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May 19, 2025 | 2 Samuel 19-21
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00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:11 Monday Motivation with Jolt and Surge

02:41 G3 Conference Controversy

05:52 Lessons from Leadership Failures

07:35 Bible Talk: 2 Samuel 19-21

10:14 David's Leadership and Final Battles

19:13 Concluding Prayer and Farewell

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PJ:

Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another edition

of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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It's Monday and we're

happy to have you here.

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Thank you for doing this.

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We're glad to join you

in your Bible reading.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Can a privilege actually,

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Rod: yeah.

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Mondays are a great opportunity

to jump into the word and and to

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jumpstart things because it's hard

sometimes to get up on Monday and

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get after what's in front of us.

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PJ: Dude, lemme just tell you, I started

going back to my caffeine habit again.

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Yeah.

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On the, in the mornings, and it's changed.

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Transformative, formative.

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Yeah.

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I think I, man, I don't

know what I was doing.

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I was wrong.

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I, now that I'm back to it.

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I'm just thinking this is the

way life is supposed to be.

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It's a common grace.

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It is so good.

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Man, I just, I, we were talking about

Surge and what was the other one?

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Jolt.

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Jolt.

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Those probably had 60 grams of caffeine.

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I don't know.

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In fact, let's find out what was the

caffeine content of Jolt and Surge?

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Those were back in the

what, two thousands?

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Yeah.

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Nineties.

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I'm gonna guess 150 milligrams.

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Content of Jolt.

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Let's do Jolt.

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Okay.

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That 'cause that one had they were trying

to say we have a lot of caffeine in this.

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I'm pretty sure these were 12 ounce cans.

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I know S was, yes.

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Okay.

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The caffeine content of Jolt Cola

varies on the size of the can.

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So a 12 ounce can?

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Normal can, right?

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Yep.

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71 milligrams.

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Ooh, wow.

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71.

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You don't even, I don't, I think decaf

coffee has that much caffeine in it now.

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Now, yeah.

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And, okay.

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What was the other one?

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Jolt.

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Jolt.

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Okay.

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In search, probably the

same amount I would imagine.

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51 what?

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51 milligrams.

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That's an irregular caffeine drink today.

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Rod: So just to put that in

perspective for everybody, bang

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right is an energy drink and I

don't know how big those cans are.

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16 ounce.

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16 ounce can of bang has 300 milligrams.

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That's six cans of surge.

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PJ: Yeah.

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That's insane.

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That's why I stick with monsters,

which only has 150 milligrams.

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Bang is on a day where I'm really

struggling bang will mess with you.

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My

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Rod: pre-workout drink has three 50.

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That's insane.

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Three 50.

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That's insane.

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PJ: Oh,

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Rod: I, I remember there was one time

I drank a bang back in California

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before going up to, to preach.

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In in the bridge in our college ministry.

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And it was like the first time

that I had one you and floating.

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I, no, I got down and my heart was

like, it was like race afterwards.

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I sat down, afterwards and my

wife was next to me and she

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was like, you're gonna be okay.

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I was like I have no idea.

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I think I'm done.

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Yeah, this could be it, sweetheart.

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PJ: Tachycardia.

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Yeah, so obviously we drink

a lot of caffeine today.

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We drink a lot of caffeine today.

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It's a common grace of God.

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C can you overdo it?

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Yes.

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Yes you can.

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And your body will tell you, interestingly

enough, for most people, you'll know

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when you're having too much, when

it actually has the reverse effect,

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you start getting sleepy and tired.

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Your body starts saying, this is too

much and I can't cooperate with this.

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Shut down.

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Or like you, you have heart palpitations.

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Yeah.

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And that could be really pretty scary.

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Rod: Yeah, I can.

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No, for sure.

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Speaking of heart palpitations, yes,

that's an interesting transition.

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Some of you may be familiar with G three.

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G three is a church network and

it's stepped in, in the void of,

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together for the gospel, together

for the gospel was a conference that

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was put on every other year and it

was held in Louisville, Kentucky.

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And our church got to go to it.

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Our sending church got

to go to it a few times.

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It was real sweet, just a time of our

church to spend time with other churches.

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And the whole idea was, as the

name would imply, that we're coming

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together for the common gospel.

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We're setting aside secondary,

tertiary issues and really uniting.

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Over the primary issue of

the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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They stopped a couple of years ago,

and G three kind of rose to the surface

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as this replacement conference, though

they wouldn't have billed themselves

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that way, but it was the next one.

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It was similar to our theological

stripe and churches were

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going to these conferences.

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It was held in Atlanta,

I believe, each year.

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And it was just a time to get together,

to be encouraged, to be built up to,

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to remind ourselves of what's true.

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And there was a conference, I think.

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Couple years ago on the signed

gifts and things along these lines.

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It's a time to teach,

but also to fellowship.

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You may have heard the news recently,

if you follow Christian Twitter or the

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Christian news world out there, that

the G three Cons conference that was

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gonna be held in a few months here has

been canceled this year because the head

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of G three, the president of G three,

this guy named Josh Bi has ultimately

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disqualified himself from ministry and

certainly his role with this conference.

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And you might think.

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Oh here goes another pastor.

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A moral failure through, sexual immorality

or financial mishandling or whatever.

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This one's weird.

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He it was better.

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I maybe, I guess he, basically what

he had done is he had created multiple

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multiple anonymous social media handles,

Twitter handles, things like that.

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Names, yeah.

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Blogs, email accounts.

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And he had used these accounts

to attack other Christians.

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And even Christians within his church,

fellow pastors in his church, he had used

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these fake accounts to question them and

to to bring, charges against these men.

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And and also to for self-serving purposes.

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And the elders at his church discovered

this and confronted him over two

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years ago initially about this.

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And he lied and said,

no, I didn't do this.

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And then most recently, what

happened within the last couple

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weeks, they met with him for two

hours at one point and pressed him

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on it and presented the evidence.

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And he was still saying,

no, I didn't do this.

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I didn't do this until finally they

delivered the nail in the coffin.

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And he admitted to it.

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He confessed to it.

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And so they terminated him

from his position with G three.

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He's resigned from the church and they

also are canceling this conference.

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And that's a massive development.

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Because this conference was,

again, still three months out.

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There were plenty of other speakers

that were gonna be there at this

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conference, and yet they've decided

to shutter the whole thing because

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of its close association with B.

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Man, this is a weird one.

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I it's just another reminder,

the frailty of our human leaders

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and the pastoral leaders.

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And some are out there on the evangelical

Twitter world saying, Hey, this is

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just another sign that we need to put

the rest, these national conferences

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and the, conference writer kind of guy

that travels around and speaks at the

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conferences and they're pointing to Lawson

as another example of a guy like that.

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And I don't know that we need to

go that far, but it, it's certainly

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another reminder of how frail.

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Our human leaders are the people that

we can so often idolize are men at best.

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And and this is a bad situation for

G three, for his church Praise Mill

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is what the, his church is called.

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It they're going through it right now.

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And this is unfortunate for sure.

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PJ: Yeah, we've said this before,

but it's worth noting that we

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ought to be praying for the people

that are in leadership positions.

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We require that.

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Because as easy as it is for

us to throw rocks at Josh and

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say, man, what are you doing?

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That's just dumb.

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I, I don't know when it began for him, but

at some point it was just a little thing.

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It was a small rock in the shoe that

just thought, I'm just gonna do this,

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and I don't think that this is a big

deal, or whatever he said, to justify it.

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The slippery slope of sin starts

with one small compromise.

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And this is where it's so important for

all of us to look at someone like him.

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And granted, you may not even know

who he is, we're bringing him up

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thinking that a few of you might.

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But we wanna point out to your

attention that men have feet of clay.

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And but for the grace of

God, go, I as a saying goes.

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And you ought to pray for your leaders

and ask God to keep us on the straight

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and narrow living in integrity as we just

talked about this weekend with the men.

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We need to be the men who are

willing to confess our sin to.

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To even before we're put a up fingers

put in our chest to be willing to

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say to our brothers in the Lord or

our sisters, if you're a lady, look,

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here's what I've been struggling with.

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I'm really wrestling with this,

and will you please pray for me?

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Will you please help me?

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Will you help me with accountability?

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Or whatever it is, because we

don't want this stuff scares me.

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I look at that and I

say, that could be me.

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That could be me.

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Now, I don't look at anyone's

sin and say, man, shame on you.

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You should have done differently.

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And I guess there's a

part of me that says, you.

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Did you have a different obligation?

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This is why James three, one says,

not many of you should become teachers

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'cause you're teaching now and everyone's

pulling up screenshots of things that

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he has said before where he is clearly

talking about himself or he's indicting

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himself with his own preaching.

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And I get scared about that.

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I think, man, I don't

want that to be my life.

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I don't want that to be your life.

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So guard yourself.

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Keep a close watch on

yourself and on the teaching.

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Persist this for, by so doing, you'll

save both yourself and your hearers.

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That's the warning for all of us.

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Josh's fall could be our

fall if we're not careful.

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Rod: Yeah.

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Let's get into our text for today,

second Samuel 19, 20 and 21.

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Second Samuel 19.

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You may recall from a couple days ago

David was mourning the death of his son.

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And Joab gets word of this and Joab

is not happy with David's posture.

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And so you'll look at verse two.

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It says, so the victory that day was

turned into mourning for all the people.

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For the people who heard the

king is grieving for his son.

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And so Joab comes home and he calls David

on this, and this is verses five and six.

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He says, you've covered with shame.

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The faces of all your servants who have

this day saved your life in the lives

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of your sons and your daughters, and the

lives of your wives, and your concubines.

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And there's multiple layers here.

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We mentioned this Joab does not

act in an honorable way in the

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way that he dispatches of Absalom.

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So there's that.

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However, there is a measure of truth

here for Joab in his confrontation

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of David in that David's men at

risk their life on his behalf and

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in gone to battle on his behalf.

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And these were the real.

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Potential risks involved here when the,

they're going to war against each other.

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In fact, you'll remember David

had already been told by his men,

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Hey, David, you're gonna stay.

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We don't want you going to battle with

us because you're too valuable for us.

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Absalom's men apparently did not

think of him the same way because

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he was involved in the battle.

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So this was something that

potentially could have happened.

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And so there's a measure to

which I think what job says is

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right, David, you need to not.

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Bring shame upon your people for

delivering and fighting on your

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behalf to restore you to the throne,

which is what's right and good.

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However I do think Joab misses the

empathy with a father who has lost

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a son and and David's mourning and

grief over Absalom's death here.

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PJ: Yeah I agree with that.

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I would have a hard time.

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He's the King Job's, right?

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Better is open.

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Rebuke than hidden love.

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And even though Job may not be

the best guy to deliver that news,

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it's what David needed to hear.

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He has a responsibility that's greater

than just his own sorrow and grief.

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And certainly no one would hold

it against him to grief, but

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it's just not the right time.

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There are time and a place, a season

perhaps, where it's appropriate for

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a leader to say, look, I just need

time alone to do A, B, C, and D here.

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David had a responsibility

to all the men who just.

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Gave their lives for his sake.

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Granted they didn't lose their lives,

but they could have, and again, going

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back to the honor, shame dynamic,

he's casting shame upon them because

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he's celebrating or he's honoring

the man that they just killed.

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For David's sake, this is the same

man who basically, he created a coup.

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He could have destroyed

Jerusalem, he could have destroyed

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everything that David stood for.

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Da David's heart is broken, and

no one would look down upon that.

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But boy, I think it's inappropriate.

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He needed job to say that.

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And I commend Joab for that.

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Not necessarily for everything else,

but he needed to hear this better.

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Is open rebuke than Hidden Love.

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Yeah.

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Rod: Then this next section here, as

David returns to Jerusalem, he replaces

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Joab with Ama and Ammas is gonna become

his military commander in place of Joab,

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probably because David is upset with Jo.

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Mad at Jo for what Joe did with.

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With his son there.

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And yet at the same time, we see

David's strength of leadership here

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because David does reunite the people

after this brief civil war broken out.

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And so even though there were people

that were saying, I'm following Absalom,

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David is able to bring people back and

even from the rest of the chapter here

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he demonstrates, he leads by example here

because he looks at those that had been.

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Been some of the leading enemies and

people that have personally attacked

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him, including Shiia and he pardons them.

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He says, you know what I'm not

gonna hold this against you.

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I'm not gonna execute vengeance anymore.

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Let's just move on and

let's be united together.

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Even Mephibosheth.

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And this is the situation here,

because Mephibosheth comes forward and

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has a different story that basically

says, look I would've come to you,

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David, but I couldn't come to you.

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And David's response here towards

Zeba and Mephibosheth was just

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to divide the land basically.

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I think David was saying, I don't know

for sure who is right and who is wrong

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but Mephibosheth's response in sec, second

Samuel:

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take it all since you've come home safely.

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I, that lends me again, to think that

I think Mephibosheth was the one that

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was in the right here, where Zeba

was the smarmy guy in all of this.

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But David is magnanimous in his mercy.

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In in this middle section of this chapter,

but the chapter ends with more fighting.

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Whether David should reside

in perhaps over where that is.

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David should reside in perhaps the

earliest signs of the strain that

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would be what would lead to the divided

monarchy eventually down the road.

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Some wanting him to reside in

the north, others in the south.

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And the division wasn't gonna happen

until after Solomon's era, but you see the

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seeds being sown here even in chapter 19.

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PJ: Yeah.

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I think to reaffirm what you were just

saying I think Mephibosheth is telling

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the truth and the reason why it's a

strange one in the next book that we're

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gonna study let's see, Chronicle Kings

when we look at Solomon's interaction

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with the two women who are fighting over

the sun, he says let's divide the baby.

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And the one whose mother it was,

says, please don't let her have it.

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So I think Second Samuel is

cluing us into, or hinting at.

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Clearly Li Mephibosheth is telling the

truth here, so I think the author is.

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Hinting us.

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Maybe not saying it explicitly,

but hinting us that he's the

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one who's telling the truth.

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Rod: Yeah.

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Chapter 20, you may remember that the last

time we encountered this phrase, there was

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a worthless man, I believe it was Naval

that was Abigail's husband at the time.

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And you remember that

whole situation here.

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There's another worthless man here who

comes to the front, and this one's name

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is Sheba and he's a Benjamin Knight.

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Why is that important?

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That's because that was Saul's line.

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And so this is the same line of shimmy.

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This is there's animosity here still

between the Benjamin Knights and David,

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and they basically say, look, you can

have David, we have no portion with him.

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We're gonna go north.

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We're gonna do our own thing.

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We're gonna be our own

separate kingdom here.

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And David says, yeah, no you're not.

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And so David dispatched a AMAs.

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'cause remember, AMAA had been made

the military commander there, along

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with Joab and Abishai and the Army to

quell the rebellion before it could

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do all the harm that Absaloms had.

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Joab.

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Along with his brother Abishai, who's

on his side, clearly decides AMAs is

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not gonna hold this position anymore.

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Joab murders, AMAs again, Joab does

not finish strong in his his service

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here and effectively takes back his

place as commander of the King's Army.

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Shiba, meanwhile, f flees to the

city where David's forces follow

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and threaten to destroy it with

Siege works and a woman there.

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Comes to intervene and convinces

the residents to kill Sheba, which

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they do, and they throw his head

over the wall to say, look, this

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guy's done the rebellion's over.

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And that basically puts an end

to shebas Shebas rebellion.

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PJ: Yeah.

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Amma was murdered for

sure, but why did he delay?

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And that's unusual.

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I'm not sure.

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And the text doesn't tell us

what caused his delay, but.

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Joab is an opportunist, and he took the

opportunity that was afforded him, and I'm

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sure, here's part of the calculation here.

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David's trying to reunite

the kingdom, and so he puts.

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Mesa Amsa, however you pronounce his

name, he puts him in place because

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he was the commander under Absalom.

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So he's trying to think, okay, let's

try to reunite the people here.

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Let's put them together.

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And so he, I think it, it works

at least temporarily until Joe Abs

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opportunity comes by and he does

so in the most devious way, drops.

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Hey brother.

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What's up brother?

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And stabs him in the back.

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A good friend will stab you

in the front, not in the back.

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Rod: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Grabs him by the beard.

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Yeah.

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Big jerk.

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Jerk.

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Man, don't name your Caden a Mesa or

Joe, Adam, really, for that matter.

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Yeah.

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Are there names that you don't

wanna call them, that's for sure.

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Probably not.

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Probably not.

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Alright.

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Chapter 21, then here we've

got the Gibby Knights.

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And the Gibe Knights, remember had made

a covenant with Joshua after, deceiving

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him into thinking that they had come

from far away, if you can go back there.

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And during Saul's reign, he had apparently

attacked the Gibbon Knights, breaking

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the Covenant, and that was made there.

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And so now Israel was suffering

a famine as a result of this act.

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So this is just a reminder

that God doesn't forget.

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God.

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God doesn't just overlook things and be

like, oh, it's no big deal and move on.

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When we think we're getting away

with something, we're not really

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getting away with anything.

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God's memory is perfect.

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And so here you've got a situation

where Israel's suffering now under

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David for something that Saul had done.

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That goes all the way back to this.

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Covenant that was made between between

the Gibeonites and Joshua, because

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Joshua hadn't sought the lord's

wisdom in, in con and guidance there.

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So to rectify the situation, David

agrees to turn over seven of Saul's sons

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who are then hanged by the Gibeonites.

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One of their mothers of these

men who were turned over she just

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is broken as you can imagine.

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And stays there and defends these bodies

from any desecration, from wild animals.

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And after hearing this, David

recognizes her and wants to honor her.

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So she gathers the bones of Saul and

Jonathan and these other seven and

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has them properly buried to, to honor.

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But this is a.

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This is an uncomfortable

section of scripture.

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PJ: It is.

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And I think part of the discomfort is that

we're wondering, why would God do this?

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Why would God allow this?

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Why would God command this?

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And important to see here,

God doesn't command it.

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He doesn't tell them to

do what they're doing.

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And in fact, there's an

uncomfortable silence from God

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about what he thinks about this.

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There's this assumption on our part

that, oh, clearly God approved of what

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happened because the famine stopped.

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But notice here in verse in verse 14.

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They buried the bones of Saul and his

son, Jonathan, in the land of Benjamin

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and Zela and the tomb of Kish, his father.

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And they did all that the king commanded.

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And after that, God responded

to the plea for the land.

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So even though God was upset and

he upset sounds human God was angry

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at the sin, the response of the

sin was not a biblical response.

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They weren't saying let's

apply the Torah to this.

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How would Moses tell us to deal with?

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They don't do that because nothing in

scripture would command this to happen.

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The gibeonites are not.

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Yahweh fearers, and they're pagans.

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And so their response to this was

let's you know, tick for tack.

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Let's take them in.

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So scripture doesn't commend that.

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Scripture doesn't tell us that was okay.

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In fact, God's silence on that suggests

that God was not okay with that.

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What God does respond to though is

the proper burial of the bodies, which

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tells me that even though it seems

on the surface that God might have

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been behind this or okay with this, I

don't think it is because God doesn't

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respond to this famine when they're

killed, he responds to the famine

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after they're buried, which tells me

there's something else going on there.

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Rod: Yeah that's helpful

distinction there.

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The chapter ends with more war with

the Philistines, and I'd mentioned

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earlier that David wasn't going to

battle anymore 'cause the people had

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said, Hey, you're too valuable for us.

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But here he does go to battle this

time, and maybe it's because it's

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a familiar foe and he's Hey, I want

to go kill some more Philistines.

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David's been killing

Philistines for a long time.

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You remember Saul, the bride

price for for Mical was the

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hundred and he came back with 200.

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Yeah he.

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He likes going to war

against the Philistines.

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So he goes back again.

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And this time though, verse

16, somebody bears down on

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him and is about to kill him.

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One of the Philistines

and Abha comes to his aid.

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And basically after that, the men of

Israel say, Hey David, we appreciate

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your help and all, but we got this

handled now why don't you go back

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and be the king, be in the palace.

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Let us fight the battles here

and and we'll take it from here.

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And that's what he ends up doing.

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But you'll notice a

familiar name in verse 19.

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The name Goliath, the Tite, the shaft

of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

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This is very clearly a different Goliath.

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I don't think there's anything here to

be like why, how is Goliath still here?

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No, I think just like today, there's

multiple Steves, there's multiple johns,

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there's multiple rods, there's multiple

PJs out there in the world there.

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There's multiple Goliaths at this time.

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We don't need to make anything

more of that, but yeah.

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This is some more battle against the

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PJ: Philistines.

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I'm gonna take a slightly

different take on that.

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Okay.

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In that I think it's a scribble error.

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Okay.

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And the cross reference that I'd

love for you guys to jot down as

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first Chronicles 25 not 25, 20 verse

five, first Chronicles 20 verse five.

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I think that preserves

the original meaning.

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So I think what we're missing

is the brother of the brother.

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The brother of I would assume that this

is Goliath, the gi, the Goliath, the Tite,

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and that there's just some textual issues

here that are preserved in our Bibles.

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But first Chronicles 20 verse

five, I think helps fill

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in some of the gaps for me.

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That's fair.

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Rod: Yeah.

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I can see that.

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Definitely.

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Which is an example of why Chronicles

is helpful as we read through the

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books of of First and Second Samuel

and First and Second Kings team.

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That's right.

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All right let's pray and then

we'll be done with this episode.

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God, thanks for your word,

and for even just that how one

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can shed light on the other.

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And so we're grateful for that reality.

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I pray that we would read

well and read it attentively.

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And so we thank you for your

kindness to us in providing the

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the fullness of the canon for them.

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And so I pray that we'd be wise students

of your word and that we would honor you

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in the way that we conduct our lives.

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So we pray this all in Jesus name.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Keep in your Bibles.

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Tune in again tomorrow for another

edition of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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We'll see you.

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Bye.

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PJ: Thanks for listening to another

edition of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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Yeah.

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I would agree with

everything that you said

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