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Have you ever heard the slogan “Black Privilege”? Most, I think would say no. My guest Pastor Roy Niedfeldt will discuss what he terms black privilege and why it’s so important that it’s recognized.
Pastor Roy Niedfeldt was born and raised in Cudahy, Wisconsin a southeastern suburb of Milwaukee. For several years, he pastored his church and ran a charity for the previously incarcerated. At this time, he and his wife are looking at possibly doing a church plant. In the interim, they attend Evolve Church on North 76th Street in Milwaukee.
Show Highlights:
· Why he wrote the article “Black Privilege”
· Community’s reaction to George Floyd's killing
· The Slogan “White Privilege” comes out
· God wants us to see the good in people
· Spirituality is very important
· Black people’s great spiritual heritage
· Slavery – In suffering people cry out to God
· White people in America shifting away from God
· Black people pass down spirituality to children
· The advantage of spirituality
· The response to his article “Black Privilege”
· Black young people see themselves as lower
In next week’s episode, we will conclude this interview. Be sure to tune in then.
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Transcripts
praise God for the black grandparents
and their parents and the generations
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of black people who've passed down
very specifically their faith in God.
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I can't tell you how many kids
I talked to and they're like,
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Oh, my grandma's a minister.
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My grandpa's in the church.
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my uncle's a deacon.
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And so, there's just this godly heritage.
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Almost every African American
grandma I know is usually a
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sweet old lady who loves Jesus.
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Now I'm not saying all of
them, but the majority.
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And in white society,
that's just not true.
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So there's this great heritage
that Black people have
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preserved and have passed down.
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If white people have passed down
economics, Black people have passed down
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spirituality, and that's something to
be proud of, something to celebrate,
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and really gives them an advantage.
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If white people have passed down
economics, Black people have passed down
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spirituality, and that's an advantage.
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Hello, everyone, and welcome
to a prisoner's pardon podcast
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with me, your host Michi J.
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Today, we're going to be talking
about an interesting subject.
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And it's called black privilege.
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I know it almost sounds like
an oxymoron, but my guest
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today doesn't seem to think so.
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My guest is Roy Neafelt.
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He is a pastor, a white pastor,
actually, who lives in a predominantly.
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Black area.
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And he has some interesting ideas
about black privilege that I had the
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pleasure of talking to him about briefly.
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I wanted you to hear it.
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So I invited him on the show.
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Welcome Pastor Niefeld.
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How you doing today?
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I'm doing good.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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Okay, great.
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Great.
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Thank you for coming.
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Like I just told our audience,
we want to talk about, I believe
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it was the article you did.
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It was called black privilege.
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And, , first off introduce
yourself a little bit more.
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I know it's a lot more to you and I
want my audience to know who you are.
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Okay.
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So my name is Pastor Roy and,
um, I, I live here in Milwaukee.
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I was born and raised on the South side
of Milwaukee on a little suburb that
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most people will know called Cudahy.
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And, um, Didn't have a lot of
familiarity with the black community.
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, but you know, definitely had friends
and stuff of different colors and
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different races and all kinds of stuff.
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But we moved to me and my wife moved to
the meadows as it's known for most people.
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And, uh, currently actually called
the woodlands, which is 91st and Brown
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deer, roughly about 10 years ago.
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And, um, it really, you know, has been
an experience to, um, Live in the all
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black culture as a white pastor and
get to know my neighbors and, uh, get
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to love people and know people and
serve the people of the neighborhood.
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, we started a church out there.
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That church is currently not going.
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We actually currently
attend Evolve Church.
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Shout out to Evolve.
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Woo woo!
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Awesome church in
Milwaukee on 76th and Mill.
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And we're in between being active pastors.
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We've actually been pastoring on Tetonia
as well, at another great church, and had
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recently resigned there, and are looking
at possibly doing a church plant, or
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getting involved maybe with Evolve More.
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We'll have to see what God has.
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So, we've had some very
unique experiences.
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I've ran a charity for ex
felons for several years.
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And, um, I'm just a super involved
individual, so I like to get involved
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and help wherever I can, which has
sometimes put me in some crazy good and
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sometimes some crazy bad situations,
but it's been a learning experience
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and I'm open to learning more.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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Wow.
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I applaud you for that, for
your, you and your wife moving.
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, a very, , area that can be, you know, kind
of really struggling challenging area.
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I know last year we had, I think the most
homicides of any block in Milwaukee or
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probably Chicago per capita, I believe.
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Uh, technically, I think a few of
them were off the block by just a
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couple feet, 50 feet or 100 feet,
depending on how you measure.
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Um, but last, last year, I know we had
like eight homicides on our city block.
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It was a, it was a rough year, but this
year so far zero that I know of at least.
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Oh, okay.
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It's a, it's a, it's a crazy area.
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Oh yeah.
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I know.
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I've heard of it.
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So tell us about why, why did, why did you
write this article and tell us about that?
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Yeah, so this article, um, this happened
right after the killing of George
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Floyd, and, um, I wanted to be part of a
solution, and I, and you know, everybody,
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um, everybody was trying to do something.
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I don't want to say everybody, but a
vast majority of people wanted to do
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something, and there were a lot of, uh,
thoughts, a lot of ideas on reform, on
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what exactly went wrong, what exactly,
you know, should change, and how it
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should change, and, I didn't want to say
something stupid, for lack of a better
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word, so I, I just prayed for a while,
like a few days, and listened to different
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neighbors and different friends of mine,
saying, you know, what do you think about
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this, you know, what do you, what do you
think should change, you know, what do
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you think caused this exactly, and, and
led up to these circumstances, and so
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on and so forth, and I will say it was
fascinating to me that I heard opinions
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in the black community from one end of
the spectrum all the way to the other.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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And as I was praying about it, I
really felt like God, God spoke to
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me, uh, a few days into that and said
some things very, very clearly to me.
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The first thing he said was I needed
to be extraordinarily sensitive.
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And, uh, there was just, he said, you,
you, you have to know that there's
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an, uh, like basically my people that
this group of people, um, with it,
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you know, God loves everyone the same.
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Let me just.
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say that first.
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I don't believe God
distinguishes us by color.
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But to say that humans haven't and
don't, um, often do it, it would just
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be a pure factual lie on its face.
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And so I just felt like God spoke
to me and said, you need to be
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incredibly sensitive towards
the African American community.
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They've been through a lot of pain.
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You know, and and I just really
felt it as he told it to me, like
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the sense of like God's compassion.
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And so I felt like I would, I
shouldn't be quick to speak.
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I shouldn't be quick to, um, you
know, quick to just say, well,
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maybe this or maybe that would help.
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Um, and then he told me
something that I just.
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Never would have thought of and I
thought, Lord, are you sure, are you
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sure you want me to say these words
because there were definitely some
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slogans, you know, that came out and
just kind of like some statements.
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Obviously, Black Lives Matter came out as
a group, but it also came out as a slogan
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and there were other slogans that came out
of it and one of them was white privilege.
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And I mean, that had been around for
a while, but people were using that
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that term a lot more just to refer
to the fact that white people had
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had privilege in this country and.
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In reference, obviously, they
were implying that black people
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did not have that same privilege.
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And so I felt like the
Lord just spoke to me.
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He said, I want you to write an
article called black privilege.
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And I thought, Oh man, my
wife is going to be so mad.
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This is going to make people mad at me.
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I thought, Oh Jesus, are you sure?
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And I prayed about it
again and I really felt it.
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And Uh, it definitely made a few mad,
but I would, I would say that probably
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95 to 98 percent of African American
people responded very positively to
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it, and, um, I am, I'm very glad that
I wrote the article, um, and I'd be
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glad to, to tell you all about it.
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Okay, great.
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I want to copy if you
still have it as well.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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It's on my Facebook page and I will,
I'll go back, copy it and send it to you.
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If you want, I can break down the
whole contents now, or if you want to.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, for sure.
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Go ahead.
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So black privilege is a very just
simple idea, but it's not an idea.
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I really felt this came from the Lord.
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This isn't something that I thought of.
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This isn't something that I got
from interviewing people or asking
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questions or, you know, gathering
data or anything like that.
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Um, It's, I really feel God always wants
to point out the good in people and in
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society, and God is not bypassing or not
acknowledging the pain and the difficulty
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that there is in many black communities,
and that historically that black
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people have gone through in many ways.
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Um, but he was pointing out to me instead
of saying, Hey, let's, he wanted society
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instead of saying, Hey, you know, white
people have better economics here.
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Which is true overall, you
know, and again, it differs
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from individual to individual.
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Of course, nobody's going to say an NBA
player has, you know, bad economics,
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but overall, there's a lot of African
American people who don't have as
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good economics as white people and.
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A lot of people just look at that and they
just get angry and they get frustrated.
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And, and a lot of times people talk
to me about that and they're just, you
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know, you white people, are you this,
are you that, or, or white people.
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Sometimes they don't include me
'cause I'm their friend and they
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just kind of, you know, white
people have it easier and better.
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Mm-hmm.
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and in many ways economically
that's true and has been true.
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And, and hopefully that will improve, but
there's a much more important aspect of
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one's life that people are missing out
on when, when they look at it that way.
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And that is spirituality.
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In the end, all that's really going to
matter is, is where we go when we die.
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You know, every, everyone's going to die.
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So people who believe in religion,
people who specifically believe
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in Christianity, um, you know, we
believe we're either going to go to
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heaven or we're going to go to hell.
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And so in the end, nobody's going
to care if you're a billionaire on
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earth, or if you lived in a tin shack.
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It's going to matter what reward do you
have in heaven and where did you go?
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And what God told me is that Black people
have a great privilege that they're not
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Realizing now that doesn't again mean
all of them aren't realizing it, but the
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majority and in America, black people
have this great spiritual heritage.
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I am not going to pretend to know
exactly how it all came about, but my.
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The little bit I know, and, and
people can correct me and, and educate
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me on this a little more if I'm
wrong, is I think slavery had, um,
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obviously it was a negative thing.
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But when, when things go
negative, people cry out to God.
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And so in the history books, in
movies, if they're accurate, which
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I know a lot aren't, um, you see a
lot of people reaching out to God.
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You hear of godly people like
Harriet Tubman, and you hear of
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godly other people who rose up.
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within the difficulty of it.
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And a lot of African Americans
turned for the Lord strongly.
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I mean, you have the, the spirituals,
which I believe is the proper name
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for a lot of the songs that came out
of the, that era and African American
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people have held onto that through all
their struggles, through the sixties,
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through all the civil rights movement.
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Martin Luther King was
obviously a minister.
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And so if you go in the black society
and you drive up and down the streets
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where it's predominantly black Here's
what you're going to see church church
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church church church If you talk to uh
african american kids, which I do all
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the time as well as adults I remember
I was speaking to one specific group I
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said how many of you believe in god and
one kid looked at me and he said pastor.
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Are you stupid?
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He said everybody believes in god And
I thought, how sad, because he didn't
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realize that there's this huge society
in America, which is primarily the white
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society, which is shifting away from God.
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They're primarily becoming
atheistic, they're becoming
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agnostic, they're becoming just the
belief in some other type of God.
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The white population in America
is not a very godly population.
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Maybe they used to be, you
know, 70, 80, 90 years ago.
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But they have shifted away.
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Where African Americans have
this society that still has
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just hundreds more churches.
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They have the biggest, um, um, Pentecostal
denomination, the church of God in Christ,
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and is primarily all African American.
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So there's just this godly heritage.
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Almost every African American
grandma I know is usually a
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sweet old lady who loves Jesus.
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Now I'm not saying all of
them, but the majority.
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And in white society,
that's just not true.
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So there's this great heritage
that Black people have
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preserved and have passed down.
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If white people have passed down
economics, Black people have passed down
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spirituality, and that's something to
be proud of, something to celebrate,
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and really gives them an advantage.
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And I think that's the premier, um,
Aspect that's looked at when black
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people say, you know, there's white
privilege and they're frustrated and
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they're angry and they're disappointed.
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They're saying, listen, I don't
have, I don't have the honor.
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I don't have the advantage.
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I'm at a disadvantage.
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But you know what, you're also growing
up at an advantage of spirituality,
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that majority of black people have
Christianity in their homes and
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have a faith in God to some degree.
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Wow, that is like, I believe that's
incredibly insightful, and it definitely
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had to come from God for sure.
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And, , I think you're right on target
with that because that is what I've been
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seeing as well, , that, , for a spiritual
ality and having an openness to, , the
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spirit of God, it's, it's easier.
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We seem to grasp it.
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Easier, I should say, and I didn't
know, um, you know, pinpoint exactly
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why until you just mentioned about when
people are getting persecuted and broken
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down, they get to cry out to the Lord.
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They have no choice in a get
to have a relationship with
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him, which becomes very rich.
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Well, and praise, praise God for the black
grandparents and their parents and the
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generations of black people who've passed
down very specifically their faith in God.
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You know, I can't tell you how
many kids I talked to and they're
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like, Oh, my grandma's a minister.
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My grandpa's in the church.
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My, my uncle's a deacon.
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And so, you know.
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People have to take pride in what's
important in life and make sure
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they pass it down to their kids.
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And just being brutally honest,
the white society has not done
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that at this point in America.
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I'm terrified for white society.
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When I try to go to a suburb and I'm...
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trying to witness.
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And if I'm in a grocery store, wherever
I am, and I'm trying to tell some
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white person about Jesus, usually their
response is extraordinarily negative.
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They're like, leave me alone
with that BS or mother blinker.
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Get away from me.
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I mean, I get incredibly
hostile responses regularly.
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And I could walk up to anywhere from a
wealthy, uh, elite dressed businessman
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in the African American, uh, community to
a gangster who's got his pistol with an
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extended mag tucked out of his pants and
his grill on and say, Hey, what up, man?
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Can I talk to you about Jesus?
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Almost every time the response is
going to be yes and and a lot of times
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people say everybody needs a prayer
And I think there's just there is large
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differences, you know, um between the
black in In certain areas where it's
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predominantly all african american
or black or in certain areas So it's
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predominantly all white or caucasian.
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I think that's where you would notice
the biggest differences and Again,
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there's certainly neighborhoods that
are a little bit mixed and I think,
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you know, then cultures begin to
blend, which is, which is a healthy
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thing as long as we're blending the
positive things of both culture.
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And I just think this is a positive thing.
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Matter of fact, you know, it might be hard
to always feel that way, like, certainly,
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and it can be super stressful and you
don't have the money to pay your bills or.
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You're struggling with, you know,
economics at any factor of your life.
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But in the end, this is actually
the more important of the two.
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And I think that's what God was really
highlighting to me as well, is if I could
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pick one or the other as a human being,
you'd actually rather be in the one.
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group than the other if you had an
advantage of spirituality, because
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in the end that will lead to the
better, you could even say that
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would lead to the better economics,
because in heaven, that's the reward
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that will last, you know, that's the
streets of gold and the house that
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has been prepared for you by Jesus.
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So, , there is an advantage
in being African American.
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You know, is there some disadvantages?
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Absolutely.
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And should those be changed?
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Absolutely.
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That's like I said, that's incredibly
insightful and yeah, these eternal
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things are way more important than
what's actually passing like seasonal.
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I should say.
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And, , so you said you had a 95 percent
approval with the article in, um, dealing
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with the African American community.
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Community, the black American community.
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I mean, whenever living, living in
all African American neighborhood,
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the last 10 years has been eye
opening because sometimes I'm
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a little quick with my mouth.
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I like to talk and sometimes I have
to apologize because I, you know,
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say something real fast or I don't
let somebody finish talking or.
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You know, whatever.
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So I was nervous about writing this
article just because living in an African
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American community, you know, there's been
a few times I've offended people and, um,
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I just thought, man, I do not want to be
offensive during such a sensitive time
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that I had nothing to do with, you know,
I just kind of wanted to make sure that
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I accidentally didn't offend anybody.
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And, um, I was nervous.
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I was, I was actually very nervous.
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And I told my wife, she was like, Oh,
no, are you sure, you know, like, this
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is not the article for you to write.
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And if I remember it, I think I even got
a call from three separate pastors, all
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African American pastor friends of mine.
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And I think they were like,
Bro, what are you doing?
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Like, are you serious?
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Did you really just write that?
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And I just told them
very point, pointedly.
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I just said, listen, like,
I know I heard from God.
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So regardless of whether people
approve or disapprove, this is a
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message he's trying to get out.
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And if people don't believe it,
that's, that's up for them to decide.
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They think I'm trying to get out
my own opinion or they somehow
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think I came up with this.
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That's, that's for them to decide, but
it's not, it's something that he told me.
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Um, and it's something that he
told me he wanted me to write.
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Um, So when I put it out there, I,
I think I actually boosted it just
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because my Facebook isn't super popular.
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I don't, I don't post that often.
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And I thought, Lord, if you really want to
get this out there, I'm going to boost it.
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I'm going to, I'm going to add to this.
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And I want to, I want to get this article
hopefully copied and shared and get people
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to, to take this concept and really.
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Feel something positive from
God and and focus on what God
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is saying about their community.
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So So yeah, I got I had a lot of
responses and I would say 95 percent
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of it was positive again You get a lot
of african american Older people saying
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amen brother and you know, you're right.
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We do have something positive and quite
a few people who just said And again,
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I don't want to, it was a while ago,
it was during the George Floyd time,
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and so, um, I don't remember every
comment, but I believe a lot of them are
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just saying, hey, this is eye opening,
or I never quite saw it that way,
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or I never quite framed it that way.
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And so there was a, there
was a very positive response.
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There was a few people who just said,
sure, coming from a white past, or
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how would you know, or, or whatever.
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And, um, you know, I just kind of
ignored those comments and just thought,
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you know, I wouldn't know necessarily,
but, but God knows, you know, God knows
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everybody and he knows all things.
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So, all right, so the
article left it at that.
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Yeah, so my question is with
the negative feedback were they.
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Were they God believers
or were they atheists?
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Um, I'm just wanting to know
if you know, if you remember
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that, or if you even know that.
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Yeah, I think, um, I don't remember
if they specifically referenced
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whether they were or weren't, but
I, I do know, like, just, you know,
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I guess just living and talking.
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I love the jibber jabber and I think I
know every 1 of my neighbors fairly well.
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And, um.
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Yeah.
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I'm guessing some of them
were and some of them weren't.
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I mean, I think, again, I think 90 percent
of African American people that I know are
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in some way affiliated with Christianity.
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It doesn't mean they
attend church regularly.
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Um, it doesn't mean they
read the Bible every day.
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Um, but a lot of them just have
an affiliation where if you
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said, hey, what's your religion?
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They said, well, of course, I believe
in Jesus, not realizing that Jesus is.
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Not the only world religion,
you know, almost as if that's,
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it's either Jesus or not.
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And majority of people do believe
in Jesus in the African American
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community and have, again,
some history with Christianity.
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Maybe, again, maybe they're
active, maybe they're not.
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So, I think there, there definitely,
let me just put this, I think there
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definitely is a good 4, 5, 6%, maybe 10%.
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I don't know, I don't know exactly,
again, what the numbers are.
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Um, but there are people within
the church even who are offended.
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I mean, I got a call from three
different pastors, so, in minutes
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of posting, saying, please, one of
them said, please take this down.
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You are not the person.
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And I just said, listen,
I, this was not my idea.
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This was not something I wanted to write.
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Um.
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This is just something that God told
me, so I'm gonna post it, you know,
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and, and I just said, respectively,
this is my Facebook page, and if people,
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you know, give me a hard time and
hate me, I'm willing to swallow that.
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I'm willing to take that.
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So...
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You know, there's some kickback and,
and I think a large, a large part of
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that kickback focuses around one thing.
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It's just because, because I talk
to people all the time about issues
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and I try to listen to people about
what's going on in the black community
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and, and you had a long talk and I'm
sure you could have taught, uh, you
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know, figured out within that talk.
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There were plenty of points that if
somebody wanted to be offended, they
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could have been offended, you know?
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Um, and I think it's impossible
to discuss important subjects
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without offending people.
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How do you have something
that's important?
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And everyone agree.
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If everyone does agree, then
why are you discussing it?
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What's the point?
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Right?
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So if you're discussing something
important and And people don't
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agree, then you have to offend people
because it's important to them.
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It's important to you.
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You have disagreeing opinions
and humans are easily offended.
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And so it's just, it's kind of something
that just goes with the territory
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of saying something that matters.
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And, um, Talking about it openly.
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So I think I offended a few people.
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And I think the majority defense just
came from the fact that how dare you
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be a white person and have an opinion
or in their mind, probably an opinion
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or try to say something factually on
what would help the black community.
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And to me, that's a very dangerous
thought pattern because what we're
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saying then is that if you're not
somebody, like, if you're not a
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female, you can't understand females.
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If you're not a, you know, an older
person, you can't understand older people.
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And it just doesn't work.
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I mean, we have therapists and
psychologists who are counseling people
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all the time who are different than them.
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You know, we have people who are helping
people like yourself in the prison system.
436
00:23:04,502 --> 00:23:07,472
And I don't know your, your full
history, but I'm guessing you haven't
437
00:23:07,472 --> 00:23:08,992
been in the prison system actively.
438
00:23:11,402 --> 00:23:14,222
So prisoners could look to you
and say, you can't help me.
439
00:23:14,222 --> 00:23:15,512
You've never been in my shoes.
440
00:23:15,542 --> 00:23:18,342
And you know, I believe
God has given us empathy.
441
00:23:18,342 --> 00:23:21,972
And I believe God has given us the
ability to, to look at something from
442
00:23:21,972 --> 00:23:25,492
the outside and try to understand
each other as fellow human beings
443
00:23:25,902 --> 00:23:29,242
so that we can lift one another up
when we're in negative situations.
444
00:23:29,612 --> 00:23:33,007
Does that mean It's easy to understand
something you've never been through.
445
00:23:33,077 --> 00:23:34,827
I don't necessarily know if it's easy.
446
00:23:34,847 --> 00:23:37,217
I think the more you surround
yourself, the more you study,
447
00:23:37,217 --> 00:23:40,597
the more you look into something,
um, the more you can understand.
448
00:23:40,607 --> 00:23:44,047
And I think Within that, it's important
to always have an open mindset.
449
00:23:44,047 --> 00:23:47,527
Like I always tell people, like, this
is what I think and I'm pretty sure of
450
00:23:47,527 --> 00:23:49,317
it, but I could be completely wrong.
451
00:23:49,617 --> 00:23:54,107
And as I get new information, um,
I'm willing to change my thoughts.
452
00:23:54,147 --> 00:23:57,957
Now, the only way I'm not open to
changing thoughts is if I believe God
453
00:23:57,957 --> 00:24:01,787
has shared in me his thoughts and if
I'm very certain and clear on that.
454
00:24:01,797 --> 00:24:05,007
So I don't believe God makes
mistakes, but I do believe I do.
455
00:24:05,587 --> 00:24:09,167
And, um, I certainly could even make
mistakes about what I think God is saying.
456
00:24:09,587 --> 00:24:12,647
Um, I will say about this
article, I am, I am positive.
457
00:24:12,647 --> 00:24:16,227
I am sure that God spoke to me, and
I'm sure that he feels that way.
458
00:24:16,227 --> 00:24:19,687
I'm sure that he wants to uplift
the African American society
459
00:24:19,687 --> 00:24:22,987
and see, help them see, hey, we
have something to be proud of.
460
00:24:22,997 --> 00:24:24,357
We have something to boast about.
461
00:24:24,367 --> 00:24:27,337
We have something to look
at in a positive light.
462
00:24:27,987 --> 00:24:31,647
And if they can grasp that, you know,
one of the, the areas that I see in
463
00:24:31,647 --> 00:24:34,537
the black community as I interact with
them is that a lot of young people,
464
00:24:35,317 --> 00:24:39,987
they, they kind of, for lack of better
words, they see themselves as lower.
465
00:24:40,287 --> 00:24:43,837
And they're just like, you know, we're
lower than you and we, we shouldn't be.
466
00:24:43,947 --> 00:24:45,977
And who, who wouldn't agree with that?
467
00:24:46,037 --> 00:24:49,097
Unless you're an evil person,
that no human being should look
468
00:24:49,097 --> 00:24:53,867
at another and just feel lower,
just feel on a lower value.
469
00:24:54,527 --> 00:24:58,587
You know, if there was a chart, you
know, you're a 10, I'm a 7, or you're an
470
00:24:58,587 --> 00:25:01,247
8, I'm a 5, and that's just demeaning.
471
00:25:01,247 --> 00:25:05,027
Like, I don't like to walk into a party
or a group or a church and just feel like,
472
00:25:05,327 --> 00:25:07,597
like everyone here is better than me.
473
00:25:07,647 --> 00:25:11,987
I shouldn't be able to speak
up my opinions, my thoughts, my
474
00:25:12,027 --> 00:25:14,217
contributions are valued less.
475
00:25:14,497 --> 00:25:18,017
And I think that's what a lot of African
American young people, as well as people
476
00:25:18,017 --> 00:25:19,657
in general, have felt over the years.
477
00:25:20,087 --> 00:25:24,247
And God said, okay, yes, economically,
you drive through the black inner
478
00:25:24,247 --> 00:25:26,597
cities and you see worse economics.
479
00:25:26,667 --> 00:25:28,587
Then they drive through a
white neighborhood and you see,
480
00:25:28,587 --> 00:25:30,047
well, most people own a house.
481
00:25:30,047 --> 00:25:32,197
Most people, you know, have several cars.
482
00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:34,817
Most people's kids are,
you know, going to college.
483
00:25:34,817 --> 00:25:35,907
The schools are better.
484
00:25:36,407 --> 00:25:39,897
These are, these are facts that,
that we need to change as a society.
485
00:25:40,217 --> 00:25:42,777
But also when they drive through
the African American neighborhoods,
486
00:25:42,777 --> 00:25:45,457
they should see church,
church, church, church, church.
487
00:25:45,767 --> 00:25:46,537
And you drive through.
488
00:25:47,117 --> 00:25:50,597
White America and you you just don't
see that many churches anymore.
489
00:25:50,897 --> 00:25:53,427
Matter of fact, the churches
are closing at an alarming rate.
490
00:25:53,927 --> 00:25:56,987
And so You know, there's,
there's more than just economics.
491
00:25:57,027 --> 00:26:00,707
Economics are a huge deal, and I
actually think they're, uh, one of the
492
00:26:00,707 --> 00:26:05,017
biggest deals that, that need to change,
um, in one of the most important of
493
00:26:05,017 --> 00:26:08,317
matters, but above them is spirituality.
494
00:26:08,347 --> 00:26:11,277
Like, again, you make me pick
Jesus, or you make me pick my house
495
00:26:11,277 --> 00:26:13,667
and my car, uh, where do I live?
496
00:26:13,667 --> 00:26:14,567
Show me my shack.
497
00:26:15,087 --> 00:26:18,347
I want to go to heaven, you know,
and I need him, I need his support
498
00:26:18,367 --> 00:26:21,667
and I need his friendship and I
need him to be God over my life to
499
00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:22,807
help guide me through this life.
500
00:26:22,837 --> 00:26:25,017
And I need that more than
I need anything else.
501
00:26:26,007 --> 00:26:26,757
Exactly.
502
00:26:26,757 --> 00:26:28,147
I definitely agree.
503
00:26:28,157 --> 00:26:32,937
And going back to what you said
about, you know, me not being in
504
00:26:32,937 --> 00:26:38,527
a prison system, like literally in
jail or somewhere, , not because of.
505
00:26:40,717 --> 00:26:42,327
Lack of chances.
506
00:26:42,337 --> 00:26:44,497
So it's just, I was by the grace of God.
507
00:26:44,497 --> 00:26:45,297
I didn't go.
508
00:26:45,597 --> 00:26:50,617
But, , I want to say I did have a
response 1 time from a particular.
509
00:26:51,137 --> 00:26:56,342
Um, pastor, black pastor,
and he thought I wasn't.
510
00:26:56,822 --> 00:27:01,812
Worthy enough to help in this area
because he thought he thought so,
511
00:27:01,812 --> 00:27:03,302
because I've never been a president.
512
00:27:03,822 --> 00:27:06,592
So, , again, I totally agree with you.
513
00:27:06,952 --> 00:27:10,702
And the whole point is that
everybody, regardless of your
514
00:27:10,702 --> 00:27:12,712
background have to work together.
515
00:27:13,302 --> 00:27:16,912
, to solve the problem, as long as
everybody is at the table, you
516
00:27:16,912 --> 00:27:20,232
know, so to speak, but when we have
these sort of, I call it prejudices.
517
00:27:22,727 --> 00:27:28,427
It's not, it does not help with the
solution because sometimes it has
518
00:27:28,427 --> 00:27:31,867
to be someone on that's close to it.
519
00:27:31,907 --> 00:27:35,377
Not necessarily inside of it
to see something where the
520
00:27:35,377 --> 00:27:37,077
person inside cannot see.
521
00:27:37,507 --> 00:27:44,557
So, you definitely have to have a diverse
of counselors to solve this issue.
522
00:27:44,607 --> 00:27:46,867
And I, I really.
523
00:27:47,212 --> 00:27:50,272
Congratulate you for doing this article.
524
00:27:50,462 --> 00:27:58,002
It did take bravery and, , it, we do need
to see the value of our black culture.
525
00:27:58,332 --> 00:28:02,902
And it's not being widely said in for you.
526
00:28:02,942 --> 00:28:03,577
I know.
527
00:28:03,927 --> 00:28:07,077
Anybody they're going to get offended
when they want to get offended.
528
00:28:07,077 --> 00:28:09,057
They're going to find something
and get offended about
529
00:28:09,507 --> 00:28:11,367
regardless of how you say it.
530
00:28:11,367 --> 00:28:13,747
Some people like, oh, it's how
you say it is what you know.
531
00:28:13,767 --> 00:28:14,917
It does not even matter.
532
00:28:15,377 --> 00:28:16,827
Um, I've seen that before.
533
00:28:16,827 --> 00:28:20,997
So, you know, that uses the most.
534
00:28:21,882 --> 00:28:29,172
You know, unordinary people to do
miraculous things and you really
535
00:28:29,172 --> 00:28:35,532
hit on a good point where a lot of
us have an identity issue where we
536
00:28:35,532 --> 00:28:37,442
don't think that we are of value.
537
00:28:37,452 --> 00:28:40,842
We see ourselves that way and.
538
00:28:41,197 --> 00:28:45,497
That's what I see being played
out with the young people,
539
00:28:45,497 --> 00:28:47,107
with young women, young men.
540
00:28:47,347 --> 00:28:51,437
They're thinking that all they
can aspire to be is to be a drug
541
00:28:51,437 --> 00:28:55,477
dealer, a basketball player, you
know, some form of entertainer.
542
00:28:55,507 --> 00:28:56,107
That's it.
543
00:28:56,117 --> 00:29:01,577
They don't look at us being
in the sciences and, um, just.
544
00:29:02,487 --> 00:29:06,227
Being good at math or anything like that.
545
00:29:06,237 --> 00:29:10,507
We, we have our, I would say
generalizations that we all have
546
00:29:10,507 --> 00:29:14,117
our prejudices and how we view
particular cultures and stuff.
547
00:29:14,457 --> 00:29:20,007
So, again, we do need to see ourselves
positive in this and you're right.
548
00:29:20,107 --> 00:29:26,647
The spirituality is huge that
we can capitalize on if we get.
549
00:29:27,472 --> 00:29:32,762
The right information, so I think I think
it's a huge emotional boost, you know, if.
550
00:29:33,542 --> 00:29:34,982
You have to start somewhere.
551
00:29:35,012 --> 00:29:37,932
So somebody can, you know, when you
walk out your door in the morning,
552
00:29:37,942 --> 00:29:40,922
you're on your way to a job interview,
you're on your way to school, you
553
00:29:40,922 --> 00:29:44,302
know, you have to kind of think like,
why, you know, why am I important?
554
00:29:44,362 --> 00:29:47,712
You can tell by the way a lot of people
walk, you know, are your shoulders up?
555
00:29:47,722 --> 00:29:48,482
Are you looking up?
556
00:29:48,492 --> 00:29:49,772
Can you look someone in the eye?
557
00:29:50,472 --> 00:29:53,182
And that comes, you know, if you
just left your house and your mom
558
00:29:53,182 --> 00:29:56,132
and your dad are awesome and they
both live with you and they're
559
00:29:56,132 --> 00:29:57,422
telling you, you know, we love you.
560
00:29:57,662 --> 00:29:58,392
You're important.
561
00:29:58,412 --> 00:29:59,262
You're valuable.
562
00:30:00,617 --> 00:30:04,857
Microphone (2- AT2005USB): That
was part one of Black Privilege.
563
00:30:05,366 --> 00:30:07,416
With Pastor Niefeld.
564
00:30:08,341 --> 00:30:12,781
This is some good conversation to
listen to again, hold your judgment
565
00:30:12,791 --> 00:30:17,131
to the end and see just what you
think after you hear the second part.
566
00:30:17,571 --> 00:30:19,231
Remember tune in next week for that.
567
00:30:19,541 --> 00:30:21,441
Thank you for listening and God bless.
