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Daniel Walsh grew up with a father who was a plumber, but he couldn't have foreseen that his career would eventually lead him to serve people just like his dad.
He ended up creating a tech platform for the trades. Daniel is the founder of VeroSkills, an AI hiring platform built to solve one of the biggest headaches in the trades, finding good people fast, without the cost of a full staffing agency.
We talk about how small businesses like his dad's never had access to real recruiting firepower, and how VeroSkills is closing that gap by running AI-driven interviews that actually test trade knowledge instead of just scanning resumes.
We also get into the bigger picture behind why this matters right now. An entire generation, maybe two, got pushed toward college and away from the trades, and the shortage we're living with today is the bill coming due.
Daniel's take is that the trades are about to become some of the best jobs around, especially as AI and infrastructure investment ramp up, and that convincing the next generation of that is the real challenge ahead.
Highlights:
- Daniel's path from a plumber's son to building an AI hiring platform for the trades.
- Why small blue collar businesses have never had real access to staffing help, and how that's changing.
- The labor shortage as a long time coming, not a surprise.
- Why the trades might be some of the best jobs of the next decade.
If you're looking for a change or you're trying to hire good people without knowing the right person to call, check out VeroSkills. Make sure to subscribe to the show so you never miss episodes. We appreciate you being here.
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Hey everyone, welcome back to this episode of the Blue Collar BS podcast. As you may be aware of this particular episode, usually Steve brings the show in, does his thing, is loud obnoxious shit, and then all of a sudden we banter. Well, Steve decided to go to Arizona, go get some training on a Friday afternoon, had these sessions to make. I don't know what that's all about, but apparently it was more important than being here. So.
Daniel Walsh (:Thank you.
Daniel Walsh (:Thank
Brad Herda (:I get to be here today with our guest Daniel Welsh, who is the founder and CEO of VeroSkills, an AI hiring engine, transforming blue collar America. And guess what? That's who we serve amid severe labor shortages. VeroSkills deploys a proprietary AI system. Interesting AI, where everybody's all mad about AI that replaces traditional HR department.
Daniel Walsh (:. Thank you.
Brad Herda (:autonomously sourcing searching and qualifying trades workers at a massive scale and As most trades workers are not out on platforms where most hiring takes place I can only imagine that there's some really cool shit that you're doing Behind the scenes to make those matches work Daniel. Thank you so much for being here. I greatly appreciate it
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, thanks for having me. I knew you needed somebody to be able to talk shit about Steve for the whole time. yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the only reason I got the invite, I thought. Yeah, no.
Brad Herda (:Perfect. Thank you. Thank you for stepping up.
Thank you.
So as Steve starts every show, what generation or what generation do you part of or belong to or feel you identify?
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, I am a millennial. yeah, and I feel like I belong to that generation, although we get a lot of interest too. Sometimes I lean into that, sometimes I lean out of that.
Brad Herda (:Well, yeah, I mean, as the tech guy, that's that's, know, you write, you're mostly a digital native. You've had that trend. You've had that ability of being able to do so. And right. And I look at your background, the marketing side of things and, you know, other pieces that you've done throughout your career on the platform on LinkedIn here. How did how did you. Birth this organization that is making
significant changes in the blue.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah. you know, I, you know, it's actually, it's kind of funny. grew up, my dad was a plumber and ran a plumbing company. He's been a plumber for 48 years and you know, the one thing
Brad Herda (:He's not calling you to find people, I bet. Even though you probably could.
Daniel Walsh (:No, no, he's not. He still doesn't quite know what I do, actually. You know, that's been the case since I was 17. But he, you know, he is, it's so funny. He's, you know, been a plumber for 48 years. And, you know, I grew up thinking, you know, I'm going to get into technology. This is everything I want to do for my life, right? Because like, I've worked with my dad and like, you know,
It's good, it's good hard work. But I said, Hey, I can, I can build websites and apps and software. And, know, funny enough, full cycle. Now I've come back on, I'm helping plumbers get placed into jobs and, you know, and serving the blue collar world. I, you know, so I've been in technology my whole career.
And, you know, technology has always been a way to solve problems. And the best technology solves problems in the real world, you know, and, you know, not in the metaverse, you know, typically.
Brad Herda (:We're just coming off the CES show so that's always interesting too. So my timing
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, yeah, there's always Yeah, I was I was looking at this one thing and they're like, we're building the school in the metaverse. And I was like, why do we need that? You know, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, there's a school down the block. And you can, you know, meet real people and shake their hands, you know. But, know, technology has always been a way to solve problems and
Brad Herda (:We have schools right here, they're right there, they're right down the road.
Daniel Walsh (:my whole career has kind of been around that and building, you know, building software for people that solved kind of unique, problems in the world. And, and I just saw there was this really during 2020. So the last company I ran was a company that helped people get into careers in
ng and coding. And I saw over:was terrified because so many people had these jobs that went away overnight. And then I saw it my program that I ran my company where we had 20,000 people apply to come through and learn coding. But the reality was, I think it was like 19,500 weren't able to get into coding.
because they couldn't afford the program or they couldn't take off work. And it just kept on bothering me that like, hey, what are the tangible skills that like you could get a job with today? like, what are those gonna be for somebody that just can't come up with $20,000 to go through and get these, you know.
tech skills. And it, when I started leaning into that problem, I just realized the blue collar world is, has been in such a desperate place. Kind of thinking back to how my dad's company ran, he was always, yeah.
Brad Herda (:That's interesting. when you say, okay, so clarify for me desperate. Tell me the context behind the selection of that word. I'm curious.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, so.
Daniel Walsh (:Well, you know, something that it feels like that I've seen is that all of the energy around solving like, you know, the world's greatest problems has focused on the tech sector has focused on, you know, the finance sector is focused on these big areas, but where we're not seeing, you know, the
of modernization happen as quickly is in the blue collar world.
Brad Herda (:Well, that's because your dad doesn't want it to happen.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, that's right. And if you met my dad, you would say exactly that.
Brad Herda (:And so truly that is and that's where this generational shift is and transformation and the know the transition of wealth in these organizations that you know dad has the plumbing business. Daniel, are you taking over dad's plumbing business? Nope.
Daniel Walsh (:That's right.
Brad Herda (:And is somebody is that one of dad's employees want to take over dad's plowing business for pennies on the dollar? Maybe and maybe that's dad's egg is tragic. Most haven't even thought about how they're going to get out because it's that transition of. You've had a career, many careers, but you are Daniel Welsh. You are the guy and you solve problems. Your dad is a your dad, Mr Walsh, but he's going to say who I'm a plumber and I am Mr Walsh, right?
Daniel Walsh (:Yep.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah.
Daniel Walsh (:That's right. That's right.
Brad Herda (:A plumber, she is not Mr. Walsh. And that's a significant difference in the blue collar world and the manufacturing space. I'm a welder, I'm a this. Particularly the boomers and the Gen Xers, our identity is the job, not us personally.
Daniel Walsh (:That's right. Yeah.
Daniel Walsh (:That's right. That's right. Yeah. you know, and I've seen, you know, I think the desperation I'm kind of talking to is from what I've seen is that we've kind of educated all of the younger generations, myself included, that like, hey, your picket to a kind of golden, you know, American dream.
is learning how to code, is getting a computer science degree, is getting into a good white-collar job.
Brad Herda (:Yeah, because we told two generations they're not good enough. We can't find we can't find good people. Well, you got a lot of really good people that have now aged out of the opportunity to try something new.
Daniel Walsh (:That's right.
Daniel Walsh (:That's right. That's right. And like, it was crazy because now what I'm seeing today is there is such a need for plumbers, electricians, construction workers, and we need the next generation to come in. like, the time is like, is really now and
Brad Herda (:Correct.
Daniel Walsh (:And now the governments of the world society is starting to wake up and realize, Hey, the jobs that are actually going to be in few supply going forward are the software engineering jobs. Are these more white collar established roles? That's actually what AI and that technology can easily kind of come in and replace. But what we need.
to build out the trillions of dollars worth of infrastructure going into AI is more construction workers, more plumbers, more electricians. And these are great paying jobs. so like, think, you know, part of literally our whole way of operating as a company is we have to actually educate this next generation and inspire them about these careers because the
you know, kind of scene on the field today is there's not enough young folks that are seeing these opportunities and getting excited about them. And so we're, we're trying to really change that.
Brad Herda (:Yeah. And it's a math problem. mean, and it's been a math problem for decades, right? It's just, and the math problem doesn't get any easier moving forward. So everybody can all chill out about AI replacing all these, it know that there'll be, there'll be jobs all over the place. white collar, blue collar, great. There'll be jobs everywhere because AI is not taking over the planet and it won't take over the planet.
Daniel Walsh (:That's right.
Daniel Walsh (:There will be jobs all over. Yeah. That's right.
Brad Herda (:That's just my take on it. It's right when we got the copy machines or we got the fax machine. the fax machines are gonna replace the post office. Did it? Email's gonna replace the post office. Did it? There's.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah.
Yeah. My favorite one is there was this whole industry of people that would scoop up the crap behind carriages inside of cities. like that was like a huge industry that employed hundreds of thousands of workers, you know, in all the major cities. And at first it was like a huge uproar. know, people are losing their jobs because automobiles were coming out and they're like, Hey, you know,
What are we gonna do? And then they got better paying jobs in factories and they didn't have to scoop crap all day. And you know what? I think they were happier for it, you know, so.
Brad Herda (:Right. So how does your platform work? What is this? What's the kind of the secret sauce for Vero Skills and to connecting people to opportunities and things like that?
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah. So our whole thing is we are able to, we are able to use the latest and greatest, you know, AI models to be able to evaluate. You know, in the same time period, your large Deco, Ronston kind of staffing agency would, would evaluate a thousand candidates might take them a month, you know, to do that, that level of candidates for.
you know, say Honda or one of these companies, we can do that in hours. And so because of that, we're able to match candidates and employers far greater because we're looking at so much more detail that makes that individual candidate a great worker. And, you know, maybe they need to start in a more entry level position, but then build their career up to where they can be a master or journeyman.
level worker. And so we use, you know, AI to conduct hour long interviews with the candidates. We're doing live evaluations on the call where we're saying, okay, you're a plumber. You what would you do if you were installing an A.O. Smith water heater? What kind of pipe would you be using? You know, like just things that like
You're not gonna have a regular recruiter being able to ask these kinds of questions and really understand. We're able to like really test knowledge so well. And then it does the full process. So it adds them to, it does a full background check on candidates. It can schedule the candidates to go out on the job. can...
coordinate with the customer to change the time that a candidate needs to show up. So it's going through all those steps to...
Brad Herda (:And is it also doing the research to get candidates to apply or is it just the once applications are taken type scenario?
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, so we essentially take candidates from a bunch of places, like hundreds of different places. So they'll come from all different kinds of job boards, social media even. And then they kind of go through our technology stack that helps them kind of determine where their skills are at today and then where they can find great opportunities with employers. So we kind of take them from a bit of everywhere.
Brad Herda (:And is, and is the, so we'll just go back to your dad, right? We'll go back to Walsh plumbing here and say, okay, dad's look, dad's looking for a plumber. He's looking for one person. He's looking at one person come in that. You can train, educate, do the thing. It's not going to be high volume. Not going to be, is that a, is that one off in an industry? Is that something that is in your wheelhouse or are you gearing it? You'd made mention of Honda or, know, we've got these massive.
investments supposedly coming forward here in the US with all these new factories and new places, you know, in the Southeast. How or is that more what this is geared towards? Help me understand where the sweet spot is so that our audience can better gauge.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, so we are, you the cool thing is staffing and recruiting firms have historically not been able to serve my dad's company, you know, and serve companies of that size because in a deco that has a thousand recruiters, you know, to
to justify the cost of filling one plumbing role and being done, it just wouldn't make sense for them. So what we're able to do is we're able to serve that entire kind of small business blue collar industry through our platform. so, know, my dad, right? Like the one thing, if I called my dad or somebody else called my dad and said, hey dad,
Or, Hey Pat, you know, we have this great service that uses AI and we're going to send you a plumber and it goes through all this technology sorting. He would say, get the hell out of here. Don't call again and hang up. He, you know, he'd have no idea what I was talking about. And, know, and, and he would like, that was weird, you know? And so how did they get my, yeah.
Brad Herda (:did they get my number? How'd they find out?
Daniel Walsh (:Who is this? He would probably say, who is this? and you know what I read? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. My dad was one of the biggest yellow page advertisers back in the day. That was his bread and butter. But, you know, for this demographic to like use AI, AI has to be doing such a good job.
Brad Herda (:They got it from the yellow pages or the matchbooks that you must be having 30 years ago, one or the other.
Daniel Walsh (:that it sends a candidate, it does everything they need to be, that needs to be done. But they don't know that all this work is coming together in a way that can't be done, you know, with an army of recruiters. And they don't need to know that this is an AI, you know, kind of a sourcing engine that's doing it. They just need a candidate that quite frankly shows up, has the skills, is reliable.
and does a great job. so like that's our whole thing is like our sales pitch to a small business is not like, hey, we've got some really cool AI gizmos and gadgets, we're gonna, you know, we're gonna send out people to you. It's hey, we can find you the best of the best. Just give us a shot. You know, lot of people do something called our test drive model where
We send out a candidate for a day for eight hours and they can see the quality instantly of what we're able to do. And so that's like, it's almost like for this to work with this demographic, they don't need to be thinking it's AI. They just need to say, this is an incredible experience.
Brad Herda (:Okay. And so are there, we talked about blue collar a little bit, but are you, exclusive blue collar or are you getting into some of the support roles within a, right? So maybe your dad's got an accountant or a CFO and he needs to find a replacement person for that. Are we getting into those support roles as well or more just in the direct labor side of things?
Daniel Walsh (:We've really, know, whenever we get outside of like the kind of direct labor kind of skills, specialty skills that we're kind of sorting, it just, it starts becoming something that we're getting outside of our wheelhouse on. So what we've always said is like, hey, there's enough people trying to solve the...
Brad Herda (:Okay.
Daniel Walsh (:administrative assistance or the accountant world or the tech world. But blue collar has been the thing that hasn't seen a lot of love. So that's where we try to focus.
Brad Herda (:Okay. Is I'm going to ask for very selfish reasons. is the, is the transport like truck drivers, transportation, warehousing, is that in your wheelhouse or is it quickly? Okay. All right. I'm asking that question. I'm just that question. Like I client that needs to go out and hire a bunch of truck drivers and it's like, huh, interesting. So.
Daniel Walsh (:Yes, it is. Yep, yep, absolutely. So it covers a wide variety.
Daniel Walsh (:Yep. the cool thing is we, you know, we can look at like there was a day the other day where I think we did over 10,000 interviews in the, in one day, like that was going on. yeah, like, you know, like your biggest staffing firms in the world to do that many interviews like is literally insanity. So like,
Brad Herda (:That is just, that is mind blowing.
Daniel Walsh (:For us, we're able to like find.
Brad Herda (:So just so everybody knows, that's 416 interviews an hour over a 24 hour day. And your average length of interview is what?
Daniel Walsh (:an hour long.
Brad Herda (:Yeah, that's 416 hours every hour that is happening. Holy that is wow.
Daniel Walsh (:Every hour. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's where AI can help people and help companies. I think it's going to be one of the greatest tools for human flourishing, actually, because people will find better opportunities and companies can get better candidates.
Brad Herda (:So for the input from me, if I'm the employer, how clear does my input to you need to be so I can find that right person? Do I need to clearly define skills, experience, expertise, behavioral models, different things? What is it that I need to you for input so I can get an appropriate output?
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, so we typically do about two onboarding calls with each employer to the platform. And so those are very critical because every employer has nuances that are different. Culture differences, everything can be different. So even though like a lot of the role... No.
Brad Herda (:Okay.
Brad Herda (:Have you?
Brad Herda (:So it's not just fill in a form, here you go. And it's not like online ordering a pizza. I want cheese, sausage, mushroom, here we go. And next thing you know, pizza's a hard one. Okay. Well, I think that's an important differentiator is that there's still, there is that. Because when I work with clients on hiring, it's like, cool, we can define the skill. I don't necessarily care about the skill. I care more about the person and the behavior so can at least teach them the widget way of doing things.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, not yet. Yeah.
Daniel Walsh (:That's right.
Brad Herda (:you know, and what bad habits exist or don't, and most organizations don't have clarity on that at all. And, and that's where a good hire happens is to have some things, have some robustness behind it, to be able to find the right, find the right people, versus just finding the right skill.
Daniel Walsh (:Yes.
Daniel Walsh (:That's right. it's, you know, what we've found too, that's super cool is we do all these onboarding calls with thousands of different companies and every onboarding call that we do, we're building a data profile that allows us to make the next hire and the next hire and the next hire after that so much better. we're, we're, you know, there's, there's trends that are similar.
And a lot of people will say, you know, the same, same similar things. So.
Brad Herda (:you man, your regression analysis and trend analysis for what's happening within various industries, my gosh. The opportunity is gonna be, hey, no, this skill is no longer required. This is where it's going. And to tell dad that, hey, know what, soldering, hot soldering, yeah, no, don't need to worry about that anymore, dad, because we're using all the compression fittings or led.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah.
Yeah. Right.
Brad Herda (:lead pipe awareness or whatever. No, you're, that is freaking awesome. I'm going to have to keep you in my back pocket, Daniel, because there's going be some things that it's like, huh, what's going on in this industry?
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, so cool because it-
Yeah.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, I'll be your genie in a bottle. Yeah.
Brad Herda (:Yeah, what's yeah get me on that newsletter because that's gonna be an important newsletter to be on and so How do people find you Daniel? Where do they get you? How do they find your opportunity or take the demo and take it for a test ride all those fun things?
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, absolutely. So you can go to veroskills.com and if you're a candidate looking for a new role, you can go in there. You can start your interviewing process and start your career journey with us. If you're an employer, the same is true. You can fill out some information and then start kind of an onboarding process to hire folks.
Brad Herda (:So yeah, I think it's very important for those that are listening to this show that are looking for change or opportunity or life change. Life happens and sometimes you just don't know. And this seems like a, instead of me having to know somebody to be able to make that happen, this may be another opportunity for you to increase or find a better, a wider net within your, for your skill set and for your attributes to be able to be found versus.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah.
Brad Herda (:I need to know John who needs to know Sally who needs to know Bill who happens to be the son-in-law of the guy that owns that company. okay, cool. And that takes a long time to make those connections.
Daniel Walsh (:It does. does. you know, I like, think for me, the thing that's the most exciting is the blue collar jobs of tomorrow are going to be some of the most exciting jobs that anybody can have. You're you think about like all the work that's going to happen in construction and electrical and plumbing, all this work to build the infrastructure of the future.
Brad Herda (:Mm-hmm.
Daniel Walsh (:And this is like the new caller class of jobs that is going to happen. It's kind of the fusion of like working with your hands and working with technology to build out everything that's happening. that's what gets me excited. That's what I feel young people can be inspired by. Like I'm shaping the future. I get to do something with my hands. You know, that's, that's, you know, the thing that's exciting. I, yeah, I, I'm hoping we can bring a lot of young people.
know, millennials and Gen Z into this, into this, in Gen Alpha. Yep.
Brad Herda (:Well, and and Jenna Alpha, which is right behind because because they're they're 14 years old right now and starting this year or two years away from the potentially, you know, after work, different things. And they're a very different learning generation and very different expectations of of of what what I would have called just general workplace behavior. Humor would now be.
Big-time bullying and different things and that's potentially Where it's like whoa hang on no that hmm. Let's put things in context here, but somewhat a lot of it can't shouldn't be happening shouldn't have happened when I was growing up and shouldn't happen today, but that that blue car we got to go through that transition as a as a Society and as a whole to to make that be okay
Daniel Walsh (:Yep.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah
Daniel Walsh (:Right?
Brad Herda (:So this is the point in the show where I'm going to do a little rapid fire questions for you.
Daniel Walsh (:Great, awesome, I'm ready, hopefully.
Brad Herda (:So we're gonna see what's going on here. Dumbest thing you ever heard in a meeting.
Daniel Walsh (:dumbest thing I ever heard in a meeting. Hmm. That's a good question. yeah, that's right. you know, I, I think in the tech world, everybody, like, everybody is saying everything about like, how AI is going to replace jobs. And I, the other day, I literally heard somebody say, you know, this is just the next evolution.
Brad Herda (:I can't be your dad's can't be from your dad.
Daniel Walsh (:of mankind. AI is going to replace us." And I said, you're an idiot. We're building this. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Yeah. Pro humanity.
Brad Herda (:Wow, okay, I'm on your side on that one. If you had a time machine, what year would you go back to and why?
Daniel Walsh (:Hmm. this is good.
Daniel Walsh (:I find the industrial revolution a pretty fascinating time period. Just when railroads were going up across America, cities were being built for the first time, like skyscrapers. That's such a fascinating time. Then also the oil boom was happening. That's a very fascinating part of history for me. To be able to see that would be really cool.
Brad Herda (:Okay, what's your go-to excuse when running late?
Daniel Walsh (:Meeting's running longer. You know, yeah, yeah, right. That's right. Hey, sorry, my son, you know, was up last night, you know.
Brad Herda (:It's gotten away, sorry.
Brad Herda (:Beer or bourbon?
Daniel Walsh (:I love bourbon. I'm a big bourbon guy. So that would kind of be my go-to.
Brad Herda (:coffee or energy drink.
Daniel Walsh (:definitely coffee. I will have six cups of black coffee in a day, usually.
Brad Herda (:Okay, go to curse word.
Daniel Walsh (:am I allowed to say it here on the show? Okay. Probably fuck is the one I tend to lead into the most. Yes.
Brad Herda (:It is the leader in the clubhouse. Favorite candy.
Daniel Walsh (:Favorite candy, this is gonna be an odd one, prepare yourself to judge me, but candy corn, I really like candy corn. You're gonna, this I know, the show will not air now. Yep, I blew it. Okay, yeah, we'll get past that with therapy and time.
Brad Herda (:Wow. Okay. All right. I can only imagine what one of the answers to some of the questions down the stream is going to be because I'll guess it, but my. Whoa. Here we go. Hey, let's get some bourbon, some black coffee and some candy corn and call it a party.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, this isn't a good setup.
Daniel Walsh (:You
Now it's a party. I am an early bird. I get up 5 a.m. every day.
Brad Herda (:Wow, early birders right out.
Brad Herda (:Okay, what's in your lunchbox today?
Daniel Walsh (:You're that. OK, this is actually pretty hilarious. It's peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. It's you know. Yeah, hey, I just put it all out there. Yeah.
Brad Herda (:Nothing wrong with that.
Brad Herda (:There is a guy that I went to high school with. started a restaurant called the Peanut Butter and Jelly Deli. that's, it is premium peanut butter, custom jellies, and a combination of different ingredients and stuff on really good bread. I am all on board with that. So you're not going to hear.
Daniel Walsh (:I would be there every day. If that was around me, that would be my go-to.
Brad Herda (:Let's see here. Best pizza topping and you cannot say pineapple. Please don't say pineapple since you're a candy corn guy. Please don't say pineapple. Please. It's gonna be pineapple, isn't it? Of course it is.
Daniel Walsh (:Yeah, I do.
Daniel Walsh (:It is pineapple, I swear to you!
Daniel Walsh (:you
I already know the episode won't air, so...
Brad Herda (:favorite TV show to binge.
Daniel Walsh (:I love the office. The office is just, I've seen it through probably nine times.
Brad Herda (:Okay, favorite movie quote.
Daniel Walsh (:Daniel Walsh (33:11.246)
You know, it's got to be some quote from like Batman or something. I think probably. I this is going to be funny, but that scene from The Dark Knight rises when when Bane is like, you've merely adopted the darkness. I was bored. It's just like it's like, whoa, that's intense. So I don't know how that fits into my life, but you know.
Brad Herda (:Well, let's see. That's exactly where I was going to go. It's freaking pineapple candy corner.
Daniel Walsh (:That's the one that's coming to mind right now. Fits with the pineapple and candy corn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. You'll recommend a great therapist after the show. Yeah.
Brad Herda (:Favorite music.
Daniel Walsh (:Favorite music. You know, I just did the Spotify, how old are you based upon your, you know, your music interest. And it said I was 70 based upon my music interest. So that was pretty interesting. So I'm a big old school guy.
Brad Herda (:Okay. So is it 50s or is it 50s classic or is it 60s?
Daniel Walsh (:It's like 60s and 70s. I'm pretty big into that.
Brad Herda (:Okay.
Brad Herda (:Favorite sport.
Daniel Walsh (:So this is gonna go with the pineapple and all that. Here it comes. No, no, no, no, no, not quite. So I really like the UFC. I'm a big, like, I get really big into that. So that's my favorite. Other than that, I live in Alabama. So, you if I didn't watch football, I would, you know, not be able to live in Alabama.
Brad Herda (:Is it going to be quidditch? I'm going say quidditch or something like that.
Brad Herda (:correct, you'd be exporting. Bucket list, bucket list, vacation, location.
Daniel Walsh (:That's right.
Daniel Walsh (:I think for me, I've just, I'm a tech guy, so I've always had the computer background of those huts on the water in Bora Bora. So, I think that would be just awesome.
Brad Herda (:I got a travel agent if you need one.
Daniel Walsh (:Okay, good. Yes, yes. Hopefully, a few years if everything goes well. Whenever, thank you. Thank you, Brad. Yeah.
Brad Herda (:Yeah.
Brad Herda (:When everything goes well, not an if, it's not an if, it's a one. No you won't. All right, living or dead, who would you want to have a conversation with? Not you being living or dead, but somebody that would be living or dead, who would you, because my last guest said living was the answer. I'm like, come on, now you're just being a jackass, but that's okay. But living or dead, who would you want to have a conversation with?
Daniel Walsh (:You
Daniel Walsh (:You know, I think Nikolai Tesla would be pretty cool. It would be a pretty interesting conversation. There was some super interesting, like, experiments he did that, like, I feel like a lot of people don't even have, like, the full, like, depth on everything that he did. But he would be a very interesting conversation to have.
Brad Herda (:I'd be interested.
Brad Herda (:And that was the that did you ever watch Gilligan's Island?
Daniel Walsh (:I did, yes, I was talking about this the other day.
Brad Herda (:Alright, then I can ask you this question, because many millennials have not watched this. Ginger or Mary Ann?
Daniel Walsh (:Marianne. Marianne.
Brad Herda (:Okay, all right. That's awesome. Well, candy corn and pineapple, I'm not sure.
Daniel Walsh (:Hopefully I passed. Yeah. Not yet. Yeah. Candy corn and pineapple. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, the score is TBD. Yeah. Yeah.
Brad Herda (:Right. It is TBD. Thank you so much for coming on and having a blast with us today and sharing the platform and the skills and the things. There is opportunity, glory out there. We don't have to do it by ourselves. are, it doesn't have to cost a fortune to go find the people you need to make your business run. just thanks for being part of the show today.
Daniel Walsh (:Absolutely, Brad.
Daniel Walsh (:That's right.
Daniel Walsh (:Definitely, definitely. Thank you so much, Brad. Appreciate it.
Brad Herda (:All right, thanks.