Join Elements of Community host Lucas Root and Jill Fischer as she takes us on an inspiring journey of healing and transformation. The founder and president of the College of Holistic Healing, brings her expertise in energy psychology and clinical hypnotherapy to the table.

Learn how healing is not just a personal endeavor but a collective one, as they delve into the profound effects of healing on a global scale. Whether you're seeking to heal yourself or contribute to the healing of others, this episode will provide you with valuable insights and practical steps to embrace the path of healing and transformation.

Don't miss out on this enlightening conversation as they discuss the significance of healing in our lives and how it can create a ripple effect of positive change. 

Ready to unlock your healing potential? Tune in and embark on a transformative journey toward a life of joy, love, and abundance. Remember, the healing of the world begins with the healing of ourselves. Let's make a difference together!

It was amazing meeting you. You're every bit as delightful in person, actually more so than the relationship we've been able to build online.

We first connected through Credibility Nation and just through, you know, the myriad of different ways that we are connected, different kinds of people, different circles that we run in you and I just keep bumping into each other and I'm delighted by it.

Jill Fischer: It's a universal orchestration of bumping into you.

Lucas Root: That's great. Would you like to tell the audience a bit about yourself?

With the college training, training people into owning their gifts as a healer and then bridging that into everyday life so that more and more people can access it so that they can have, you know, the life of joy and love and abundance and what they're looking for.

Lucas Root: I mean, doesn't everybody want that?

Jill Fischer: I think if you are healthy that's what everybody wants.

Lucas Root: Yeah.

Jill Fischer: Absolutely.

For those of you who don't know, if you get exposed to a virus that is transmitted via the air. So, an aerosolized virus or an aerosolized bug I am not a practitioner of any sort of healing arts other than, you know, direct connected. So when I say this, it's not somebody who's a medical practitioner giving you advice, but if you take colloidal silver and stick it up your nose, it helps to kill off the bugs that you've sort of been collecting in there.

And I use colloidal silver for that reason a lot.

Jill Fischer: Yeah, I do too. This is the colloidal silver I make. Look, it matches my top. Yay! And this is one of the bottles I like because you can spray it right to the back of your throat. I spray my face every day. I spray my eyes every day. It's as safe as, you know, like newborn babies have been given silver in their eyes as soon as they're born.

So yeah, that's something I've made for about. Well, since I've worked as a healer for about 15 years and recently got Health Canada approval that it's antiviral and antibacterial. And so for your American viewers, that's FDA equivalent in Canada. I'm up here in Vancouver. So it's a big deal and it's really hard to get when I tell people in the industry they're like, how did you get that?

And I'm like, yeah magic

Lucas Root: Kind of, right?

If you're not familiar with colloidal silver, it's the original antibiotic before the pharmaceutical industry came in and if it could be patented, the pharmaceutical industry would be all over it, but it can't because it's a mineral silver, it's a natural occurring mineral that we need, and so you can't patent it per se, so it's it's not promoted by the pharmaceutical industry and it actually threatens them because in some cases it can be more effective than the the prescriptions that you might be given.

Lucas Root: Yep.

Jill Fischer: I know I'm not allowed to make claims and so that was just a suggestion.

You'll be able to find YouTube videos on it and consistently every single time when you speak the word hate into a glass. And then feed it to a plant and then speak the word love into a different glass and feed that to a plant and grow them side by side. The love plant outgrows the hate plant every single time.

Maybe not every time, but it's consistent and reproducible. And so I would like all of you who heard that and are listening still and didn't turn this off because it's just too woo just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Jill Fischer: Good point. Yeah, there's a lot of things I don't understand. I don't understand exactly how my computer works. And I love to use my computer.

Lucas Root: And it works most of the time.

Jill Fischer: Most of the time. Yes.

Jill Fischer: Agreed. Agreed. I am a big fan. Yeah and I mean, if you do want to do the research, there are countless studies that you can dig into of scientific studies, proving the efficacy, it's I'm a fan of proofs in the pudding. If it works, do it, right? As long as it's not violating your value system or your integrity and something's benefiting you then yeah, repeat it and keep using it.

And the colloidal silver, I don't understand all of why it works so well and it heals what it heals. I've been recommending it and a client of mine was diagnosed with forced fourth stage cancer in her bones and breast cancer. And that was a year ago, August. So what's that we're in November now.

She just, and the doctors are like, I don't know what to do with you. Cause she's healthier than her 33 year old daughter, right? It's like, wow, this is awesome. And she does many things. I'm not clouding that it's only the colloidal silver, but.

Lucas Root: For the energy healing or both.

Jill Fischer: Yeah. And the looking at.

Lucas Root: Now people will hear this and they'll say, how do I know it's not placebo effect? And you may have your own way of talking to this, but from my perspective the first statement that I'm going to have to that is, who cares if it's placebo effect or not? Because if it works, do more of it.

Jill Fischer: I totally agree.

Lucas Root: Do more.

Jill Fischer: Yeah, and if you look at how powerful your mind is, your body follows what your mind thinks about. So if your mind is thinking, Oh, this is going to heal me, then your body clicks into place and heals itself.

If your mind thinks, Oh, this diagnosis from the doctor says I'm going to die in. You know, a few months, your body clicks into following that. So, you know, so much of life is placebo. Why not use it to your advantage?

Lucas Root: Exactly. Who cares? Sign me up. If I can get consistent placebo effect in my life. I want it.

Jill Fischer: Totally. Totally. Yes. Agreed. Handshake.

You should stack rank them by what's easiest and what's least harmful. So, if we presume that this is placebo effect, now my question is, how easy is it and how harmful is it? And colloidal silver in water is very easy and not very harmful. So give me all of that. And then third, there is studies that say that it's more than just placebo effect.

Lucas Root: And then the third thing that I didn't hear you go deep into in your self introduction was your energy healing work. You want to talk about that for a little?

My daughter wouldn't use half of her bedroom, which was really weird and I couldn't sleep.

Lucas Root: And it's really weird.

Jill Fischer: I know. She refused to use, she had this big bedroom and she refused to use like the half of it next to her closet and I couldn't sleep. And I've never had a sleeping problem in my life and I could not sleep.

And we moved into this house in January and it's November now, 11 months of not sleeping. I'm a mess. And I've hired so many different healers to help me and naturopath doctors and like went through the gamut and nothing's shifting this. And then I woke up one morning and I remembered my colleague, friend, Lynn Morrell.

Tell me more about what you did.

Lucas Root: Amazing.

Jill Fischer: So she started teaching me energy healing and clearing energy. So feeling into, so energy healing, you might not know what that means. I didn't, if you think of walking into a room and you get kind of the vibe of the room, even though you've not said anything, right? You can feel the energy.

Right? They'll hunch over and curl in their shoulders. Someone confident would be wide open and expressing you know, that they're fully there and aware. So when we're contracting, there's like a resistance or a pull back from life. And it happens at the atomic level, at the subatomic level.

And when your cells are restored to its natural state, they have that innate intelligence for how to heal. And so they just, your body naturally heals itself. That's it in a nutshell. Cole's Notes version.

Lucas Root: I love it.

Jill Fischer: Yeah. So I learned to interweave that into the hypnotherapy work that I do and the healing modalities that I do so that through different techniques, finding where the distorted energy is, and then also teaching the people I work with so that they can do it themselves. So they have a life skill, like, if you think of, you know, washing your hands, right? Of we wash our hands throughout the day because.

And again, back to proofs in the pudding.

Lucas Root: For now.

If you think of chiropractic work, maybe 20 years ago. That's what I think of with energy healing is that, yeah, I think we're getting there. We're getting there. People are becoming more open to I don't need to understand. I just want to feel better. And the whole mental health, you know, crisis of COVID and the awareness of how important community is that you specialize in, how important you know, our brain health is for the quality of our life. That really, I think, dismantled a lot of taboo or barriers to going and asking for help.

Lucas Root: Amazing. And yes.

Jill Fischer: Yeah,

Lucas Root: Do you have a story about a hug you want to tell?

It's like movement meditation. And then we followed it with Lucas's training with these amazing hugs and I called them human heart hugs and they.

Lucas Root: The l listener is sitting here saying, but I already know how to hug.

Jill Fischer: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We do. And there was some retraining to do about that for me. The hugs that I have been, that I experience mostly with my family of origin. Right? It's like tap on the back. Like quick embrace tap. Kind of patronizing actually, like.

Lucas Root: Yeah, right?

Jill Fischer: Yeah. Yeah.

Normally we hug on the other side and not sexual, but like actually standing close together, full body together. And creating that stillness together, I would call it.

Yeah. And so what happened for me I could even brought tears to my eyes, right? Like it was just like, I could really feel connected to the other person. And I had no idea that my, while I was down there, my father died and I flew home and I brought those hugs to my family. Whew, I feel emotion just speaking about that.

Lucas Root: Yeah.

Jill Fischer: Yeah. So that was profound for me that, so thank you, Lucas, in gifting us that training and it infiltrated into my whole family, my extended family too. Because we had like family reunion. Yeah, and I was good wearing the badge of being the hugger. I was good with that.

Lucas Root: I'am for that. All day.

Jill Fischer: All day long. Yeah. All day long. And I know there's studies too on that. If you were to bring it back to the, you know, the data collection perspective of validating this stuff, there's all kinds of scientific studies on. You know, the connection of touch and hugging and the entrainment of syncing together, you know, your heartbeat, your breath, your brainwave patterns.

Lucas Root: Yeah. I agree. We need a daily ritual of that. I read a study recently and it's data that I've seen many times before, but this recent one just, you know, is current in my mind. And it said that we need 11 hugs a day that are eight seconds or longer.

Jill Fischer: Really? I'm going to write that down. 11 seconds.

Lucas Root: 8 seconds or longer.

Jill Fischer: 8 seconds. Okay. And 11 hugs. Wow. Well, I need to up my game on that then.

Lucas Root: So do I.

Jill Fischer: It malnutritioned on hugs.

Lucas Root: Seems like I'm the same, I'm not getting enough hug nutrition.

Jill Fischer: Yeah. Hug nutrition. Oh, I like that.

Jill Fischer: Great term. Beautiful. We coined a new term.

Lucas Root: It seems like we have. It's the physical manifestation of community.

Jill Fischer: Yes. Muni chi. Yeah. The energy of community. Yes, hug nutrition. Staple word.

Lucas Root: I love it. That's so cool that you were able to give that gift to your family. I would love to see, I would love to have somebody I've never met come up to me and give the hug that I train people on giving. That would be a really good day for me. And certainly I'm not the first person to give those trainings but also that hug has never been given to me before, at least not by somebody who hasn't been trained.

Lucas Root: Yeah, let's shift gears as I could spend all day talking about hugs and fact have I'd like to talk about the community of your college.

So there's a student body of, you know, it's almost like babies popping, right? Like they're just, that sounds like a zit. Not that. They're wide eyed, they're eager, they're in the discovery of their gifts and talents in a way that is super fulfilling and heartfelt and it's precious. It's really.

Like sacred space to hold classes and programs and a system for them to become healers in the world. So there's that community that, you know, I hold with honor and precious is the word that comes that my guidance in this is to give them everything they need so that they're successful healers in the world.

She's the faculty lead for the transformational coaching school in the college and. You know, she said to me which I'm sure it's fine to pass on cause it's so lovely. She said to me that I see this as a legacy, you know, to leave my life's work. She's trained from Stanford, right? And Berkeley and like super like, wow.

So I have connections with people and I've developed friendships with them. And now I get to play with them in a way where we can not only pass on our knowledge and gifts and experience. Like, you know, passing the torch so that other people can grab that and move and evolve further forward, but also you know, hang out together and create together and do events together and collaborate.

For the clarity for new healers to be able to move forward and. In a way that people can understand that's part of the barrier of google nest. People doesn't understand this stuff and so they just punch it away. And his brilliance bringing him into as faculty to create clarity so that people can receive and access this kind of healing more easily and the graduate students that become alumni can also have that clarity with how they market what they're doing.

He also does the therapeutic hypnotherapy as well. But stage hypnosis is a different skillset. And to have him come in and offer some specialty courses as the alumni fine tune and own their pathway in their healing and having this foster each other so that there's a cross pollination is that word that comes up again, right?

Lucas Root: That's amazing. Okay. I love how you broke that down into basically three co orbiting communities. There's the community of the students. One of the reasons I love that is because I think that most people don't spend time thinking about how the overall umbrella of a thing that they're involved in breaks down into actual communities that are creating the capacity for that, that, that thing to move forward.

One of my favorite reasons for talking about it that way is because most people think. About the sort of traditional corporation which again has distinct communities but when you think about it from a small business perspective, there's the staff and then there's the customer there's these two interlocked groups who could be communities that create the success of that business.

It's, I love how you did that.

Jill Fischer: Awesome! I get a gold star!

Lucas Root: You get You get a gold star.

Jill Fischer: For back to the education system, I get a gold star! Yay! Yeah, for me collaboration, it's like breathing air, right? Of the contribution, not competition. The competition is old school, no pun intended, but it's old school and the collaboration of,

Lucas Root: The older, the fiercer,

Jill Fischer: Again, I didn't catch.

Lucas Root: I said, the older, the fiercer

And it was a one man show for professional hypnotherapy and because I'm more of an alchemist and and love collaborating and people I've.

Lucas Root: As do I?

In fact, you know, like I don't do my own taxes. I hire an expert in taxes, right? And do I want spend time learning it and being updated every year or every six months when they have revisions? No. So I hired that out and I'm thinking, you know, I specialize in hypnotherapy and energy healing. I love this area and I'm excellent at it and there's other areas like marketing or business development or, you know, like there's some other areas that I'm not an expert in and that's okay.

And I know people that are, so why not invite them in and have this alchemy of experts. Like, how cool is that, right? And then the students are getting the best of the best, and I don't have to be jack of all trades, because that's not reasonable, or, I mean, I don't even desire to be anyways.

And sustainable in not even sustainable. It's a growth factor, right? Where they want to stay in the community because they're receiving, but they're also giving. And so there's this natural flow. Like I was talking about with the electrons, right? The natural flow is there. And so it feels good and it's healthy.

And then there's collaboration where a new invention happens and like it just keeps going. So identifying those communities.

Lucas Root: Elements of community.

Jill Fischer: Yeah. I, have been listening to you.

Jill Fischer: Yeah.

Lucas Root: Where what I provide is unique to me. And when people think all the time about individualism and strength of the individual and the unhealthy edge of that thought process is survival of the fittest, which, by the way, doesn't apply to humans.

We are a collaborative animal. But when we think about that, what we're thinking about really is building up the value that I provide. It's not me to the exclusion. It's rather the strength of the individual lifts up the community. And the more that each individual in the community can grow their own strength by strengthening their generality, but also by strengthening a specificity, by strengthening the skill that makes them excellent.

And building up the community through that strength. And then the value that I receive.

Lucas Root: As long as we share it, we have to share it.

Jill Fischer: Yeah. So the design of the college also has you know, continuing ed credits and different ways so that there's that give back, that when they're taking courses are given that back or when they're offering courses, you know, that it can connect with other communities and organizations and building the value of doing this work.

So that you can build the skyscraper, not that, no, I'd rather have a tree actually, so that, you know, that the roots are deep, so that tree is strong and can weather the storms and provide so much for humanity. Yeah, I like analogy. That's better.

Lucas Root: I'm a big fan of the oak tree.

Jill Fischer: That acorn is heart.

And naturally it has to be there in order for the college to succeed but the way that you've looked at it and the way that you've created it is powerful. And I love that on top of value, right? Which is one of the elements of community the bi directional value. What are the other elements that you have worked hard to make sure show up?

Jill Fischer: Comes to mind that you know, when I look at the students that are grabbing the reins and really going for it, students that are committed to owning their profession and being healers in the world, they're driven by heart.

They get that as we support each other, you know, it's that all ships rise with the tide rising. So, it's beyond conventional or status quo, academia, the quality of being heart driven. And I know this is used a lot too, with a lot of businesses and they may or may not be actually heart driven.

Lucas Root: Yeah.

It's different than being an engineer. It's different than being, you know, any profession that's more status quo. And your wellbeing is paramount to your success. And other professions that may not be the case, right? You can get through a day if you're feeling a little hung over or kind off or stressed.

It might be harder, but you can still get through the day. Whereas when you're a healer and you're out of sorts The skill set that's required to be an effective healer is that it's through you. So the integrity of healing you and being grounded and present and there for service of others there's no workaround, right?

It's led by heart. And if that's not there, it's not going to really work. And it might be that person's just not ready or not the right fit. But I would say that's a very key element for community, is that their heart is leading.

Jill Fischer: Purpose, if you think of purpose more like that book, "Purpose Driven Life", right? That became really popular a decade or two ago like an oxymoron to my ears. Of driving for purposes, it's more of a calling and a listening to and a leaning in and an answering

Lucas Root: Yeah.

Jill Fischer: Than a covered in goosebumps saying that it's, people are tuned in there's a natural listening for what's already there, right? Like that might sound cryptic, but the humanity is hurting. We can see that just, you know, turn on the news, boom. And healers are tuned into that pain of, and struggle that's already there.

And it's already there. It's not, you don't have to it's not figuring it out. It's uncovering. And then living your purpose is a natural expression of who you already are, and it's a natural expression of what the world, what humanity is calling you forward into, and it takes courage because this is not how we've been taught.

It's not how generations past have been taught. And so it takes courage to step into a new path that you might actually be creating, like, you might be creating these steps forward. Because you hear what is being wanted and the bridge that you're making has not been made before. That's where we're at right now.

And so. Saying that of creating pathways, creating bridges so that the new school way of living is true to our hearts and it's connected to what's being asked for. And what's being asked for are your long hugs, right? Like that's being asked for. People don't even know that they need it until they receive it. And that's heartfelt connection. We're not doing that to, you know, and in order to equation, we're doing that because it's human healing and wellbeing and it feels good and it's just lovely.

Yeah. Yeah. So discovering, I would say more of in the curiosity and the discovery of your purpose in being tuned into the, if you think of humanity, if every human being that the basic essence of every human being love, so then you're being tuned into love. And you get to even create what that is.

Lucas Root: That is so cool. Yeah. Let's create communities that create new things.

Jill Fischer: Yeah. Yeah. Like how cool is that? The whole mystery school of life, right? Let's create communities that create new things like inventors and alchemists and magicians and healers and people that move society forward, artists. Right? We're doing that all the time and actually having each other to support each other is going to create it stronger and bigger and more expansive and creating the validity to with the academia backing of it.

Lucas Root: Going right back to how we started. What if it's placebo?

Jill Fischer: Okay.

Lucas Root: It works, bring it. do I know that it's not just placebo? Who cares?

Jill Fischer: Yeah.

Lucas Root: If it works, I want it.

Jill Fischer: Yeah. I think we unknowingly have a lot of negative placebo going on inside us. So what if we shift that to positive, to the outcome we actually want and harness the power of placebo? Oh, there's a book title "Harness the Power of Placebo"

Lucas Root: Oh.

Jill Fischer: That's good.

Lucas Root: The bookstore near you by Jill Fischer.

Jill Fischer: I'll write that.

Lucas Root: At that point, it'll be Jill Fisher, Ph. D.

Lucas Root: Yeah, I love it. Harness the power of placebo.

Jill Fischer: Yeah, absolutely.

Lucas Root: If it's placebo? Gimme.

Jill Fischer: it on.

Lucas Root: Yep. Thank you, Jill. I like to wrap up my interviews with three questions.

Jill Fischer: Okay.

Lucas Root: First one is the easiest one, and the second two are a little bit of a curveball. First one is for everybody who has been delighted by the stories that you're sharing and wants to learn more about either you hypnotherapy or energy healing from you or the college.

What's the one best way for them to find you?

So C H dot online. And my website for hypnotherapy is my name dot CA because I'm in Canada. So Jill Fisher, F I S C H E R dot C A. So those are three avenues where you can connect with me. And we can go deeper and collaborate and create and invent and create purpose and all that fun stuff that we've just talked about.

Lucas Root: Tune into purpose. Yeah.

Jill Fischer: To purpose. Yeah.

Lucas Root: I love it. Second, this is where the curveballs start. It's a good thing you're sitting down.

Jill Fischer: Okay.

Lucas Root: If there was one question that you wish I had asked you, but I have not, what would it be?

Jill Fischer: That you had asked me this before we did it. Have you heard that one before? Probably.

Jill Fischer: Let's see.

Lucas Root: I didn't even, and I tell you what we're going to do, but I don't tell this little part.

Jill Fischer: Yep. I would say what comes to mind right now is like an origin story of what got me into this.

Lucas Root: Cool. Yeah, that would be fun, right? It wouldn't have fit in well into the way this conversation flowed, but that, I agree.

Jill Fischer: It's just like, it's like a foundational piece of, you know, what gives you a right to talk about this or, you know, to run the college or do hypnotherapy or, you know, it's that grounding piece that people can see themselves in that but yeah, that can steer the conversation differently for sure.

Lucas Root: Cool. I like it. That's a good one. And then finally, do you have any parting thoughts?

Jill Fischer: Do I have any parting thoughts? You know, my parting thought is that you're never stuck with anything.

Lucas Root: Yes.

And in that, to understand that everything actually is moving, therefore, everything can change. And when you think of you know, like the resignation or woefulness, like, woe is me, this is how life has to be, it's, that's a lie. It's not true everything can change, and and you working on you, like, seeing that there's something that you can do to alter the outcome of your life will change the world, and the integrity is to actually have it move through you.

And that's where we have domain over, right? Like we don't have domain over each other. That's unless they're your children, but we have domain over ourselves so, that understanding there's always something you can do. And the starting place is with you. There's my parting.

Lucas Root: I didn't know it was 300, 000. That basically means that if 20, 000 people, that's it. Just 20, 000 people are honest to God, true experts at healing themselves and sharing their self healing journey openly, energetically. That it'll affect the entire world.

Jill Fischer: Yep. The tipping point is getting easier and easier.

Lucas Root: At 20, 000, I mean, seven and a half billion is a number that's hard to wrap my arms around. 20, 000 is a number that we can wrap our arms around.

Lucas Root: Listen, there are some days where that is the best you can do, and that's okay.

Jill Fischer: And that's totally okay. That's totally okay.

Lucas Root: As long as there's chocolate there, too.

Jill Fischer: Good chocolate and there is things that we can do. That if you think of the world's a reflection of what's going on inside us. So by healing us, we are healing the world. And there are things that we can do directly to help others that will naturally happen as you're healing yourself. It's a natural expression of being human.

That's the premise of collaboration of community, right?

Jill Fischer: Absolutely.

Lucas Root: A healing journey that is solo is going to be slow.

Jill Fischer: It's going to be slow and more painful than it needs to be a healing journey with people that love you and support you and see the best in you will be quantum levels and fun. There'll be some things to move through for sure. And it's like having your best friend right there with you that loves you.

Lucas Root: If you can, why wouldn't you? I love that. What a great parting thought.

Jill Fischer: That is who we are. Awesome. Thank you, Lucas. Super fun. Really enjoyed this. And I anything that we can create and play together. I'm an all in.

Lucas Root: Yes. Me too. Thank you, Jill. Thank you.

Jill Fischer: Hug.

Lucas Root: Bye.

Jill Fischer: Long hug, big hug, heart hug.

Jill Fischer: Yeah.

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