Listen in to Part 2 of our Breaking IN series! This time, we talk about the casting process and why you should always give it a shot!

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Now, here are your anchors, Derrick Johnson II and Nicholas Killian.

Hey everyone, welcome to the Film Center.

I'm Derrick Johnson II.

I'm Nicholas Killian.

And what we're talking about today is.

Today, we are going to do part two of our last.

Yes.

Now, as you guys know, this is usually your number one place for

studio news, but it is not today.

Not today.

And not last time, either.

Which is why I did not have it in the intro.

I was like, yeah, that's not really studio news today.

Or a little studio news.

Maybe at the end if we have time.

Maybe we did, because me and Nicholas we just had an interesting experience.

But, this part two, we're Actually just having solely focusing on casting for

well for the most part about casting.

Yeah cast So if you guys missed our last one, it was pre production, right?

Go ahead.

Go check it out and Nicholas where would you say because nicholas has

more acting experience than I do?

Nicholas from the actor's perspective.

What is it usually like to?

Audition when you're like a known nobody because you've been there You've been

to the side where people don't know who you are You've been decided people who

do know you are and you've risen up the ranks a little bit before you started to

go to producing yeah, you've been in it.

You've been in a show before right as a main character and also good stuff.

So What is it like to audition when people don't really know who you are?

It's pretty terrible.

Yeah?

Yeah.

It's, people treat you like cattle.

Like a number.

Like nobody.

Do you have any suggestions for our audience out there for booking those

first few roles to get the ball started?

Or get the ball rolling, excuse me.

Use that to your advantage.

Ex, Hey, can you elaborate?

Okay.

So I'll give you an example, right?

So we do consulting for podcasting, right?

We help people, that is something we do launch their podcast.

We help people grow their podcasts, right?

Yes, we do.

The number one superpower that you have as a nothing, nobody podcast

is that nobody is listening.

That is, you about, so you use the same thing with acting, right?

Which is nobody is listening, right?

So you can be as terrible as you want to.

And then And get your skills up, and get your skills up.

Same thing as an actor.

Whenever you are nobody When you're first starting out.

When you're first starting out, it really doesn't matter that

you're terrible as an actor.

It doesn't mat All of that does not matter.

That is what should empower you.

You shouldn't be nervous.

You shouldn't Whatever it is you feel.

Because it doesn't matter.

And that's what should give you all the confidence in the world.

Because you're just starting out.

No one starts off perfect.

And the thing is what a lot of people, I think, The audition

starts when you wake up.

I don't get it.

What does that mean?

Okay, so So, and also, for everyone's clarification, I personally,

I did mostly theater acting.

I haven't really been in too many films.

He has more experience in television and movie acting than I do.

One of the things is I've done both, right?

But one of the things is in theater, is in film and TV

acting that lets us more, right?

But what I was saying is The audition, so you have a big audition, or you have one

audition, or you have multiple auditions that you gotta drive around town for.

Well, a lot of them are when we were doing stuff, you had

to drive around town for it.

You still might have to sometimes.

You could do EcoCast now, but the point Is that the audition starts

when you wake up, it starts as you're driving to the audition.

It starts in the parking lot.

It does not start when you're thinking about it, right?

When you walk through that door, right?

And the most important thing is that the audition is not finished.

The moment the audition is finished.

The audition is finished when you walk out of the building.

And, sometimes, a little bit after that, just in case they contact you

for callbacks and stuff like that.

One of the things you should also do, is One of the, it's You say

it's also like a numbers game, too?

Oh yeah, no, of course.

It's definitely a numbers game, but one of the things that you should

do is, First of all, understand, the casting director wants you to be

the person for the role, More than you want to be casted for the role.

So we're gonna flip now, a little bit, and then talk about what

it's like from our perspective.

People are casting as you guys know, we work on a lot of different

shows and stuff like that.

And we've currently done some casting just recently and, we've done a casting

a bunch of different times, but this time was I would say, more special, at least

it was to, to me personally, because we had a more physical casting sessions,

than we usually do, usually, it, it's just, usually just looking for that

person who clicks as that character, or someone who could just really nail it.

Nail the scene, excuse me and take direction.

But in this case for us specifically for this show, we're also having to

cast people who can fight, right?

And these are not like people in the background or in the, we

don't, and it's not oh, we'll just give them time to train.

No, you need to be just already be a fighter to do this job and give you

and this is like these are like the leads Right and then also be able

to take direction take direction looking for those triple threats.

Oh, I can take direction and I'm a great actor or actress and I

can fight and I also looked apart.

So I guess that's what quadruple.

So what were you saying then about this is true Go ahead and tell them what it's like

From the casting director's perspective.

This is the first time I have been majorly involved in the casting.

And As a producer, he just hires other people to do it.

I usually just hire other people.

But, it's absolutely game changing being on the other side.

Because, we realize, you've probably heard it before, but you realize even more now,

the casting director wants you to succeed.

Wants you to succeed.

It's not a single More than anybody else in the room, because not

only does it make them look like they know how to do their job.

And allows them to keep their job by finding the right person.

And allows them to keep their job and let people know that.

I'm actually competent at this job, because a lot of them aren't.

Yeah I always say this, if you get a callback, it means you're

doing something correctly.

I always equate it to like, there's a whole bunch of people who can audition

for stuff, and like, when you're Especially when it's like in, so those

of you who are applying on, who apply on Actors Access casting networks,

there's a couple other different ones backstage, or if you're being sent to us

from someone like CAA some of your, some representation is giving it to someone on

the production directly, which did happen.

And we've casted some people like that, where, an agency

will hit us up and be like, Hey.

We think that this person is right for the role.

We know xyz who's a who's Above the line and they said that we can send this person

in and some of them have been great So the whole thing is it's like though from

the jump literally everyone wants you to win I cannot stress that enough because

then if we see someone if we see someone we like at least even for callbacks

On the first stage of the audition process, which is shifting through

thousands and thousands of people, right?

Once you see someone, you're like, who's competent?

Am I competent?

A.

Be able to, at least during your self tape, or at least

during the first audition.

Just be off script.

Or at least try.

Try.

Take the directions in the sides.

So the SAG union has made it oh, you can't, I think it's some rule now.

Oh, you can't judge them based off of whether they have

memorized the lines or not.

SAG made that rule, but SAG isn't the one, isn't the one casting people.

And plus you can say, hey, you're not allowed to judge someone.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Okay, Sag, then give me the money.

Exactly.

Give me the money.

Then you cast this person, who can't read for some reason

or is completely illiterate.

Knowing your lines and being able to take simple directions will get you everywhere.

And also one of the things that I thought was very telling being so deeply

ingrained with the process in this particular TV show is that you think

that you're just a number, but being throughout this process, that if you

audition, if you are just competent, you might have a role in the show.

Yes.

Yes.

There are so many times, including on our show where we have someone come in.

To audition for a role, right?

And, Nick, it happened, right?

We were like, hey, switch him around.

Switch him around.

We were like, dude, you auditioned for this role, I think that I don't

want you for this role, but for this other one, you'd be amazing for it.

And we've casted people that way.

We've had people come in and cast them in other roles that we

think they're just dynamiting.

So if a casting director or some other director is Hey, do you

mind reading for this other part?

It means two things one of which they really like you which means they want to

work with you that Already puts you above like basically everyone right because

it means they want to work with you Even though you're not right for the role.

That's crazy.

They like who you are because that's one of the things about being an

actor is whenever you get rejected.

They're not rejecting the role.

They're rejecting you as a person That's what it feels at least right?

That's at least how it feels.

They don't like your rendition Of what you brought to the table and sometimes

it's not even because they don't like it.

It's just straight up politics, right?

Which Nicholas, do you want to play a little bit about acting politics

or Do we have three hours to do this?

We don't have enough time we literally we'd have to do five episodes on the

politics if you guys especially People out there who are actors, writers, any

creatives, if you want to know what someone's saying, so they say politics,

now most people who listen to the show, they're already professionals, but for

those of you who don't and you want to know a little more about Hollywood

politics and what the hell That even means one example would be that way

back in the day before, before Twilight happened, I was supposed to, I was

supposed to be in it, and what ended up happening was, is somebody's son

needed a role, because politics, right?

It's nepotism, it's this, that, and the other.

That's what it is by politics, it's oh, okay, this person wasn't

supposed to be in this role, but hey.

This is my son screw this guy.

It happens.

It happens to me.

It happens to everybody another thing that politics is like Okay, so we

actually That not this project but another project I was casting for We

really liked this one person for this side character role That she'd be great.

She was gonna rock it.

She was gonna kill it.

She was everyone's number one choice and we have a few alternates like two

or three alternates And then we casted the main character after her just

because we found like us like we said earlier We want you guys to succeed.

We want you to walk in there.

Wow us like We even if you don't think you can do it We're your biggest

cheerleaders because if we find you and you're the right for the role our jobs

are done we want these jobs to be done You're supposed to treat the audition

like it's your first day of work.

Not that you're on set Yeah, first day on set not that you're auditioning

for it You have to walk in there like this is just your first day on set.

You've already got the role, right?

So in this particular case We casted the side character, then

we casted the main character.

And these two were going to be in a lot of scenes together, obviously.

The issue was, is that the side character actress that we were choosing

originally looked extremely identical to the main character who we casted.

And it really came down to, okay importance of characters.

Is it more important that we have the right person for the main

character or the side character?

Obviously the main character.

Obviously.

So then it was like, We can't even use this other person for this project.

And so we put her in our back pocket to possibly ask her to do something else.

And she ended up being on this project, as as one of the lead characters,

it's, that's what we mean by politics.

And also the, there's a thing of like casting somebody where.

You're choosing between the two, right?

And you like this person more, but the other person comes with more resources.

You don't like them as much, but they are still good for the role,

but they come with more resources and more politics on their side.

Resources is, shows the unfairness of the world, in which you can hire

someone because a lot of people know this oh, okay, like whoa, this person's

an a lister so they're probably gonna get the role over me because they're

gonna bring in a lot of people and Investors like to invest in people they

know or are popular and yada, right?

It's why studios will Allow influencers to be in movies without

even seeing that they can act or not.

Because they can't.

Most of them.

They cannot.

They literally cannot.

Then, but also with resources could also be marketing.

There are some people who come in and because they're quote unquote

industry plants, they come with a whole huge marketing team ready to

give you money and blow up whatever project that you're working on.

They make it huge.

But.

Then again, it depends on whether that works for you in that situation.

Nicholas and I have turned such agreements down.

Mainly because it's okay if we took this deal, the project

itself would be terrible.

And yeah, it would get made, but then we would be known for

making something super terrible.

Comparative to, okay, if we choose this other person, it's not going to get made.

As big at first we're relying on the quality and one thing people

might not understand because I certainly Didn't understand it when

I first got in the business Is that?

I think people forget that this business and business in

general is about making money.

It's not about making movies.

The reason why a whole bunch of rich people are at the top is because they

don't have to worry about making money.

That's why they can do whatever.

But most people cannot do that.

The movies are about making money.

Yeah.

And also, the studios do not care if they're bad movies or not.

As long as they make money and As long as it strokes their ego.

But also, they keep making movies so that their name stays out there.

And stays relevant.

And stays relevant.

And they get more opportunities.

And they get more names and get more, Chances to keep their name out there

regardless of the quality of movies.

That's what we mean by politics.

That took a little turn, didn't it?

Yeah.

But, and there's more about that.

And if you guys want to hear us talk more about it, send us a suggestion.

But one of the things I always tell a lot of people when I'm directing and I

have people I bring in for callbacks.

Take that callback as if you're about to steal the show.

I cannot tell you the amount of times I've had people, So I've

looked at all the auditions.

First of all, if you're literate, And don't be, I swear to God, I hate when

people do this, We say, hey, this is just the type of person we need.

We need a tall black guy for this role.

And then a short white woman will apply.

Oh, I'll see.

I need a change the mind or creator, right?

Or I'll say hey, I need a white guy with dark hair.

And maybe I might change it here, maybe I'm not, but Unicornly at

least look like him a little bit, or a white guy that's 5'10 or around

that height or something like that.

And then you're gonna have, some super tall Asian dude apply for it, and

you're like, Dude, you do not match this description of this character.

A 5'4 white dude that's got red hair, and it's so it's oh, I

need someone to be a bodybuilder.

This is the side character role, you need to be a bodybuilder.

And then some guy who maybe weighs 90 pounds will show up.

It's come on, man.

You gotta at least unless you're an A list star, most directors aren't going

to work with you to transform your body.

Into the what you needs to be racially if it's a race thing, don't touch it.

Just Is my suggestion to you, but especially in this current climate

that you know, unless it doesn't mention the race then go for it, right?

But I cannot tell you how many times that we've had there's a number one

choice two, three, four, five And i'll be like, ah, you know what?

We'll just throw in this sixth person just because Cause whatever, we

need another slot, I need another person in here, and whatever.

And that sixth person ends up being the one I cast.

Yeah, the dark horse.

Because that person really puts their all into that callback, and they

resp you know, they go up there and kinda like Nicholas you said, they

act like they already got the role.

One of the things I think that we might be neglecting to say is the

difference between the ecocast auditions and then the in person auditions.

So when we initially were casting off of ecocast, off of video auditions, we had

our list of people that we liked, right?

Now Everybody.

We don't know how many takes it took.

We don't know how long they took.

We don't know what they did.

They could have taken a they could have been their 85th take of that one shot or

that one scene And or that one monologue and that's why it's great comparative

to what you're about to say comparative to Coming into the audition now And it

completely flipped everything on its head.

Now, we had maybe one or two people that were consistent on Ecocast

and in the in person audition.

But for the most part, our top prospects listed out.

We're not our first choice.

Completely flipped it on its head.

And that happens a lot.

And, what you that's.

What you want as a director, when you're dealing with casting, when

you're the director of the film in our case, we're talking about

a TV show so I'm show running it.

It's not really directing but when you're involved in that casting process

you want to have that really good sixth sense, don't really think Oh, you Like

the politics part we talked about that, but when it comes to the straight up

casting there's like a Visual that you will get you'll look at it someone and

say like they just said though Said the words the right way or something about

that and whatever that little inkling is in the back of your mind that hey

Like especially you if you have your list of callbacks you need an extra

space Reach out to that sixth sense.

It sounds really stupid.

But think about who you truly want to be in this role Who you, and then be like,

okay, if all of the people I want were gone, who would I think could handle it?

Not that they're right, not that they're the best choice for the

role, but who could handle it?

And really take that role.

And, a lot of times it's those six, ten choices, which have been phenomenal.

One of the things that I would.

Sorry, do you want me to cut you off?

The the person that Nicholas was referring to, not person, the people,

excuse me, that Nicholas was referring to, as in, the certain people who

are like, oh, you just see them, and you're like, oh, they were consistent

with the self tape, and in person, those are just straight up outliers.

And I, and here's the thing that people don't understand, you

can't count on outliers, right?

And you can't count yourself as not an outlier.

Because here's the thing.

Every single person who wants to be an actor or actress

is an outlier for some role.

There is a role out there that you are perfect for, you

just don't know what it is.

Comparative to for me, no one would choose me to, play a younger Michael Jordan.

They'd be like, what?

No.

But I could be a really good role for, I don't know Cat

Williams cousin or something.

What were you going to say?

We had, what I'd like you to do, is I'd like you to talk,

especially about that six cents.

Because we had a person that we weren't even going to consider.

We didn't like them, they didn't provide a good audition on their self tape,

but something told you we should have this person there, and what happened?

Can you give me a little bit more of a hint of which person you're talking about?

We were talking about the fact that What does this person look like?

Cause we can't really see the difference.

She was she was blonde.

Oh, I actually know what you're talking about.

I do actually know what you're talking about.

This person What happened was, is that she was not our first, second, 3rd, 4th,

8th, like literally I had we had all of our choices and We just needed a spot.

We need just one more person just to fill out the look we have five people it's

ironic that you say that I was actually saying about the same person cuz We

had five actual people in front of her.

Hey, you know what solid choice, right?

This is my perfect choice This is my second perfect choice is my third

like these top three choices When they saw their self tapes Indisputable

top of the rung then four and five.

I was like, you know what?

They're not as indisputable as the other ones are but they're still really good.

We need another spot And because we rented out the place for a certain amount of

time And we actually this is something too that you want to do when you're casting.

You want to make, you want to stick to your own personal rules.

For our personal rules, we're like, we're going to have X

number of choices for each person.

Regardless of, so for us it was six.

For this level of callbacks, we were like around three or four

of call of like auditions anyway.

So it wasn't like first rounds.

But for us, we were like, we need at least six for each person at this stage.

Each character, excuse me.

And.

Really, I was looking through the other ones and what ticked me off of that

sixth sense is I just literally, I was like if I take the character that

I'm imagining, like I'm imagining what this person may look like and just

throw that out of the window, just throw it completely out the window.

Don't think about what the character looks like.

Think about instead, could this person have that character's personality?

That's where that sixth sense comes from.

Does this person seem to naturally have the personality that I think that I need?

And that's why I was like, you know what?

I don't think that, I don't think that she did the scene as

well as I wanted her to do it.

I didn't think that, that she looked the part.

That was a big thing for us.

She didn't really look the part.

But, my sixth sense was like, sixth sense was like, but her personality

is like, Matching for me, and it just seems she sent in not only one version

of, cause we had a couple different sides, like three of them, we had three

scenes, she sent in three of each scene.

So it was like, she put a lot, she put a lot of work into it.

And she seems like she has that personality.

So then when she came in, I was, everyone else came in front of her, right?

Cause they were we had them at blocked out at different times.

And I am so glad that sixth sense.

Sixth Sense worked in that instance because when that sixth person, when

this actress, when she started her audition Everyone knew she was the one.

And this is crazy It's because we already had the one earlier.

Our number one choice had come in and dominated like we knew what she was

going to do We're like, okay, cool.

Our job is done.

We're just gonna sit here and just watch everybody else mess up, basically.

We're gonna just keep comparing them to this first choice But I kid you not

that number six came in and she wiped the floor with everyone else One of the

things that she also did, and what needs to be known, is give different variations

whenever you're in the audition.

If they want you to do it again, that means they like you, but they

want to see something different.

Don't do the same version that you just did!

They're testing to see if you can take directions.

So it's like this, if I'm hiring someone to run my lemonade stand.

Okay it's not good enough that they know how to make lemonade.

I also want them to not curse at my customers.

I want them to, and if I say, hey be nice we had to do this.

I want to know that, you're going to cooperate with me.

That's usually what that's about.

Or maybe you might have, maybe someone might have done the scene,

not in the way someone's imagined it.

But at the same time, a lot of times it's a, yeah, we do like you.

So we want to see it again or else we'll be like, all right, cool.

Thanks.

Exactly.

That once was good.

I see you at the, usually the second time I was like, can you take

direction and can we work with you?

If I give you some notes, how would you use them?

I don't care what the director says, now do it like you were underwater.

Come on, bro.

That might sound crazy to you, but it's I'll give it a shot.

And that alone is so much.

Because a lot of times actors will just give the exact same rendition, because

they practice the audition so much, that they can only perform it that one way.

I want to see if you can take direction.

I want to see if you can do exactly what I need you to do.

I liked your base version.

Now we're building on top of it.

And also, one of the things that, that I would like to That I thought is super

important during casting on the actor side as well Is you do not have as

much competition as you think you do?

Oh my gosh If you do not have as much competition as you think you do people

don't believe us when we tell them Los angeles is super small because out of the

five million people that live in this city There's probably about I would say 300,

000 that are competent for this industry.

There's only about 100, 000 that are actually gonna have the

chops to actually make it in.

And then there's only probably about 50, 000 that are really worth it.

And, out of everyone who consistently works in the industry, there's

probably some like 2, 000.

You do not have as much competition as you think you do.

If you understand anything, understand that.

I had a prime example of something like that happened

to me before I did a TV show.

And before the TV show, obviously you're waiting in the wings.

Obviously you're waiting for your turn.

And the character was a deadpan monotone type person, right?

I was next up, I was on deck, and I heard from the door, this dude going

all wild and crazy and blah blah blah.

Then you have, didn't you say he had a whole bunch of I'll, disclaimer, I was not

there, but I have heard the story before.

Didn't you say that he was Like dropping his tone, like going crazy with the

guy, like going all over the place.

So whenever you hear something like that, you get petrified because

you're like did I not get a side?

Did I not?

You think you're missing something or you were gonna do it wrong or something?

Was I not prepared?

And I get in there and you, and then you also say should I bring that up?

So there's a bunch of questions.

And then tell them what you did when you got in there.

So when I got in there, I was just straight up honest with them.

I said, Hey, listen, cause you're not supposed to talk about the

person who just auditioned.

Yeah, it's supposed to.

But I was like I'm acting like I already got the job.

I just heard the guy do that.

Did I miss something?

Was I Did I not get something?

And the funniest look that the director and the casting director

gave me was no, I said, this is how It's written in the side.

That is deadpan, right?

That is deadpan monotone type.

Is that how you're supposed to play it?

They're like, yeah that's how I was like, so what is he doing?

They were, we have no idea.

And again, this goes back to being literate.

People, if you can read, not only know your lines, but if you

can read the lines, you can also read the part that says deadpan.

And don't be like, oh, I'm not gonna do what's in the script.

That is the fastest way to get fired.

Actually, that's actually, that is the number one way that we not only we, but

like every casting director that I have known and worked with over the years.

The number one thing is are you gonna do what's actually in the script?

I cannot, this, yo, do you wanna tell them about Too Hype?

Is that something we want to get into right now?

How, let me see how much time it is.

Wow.

So we're not going to be able to talk about Dune or the D Box thing, but we'll,

I'll save D Box and Dune for next time.

We'll save it for next time.

Yeah, we'll save Dune, Box, and D Box for next time.

Nicholas I'm relying on Nicholas here because I don't even know how to describe.

We had sent out a breakdown for kind of a douchebaggy type person that is just

like, he's just real full of himself.

If you think if Hypebeast were a person That's what we needed.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

And we had somebody sent in An audition of three videos mind you the first

there are there's there are sides that we sent with words on It's a scene

that you're supposed to do right?

And the first one was of him performing his rap performance.

He sent us a camera video, vertical camera video, of him on stage at

an empty bar mitzvah rapping a song that was pretty terrible.

Pretty terrible.

And, as you're, hand to God, we're telling the truth.

We don't know why he did that.

We didn't ask for it.

We were like, we were looking, we're supposed to looking for his audition of

the seed and he just sends this tape.

And then there was two other videos.

Would you like to describe the other two videos?

One video was really short.

I don't think he meant to send it.

Yeah, it was like two seconds and Two or three seconds and basically it was him

at a school or something like that and someone's Hey, yeah, the camera works and

it was also a vertical and then the third video was about five seconds of the scene.

By the way, disclaimer, this scene is about a minute and a half long.

He sent us five to ten seconds of him saying one line just repeatedly.

And then, that's it.

He didn't even do any of the motions, no slate, by the way, nothing.

We didn't know who this person was.

We had to like, look it up.

And we were just like, we don't know if this guy is actually the character, or

this man is a genius, because he had us encapsulated the whole casting process.

We were like, we gotta see this dude.

There is something to be said about really standing out.

Because this person, but it only, he only stood out to us because

it's within line of the character.

He was the character.

If he would have done this for one of our more serious characters, I'm like, this

guy's an idiot and just passed over him.

Because the character were were casting for, is a too full of himself douchebag

to submit something like this where it seems like he's too full of himself on

stage rappin Was perfect on the mark.

Perfect, right?

We were like, what's better than acting?

Somebody who is actually that person.

An actual douchebag.

I don't know, and in fact, when we, so we gave him a call back.

We were like, it's crazy.

Maybe we could do like an extra person.

Something that our casting director said was like, hey man, you don't want to hire

the person who's actually a crackhead.

You want to get the person who's really good at acting like a crackhead.

Because you have to work them offset.

You know what I'm saying?

But at the same time, we were like, you know what?

Let's just bring this person in.

Nicholas, do you want to describe what it was like having him for a callback?

So we gave him a callback because I was like, I just want to meet the person.

I don't even care about the callback.

I don't care about his acting.

I want to know why he did this.

And we had the callback.

And He didn't know who we were.

He arrived on time.

First of all, excuse me.

This is done.

He arrived on time.

To the callback audition and didn't know who we were What was happening?

Nothing.

In fact, we told him we're like, hey, man, you auditioned for this role.

He's no, I didn't I'm like, bro We had you're here now.

How do you what?

And I'm like, yes you did he goes, we had to show him his audition For him to be

like, oh I did audition for this role.

We had to prove it to him.

And the only reason why we humored it, is it was just so dead on for the character.

But then, in the wise words of our casting director, we had to choose

someone who wasn't actually crazy.

We actually ran out of time.

Nicholas, do you have anything to say?

Any closing thoughts real fast?

Yeah, you do not have as much competition as you think you do.

And remember that the casting directors are your biggest fans.

Guys this has been Film Center.

This is part two of our getting into the industry series, or some

series, or whatever they call it.

I'm Derek Johnson II.

I'm Nicholas Killian.

And we'll see you later.

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