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The WW2 Liberation of Saint Mère Église: A D-Day Story
Episode 116 • 12th August 2024 • Talk With History: Discover Your History Road Trip • Scott and Jenn of Walk with History
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We dive into Jenn's visit to St Mere Eglise and the dramatic WW2 events of June 5th and 6th, 1944, as paratroopers from the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions secured the French town of Saint Mère Église during D-Day.

We explore the challenges faced by the troops, including navigational errors and strong winds, that scattered the paratroopers. Highlighting the bravery of Private John Steele, who famously dangled from the town church steeple, this episode also covers the aftermath of the town's liberation and its historical significance.

Furthermore, we discuss the broader strategic implications of D-Day and subsequent operations that led to the liberation of France.

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00:00 The Calm Before the Storm

02:21 Introduction

02:56 Supporting the Podcast

04:45 Exploring Saint Mère Église

05:22 Historical Significance and Personal Stories

07:44 Challenges Faced by Paratroopers

11:03 The Legacy of Saint Mère Église

16:28 The Airborne Museum

21:44 The significance of Normandy and movement to France

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Scott:

It was one of many small towns nestled in Normandy, France,

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occupied by Nazi Germany for years now.

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On the night of June 5th, 1944, its serene streets and humble homes

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were about to become the stage for a pivotal moment in World War II.

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As the clock struck midnight, the tranquility was shattered

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by the hum of aircraft engines.

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Paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division were being dropped into

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the area with a crucial mission to secure Saint Mère Église and

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prevent German reinforcements from reaching the nearby beaches where

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Allied forces would soon land.

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However, the operation did not go as planned.

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Strong winds and navigational errors scattered the paratroopers across

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the countryside, and some even found themselves landing directly in the town

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square, right amidst German troops.

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One such paratrooper was Private John Steele.

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As he descended, his parachute snagged on the steeple of the

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town church, leaving him dangling helplessly above the chaos below.

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Steele, displaying remarkable presence of mind, played dead as the

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battle raged on, hanging there for hours in a surreal tableau of war.

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Despite the unexpected challenges, the paratroopers regrouped and

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launched their assault on the town.

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Fierce fighting ensued, with bullets tearing through the night

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and explosions lighting up the sky.

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By dawn, however, the Allies had gained control of Saint Marie Eglise.

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This victory was a crucial step in securing a foothold in Normandy and

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advancing the liberation of France.

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The bravery and determination of the paratroopers in Saint Marie

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Eglise have not been forgotten.

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The town's church steeple Parachute in tribute to steel's harrowing experience.

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And the Airborne Museum stands as a testament to the soldiers

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who fought and died there.

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Saint Mere Eglis remains a symbol of the courage and sacrifice of the

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allied forces during World War II, a poignant reminder of the high cost

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of freedom, and the incredible spirit of those who fought to preserve it.

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Okay, so today we're going to talk about a town that, that a lot of

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our audience may actually be semi familiar with because it was featured

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prominently in Band of Brothers.

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Yes.

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And you got to visit there, and this is a very, I'll call it,

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American friendly town in France.

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So tell us about Saint Mère Église, one of the first French towns liberated

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after the Normandy D Day invasion.

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Yeah.

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St.

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Marigles.

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Like I had to ask people many times how to pronounce it over and over again.

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And it's, it's also in the longest day.

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So most people will recognize it initially from the longest day.

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And then it does play a big role in Band of Brothers, but this town is

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synonymous with D Day because of what it means for the allied troops, what

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it means in the landing of Utah beach and the airborne, but it's an old town.

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Town in France and it's close to the Normandy Beach It's the first major

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town behind Utah Beach and not far from the beach But it's also on a

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major roadway the n13 Which is this major road that the Allies would need?

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Logistically to get the tanks and the troops and the men into theater to fight

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the Nazis So it's it's a major road It's founded in the 11th century, so

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the earliest records date back to 1080, and the Latin name means Church of St.

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Mary or Holy Mother Church.

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So if you think of St.

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Mary Iglesias, it's like St.

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Mary Church or Mother Mary.

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So that's, the name is very Catholic or Latin Catholic.

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that kind of makes sense, because the town chapel, the

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town church, is very central.

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It's very central.

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And like back in the day, the 10, you know.

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Uh, that's what was the French society was based around the church.

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And so the town was involved in the hundred years war.

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It was involved in the wars of religion.

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This is an old town, but when it comes to D Day, it's such a significant part

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because it's right behind Utah beach.

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And because it's one of the first places that it's going to

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start to see action that night.

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From June 5th from midnight on into June 6th is when the first Jumps will

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start and they start about 1 40 AM.

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You're going to get the 82nd Airborne and the 101st Airborne jumping in that

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area to support the landings of Utah beach again, to, to take control of

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these roads logistically, to be able to get these tanks and these people.

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into France.

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And knowing that the Germans have flooded a lot of the farmland,

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there's a, there's less roads available and this is a major one.

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And so you're going to get this 82nd Airborne, 101st Airborne.

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Now things don't go as planned and people get scattered.

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That's exactly what happens to Dick Winters.

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He gets, he's far away from where he should be.

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And I think that's because a multitude of things, right?

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In the opening, we said, part of it's wins and high, and then this and the

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other, but also, and we talked about it when we did a lot of masters of the air

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content a while back, there was pilots and soldiers that we're talking about, some of

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these pilots who were flying were flying twice as fast as they were supposed to.

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Yeah.

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I mean, people are nervous.

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They were nervous, and and that's what happens in

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what they call, the fog of war.

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You fly too fast, or, the conditions aren't what you're expecting, and all

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of a sudden, these airborne troopers, rather than being within the area that

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they had planned on being dropped, they're getting dropped all over the place.

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Yeah.

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And as much as you can practice this, you have to remember these

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pilots are, are relatively new.

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They've just been trained to be pilots.

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A lot of these guys haven't flown a lot of missions in war.

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A lot of these guys haven't dropped over theater yet.

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Think about it.

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This is our first invasion.

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This is America's first invasion into Europe.

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dropping troops.

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So, those landings started about 1 40 AM, but they result in heavy casualties

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because like you said, going too fast, these paratroopers are very heavy.

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They're carrying 60, 70, 80 pounds on them.

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They're hitting these water areas, which I say are flooded and they're

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flooded more than six feet or seven feet, the basic height of a man.

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And when they have all that weight on them, they basically are drownded.

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And then there was bombing that also happened that night and some

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of these buildings in town caught fire and they illuminated the sky.

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So as these men are jumping, they become targets in the sky.

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And so the Germans who are made aware of this attack happening, come out and are

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able to fire on these men as they land.

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And you get men, Who are descending and hitting telephone poles.

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They're hitting trees and they're easily shot because they're

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not, they're not cut down.

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And this is where you get the John Steele story.

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Yeah, and so that is, I don't think I realized until we started doing

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this, that's based on a true story.

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story.

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It's a very unique story when you think about it, because of all the

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things to get hung up on, you're going to hit a church steeple like

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and then he plays dead, probably for a couple hours.

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And I think you had mentioned in the video that eventually, he's trying

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to cut himself down, he drops his knife, he alerts the German soldier,

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that German soldier tries to shoot him, shoots him in the foot, and

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then another paratrooper shoots that.

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So he actually gets saved because the German who was shooting him gets shot,

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that other, his counterpart, gets shot.

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Eventually, the Germans capture him.

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But when the Airborne takes the town, he takes the purse.

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So it's a very interesting story, especially for a movie like The Longest

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Day, which I haven't watched yet.

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I need to go watch it.

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It's another John Wayne movie.

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Another John Wayne movie, Red Buttons plays John Steele in it.

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John Steele is of the 505th Parachute Infantry.

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He's in the 82nd Airborne.

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So you get the 101st 82nd Airborne that are jumping that night.

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And when I'll talk more about the town looks like today, but like you said,

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he gets hung up on the church steeple.

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And today there is still a mannequin hanging from a parachute on

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the church steeple to tell that story because it's a true story.

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And it's one of those fantastic.

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Truth is stranger than fiction, right?

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Like you can telling the truth is so much more amazing than a

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fictional story would have been.

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Well, and aside from, well, you'll talk a little bit about the

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Airborne Museum that's there in St.

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Mary Eglis, but it's also a way for the town to continue to

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recognize what these men did that

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yeah.

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So when you think about it, this, these first jumps happened

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at 1 40 AM by 5 AM, a force.

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led by the 505th Parachute Regiment took the town with little resistance.

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So think about three hours later, John stills hang in for two hours.

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He gets cut down.

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He's basically prisoner for an hour and then the town is taken by 5 a.

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m.

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So it's one of the.

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first towns liberated by the Americans.

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And that the story, the town is so proud of that story.

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They were under Nazi occupation for four years.

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And here it takes a little less than four hours to take the town back.

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They just even today they embrace that story so much that John Steele

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Mannequin is part of their town.

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It hangs in their town square.

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Now I don't think it's on the right.

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side of the steeple.

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I think he actually in real life was on the other side of the steeple,

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but because that doesn't face the town square, they hang the mannequin

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on the other side for the story.

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in the face.

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Is the trip

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Like you said, he drops his knife.

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He gets shot in the foot.

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He's eventually cut down, but he does help capture the town.

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He goes on to keep fighting.

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The church has since become very much like a shrine.

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to the paratroopers.

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And they have even have stained glass windows with the Virgin

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Mary and paratroopers beside

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It's really cool.

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If you haven't seen our video, the link will be in the show notes of this podcast.

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I would encourage you to go to go see that because one, the movie, The

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Longest Day, we put some clips in there.

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So it shows it's a good representation of what happened that day.

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But to you, you got some shots of the stained glass and it was really neat.

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Cause I actually missed it the first time when I was looking

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through the footage and you said, Hey, no, go back and look at this.

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And so I was able to zoom in and you can see that stained glass.

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I've never seen stained glass like this before with, you see kind of the The St.

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Mary, you see Mary there, classic pose, head, head bent over a little bit.

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But then on the sides right next to her are paratroopers in their paratrooper

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green with a helmet on and boots and a parachute in stained glass.

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It's really beautiful and it's really neat.

Jenn:

Yeah.

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And like we have spoken before, for so many things to go right that night.

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I mean, things went wrong, but so many things to go right.

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that you didn't have as much of a defense by the Nazis and for this

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town to be liberated so quickly.

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We believe that it was some kind of divine intervention there.

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And so for the town to embrace that and put it into something

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permanent, like stained glass with the Virgin Mary beside paratroopers.

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It's just a very interesting thing to see.

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They also have a Joan of Arc in there and a just a generic depiction of

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Jesus, but it's a very beautiful church.

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The church still has remnants of bullet shots and things

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in the side of the church.

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So it's very much still a just a relic of D Day and you can go and see it.

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And the town square is just beautiful, but they Love the story of D Day

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and the liberation of their town so much so that I was there that day.

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80 years later, and they had parades of American tanks, all these French

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men and women dressed as Americans.

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It was very neat.

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And they just embrace Americans so much that there is a monument there.

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to the 82nd and the 101st Airborne.

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And people leave poppies and different things there, but

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they've just embraced that story.

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And if you walk around the town, there are different areas with

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little plaques and things about different paratroopers that fell into.

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this backyard or into this greenhouse or into this garden and what they may have

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come up against or what happened to them.

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And even in different areas, they still have parachutes that they'll hang over

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trees and things just to give you a sense of what the town felt like that day, that

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morning, when all of these, Parachute is basically descended on the town.

Scott:

Yeah, it was, it was really neat to watch it and, and seeing the

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footage the parade footage with, I mean, these are old tanks that are,

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that was even just neat because you don't see that in the States, right?

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You just don't see parades like that.

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And, and these are legitimate old World War II tanks that

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they're driving through the town.

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It was really cool to see

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It was really neat.

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And when you think about these roads are basically a tank wide and they're

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driving these tanks down these cobblestone old roads and people

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are loving it and they're waving and they're just having a great time.

Jenn:

And these tanks look legit.

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Like they could have just, Been made yesterday.

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They've taken such good care of them.

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It's, it's, it was so cool.

Jenn:

So what else they have in st Mariglis if Town Square walk around again

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see the plaques to the different airborne that were there that day But they have the

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entire airborne museum is there and that was a great museum to show what but the

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airborne kind of went through that day.

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They have an example of what it's like to board a C 47 aircraft

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and jump from a C 47 aircraft.

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You get reminiscence of it in Band of Brothers when they're all

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lining up and you have the red light that goes green and they just

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start jumping on the static line.

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It's the same kind of feeling.

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You go through, you walk through, you get to see what it's like,

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dark night the jostling of the aircraft, not knowing where you are

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and you're basically just jumping.

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It also lets you see the amount of weight these men are carrying on them

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because besides their jump gear, they're carrying on whatever ammunition they need.

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They need, they're carrying on whatever gear they need and just

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all the weight they have upon their bodies as they jump not only makes

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them fall to the ground faster.

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And since these men were going low and fast, that was put at them a danger.

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But just.

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the sheer weight if they're going to hit water, they just not going to

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have the time to cut themselves free.

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And that's also when men were hitting burning buildings or burning areas,

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they didn't have the time to redirect themselves because it's so fast and

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you're so heavy that you don't have that opportunity to avoid the fire.

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So you have cases of that as

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If you ever get a chance to see, somebody parachuting or

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something like that, it looks like they're falling relatively slowly.

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You don't realize and you and I I think you you did it for My birthday or

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something one year we went skydiving.

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We did tandem skydiving thing And so I was strapped to somebody who you know

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knew what he was doing and when you're falling you realize how fast you're

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falling But then also you don't realize and that when the parachute pulls it's

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not violent you slow down But then when you get closer to the ground you realize

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how fast you are still falling You know, and that's modern day parachutes.

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These are World War II era, the airborne concept is still relatively new, a

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few years and all the gear and all the other stuff that's going on, right?

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You, you, you add all of that stuff up together.

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together What

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these paratroopers were doing and how they were jumping in

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is pretty incredible and, and.

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very, very dangerous, especially at the time.

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Like today we have much better equipment, much more control for

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your average parachuter coming down.

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So it really was incredible what they were doing.

Jenn:

It was, and that's, this town has embraced that story.

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And that museum has embraced that story.

Jenn:

They actually have the gliders were also a big part of that day.

Jenn:

And they have one of the only examples of the Waco glider there that you can see it.

Jenn:

So gliders are big.

Jenn:

If we ever talk about the Pegasus bridge The English had the gliders where you

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could get about 40 men, 30 men in a glider

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we referenced them, I think, Latin last week or the week before his episode.

Jenn:

it's quiet.

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You don't hear it and they can land and they can really

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land right under your nose.

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That's why they took the Pegasus Bridge so easily.

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But they have an example of it in there.

Jenn:

I want people to remember two paratroopers as much as they're known for jumping.

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Jumping is just the easiest basic part of what they're doing.

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They're soldiers.

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They're there to fight.

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They're there.

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They're infantry.

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When you think about it, they're there to fight.

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Jumping is just how they get there.

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And once they're there, they just become, they become

Jenn:

soldiers, ground troops, ground

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It's a smaller part of their training than people realize.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And so yeah, getting the jump right is so important, but getting the jump

Jenn:

right is, is the easiest basic part.

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And then you're going to have to start fighting a war.

Jenn:

And that's what you know, when you see in Band of Brothers,

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jumping in is how they get there.

Jenn:

But it's really when they get on the ground and then they have to

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start doing the tactics, the ground tactics that comes into play.

Jenn:

So it's, you're, you're like double the soldier there.

Jenn:

But I really loved being in that town.

Jenn:

I recommend if you're going to go visit France and Normandy, you have to go to St.

Jenn:

Mere Eglis.

Jenn:

I think of all the towns associated with D Day, it is the most important one.

Jenn:

It is the one that was in support of Utah Beach.

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It is the.

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first one liberated.

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It is, they have embraced that story there.

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They love Americans there.

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You can see the mannequin of John Steele on the steeple there.

Jenn:

And it's just a place.

Jenn:

They have recently unveiled a statue of President Eisenhower, General

Jenn:

Eisenhower, as he preferred to be called, but in full World War II uniform.

Jenn:

So it looks like the statue at the D Day memorial.

Jenn:

and the statue at his at his presidential museum in Kansas.

Jenn:

So that is also right there beside the steeple as well.

Jenn:

So it's a great place to go and visit.

Scott:

Yeah, it was a fun video to make because it's much more, able

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to be a little more celebratory with a video like this and the

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topic was really, really neat.

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With the successful securing of Saint Mère Église and the other key towns on

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D Day, the Allied forces turned their attention to using these strategic points

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to push further into occupied France.

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The beaches of Normandy became a crucial supply and reinforcement

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hubs for the advancing troops.

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From these beachheads, the Allies initiated Operation Overlord, the

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codename for the Battle of Normandy.

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This involved a series of meticulously planned operations

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to break through German defenses and liberate occupied territories.

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One of the first objectives was to link the five beachheads,

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ensuring that they would be safe.

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A continuous front line and facilitating the movement of troops and supplies.

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As the Allied forces advanced, they encountered fierce resistance

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from entrenched German troops.

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The hedgerows of the Normandy countryside provided natural defensive positions,

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making progress slow and costly.

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Despite this, the Allies pressed on, employing coordinated infantry, armor,

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and air support to overcome the obstacles.

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key towns such as Carentan, Caen, and Bordeaux.

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And Saint Lô became major battlegrounds.

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The capture of the French port city, Caen, in particular was

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critical due to its strategic location and transportation network.

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The British and Canadian forces faced weeks of intense fighting before

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finally securing the town in mid July.

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The liberation of these towns allowed the Allies to establish vital supply

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lines and command posts, enabling them to sustain their push into France.

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The breakout from the Normandy beach has begun.

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culminated in Operation Cobra, launched in late July 1944.

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This offensive aimed to exploit the weakened German positions

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and achieve a rapid advance through the French countryside.

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The operation succeeded beyond expectations, leading to the encirclement

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of German forces in the Falaise pocket in their eventual retreat.

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With the German defenses in disarray, the Allies surged forward, liberating

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Paris by the end of August.

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The momentum continued as they drove towards the German border, liberating

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town after town and village after village.

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The successful use of the Normandy beachheads and towns as springboards

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for further operations was a testament to the meticulous planning

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and bravery of the Allied forces.

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Their efforts paved the way for the eventual liberation of France.

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And the ultimate defeat of Nazi Germany, marking a turning point in World War II.

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