Today we’re heading back to 1987 for Some Kind of Wonderful - John Hughes’ gender-flipped spin on the Pretty in Pink formula. It’s got unrequited love, drum solos, diamond earrings, and that classic Hughes mix of angst and heart. We’ll dig into the movie, the music, and the era when every teen in America was just trying to figure out who they really belonged with.

I'm joined by returning guest, Steve Smith from The Men of Action Podcast(The Cheeky Basterds) & Dropping a Bruce.

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Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Today we're heading back to 19 87, 1 of

my favorite eighties years for some kind

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of wonderful John Hughes gender flipped

spin on the pretty and pink formula.

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It's got unrecorded love, drum

solos, diamond earrings, big and

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Hughes films, and the classic

Hughes mix of angst and heart.

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We'll dig into the movie, the music,

the era when every teen in America

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was just trying to figure out who

they really belonged with, and I'm

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very happy to welcome back to the show

returning guest Steve Smith from Men of

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Action and dropping a Bruce Podcasts.

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Did I get that right, Steve,

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Steve: That's correct

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Katie: or welcome back to the show?

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What can we look forward to?

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What's upcoming on your shows or.

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Steve: Well the Men of Action is I

co-host with Scott Kay of the Church of

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Tarantino podcast it's a ever evolving

Thing within action So currently we are

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looking at the mission itself So we're

doing men on a mission movies or men

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Katie: Mm.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I like it

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Steve: but we are concentrate rather

than the film itself cause you know a

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lot of these films have been discussed a

million times So we're so we're kind of

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looking at it from the mission perspective

know who's in on the mission it.

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a the mission a good idea Is it likely

to be successful So we're we do discuss

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towards the end of the episode We

we we get more into the nuts and the

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bolts of the film itself But we also

we are sort of like I say we're digging

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a bit deeper into the mission itself

of the movies and drop in a Bruce

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podcast are nearing the end Really.

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yeah so there's been like I think

there's if there's straight to video

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or straight to stream in Bruce Willis

movies there's there's roughly 40 I

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think So we're I think we've we've

just recorded the 33rd episode So

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Katie: you are nearing the end.

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Steve: nearing the end and I, must confess

it's been it's been a slog It's been

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Katie: I I bet.

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Now remind listeners why that is, what

the story is with dropping a Bruce.

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The name sort of implies it, but.

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Steve: so Scott that was Scott's idea

to do this and much like I was saying

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about the the men on a mission movies

is we didn't wanna talk about Die

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Hard and all the films that knows so

well So um Bruce Willis did a large

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quantity of straight to video movies

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And it's difficult because we didn't at

the time a lot of us didn't really know

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why is he making these crappy Mm-hmm.

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movies But then his illness

became apparent or his condition

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became apparent his aphasia

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that news broke just when we decided

to do the show And we thought that

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would be incredibly bad taste us to do

it now But over time we thought well

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no there's a way to do this Mm-hmm.

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we're not gonna tear these movies

apart and make fun of them We just

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want to review them as we would any

other movie we found an angle Mm-hmm.

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respectfully and Obviously we we

hadn't seen any of these movies

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so we didn't really know what to

expect And we've had we've had time

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It's been tough at times you know

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Katie: bet.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Steve: a lot of these films are pretty

low budget filmed by at times rather

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inept people And as we've come to

realize Bruce Willis has been exploited

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Katie: Yeah, it's really sad.

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Steve: And finding out just how ruthless

a lot of these producers and money

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guys really were because this there's

no way it couldn't it they were aware

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of Bruce's condition and situation

and they've severely taken advantage

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of him But we addressed that and

but we try and have fun and we Yeah.

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you know we discuss the cast um and

and who kind of rises to the occasion

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and who doesn't we do it respectfully

but we films you know movies and movies

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and some sucks Some films surprise you

some disappoint you and just and we

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approach it that way But yeah like I

say we've we're now coming towards the

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end and that's it's been a rocky road

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Katie: it's welcome.

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Yeah

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Steve: Yeah,

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Katie: no.

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Steve: That's like the

end of a marathon race

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Katie: yeah.

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Steve: the line and you're

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Steve: to get there

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Katie: Well, you guys are

respectful and you do a good job.

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I guess what's always per perplexed me

about the straight to video, straight to

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stream like this and straight to streaming

might, might be a little different,

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but especially back in the day, the

straight to video market, like who's.

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Who I don't understand, is

this like a money laundering?

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Is this like a money?

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Steve: what we've come to I mean and

you can really dig up a bit of dirt

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on some of these producers Um they're

they're pretty ruthless guys and they're

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they're just know they're making these

movies for $15 million apparently Mm-hmm.

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lot of the time Bruce gets like a

million dollars a day apparently

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Katie: But how do they make money?

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I, I mean, how, and they don't, they

don't, the money laundering aspect.

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Steve: that they pay Bruce Willis

They only Bruce Willis is clearly in

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this on this movie set for a day Right

So where's the other $14 million Mm.

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cause the movies I would to hazard

a guess I would I would say these

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movies probably about $2 million

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Katie: To make, okay.

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Yeah.

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Steve: There's some shenanigans

afoot There's some there's some stuff

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going on We tried we've Allegedly.

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Yeah I mean a lot of the time you can't

even find the in info on the budgets

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of these movies you know Mm-hmm.

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it's pretty shady business Yeah.

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And they're ex you know I'm not I'm

sure Bruce Willis isn't the only

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people there exploiting whoever they're

in on the sex trade or the yeah.

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but there's some shady shenanigans going

on and we try and address that and we

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dig up what we can information wise but

it's difficult a lot of the time Sure.

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but a lot of the time you do manage

to get of decent guest stars You know

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you get and Michael Rucker Mm-hmm.

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just discussed And you know you get

Thomas Jane you get get all kinds of

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people sort of John Cusack You get all

these people just showing up probably

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as a favor to Bruce perhaps Maybe.

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respect to help him out And I'm

sure a lot of this lot of the money

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Bruce has been making has been to

pay for his health bills I guess

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But it's murky to say the least

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Katie: a very generous way of putting it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Steve: interesting journey

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Katie: Well, I, I would recommend everyone

head on over to dropping a Bruce to

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check more of what Steve and I, have

been talking about, and also their Men

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of Action podcast is is really fun.

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I mean, that's the

eighties and the nineties.

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Yeah.

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Steve: Scott does a lot of the heavy

lifting and I call him the head

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honcho Really cause he knows a lot

more than on that side of things than

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Steve: I've gotta give him a shout out

cause he does a lot of the hard work

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Katie: Yeah.

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You guys are an interesting duo.

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Yep.

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Steve: And you know we've got

the British and the American

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Katie: Yep.

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Steve: ex-military as well Yeah.

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he can shed a lot of light on things but

we we just added We we just kind of had

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a good chemistry when we first initially

started talking and and I'm just kind of

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like Scott whatever you wanna do we'll

I'll just team up with you and we'll

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just have some we have some laughs we

try and you know some movie podcasts

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can be a bit academic know some can be

a little bit too much of a just a lark

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So we try and meet it in the middle and

we're like you know we we will give you

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the the details and the the knowledge

But we also we we like to have a we

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like to have some fun too Of course.

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That's the whole point.

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Yeah.

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if you love movies you should give us a

listen cause you'll learn a bit hopefully

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and you'll have some laughs and that's

that's that's what we try to do you know

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Katie: Perfect.

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Perfect.

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Well, the shtick that retro Made

has is we spin a wheel and do some

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trivia from the year the movie

we're about to discuss came out.

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So just kind of get us in that feeling.

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So without further ado, let's open

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I'm gonna share my screen with you.

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All right.

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I'm gonna spin on your behalf,

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Steve: Okay

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Katie: see what category we get for 1987.

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Oh, can Steve come out to play?

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Okay.

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There's a couple

giveaways, like easy ones.

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We'll start with that well

released slightly earlier.

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This animatronic doll with a plush body

and moving mouth, which reads stories from

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cassette tapes, was one of the most sought

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What was the toy?

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I,

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Steve: Is a tough one

for me Is it Teddy bear

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Katie: yep.

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You're on the right track.

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Steve: Teddy Rockin

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Katie: It is.

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Yes it is.

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Yeah.

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Good job.

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All right.

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Now, what toy known for its soft, rubbery,

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became a smash hit in the following year.

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I think it really blew up

in the early nineties too.

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You know, it takes a while.

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I remember having these, I,

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Steve: Cabbage Patch Kids

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Katie: know, it's a it's, it's

like an inanimate, it's not like

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a doll or a bear or anything.

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Steve: okay Oh

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Katie: Soft, rubbery, tactile feel.

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And then it became a smash hit.

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Steve: that's like a toy It is a to You

might I'm drawing a blank on this one

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Katie: You may not know this

because you're in the uk, but here

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if anybody ever watched the Rosie

O'Donnell show, she used to fling

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these into the audience on her show,

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Steve: No I'm sorry

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Katie: the Kosh Ball, are you

familiar with the Kosh Ball?

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Steve: idea I've never even heard that

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Katie: Okay.

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Maybe, maybe it was just in America.

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You guys have to remember the Kosh ball.

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Alright, let's let's

go to another category.

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Let's see here.

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If we can find something interesting.

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Totally tasty.

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This would be like snacks and

food and drinks and stuff.

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Steve: American Foods

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Katie: All right.

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I'll give you an easy one.

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I don't know.

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Maybe, maybe not.

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Well, there's a few that are pretty easy.

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In 1987, this brand launched a

new orange flavored monster cereal

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that featured the character.

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Yummy Mummy.

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Steve: Ah

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Katie: I imagine it's in the same,

like with count choa, BooBerry,

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like those, I'm imagining?

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Steve: so it's a brand

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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It's a brand of, a brand of cereal,

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Steve: we've never had

any of those over here

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Katie: you?

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Okay.

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It's one of the big two Here.

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Steve: Is then what is there

like Nestle is that a brand

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Is that kind of what we were

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Katie: It is, but it's, yep.

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So

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Steve: Kellogg's No

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Katie: the other big one.

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Kellogg's is one of the big ones.

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It's the other one.

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Steve: I can think of Kellogg

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I

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Katie: give up

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Steve: yeah I'm gonna have to I'm sorry

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Katie: General Mills.

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Are you familiar with that cereal brand?

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No.

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Okay.

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It's, it's like the other one.

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Kellogg's and General Mills

are probably the two big ones.

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Yes.

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worries.

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Steve: that's that's a new one on me

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Katie: You might.

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Okay.

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Hmm.

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Well launched earlier.

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The recipe for this Hershey's candy

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caramel, but making it very popular.

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It had a very like random name.

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What was the name of this candy bar

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Steve: American candies

like a chocolate bar?

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with caramel

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Katie: I would say the most unique

thing about it is its name, kind

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of like a hodgepodge of things

where you, you know, ah, it's, you

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know, if you're trying to think of

something, you're like, oh, blank.

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Steve: this is gonna kill me I

can't think for the lie For me

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Katie: Well, is, this isn't

fair because these probably

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you didn't have this in the uk.

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Probably.

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Steve: the funny thing is whenever I have

been to the States I've obviously you

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know like um like the Free Musketeers

bar or you know stuff like that that

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you hear about in a movie you think if

I ever go to a America I'm gonna try one

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of those And then when you do you're like

oh that's exactly the same as something

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else from the uk You know it's Yep.

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some exotic weird thing that we

don't have It's just a diff something

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we have with a different name

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Katie: Exactly.

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And you, there are probably some things

that are unique to us and vice versa.

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I will say, it's not

like a well-known one.

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It's like way down the list of popular.

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I don't even know if they make it

anymore to be honest with you, but I

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haven't bought a candy bar in like 20

years, so I don't it's the chuma Callit

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Steve: I was gonna say thing of

me Bob but then I don't know if

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Katie: same.

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I mean, it's a similar, yeah.

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Steve: it but I was a bit

like is that even a thing I

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Katie: Well, yeah, it is.

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Steve: in America or

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Katie: Yep.

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Whatchamacallit thing, Bob.

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So the whatchamacallit candy bar,

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Steve: I'd been wrong anyway so but no I

don't think I've ever heard of that one

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Katie: well, you might

actually get this one.

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I feel like this maybe transcends oceans.

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In 1987, Ben and Jerry's introduced this

flavor named after the band, grateful

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Dead's Lead Guitarist Marking The first

time they named a flavor after a musician.

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So you're familiar with

Ben and Jerry's ice Cream?

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Steve: am I'm to think of

the Grateful Deads singer and

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Katie: It's a rhyme with his name, like

it's a play on his name and it rhymes.

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Steve: I'm not I'm not I could

only I'm not gonna look it up cause

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that's that's cheating isn't it Steve

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Katie: No cheating on the retro made

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Steve: on this show so I'm gonna have to

say I have no idea I know when you say I'm

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Katie: I say it.

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Yep, I know, I know it.

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It is Cherry Garcia is

the name of the ice cream.

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Steve: Garcia I ah I think I'm just

on the spot I'm just I'm just a bag of

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nerves Okay I'm just falling a falling

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Katie: Also, these, let's let's find

you a category that's more fair.

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Like the things that are

like cultural to America.

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It's not fair to ask.

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Let's see if Stars and scandals,

how do you think you're gonna

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do with the stars and scandals

portion, celebrity gossipy stuff?

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Steve: Yeah I let's give it a shot Okay.

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it I'll give it my best

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Katie: I think these are easier,

but I, you know, you never know.

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Okay.

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Steve: Yeah

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Katie: This popular televangelist

was forced to resign from his

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ministry, PTL after it was revealed.

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He paid a former church secretary

over $200,000 in hush money

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following a sexual encounter in 1980.

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Who was this Televangelist?

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Disgraced,

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Steve: Well tell the evangelist again

not not something we really had in the uk

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Katie: but I feel like you'll know it.

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His, there, there's always

kind of a joke about his wife.

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It's like this person, it's like blank

and blank last name and the wife.

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Is known for wearing like clownish makeup.

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I don't know if that's helping at all.

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Steve: No Yeah that's

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Katie: This one's

probably the hardest one.

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So it is Jim Baker.

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So remember Jim and Tammy?

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Tammy Baker.

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Tammy?

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Was it Tammy Faye?

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Steve: em I'm sorry I'm

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Katie: Okay,

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Steve: too good at these

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Katie: no worries.

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In America, does, does

anybody remember this?

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I mean, I was a kid, but I still remember

like the, you know, it was in the

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ether of pop culture for a long time.

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Steve: I

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Katie: This 1980s heart throb was

arrested in April of 87 after punching

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a film extra on the set of the movie

colors leading to a 60 day jail sentence.

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Steve: That can only be Sean Pan

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Katie: It is Sean Pan.

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See, they're getting easier.

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Steve: actor punching someone

Sean Pan what I'm saying

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Had to name the movie I'd

have probably asked Sean Pan

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Katie: there's probably been

several that have punched people,

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but this one's a fa from Famous.

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That was like a big,

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Steve: that's one of his favorite pastime

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Katie: Let's see.

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Who was the actor who in 1987

was involved in a fatal car

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crash that killed two women?

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Actually, I think it was a

mother and a daughter, but,

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Steve: I am trying to think an actor who's

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Katie: and he was,

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Steve: a young well no

we would've been young

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Katie: it was very young at the time.

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Steve: it's not Matthew Broderick is it

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Katie: It is Matthew Broderick.

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Yes.

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Steve: Ah yeah I didn't know the ins

and outs so to speak but I knew he had.

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been involved in something like that

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Katie: I had I feel like I didn't

hear about that at the time,

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but I've since learned that

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Steve: it was that.

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early on

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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He was dating Jennifer Gray at

the time from Dirty Dancing.

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Steve: Ah I didn't know that either

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Katie: Yeah

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Steve: Yeah.

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I for some reason I I had it in

my head that that would've been

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later for me later in his career

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Katie: He certainly

recovered well from it.

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Steve: not his career of having

car accidents I mean his acting

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career but yeah no I didn't yeah I

didn't know that was that early him

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Alright.

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Last one.

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I think you'll get it because.

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You should get it.

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Steve: Okay

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Katie: this female recording artist

became a major tabloid fixture after

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her husband assaulted a songwriter

at a Los Angeles club leading to

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his arrest in eventual jail time.

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Steve: Sean Pangan Is it

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Katie: Yeah.

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But who was, who was he married to?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Madonna.

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Steve: Who knew that wasn't gonna work you

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Katie: I, you know,

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Steve: surely a match made in heaven

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Katie: It was.

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Well, thank you for playing.

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That concludes this segment

of the Time capsule.

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Steve: of sweat are falling on my

head there I'm shaking like a leaf

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Katie: Well, shall we, without

further ado, get into the

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movie some kind of wonderful.

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Steve: Let's

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Katie: This came out February 27th, 1987.

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It's PG 13.

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Steve: my birthday

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Katie: Is it?

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Ah.

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You were close to being.

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Was it a leap year?

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Your year?

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Could you have been a leap year baby?

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Steve: no

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Katie: Okay.

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The IMDB rating.

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It's a seven out of 10, which

is pretty high, don't you think?

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Steve: That's pretty good

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Katie: Like on IMDB?

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Yeah

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Steve: Yeah.

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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Steve: that's a good rating

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Katie: I think so.

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Now the director here is not John Hughes.

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It's Howard Deutsch.

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Are you familiar with

Howard Deutsch at all?

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Steve: I wasn't actually till

I looked him up and he directed

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he direct Pretty in pink

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Katie: Yes.

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And also the great outdoors

other John Hughes movies.

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Steve: that's that's a good one

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Katie: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, apparently Martha Coolidge

was originally hired and she

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cast a different Amanda Jones.

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She cast Kim Delaney as Amanda Jones

and Kyle McLaughlin, that's hard

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to say his last name as Hardy Jens.

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So Coolidge dropped out, I guess before

filming was to Yin Howard Deutsche

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replaced her and he also replaced the Leah

Thompson, who ends up playing Amanda Jones

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and Craig Scheffer to play Hardy Jens.

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I think that was the right move.

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Good on you.

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Howard Deutsch.

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Steve: Yeah I I thought Craig

Sheer he's I'm getting a I'd be

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jumping too far ahead No, go ahead.

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But I always thought he was a bit more

of a guy So when we get to the party

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always feel like he would've punched you

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Well, he, yeah, I guess

we're supposed to it's Yeah.

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usually get in that kind of

movie I'm like I almost feel like

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I'm not saying he is miscast he

plays a pretty good douche Dick.

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Yeah Yeah.

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But that that's one of the

minor niggles for me is Okay.

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really buy that You wouldn't

have punched Eric Stalts

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Katie: Well, the, they did kind of turn

it on its head because the whole trick

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or the whole ruse was so that Hardy

and his, his guys could beat Keith up,

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Steve: Yeah

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Katie: so it's turned on its head a

little bit when Keith is the one who,

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who punches first and then I guess we're,

which I, I guess I kind of liked, it

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didn't go as we normally expect to go.

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Steve: well there's there's quite a

lot about we'll discuss there's quite

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a lot in this movie that is kind

of unusual a bit different Mm-hmm.

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I think that's what gives us got a

solid reputation I think because of that

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Katie: Yes.

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Steve: And uh I mean I remember

Leah Thompson I mean I was 15 years

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old I had a major crush on her

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Katie: Ms.

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Amanda Jones?

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Steve: Ms Amanda Jones But obviously this

is obviously post back to the future Yes.

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Yep.

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But that's where I know knew her from

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Katie: Mm-hmm.

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She was in Howard the duck.

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Did you see that?

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Steve: I do you know what I must

confess I consider myself a cinephile

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but I have things I've missed And

Howard the duck may be one of them

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Katie: I don't know why.

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When I was a kid, I wanted to rent

that all the time when we would go

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to the video store, and I honestly

can't remember anything from it.

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I'm sure it's the worst

thing ever because yeah.

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Did you ever see her TV show

though, Caroline in the city

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that she had in the nineties?

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Steve: was not aware of that I don't think

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Katie: It was, I ran for several seasons.

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She was like a, was she a cartoonist,

I wanna say, or something.

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Steve: Mm no Not familiar with that But I

remember the video box to this particular

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movie and she was like oh Thompson

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Katie: So you very much enjoyed the

completely unnecessary, like sexual

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nature of her posing in the locker

room for absolutely no reason except

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to, for, for, for a young Steve Smith.

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Steve: that's embedded in my

memory but I, um I mean Mary

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Stuart Mar as well she's cute as a

487

Katie: I I was gonna ask you,

she's like flawless looking.

488

I mean, I know she, we'll get to her.

489

She plays the tomboy, quote unquote.

490

But I think she's just as pretty,

if not prettier, than Amanda Jones.

491

Like what?

492

This Watts character,

493

Steve: certainly equal and you are

you may be right but I just remember

494

having a major crush on Leah Thompson

because of Back to the Future and

495

I think Mary Stewart Masterson I

don't know I'm trying to think of

496

other films I would've seen her in

497

Katie: Benny and June and Fried Green

Tomatoes were probably her biggest ones,

498

and I really feel like she should have

had a bigger career than, than she did.

499

She was really good in this too.

500

Steve: Yeah She's speaking of Sean Penn

She was in a film called At Close Range

501

that's Christopher Wakin and Sean Penn

502

Katie: Oh,

503

Steve: she plays I think she

that's a kind of a dark crime drama

504

family thing Pretty good actually

505

Katie: Yeah, it sounds good.

506

Steve: I think Madonna did the song for it

507

Katie: Okay.

508

Steve: Live To Tell

509

Katie: Ooh, okay.

510

Steve: Tell is from that movie that is the

only other movie I think I know her from

511

Katie: You didn't see

fried green tomatoes.

512

Steve: no

513

Katie: It's good.

514

It's very good.

515

It's very,

516

Steve: I'm a lot more open-minded

than I used to be I've watched

517

you know most things now but yeah.

518

time perhaps I was I other stuff Yes.

519

Yeah she the the female leads

and this are great I mean Mm-hmm.

520

because again there's there's so much

to about here with cause I think Lee

521

Thompson's character Amanda ultimately

I think you're you know you're supposed

522

to think she's a bitch Really I think

523

Katie: Hmm.

524

Steve: I'm mean initially

525

Katie: Initially.

526

Yeah.

527

Okay.

528

Or, well,

529

Steve: have come you know these films

have been done before and since you know

530

where he's kind of he he's not necessarily

from the wrong side of the tracks He's

531

Katie: we, I have questions about that.

532

Steve: he's a bit of an odd not an odd

ball either He's he's just a bit of a

533

Katie: He doesn't fit in anywhere.

534

Steve: he doesn't fit in Um so you

know you've got the guy doesn't fit

535

in who falls in love with the popular

princess of the school and nine times

536

out of 10 she's a bit of a bitch and

he learns that because ultimately

537

although he ends up with uh Watts Watts?

538

it's liars here She's

cause she's not a bitch

539

Katie: No.

540

No.

541

I actually don't think that we were

ever meant to think she was a bitch,

542

but she was the typical, like she

didn't, not that she was a bitch,

543

but she was just like unaware.

544

Like she is in her own little world

at this high school, and I guess we

545

aren't shown that she, like we were

shown that the people she hangs out

546

with are bitchy and we find out like

she's not wealthy like the rest of them.

547

and she has to do certain things

to maintain her status with them.

548

But yeah.

549

Steve: I'm just I think I'm what I'm

commenting on really is is the kind of

550

tropes of this sort of genre is that

she'll end up being a bitch Mm-hmm.

551

go off with whats at the end and

live happily ever after Of course.

552

but she's not not what she is She's

not shallow She's not She's she's a

553

sensitive girl and she's been manipulated

by this douche bag boyfriend And so

554

yeah that cause this again made me

think of all these sorts of films that

555

were obviously hugely popular when

I was a teenager and sometimes how

556

How difficult it is to talk about like

when you have shown an interest in girls

557

and or boys or whoever you are you know

um how you kind of do learn from these

558

sorts of movies right How you know we're

all awkward teenagers and you don't know

559

what to say to girls and girls don't know

how to act in front of boys and there's

560

all these that's why these films exist you

know But there's lessons in these you know

561

I always think most there's lessons in

these movies and you know I'm interested

562

in girls I can't talk to my you can't talk

to your friends about it And you might

563

feel awkward talking to your older brother

about it Not everyone's got that kind

564

of clean family where You know you might

feel a little bit awkward and I think

565

that that might be a lot of why these as

solid entertainment These films are great

566

anyway I also think relatable and you

know you might watch these movies and kind

567

of figuring out who am I in this Mm-hmm.

568

Mm-hmm.

569

You

570

Katie: Yeah, there, there are

definitely tropes to those.

571

There's a formula of this kind of movie.

572

I mean, John Hughes literally used the,

I mean it's, this is pretty in pink

573

remade, but in my opinion, way better.

574

Which, but sometimes it's, it's

interesting and we'll talk about,

575

I'll back up in a minute and, and

remind everybody what this movie is

576

about 'cause it is a little lesser

known of, of his, of Hughes catalog.

577

I grew up watching it and loving it, and

then I was kind of reminded pleasantly

578

'cause I hadn't seen it in a long time.

579

I was pleasantly reminded why I liked

it and that it is a little different

580

in a few ways from, from the standard

formulaic, the formula's all there,

581

the, all the tropes are there.

582

But in this movie, it was done

in such a way that I invited it.

583

Like I, I didn't roll

my eyes at the tropes.

584

Like I, I was, I was totally

there for it, it for this movie.

585

Steve: tr their their comfort They're

comforting aren't they The tr we that's

586

why we like what we like you Mm-hmm.

587

like action movies or

horror movies Mm-hmm.

588

that's that's the things you like

about them But yeah I don't know It

589

just made me think about yeah within

these films we were looking for

590

ourselves in them a bit For sure.

591

know I'm I wasn't a I mean when I was a

teenager when I think back now obviously I

592

think I think man you know like who would

I have been in this situation And you know

593

and you're kind of like living vicariously

through these characters cause you've got

594

even Eli CO's character the Skinhead or

595

Katie: him, Duncan.

596

Steve: awesome that doesn't

go where you think either

597

Katie: No, it doesn't.

598

There, there's so much about

this movie that it's like,

599

oh, it's flipping it a little.

600

Steve: let's be honest E Cotes looked

at back 50 years old in that movie

601

Katie: I had this, well, I

have, I have notes, but that

602

was my first, I thought 35, but,

603

Steve: Well no I'm just being

604

Katie: but yes.

605

But also, yeah, I think also maybe why

I partially why I liked it a little more

606

is these people are straight up adults.

607

Like they do not look like teenagers.

608

Steve: that's another thing I want

to ask you as well was is what

609

is this is a high school Mm-hmm.

610

right So In the UK we leave

high school when we're 16

611

Katie: In America, it's

usually approximately 18.

612

Steve: right cause they're

driving cars and Mm-hmm.

613

in the UK you don't learn to drive till

you're 17 So no it's just that thing of

614

like these like these people that got

I mean there's obviously spoof movies

615

that have commented on you know that

they're all they all look like adults

616

yet they're playing 15 year olds or

whatever it may be that that was kind

617

of because that always was a bit of

a puzzle that you were like well they

618

leave school when they're 16 as well Mm.

619

but yeah Eli Cotis character

cause he's like the bully right

620

Katie: Well, at first, right?

621

Like he's Yeah.

622

Yeah.

623

Steve: I've got a feeling probably

scenes cut from this movie Him and

624

Eric Stats becoming pals they kind of

in detention they clearly find common

625

Katie: They allude to it.

626

They, they don't, yeah.

627

I mean, they don't spoonfeed

it to us, but you're right.

628

They probably were longer.

629

We're shown that they make a connection.

630

Steve: bit like huh

631

Katie: All of a sudden they're friends.

632

Yeah.

633

Steve: pals

634

Katie: And that's a trope too.

635

The, the detention scene with the, I mean,

especially the detention rejects, so to

636

speak, the scene where we get like the

ominous music and they're like shaving

637

their face with a knife and this guy

is ripping a book and breaking a pencil

638

for absolutely no reason other than to

show us how tough and intimidating and

639

these, they're little they're shown

to be criminals, but we're to believe

640

they're high school kids, you know?

641

But I love, I just, like, I was, when

the guy breaks the pencil, I'm, I don't

642

know, I just was all there for it.

643

Like, okay, clearly this, you

know, Eric Stoltz is supposed

644

to be intimidated by this group

645

Steve: Well yeah cause I mean you know

He is drawing his little notepad and

646

lies Co Is cutting the the desk and

he rips the top off to show him That's

647

a funny little back and forth And and

yeah he's a great character in this He's

648

Katie: He really was.

649

Well, let's talk about.

650

Steve: Yeah Just how how he

turns into this lovable guy

651

Katie: Well, and even some of his

other friends, yeah, he lovable

652

is a good way of putting it.

653

So as we're talking about these characters

and the people who play them, if you

654

guys haven't seen some kind of wonderful

in a while, it is quick, quick little

655

summary is Tomboy Watts played by Mary

Stewart Masterson, and we don't use

656

that term anymore, I don't think, but

657

So she discovers that her feelings for

her best friend Keith, run deeper than

658

just friendship when he gets a date

with the most popular girl in school.

659

Unfortunately, the girl's old

boyfriend who is from the rich section

660

of town is unable to let go of her

and plans to get back at Keith.

661

So, Eric Stoltz is playing.

662

Keith, what do you think of Eric

Stoltz and how he played Keith here?

663

Steve: IO other than the obvious like Pulp

Fiction he's not someone I've particularly

664

ever he's cropped up in a few movies but

he is never really been a reason to watch

665

the movie because obviously as we know he

was supposed to be in Back to the Mm-hmm.

666

and I don't think the movie He was

he was obviously his back to the

667

future was once they got Michael J Fox

668

Katie: It was a different kind of movie

669

Steve: I think that was say darker but

I don't think that was as goofy a movie.

670

when he was involved And that's

why I think they looked at it and

671

thought this isn't working And

672

Katie: Mm-hmm.

673

Steve: that was probably

his fault I agree.

674

But this kinda like him I think he's

cause he's not a weed he's not a weedy

675

guy Like who you'd just be like I cause

as a as a viewer you know I couldn't

676

probably I dunno if I'm being a but

I'm just sort of like I don't wanna

677

watch a movie about some weedy guy you

know you'd be like come on man pull

678

yourself together and I don't wanna

wait 90 minutes for you to pull yourself

679

together is what I'm saying I He's not

a weed He's I mean you know the way that

680

she and his friends and what they're gonna

do you know he couldn't possibly have

681

really been aware of but he stands up

for himself you know he's an individual

682

he's smart and he's a nice guy So I sort

of like well no you're just a nice guy

683

really He's not he's not really a he's

not really a nerd in the negative sense

684

Katie: he's just like a

introverted, like artsy kid.

685

But it, it, I mean, these

characters, is he nice?

686

It's like, it's always the

nerdy person who doesn't fit

687

in, who wants the hot girl?

688

Well, so does everyone else.

689

Why do you think you know,

what makes you so much better?

690

Equipped to be with her than anyone else.

691

And we don't really, I mean, he, he

draws her and, you know, so it's sort of

692

like, and then they do the same thing.

693

They're mad because they, they can't get

the attention of the hot pretty girl,

694

meanwhile their best friend the cute, but

not like overtly like sexualized girl.

695

He does the same thing to her

as he is being done to him.

696

And then in these movies, I, so I

always think like our, you know, our

697

protagonist, so to speak, is always

a little I don't know, I don't know.

698

Also, like Eric Stoltz, he

had a career for a hot minute.

699

I don't know what happened to him.

700

And maybe it was, I don't know if

he's problematic or what, but he,

701

I was really impressed by all.

702

All of the acting performances

in this cast really strong, I

703

think, which elevates this movie

over some of the other, like

704

carbon copy John Hughes movies.

705

But to me, honestly, Eric Sto as Keith

was like the least impressive to me.

706

He wasn't bad,

707

Steve: yeah no I think the the love

triangle I guess is by design I

708

mean that's the kind of point Right.

709

Yeah.

710

I just felt cause we are all

gonna see things differently

711

and how how can I put it like

712

liked what I liked about not necessarily

about Eric Starz himself but his character

713

Katie: Mm-hmm.

714

Steve: that he is not a fool

715

Katie: Good point.

716

No, he, he goes into this totally

knowing, like he at first thinks that

717

it's not a joke, and then he learns

it's a joke and, and does it anyway.

718

Steve: Yeah But am I right Little

Thompson's not in on it Is she

719

Katie: She's not, he, he sort of a,

720

Steve: Kind of

721

Katie: mm-hmm.

722

Steve: But she miss his little sister

has got his best interest at heart She

723

just misinterprets the situation that

Lee Thompson is in on it cause she's like

724

wrong with her at all in this movie Is

there like I say I when I watched it

725

when I watched it initially I remember

I even then I was like oh so she's

726

gonna be the bitch He's a wimp He's

gonna learn that he should have been

727

with his best friend all along Mm-hmm.

728

But it's not that simple because

hey is that simple is it No.

729

But I just like I kind I dunno I never

he's not someone I'm overly keen on or

730

following this guy who's I just like

that he's smarter than people think he is

731

Katie: Good point.

732

Yeah.

733

And at first I wasn't, because I hadn't

seen it so long, the opening when we

734

see him, like he's a loner, he's like

walking, playing chicken with the train.

735

And I, at first I was like, what

does that have to do with anything?

736

Like why are we, why are we showing that?

737

You know, and then he's like

this sensitive, like artsy type,

738

but he works with his hands.

739

Like he comes from a working class

family, but he is really dumb.

740

We'll get into the, I don't wanna

get into this now 'cause I wanna

741

get through the cast, but the

whole, like using his college money,

742

I'm like, what are we doing here?

743

Steve: about that I'll give you that

744

Katie: But so Leah Thompson

originally turned this down.

745

When she was approached by Howard

Deutch, but then after Howard,

746

the duck flopped, she accepted and

thought, I better get my next project.

747

Yeah.

748

Now, when I was growing up, I didn't

know, I didn't realize the connection

749

between her name Amanda Jones and the

song I didn't make that connection.

750

Steve: I'm not sure I still do

751

Katie: So the song Ms.

752

Amanda Jones, which is played during

the movie, during her, you know, when

753

we it's like a, a montage of, of like

her being beautiful and everything.

754

So when I was little, I sort of

thought it was written for the movie.

755

Steve: I still did till you

now talking So there you

756

Katie: So, okay, so it is

from the Rolling Stones album.

757

It's a song, Ms.

758

Amanda Jones is a song by the Rolling

759

Buttons, the film's character name Amanda

Jones was inspired directly by that song.

760

Hughes a huge, like, he's a lifelong,

like he's really into music.

761

And he kind of uses it as like

shorthand to set character and mood.

762

And so he naming the film's Love Interest

after the Stone song was completely

763

intentional and and he meant it to be, to

give her this Air of Unattainable Classic.

764

Cool.

765

Steve: Right Okay Yeah Well because it's

not the Rolling Stones song in the movie

766

is it someone else singing or is it them

767

Katie: There was like an alternative

version I know that was on the

768

soundtrack and I, I guess I'm not

certain who, it's probably the

769

alternative version that's played.

770

Steve: thought there's a there's a

song about that just sounded almost

771

sounded like Blondie to me There a

772

Katie: I think it was a punk rock band.

773

I can't recall now that covered it.

774

Steve: yeah but no I didn't know I

assumed because of her name and the

775

and the song using her name I I just

assumed the song was written for

776

Katie: Me too.

777

it's a rolling and I'm like a big,

I'm a pretty big Rolling Stones fan.

778

I had no idea.

779

Steve: I I've only seen this to

be I've only seen this film twice

780

Katie: okay.

781

Steve: so when when it kind of came

out and recently for this episode at

782

that age I think my memory of films

back then is pretty clear You know I

783

can remember when I saw this Mm-hmm.

784

you know I I remember I remember the

film it's quite interesting that yeah

785

But that music I was I I just assumed

that was written for the character I

786

Katie: I all along did too.

787

I, I learned that I know I'm jumping

around here, but speaking of the music

788

I usually talk about the composers of

these, and there's some familiar names.

789

, The composition here

completely unfamiliar to me.

790

But I do think that it is part of what

sets some kind of wonderful apart.

791

So Steven Hague, who apparently worked

with the Pet Shop Boys and New Order, he

792

brought a sleek alt pop edge while John

Muer is, who's the like com composition

793

part, his score gave it some heart that

like, in a big way, there were, you

794

definitely feel the musical cues in this.

795

And so it feels more like.

796

Underground and in like more emotionally

mature than a lot of the other, John

797

Hughes teen movies like this or,

798

Steve: manipulative a score

799

Katie: oh, yeah.

800

Yeah.

801

That's a good way of putting it.

802

Steve: to lead you particularly it's

more of a vibe this and that's what

803

I that's watching It again I was

kind of like I was like this is,

804

pretty smart This movie It is yeah.

805

know this is um

806

I mean that's John s know they're

very well written people you know and

807

Katie: Mm-hmm.

808

The characters.

809

I agree.

810

Yeah.

811

Steve: and it's fun And it's fun and

it's not too you knows not too dark

812

or anything It's just this guy's

he is got this fantasy of who This

813

girl is really and his best friend

you know personally he couldn't

814

have made a wrong move let's face it

815

Katie: Yeah.

816

And, he's not bad looking,

but he's not like the usual.

817

We usually get like a, a more

traditionally attractive.

818

Steve: that's kind of what I was

probably you probably hitting the

819

nail on the head there Mm-hmm.

820

he's not traditionally handsome

but not many of are And

821

Katie: That's true.

822

But usually in these movies, like the

geek, so to speak, isn't, isn't ugly,

823

like under their glasses or whatever.

824

Steve: the plain Jane and they're

gonna make her pretty and you're

825

like she's pretty anyway what you

826

Katie: Take the glasses off and

all of a sudden they're hot.

827

Yeah.

828

Steve: some it's like Clark Kent type

situation It's like um but he's not

829

maybe not traditionally a handsome

guy And I think that is probably

830

Katie: Mm.

831

More relatable.

832

Steve: again again that's like someone

like myself I'm you know I'm going to I'm

833

not Craig Sheer is what I'm saying Mm-hmm.

834

And I think that's what kind of it

relatable is You know I wasn't like as

835

a teenager I wasn't like Keith you know

Yeah I like art you know but you know

836

that's that's neither here nor there But

837

Katie: You didn't make an art painting and

put, secretly put it in a museum for her

838

to see later of the girl that you liked?

839

Steve: I didn't work as

a petrol attendant And

840

Katie: Well, speaking of the

petrol attendant, I was like, oh.

841

Was that a thi, like it

was a full service station.

842

We don't have those here except for in

certain states, and so maybe they did

843

in 1987, but this was California in 1987

and it was a full service gas station.

844

I didn't know that was a thing.

845

Steve: that's just again this is all

American fantasy to me You know I don't

846

this stuff even real anyway I don't know

You know completely a world away from

847

living in you know England in the in the

eighties That's that's a world away from

848

our situation And like I said we all did

this kind of thing where you know you

849

you're you've got the hots for some girl

or guy and and they're not even gonna look

850

give you a second look and the torture

the turmoil you know the teen angst that

851

you feel because of It So that's why we

love this stuff then is because it was

852

kind of it was aimed at us It was, mm-hmm.

853

We were going through It maybe less

dramatically or you know I never

854

you know got to you know I never got

with the the high school queen and

855

showed the bullies that I was know

856

Katie: It is like what

you wish you could do.

857

It's like every, you know?

858

Yeah.

859

Steve: at the end of the day you know

the hot girl gets with the hot guy

860

and you're the guy in the background's

like my life sucks That's how life

861

works isn't it For the most part

862

Katie: Mm-hmm.

863

So it's like fantasy

864

Steve: it is a fan It is a total fantasy.

865

really But then he doesn't the fantasy

route anyway It doesn't go that way

866

Katie: that was on purpose because yeah,

like John Hughes wanted to correct what,

867

what he did in Pretty and Pink, but yeah

868

Steve: yeah.

869

yeah Because life's not like that

That's not how it works And we know

870

that We learn that and we find that

out for ourselves and it destroys

871

us for what a couple of weeks maybe

872

Katie: Oh my gosh.

873

These high school movies, the things

that were so serious, like the fact that

874

Hardy Jens like threatens Amanda, like

making her you know, if you don't get back

875

with me, I'm gonna make your this year.

876

Hell, it's big deal.

877

Yeah.

878

And he does we see her

friends ice her out and stuff.

879

we see the stakes are so

high for, you know, the

880

Steve: But but for a teenager

881

Katie: It is, yeah.

882

Yeah.

883

It's wild.

884

That's why I, I was like,

Keith, listen to your dad.

885

Your dad is has your

best interest at heart.

886

Listen to your dad.

887

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

888

Steve: am Keith Stab now

889

Katie: Uhhuh.

890

Steve: From Beverly Hills Cop

891

Katie: Yeah.

892

So, yeah.

893

So finishing out the cat.

894

Yeah, he was Beverly Hills cop,

midnight Run and gone Baby Gone also.

895

Yeah.

896

Steve: Course

897

Katie: but, so Keith not Keith Hardy

Jones, which that's a wild name

898

is played by Craig Scheffer, and I

loved Craig Scheffer in the program.

899

Did you ever see the program?

900

He plays like the star

quarterback of whatever college.

901

Ooh.

902

It's like one of my favorite

sports movies of all time.

903

It's about football.

904

Steve: I've even heard of it

905

Katie: Oh, it's so good.

906

90, mid nineties.

907

Yeah, so that's who I know him from.

908

But A river runs through it.

909

And then I guess he's in the One

Tree Hill, or he was in the One

910

Tree Hill TV show, which I never

watched, but he kind of went away.

911

I don't know what happened

to Craig Scheffer, but he was

912

like kind of a heart throbby.

913

Steve: yeah I know him from a couple of

movies He was in a horror movie called

914

uh night night Breed which was Clive

Barkery did Hell Raiser He was the lead

915

in that but that kind of didn't do very

well And he's in a there's a really good

916

movie called Fire in the Sky which is

based on a true story production Oh,

917

and he's a there's a I think there's a

group of guys working in the forest on

918

you know timber and stuff and they're

driving home one night and they see a

919

fire in the sky and one of the guys gets

outta the car and runs towards it And

920

they're like no no no don't go there

Don't go there And he disappears for

921

I don't know weeks or months And then

mysteriously shows up again and Ooh.

922

this is based on a true that's

quite a well documented Abduction

923

Katie: That does sound interesting.

924

Steve: it's really quite bizarre

film And he's in that and he's I

925

think he's like a bully and that

he's got that kind of swagger

926

Katie: He does, he does.

927

Steve: in this I'm a little bit I guess

that's with the knowledge of what he

928

Katie: What happens?

929

Steve: I'm like come on man Craig

Shef would've kicked the crap outta it

930

Katie: But he's supposed to be that

like pretentious rich, like he's

931

too, too good to lower himself to

even take out the trash, so to speak.

932

That's kind of the

933

Steve: me and Scott do this all the

934

time We do a little bit of

fantasy filmmaking where I'm sort

935

of like be honest James Spader

should have played him in the in

936

Katie: Well, he was in Pretty and pink.

937

Steve: Yeah, I know.

938

Katie: Yeah I know

939

Steve: that's the that's my point really

is that's that character Craig Sheer

940

Katie: I see what you mean.

941

Steve: like

942

Katie: He is more tough.

943

I think he's, I think he kind

of pulls it off the both.

944

He is like, yeah, I think he pulls it off.

945

But I liked that he was, he

could beat the hell out of Keith.

946

Physically, but he choose he's

like, my guys can do that for me.

947

Steve: think but that's the clever

the clever thing about the movie

948

is Eric Stoltz as Keith he probably

would got his ass kicked Yeah.

949

but that's going to make people

hate you more than they already

950

do If you beat me up Mm-hmm.

951

you know people it's kind of one

of them things where you know

952

I've seen this in other movies

where Eric Stolz is manipulating

953

the situation in his way Mm-hmm.

954

Mm-hmm.

955

I'll beat you I'm smarter than you

You know you are just a sleazebag

956

who thinks everyone loves you but

everyone hates you anyway And if you

957

do this I'll let you do this Do you

know what I mean It's not even I don't

958

Katie: Yeah.

959

Steve: win this punch up or

960

Katie: Yeah, that's a good point.

961

Steve: win either way

962

Katie: True.

963

But do you also think maybe he had

a little extra confidence knowing

964

that Elias, is it Elias or Elias?

965

I wish I, Elias CO's character

and his crew come to save the day.

966

Does he know?

967

You know?

968

Steve: a yeah Yeah I see where

you're coming from but I I ultimately

969

think I don't think Eric Stoltz

really cares if he gets beat up

970

Katie: Yeah.

971

Yeah.

972

Both can be true.

973

Steve: Yeah But yeah I think he's

a bit like gonna stand up to you

974

because I've been in situations like

that myself with bullies where I'm

975

like yeah you're a bully and you're

tougher than me I'm not scared of you

976

Katie: I see.

977

I would be, I'd be like, don't beat me up.

978

Steve: it doesn't matter scared of you

or that you are tougher than me if I

979

don't stand up for myself what am I

980

Katie: True.

981

I mean, and that's one of the lessons.

982

Steve: talking about now

983

Katie: Yeah.

984

Yeah.

985

When you're a kid.

986

Yeah.

987

Steve: you you're like

I don't care Mm-hmm.

988

know I'll brush myself off and I'll

get on with it but I'm not gonna back

989

down and be a wuss You know Mm-hmm.

990

in them times you know But I guess in

more hysterical sensitive times of now

991

couldn't even make a film like this

Oh, there's, well, there are a lot of,

992

scene that makes when

she's with the headmaster

993

Katie: yes.

994

Steve: with the headmaster

where I'm like people would be

995

losing their minds over this

996

Katie: I actually kind of forgot.

997

I was like, oh my God, is she?

998

And it wore, oh my God.

999

So you guys, if you don't remember

the scene, Amanda, straight up

00:55:38,298 --> 00:55:41,388

like very suggestively, flirts.

00:55:41,508 --> 00:55:46,728

I don't know how else to describe it with,

I guess the Mr whoever who's the in charge

00:55:46,728 --> 00:55:48,588

of detention for that week or that day.

00:55:48,648 --> 00:55:51,468

The, the driver's ed teacher

to get out of detention.

00:55:51,468 --> 00:55:55,518

She like pulls his tie and

is touching him, flirty

00:55:56,013 --> 00:55:58,863

Steve: and tell him she likes

his hair it because he's bald so

00:55:58,863 --> 00:56:00,903

That's quite funny It was balding

00:56:00,978 --> 00:56:01,608

Katie: and it works.

00:56:01,608 --> 00:56:03,468

She gets outta detention like that.

00:56:03,558 --> 00:56:05,778

Like gross?

00:56:05,913 --> 00:56:09,378

Steve: but it is it is very sort

of like you couldn't do that now

00:56:09,858 --> 00:56:11,478

Katie: No, no.

00:56:11,478 --> 00:56:21,378

And Watts wouldn't be, they punch down at

her being not like traditionally feminine.

00:56:21,498 --> 00:56:21,978

Yeah.

00:56:22,908 --> 00:56:27,848

Well, so Elias Coia, I loved him in

this he plays Dunkin I guess he was

00:56:27,848 --> 00:56:31,508

discovered by John Hughes auditioning

for another John Hughes movie.

00:56:31,538 --> 00:56:32,708

She's having a baby,

00:56:33,938 --> 00:56:34,268

Steve: That's

00:56:34,358 --> 00:56:35,498

Katie: with Kevin Bacon.

00:56:35,678 --> 00:56:36,008

Yep.

00:56:36,068 --> 00:56:36,398

Yeah.

00:56:36,768 --> 00:56:39,528

And it was his suggestion that he

would be cast in the role of Dunkin

00:56:39,978 --> 00:56:45,498

and I guess Elias Coia studied

acting under Peter Masterson, who

00:56:45,498 --> 00:56:46,908

is Mary Stewart Masterson's dad.

00:56:48,318 --> 00:56:49,968

Steve: Ah interesting Yeah

00:56:50,298 --> 00:56:52,988

Katie: And you guys, he's a

super familiar face like the

00:56:52,988 --> 00:56:55,298

thin red line, the movie shooter.

00:56:55,908 --> 00:56:58,338

And he was uncredited

and she's having a baby.

00:56:58,788 --> 00:56:59,598

What do you know him from?

00:56:59,598 --> 00:57:00,678

I can't name things.

00:57:00,678 --> 00:57:02,058

I'm just like, oh, I know him.

00:57:02,118 --> 00:57:09,498

Steve: Do you know what I saw him in a

film called I think the first film I saw

00:57:09,498 --> 00:57:14,238

him in was in a film called The Well Apart

from this one of the first times I saw him

00:57:14,238 --> 00:57:16,638

was a film called The Prophecy Mm, mm-hmm.

00:57:16,998 --> 00:57:18,648

Walken Oh, okay.

00:57:19,008 --> 00:57:19,518

Yeah.

00:57:19,998 --> 00:57:21,393

in it as well It's Oh,

00:57:21,483 --> 00:57:24,723

the angels coming down to take a

ba this baby from this woman cause

00:57:24,723 --> 00:57:28,293

they think that's gonna end the war

between Heaven and hell It's all very

00:57:28,763 --> 00:57:28,983

Katie: oh,

00:57:29,463 --> 00:57:30,093

Steve: in as well

00:57:30,228 --> 00:57:30,588

Katie: oh.

00:57:30,588 --> 00:57:32,448

I can't believe I haven't seen this.

00:57:32,673 --> 00:57:36,273

Steve: it's good But I always I always

thought at that point when I saw him

00:57:36,273 --> 00:57:40,203

in The Prophecy which got about four

sequels that you don't wanna watch

00:57:40,243 --> 00:57:40,533

Katie: Okay.

00:57:41,298 --> 00:57:41,958

The first one

00:57:42,333 --> 00:57:45,273

Steve: cause it is a little bit

of a gem but he I just thought

00:57:45,273 --> 00:57:46,413

he looked like Robert De Niro

00:57:47,568 --> 00:57:52,698

Katie: he does have that look

like taxi driver, Robert and

00:57:52,698 --> 00:57:55,488

this, 'cause he is this like head?

00:57:55,488 --> 00:57:55,878

Yeah.

00:57:56,223 --> 00:57:58,533

Steve: is a really good little

movie actually And that's been sort

00:57:58,533 --> 00:58:03,348

of reevaluated in time That's kind

of got a bit of a status now Okay.

00:58:03,663 --> 00:58:09,398

him from in his ladies He was in the David

Fincher movie about the Zo Yeah okay.

00:58:09,398 --> 00:58:10,238

Yeah, yeah.

00:58:10,238 --> 00:58:10,658

Yeah.

00:58:10,913 --> 00:58:16,508

I mean it's not a big role but there are

There's only a couple of big roles in

00:58:16,508 --> 00:58:20,848

that movie but he's in that he's kind of

a he's a character actor right He's Yep.

00:58:21,118 --> 00:58:25,558

he's not he never really he didn't

elevate to become a leader I don't

00:58:25,558 --> 00:58:28,993

think but he's a solid character

00:58:29,203 --> 00:58:29,893

Katie: Super.

00:58:29,893 --> 00:58:30,913

Yeah, super solid.

00:58:31,223 --> 00:58:33,413

He, he was probably one

of my favorite characters.

00:58:34,403 --> 00:58:34,823

Yeah.

00:58:35,303 --> 00:58:36,323

Yeah, totally.

00:58:36,623 --> 00:58:40,013

I think a lot of the people in this,

like I said, I, I really enjoyed the

00:58:40,013 --> 00:58:42,383

performances even tertiary characters.

00:58:42,783 --> 00:58:46,713

Like Shane is the best friend of Amanda.

00:58:46,713 --> 00:58:48,213

She's played by Molly Hagan.

00:58:48,453 --> 00:58:48,723

She's

00:58:48,773 --> 00:58:52,763

a very familiar face, but she's kind of

one of those, she's been in a few long

00:58:52,763 --> 00:58:55,373

time TV series that I was unfamiliar with.

00:58:55,713 --> 00:58:57,543

But I was sort of like,

God, why do I know her?

00:58:57,543 --> 00:58:58,803

Why does she look so familiar?

00:58:59,133 --> 00:59:02,463

It is because I'm a big Golden Girls

fan and she was in one episode of

00:59:02,463 --> 00:59:06,903

the Golden Girls, where she plays the

bitchy daughter of Rose's boyfriend

00:59:07,023 --> 00:59:08,163

and is trying to break them up.

00:59:08,343 --> 00:59:10,443

Steve: among us doesn't

love the Golden Girls

00:59:10,623 --> 00:59:11,283

Katie: Right.

00:59:11,283 --> 00:59:12,663

It is so good.

00:59:12,873 --> 00:59:15,543

Steve: I'll sing the theme tune if you

want but you might have to edit it out

00:59:18,273 --> 00:59:19,593

Katie: Oh my God, I love it so much.

00:59:19,683 --> 00:59:25,773

Steve: there's a I can't I couldn't

find the guy's name but head well not

00:59:26,283 --> 00:59:31,863

Katie: Scott Coffee Ray, he plays, he

is, he was really good in this too.

00:59:31,863 --> 00:59:33,123

Like he, he, so,

00:59:33,423 --> 00:59:33,633

Steve: in this

00:59:34,593 --> 00:59:35,163

Katie: yes.

00:59:35,163 --> 00:59:35,643

Oh my God.

00:59:35,643 --> 00:59:40,363

So Ray played by Scott Coffee who you,

you've seen him, but he's not well known.

00:59:40,483 --> 00:59:45,193

He he's the guy that Watts

like uses to try to make Keith.

00:59:45,793 --> 00:59:46,543

Jealous.

00:59:46,603 --> 00:59:47,203

What?

00:59:47,563 --> 00:59:47,743

Yeah.

00:59:47,743 --> 00:59:48,973

What were the lines?

00:59:49,013 --> 00:59:49,663

He's like, do?

00:59:49,663 --> 00:59:52,903

You know how much damage we could

do to each other in an hour?

00:59:53,623 --> 00:59:56,153

And she's like, that's revolting.

00:59:56,183 --> 00:59:58,223

And he's like, what does revolting mean?

00:59:58,943 --> 01:00:01,703

So there were a lot of funny

bits like that in this.

01:00:01,778 --> 01:00:10,278

Steve: it's all I always found it

as as humorous It's not loud Mm-hmm.

01:00:10,488 --> 01:00:10,908

Mm-hmm.

01:00:11,058 --> 01:00:19,998

It's more hu It's it's like subtle humor

and not Yeah Just not over the top giggles

01:00:19,998 --> 01:00:28,248

as such It is it's it is just kind of

like it's just but in a more subtle way

01:00:28,248 --> 01:00:30,028

I I just think it's not a comedy is it

01:00:30,393 --> 01:00:34,788

Katie: No, it's a, but it's, mean,

it's very well written and John

01:00:34,788 --> 01:00:36,303

Hughes, I think, showed up for this.

01:00:36,303 --> 01:00:41,403

Sometimes, I mean, he, I, as I've seen

in a few of my recent episodes, like

01:00:41,403 --> 01:00:43,443

he, I was like, what's going on here?

01:00:43,633 --> 01:00:48,623

You know, but this, I feel like he

really showed up even the, the sister.

01:00:48,683 --> 01:00:52,773

So there's a couple sisters that,

that Keith has Laura, like the middle

01:00:52,773 --> 01:00:58,163

sister is played by Maddie Corman, and

she's a working character actress too.

01:00:58,208 --> 01:00:58,628

Mm-hmm.

01:00:58,768 --> 01:00:59,748

Steve: I'm not sure from what

01:01:00,623 --> 01:01:02,853

Katie: She's got a few

recurring shows on Mr.

01:01:02,853 --> 01:01:04,863

President was a late eighties show.

01:01:05,223 --> 01:01:07,053

All American Girl was a mid nineties show.

01:01:07,053 --> 01:01:08,163

I'm not familiar with them.

01:01:08,523 --> 01:01:13,893

I did see that she was in three

episodes of Law and Order playing

01:01:14,193 --> 01:01:15,393

three different characters.

01:01:15,393 --> 01:01:18,663

You know how shows like

that will reuse people.

01:01:19,443 --> 01:01:19,773

Yeah.

01:01:20,253 --> 01:01:21,753

Yeah, so that's Maddie Corman.

01:01:22,173 --> 01:01:27,453

The mom is played by Carol Nelson and she

I didn't recognize her at all, but she is

01:01:27,543 --> 01:01:32,583

apparently an extremely well known soap

actress general hospital in Days of our

01:01:32,583 --> 01:01:34,443

Lives, which I don't, I'm unfamiliar.

01:01:34,498 --> 01:01:35,058

Steve: I've heard of

01:01:36,633 --> 01:01:39,093

Katie: What did you think

of Candace Cameron in this

01:01:39,153 --> 01:01:41,013

playing The littlest sister?

01:01:41,073 --> 01:01:42,123

Steve: She was great

01:01:42,333 --> 01:01:43,743

Katie: So great.

01:01:43,833 --> 01:01:45,483

Steve: for all our little knowledge facts

01:01:47,703 --> 01:01:48,633

She was brilliant

01:01:49,473 --> 01:01:53,613

Katie: like, it was a strange again, all

the characters kind of had something and.

01:01:53,793 --> 01:01:54,543

Steve: Have their moment

01:01:55,113 --> 01:01:55,503

Katie: Yeah.

01:01:55,503 --> 01:01:57,693

And her character trait was

like, what would you say?

01:01:57,693 --> 01:01:58,823

She's eight maybe.

01:01:58,823 --> 01:01:59,153

I don't know.

01:01:59,153 --> 01:02:00,023

How old do you think she,

01:02:00,263 --> 01:02:01,553

Steve: yeah Roughly around that

01:02:01,973 --> 01:02:06,263

Katie: so she had some, like her

vocab and intellect were like

01:02:06,263 --> 01:02:07,823

that of a college professor.

01:02:08,033 --> 01:02:11,573

But it's funny 'cause it's coming

out of a, of an eight year old's

01:02:11,573 --> 01:02:15,713

mouth and she delivers, I mean

she was really good I think.

01:02:15,763 --> 01:02:16,513

Steve: Natural

01:02:16,873 --> 01:02:20,053

Katie: yeah, I mean high praise and

I usually don't like kids in movies,

01:02:20,053 --> 01:02:24,293

but it's clear why she went on to

become a successful child actor.

01:02:25,343 --> 01:02:26,393

Steve: Right Yeah No I,

01:02:26,813 --> 01:02:28,313

From the start of the movie I was like oh

01:02:28,338 --> 01:02:28,458

Katie: I

01:02:28,733 --> 01:02:32,783

Steve: funny She's but again it's it's

done in a more of a quirky way She's just

01:02:32,963 --> 01:02:35,843

got these in her head that she's just

01:02:37,103 --> 01:02:38,933

Katie: this isn't a well-balanced meal.

01:02:38,933 --> 01:02:42,443

I think I'm missing one of the major

food groups or something like that.

01:02:42,443 --> 01:02:42,953

Yeah

01:02:42,953 --> 01:02:43,403

Steve: Yeah.

01:02:43,563 --> 01:02:45,003

So yeah she was great too

01:02:45,763 --> 01:02:47,803

Katie: Did you recognize China Phillips.

01:02:48,148 --> 01:02:51,778

From Wilson Phillips in this, did

you know who her character was?

01:02:51,853 --> 01:02:52,663

Steve: No

01:02:53,098 --> 01:02:55,738

Katie: I knew she was in this, and

then I had kind of forgotten when

01:02:55,738 --> 01:02:57,388

I was watching to look for her.

01:02:58,168 --> 01:03:02,068

This was one of her earliest film

appearances predating her like Wilson

01:03:02,068 --> 01:03:04,858

Phillips from the nineties music career.

01:03:05,048 --> 01:03:05,338

Steve: yeah

01:03:05,908 --> 01:03:11,428

Katie: and famously China Phillips is the

daughter of John and Michelle Phillips

01:03:11,488 --> 01:03:13,228

the Mamas and the Papas Music Group.

01:03:13,273 --> 01:03:14,083

Steve: right Yeah

01:03:14,848 --> 01:03:18,898

Katie: Well, also about her, I

didn't realize this, but she has been

01:03:18,898 --> 01:03:21,898

01:03:22,378 --> 01:03:23,008

They're still married.

01:03:23,983 --> 01:03:28,018

They, so she, anyway, so

her, she has a name, I guess.

01:03:28,078 --> 01:03:31,858

Her name is Mia in this and she

plays the blonde girl that we see

01:03:31,858 --> 01:03:33,958

Hardy like cheating on Amanda with.

01:03:34,108 --> 01:03:34,918

Steve: Yes

01:03:35,128 --> 01:03:36,058

Katie: That's who she plays.

01:03:37,003 --> 01:03:39,253

Yes, we see her a couple times.

01:03:39,313 --> 01:03:39,763

Mm-hmm.

01:03:40,853 --> 01:03:45,293

And then the Museum guard is

played by Carmine Cari, who is a,

01:03:45,593 --> 01:03:48,023

also a familiar character actor.

01:03:48,233 --> 01:03:51,713

So the Museum guard is also

apparently Duncan's dad.

01:03:52,853 --> 01:03:56,813

was kind of a fun, and that's how

Duncan gets him access to the museum,

01:03:57,123 --> 01:03:57,473

Steve: Right

01:03:57,893 --> 01:03:59,513

Katie: for the big, the big date.

01:04:00,053 --> 01:04:03,533

And he was in both the Godfather

Two and the Godfather three,

01:04:03,683 --> 01:04:05,003

but in different roles.

01:04:06,938 --> 01:04:10,208

Steve: I didn't get time but I recognize

him from something else and it's been

01:04:10,208 --> 01:04:14,288

driving me absolutely nuts So I'll

have to I have to study up on him

01:04:14,318 --> 01:04:15,698

cause He, is been in a lot of things

01:04:16,013 --> 01:04:19,173

Katie: He yeah, he has I never

watched the TV show fame,

01:04:19,173 --> 01:04:20,973

but he played Angelo in that.

01:04:22,188 --> 01:04:23,808

Steve: might be where

I recognized him from

01:04:24,063 --> 01:04:27,093

Katie: And also, I don't know

if you ever watched NYPD Blue.

01:04:27,858 --> 01:04:28,488

Steve: that Bruno's

01:04:28,623 --> 01:04:29,193

Katie: I don't know Angela.

01:04:29,268 --> 01:04:30,738

Steve: fame I think that might be

01:04:30,783 --> 01:04:31,293

Katie: Okay.

01:04:31,338 --> 01:04:32,868

Steve: it You know that's all coming back

01:04:32,928 --> 01:04:37,748

Katie: I, I didn't watch that, but he

played Detective Vince Elli on NYPD.

01:04:37,748 --> 01:04:38,678

Blue also.

01:04:38,828 --> 01:04:40,178

Steve: no it wouldn't be from that That

01:04:40,298 --> 01:04:40,658

Katie: Yeah.

01:04:40,868 --> 01:04:41,828

Steve: well be from Fame.

01:04:42,218 --> 01:04:43,418

Katie: Fame Yeah, yeah.

01:04:43,448 --> 01:04:43,988

Maybe.

01:04:44,048 --> 01:04:45,608