In this episode, Kevin Kane, CEO of American Binary, a pioneer in the field of enterprise post-quantum network security joins us to talk about the looming threat of Q-Day.

Together, we tackle urgent questions surrounding the looming quantum threat, the vulnerabilities in our global financial systems, and how quantum computing could reshape cybersecurity as we know it.

Kevin dives deep into why his company was founded to protect critical infrastructure from future quantum attacks and explains their journey in developing NSA-standard post-quantum encryption. From the psychology of innovation to the global stakes of unpreparedness, Kevin shares thought-provoking insights on courage, resilience, and the human side of tech entrepreneurship.

Get ready for a conversation that spans from cutting-edge cryptography to geopolitics, the nature of leadership, and the importance of family—while reminding us all why the race for secure networks is about more than technology; it’s about civilization’s survival.

Links

• Kevin's LinkedIn Profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamkevinpkane/
• Watch on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYLaWYyh37w

Time Stamps

00:00 American Binary's founding and cryptography focus

04:27 Post quantum encryption explained

09:16 Tim Ferriss immersion strategy

12:46 Talking about financial success

13:36 Hypothetical security breach scenario

16:57 Market chaos and trading shifts

21:27 Ensuring safe tech development

27:21 Driven by long-term passion

31:03 Military experience and personal resolve

32:48 Enterprise VPN with quantum encryption

36:34 Impact of Parenthood on Perspective

38:21 Understanding motives of leadership

There is a great article in Forbes called Friends Don't Let Friends be

Chinese Billionaires. And the

reason is they. They suicided,

Execute, State Execute, or murder.

Eight of them a year. Oh, wow. So

one of the misunderstandings western wealthy people

seem to not fully understand is that they're first on the chopping

block when the Chinese government no longer has to

play ball. By our standards, our wealthy

will not survive. Welcome to Impact

Quantum.

Hello and welcome back to Impact Quantum, the podcast. We explore the emerging field of

quantum computing and increasingly quantum quantum networking.

And you don't need to be a PhD or well versed in

mathematics. You just need to be curious. And with me is the most curious person

I know. Quantum curious person I know. Phrasing is very important. Right,

Candace, how's it going? Yes, that's. That's fair. Absolutely, that's fair. That's right. I'm not.

I want to be. I want to be Curious George. Right? I want to be

Curious Candace with a Q. Right, right. Oh, I like that.

Right. Candace with a Q. I think actually I took that name

somewhere. But no, I'm really excited about today. We're going to talk with a gentleman

named Kevin Kane. And Kev Kane is

the. He is the CEO of a company called American

Binary and they specifically deal with enterprise

post quantum network security. Really

exciting. So, Kevin, welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me on your show. It's a really a great

honor to be here. I love the energy that you two put forward

and I'm excited to dive into things. Awesome.

Well, thank you very much. We appreciate it. We've been doing the rebooted show for

two years now and I'm loving every minute of it. So

what exactly is American Binary and

what's your mission there? Because people talk about post Quantum all

the time and things about that, but when it comes down to

breast tacks, what does it exactly mean?

American Binary was founded in 2019 and we

specialize in securing networks over

radio and the Internet or over mobile and the Internet.

And we do that with post quantum cryptography. And we are one of

the oldest or more mature companies in the world specialized in

that. In the last 24 months, there have been many companies launched

and spin outs in this space. Whereas we have an advantage

because we developed a new novel key exchange

that we filed a patent on. How we do that and that

is important part of the transition in the world to post

quantum encryption. Quantum computing will be used to break

encryption as one of the first applications. There

seems to be an international consensus in My

world travels and conversations that everyone has accepted

that that is how certain adversary countries will use it.

In fact, those countries, including China, have

published that they are heading in the direction of using

it that way in the many attempts to develop a better

algorithm than shores that come from Chinese researchers. There's only

one reason you would do that, especially when you're naming and

trying to break RSA in the paper. Right? Right.

So you want to break encryption, we understand.

And so that has put alarm bells around the world

because we put the economy on top of the Internet, unfortunately.

So if people start breaking encryption, we might experience

run on banks, we may experience capital flight, we may

experience entire countries watch their savings

dissolve overnight as a result of

unintended consequences of the existence of that capability.

We don't know how markets will react and

especially when it's used for the first time in the wild.

So it strings me to the question about what is the mission of my company.

And the short term mission is to scale our. We built a product

that is a vpn. The VPN uses post quantum encryption.

Unlike all of our big tech competitors, our

company's solution meets what we call an NSA standard.

And the NSA standard requires what we call

full post quantum encryption. That includes post

quantum authentication. I authenticate that I am me and you

are you and you're not a Chinese spy pretending to be

you on the other side of a network. So I

authenticate and then the second thing I'm going to do is exchange a key.

And that key by NSA standard also has to be post quantum, that

key exchange. So that is where we

differentiate from all the other companies in the world who are using the

old classical key exchange because they haven't demonstrated

the technical ability, the, the desire or

their internal need for whatever reason, they have to

develop that key exchange. Instead they have opted for using an old one,

like a sort of like building a race car, but deciding to

keep the old tires on it. That

encryption is always as strong as its weakest link. That's

absolutely right. And so and then the third part that matters most

is bulk encryption. So that's the actual like blocked briefcase with

the encrypted payload. And then you could for

hashing for like system verification. So you have four parts

to encryption. And everyone that we are aware of, that we have seen around

the world has three of the parts that the NSA asks for for to

secure their networks, what is good enough for them on their

internal networks, but the key exchange. And we not

only developed the key exchange, but it's not theoretical we finished a

private peer review and have a formal verification of it with two cryptographers,

Joe Kinnery and Thomas Shrimpton. They were at Galois, they

were darpa. They are DARPA performers and they are extremely well known

cryptographers. In fact, Thomas Shrimpton founded rw

co founded RWC in the iacr International association of

Cryptological Research. They're very, very brilliant people and we

had two of them review all of our technical claims as a company.

And one of their quotes was we are the farthest along in this verification in

the world for the new era of post quantum

encryption. Right. For our product. The exact quote's a little bit different but

you get the point. Yeah, well and you've been doing this since 2019,

so that does make you very, very much one of the original

guardians in this space. Yes, we saw the problem heading

coming very early. I sort of found it surprising

that people didn't and when they would even argue against it.

And it brings me to a psychological aspect of people. This is, this

has been a real journey for me learning about people and learning

how, you know, like they say I'll cross a mob will walk off a

cliff. Right. And you sort of see

that in a space where know many people who were wise

said, you know, the people will learn when it's too late. So I thought,

well we, they have to be influenced and persuaded in advance. You know,

I'm going to develop my network, I'm going to influence people,

I'm going to make my case, I'm going to show them what it is that

I see. One of the challenges of being in my role is that

we're often misunderstood. And where we have strategic insight,

they see luck. Where we are right about something

because of very sophisticated means that we've thought through.

They see somebody who was smart one time so you never

really fully get credit for it. And part of the reason for that is

psychological insecurity. People generally don't like to admit

that the other person figured something out that they did not where they

don't see the credentials. I mean I'm a particular type of entrepreneur

where I like to go into places that I lack credentials

and I like to do something better than. People have been working on it for

30 years there. That's my style. I went into

AI after sort of being in economics and working with

economists and then I started a quantitative hedge fund manager with

no background in trading, finance or coding. And then it's

the same thing when we went into this space. No one on the original founding

team worked in national security and nor did we work on post quantum

cryptography and nor do we focus exclusively on encryption

or securing enterprise networks. And so

there's a certain pride in doing that. And for me it

sort of came from my experiences in life.

Over the course of my life I've learned that it's very

possible to learn something within two to

three years and do it better than people have been doing it. 20 at least.

You aspire to do that, right? That's sort of the goal.

Yeah, that's very much a Tim Ferriss thing that the, if you ever

read the four hour work week, which is totally a lie, like it's never a

four hour work week and he even says that. Is that what he does? He

kind of immerses himself in a particular problem space for

six weeks to three months. So that's why he is,

you know, I think he's a, he, he won the

Argentina National Tango Championship and all the crazy things

he's done is because he does kind of stop what he's doing and immerse himself

in this one thing. And it sounds like you, you follow

very similar philosophy in, in that regard. And I think

as you push forward in this and you know, whether it's AI,

whether it's quantum, a lot of the math starts repeating itself. Right.

Like it's not entirely going from AI to Quantum, is not

entirely going from 0 to 1, it's probably going from 0 point.

Right. I don't know if you would agree with that or not, but

one of my closest friends, a really brilliant guy, he's got an

IQ over 150. So you know, the

interpretation is it means he can learn fast, he's a clever

guy, he can learn very fast and he'll blow through books and weekends

that are heavy. Right. But we talk a lot and one of the comments

is that after you've read of Nothings, everything is the same, no matter the

field. Right. It just becomes a different kind of

pattern in a different form. Whereas other people see something specific,

he will see familiar patterns and that allows him to speed up the

learning process and skip over a lot of things. That's

a good way to put it. Yeah. You did say a couple things that I

did have some questions about. So I was under the impression

NIST was. So, so, so who, who's creating these standards for post

quantum cryptography? Obviously nsa. Obviously. Obviously NSA is going to

be a big player in this. Right. Like that goes without saying, but I thought

NIST had the official standard bearer of coming

up with the standards, or is there another standards body I'm not aware of?

So NIST develops the standards for the algorithms.

That's it. They stop there. They do not write standards

for what to do with the algorithms, for certifying

software, for saying that you've met a bar to secure a network.

So that's a big misunderstanding is that a lot of people think that

if you use the post quantum algorithms, your product is post quantum.

And it's not that this is, this is a language problem.

So, you know, throwing a post quantum authentication in

without using AES256TCM and using

AES128 is probably not post quantum,

right? Then you have the whole problem of the key distribution, which

you also need to secure the key, right? So there are

cryptographers who use what they call the hybrid method, which is.

So there are four parts. Authentication, key exchange, bulk encryption, and

hashing. And they will use a classical key exchange in their

weaker link. And what they will say is that, but

inevitably, even if the keys are broken, AES is still secure,

so it's okay. And I think that while that, that may be

true cryptographically sound, it is

not true when it comes to how the world might see it,

that is not as sophisticated as them. I grew up

in a house of well water and septic tanks. My parents house

cost $40,000 by US standards.

And that's where I lived when I was in elementary school with a grade that

had eight students in it in a tiny Catholic school.

So, you know, for me, I see making that kind of wealth is.

It means something different to me than it might some other people, depending on their

personality. For me, I realized that

nobody I care about ever has

to work again. And their children and their grandchildren

and their cousins ever have to work again or worry about money

infinitely into the future if I am a good custodian of that money,

right? So we now are kings. It's if you make 50 million,

you have just made yourself a king. And I

tell people who want to make that, let that, let that sit in,

right? And let that drive you. You are now a king maker

at the table too. You can make someone else a millionaire if you want to.

And then somebody breaks the

RSA 2048 very high bar of security

or elliptic curve cryptography in the key exchange.

And they put it on Wall street bets 12 hours before an invasion

in Taiwan, right? When there's satellite imagery of

the war preparing, and they do it in New York City.

And then there is immediate misinformation all over the Internet about

what happened. Right. How many minutes before there

are mass withdrawals from the bank from people like

myself who have just made that money? No one's

gonna, yeah, I can almost speak in absolutes and say

no one's gonna wait for a cryptographer to get on television to tell them. Well,

well actually it's still secure because

yes, it is an international disaster waiting to

happen simply because, look, when I tell people what we

do, I get sometimes people coming back six months

later, later who are CTOs at major organizations

asking, but how are you doing that without like quantum

entanglement in a computer? I'm like, what, what? This is

not what we discussed. So it's not that it's insult.

I don't mean to be insulting to some people like that, but

it's, it's sort of overwhelming for people when they hear the word quantum.

And so you, you, you will never persuade me that the

markets will react reasonably to this kind of threat

if people get confused. Quantum

computing and using software to defend against

it. Right. And so it's

such a complex thing for some people to digest

that they are not going to have the patience for nuance. I don't think

anyone will. Basic cryptography is, has been a lot for a lot

of people to digest. But yeah, sorry, Candace. Okay. I'm like me, me.

So, so which sectors, I mean, as

you're talking about this threat, which sectors are the most

vulnerable if they delay quantum preparedness?

So while she was Director of National Intelligence,

Tulsi Gabbard gave a really well prepared speech

that you can speculate, probably had the help of the intelligence community.

And in that briefing to House was

she expected financial sector to be among the first hit.

And it was. She specifically said that

that's. As a former hedge fund person,

that to me is the obvious solution to the problem for

China with Taiwan. Right. So you can imagine if

Wall Street. So it goes like this. You have someone putting in a

very large order, like a black rock or a black water.

Black water, blackrock. And they, they are going

to put in that order and it might take two weeks to fill because the

position is so large. You fill it faster,

you have a fat rapid moving on price and slippage. So

you set the order to be filled over a long period of time.

So, you know, let's say you have a two weeks or three week period to

fill in a gigantic order because you're shifting things around. Maybe

you're going to sell off some of your holdings in data cent

or AI because you're aware of an innovation or an announcement coming. So the

new president's coming in and they have some new initiatives. So then

asset managers start changing their investments to match

those thesis. Right? So you can see this scenario coming

and just as the administration is onboarding,

suddenly there is keys that are

supposed to be mathematically impossible to break. Not even in a thousand years

with a computer to one of those banks put on,

on on a Reddit feed for trading.

Everyone now knows what orders to get behind,

right? They know what orders to get behind to make a lot of money

or to get in front of.

So probably what will happen is the exchanges will shut down,

right? Because prices will go crazy of

people being what people do. Right.

And then when they restart it again, the adversary does it again

at a different bank or a different company that

moves to market. When people start putting that information on the

Internet then the exchanges are

shut down indefinitely and we're hemorrhaging trillions of dollars.

Right. You would be extremely

difficult to organize a military when there is a problem

in the ability to pay them. It's

almost a non invasive way to take a country down.

Right. And I don't see how it's not used like that or

implied as a threat like that. It to me it's. We have already

done that in some ways In World War II we used the

ability to decrypt to sink German U boats.

But if we could have sunk German banks, right.

Five years before then they would not have had the ability to feed the war

machine. They'd had no money. And

so while this is all hypothetical, you can imagine that there

are people slightly more evil than us who are

extremely hungry and they're paid literally to think about this all day

long in our adversary countries. Right.

And so this is one of the way reasons why I think

Tulsi mentioned it is because other people whose job it is

to game this out have also fancied and imagined just

exactly how it can be used.

It's like a financial nuclear weapon. Yes. So you're seeing

a push in national security circles in the United States to

push exclusively for full post quantum encryption.

Right. There are companies that lobby they who and they haul.

They don't have a solution or they say it's not interoperable.

Right. Or they don't have a solution because they use

ICAV2 which is also a standard protocol.

You know, they don't want to have to upgrade their network. That's going to be

expensive. And things that really just don't matter in the end

that have Nothing to do with survival. There's also still

a challenge of getting people to acknowledge that this is their problem,

this is their threat, and that this

affects us all. And another aspect is it's an international problem.

So for example, if the Japanese

stock market, the Nikkei 225, one of their

companies were hit in such a fashion, the US would feel it

immediately because correlation and exposure.

So if Nikkei225 dives, the new York Stock Exchange,

its, its companies will also dive. We,

we cannot, we're not decoupled. So

this is not just a U. S. National security problem, it's an international

problem. And so some would say that a country then would

never use it because it hurts itself. And that's absolutely not how

it works in history. Germany was France's largest

trading partner in the start of World War II. Countries are

not deterred by money when they want to make war.

You know, you're historically based, you

know, politically based. I have to ask

you, like, what keeps you up at night when you think about the future

of cybersecurity? I think

it's our job in my area to

make it safe for people who work in quantum computing and

AI to continue to develop their technologies so that

we can use them for good by mitigating the risks of how

it can be used for the bad.

It's essential that we go full ahead with AI as fast as

possible in quantum computing for discoveries in

the sciences. We need the sciences in order to solve those

larger problems in the world. Right? We need

more efficient power generation, we need lower cost

electricity to reduce inflation.

Our problems, many of the world involve money and the cost

of resource. And we need the sciences to lower all of them.

Food should be nickels on the dollar to what it is, and

advances in science will make that possible. The last thing

we need is more expensive gasoline or more expensive

milk. This stuff should be at the floor bottom, inexpensive,

so that everyone is then increased in buying power per household,

which alleviates poverty, which reduces social

tension, social issues, and also it

reduces people being distracted by things. Quite frankly,

only matter when people are angry people. And so we

need to have those advances in science that will come from quantum computing. They're essential

to the survival of humanity, especially where we are at right now in the

world. And in order to do that, they cannot be threats to

everyone. So we run out ahead of it laying the train tracks to make them

safe. And that is a primary, one of the primary functions of

my company. From a deep level, this is not just about network

security. This is not just about post quantum encryption and

some stupid buzzword I can use to raise money and be excited to

be a part. These are tied to real problems, real

civilizational survival problems. And I

was gonna say civilization level defense. And

so for me, I saw it that way from day one

and that was what inspired me to want to do it.

If it wasn't like that, then I would not have done it

in. One of the things we find that I often communicate to people who are

not familiar with tech, especially tech in

this, like founder driven tech in the west coast, in the US

is that there is no amount of money you can pay a talented person to

work on a problem they don't want to. Yeah.

And so when you have the world as your oyster to choose what

you want to work on, even if you're broke, but you have that talent,

you're only going to do what you want. And so

that's another interesting point. Not if they don't want to.

So you have to find people who want to solve this problem. Money doesn't fix

it. Talented people don't care about money.

They care about what they want to do, what they're

passionate about. And that means that money doesn't solve a

problem where you have a talent deficiency. At this level of skill

and this level of drive and focus, you can't.

No, that's a good way to put it. Sorry, Candace. No, no, no.

I'm just. My mind is being blown. I'm

loving it. Why do you believe the quantum threat is often

misunderstood by both technical and non technical

audiences?

People are busy and they have a hundred things to do. I

think, you know, if I could go off topic a

little bit. Someone asked, what do you think is the future for

humanity with AI, There are a lot of logistical problems to be solved.

But the answer sort of ties into your question. People

have families, they have children, they have a hundred things

to think about. And mine is the area we

operate. It's one of the scariest. It's also sort of in the

abstract right now and in the world of

Instagram and in the world of a news cycle that

changes on the hour. I don't fault anyone for not

tracking the details of my space. And I'm not

sure they should. I mean, in an ideal world, I.

I would spend all of my time with my family and my son.

I sort of have come to the realization in the world of AI, something good

will happen. People will say, what is that? Instead of

running from your families to go build companies. For many people,

running from your households to go save the world. Put all your energy

where you're supposed to put it. Put it to your children, being present with them.

Instead of trying to become the CEO of an S&P 500 company,

why don't you try to become the CEO of the greatest children in the world?

And a lot of humans, especially in our era, really go to

work to cope with the fact that they don't want to be home. That's the

truth. Yeah. And in the world of AI, ideally

we can take all of that entrepreneurial energy, we can take

all of that drive and put it into

mastering our families. That would be a better world.

I can't argue with that statement. No, certainly not. Certainly

not. So when they say, what am I going to do? I just told you,

there they go. What would you say to someone

who is curious about the quantum space,

whether it's, you know, algorithmic type work or is

it they're in a non quantum career and they want to explore what their options

are? What would you say to them?

I think people who are passionate

will always find something to do

and I can say what my advice is, what works for me

and that is to only work on what I'm passionate about

and then I will find a place for me in it.

And I am passionate about world. A world

arrived 25 and 50 years later. That's what

I think about when I'm in front of someone I disagree with

is, oh no, is this person going to slow

me down on where I want to arrive 25 years later?

And I put an immense amount of weight in the present on what I

am benchmarking against 25 years later, five

years later. And so for me, sort of as a person

who is an archetype founder, I'm not

driven by the quarter and I'm not driven by the things that many other people

are. I am driven almost exclusively by my passion

for my belief in what I'm doing. And I had to do like that.

I don't seek, I don't seek external validation. When we started this seven years

ago, there were almost nobody in support of us. There was

somebody recently who said, you know, he should have done this four

years ago and he should have done that three years ago. And

I said, well, where were you then at that time to help me do that?

Right. Otherwise you're just an armchair researcher

talking about a foreign country you've never visited. It's sort of,

it's tone deaf and it's a lack of self awareness

to sort of have that Hindsight commentary. It's silly,

right? And so for me, I never cared. I thought, found

it laughable or annoying, a distraction. And for

a lot of people, it's even more annoying that I don't care what they think,

but I just articulated why they don't deserve it. I will

take advice, I will integrate it, but the social

psychological layer aspect, People will get absolutely nothing

from me because you have to earn that to, to

receive that from me. Look, if you don't have the kind of

courage that it takes to do this kind of stuff, you're not

going to be respected that way. I'm sorry. Yeah,

I think that. I'm sorry. People who seek external

validation in turn lack courage.

Oh, that's a heck of a statement. I mean, it's 100. It's 100.

That's a meme like, right? Yeah, yeah. Because courage

requires being misunderstood. Courage requires going

against the grain. Courage requires following a

goal that has nothing to do with what the people around you believe.

Right. You know, part of your journey. I know. Included

being involved in the military. Do you think that

being involved in military service

has flavored

some of your views on courage,

entrepreneurship, going against the grain?

The military is a testing ground for yourself

and your resolve. And if you're really good at

getting where you want by attuning yourself to the external

validation, you will excel in that in the military, if you really focus

on it, you want it, you're ambitious, you can turn that

into a good. Right. You can be so socially attuned that you're popular.

Right. And if you're very driven on not

losing your identity when you're in the military, not becoming

like the machine, but wearing a mask because it's a job for

you, you're going to harden that resolve too, which was more my

style. I tell people every day. I hated getting up at 5:30

in the morning. I hated running 16 miles a week. I

hated listening to people who

clearly lacked like, traceable reasoning skills. Sometimes

it's very hard to do that, to know that someone is wrong

and to follow them, to know that they are not nuanced and to

follow them. I think nothing is harder than for a smart person than to do

something they know is stupid. And so people say, how did

you do it? A lot of discipline, a lot of self

control and a lot of discipline. And for the ME the military

taught self control, long horizon, self control. I

reenlisted not wanting to be in the army. People say, why did you do that?

I had goals more important than want More important than emotion,

more important than how I feel. And I will sacrifice

all of those things for something that I fix on and that I want.

And that the military will teach you because it is unforgiving

on what it wants from you and it won't flex for you.

So if you want something, you're going to have to develop that

strength. Right? And that's what it taught me.

Where can folks find out more about you and what

your company's up to? They can go to

www.ambit.in.

the company is American Binary. The website is Ambit because our product

is called Ambit Client. Okay. Ambit Client is an

enterprise VPN that is using full post quantum encryption

with no weak links in the cryptography and that meets the

NSA CNSA 2.0 standard for securing national

security networks. We have the receipts and the formal verification

improves to show that. And it's the only

one in the world that can be used, for example, for a drug

discovery company to send data over Europe from the US or

China. And there is no world where they can decrypt it by

the quantum computer and read what was in that information.

In the world we live today, China is accused of by

a former NSA director of lifting 600 billion in IP from

the United States every year. And I think I read

somewhere like 10 to 30% of it is through cyber

operations. So direct trade secret and other theft.

Right. And so imagine what those numbers will be when

they can harvest your data and then decrypt it later. Right.

So they are harvesting data over networks. China

has been recording network traffic for approximately 15 years.

Every mobile device and every computer. And they are,

they're accused of having a recorded history of the entire Internet over

their network. So every executive who has

had an extramarital affair will be paying

the piper. If the Chinese government wants something from them

and every scientist too, they will know.

And not only will they know, they will have the unflattering unencrypted

evidence. Wow. Blackmail on

an unprecedented scale. Of course it's inevitable. There is a

great article in Forbes called Friends Don't Let Friends be Chinese

Billionaires. And the reason

is they, they suicided, Execute,

state execute or murder eight of

them a year. Oh, wow. So one of the

misunderstandings Western wealthy people seem to

not fully understand is that they're first on the chopping block

when the Chinese government no longer has to play ball. By our

standards, our wealthy will not survive.

Yeah, well, I don't, I don't

know about that. I think that humanity is more

resilient than that. They certainly play a role in the

investor dynamic. Right. And in

believing in things and putting capital behind it. That, by the way, they don't have

to do, they choose to do. I find that a lot of people, at least

in the United States, United States, wealthy people, are I

think majority first generation. So they are many of them

self created driven people. And driven

people just don't turn that off when they make money. Many of them keep

going. And so it's that drive, I think, that

underpin it, not underpinned it with not just their wealth. Right,

right. No, I mean, that's a good way to put it. It's for a species

that I think we think we're above our baser instincts, but

I don't think we are. And when panic sets in, panic's gonna

set in. I'm an optimist about

people. I, I feel that, number one, I

noticed in the last five years, especially in the U.S. a lot of negative talk.

Right. Because when we have children and, and we're truly present with them

and we're, we're a part of their inner worlds. I always say that a parent's

not doing their job if they're not a part of the inner world of their

children. Being in the house and clothing them and putting food on the

table doesn't make us parents. Parents is also raising that

inner world and, and it changes us. That's why I'm a big advocate for that.

My son's inner world and learning, it changed me.

And it makes us more patient people. It makes us allow for more

human flaws and it allows us to, to realize that

we can't control people, but we can be a part of

shaping what kind of person they are and their

resilience. Then when we go out and we're yelling in

politics and we're yelling about what the world should be, our

temperaments will be different as a result of that. And we would

be more graceful and more cautious people and being so sure we're

right because we lived with that human being

that's growing in our house and watching them form.

For me, being a parent and a loving father is very, very important part

of my psyche and my decisions as an entrepreneur.

But like you said, we are animals and we are human. And I have

that drive myself, so I try to balance that.

Well, that's awesome. We'll definitely put a link to your

company and LinkedIn profile in the show notes and any parting thoughts,

Candace? Honestly, brilliant, brilliant

conversation. Really. Very cool. You know, Frank and

I are gonna be talking about how soon we get to release. Like, it's. Yeah,

that's right. Honestly, it's. So we're gonna be talking about afterward because you

really, you. You. You. You brought in politics and you brought

in sociology and humanity and. And

science and really just kind of showed, you know,

it's all. It's all dependence, interdependence on each

other, and it was fantastic. Kevin, thank you so much for your time

and your brain, like, really enjoy talking to you. And I really

would invite you back to continue. I'll

leave you with a way of looking at things. When we see dictators and we

see people who want to save the world aggressively, and you can

tell there is something missing from their home when they do that. The question I

think we all should ask is, who hurt you? Right. Right.

Wanting to save the world is one thing. Wanting to believe that you're the person

uniquely qualified, it should be followed with who hurt you?

Right. So it sort of

dovetails into the challenge of post

quantum encryption, because we are trying to save the world. But

for me, developing that psychological grounding is

really important for someone who takes on this task. That's awesome.

We'll let the music play. I can't think of a better way to end than

that. Yeah, it was beautiful.

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