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How to Choose What Kind of Problem You Want
Episode 25711th February 2025 • You Are Not A Frog • Dr Rachel Morris
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How to make the right decisions in the short-term so you don’t create problems in the long-term… featuring Brian the robot hoover.

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I'm recording this podcast on the 5th of February and I thought I

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would share with you something that has been going on for me in January.

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Now this podcast is not about alcohol, however, I have been doing something

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called the alcohol experiment.

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So from new year I decided to do dry January but I didn't want to spend

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the whole of January just clenching my fists until I could have another

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glass of wine or a gin and tonic.

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And everything I know about behavior changes, when you stop doing something

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and tell yourself you can't have it, that's when you really want it.

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And even though I don't feel I'm addicted to alcohol at all, I

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still feel that I have a slightly unhealthy relationship with it.

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So this podcast is not about me trying to tell everyone to give up alcohol

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at all, but it is about something I found out and I reflected on whilst

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I was doing the alcohol experiment.

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takes to have a cup of tea so you can return to whatever else you're

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up to feeling energized and inspired.

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So the alcohol experiment has been set up by Annie Grace.

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And she is the lady who wrote the Naked Mind book.

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It's a totally brilliant book which just helps you examine your

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beliefs and thoughts around alcohol.

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And I've done an episode on alcohol with Giles Croft in the

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past so do have a listen to that.

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And the difference between the Alcohol Experiment and Dry January is they

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start to examine every single belief and every single thought you have.

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And so every day you get a little sort of podcast type video all around

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a different belief around alcohol.

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And one of the things she was talking about was cravings.

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And I found that when I have been going out for dinner, the time when I

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would really like to have an alcoholic drink is when I've just arrived.

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And Annie Grace was saying in one of these lessons that she found

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that the cravings around that time were really hard as well.

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And when we talk about cravings, we're not talking about

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absolute desperation to drink.

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It's just this sort of, Oh, it would be a lot easier if I

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could just have a drink now.

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You're often a bit hungry, your blood sugar's often a bit low, and

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you're just thinking, Oh, you know, I could just give in and have it.

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But she talks about when you have these cravings, you need to start to

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think to yourself rather than focusing on the, I wish I could have a drink.

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I wonder if I'm going to have any fun, it's going to be difficult to relax.

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Yeah.

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Those are problems that you might have for a few minutes.

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But what kind of problems would you rather have?

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Would you rather have a, a few sort of cravings and a few uncomfortable

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moments as the room sort of warms up and people get to be a bit more sociable,

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would you rather not sleep very well?

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Or when she was drinking, as soon as she had a drink, she'd lose

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her inhibitions, she'd say things she'd regret, and in the morning

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she'd feel absolutely terrible.

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And so this question, what kind of problems do you want to have?

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She was applying to alcohol and that initial, oh, I wonder if I

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should have a drink or not because I'm feeling a bit awkward here.

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She says, do you want the awkwardness of that moment and that slight craving

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that you can get over, or do you want the crushing regret the next

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day when you've had too many, you haven't slept well, you've ruined

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the whole weekend and you're really, really regretting what you said?

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What kind of problem do you want?

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And that got me thinking about some other situations I'd been in recently.

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One of them was a training session for a safer working

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program for a training hub.

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And I'd presented some stuff around how to say no, set

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boundaries and deal with pushback.

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And there were some practices that were talking about some of

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the changes that they had made.

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And somebody in the group spoke up and they were really concerned because when

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they had tried to limit the amount of appointments they gave out, what had

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happened was that the wait for routine appointments had got even longer.

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And this person was saying, so we just can't limit things.

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This isn't going to work for us because patients will have to wait.

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We don't like telling them that.

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We get loads of complaints.

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And even though there'd been lots of different ways of working

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presented in different things that they could try, the answer was,

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no, that will be too difficult.

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People aren't going to like it.

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It's going to be really awkward.

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And of course, we don't want to inconvenience other people, we don't

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want to give people a bad service.

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But I remember thinking to myself, well, that's interesting because this

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person thinks that they're choosing to avoid these problems at all.

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As I was running this training, I just thought back to that alcohol

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experiment talk that I'd heard in the morning about what kind

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of problems you want to choose?

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Because this person, by trying to avoid the problem of patients waiting

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too long, was inadvertently choosing a whole different type of problem.

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And what was that sort of problem they were choosing?

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Staff burning out.

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Staff leaving their practice.

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People not being able to continue.

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The practice potentially having to close down because things were so precarious.

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So by avoiding that short term hurt, the difficulty of patients complaining,

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it being a bit inconvenient for people, people moaning and groaning

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and not really wanting to change, by avoiding that problem, you've got

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an even worse problem down the line.

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So often we do that, don't we?

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We think we're avoiding the problem, but actually we're creating a

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much worse one for ourselves.

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Now since the new year, as well as doing the alcohol experiment, I've

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also taken up watching Slow Horses on Apple TV, which is totally brilliant

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adaptation of the books by Mick Herron, and if you haven't read the books,

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I'd really recommend the books, read them first and then watch the series.

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In this spy thriller, there's a lot of times where they're on an undercover op

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and someone comes up behind them, pulls a gun on them and forces them to get

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into a car or get into the boot of the car and get driven off to some house.

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And then when they get driven off to this house what happens?

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Well, they're completely trapped, they get locked in, they get tied

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up, there's nothing they can do.

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And I remember talking to some self defense expert telling me that the best

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time to struggle is right at the point where someone's trying to grab you.

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Because yeah, the consequences might be that you get injured, yeah, shot or

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stabbed, but you know what, once you've got in the boot of that car, you've

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been transported to that safe house and you're tied up, you've got no chance.

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And that's a bit like these problems.

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We think that addressing things head on is going to be really awful.

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We're often fearful of the immediate consequences.

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What if I get a complaint?

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What if things go wrong?

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What if other people are inconvenienced?

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What if they don't like me?

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What if they think I'm dumping on my colleagues?

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What if that conversation I've got to have is really awkward?

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What if I upset somebody?

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And we don't realise that if we fail to do it, all we've done is we've delayed

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the problem and the problem's going to be different and it's going to be worse.

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It's going to be a different kind of problem.

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Because suddenly you're not just dealing with a bit of a fight

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you're dealing with being locked up, being in a room with cable

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ties around your wrist, blindfolded and not being able to do anything.

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You know, the benefits of getting in that car with the gun to

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your head is you avoid a fight.

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You avoid potential hurt right then, but the risks are things are

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much, much worse in the longterm.

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And we are constantly ignoring these longterm risks.

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We're constantly not facing up to the fact that these longterm harm

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that is caused by us not choosing what sort of problem we want,

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well that is the real issue, not the thing that's in front of us.

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So most of us would choose to avoid that awkward conversation

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for fear of damaging the relationship or upsetting somebody.

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Most of us would choose to, to go along with what other people

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want because to say no to them feels a bit confrontational.

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We risk upsetting them.

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We risk a complaint.

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Most of us would choose to try and grab any career opportunity we can,

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even if we're overloaded because we think down the line we might not get

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that again and we're fear of missing out is, is stronger than actually the

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joy of having some time and space.

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Most of us would choose for ourselves to be inconvenienced, for us to

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be put out, for us to miss doing that thing for our wellbeing, to

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disappoint ourselves rather than let somebody else down, or disappoint

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them, or not give them exactly what they want or what they need.

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We might even choose comfort for our children.

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To give them everything they want, to pay for everything that

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they need, so that they don't experience a feeling of discomfort.

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You know, perhaps if you've got a child who's at university going

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overdrawn and it feels horrible, you don't want to let that happen, or

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you don't want to let them have to worry about money, but you know what?

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Long term, what are the consequences going to be?

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That person will never learn how to budget.

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That difficult behaviour is going to carry on.

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Those patients will keep demanding more and more, knowing that

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there aren't any boundaries.

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Everyone else's morale in your practice or department will

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go down because somebody's behaviour has been left unchecked.

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And eventually our health suffers.

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We get bad relationships anyway, that's what we were trying to

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avoid by avoiding the issue.

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We get burnt out.

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Our staff leave.

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We get resentment and we get frustration.

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I don't know about you, but when I've caved in and said yes to somebody

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when I didn't really want to do something, it's been much, much

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worse for our relationship in the long term because of the frustration

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and resentment that I've got.

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And me not being the greatest shrinking Violet, I often feel the need to tell

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them, particularly if it's close family.

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I'll give in to do it and then I'll moan about it.

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And then my children will say to me, Mum, if you didn't want

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to do it, just don't do it.

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But don't say you'll do it and then moan about it afterwards.

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We might be trying to avoid a GMC referral.

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So we give in to everything our patients want, but along the line when we're

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burnt out and we can't think straight.

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Well.

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We may well be up against the GMC anyway when our judgment lapses.

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And we might want to keep the peace amongst our colleagues.

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And so we avoid that problem of difficult conversation in a meeting.

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But in the long run, what happens?

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Well, people stop talking to each other.

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Everybody stops communicating.

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It becomes a really horrible place to work.

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So how do we choose what kind of problems we want to have?

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Well firstly, we need to face reality.

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We need to really think to ourselves, when we're facing an issue which we'd

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rather avoid, or when the emotions become a bit difficult, when we start

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to feel guilty so we just cave in and do what somebody else wants us

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to do, or we avoid setting boundaries or saying no, we think about, am

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I really avoiding a problem here?

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Am I really avoiding difficult consequences?

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Because here's the thing, our actions are inside our control,

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inside our zone of power.

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The consequences are often outside our control.

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And I think I'd rather control my actions, like what I say to

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somebody, how I raise a difficult issue, than I deal with the unknown

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consequences outside my control of leaving that issue to fester.

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So there's a couple of realities we have to face up to.

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Number one is, what is in our control?

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Yeah, there are some things that just aren't in our control at

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all, we can't do anything about.

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But so many of us magnify the problem in front of us and

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diminish the problem down the road.

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My colleague, Sarah, says we always overestimate the immediate

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consequences, the difficulty of having that difficult conversation

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now, and we always underestimate the consequences of not having

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that conversation in the long run.

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So we overestimate the immediate stuff and underestimate the long term stuff.

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We need to face reality and rebalance that a little bit.

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Think, actually, what's the worst case scenario?

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What might actually happen?

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What's the best case scenario?

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That it's just gonna go away?

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Is that really true?

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Is that actually gonna happen?

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If we ignore this, is it really gonna go away?

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Nine times out of ten, no, it's not.

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So number one, face reality.

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And you might want to use the zone of power to do that.

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And we'll put a link to that in the notes.

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Secondly, make sure you're not in the corner when you're

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thinking about your options.

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Because when we're considering what kind of problem we want to address, what kind

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of problem we want, and we're in our stress zones, when we're in our threat

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zones, we're not thinking straight.

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All the blood is quite literally directed from our prefrontal cortex to

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our big muscles so that we can run away and fight or fly or freeze or fawn.

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Sometimes all we want to do is just make things better, particularly when we're

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stuck in the corner in that adrenalized zone when our inner chimp is out.

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It's a very bad time to decide what kind of problem you want.

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Wait until you're feeling calm.

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Wait until you're in your parasympathetic zone where you

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can listen to your wise self and your intuition to think, what

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is the right thing to do here?

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What is the best thing to do here?

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If I was giving advice to someone else in the same situation,

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what advice would I give?

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So dealing with this like the outside of the moment is really, really important.

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That's why in the Alcohol Experiment, they're saying, decide before

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you go, decide before you go what problems you want to have.

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Once you've made that decision, that becomes a non negotiable.

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And finally, when you're looking at these different problems, just check

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the story that you're telling yourself.

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Where am I overestimating the impact of this?

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Where am I telling myself you'll be a really bad person if you

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upset that person or leave them waiting or say you can't do it?

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Is that actually true?

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And actually, if they did think badly of you, so what?

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What does it actually matter?

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Start to question some of those deeply internalised thoughts

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and beliefs that we've got.

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And then you can think to yourself, in my gut, what is it that I know?

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If I'm honest with myself, what is it about this that I'm just trying

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to avoid some short term hurt?

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If I'm really honest with myself, where am I just lacking courage to really

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address what needs to be addressed?

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Now there are of course mistakes that we can make in all of this.

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Firstly is just not picking our battles properly.

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Not everything needs to be addressed.

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Some stuff we can just let go.

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Not every behaviour needs to be challenged, alright?

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So some people we know are really prickly, they call everyone out on

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everything and that can just be a little bit wary and doesn't particularly help

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the psychological safety it has to be said because you're constantly second

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guessing if you've offended them.

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So don't be that person who calls everyone out on everything.

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Just give people some grace and some leeway.

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But secondly, don't be that wet doormat that's constantly giving people

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leeway because it doesn't matter.

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Because some things really, really do matter.

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In fact, I was speaking to someone just now and she's a very senior

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leader in healthcare and she said that recently she'd said no to her manager.

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And she'd really dreaded doing it, but her manager stopped

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and he congratulated her.

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He said, well done.

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He said, I've never ever heard you say no before.

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Well done, I congratulate you, she wasn't expecting that.

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We overestimate the consequences of doing it, so start to say

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no and practice saying no.

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Say no to little things like, do you want a cup of tea?

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No thank you.

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Or, would you like to come to this thing?

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No thank you, rather than fudging it, or I might, or let me check, or whatever.

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If you want to say no, say no and practice it.

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And the final mistake we make, and I think a lot of us in healthcare

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make this mistake is thinking people are going to thank you for it.

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Last year, I bought myself a robot hoover.

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I was getting sick of piles of crumbs in my kitchen because for some reason

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my family sweep up crumbs and then just leave them in a pile next to the broom.

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That really annoys me because it's saying either you should

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do it, or maybe we just leave it for somebody else to do.

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It's so selfish.

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I'm like, if you're going to sweep the crumbs up, then put them in the dustpan

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and brush and put them in the bin.

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But they're constantly just piles all over the kitchen.

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Now, I had given some very robust feedback about these

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crumbs several times, but nobody was taking any notice of me.

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So I did a zone of power, thought what is in my control about this?

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I consulted with some friends who told me they had bought a robot

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hoover and it had changed their life.

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So the next day I purchased Brian, my robot hoover, and I love Brian.

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He's the only thing in my house that does what I ask them to

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do and doesn't answer back.

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Anyway, Brian lives in my cupboard and the other day, Brian had

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been out sweeping the hallway, sweeping the kitchen floor, and

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um, he makes quite a lot of noise.

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And suddenly I realised that Brian wasn't making any noise anymore.

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So I went and looked for Brian because he wasn't back at his base.

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He's quite a clever little thing.

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He'll pootle around the kitchen, he'll sweep up.

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But when he's full or out of battery, he'll go back to his base

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and they'll suck all the dust out of him and he'll recharge himself.

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But it wasn't his base he wasn't pootling around and eventually

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I found him underneath a stool.

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And he was just sat there and I thought Brian what are you doing

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there and this electronic voice came out saying robot is out of

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charge please recharge the robot.

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Now I love Brian and I'm very grateful to him for what he does for me.

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But did I say to him, Oh, Brian, you poor thing, you're out of charge.

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Let me take you back.

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No, I was like, Brian, why have you gone out of charge?

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That was ridiculous.

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What's the point of you if you're just going to stop and not do your job?

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You know you need to charge, so I picked him up, put him

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back on his base and made him charge before he went out again.

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Brian had malfunctioned.

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Now we have sort of the opposite mindset, don't we?

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Oh, you've been so helpful, you've been working so hard that you've

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not been looking after yourself.

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Well, what a saint you are, you're always doing stuff for other people.

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We know that if you make mistakes when you're burnt out, you're not

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going to be given any leniency.

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There's been some very high profile cases of doctors who didn't have

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enough support, who'd been working too long, where something had

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happened and nobody said to them, Oh, well, you know, well done.

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You're such a hero because you kept going and we'll let you

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off that big mistake you made.

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No, that doesn't happen.

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People do not thank you for the bigger problems because you've

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been a saint and put up with stuff.

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No one's going to say, Oh, you've lost all your doctors because

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you've been working so hard.

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You're so amazing.

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No, they'll say to you, what were you doing?

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Why wasn't that managed properly?

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Why didn't you address this much, much, much earlier when

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it was a much smaller problem?

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And if you say, well, I didn't want things to be awkward.

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I wanted to do stuff for the patients.

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I wanted to make sure no one was disappointed, well the

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response might be, there's a lot more people disappointed now.

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Nobody gets any prizes for carrying on, not setting boundaries.

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Nobody gets any prizes for being selfless when long

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term the shit hits the fan.

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They just don't.

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People won't be turning around and thanking you and saying, well thank you

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so much for sacrificing your health, for sacrificing your relationships.

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They won't.

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They'll be blaming you long term, which is far worse than them blaming

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you short term for upsetting them or it being inconvenient, really.

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And I can't emphasize this enough.

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This is why self care is not selfish.

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This is why we say put on your own oxygen mask first.

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It's not because people really like you, it's because they need you performing.

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They need the health service working.

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They need things to be okay.

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And if you're not putting boundaries in, and you're not saying no to

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people, and you're just keeping on going because it's so awkward

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there, you don't want to disappoint people, you will end up disappointing

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people far more in the long run.

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That's why, um, one of my favourite podcasters, Glennon Doyle, says, if

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you have the choice about disappointing yourself or disappointing other people,

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disappoint other people every time.

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Because if you disappoint yourself, you're guaranteed to

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disappoint other people long term.

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And this all stems from not choosing what kind of problem we want.

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So often we choose that, I'd rather have the long term problems then,

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then actually deal with this short term discomfort I feel, which comes

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from perfectionism, people pleasing, and fear of the future predicting

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what might happen if I address this right here and right now.

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Now, that got quite heavy, but I do want to summarise by saying, number one,

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robot hoovers are fricking brilliant.

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Number two, in this life, we will have suffering.

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There are always problems, there are always issues, but what

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is in your control is which issues you want to choose.

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And lastly, I want to say that these sorts of things, they

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are a little bit like a muscle.

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Because when we're avoiding stuff, what happens is our brain says, Oh,

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well done, you avoided that, therefore, that was the right thing to do.

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And you get this sort of feedback loop that avoiding it, not addressing

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it, that was the right thing to do.

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But once you've started to address things, once you've started to

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set boundaries, you've started to say no, you've started to have

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difficult conversations, you get this other feedback loop where

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your brain goes, Oh, actually, that wasn't as bad as I thought.

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Maybe next time.

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I can do it a bit better.

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Next time, I won't be so upset or worried about it.

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It's a skill, it takes practice, and it gets easier.

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In fact, I heard about someone who dreaded asking for what they needed so

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much they spent a year asking for things that they knew people would say no to.

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I mean, it was ridiculous.

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He went around asking if he could sunbathe in people's gardens.

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He went to Burger King, and not only did he ask for a refill of

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his Coke, he asked for a refill of his burger, and you know what?

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Half the time, people actually gave him stuff.

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That he never thought would happen.

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So why don't you try some little experiments this week?

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Work out what kind of problems you want to have, start setting boundaries,

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start saying no, start paying attention to the smaller problems, to

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those smaller problems of hurt that you can address right now and stop

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them coming along the line later.

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