This episode of The Breaking Point Podcast features a deep, powerful conversation with Dr Bishop Kevin Foreman about spirituality, religion, Christianity, trauma, healing, mental health, self-improvement, leadership, emotional intelligence, and personal transformation. We explore how the Bible is interpreted today, how religion can be used or misused, why modern spirituality is on the rise, and how faith, personal development, and psychology overlap to help people find purpose, identity, and direction. This episode dives into childhood trauma, breaking generational cycles, resilience, mindset, self-awareness, emotional healing, and the spiritual principles behind success, growth, and inner peace.

We discuss Christian leadership, the role of a bishop, faith-based coaching, spiritual growth, trauma recovery, mental resilience, emotional wellness, self-reflection, and how to rebuild your life after a breaking point. Dr Foreman shares real stories about overcoming adversity, navigating difficult environments, and transforming pain into power. We look at how spirituality supports mental health, how to overcome fear and self-doubt, and how emotional intelligence shapes relationships, ambition, career, and personal success. The episode blends psychology, faith, spiritual coaching, and self-help strategies for anyone wanting to heal, grow, evolve, and become more aligned with their true purpose.

If you’re searching for content on spiritual awakening, Christian spirituality, trauma healing, self-growth, faith and mental health, purpose and identity, overcoming adversity, leadership development, mindset shifts, emotional healing, resilience, self-discovery, or the intersection of religion and psychology, this episode is packed with practical insights. Watch until the end for Dr. Foreman’s most transformative breaking-point moment — a powerful story of healing, breakthrough, and spiritual transformation that will inspire anyone on their journey of growth, faith, and inner change.

Often the Bible will be used to back up what they've already chosen to believe versus well, this is teaching me what to believe.

And that's what I mean by that.

You torture it enough, you can justify anything.

We have people here in America.

People will use it to justify treating people poorly.

The fact that religion can be used to manipulate and to justify things that are not deemed admirable, not deemed beneficial.

And therefore people say we should just dispel with religion entirely because it is.

Potentially, to me, spirituality is, is the very essence of who I am.

And who I am is constantly evolving and changing.

And I believe that's what Jesus preached and taught and showed us.

And so I'm not one of these people who's anti religion.

I just prefer the term spiritual and spirituality because that's innate to who we are.

Hello, everyone.

Welcome back to another episode of the Breaking Point podcast.

Today we are here with Dr. Bishop.

Form and call name.

Tell the people what it is that you are and then we'll work from there.

Well, listen, well, first of all, again, thank you so much for having me.

Glad to be with you today.

Listen, I use my life to change the lives of other people.

The moniker that you see behind me, people call me the people's Bishop.

So a lot of what I do is in the realm of, from spiritual formation and as a leader of a pastor as well as a pastor, two pastors is what a bishop is.

But I do so much beyond that in my work and impacting the lives of people, essentially helping people to.

And I told you this before we got going, to take those breaking points and turn those into breakthroughs.

I think at every time you had a breaking point that either turns into a breakdown or breakthrough.

And so that's really, if you were to distill everything that I do, whether it's the coaching I do for executives and entrepreneurs and everyday people, whether it is the foundation where we've given away over 30,000 toys, £250,000 of food, over, you know, 250,000 articles of clothing, million dollars to missions, or if you take the ministry, Harvest Church, which has reached over 12,000 people in terms of professions of faith, where hybrid church and buildings end to align.

And we just moved our headquarters from Denver to Atlanta, Georgia, and we'll be starting a new location here.

Or it's the business work that I do in the for profit sector and mergers and acquisitions and that type of a deal, anything that I do, ultimately it involves some type of breaking point which becomes a breakthrough or a breakdown.

They call Me, the people's business, because I genuinely love people.

I love to connect with people, see people become their best.

And it doesn't matter what a person's background is, whether that's business or arts and entertainment media, it doesn't really matter.

Everybody's gonna face these things, and the way we face them determines how we move forward.

That is literally why the podcast is called the Breaking Point Podcast.

Because my final question, which we'll hopefully get to, is, what was your most notable Breaking Point?

So there's a little preview, and that'll give you some time to think about that when we come to it.

And yeah, I think it was Marshall McLune or I think he was a Canadian, either economist or philosopher or something.

And he said that breakdown is breakthrough.

He said a couple of other things, but, yeah, absolutely.

I think the.

I mean, it's become a bit of a cliche, but actually it's something that we don't really is one of those weird ideas that is said a lot, but we don't truly understand what it means.

So it needs to still be said so that we can get a further grip on it.

So let's go into your background.

Where did you start?

I've read a little bit about your.

I've seen your timeline that's on your website.

But tell people how you got into this and what you think are the key aspects of leading to where you are now.

Sure, sure.

You know, so the.

The joke is, I came out of my mom's room with a Bible and a briefcase.

I just always had this affinity towards spirituality and success in business.

I always saw those two things as just keystones of who I was.

I didn't see those as enemies.

And sometimes people see them as enemies.

I never saw those that enemies still don't see those as enemies.

I think it is because of my spirituality that I have success.

And success is bigger than money.

It's bigger than things.

It's about the impact that you make in the lives of other people.

And so to me, you're not a success until you have success stories, success awards, people who have benefited from what you bring to the earth.

And so I got in ministry when I was 12, as a drummer, and I was horrible when I started.

My goodness, I couldn't keep the beat.

You know, I was horrible.

But I got good.

Eventually was inducted into the Colorado Gospel Music hall of Fame.

And then simultaneously, that's when I started my first business.

And so I was.

There's this bank in Denver called Young Americans bank, and there's a picture of me when I'm 12, holding up my business plan.

And because we pioneered that business plan and their business loan program, now I offer financial products.

Yeah.

When I was 12.

Yeah, yeah.

They had a special charter to offer financial products to.

To individuals under 18.

And so I got started early.

And so my life.

I remember praying a crazy prayer.

And it sounds crazy because, like, who praised this?

My prayer was accelerate my destiny.

I wanted to do what I was supposed to do and I wanted to do it early.

And that came with a lot of breaking points, a lot of what I endured as a kid.

You know, I have an amazing mom.

She's my greatest fan to this day.

After anything I do, I'll have a text from her saying, you did amazing.

That was great.

She's amazing.

But I was raised in a house with an abusive stepfather.

He was a womanizer.

He was abusive to my mother.

He was just everything.

You look at a man and say, those are the things I don't want.

He had most of those qualities.

And so I had to really grow up in an environment where I was beholding something that I didn't want to become.

And so you mentioned breaking points.

That was one of those early breaking points of saying either I become what I'm seeing or I choose to break through this and become something different.

I chose the latter of the two.

And so I looked at a lot of the trauma and drama that I saw and I said, I'm not going to be this.

So sometimes we're given trauma and drama as a gift, I believe, to help us see what not to be, what not to do, how not to act.

So, you know, that was one of those early starts.

And by 21, I built Denver's largest black owned real estate finance brokerage or mortgage company.

And.

And that was amazing.

And then I watched that industry collapse.

It wasn't just my business, that whole industry collapsed.

We just opened a second office.

We were doing amazing.

Here you go.

Another breaking point.

So I said, what am I going to do from this?

Because I literally went from making more revenue in one month than most people make in decades, some in lifetimes, and to nothing.

Like it set down over the weekend like it was flying high on Friday and by Monday it's like a bloodbath.

What are you going to do?

No, well, no.

So before that.

So that's when the industry really started to collapse.

And you saw the titans of industry begin to collapse.

Washington Mutual, Countrywide, all the.

One of the big banks we used back then was called IndyMac Bank.

And you literally just watched, watched the collapse at that time.

And so when you're on the brokerage side, all that stuff hits way before it hits Wall street or what have you.

So that industry collapsed and so that became a breaking.

What am I going to do?

I'm an entrepreneur.

I'm industrious.

The same time I was an associate pastor and so I worked in ministry again since 12.

So I was doing that simultaneously.

And what am I going to do?

I tried every business.

You know, I'm an entrepreneur.

So, you know, there's a Bible verse that says a man that doesn't work doesn't eat.

So I said, I like to eat, so I need to work.

What am I going to do?

And I tried every type of industry, every type of business, every type of everything.

And I was faxing out 40 resumes a day because there was no monster.com and indie.

There was none of that at the time, or whatever.

You know, different countries, whatever they have.

So scratch out 40 resumes a day.

Pizza delivery places wouldn't reach out to me.

You know, we're too qualified.

I could get a role as an administrative assistant.

They said, you're too qualified.

I said, you guys don't understand business.

You want somebody that's overqualified.

You know, I'm not going to be here forever, but at least milk me for everything you could get.

During that time.

I was like, you don't understand business, sir.

You know, that can be for everybody the weight on.

But nonetheless, another one of those breaking points.

And.

And I broke through that and built bigger, better, stronger.

And I've got tons of stories that, that are like that in life where there's these breaking points that I just constantly had to make the choice, Breakthrough, breakthrough, Don't break down.

That is definitely something we're going to get into.

And I have to say, before you were recording, Dr. Form is the first ever person that's told me that he loves the name of the podcast.

I think it's a great name.

But I've never had that compliment before, so I really appreciate that.

That's really.

That's going to.

I'll remember.

And I just want to come back to love you.

Yeah, I just want to go back to your childhood and growing up with a abusive stepfather.

I don't know how much we can get into that, but it made me, you know, as my brain works as I'm talking, it's not going to be as eloquent as you spoke, but we'll go with it.

It made me think of the idea that are people fundamentally good or fundamentally bad?

Which is something that's essential to religion.

I mean, you haven't actually used the word religion yet you use the word spirituality.

So I don't know how you differentiate between the two.

I don't know what religion maybe means to you and what spirituality means to you.

So maybe we could clarify that before I go on.

Sure, absolutely.

So to me, you know, we are spirits.

So you know, I believe we're tri part beings, that we are spirits.

As to subconscious mind, we live as a physical body and we possess souls, mind, thoughts, willing emotions, conscious mind, thoughts, will and emotions.

To me, the difference between religion, if one was to define my religion, technically that'd be Christianity.

But I think there's something greater than just religion.

To me, religion is man's futile attempt to get to God.

To me, spirituality is the very nature and essence of who we are connecting to God.

So for me, that's what that means.

It is.

To me, religion is a very unproductive way to be performative.

To me, spirituality is, this is the very essence of who I am.

And who I am is constantly evolving and changing.

And I believe that's what Jesus preached and taught and showed us.

And so I'm not one of these people who's anti religion.

I just prefer the term spiritual and spirituality because that's innate to who we are versus I'm doing these things to become it is.

This is who I am.

So I do these things.

I was watching a video a while ago and this guy was talking about like most people who end up abusing children were abused as children.

But most people who were abused as abused as children don't end up abusing children.

So you can imagine that if it was a direct correlation, before you know it, within a few generations the whole it would be an absolute nightmare and everything would be falling apart.

But because the majority of people who are abused as children don't go on to abuse children, it doesn't happen.

It doesn't sort of spread like wildfire and just dissipate out of control.

So what do you think it is that makes people, Is it innate?

When people see wrong, they recognize wrong even at a young age and they make the decision to go and not be like that.

I mean, my mum had pretty awful childhood with both of her parents being very emotionally abusive.

And she's always said she would never ever treat her children like that, but she could quite easily have not have made that decision.

So do you understand where I'm getting that?

Where do you think that comes from?

Just that.

Yeah, I think to your question, I think some of that is innate.

I think right and wrong predicated upon your environment is very subjective and very relative because there are people who can do things that just.

It's right to me.

So I think it's very subjective and relative.

I think there is a innate thing that is in us all that speaks to whether or not I would want this to be done to me, back to even your.

Your postulation there, that I don't want this to be done to me.

So there's something that says, well, I shouldn't do this.

Right?

It's kind of like if you punch the clown and the clown punches back, it's like, well, I probably shouldn't punch the clown.

I don't want the reaction that I receive from that action.

And so I think innately that's what's there.

And then for me, it is.

It is a very spiritual thing that I, you know, that what is right and wrong, what is moral and immoral, I believe comes from, in my view, it comes from me.

That comes from a biblical basis, but in the.

Through the lens of spirituality.

Because, you know, the Bible is one of those things that, you know, you torch it enough, you can make it say whatever you want it to say.

As is anything, right?

You torture someone or something enough, you'll make it say whatever you want it to say.

You scratch something hard enough, it'll say what you want it to say.

Say, you can scratch out letters.

The principle there is, I think.

What do you mean by that?

That.

Go ahead.

Sorry.

What do you mean by that?

Yeah, sure.

So, you know, a lot of times people will say, especially in today's culture where you've got a lot of.

Everybody's an expert, everybody's a guru, Everybody's got a YouTube, everybody's got something to say, generally speaking.

So for me, a person who works.

Right.

A podcast, right.

As we do one.

Yeah.

But everybody's got a what they want something to what they want to believe.

And then often the Bible will be used to back up what they've already chosen to believe versus well, this is teaching me what to believe.

And that's what I mean by that.

You torture it enough, you can Justify anything.

We have people here in America who will use it to justify treating people poorly, treating people without respect, treating people without decency, doing it in the name of, if you believe this, you should be a part of this political party.

If you believe this, you should vote this way.

You should vote on this issue.

And so that's my point.

You can torture it enough to make it say what you want to say.

And that's true about anything in life.

If you torture it enough because you already have your underlying belief, you're just looking for what we call confirmation bias, looking for things to confirm what you've already decided to believe versus letting it set the stage for what you believe.

I like the second of the two versus the person.

That is one of the biggest like intellectual scrutinizations of religion.

Is that what you.

I think that's literally, I think it is what you literally just laid out.

It's that the fact that religion can be used to manipulate and to justify things that are not deemed admirable, not deemed beneficial.

And therefore people say like the phrase throw the baby out with the bath water, which just dispel with religion entirely because it is potentially corruptible.

But the, I would argue that the problem with that is that anything in life is potentially corruptible.

So people will say religion causes, religion causes tribalism, it causes like feuds between people.

And I would say have you ever been to a North London derby in England, which is the Tottenham, which is a football match between Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenal.

And you'll realize that religion isn't the only thing that causes tribalistic behaviors.

That is a part of human nature is how you work with that and it's what you do with that.

The one of the Testament commandments is don't use the Lord's name in vain.

And that is people often growing up, I can remember being taught that, that men don't say oh my God or Jesus Christ or something like that.

But actually what I've learned, what I've learned to, what I've discovered recently is it actually means don't use what is highest as justify your own hedonistic or self serving desires and attitudes.

And that is something that, that people do a lot of nowadays.

Oh sure.

What do you.

Yeah, let's talk about.

I mean one thing I was wondering is what actually is a bishop?

Oh sure, great question.

Pastor to pastors.

So not Roman Catholic, but a bishop is not a Catholic thing.

So it is a pastor to pastors.

Best way to view it, every general needs a general.

Every coach, he's a coach.

Every leader needs a leader.

So much of what my work is, is in leading leaders.

It's in pouring into leaders, it's in building.

And again, that's not just for me on the church side or ministry.

That's really my life as a whole, is that the people who tend to gravitate towards me are people who sit in seats of leadership, sit in seats of influence.

But they need someone to be that for them.

And every smart person has that they recognize.

The one who says, I don't need anybody to tell me anything is the one that is about to repeat everything he's ever done dumb in life.

Yeah.

Okay, that's fair enough.

You work with who, who do you, who do you work with?

Do you work with entrepreneurs and you work with people of influence?

Yeah, a little bit of everybody.

So it just depends.

So, you know, I, I, part of my coaching, I coach, you know, everybody from, you know, the everyday person to the single mom to the single dad, to the person struggling to figure out what to do next in life, to the, to the PhD, to the lawyer, to the doctor, to the millionaire, to the, you know, almost billionaire, whatever it is.

It's a variety of people that, that I, from a coaching standpoint, that I work with.

The key, I think the substrat, all of it is about, you know, impacting people's lives.

And that's the key.

That's the key for me.

But it's really everybody.

You can't say it's white, you can't say it's black.

It's everybody.

It's here, it's there, it's everywhere.

So it's really all over the place.

And do you.

In a good way?

In a good way?

Of course.

Yeah, definitely.

And is religion and spirituality a key aspect?

Is it deeply infused with your method?

What is, what is your, like, method of coaching?

Is it.

Great question.

So contingent.

It is, but it's.

It's from the substratum, though, right?

So every person that I coach and work with isn't necessarily a Christian, but the substratum of the principles that we're going to go through are inherently Christian in practice.

So let me just give a quick example of that.

This scripture, Luke 6:30.

Given, it shall be given unto you good measure, pressed down, second together, running over.

The point is whatever you want to receive, you first have to release.

That's a principle.

God is not just the God of Christians, he's the God of universe.

So the principles work no matter what.

If you work the principles.

The principles work.

If I was coaching, for example, a chief executive, and they were saying to me, bishop or Doc or chief is what most business owners call me.

They call me chief because that's just the way they like it.

Is it chief?

My business is stagnant.

What's the problem?

So if we were to go through a breakdown to figure out what the problem is, what most people would do is look at the process, look at the people, look at the product.

My approach would not just be to look at that.

My approach would be to say, all right, what are we needing to increase?

Because that's what we need to release, meaning it's sowing and reaping.

There's a principle here that we're not putting into place.

And so it's not just looking at it from a very pragmatic standpoint, but it's also a principal standpoint.

So that's how the spirituality aspect of it is an example of how you work that in there.

Because, you know, for many people, it's not that they don't have a great product, not they don't have a great process, not they don't have great people.

It's that they're just principles that they're just not activating, they're just not using, they're just not implementing in what they do.

And many times those things bleed over into organizational management, organizational structures, systems, the way they do things.

Sometimes people are antiquated not realizing, you know, they need to be investment.

So that's a business example.

But if I was dealing with a person, another example of that would be, all right, so let me tell me the challenge that you're having.

And then we begin to systematically break that challenge down and then come up with steps, structures that people can use on a daily basis to not get on the other side of that challenge.

So somebody comes to me and they got a breaking point situation.

Then we say, all right, so now here are your choices, and now here's the path.

Let's walk it out.

That's why I don't even like to call.

When I do counseling, I call it coaching.

Because coaches are designed to get you to win.

You know, that's a very different approach than, say, a counseling patient or client or what have you.

The nomenclature that you use has a very different approach, because the goal isn't just for you to feel better.

The goal is for you to go.

Yeah, no, coaching is a.

Is.

I don't.

Did I use the term counseling?

Forgive me.

If I did, I would.

No, no, no, that's okay.

No, no, no, no, I don't think you did.

No, I don't think you did.

I just said that's why I do that.

Yeah, coaching is a, is a, is a much better term.

Do.

What do you think at which point in society and general life do you think religion is needed the most nowadays?

Where are we lacking religion, honestly?

Oh my God.

So I'm going to say this.

I don't know that I think that we're necessarily lacking religion.

I think what we are lacking is the practice of the principles of religion in this sense that, you know, there are a lot of people who espoused to be, and this will kind of get in the weeds, but it's just what it is.

It is what it is.

A lot of people espouse, let's just use America for example, that they are Bible believing Christians and right now let's espouse that.

Great.

But then you look at how they practice policy, how they practice politics, how they deal with other people and you're saying these two things don't align.

This is disingenuous.

So I don't think that we need more of it.

I think that what we need is more, more practice of it.

I think that what we need is more of the implementation of the principles.

Because it's not just either.

Either what you believe transforms you or you take what you already believe and slap it on whatever you, you know, whatever your faith is.

Right.

So because I already believe, I don't like this group of people, I'm going to slap Jesus on it.

I'm going to slap Christianity on it.

I'm going to slap the Bible on it.

And I find that to be disingenuous.

And I think that's the real issue that many people run into.

You made the reference earlier where some people say, throw out the baby with the bathwater.

I think that conclusion comes because it's like, well, you say this, but then I look at what you do and they seem to clash.

So I don't think that we need more, but I just think we need more practice of it that would solve the majority of the problems.

Because again, I think when you look at every culture, every country, there's some systemic issues that are cultural, societal, but then there's some individual things.

And I think from that individual standpoint, principles, the same.

I don't just need to say, just, you know, I'm a Christian, I'm a this, I'm a this, I got on my, my courage, hoodie, all that.

I don't just need to Say it.

I need to actually practice it.

Yeah.

And if I practice it, it changes it.

That comes back to the thing I was literally talking about earlier, how people are using what's highest to justify.

I think there's a huge issue with that at the moment and politics is awash with it and it's.

People are, every day people are falling prey to it more and more and it's absolutely spot on.

There's a famous psychologist who I'm not sure you know, called Jordan Peterson.

And if you've heard of him, whether or not you like him or not, or agree with him or disagree with him, he opened my eyes up to the concept of belief and what it actually means to believe.

Because people ask him, do you believe in God?

And he gets a lot of stick and criticism for his answer.

Because his answer is always, well, what do you mean by the word believe?

Because you could say I believe in God and then you can do the complete opposite or you can not believe, say you don't believe in God and then act in a God fearing religious star manner, which all these phrases that I'm using are open to subjectivity, but we don't have time to get into them.

So belief is a really key crux of the question.

What does it mean to believe?

What do you think it means to believe in something?

Good point.

I think one, it's to accept it as truth, accept it as your reality, and then finally to accept it as the compass which guides you so that you're constantly in this alignment to what you say you believe.

You know, it's like in our cars you've got the navigation that's constantly trying to get you to your destination.

And so it's constantly rerouting you.

No, take this street.

No, take this street.

Now you're going north, now you're going this way.

It's constantly bringing you back into alignment.

So to me that's what belief means.

And I don't think that to believe means that you don't have doubts.

Doubts.

To me, doubt is not the presence of being an unbeliever or non believer.

Doubt is simply the presence of uncertainty.

And I think that's the very essence.

Now you go a little deeper.

That's the very essence of faith.

There's a scripture that says the faith is the substance of things hoped for.

If I'm hoping for something, I don't have it.

The substance of things not seen.

If I can't see it, that means I don't have it.

So the very essence of faith is that There are going to be these moments in these places and stages where I'm not certain, but based on what I choose to believe.

Joe, that sat nav analogy is really, really clever.

Actually.

It's true.

It's like you're aiming at a direction, you're inevitably going to go off course.

Well, it's slightly different because maybe you could make the argument that when existential sat nav you can't actually see the path laid out as clearly as you can with a literal sat nav, but either way it will redirect you.

I mean maybe you could use it.

The conscience.

That's something that I love talking about, the concept of a conscience.

And what actually is a conscience?

Where does that come from?

What is it?

How powerful is it?

I, I think that Jesus is potentially a depiction of the individual that abides by their conscious to 100% or like, you know, all these topics of like self actualization and the idea that there's lots of differing angles that all converge at the same point around the same mark.

And I, I think that a conscience is one of those central marks of the human existence.

And I don't know, I don't know what you think about conscience.

I don't know if you, how you feel your conscience, what does it, do you understand what I mean?

What does it feel like to you?

How do you engage in dialogue with it?

Oh sure, you know, again I would refer, I would call that, you know, the spirit of a person, you know, your subconscious.

And you know, and so to me, you know, I view it that way and so I view it in that tripart being which is a biblical principle, that that's who we really are.

This is not us, that subconscious, also known as our spirit.

So if you want to get real technical, Old Testament, it's the word ruach, New Testament, it's the word cardia, excuse me, pneuma.

But, but if you, if you look at that, that's the essence, that's us, that's who we really are.

Now we live in a body, this body is not us.

And we possess a mindsets, thoughts, will and emotions.

And those two things work in conjunction because there are certain things you can feel, but it not necessarily align with, you know, with who you, the real essence of who you are, right?

You can feel, you can feel cold in a particular moment.

That doesn't mean you're a cold hearted person.

You can feel, you can feel something, you can have a will to do something.

We possess these things.

I don't think we are these things.

That's why we can change our thoughts.

If I am my thoughts, I can't change them them because I can't change me.

But if I can change my thoughts, then that goes into the tapestry that I believe is that tri part existence.

Yes.

The idea that we're not our thoughts or our emotions, we're the awareness that sits sort of underneath them.

And I think that's a really key aspect to like life.

That's exactly it.

That's exactly it.

Yeah.

A lot of guidance and advice sort of stems from that idea.

I, we're.

I, we're running out of time.

I want to give you one o'.

Clock.

I want to ideally finish a few minutes before just in case you really do have to like go into a straight.

Another course.

The Breaking Point podcast, as we already addressed at the beginning.

What is your breaking point or what was your breaking point?

Ah, you know what?

I think one of my biggest breaking points, and I mentioned a few already, one of my biggest breaking points, which I think, which I look back on and see as a really pivotal moment that changed the trajectory, you know, of what I would do in life.

I was 16 years old and we were coming home from a New Year's service, which, you know, here in the States we call them watch night services.

And so just a New Year's church service, he just bring in the new year.

And so it's at midnight.

And so we were driving home.

I was 16, just got this new car, it was an Infiniti G20.

And you know, I got it on my own because again, you know, I've been in business and stuff since a kid.

So I had, you know, had the money for it and what have you.

And I get in this car accident.

It was snowing, light snow, getting this car accident.

The car spins, it goes out of control, out of control, out of control.

And I hit this curve curb.

That's all I hit was this curb.

And a bus stop.

One of the bus stops was like a bench.

So there's only, you know, the flat bench, then the two cement, you know.

You know, you know, I can't even think of it.

Two things.

Submit, you know, things that sits on top of.

I don't know, I can't think of that.

And then the back of the, of the bus stop, the feet will call it because I don't really know what you call it.

I don't know what color looks like.

I'm trying to.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They said I don't know, but everybody.

Yeah.

And so I hit that Car spins and I get out of the car.

So I wanted to America, we survived because the car spins several times.

Get out of the car and I'm not hurt.

My sister was in the driving in the passenger seat.

She's not hurt either.

And I look at the car and there's these gashes on the side of the car.

And I said, that's weird, because all I did was hit the bus stop and the curb.

Well, the bus stop just has that flat seat and it's knocked back, so I don't know what else it hit.

And then the curb.

Well, the curb is too low to the ground for there to be these gashes in the side of the car.

I. I get out of the car and I look at that and I remembered feeling.

I won't go too deep into what I think the gashes were, except to say.

I remember feeling like that night my life shifted in a way to where I felt like, you better get serious about your purpose in the earth.

Like, what are you supposed to do?

You gotta find that out and find that out quickly, because life isn't promised it could change just like that.

And so that night, I remember I went home, I prayed.

Yeah.

And it was just one of those things I just said, this is like, life could change real fast, you know, and how did all of this happen and what have you?

So I took that as a spiritual sign.

I took that as a sign.

And I think everybody that deals with a breaking point, you gotta take it as a sign.

It's pointing you to something else.

And for me, it pointed me to say, what are you on the earth to do?

And so I went home, I prayed a prayer.

And that started me on the path that would eventually be some of what I do today and the work that I do today.

But it all.

I can trace much of it back to that particular moment where I felt like my life was not just in balance, but I felt like it was almost like an attack.

Like this was.

This was my purpose, being under siege.

So I need to figure out what it is.

I need to figure out what I'm supposed to do.

And sometimes I think those moments we face and those moments we encounter, they can almost feel like an attack to cause us to begin to counter attack.

And that's what I did that night.

I literally.

I wrote my first message that night, and I decided that I wanted to use my life to change lives.

I didn't know particularly how I was going to do it.

I didn't know particularly what I was going to do.

I just knew that at that moment I made the decision that my life exists to change the lives of other people.

And I'll figure the rest of it out.

But I made that decision that night, December 31st, going into January 1st, when I was 16 years old.

And ever since then, I honored that decision.

Was that before or after you said that you prayed for your destiny to be brought to you in an expeditious manner?

That's such a great question.

That's such a great question.

That was after.

And you know what?

You.

So here's another aha moment.

You just brought that to me.

I have never thought about that until you just said that.

Good.

I've never even thought about that until you just said.

And it was after that.

Yeah, that's part two.

There you go.

FIFA.

Dr. Foreman's prayers were answered.

Yours can be, too.

Just have faith.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Where can people find you?

Bishopforman.com F O-R-E-M-A-N.com there's books, music, messages, more.

That's going to add value to people's life.

And I think what some of your audience will really appreciate, too, is even when I'm teaching spiritual principles, I am presenting them in a way that doesn't make people abandon reason and intellectuality and thought.

I'm presenting it in a way that I think many people will appreciate.

Because I think sometimes, and this was one of my challenges before I was a pastor, it was like, okay, but what about this and what about that?

What about this and what about that?

And it wasn't from a doubtful or cynical place.

It was from a real pragmatic place.

I think people appreciate that.

But Bishopformat.com, they got books on there.

Coaching is on there.

Resources are on there.

So many things they connect with on all social medias is bishopformat.

F O R E M A M says look for the blue check.

There's a lot of fake pages of me out there, especially on TikTok.

There's like over a hundred fake profiles of me.

So just make sure that you go to the one with the blue check so you get the right one.

Sam.