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The team is back together!
Joanne Murphy and India Lee give us all the details from-the-ground in Marbella at the Ironman 70.3 World Championships (including a party we're not allowed to talk about), and then they try to tackle the question: What makes the challenge of Ironman so appealing?
The Ironman 70.3 World Championship in Marbella: The energy, excitement, activations, and vibes were next level with over 6,300 athletes from 114 countries. And the racing? It lived up to the hype with another Lucy Charles-Barclay v. Taylor Knibb showdown. They both showed they're not to be counted out!
Did this actually inspire our own Katie Zaferes to try for 70.3 Worlds qualification in a couple of years...?? And has Lucy reached superstar status?
Then, it's all about how athletes — including Indie — are getting through the last few big T100 races of the year, what changes could be made to the Ironman Pro Series, and why it's better when 70.3 Worlds is before Ironman Worlds.
She tells us about:
- Why the British female triathletes so good
- Her journey from short-course to medium-course to Ironman
- What it is that makes people want to sign up for another one
- And that allure of Kona
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Transcripts
All right, welcome.
Speaker A:Feisties.
Speaker A:Everyone is back this week.
Speaker A:Joanne is here while she's still in Spain.
Speaker A:Katie is back from, well, sort of from the flu.
Speaker A:And we have Indy Lee with us.
Speaker A:Indy, are you back in the uk?
Speaker A:Are you still in Spain too?
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm back in the uk, yeah.
Speaker B:After a week in Spain, back at home.
Speaker A:Okay, so you're not, you know, Joanne sent us a video of, like street performers as we were getting on the podcast.
Speaker A:So she's still, like, living it up, I guess.
Speaker C:I have two days holidays.
Speaker C:Technically, I'm on my holidays until Friday.
Speaker C:So I'm taking an hour's break from my holidays to be here with you this evening.
Speaker B:Oh, good.
Speaker C:My voice is rough.
Speaker D:This is Holiday.
Speaker A:This is Holiday visiting us.
Speaker C:Thank you guys so much.
Speaker C:It's been so long and my voice is rough.
Speaker C:Oh, my God, it's still rough.
Speaker A:Well, then I feel like that answers what was going to be my first question, which is, how was 70.3 worlds?
Speaker A:Was it fun?
Speaker C:Oh, my God, it was.
Speaker C:But it was probably the most hectic schedule I have worked of a world championship event since I started.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, my God, my voice is really bad.
Speaker C:I didn't talk to anybody today.
Speaker B:Bar.
Speaker C:Ask the Bar.
Speaker C:Bar to ask the guy at dinner for a glass of wine about an hour ago.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It was amazing.
Speaker C:It was so good.
Speaker C:Precision, fuel and Hydration came on board as the partners and the title partners.
Speaker C:And when I tell you that they didn't just bring the precision, they brought the passion and the fun, they absolutely did.
Speaker C:It was just the elevation of the race was insane in terms of the activations that they did and then all the stuff that was going on around it.
Speaker C:Like you had the general race, pre race buildup, like parade of nations, the press conference.
Speaker C:We had a women for try breakfast.
Speaker C:But the Precision guys hosted a 70.3 meter dash.
Speaker C:So there was a program invitational on Wednesday.
Speaker C:Then we actually had a Pro Am with the CEO and the Chief Business officer and a few of the CEOs of the partners.
Speaker C:So we had.
Speaker A:I saw win Republic.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So Luke McKenzie, he actually won it.
Speaker C:Johnny Ty from Precision to Part.
Speaker C:Shaun o' Shea from Zeus, Chris from Chris from Quintana Roo.
Speaker C:Two of the guys from Roca, Mark Matthews took part, Rennie Crowe and a handful literally of people doing a 400 meter swim and an AK run.
Speaker C:That was lots of fun.
Speaker C:But the 70.3 meter dash on the Wednesday, the Thursday and the Friday was probably some of the most racing I've ever seen.
Speaker C:There was rugby Tackles.
Speaker C:There was elbows flying.
Speaker C:There was people being pushed out of the way around the precision hydration bottle.
Speaker C:Like the fun that they brought to the event.
Speaker C:They were walking around their pajamas.
Speaker C:They had cocktail hour every day in the Expo.
Speaker C:Just loads of like the build up stuff.
Speaker C:There was a lot of fun.
Speaker C:I think, Indy, you'll probably agree with.
Speaker B:Me on all of that.
Speaker C:You probably got to enjoy a bit more than I did because I literally was going from event to event to event to event that I was hosting, as opposed to being able to participate in some of the activities that were happening.
Speaker A:Well, did you participate, Indy?
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker B:No, unfortunately I didn't participate.
Speaker B:But yeah, like, like Joanne said, I think the whole like event weekend slash week build up felt bigger than like other 70.3 worlds that I've been to.
Speaker B:And I think precision fuel and hydration have a big part to play in that because they just like, they really went for it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, I've heard, I've heard.
Speaker A:I heard they like built out a whole thing, but I couldn't even figure out what they had built.
Speaker A:Like something crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah, there was some huge like bar thing.
Speaker C:Yeah, there was a cocktail bar in the actual Ironman village.
Speaker C:But the infrastructure that was put in place to facilitate six and a half or 6,300 athletes actually sewing and moving around the place.
Speaker C:There was a ruby bridge over transition.
Speaker C:There was a precision fuel and hydration bridge over the run course.
Speaker C:There was a bridge that the athletes had to run up and around to participate in the course like this.
Speaker C:It was just seemed to have been much bigger on a bigger scale.
Speaker A:Well, I think it was more athletes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Like, I think this was the biggest one because like the last biggest one was like 5,000 is athletes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So this was bigger.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So 6,300 athletes from 114 countries, nations and territories.
Speaker A:Did you say that a lot of the weeks you practice that?
Speaker C:Andre Spen Hydration Iron Man 70.3 World Championship as well.
Speaker C:It goes off the tongue now.
Speaker C:It didn't the first few hours, but it does now.
Speaker C:Yeah, they were great.
Speaker D:I should see all the world triathlon athletes try to do TriathlonLive TV.
Speaker D:Watch us at TriathlonLive TV.
Speaker D:We can't even handle that.
Speaker D:So I'm pretty impressed by you.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, it was, it was really good.
Speaker C:And then like the racing was just off the charts.
Speaker C:Like it was so good.
Speaker C:Maybe Indy, you probably saw more of the action than I did because.
Speaker A:Yeah, so I was gonna say, Indy, tell us.
Speaker A:So obviously like you had to pull out kind of last minute, which, you know, I was surprised more people weren't like kind of struggling with recovery post Kona cause you guys had such a short turnaround.
Speaker A:So tell us like what happened there and then, like did you get out on course and cheer people on then?
Speaker B:Yeah, so yeah, basically the turnaround.
Speaker B:I always knew the turnaround after Kona was going to be pretty tight.
Speaker B:And also the course in Marbella like requires such like different streng to what you needed in Kona.
Speaker B:And yeah, I got out there on the Tuesday and did a course recce, kind of trying to do race pace up the climbs and I was like so far off where I needed to be or where I wanted to be to be able to line up and like feel competitive and so yeah, I guess you could say that.
Speaker B:I like my head wasn't really in it after that and I'm not really bothered about lining up and just completing the race just to complete a race.
Speaker B:Like I want to go in and be competitive.
Speaker B:So yeah, it was, it was a tricky decision to make, but I think I'd rather make the decision not to start, rather than start and then have a bad day and spend like four hours in my own head, like berating myself and telling myself that I'm rubbish.
Speaker B:And then that was like a whole snowball thing for a few months of being, yeah, a bit miserable.
Speaker B:So I was proactive and decided I wouldn't start, which then meant that I got to support.
Speaker B:And yeah, like it was, it was crazy racing.
Speaker B:Like I went down to the swim start for the women's race and the crowds there were incredible really.
Speaker B:I heard Joanne's voice all day and yeah, it was really cool to watch.
Speaker B:But then I guess after the swim you couldn't really see that much.
Speaker B:And so I went off for a little run and then I came back and I waited for the run.
Speaker B:And on the run you could kind of like dart around the town quite a lot and see them in loads of different places.
Speaker B:And so yeah, that's what I did and it was really fun and I've sort of lost my voice.
Speaker B:So that's how much fun I had.
Speaker C:Bitter to have lost their voice.
Speaker C:I can tell you the amount of people who contacted me to say, oh my God, how do you still have a voice?
Speaker C:I lost mine after for the women only, you know, and then they went and tried to do the men's race as well.
Speaker B:So I don't know how you do it.
Speaker B:You are like, yeah, I've been sent for half an hour a day And I'm done.
Speaker B:You're like eight hours going strong, a.
Speaker C:Few videos of, like the finish lines.
Speaker C:So on Saturday, I missed a lot of the finish line because of, say, calling the winners down the line, then doing the podium presentation.
Speaker C:But then like within half an hour I was doing pro series presentations and then the press conference.
Speaker C:So by the time I got back to the finish line, it was probably quarter past three and we finished at six.
Speaker C:So I only had like two and a half hours.
Speaker A:Only.
Speaker C:That's not like, because.
Speaker C:And it wasn't.
Speaker C:It was busy, but it wasn't that busy.
Speaker C:But then on Sunday, the rules switched, so Paul was gone.
Speaker C:We had an extra like nearly a thousand athletes.
Speaker C: So from: Speaker B:And.
Speaker C:And if you listened back to it, it's like representing, representing and from.
Speaker C:And like trying to call every person's name.
Speaker C:Oh, my God, it was insane.
Speaker C:But I loved it.
Speaker C:Like, I was buzzing.
Speaker C:It was like, I'm sorry, my life here I'm trying to call everybody's name in and trying to say something different for people and just like get the pronunciations right and whatever.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But the racing itself.
Speaker D:It was so good.
Speaker B:It was so good.
Speaker A:So then in the women's race, let's talk about obviously Taylor and Lucy.
Speaker A:I mean, kudos to them because somehow they were able to rally in the last four weeks and I think probably like taking some very hard time, recovery, rest, like, set them up well for this.
Speaker A:I did not, I will say I did not expect that we were just going to have another battle between the two of them.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker D:Yeah, well, I saw the post about, like being written, like each of them having been written off by.
Speaker D:And I was like, oh, yeah, I.
Speaker B:Might have been one.
Speaker D:Like, I might have been one of them.
Speaker D:Just because it wasn't just not finishing, it was like medical.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like complete depletion and then they've like, come back from that.
Speaker C:Taylor did talk about this in the press conference because she, she.
Speaker C:And I'm going to paraphrase because I didn't watch the whole press conference.
Speaker C:I only saw bits of it in the Expo when I was there because Paul was doing the interviews and.
Speaker C:But she talked about, you know, people would say you shouldn't do it, you shouldn't race.
Speaker C:You went too far into the red in Kona, completely exhausted, heat exhaustion, whatever it was, and you shouldn't race.
Speaker C:And she's like, well, what's the test?
Speaker C:Give me the test.
Speaker B:I'll do.
Speaker A:Give me the test.
Speaker C:You know, Taylor is all about data.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:And she, you know, she's not wishy washy.
Speaker C:She's not, you know, she doesn't want you to tell her you can't do it.
Speaker C:Well, if I can't do it, tell me why I can't do it.
Speaker C:What's the test?
Speaker C:And so she, she was very straight about, you know, wanting to make sure that she wasn't going to damage herself, but also needed the data to back that up.
Speaker C:And one of the things she said in the post race press conference, I hosted that, but I think what she said is, you know, she was glad she raced and I was not questioning herself, you know, did she do damage if she hadn't raced, would she now go into the off season going, maybe I'll never race again, you know, so Lucy and Taylor, from what I can recall in the press conference, and it is a bit of a blur at this stage, so if anybody's watching wants to go back and listen to it, you might be as well off going back to that.
Speaker C:But that, it, it, it set them up that their, their belief in their ability and their belief in their bodies.
Speaker C:The point was proven that they could come back and they could race and now they're not going to be off season thinking, gosh, Dakota, damage me for my season four.
Speaker A:Lucy also came across that finish line, maybe had a little.
Speaker A:Fuck yeah.
Speaker A:Under.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Under her breath there.
Speaker A:Looked very, you know, very happy to have that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then Lucy's.
Speaker C:So Reese's granddad passed away.
Speaker C:Since she came home from Conan, that funeral was happening on Monday.
Speaker C:So a really, really tough time for Lucy to come home have.
Speaker C:And they were very close to Reese's grandfather as well, so.
Speaker C:And Lucy's speech on Monday at awards was heartbreaking.
Speaker C:Like it was absolutely.
Speaker C:I don't know how she held it together because I was crying backstage, you know.
Speaker C:So the two girls, I mean, they absolutely pushed it to the limits again, I think.
Speaker C:And maybe the race dynamics would have been slightly different if Kat Matthews hadn't had that calf strain because she was running like a demon.
Speaker B:Just flying.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Absolutely flying.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I will say though, I.
Speaker A:Cat.
Speaker A:Cat was flying and like maybe would have caught up to them.
Speaker A:Lucy is a fast runner now.
Speaker A:I think a lot of us in our heads still think like, oh, she's a pretty good runner, but like, no, she ran like a 1 17.
Speaker A:She is hands down a very fast runner now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C: ation on that bike course was: Speaker C:Twice the distance.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Was it.
Speaker A:Since you guys were there, how hard was it?
Speaker A:I was just looking at some of the amateur times, and the amateur times come.
Speaker A:Times can tell me a little bit more about how hard it is because, like, obviously the pros, the front pros of the front pros, the amateur winning times were slow.
Speaker A:And so I was like, it must have been a hard day.
Speaker C:There was.
Speaker C:So that got choppy in the swimming, didn't it, after the.
Speaker B:Yeah, the scene.
Speaker B:Yeah, the swim was really choppy and, like, the current was slow.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah, the bike course is hard because even though there's, like, long downhill drags, I think the wind was, like.
Speaker B:It was a headwind on the downhill, and so, like, that was slowing you down.
Speaker B:And then the tailwind on the uphill, like, helps a bit, but obviously you're still going uphill.
Speaker B:But yeah, it was.
Speaker B:It is a slow course.
Speaker C:And then the boys.
Speaker C:The next day, the wind picked up.
Speaker C: The last age group started at: Speaker C: I was there: Speaker C:And I was being blown out of it at that point.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was super windy.
Speaker C:Super, super windy.
Speaker C:And there was rolling waves, like rollers on the beach at the finish line all day long.
Speaker C:So it definitely got tougher.
Speaker C:The boys got a tougher day maybe than the girls, but, yeah, incredible, incredible racing.
Speaker A:You know what kind of sucks, though, over here?
Speaker A:And maybe.
Speaker A:I don't know if.
Speaker A:I don't know if Katie said, but it was basically middle of the night here, if you want to watch it.
Speaker A:And the only coverage in the US Is on outside watch, which you can watch live for free.
Speaker A:But if you want to watch it on a replay, you have to be an outside plus member.
Speaker A:And the replay doesn't go up, like, immediately.
Speaker A:Like, you can't just, like, wake up in the morning and, like, wind.
Speaker A:Yeah, you have to, like, wait.
Speaker A:So that's, like, not awesome for Everybody in the U.S. so.
Speaker B:Well, just.
Speaker D:I start just watching the timing.
Speaker B:We have to watch Kona through the night over here.
Speaker A:Oh, there you go.
Speaker A:All right, here's my last question for you guys.
Speaker A:About 70.3 worlds.
Speaker A:The last couple years, it's been late.
Speaker A:It's been like, after the Iron Man World Championships, you know, like November, December, next year.
Speaker A:I think it's going back to before.
Speaker A:Which do you prefer?
Speaker B:Yeah, the four.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker B:Definitely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, two for two reasons.
Speaker B:I think it's easier.
Speaker B:Obviously, it's easier to prepare for an iron man, but to do it 70.3 than Iron man because the 70.3 can be like good prep.
Speaker B:And then recovering off an Ironman, like, is harder.
Speaker B:But then also I think for the pro series, it's really cool that it would finish like at the Ironman world championships because it's like that's the big one, you know, Especially now it's back in Kona.
Speaker B:Like, there'd be more on that race and then you get to see the whole like end of year thing in Kona.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Because I was gonna say, I think part of the, like, why it was so fun this year is because it is this end of the season party for everybody.
Speaker A:So I don't know, I kind of like.
Speaker A:I kind of like that too.
Speaker A:I'm like split.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Ironman Pro series.
Speaker A:That was the other thing this past weekend.
Speaker A:So obviously.
Speaker C:Sorry, Kelly.
Speaker C:I thought you were gonna talk about the end of season party.
Speaker A:Oh, well, me.
Speaker A:We weren't allowed to talk about it on air, so it's not kosher.
Speaker B:That wasn't a party?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:What party?
Speaker B:No, I definitely didn't see Joanne there.
Speaker C:What happens in Marbea stays in Marbella.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker C:Let's just say there was a lot of ii Captain.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker A:We're just gonna take a long pause right there.
Speaker D:Everyone can fill in the gaps.
Speaker C:To be fair, there was two parties, Kelly.
Speaker C:There was a party on Saturday night after the women's race and then there was the post race party on Sunday night.
Speaker C:But I was hosting awards on Monday morning, so I had to really behave myself in bed like Cinder Cindy Cinderella at 12 o' clock on Sunday nights.
Speaker C:So I could be up at 7 o' clock on Monday morning to go back to work.
Speaker A:That is what's nice about.
Speaker A:Well, what about the racing?
Speaker A:First, you can party Both nights, but two.
Speaker A:About 70.3 worlds you can.
Speaker A:You don't have to like, you can just go out after 70.3 worlds as opposed to like Kona.
Speaker A:You have to, you know, then it takes all day, then you.
Speaker A:The party's the next day.
Speaker A:There's no partying the night of Kona.
Speaker C:Well, no, because the finish line for.
Speaker D:Short course.
Speaker C:Home is that Katie.
Speaker D:I said, there you go.
Speaker D:A vote for short course.
Speaker D:Very efficient.
Speaker C:Anyway, the Ironman pro series.
Speaker A:The pro series.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So like Indy kind of said there.
Speaker A:Obviously this year it finished.
Speaker A:It finished with 70.3 worlds and Kat ended up winning.
Speaker A:Solvay was second.
Speaker A:But then you did have this thing where, like, Lisa Perder was third, Jackie Hearing was fourth, and both of them had opted out of racing 70.3 Worlds coming off Kona.
Speaker A:So then it is, like, a little odd because it's like the final culminating race, but, like, half the people were there.
Speaker C:They only did the podium for the top three.
Speaker C:So it was just Lisa that was missing on the day, which was a pity.
Speaker C:But Cash actually.
Speaker C:Did you see this Indy Cash's brother gave her, like, it's on a fireman's lift.
Speaker C:She basically sat on his shoulders and carried her from wherever they were.
Speaker B:A little brother.
Speaker C:A little brother.
Speaker C:Up to the Pro Series presentation because of her injury.
Speaker A:Oh, that's what that was about.
Speaker A:I thought she was just getting a ride from, like, a random stranger.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And they are related.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Mark did approve.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:One of the cool things, actually, and I don't know if you guys have seen it on the socials, but after the women's press conference on Saturday, Lucy walked back through the athlete recovery area where all the girls were having their hip space food, and they saw her coming in.
Speaker C:Now, I was just ahead of Lucy because I was heading back to the finish line and the next thing, the whole tent exploded.
Speaker C:I don't know if you've seen that on.
Speaker B:Yeah, I saw that video.
Speaker B:It's so cool.
Speaker C:I was so emotional.
Speaker C:I started crying again watching it.
Speaker C:It is fabulous.
Speaker C:It was like.
Speaker C:It was like as if Lucy's been elevated to, like, global superstar celebrity status.
Speaker C:It's the first time I've ever seen a triathlete get the same sort of traction that.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker C:A musical celebrity or a Formula One person or a footballer, you know, somebody who's in the media getting.
Speaker C:And it was just so heartwarming to watch.
Speaker C:It was very, very cool.
Speaker C:If you haven't seen it, I recommend.
Speaker B:You go and look at it on.
Speaker C:The Ironman Instagram page.
Speaker C:It's brilliant.
Speaker B:It is really cool.
Speaker D:Well, also, it's just like, the energy with this race, like you were saying, I think, because the races were good, but also you could feel it from not even being there, which I don't think is normally the case for triathlon.
Speaker D:Like, yeah, this.
Speaker D:I felt like this one, it was exciting and you didn't have to be there to, like, be in person to feel that.
Speaker A:Did it make you want to do a 70.3, Katie?
Speaker D:I've always wanted to do a 70.3.
Speaker D:I just ran out of priorities, I guess.
Speaker D:I'm not sure I'm going to have.
Speaker A:A comeback you could do like a, like Michaela Jones won the 55 to 59 age group.
Speaker A:So yeah, you could like come back when you're 40 something 51.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:I've got four years, five years to find some motivation for that.
Speaker C:Next year you need to just do a race in America and qualify and come over to Europe.
Speaker D:Yeah, okay.
Speaker D:Yeah, I think the PR the priority will be seeing friends and reuniting with friends.
Speaker D:I was actually talking to non Stanford about that.
Speaker D:I was like we need races because I'm never going to see my friends.
Speaker B:In person.
Speaker D:I see them all the time on tv.
Speaker A:Yeah, you should.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is our new goal for Katie.
Speaker A:I, the rumor is 70.3 worlds is going to be back in the US for 27.
Speaker A:So there you go.
Speaker A:That could, you could make that your goal.
Speaker B:Yeah, we were talking about that.
Speaker C:Are you manifesting?
Speaker C:So Indy, just in case you haven't heard Kelly and Katie say these things randomly and then not Joanne.
Speaker C:No, I've never, I never speculate ever, ever.
Speaker C:These girls have a habit of saying something and the next thing we see a press announcement, it's like oh my God, they were right.
Speaker A:I'm just telling you in my non triathlon universe and like I know things in California.
Speaker A:There's been rumors about bids going in California, so who knows?
Speaker B:Well, we were talking about it as well and like we were saying that it's got to be back in the.
Speaker A:US it does have to be back.
Speaker B:It hasn't been there for a while.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah, so it's also like due so it's like.
Speaker A:And it won't be in 28 or 29 because that's nice.
Speaker B:So yeah, so it's got to be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So now the three of you are manifesting.
Speaker A:Okay, we wait just so you know, so then Katie can do it.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:See, there we go.
Speaker D:Put my name on the start list.
Speaker D:I'll be the first one.
Speaker C:You could be like Tanya Neubert and George Taylor Brown who had done Limited Ironman 70.3 races and ended up in the top five.
Speaker C:So two Ironman 70.3 rookies in the top five and two Ironman 70.3 world champions in the top five.
Speaker D:Well, I did want to point out that six out of 10 of the top 10 do have a similar background.
Speaker D:I was like looking, I've been waiting for a moment and you really just.
Speaker C:Handed it to me.
Speaker C:I assume you, you were manifesting, waiting for me to say this Kitty, so you could say it.
Speaker D:Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker A:Oh wait Now I'm looking at the list.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:So Tanya in third, Georgia.
Speaker A:Taylor Brown in four, Solvay in six, Jesse Ruth in seventh, Hannah.
Speaker D:And then if you want to put.
Speaker C:Lucy into it, she has dabble.
Speaker B:She did dabble.
Speaker A:She dabbled.
Speaker D:But chicken and the egg, I mean, yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker A:It wasn't the right order.
Speaker A:All right, before we move away from any point three worlds and end a Pro Series, does anyone have any other comments or just Katie waiting for anything else that she wanted to.
Speaker A:Any other performance?
Speaker D:No, but I do agree with the Iron Man Pro Series, like, having you're.
Speaker D:You know how I'm coming from the short course background where, like, our grand final is like the big celebration of World Champion for the series.
Speaker D:So it does feel weird that, like, the Iron Man Pro Series was celebrating without the full podium.
Speaker C:That could happen in Kona again next year.
Speaker C:It could guarantee that everybody that's on the podium is going to go to Kona.
Speaker A:It probably won't.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because of the amount of points that are on the table.
Speaker A:Like, you kind of have to do it, but.
Speaker D:Well, that's what I was going to ask because, like, for us, our grand final counts for so many points that you literally have to race it.
Speaker D:But for Ironman Pro Series, is that the same?
Speaker A:So you get more points for fulls than for halves, which is why you kind of have to do Kona because that's even more points then.
Speaker A:But 70.3 worlds, if you had enough other points, you could still, like, do okay.
Speaker A:Without having to do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, Kat didn't finish the race, but because she'd already done a 70.3.
Speaker B:She'd already had.
Speaker B:She already had two.
Speaker B:70.3.
Speaker B:So she didn't have to finish.
Speaker B:She still won.
Speaker A:Very confused for a little while how she beat Solvay when Solvay finished and she didn't.
Speaker A:But then I went and looked at the math.
Speaker A:I was like, convinced they got this wrong.
Speaker A:I was like, someone added this up badly.
Speaker C:Like, what solve has to finish within, like 1 minute and 40 seconds of the winner.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:I don't know if that number is correct now, but that's what I have in my head.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:In order to replace her lowest score and knock it out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:In order to leapfrog Cat into first edition.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Is that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:See, this is also.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:My only criticism about the Pro series is like, I think it's been like, really like, kudos to Ironman for just like inventing a thing two years ago and then putting money behind It.
Speaker A:And it's been really good for the pros.
Speaker A:It's like, a little confusing and, like, kind of hard to follow.
Speaker A:And I don't think they've quite nailed the specifics yet.
Speaker A:But that's okay.
Speaker C:Isn'T it?
Speaker C:Every second you're behind the winner, you lose a point.
Speaker A:Yeah, I understand the concept, guys.
Speaker A:I'm not saying, like, I don't understand.
Speaker B:I think that's because the last race isn't Kona.
Speaker B:And because Kona, you get the most points, it's like you go into that race and you know where everyone stands.
Speaker B:And then it would be clearer.
Speaker B:It'll be clearer what everyone has to do to win or like, improve or whatever.
Speaker B:But because it hasn't been the biggest race with the most points available, then it's kind of like, true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You get to 70.3 worlds and it doesn't really matter all that much.
Speaker A:Don't say that.
Speaker A:It matters less.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Matters less.
Speaker C:Every second matters.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Every second matters.
Speaker B:And of course.
Speaker B:But they matter more in Kona.
Speaker C:The other thing looking at.
Speaker D:There's more seconds in Kona.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So many more seconds.
Speaker C:The other thing to look at as well, and I'm just looking at the top 10, is the amount of athletes from the UK who featured in the top 10 was fantastic.
Speaker A:This was going to be one of my questions for Indie, when we, like, start talking about indie, was what the hell is going on with UK British women?
Speaker A:Why are you guys so good?
Speaker A:So I would just like her to solve that for us now.
Speaker B:Tell us right now.
Speaker D:Right now.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I guess we just.
Speaker B:We just really love triathlon.
Speaker D:Can I tell you my theory?
Speaker B:Yeah, please.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:I think you all are super tough.
Speaker D:And I've only been mostly around the Leeds women.
Speaker D:But, like, no matter.
Speaker D:Well, actually, and following like, some of the guys.
Speaker D:But like, no matter what the weather, the British athletes are going out in it.
Speaker D:And I feel like there's just like a.
Speaker D:A grittiness to generalizing here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Your people.
Speaker B:People.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker B:I think we have kind of like a no.
Speaker B:A no compromise kind of attitude where we know that the weather is going to be a bit shitty because we.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:A bit crap because we've grown up in it and you kind of like, are desensitized to it.
Speaker B:So you just get on with stuff and then when you turn up to.
Speaker D:When you have some good triathletes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then we've had, like, really good role models and examples of Good triathletes.
Speaker B:So it's kind of like if, if they can do it, then we can do it and you just have to give it a go.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:Because it's cool, too, because there's like, everybody is on here is kind of coached.
Speaker D:They're in a different environment.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:For like, gb, like you, you expect a lot of people from one coach or one environment to do well.
Speaker D:But yeah, at least it seems like there's a big mix.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's a huge mix.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And like everyone's in different places and training with different people and.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker B:Like, I'm pretty proud to be from, like, such a strong triathlon nation, which is.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker B:Like, you turn up and you know that there's going to be a bunch of Brits there.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Do you.
Speaker D:Do you feel.
Speaker D:Is that hard or do you just like.
Speaker D:Do you feel like all the competitors.
Speaker D:Competitors are the same?
Speaker D:Like, when there's camaraderie on the course amongst you all, or does it matter, like, where you're from or not?
Speaker B:I think it's pretty much.
Speaker B:I think it's the same amongst everyone.
Speaker B:In long course, it was pretty tough when I was doing short course stuff because it meant that, like, it's really hard to get starts for races, so that sucks.
Speaker B:But then once in, you're in 70.3, obviously, like, you can do your own thing.
Speaker B:And then it's nice to have people who, like, who are from the same place as you because they, like, you have like an understanding, you know?
Speaker B:But then, yeah, because you see everybody so often these days and like, you're doing so many races with the same people, then, like, you just become friends with everybody.
Speaker B:It doesn't really matter where we're from.
Speaker B:Well, I did.
Speaker D:I like, I like.
Speaker A:I like the bricks.
Speaker B:I like these guys.
Speaker A:All right, before we start quizzing Indy about being British, one last thing this week.
Speaker A:T100 Dubai is this upcoming weekend.
Speaker A:It's the penultimate race.
Speaker A:The, the last race before Cutter Indy.
Speaker A:You're not racing it right now or you are racing?
Speaker B:I'm not racing, No.
Speaker B:I was supposed to be racing, but I'm not racing for the same reasons I didn't race.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Not there.
Speaker A:Who is still?
Speaker A:I'm looking at the start list and I feel like.
Speaker A:I feel like Paul is probably not racing either anymore.
Speaker B:No, Paul is not racing.
Speaker B:Let me look at the start.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:I was like, who is.
Speaker A:Who is racing?
Speaker A:It's got to be pretty small.
Speaker A:Just Coming this close after Marbella at this point, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't think it's a full start, this.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:There was, like, some wild cards that were going to roll on still.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I thought there'd be more of a crossover from World into Dubai, actually, because quite a lot from Wollongong.
Speaker D:It gets so hard, though, like, at this time of the year, like.
Speaker D:Like we were talking about last time.
Speaker D:Things that seem like a good idea in the beginning of the year don't seem so fun anymore.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker B:Like, you're so tired.
Speaker A:Oh, no, you just.
Speaker B:You just want to enjoy Christmas and get ready for Christmas and, like, just, like, bundle up in, like, all your comfy clothes and instead you're putting on layers and layers to go out and train because you got two more races of the year.
Speaker A:Um, anyway, you sound ready, like, timing.
Speaker D:Off season with the holidays.
Speaker D:Because I'd be like, do you take four weeks off?
Speaker D:And I would be like, okay, if my last race.
Speaker C:Oh, sorry, Katie.
Speaker D:No, I was just saying I used to time.
Speaker D:Try to time my last race so that I could enjoy the holidays and not have to train.
Speaker B:Well, that's that.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker B:I have nailed that this year.
Speaker B:It's just the time between now and the last race feels like six months.
Speaker B:It's like four weeks.
Speaker B:But after that race, I will have Christmas on.
Speaker B:So that is lovely, because you do still have Cutter.
Speaker A:You still have Cutter left, right?
Speaker A:I mean, all of you do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're gonna.
Speaker B:Technically, everyone's got to race that, right?
Speaker A:So you're all gonna have to rally for four more weeks here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is why I'm not doing this weekend, because if I'd done this weekend, then there'd be no rallying.
Speaker C:And the weather.
Speaker C:The weather is nice in Qatar as well.
Speaker C:So, I mean, you know, it could happen.
Speaker B:By not by nice, you mean just dry, hot, hot.
Speaker C:It's not in hot and dry because it's there.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker D:They're hot.
Speaker D:Like, it's hot hot.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker B:It just never gets cold.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Maybe we won't see so many Brits at the top of this.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe not.
Speaker B:I'm just kidding you.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I am actually escaping to Spain next week.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:I've got Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Speaker B:Four days to get through in the uk, so I'm not going to complain.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker C:Where are you off to, Indy?
Speaker B:Lanzarote.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:The storm is coming in tonight in Lanzarote.
Speaker C:It should be gone by the Time we arrive on Monday.
Speaker B:Better be.
Speaker A:All right, I am looking at this.
Speaker A:It looks like Lucy's pulled off the list now, too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So basically, we have Kate off.
Speaker A:We have Julie.
Speaker A:Darren.
Speaker A:Jess is still on the list.
Speaker A:Learmoth, we have.
Speaker B:She's there.
Speaker B:She's in Dubai.
Speaker B:She's there.
Speaker A:Taylor Spivey, Lisa Perder.
Speaker A:Hannah Devet is still on the list.
Speaker A:So is Hannah Barry.
Speaker B:She's also there.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Hannah Berry.
Speaker A:No, she's not doing Dubai.
Speaker A:Holly Lawrence is still on the list.
Speaker A:Sarah Presal is still on the list.
Speaker A:Georgia Taylor Brown's still on the list.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:And so is Lizzie Rayner.
Speaker C:I think Lizzie is going as well, isn't she?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:I really like the.
Speaker D:Sorry.
Speaker B:No, you die.
Speaker D:Well, I was.
Speaker D:This is really not important.
Speaker D:The last Instagram post when it was for 70.3 worlds and the.
Speaker D:I don't even remember who it was from, but they, like, tracked, like, this person's quiet on social.
Speaker B:It's so helpful.
Speaker B:It's so good.
Speaker B:Try.
Speaker A:Yes, but they do, like, they, like, people were texting him, oh, I saw Taylor on my flight.
Speaker A:She's coming.
Speaker A:Like, people, like, they get, like, all these tips and it's really funny.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But they are doing that for Dubai, too, if you want to, like, if you want to follow.
Speaker A:They're also doing that for, like, Dubai and Qatar, so you can keep track what happens.
Speaker C:So say we're losing.
Speaker C:So we're losing.
Speaker C:Lucy, Paula, is Taylor going?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker C:So say out of the hand that the.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker C:The list of women that are there say they lose six or seven people.
Speaker C:Do they add more in?
Speaker A:Yeah, they still have.
Speaker A:They have the whole system that no one understands where, like, people are on the waitlist and they roll on.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker A:There's a.
Speaker A:You can go on their website and see who's waiting.
Speaker A:But obviously there's a point at which it's like, are you gonna fly to Dubai tomorrow?
Speaker A:Like, yeah, probably not.
Speaker A:So that's where it's like, they'll probably end up with a smaller field because you have a limit onto, like, who can fly to Dubai.
Speaker D:Does T100 get the same penalties as World Triathlon for, like, withdrawal?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker D:Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker D:That makes sense why this happens.
Speaker A:What kind of late penalty do you get for World Triathlon for late withdrawal?
Speaker D:Like, like, the country would get fined, like, spots in further races.
Speaker D:But also there's some monetary fine, I.
Speaker A:Think, as well, like, for you personally as an athlete or for the federation.
Speaker D:I think it starts with the federation.
Speaker D:But the federation can then.
Speaker D:Then find the athlete interesting.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker D:But it prevents like most people from pulling off super late, which maybe that's.
Speaker A:What they need to do because obviously this is like a problem for them, like just as a, as an organization.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But there should be, there should be a cut off to when you can pull off.
Speaker B:But then I guess like you don't sometimes if you're like ill or whatever.
Speaker B:Like you don't know until.
Speaker D:No, but those are like exceptions even for world triathlon.
Speaker D:Like you can have non interesting like if you're sick or injured last minute or I think there might be even.
Speaker A:Some travel like if your flight gets.
Speaker A:What was that with like Ellie's flight got canceled or something on his way to New.
Speaker B:Where there was.
Speaker A:I know, I remember this happening.
Speaker A:But yeah, that could be a problem.
Speaker A:All right, well, we'll see who starts that is on Saturday for the women, which is Friday evening here.
Speaker A:And the other one this weekend that I just want to give a shout out to is Iron Man Arizona, which is last edition.
Speaker A:It doesn't, I mean it's mostly a US Based list, but Meredith Kessler is doing her final, final pro race.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Going out at Arizona.
Speaker A:So that's kind of, that's kind of fun for her.
Speaker A:She's done like a hundred of them or something.
Speaker A:I would have to double check.
Speaker A:It's a lot.
Speaker B:It's many crazy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like stalls.
Speaker A:Well, she writes these letters.
Speaker A:Have you ever.
Speaker A:She writes letters to her son at.
Speaker A:For every race she does and she like posts them so you can see them on her like Instagram and stuff.
Speaker A:Or on her web.
Speaker A:It used to be on back when people had blogs and so she posts all of them and it's very cool.
Speaker B:Oh, cool.
Speaker A:So anyway, just a shout out to Meredith.
Speaker A:All right, anything else this week, guys?
Speaker A:Any other news?
Speaker C:Well, I want to give a shout out to Katrina Jennings, the Irish athlete who set a new world record over the hundred mile race.
Speaker C:And did you know she was a triathlete when she was a kid?
Speaker C:So that's my connection for the podcast.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C: she raced at the Olympics in: Speaker C:But she set a new 100 mile world record at the Tunnel Hill.
Speaker C:That's what it's called.
Speaker A:There was like three.
Speaker A:There was like multi.
Speaker A:There was like a 50 mile world record.
Speaker A:Sent a 100k American record and then 100 mile world record, all set at this race, which is kind of crazy.
Speaker A:I also.
Speaker A: hours,: Speaker A:And then she was back at work.
Speaker A:She worked for like some kind of bank.
Speaker A:Two days later.
Speaker C:She flew back from Chicago that night from the race and was back in at work the next morning.
Speaker B:My goodness, my goodness.
Speaker C:And yeah, the Irish are tough, tired legs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:She said she was a bit stiff.
Speaker C:I presume she flew first.
Speaker B:My God.
Speaker C: All right,: Speaker C:I'm gonna have to check that now.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was like, looking at these earlier this week.
Speaker A:They're on our feisty media Instagram.
Speaker A:Anybody can go look at all the records because there was a ton of records set at this race.
Speaker A:It's kind of like the ultra record.
Speaker C:Setting 704 to break the record by five minutes.
Speaker B:Sweet.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker D:NCAA National Championships was also.
Speaker D:Also happened.
Speaker D:And you u of a 1/2 year in a row, which, like, kudos to.
Speaker A:Them because ASU won for seven years or whatever.
Speaker A:And then finally U of A took them down twice.
Speaker A:I will say it was very hard to find results though, because I saw that the U of A car won the individual and then I was waiting.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, well, who won the team?
Speaker A:And I couldn't find it anywhere.
Speaker A:I was like, what is going on?
Speaker D:It was insanely hard to find it.
Speaker D:And I think, like, we knew the race was happening and like going to like, USA Triathlon's website, going to any of the college's websites, and it would take you to these past results anyways.
Speaker D:Something that needs to be fixed.
Speaker D:No national championship should be that hard to find.
Speaker D:Um, and Kelly Wetland won from the US as well because.
Speaker D:Yeah, shout out to.
Speaker A:Did you just say from the U.S. oh, I was like, is it the.
Speaker D:U.S. i mean, I think, I think I. I have my, like, more USA Triathlon brain on than my collegiate, like, NCAA brain.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:There are a lot of foreign athletes racing NCAA these days because of.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah, it.
Speaker D:I mean, it honestly helps bring in more internationals for like, competition wise, but interesting.
Speaker D:Still have a little bit of American pride in the national champ.
Speaker A:That's a good call though.
Speaker A:That was a good note because I was looking for that over the weekend and then I promptly forgot about it when I couldn't find any results.
Speaker D:So, yes, we need to work on that.
Speaker C:We need to work on that area for improvement.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, quick AD break and then we're gonna come back and talk with Indy some more.
Speaker A:All right, Indy, we're coming back to talk with you.
Speaker A:You had A big year issue.
Speaker A:I feel like, especially in France, you were just like seeing all these races in France.
Speaker B:Yeah, I love it.
Speaker B:Love a bit of France.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was gonna ask you what was your favorite result of the year?
Speaker B:Definitely the Ironman in the sub because firstly, I never thought that I would win an Ironman and then secondly, it was really cool because I had like family and friends there and it was a really nice place to be for a week and like the whole vibes were great.
Speaker B:It's like the biggest.
Speaker B:The biggest crowds I've ever had at a race outside of like a world or whatever that it was like, yeah, really just a really cool day.
Speaker A:Where is Les Albes?
Speaker B:On the west coast of France.
Speaker B:Sweet.
Speaker A:Everybody's like looking like the map the.
Speaker B:Left hand side of France.
Speaker A:You kind of mentioned this earlier while we're in passing, but you used to be short course and now you kind of like moved more and more, like longer and longer and longer.
Speaker A:And I feel like a couple of years ago when I talked to you you were like, I'm not going to do an Ironman.
Speaker A:And now we're like all in on Ironman.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:How did this progression happen?
Speaker A:How did this happen?
Speaker B:I just kept going and eventually I did an Ironman.
Speaker B:Well, how did it happen?
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:I got to an Ironman.
Speaker A:Well, like that you just decided to keep like to get like what was the appeal first for moving a short course to medium course.
Speaker A:And then what drew you into the Ironman lore?
Speaker B:So moving from short course to medium course as we're calling it.
Speaker C:Yeah, medium course sounds like dinner.
Speaker B:Middle distance.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Basically I wasn't good at.
Speaker B:Well I wasn't good enough for short course and I was struggling to get starts for like races and so I sort of just took.
Speaker B:Decided to take things into my own hands and do middle distance where I could like pick and choose what races I wanted to do and had a little bit more control over like my season and things, things like that.
Speaker B:And then I just really enjoyed the training for it and it suited my strengths a bit better.
Speaker B:And yeah, just had had some good races, had some good results.
Speaker B:So I stuck with that for a few years and then I did an Ironman just as a bit of fun at the end of one season as a like a bucket list thing.
Speaker B:Like tick it off.
Speaker B:I've done an Iron Man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because like people go, oh, you do triathlon?
Speaker B:Have you done Iron Man?
Speaker B:And I'll be like, no, I haven't.
Speaker B:But I've like, I've done other Stuff that's cool.
Speaker B:And they're like, oh, yeah, don't care.
Speaker B:You haven't done nine, man.
Speaker B:And so I did an Ironman and I really, really enjoyed it.
Speaker B:I was really rubbish because I hadn't, like, prepared properly for it.
Speaker B:So I didn't do too well.
Speaker B:But then the next year I prepared for one properly, and that was Ironman Florida.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah, I thought, I think I prefer this to the shorter stuff, actually.
Speaker B:No, I don't.
Speaker B:I didn't think that straight away.
Speaker B:I thought it was horrendous.
Speaker D:I was just going to ask, like, during the first couple Iron Men that you did.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like, what?
Speaker D:Like, to me having never done, like, the longest I've ever done is Collins cup, so.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:But I just think that's so much time in your head, like, not just the.
Speaker D:Not just the physical part.
Speaker D:And I think, like, a good day.
Speaker D:Okay, like, yeah, that might be all right, but a bad day.
Speaker C:Yeah, terrible.
Speaker D:And you said your first one was a bad day.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was a bad day that I was kind of, like, resigned to the fact that it was probably going to be a bad day before I started.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Because, like, I knew that I hadn't done, like, all the training that I needed to do to.
Speaker B:To have a good day.
Speaker B:And so I was.
Speaker B:I did go into it with the mentality that it was, like.
Speaker B:It was like a challenge, you know, like, I'm just gonna try and get to the finish rather than try and race it.
Speaker B:And so I had, like.
Speaker B:I had snacks.
Speaker B:I had, like, I was ready for it.
Speaker B:And it was all.
Speaker B:It also turned out to be, like, torrential rain all day.
Speaker B:It was awful.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, I was soaking, but also I was like, I'm doing Iron Man.
Speaker B:This is wicked.
Speaker B:Like, this.
Speaker B:The stories I'm gonna have to, like, tell, you know?
Speaker B:And so, yeah, I got to the end of.
Speaker B:Was I was in Israel, actually.
Speaker B:So, like, the town that it was in was also, like, a little bit, like, it wasn't the funnest place to spend a week.
Speaker B:And I got to the end, Ruth Astor was doing it, and she's.
Speaker B:She's one of my really good friends, and she actually won it.
Speaker B:And I remember after the race, we were.
Speaker B:We were sat in, like, the recovery bit, and there was, like, Bruce and, like, a bunch of other people, and we were all, like, sat around talking about how this day was epic and I'd, like, plonked myself on the floor.
Speaker B:And then they were like, okay, we're all gonna go get changed.
Speaker B:And then we'll meet up for dinner and stuff.
Speaker B:And I was like, yeah, see ya.
Speaker B:See ya.
Speaker B:And then they all left.
Speaker B:So I was just sat on my own.
Speaker B:I was just like, oh, finished.
Speaker B:And then I tried to stand up, and I could not stand up.
Speaker B:Like, 15 minutes.
Speaker B:Like, literally, like, I was trying to, like, climb on chairs and stuff.
Speaker B:Like, I couldn't stand out.
Speaker B:My legs were just, like, completely solid.
Speaker B:And in the end, there were like these two random guys that literally had to, like, hoist me up.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Yeah, just waddled back to my hotel soaking wet.
Speaker D:And that's how you caught the bug.
Speaker B:And it was at that moment that I thought, I'll do another one.
Speaker C:I think I called you across the line at Ironman.
Speaker C:70.3 Weymouth.
Speaker C:You fell on the line.
Speaker C:And there's a photograph of me, actually.
Speaker B:Yeah, there is.
Speaker C:You off the ground.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love that picture.
Speaker A:It's a cool photo.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So you have.
Speaker A:So this is a thing.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, it's a thing.
Speaker A:Okay, I leave.
Speaker D:Why does your brain have to switch from, like, half to full distance?
Speaker D:Because, like, I feel like I can think, like, short to half.
Speaker A:I also feel like Katie asks every guest this question.
Speaker A:She's like, probably, I. I like, and.
Speaker D:I need to be reminded.
Speaker D:But I think it's different for everybody because, like, what do you have to like?
Speaker D:I mean, in triathlon, everyone's always like, oh, what's your favorite Swim, bike or run?
Speaker D:But I think as you get longer, maybe that.
Speaker D:I don't know, I just feel like everything's so much more meaningful from, like, your nutrition to, like, your mental, like, focus.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker D:It's a lot more all encompassing.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker B:It is a really good question.
Speaker B:I mean, it's a very relevant question, I think, because, like, yeah, like, short to middle.
Speaker B:Yeah, Katie, you'd be so good at that.
Speaker B:No, short to middle is like the same thing.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker B:But then middle to Ironman.
Speaker B:For an Ironman, you're literally just like, telling yourself not to overdo it all day.
Speaker B:And then you get to like, the last 10K and you're like, oh, crap, I think I overdid it.
Speaker D:See, I really, like, I'm glad we asked.
Speaker D:Yeah, me.
Speaker B:All day, you're like, checking a watch, checking what's on the bike.
Speaker B:And you're like, no, no, you're like, you're fine.
Speaker B:Like, don't go, don't go over your target.
Speaker B:Don't go over your target.
Speaker B:And then you think, ah, I'll be.
Speaker B:I'm going to be fine.
Speaker B:I'm going to like, cruise this in.
Speaker B:I'm just going to stick, stick to, stick to what I've.
Speaker B:What I've been told.
Speaker B:And then you get.
Speaker B:Whatever happens, you get to the last 10k and you're just like, okay, here we go.
Speaker B:And it hurts.
Speaker B:It hurts if you've gone over your targets.
Speaker B:It hurts if you've stayed under your targets.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker D:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:Is this your new, like, watching passion?
Speaker A:I was going to say.
Speaker A:Is this, like, is this our.
Speaker A:Is this what we're.
Speaker A:Is this our new favorite thing now?
Speaker A:Iron Man?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Iron Man?
Speaker B:Yeah, I think my, I'm like, I really, really want to go to Kona and like, nail it because I got, I got pretty close this year and then.
Speaker B:And I hadn't planned to do Kona until like the end of June.
Speaker B:And so I think, like, I think if I have a proper, like, whole year plan leading into it and don't race a million times before it, then, like, I could, I could do like a little bit better.
Speaker B:And a little bit better will be like, yeah, a good result.
Speaker B:That's my favorite thing.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Does it feel so good going from, like, Kona to then Qatar, like, in the fact that you're like, this is half of what I like.
Speaker B:So short, but also it feels so fast.
Speaker B:That's the only thing.
Speaker B:But I've got time.
Speaker B:It's the only thing.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've got a bit of time.
Speaker C:How far away?
Speaker C:Not in terms of miles are hours.
Speaker C:But how, how many weeks to Qatar?
Speaker B:I think it's a, it's an eight hour flight, but it's also.
Speaker A:It's four weeks away, right?
Speaker B:Yes, four weeks.
Speaker B:Four weeks on Friday.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker D:Oh, plenty of time.
Speaker B:Tons of time.
Speaker C:How long are you spending at Lanzarote then?
Speaker C:Will you spend the next three weeks out there or two weeks will you come back to.
Speaker B:No, I do two.
Speaker B:Two weeks out there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then come home to the British weather and then go back out again.
Speaker B:And then come home and then go out to Bahrain and then Qatar.
Speaker B:So, yeah, limited time in the cold.
Speaker B:I've got, I've got sensitive lungs.
Speaker A:All right, so you're.
Speaker A:So you're.
Speaker A:You really want to do well at Kona.
Speaker A:And we were talking in Kona because I was like, kind of making a little bit funny that the lore of Kona lured you in and you're like the myth of Kona.
Speaker A:So what is it about Kona that really, like, sold you?
Speaker B:I think the challenge of it is, like, the biggest thing.
Speaker B:There's so many things to think about, like, like nutrition, pacing, being, like, heat prepped and stuff.
Speaker B:There's like, so many parts of it to get right and I. I think that's kind of fun to try and, like, get the jigsaw together and then actually turn up fit and healthy.
Speaker B:And also, like, it's just, it.
Speaker B:It has a different feeling to every other race.
Speaker B:The whole, like, build up in the town and the fact that people love it so much and there's so much hype around it, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just really enjoy it.
Speaker A:Because you went as like a spec, like a spectator first, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, I went with Ruth as a. Yeah, just a friend and supporter.
Speaker B:And then I thought I'd never do it.
Speaker B:And then I went and I thought, I really want to do this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then I did it and halfway through I thought, why do people do this?
Speaker B:More than once.
Speaker C:More than once.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And like, once I can understand, but halfway through I thought, nah, this is ridiculous.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then now I've gone home and I'm like, no, I think I can do better.
Speaker B:Let's go back.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's very relatable.
Speaker A:I think all of our listeners are like, yep, yes.
Speaker A:Been there.
Speaker D:It's like the process of Kona.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, you know, there's like the, like, the grieving process.
Speaker B:It's like the same, like, has a Kona has the same stages.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Obviously you've been doing triathlon for a pretty long time.
Speaker A:I was about to put a number on it and then I was like, I don't want to, like, get that wrong, but many years.
Speaker A:How, like, how do you keep staying, like, motivated, interested?
Speaker A:Is it just, like, coming up with these, like, new things that are, like, new goals, new challenges?
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker B:Also, I just really love riding my bike and running and it's a cool way to spend my days and I'm going to try and do that for as long as I can.
Speaker B:And then I'll also swim because then that means that I can do okay.
Speaker B:And races.
Speaker D:I was going to say there was one missing there.
Speaker D:Yeah, Very obvious.
Speaker D:Just kidding.
Speaker D:Do you like training as much as you like racing or more or.
Speaker B:Yeah, I do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I really love training.
Speaker B:I love.
Speaker B:I love the process of, like, like building fitness and like, knowing that you're getting fitter and then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then the excitement that you have from that, going into races and knowing that you've, like, prepared really well.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just enjoy the whole process.
Speaker B:Oh, well, that's good.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So for a few years I didn't, and then now I do.
Speaker C:So one of the things that we didn't actually ask Indy, which we normally ask the guests at the top of the show.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Is what's been the most exciting race for you all season or the race that you thought was the best all season?
Speaker C:So at the start of the podcast, it was like Texas, then it was Hamburg, then it was Kona.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:What's your pick for your pick of.
Speaker C:The best race of the year?
Speaker B:I don't know that.
Speaker B:I mean, Con Kona was a great race.
Speaker B:Like, from, like, what.
Speaker B:From a fan's point of view, like, disregarding the fact that I was in it.
Speaker B:That was a.
Speaker B:That must been a.
Speaker B:Have been like, a really great race to watch, like, as it was happening and unfolding, because so much happened.
Speaker B:Yes, it was hectic.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I think from a, like a entertainment point of view, Conan's got to be the best wrestler.
Speaker A:You will appreciate because you were out on course still that Joanne was at the finish line as, like, everything's going down being like, what's happening?
Speaker A:And we're all watching the screen as.
Speaker C:I was shouting, go, Tater.
Speaker C:Come on, Taylor.
Speaker C:Yeah, he was 800 meters or like a kilometer up the road away from us because, yeah, at the top of Palani, but she's a long way to come down.
Speaker C:But, yeah, craziness.
Speaker C:Craziness.
Speaker D:Well, actually, now thinking about it, so, like, before we were talking about how, like, we felt like we were just waiting for, like, the world, like, for the season to start, but these three, like, the championships of both World Triathlon 70.3 and.
Speaker D:And Ironman.
Speaker D:Yeah, they were all pretty insane.
Speaker B:And un.
Speaker A:Like, okay, they were all insane.
Speaker A:And I think they picked probably Kona, but I was gonna say, out of all this, out of them, which do you think was the craziest?
Speaker A:Katie's thinking.
Speaker D:Well, because it.
Speaker D:The same thing happened in Kona as in world.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was mad as well.
Speaker A:It was mad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It actually might technically been like, a little bit crazier, but it's like a little like, it's all condensed.
Speaker A:It's like shorter.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:It affects.
Speaker B:Dramatic.
Speaker B:It happens so much quicker, but it.
Speaker D:Also affected because of the, like, fine.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, if you think about it, over 140.6 miles of racing and eight and a half hours plus change of racing, first and second came down to 35 seconds.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Women's race.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And the men's race In Marbella was three seconds.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That was crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker D:Well, like, when you were saying the last little bit of, like, the run, when you're like, oh, no, did I overdo it?
Speaker D:Watching Solvay finish, I was like, this.
Speaker C:200 meters is insanely long.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that's funny enough.
Speaker C:One of the things that Lucy and Taylor both said after Marbella was we promised Dan we'd cross the finish line, we would get across.
Speaker C:I think Taylor said something like, she came down the finish line, but she didn't take any chances.
Speaker C:You know, she wasn't taking any chances about not actually crossing the finish line again.
Speaker C:Maybe I was dreaming this, but I think it's all up there.
Speaker C:But I do.
Speaker C:In my.
Speaker C:Some part of my brain.
Speaker D:It's in there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, you know what for.
Speaker C:For people in Ireland and the uk, they went to bed and Taylor was winning Kona.
Speaker C:And then, yeah, a few hours later, and they're like, salv one.
Speaker A:What craziness.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's true.
Speaker C:It is true.
Speaker A:It is true.
Speaker C:So Kona for you, Indy, that's your.
Speaker C:Your pick of the results of the year?
Speaker B:Yeah, I think so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, like you said, it came down to 35 seconds, and, yeah, it was just dramatic.
Speaker B:And it shows how, like, it shows how tough it is to get right.
Speaker B:Yeah, sure.
Speaker C:And then even if you look at, like, where did Salve finish?
Speaker C:She was sixth overall in Marbella, wasn't she?
Speaker C:And then was third.
Speaker C:So, like, the two world champions for this year did exceptionally well at 70.3 worlds.
Speaker C:I know Casper had a longer gap in terms of racing for Salve to turn around and finish in position.
Speaker C:Like, that's crazy as well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's really impressive.
Speaker B:Really impressive.
Speaker C:424.
Speaker C:So she was seven minutes off?
Speaker C:No, she was more or 14.
Speaker C:She was 10 minutes behind.
Speaker A:Yeah, there was, like, a pretty the.
Speaker A:In the women's results at Marbella.
Speaker A:It was like the top three or four, and then there was kind of a bigger gap.
Speaker A:And then you got everybody very clustered from like, 8th to 16th or something like that.
Speaker A:It was very clustered, costumed.
Speaker A:All right, Indie to wrap up besides Kona, then next year, since obviously we've established you have that, like, circled.
Speaker A:What are also your plans.
Speaker B:Not to race as often and to.
Speaker B:Well, I'll need to do an Ironman early season to qualify for Kona, and then.
Speaker B:Yeah, to be honest, I haven't, like, planned it all that much yet, but.
Speaker C:Will you do the pro?
Speaker B:I'll probably.
Speaker C:Do you think?
Speaker C:Will you do the pro?
Speaker C:Series next year.
Speaker B:I don't know if the trying to do the pro series would be a bit much like for me because I know it takes so long to recover off an Ironman.
Speaker B:So if I want to really concentrate on Kona that it might not be the best thing to do the whole series, but I will do more pro series races than I've done this year.
Speaker A:Because you need what, three Ironmans and two 70 point threes or two.
Speaker A:Two Ironman.
Speaker B:Yeah, two Iron Man.
Speaker B:No, three Ironmans.
Speaker B:270.3.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I'll do the two Ironmans and then.
Speaker B:And then see.
Speaker A:And then see.
Speaker A:See where you land.
Speaker A:If you're within striking distance of the 200k, then it starts to be like, wow.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I'd rather do.
Speaker B:I'd rather do have a really good day in Kona than like focus on the series because, yeah, like, that's what motivates me more.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker C:Is it hard to get that balance right though, Indy between the opportunity that the pro series might give you to race more and earn more money because there's points at the end and money.
Speaker C:More money at the end, a bonus part at the end versus having a great day at one single race?
Speaker B:Yeah, it is.
Speaker B:I guess you've just got to weigh up what your priorities are and what you want to get out of the year.
Speaker B:But obviously the bonuses for finishing well in the pro series, the prize money and stuff is obviously really great.
Speaker B:But then it's also quite good in Kona.
Speaker B:So you could do both.
Speaker B:But for me, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah, I like.
Speaker B:I know I've.
Speaker B:I figured out.
Speaker B:I figured out this year that it takes me so long to recover off an Ironman.
Speaker B:So if I was going to try and do three in one year, then I might get to Kona and just be a little bit cooked.
Speaker B:And next year I just want to prioritize it a bit more than I did this year.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm not overdoing it.
Speaker B:Don't get greedy.
Speaker C:Basically, don't get your goals set already and it's only November.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:What kind of dusty.
Speaker A:All right, what?
Speaker A:Last question.
Speaker A:After you have four weeks left, you're like, we're already planning our holidays on the off season.
Speaker A:What are you going to do this off season?
Speaker A:What is your.
Speaker B:I am just gonna not travel and just hang out with my dog at home.
Speaker B:Yeah, perfect.
Speaker D:Staycation.
Speaker B:A staycation.
Speaker B:Drink some bloody Mary because it is the season.
Speaker A:Is that when people drink bloody Marys?
Speaker D:I've never heard bloody marries excitement.
Speaker C:Whiskey.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, just.
Speaker B:Just chill out, basically.
Speaker B:I really like being at home, so I'm just.
Speaker B:I'm looking forward to just being at home with my dog.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:Perfect.
Speaker A:You guys have any other questions for Indy?
Speaker A:I feel like I don't want to cut you off if you're raising your hand, you know, I mean, I got them all out.
Speaker B:We're good.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
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