Join us in this powerful episode as we explore Brenda Asterino's soul journey, which has led her to become a voice against ethnic persecution and discrimination through her poetry. Drawing on her past lives and epigenetic memories, Brenda sheds light on humanity's struggle with judgment and persecution based on religion and ethnicity. Her poetry acts as a witness to our collective journey and brings awareness to the importance of acceptance and inclusivity. Through Brenda's story, we are reminded of the power of using our voices to create positive change in the world.

Our guest this episode is:Brenda Asterino

Brenda Asterino is a poet who has many years of training in Energy work and Body Work including classes from various academic institutions, churches, mystery school organizations and non-organizations (1979 - 2021). I love being with family and grandchildren. I was a private and public educator in Ohio, USA, and elsewhere for about 20 years until a car accident took me out of my career. Presently volunteer with KLOI-LP 102.9 FM, American Red Cross, and other. Making culture and our world a better place for our children and grandchildren is a main concern. Poetry: Pathways, Walking Through Creation can be found at amazon, B&N, Village Books https://www.sidekickpress.com/project/pathways/ http://brendaasterino.com/ Purchase Brenda's book Pathways: Walking Through Creation Amazon here https://amzn.to/3K5YyXT (affiliate link)

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Welcome to

the Infinite Life Podcast, and this

week we have a very special guest

with us and her name is Brenda.

Brenda Asino.

Brenda, welcome to the show.

Thank

you very much, Katische.

Thank you.

Thank you for coming.

Now Brenda and I had a chat

because she left me a message.

She's one of the brave souls.

There's only been a few who have

so far contacted me and left me a

message on the podcast recorder, and

you will have heard Brenda's voice.

Leaving a message about a past life

experience that she had as a result of

some, um, horrible nightmares that she

had in a couple of episodes aga ago.

So I think it was around, uh, not

quite sure of the exact episode number

from the top of my head right now,

but you can go back and you'll see,

um, and listen to Brenda's voice.

So thank you Brenda, for being

brave and leaving me a, a

message on the podcast recorder.

I know it can be confronting to leave

a message on a microphone to somebody

out there somewhere in the internet,

but I appreciate your bravery.

Um, the whole point of this podcast is

to help others consider the notion that

their soul is eternal and to consider

that we do get dreams and messages.

As well as from participating in

past life regression so you can get

insights and breakthroughs that help

you in your everyday life, um, through.

All parts and all facets of your

life if you are open to messages that

you receive and, and can be given.

So Brenda, you've got quite an

interesting background, and I'll let

you put it in your, in your own voice.

But, um, on your profile it says that

you've had many years of training

in energy work and body work.

Uh, you've been involved in mystery

school organizations, you've been an

educator, and you're also a poet as well.

? Brenda Asterino: Yes.

I'm.

Very grateful for the

many facets of my life.

Yes.

Beautiful.

And tell, tell us a little bit

about, um, what drew you to poetry?

I've always been involved

in poetry, uh, when my father passed away.

And we were going through things

like where his jewelry was and stuff.

There was a poem I had written, I

must have been six or seven years old.

So, um, I've just always been into poetry.

I've always admired and liked rhyming.

I do less rhyming now than I used to.

Um, I try different forms of poetry, but.

It seems like a intuitive way to bring

out your feelings as well as your thoughts

and, uh, to find patterns within them.

Sometimes I even get a rhythm and a beat

with the words, which is kind of cool.

So it's just something

that's always been a part of.

And do you

find for, say, a comparison that

you go into a meditative like

stance, a trance-like stance when

you're actually writing your poetry?

I write better

poetry if I am, I don't like to

call it a trance because people kind

of associate that with woo woo or

being out of control or something.

Sure.

Mm-hmm.

, um, I usually say I'm

accessing my right brain.

Okay.

I'm letting go of the judgment stuff.

Mm-hmm.

of the stuff that makes you be detailed

and um, like accounting type mode.

Mm-hmm.

. . Yes.

So I let.

You let go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, uh, do you find that you

get a sense that you are like,

connecting with your inner spirit,

your higher self, the source?

What, what words would

you use to describe?

I think that describes it

very well because sometimes I don't know

what I've written as to what it means.

It takes me a while to work

through it and sometimes.

What comes out, or I find patterns.

In subsequent poems or poems over many

years that reveal more of me to me and

kind of help me understand my journey.

Mm.

I think that,

uh, there's a lot of modern day

Instagram poets, and what I find

interesting about them is that.

They share very freely the emotions that

they're going through and which is why

they resonate so with so many people.

And when you look back across their

poetry, over time, you can see the

emotional patterns that they have

gone through because their words have

very clearly and sharply, uh, focused.

Those emotions onto a page so

that they resonate with you.

If you are going through that same

sort of situation and you're like,

I can feel that, I understand that.

That's not just you going through that,

that's me going through that as well.

It's like a, a connection of oneness.

Yes, definitely.

There's a universal universality, um,

however I would pronounce that better,

um, of humanity and we're all connected.

Um, that's how it seems to me.

I'm, I'm not a teacher of any of this.

I don't have a curriculum or anything,

but it seems like I've felt and

journeyed through patterns in my life.

Tell me that, that oneness

is a healthy place to

be.

Absolutely.

Yes.

Absolutely.

And, um, this poem that you wrote, wrote,

um, that you found after your father died,

um, was your father a, a poet as well?

Like was there any

connection that way or No.

, no, but

he seemed

to be very proud of me for.

Either because I did it or, um, because

he would've liked to have done it.

My father was tone deaf, so he

did not, he had trouble being on

a functional level with music.

But he appreciated what he

was told was good music.

Okay?

Yep.

Yes.

. So it's, it's kind of like that.

I think he appreciated that I was

producing art and I, I know from

friends of his who were artists in

the, in the, uh, campus world, that

he appreciated what they produced.

He was first generation,

um, Italian American.

Okay.

And I suspect that art

is related to freedom.

Mm-hmm.

, so I suspect that that's a part of it too.

Mm.

Yes.

Producing art is very freeing as well

as viewing art because I, I mean, I

find when you connect with an artist,

um, who's expressed themselves in their

artwork, rather than producing what they

think they should produce, it is like

a direct connection to them because you

feel an emotional, a visceral reaction

to whatever piece of, of art they have

created, irrespective of the media.

So I wanna take this

a a little bit different direction.

Cause truth and justice have

always been important to me.

And I think any expression

of art is about truth.

Mm-hmm.

. And you can't have justice without truth.

And kind of what I was getting.

Two with my, um, comments about my father

and art also involves, um, if you, if

your parents were escaping a country

where freedoms were being lost, most

of the time, art and intellectuals,

freedom of speech, freedom of

expression, are the first things to go.

Mm.

Absolutely.

So.

Mm-hmm.

. Yeah, for sure.

And, and, uh, I guess most of us,

uh, well, sorry, I'll put it for me.

Not I, I don't represent Clem to

represent anybody else, but, so I live

in Australia and we are, uh, pretty

much have had, uh, A lot of freedoms.

You know, there are, there are people in

any country and nation of all different

backgrounds that don't have freedoms.

But, um, for somebody like me, I

have had, um, a lot of freedom.

Uh, probably the most freedom that anybody

in the world would have in if you wanted

to compare my life with other people at

the same time in history all around life.

So it's not until you have that

freedom taken away from you that I

think you could really appreciate.

The beauty of the freedom that

is gained and given by being

allowed to express yourself.

And I

think that also takes

us into spirituality because through

those freedom of expressions, that's how

I connect more to my spirituality and.

over my lifetime, I've come to

believe, hold the belief that

that, um, truth and justice is

supposed to be on a spiritual level.

It's about sacredness.

Mm-hmm.

and mm-hmm.

. And that connects with spirituality

too.

Yeah.

Okay.

And, um, are there any sorts of

experiences that you've had that

have really clarified that for you?

Like what, how, how has that been

that you've come to know that?

In

my, um, Supporting my

cousins who did genealogical research,

and then being sure that we had lineages

that were not definitely found in the,

uh, genealogical research, but in pursuing

it and then finding that it was true.

Some part of me was

telling me to keep looking.

Mm-hmm.

, some part of me was telling me it's true.

I do have that lineage in my background.

And, um, I guess that that was

my truth, that I kept expressing.

It took 70 years to find out.

But, um, some part of that truth

in me kept me reaching for that.

Mm.

And, um, I kind of feel like

that's a connection to both my

spirituality and my lineage.

Mm-hmm.

, you did leave him.

Uh, part of that, part of a hint about

that in the, on the podcast recorder

message, and I was wondering because, um,

my understanding is that, um, you know, we

carry genetic codes and memories through

our DNA from our ancestors, but also

that, you know, we choose which family to.

Um, incarnate into.

And so you do that for

a very specific reason.

So if you very specifically chose your

family and this lineage that needed

to be discovered over a very, very

long time, 70 years of research and

following that trust and that intuition,

uh, what insight did it give to you?

Like, what was the message?

Why did, why did you need to

spend all this time looking?

Because obviously it was

very important for your soul.

So what was that message?

I can

see a couple of messages.

Mm-hmm.

, at first I thought it, it was,

and, and I'm relating it to

other similar events in my life.

At first, I thought it was to

prepare me for the times that we're

in now, where the world is in this

big upheaval and very much divisive.

and we're unsure and

unstable of what's next.

Mm-hmm.

. Another part is it gave me strength.

It let me know that on both sides

of my family, I have people who were

persecuted, who were, and probably a

lot of us do, and we don't know it.

Mm-hmm.

, but I.

And those people were survivors.

Mm-hmm.

. So I have people who survived

long enough and I believe these

are more likely genetic memories.

They survived long enough to

produce many generations down me.

So that's a lot of strength.

That's that's a great deal of survival.

Instinct, the ability to keep on

tracking on the, um, and there's

something, uh, there's something really

that makes me feel good to know that

I have the strength in my background.

Mm-hmm.

, it's like I don't have to doubt that

it's there and that it's in my family.

Mm-hmm.

. That that is, um, that's a piece

of security that's inside of me.

Mm-hmm.

. Yeah.

Which

is, it's important, isn't it?

Because we're so used to reaching

out to others for strength.

And having others

tell us what we need to think or feel.

Mm-hmm.

, I mean, marketing does that for us all the

time, . So it's nice to, um, stand in your

own power, stand in your own thoughts.

Stand in what you think is

right and go forward with

it.

Yes, absolutely.

And it's a, it's a great feeling that

you can access and tap into that.

So you have your own inner wisdom

plus your ancestral wisdom at any one

time if you need that strength and

courages, is that what you're saying?

Yes.

Yes, yes.

And now, um, Brenda,

there's two questions I wanna ask you.

So we.

See which one you wanna

answer first, or both.

Somebody who doesn't know you at all.

Brenda sees you on screen right now.

For those who are listening to this

on the podcast, you can have a look

over at YouTube and watch this video.

You look like a pretty

ordinary, normal person to me.

Tell us about what it is that in your

journey that is need, needed you, or

required you to tap into that strength.

Why did you feel like your

soul needed you to access that

ancestral wisdom to help you?

What, what has happened in your past that

was a challenge that you had to overcome?

I think that's

a really good

question, and I think I can

answer it on multiple levels.

Okay.

Um, well,

I'm a woman . Mm-hmm.

, that's number one.

Women have, it seems to me that

women have the challenge and it's

now, it's now we have to meet that

challenge to stand in our own power.

Mm-hmm.

number two, I grew up

realizing that some people.

Loved my family and some

people hated my family.

And I thought, yeah, and I, and that's

mostly on my father's side, and I thought

it was because I grew up Italian American,

and so I thought it was the Italian

stuff and I didn't care because I don't

know, I had so many cousins, I had so

much love that, you know, I didn't care.

Um, As I got older, I had experiences

that made me realize I am very

multiethnic in my background.

And that led me, uh, that and some, um,

multiple health conditions in the family

led me to do the DNA tests, and I found

out that I'm extremely multiethnic and.

That some people, I guess people who, um,

want to be prejudiced against others, they

know the, the typical signs to look for.

So, um, I have shoveled teeth,

which indicates a certain

kind of ethnic background.

Okay.

And, um,

I hadn't been married very long.

I had a child a couple of years.

This was a couple of

years into the marriage.

Um, I needed dental work like lots of

women need after they've had a child.

So I went to a dentist.

We were living in a different part of

the state away from all my relatives.

I just picked a dentist that

was close and I went in and.

I thought accidentally hit my

gum when he was drilling for

a filling to make a filling.

I went back to him and it

wasn't, I feel very naive.

I went back to him for the

follow up and realize then,

That he had meant to do that.

And here I am in this chair

with this, uh, very Anglo man.

Um, intense.

Intense.

And I can tell that it's like he's

trying to build up the will and

he's breaking out in a sweat and.

drills directly into my gum.

He does not want me in his chair.

He does not want me for a customer.

He wants me out of his office.

Wow.

Because he had labeled

me because of my teeth.

I haven't run that into that.

It's funny because.

When I realized what was going on

and he wanted me out of his, and I

said something and he validated that,

so I knew what was really going on.

It's funny because it bothered me that

he would hate me for the kind of teeth I.

For a characteristic phenotype

of teeth that I have.

Um, at the same time when I reflected

back on it, I could see how hard

he was working up to do this.

Like he really didn't want to do

it, but he forced himself to do

it, to drive me from his office.

That level of hatred.

And I had never experienced

that

cultish

type of thinking before.

Um, and over the years, I would

have similar experiences not to.

Degree of pain , but um, where

people would turn away because they

would see some phenotypically thing.

So on both sides of the family,

um, from the research in the DNA

testing, um, I've had persecution

on both sides of my lineage.

For these kinds of reasons,

and I suspect we all have them.

Most Americans or many

Americans, it may have changed.

Now the DNA testing is so prevalent,

but when I was growing up, many

Americans didn't know more than

two or three generations back.

Um, but I

suspect I have

come, I I've developed my own theory,

These are my own thoughts.

Um, and I don't teach it or anything.

When you grow up in an

ethnically persecuted family

that people are hushing you.

So if they think they can pass

or get to the point where their

ethnicity isn't recognized, so if

you say something, they hush you.

You grow up thinking that people

related to what you were doing must

be bad because you were hushed.

So you learn to hate those

people when actually you've

got that in your background.

Hmm.

It explains the level of racism to me.

That's how.

Explain it to

myself.

But, um, of

course there's

just, there's all kinds of

reasons for hatred in the world.

Um, what it has brought me to at

my age is now I'm more outspoken

about my different lineages.

It's gotta stop.

It's time for it to be over with.

And if I treat it like, like I

treat what I eat for breakfast

or what I hang in my closet, then

it's just another piece of life.

And so what then maybe

other people will be.

Easier about proclaiming their

backgrounds and it will become

the norm to be multiethnic or to

have diversity in your background.

And maybe some of this stuff will

stop cuz we have so many things

coming down the road at us to worry

about for our children's future.

Let's get over this . Let's get over

it.

. Yeah, I'm, I mean, I'm

sorry that happened to you.

Um, I'm sure you're not the only

person, but I'm kind of a bit mind

blown that, uh, that did happen.

But one of the things that, um, I

guess the, one of the things I'm trying

to show through all the different

interviews and the the client sessions

that I portray on the podcast is that

if you understand that, um, not just

at a, uh, mental level and a logical

level, that we have all lived many times

before and therefore we have all been.

Many different nationalities.

We've both been male and female.

We have been, you know,

every possible combination.

When you understand that not at an

intellectual level, but you physically

experience that by going through a

regression or having a deep dream

like you, you have or whatever, then

I think you get this insight and

one of my other podcasts get get

said about the stupidity of any kind

of, Ethnic or racial discrimination

because you have been that before.

Yeah.

And what I was really, when you

were talking about that, what I was

really drawn to was the fact that

in your dream right, you said that,

um, this was the message that left

on the podcast recorder, that during

your divorce you had experienced

horrible nightmares of memories of

being in a German concentration camp.

Mm-hmm.

. And so that is a life of persecution.

Yes.

Yes.

Um, and I think that whatever makes

me connect easily to do the poems,

especially when I get down beats and

upbeats and those kinds of things

with the poem, I think makes it

easier for me to have empathy for.

The people who are being persecuted

in my country right now, and I don't

want to, I'm not a wilting flower

over things like that, and I don't

want to be, I think we need to be

strong and know our backbones are and

stand beside each other and, um, yes.

What, what I do with this life

is important in some ways.

I'm a good watcher.

Some of my poems are, are based on,

um, my watching what humanity is doing

and reflecting that through the poem.

And some of the poems are

about things I've experienced.

But I think we can all be more empathetic

with each other if we slow ourselves down

and just take time to look and listen.

Yeah,

it, it, it's

coming through very strong to me that,

you know, the persecution that you've

experienced in your own lifetime right

now is very, and it's hard to say this

because, you know, you can say, well,

that's very high and lofty thing to say,

but you know, is very specific because

it links in with a DNA persecution

and then also past life persecution.

It's like this lifetime has hard coded

you in all aspects to be a voice for.

That's,

and that's fine with me.

And at my age, um, I mean, I wear

out a little easier, but at my

age, what do I have to worry about?

Nobody's gonna take my job away from me.

Um, right.

Those kinds of things, um,

are less impacting on me.

If somebody wants to slander me, well,

you know.

Yeah.

, it's you.

You reach a point in your life where

certain things aren't so important

because you don't have to be out there

putting yourself out there for other

reasons to make a living or whatever.

Mm-hmm.

. Katische Haberfield: So, yeah.

I.

And, uh, you're giving the

voice to others as well.

So you're expressing your voice

of your ancestors, your voice of

your past self, as well as the

voice of those who are unheard.

So that's really powerful.

So Brenda, I'll give you a moment to

think about it, but is there a poem in the

book there that you'd like to read to us?

That is just one example of perhaps a time

where you've been reflecting and watching.

Hmm.

Oh, this is interesting.

Your cats just come in

the room and so is mine.

, Brenda Asterino: they hurt each other.

That's what it is.

That's right.

Um, I have one here that is called

The Long Gaze, and I'm going to

change the title to the Longer Gaze

and write a memoir of some of my

ancient memories and um, dreams and.

So why don't I read that because it

kinda refers to the trans like state

a little bit to you were talking

about, I sit on the beach and look

out upon the bay and farther at rest

and still lingering, wondering at

the distance marveling at the vast.

The long gaze out beyond the

next island goes on for miles.

Sparking an inspiration fills my lungs.

It takes me to places between

the space of this lifetime and

others felt without thought.

Sensed with scenes and stray

feelings within growing awareness.

Is all time in the same place.

I turn a degree to left or to right.

And other worlds await.

Mm.

That's a perfect one.

Share.

Okay, good.

Beautiful.

Thank you.

I'm so pleased you're gonna

turn that into a book.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I, I think it will be good for me

too, as I sort through them and

start, uh, putting them together.

And because I've lived over 70 years, I

can see relationships from 20 years ago

to, uh, something that's happened now or.

That kind of thing, a memory that

has come back and the relationship

to another memory and, um, it is

more unifying and it's integrating.

There's a great sense of integration

when you get to that point and feel it

as well as get it going intellectually.

So, yes.

Absolutely.

I think, and that's one of the privileges

that I have, uh, with my job is

that for some of my clients, um, you

know, they come back from multiple,

multiple goes at different sessions.

And what what happens is that

when they look at multiple lives,

they can see all the contrast.

So in this one, I did this and here,

because of that, I then had to go see

the other side of it, and then they can

see, you know, All of the themes that

run through multiple lifetimes, and it

gives them great relief to go, right.

That is why.

And then they can then look that

back into their lifetime that they're

visiting they're in right now, and

say, well, because of that, that I've

just experienced and seen the pattern I

needed to have that relationship issue

or needed that friend to do that to me.

I needed to have that good experience

and then I needed to have that

bad experience, and then suddenly

they're like, Oh, I'm not insane.

I'm perfectly okay.

. Brenda Asterino: I think the good and

the bad is an important thing because

we're in a material world and, um,

I've got some poems about that too.

Um, you.

In the material world, things

decay and things change, and

that's the pattern of life.

That's what life is about.

And to get over your fear of that

seems to be very important too.

I think.

And, uh,

specifically right now, you know,

over the last two years we have

had, uh, a global fear of death.

Yes.

Because of, um, our famous virus.

And it's the number one thing that

people have had to confront is death at

a huge scale and grief and, um, without

diminishing their experience, it's brought

the whole topic of death to the forefront.

And so it is really important to,

to understand and contemplate.

You know, how do I cope with that as

I get older and am I stepping into

the void of fear around death or am

I, uh, allowing myself to perhaps

contemplate some other alternatives

and, uh, reducing the fear for myself.

Mm-hmm.

. So, um, with that, as you get

older, how are you personally

dealing with, you know, the.

The transition of your lifetime and

the knowledge that at some point,

just like me, or you know, at any

point, it could be over, it could

be tomorrow, it could be next week,

could be in 10, 20, 30, 40 years.

But have any of your insights, um, your

dreams, your experiences from other

lifetimes, you know, can you even identify

a moment where you thought, oh, it's okay.

I go on.

I'm not just Brenda.

Yes, and I've been

fortunate to have some mystical

like experiences where I felt

loved, where I felt loved, like

to my cells, down into my cells.

And I, I was married once,

after 11 years, I was divorced.

Um, I have not remarried.

There were a few times I was hoping

to, but then I realized that I

really wasn't picking men for

healthy relationships and, um, that I

probably would not get married again.

I probably would not find that person and.

I had a couple of dreams and a

couple of mystical experiences

that made it all right.

I remembered a lifetime where

I had that, where I had where

we cherished each other and.

And loved each other on the

level that we think about.

We want love, and it made it okay if I

did not find that person in this lifetime.

And the knowing that the spiritual is

with me and having those experiences of

feeling love to a depth of cellular level.

I'm okay.

I'm okay with it.

Yeah.

Hmm.

It's, it's quite something

to experience, isn't it?

That, that cellular level love.

It's, it's non indescribable.

It, it is,

it's, you're right.

It's not easily, it's not easy to

describe and it's not something

I can give to anyone else.

It's, but I wish it for everyone.

And I think we each probably

find our own way to get to it.

I'm suspecting that some

people have it right before

they die.

Mm, absolutely.

Yeah.

I was about to, I was thinking

exactly as you were saying that.

I know for certain, because I've walked

people through it, that when you follow

the light, you do experience that, and

then you realize that everything is okay

and you feel the true cellular style love

because I, I, I watch it by the other

side of the screen and I can see people's

faces as they're like, Oh my goodness.

Like really this is it?

And it fundamentally, you

know, to have that feeling.

Um, but for some people it's

not their journey to experience

that until, until afterwards.

Um, you can feel it in your heart.

Like, I feel it in my heart right

now, but, and I can send out that

energy, but you have to be open

to be receiving of it, you know?

Right.

So, so, um, And, you know, different,

different experiences mean that this might

not be the, the walk around the block.

That is the time that you're here

to receive that or to give that out,

and there's nothing wrong with that.

I guess that the thing that I want to,

um, share through the podcast is that

it doesn't matter what journey you

are going through this time around,

uh, there's nothing wrong with you.

And it's all a learning experience,

but if you feel like you want to change

things, then there are lots of different

ways you can reach out so that you

can, with all sorts of ways, receive

inspiration and receive that love.

And for some people like you, it's

through the poetry and being a

witness and observing and going into

DNA and ancestry, and getting the

insights and connecting that way.

Other people, they have

different ways that they do that.

Maybe it's through the love of

animals or being an artist or being

a historian or, or whatever it is.

It doesn't, we all don't have to say

the same, follow the same path, but

we can get similar insights by being

unique and honoring our uniqueness

and the diversity.

Isn't it wonderful?

Mm, that there's such a diversity

of ways that people can get there?

I mean, it's.

The total of creation wants

us to get there and will give

us any pathway we choose.

That's right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And and I think that's really important

because the thing is that you can't

make a wrong decision in life.

They're all just choices.

And we are so conditioned to Chas

eyes or shame or blame ourselves

for making wrong decisions.

And actually there is no wrong decision.

It's just a decision you made.

The universe is recalibrated around

you to accept that decision because

you're a human with free will and.

Go and have that adventure.

You can change your mind anytime.

You know, every time you boil the

kettle, you're making a decision.

And we have to take the fear out of

the decision making and just say,

it doesn't matter whether I choose

tea or coffee, I'm just gonna have

a beverage and let be what we'll be.

But we are so taught to overanalyze

and over, uh, reason, and we get so,

um, Tense in the decision that we don't

allow ourselves the ability to just

be with the fact that it's gonna be.

Yeah.

Well, Brenda, it's been fabulous.

I'm so excited to, um, you'll have to send

me an email and let me know when that book

is out, but hold up this book that you've,

um, got so that, and then let us know

for the people who are also listening.

So it's Pathways walking

through Creation, correct.

And it's on, um,

Amazon

Yes.

I don't know where to hold it.

It's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble.

Uh, you can get it through the

publisher, which is Sidekick Press.

There's a couple of local little stores

too, but the main ones are, yeah.

All right.

And bef, before we, before

we go, do you have one last

poem that you'd like to share?

As, uh, just a lasting, it can be.

It doesn't have to be related to anything.

We talked today, just a lasting

poem to, to close the show with.

Give

myself

a little more light here.

This is conversation between

our lady and our Lord.

Sweet Lord, the light cannot

be seen without the dark.

I can only bring the light to our

children by showing the darkness.

Beautiful lady, then bring on the

darkness without truth, there can be no

justice without light is their truth.

If they cannot see the light,

then bring on the darkness.

Blessed be my Lord.

We are unified for our children.

Together we will do this with love.

They will need all the support we

can give them to survive what they

must go through to see the light.

Yes, sweet and dearest heart

show our children our compassion.

Our compassion will support

them to love each and the.

They will learn the power of their own

kindness and the circle will break their

hearts open and grow and become a spiral.

We'll salute our children

with the dance, shall we?

Oh yes.

My love with the dance of life.

Oh, perfect.

Brilliant.

That was exactly the right poem.

Thank you so much.

Thank you Brenda, for joining me

and take care and, uh, do let us

know when your next book comes out.

Thank you so much.

It was great.