes through the arms, through our hands, to create things. It can be like, restricting your creativity. There's things like, if you have bladder issues, or like, struggle like a UTR or something like that. It can be like, like, we would say you're pissed off, like, like, P is in that part, like, so like that can be anger as well. Interesting. Yeah, there's definitely. But that, I would say, takes a little bit more detective work than the sensations work.

Rev. Rose Hope: Well, I love the idea of being in the body, noticing where you're having discomfort, just acknowledging it and being the observer of that, because I agree that sometimes we just need to be seen and witnessed, right, just us as human beings like I just want to be seen and win totally right, and so our energy and our emotions are the same. Yeah, I love these little nuggets to help us along the way and to remind all of you listening, you are intuitive Absolutely, and your body is communicating with you all the time. You know this whole podcast is called when Spirit calls Spirit calls you through your body too. So reminding you all to pay attention. What is your body telling you right now? And don't be afraid to be the witness to that. You don't even have to fix anything. You can just be. The witness to that and notice how that shifts. Amber. This has been so much fun. I feel like we can keep going for an extended period of time, but we're gonna wrap it up for today. That was good. And so what do you have in store, if someone was listening to this and saying, Oh, my God, I need BodyTalk right now. How can they reach you? What do you have to offer them?

Okay, perfect. Well, actually, one thing I was just saying or thinking as we were talking about sensations, is I do have a meditation that I could send people for free. They would just have to email me at amber@theintuitivewitch.ca, and I can send them. It's just a 15 minute sensations guided meditation to be able to get into your body if you're looking for support with that love that, or and, or, I actually was just sending this to someone else. I have another meditation where you can ask, look, to connect to your intuition, to ask, yes, no questions. So that's a an option as well. So they could email me and just say what meditation they're looking for, and I can share it with them.

Rev. Rose Hope: Amazing. We're going to put that email in the show notes, folks, so you just have to look for that right below this podcast interview, and you will get access to those free offers. Anything else?

Yeah, so if you are wanting to dig into BodyTalk, you're looking for that deep transformation of having someone witness you and uncover the subconscious stories. And maybe it's going to be your miracle of product shoulder pain gone in in a single session. I do offer by tech sessions at 222, like $222 for an hour. I find that those are meant for the people that are going to come and you're already doing the work and you just need that, like, unblocking to allow you to, like, just step into more of yourself. It's not meant to be like, Come consistently. If you do feel like you would love this and you'd love to come more consistently again, message me. And I have, I don't advertise it on my website, but I do have an offer where, if you come more consistently, the price point is easier, because if you're coming more consistently, then, like, 222 is, is a lot to spend, I would say, every month. But two to two is, the idea is that you're already doing the work. You're just needing that, like next little like nudge to the next level, someone else to hold your hold space. Or if you're looking for something, a really approachable price point I have in channeled recorded sessions like you just message me or, I guess you can purchase it on my website, at the intuitive witch.ca and I will do a recorded session for you. I'll channel a message from my intuition that you're needing to hear. I find that this one is beautiful. And if you're wanting more than just a channel message, you could also it could be astrology or human design, because I'm digging into that more and more. So I also can infuse that into your recorded session.

Rev. Rose Hope: Love it. You got lots of tools in your toolbox. Doll, yeah. So good. Okay, well, we'll have all that information in the show notes for everyone listening. Amber, this has been such a pleasure. Thank you so much for opening up our world to this concept of BodyTalk and this ability to tune in intuitively and remove whatever it is that's causing the root of these pains, of these sufferings that we have in our physical body. It has been a real treat to be with you. Thank you so much. And thank you to everybody listening, and we hope you tune in again for our next episode on when Spirit calls. Thanks everyone.

Thank you so much.

Rev. Rose Hope: Thanks, Amber.

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