On this episode of The Karen Kenney Show, I dive into the roots and real meaning behind the phrase - "Mind your business." 

Most of us have heard it thrown around as a sassy comeback or a way to tell someone to butt out, but there’s way more to it than just that. 

I got inspired to find out where those words originally came from and, being a bit of a curious word nerd, I couldn’t help but do a little research!

Turns out, the story loops us right back to good ol’ Benjamin Franklin and the first U.S. copper penny, called the 1787 Fugio cent also known as the “Franklin cent”.

So what’s up with this coin and how does it apply to us today?

On one side, you’ve got 13 rings representing the original colonies with the words “We Are One,” and the other side features a sundial, with the Latin “Fugio” on the side (which means “I fly”), and underneath is written, “MIND YOUR BUSINESS.” 

Franklin wasn’t just talking business – as in making cold, hard cash - he was also reminding folks that time flies and we should put our energy into our own lives, work, and relationships, while making the most of the time we’ve been given. 

I think this message still rings true today, especially in a world full of distractions.

I also break down Franklin’s 13 Virtues, which are basically his personal recipe for living a good and purposeful life. 

From temperance to humility, these old-school precepts are surprisingly practical and applicable to life today - things like keeping focused, doing what matters, and being sincere and fair. 

It’s not about capitalistic productivity and hustling for hustle’s sake, though; it’s about being intentional with your time, energy, and relationships so you can thrive, not just survive

At the heart of the episode, I reflect on how “minding your business” isn’t about shutting out the happenings of the world around you, but rather about cultivating awareness and remembering what really matters.

It’s about honoring your own journey, while still valuing unity and the well-being of the people around you. 

If we can look after our own purpose with care, boundaries, and love -and- show up for each other as well… we’re using the wisdom from Franklin’s time to live better and more meaningful lives right now. ❤️

KK’S KEY TAKEAWAYS:

• "Mind your business" originally meant focusing on your own growth, responsibilities, and purpose rather than as a quick insult or sharp dismissal.

• Benjamin Franklin’s 1787 Fugio cent coin features the phrase as a reminder to use our time wisely and prioritize what matters in life.

• The 13 interlocking rings and “We Are One” on the coin emphasize unity and the strength found in community and collaboration.

• Franklin’s list of 13 virtues encourages personal responsibility, industriousness, moderation, sincerity, and humility - values that are still relevant today.

• Getting caught up in other people’s business or distractions only takes us away from our own goals and well-being.

• Mindfully attending to your day-to-day life helps you live with more intention, creativity, and satisfaction.

• Balancing personal focus with care for others leads to growth for both us and our communities.

• Making time for rest, boundaries, and self-reflection is just as important as hard work and productivity.

BIO:

Spiritual Mentor and writer Karen Kenney uses humor and dynamic storytelling to bring a down-to-earth, no-BS perspective to self-development. 

Bringing together tools that coach the conscious and unconscious mind, Karen helps clients deepen their connections with Self, and discover their unique understandings of spirituality.  

Her practice combines neuroscience, subconscious reprogramming, Integrative Hypnosis, somatic work, spiritual mentoring, and other holistic modalities to help regulate the nervous system, examine internal narratives, remove blocks, and reimagine what’s possible.

A passionate yoga teacher, long-time student of A Course in Miracles, and Gateless Writing instructor, Karen is a frequent speaker and retreat leader. Via her programs The Quest and The Nest, she coaches both individuals and groups. 

With The Karen Kenney Podcast, she encourages listeners to shift from a thought system of fear to one of love, compassion, and personal responsibility. 

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Hey you guys, welcome to the Karen Kenney show. I'm super

duper excited to be here with you today, and I'm just going to

tell you up front this episode just might be a little extra

win, like a little a little extra quirky. I don't know I did

look when inspiration strikes like I run with it, I run with

it. You know what I mean? Okay, so I'm just gonna dive right

into this sucker. I was thinking the other day about the phrase

Mind your business, and the way that we use this phrase, mind

your business these days is, often is, like, very sarcastic,

very like, hey, butt out, hey. Like, keep it over there. We use

it as a separation tool, a divisive tool. We use it as a

way to, like, kind of cut people down, almost attack people, push

them away, etc. And a really well timed like mind your

business, right? Can actually be really effective. It can also be

really offensive. You know what I mean? And I will just say

this, and that's not what this whole episode is about. I'm

going to we'll talk. We can maybe talk about that another

time. I also think that there are times when we should mind

our own damn business, and there are times when, to quote,

unquote, just mind your business, can be very dangerous

for other animals, humans, groups of people, etc. But what

this episode is about is I started thinking about that

phrase, like, mind your business. And you guys know that

I'm a little bit of a word nerd, like, I like to understand where

sayings come from and what words really mean and where they

originated from. And, like, What's the origin story of this

word or this phrase or whatever. So I started getting curious,

like, Where does Mind your business come from? So of

course, like, a total like, you know, little weirdo geek, I

started to, like, you know, Google and research and look up

some things. And so we're just gonna dive right into this. And

I hope that you are curious enough, and you trust me enough.

If you're new to the show, hi, you might be like, I don't know

if I want to follow you down this rabbit hole. But if you've

been around the block, right, I hope that you feel like, or know

that there's going to be some value in this for you, or

something helpful, or something you can take away from this

conversation. But it all starts with good old Benjamin Franklin.

You know, Benjamin Franklin, the inventor, the author. Like,

he's, like, he was, like, a big deal in our country's like, you

know, history. So Benjamin Franklin was he designed the

first ever, kind of like minted coin. So think of it like, we'll

call it the first Penny, right? The first penny that was ever

created for the United States. And he created this sucker in

1787, now the first official coin of United States. It was

called the 1787 Fujio. It's spelled F, U, G, i, o, the fugio

scent, you know, like scent, like a penny. It's also referred

to, sometimes, though, as Franklin cent, or Franklin's

coin. Now, on one side of this little copper penny. And I've

seen a picture of one. I should have printed it out, but if you

just Google it, you'll get to see it for yourself on one side

of it. And we're going to break down both these sides and how it

applies to this and how it's applicable. What what comes from

some of this Benjamin Franklin coin wisdom that I'm sharing

with you. But on one side of it, it had 13 rings, right, 13 rings

like a chain, almost, that were entwined in a circle and in with

the words we are one in scripted also on it, okay? And on the

other side there was a sundial with the Latin word fugio, which

means I fly or I flee, right in Latin. And it also featured the

unusual motto that said underneath it, mind your

business. And I just found this absolutely fascinating. So I

kind of like looked up a bunch of different places like, you

know, Googled, found different sources and stuff like that,

everything from Wicked Yeah, to like the economic whatever,

trust whatever.com, okay, so let's kind of get into this. So

remember, we have on one side the 13 circles that are

intertwined with the words we are one. And then on the flip

side of the coin, like think heads and tails. On the flip

side of the coin, there's the Latin word fugio, which means I

fly or I flee, and it's featured the words, mind your business.

Okay, so the picture of the sun. See if you can imagine this in

your mind, the picture of the Sun has. Sun rays beating down

on the sundial, and next to that the word fugio. So this

symbolizes the passing of time, and that time flies right? It's

implying that fugio I flee, and the sun is on the sundial, which

marks time. And so it's kind of symbolizing this idea that time

flies, which to me, is kind of like the concept of, well, time

flies. Time passes so fast, so it's a reminder to use it

wisely. And I think even just this, how important is it for us

to remember this as we're going about our mortal business, that,

yes, even though we are spiritual beings, even though we

are quote, unquote eternal, while we're here in this

experience, embodied in a physical I'm tapping my chest

right in our physical bodies, it is important to remember that

time goes by so fast, and I know that parents experience This so

much watching their children grow that they lament, oh my

God, he's getting so big. She's getting so big. They're getting

so big, right? They they just see time so quickly passing in

the growth of their children, and as we age, right? I just

texted my friend, kt, right. I was like, How is it almost like

Halloween of 2025 How is like 2026 only like two months away?

It's just absolutely crazy. And it seems as if the older that we

get, the faster that time goes by. And so I often say to

myself, you know, no amount of time is guaranteed. No amount of

time is given, not the same amount of time is given to

everybody. And what I always say, What do I have, like,

maybe, maybe 30 summers left. And when you think about that,

it's like, oh my god, like I want to make the most of my

time. So I thought this was really fascinating, okay, but

beneath that, beneath the the sundial, and this idea of, you

know, Fusio, meaning I flee or I fly. This time is the phrase,

mind your business. And again, this wasn't meant as, like, the

rude the rude way we use it against each other, like when we

make a snacky comment or unkind remark. It wasn't used that way

back then. Wasn't used to dismiss each other, right? Like,

get out of my business. It also wasn't just because some people

have said that they thought it was just simply strict, like,

financial advice, right? Like, just mind your actual business,

like, literally meaning, just focus on your commercial

activities. Now, some people say that that's what they think. I

don't think of it just that way. I think of it. It was kind of

like some guidance for us to to look after our affairs. Time

goes by fast, so like, look after your affairs. Look at how

you're spending your time. This is how I'm interpreting it,

right? Mind your business, mind the activities of your life. And

some people say that it was supposedly Ben Franklin's way of

encouraging hard work. Because, remember, he was all about

industrialism. He was all about like industry and being a hard

worker and all this stuff. Right? So it's his way of

encouraging hard work and also encouraging self sufficiency.

And but it was self sufficiency in the new nation that they were

kind of, you know, creating at that time. So also, right here

it says somebody said it like this, it's a reminder to stay

industrious and focus on one's own work, to focus on your own

work, to mind your business. So I think of this like, Okay, I

have this many hours in the day. We know what that sundial is

telling us that time flees. It goes by fast. Like, okay, so,

like, what are you going to focus on? Where are you going to

put your attention? And I also like to think of it like, in

this particular way. So this is the note I wrote to myself,

because as I was contemplating all of this, it's almost like

Ben Franklin from the grave from way back then.

Now keep in mind this coin, I think, only lasted for like a

year, because people couldn't afford to keep minting it. And

some of these are still exist today, like not replicas or

whatever, but actual those actual coins. Some people

actually have them. If you go on eBay and stuff, you can see them

all over the place. But it says, I like to think of it like this.

So to me, mind your business means pay attention. Be aware.

Pay mind to your business. Like what you're up to, the

activities of your day to day life. I think of it like take it

seriously. Take your business. And I don't just mean

commercially, like, professionally. I mean like, the

day to day activities of your business and what you're up to,

and who you're creating life with, and who you're partnered

with, and who you love, and who you spend time with, and your

creativity and like all of that, like, mind it, take it

seriously. Seriously. And I got to thinking like honestly, if

you're keeping your as we sometimes say, keep your eyes on

your own paper, if you are focusing on your own work, if

you are focusing on your own stuff, your own creativity, your

own art, your own relationship, your own business, right? Your

own well, being, your health, your mental health, all of it,

if you stay focused on minding your own business. You don't

have time to be meddling about in other people's affairs. You

don't have time to be distracted by other people's shenanigans,

and especially in this day and age with the internet and social

media and online, whatever the TV I mean, we are bombarded. We

all know this, right? This is not new news to us. We are

bombarded on a daily basis by all the 1000s of other voices

and opinions and and new like the news and like everything

that's going on, it is so easy to do everything but mind our

own business. And I love this idea of just kind of the

spiritual. I feel this is a very deeply spiritual message to

really just pay attention right where our focus our where our

focus goes, our energy goes right where our attention goes.

It's like where you put your attention is kind of like where

you're putting your love sometimes. Okay, so pay

attention. Be aware and pay mind to your own business. Take it

seriously, because time flees. Time flies. It goes by so fast.

And there's a writer that I love. His name is Bob Goff, and

when I was researching all of this, I looked up in one of his

books that I have, I found this, which was fantastic, and a daily

reader that he said something about, mind your business in

this coin as well. And I want to share it with you, because I

think it's really fantastic. He says he's talking about when

Franklin, Franklin wrote, mind your like the what the coin

says, What's inscribed on the coin, the mind your business

pot. And he says this quote. It was referring to the small

businesses people had in the colonies. The coin wasn't

reminding people not to butt in or be nosy, but to work hard

when we have our heads down, working hard on something big

and meaningful and laden with purpose, we will be so busy

doing the important things, we won't waste our time being

distracted by what others are doing. And I just thought this

was so fantastic, because it's so easy, because when you start

to get distracted by what other people are doing, I can't tell

you how many times I've been a guest teacher in like a program

or a coaching thing or whatever. And one of the questions that

inevitably comes up is about comparison, and how when people

are looking at other you know, we say, keep your eyes on your

own paper, when people's eyes tend to drift off to the sides

to to check out what other people are doing. It almost

always creates suffering. It almost always creates suffering.

But if you are so deeply invested in your own

industriousness to create things that you want to create, that

you feel called to create, that the divine assignments been

given to you and only you to to whether it's to write the book

or, you know, write a song, or, you know, create a screenplay,

or to play music, or to learn a new skill or to offer a service,

or whatever it is to to really learn a new language, or be the

best mom you can be, or whatever the thing is, when we stay

locked down on what we have been called to do what we feel in our

hearts. Inspired to do this is when we can, like, keep our nose

out of other people's business and keep it on ourselves. Okay,

so the time dial in the mind your business. Phrase was also

said to be a message that captured Ben's calling him Ben

running like not Ben, not Ben Affleck Benjamin his belief in

hard work, productivity and personal responsibility, and he

was talking about them on this coin as the foundation for the

new nation's values. But I think those are pretty great values to

have too personal responsibility, productivity and

hard work. Now this makes sense that I would find these things

valuable, because I'm a blue collar kid. I was raised in an

immigrant city, right on the river with all where part of the

industrial revolution happened. But here's the thing, those

things can also get way out of balance. We see it all the time.

We have this very individual kind of rugged pull yourself up

by the bootstraps, like this idea in this country that you

have to do it all by yourself. You better fucking like work

your. Your ass off. Nothing comes easy. Nothing comes free.

You gotta hustle, you gotta grind, you gotta and this is

when people start to get sick. This is when people don't learn

how to rest, how to do my like finding and I know it's hard to

find quote, unquote, balance. I think it's rare that all things

being equal and all things are balanced at all times, I am a

huge proponent of being a hard worker. I always say I'm not

afraid of a little hard work. You know what I mean. But I also

know the consequences when you don't learn to say no or have

boundaries, or learn how to rest or learn how to find a place

where, yeah, work isn't the end all, be all business isn't the

end all be all making money and hustling and being competitive

and trying to outdo the comp, oh, like all that stuff. Just

like, no, it's just not even that interesting to me anymore.

But when you think about this idea of, like, mind your

business, and this industriousness in whatever that

Benjamin Franklin was like, you know, kind of like setting is

the foundation for, literally, the coin that was going to be in

people's pockets as a reminder each day. Kind of like when you

look at a copper penny now, and the words on it now are quite

different, you know. But I'm pretty sure that Benjamin

Franklin, I should look this up. I'm pretty sure that he was also

the guy. And I don't know how I know this. Now, your brain just

knows, like, random things, or thinks it knows they I think I

know this so somebody can Google this and fact check me, and I'll

do it afterwards. But I think he was also the one that coined the

phrase Time is money. Isn't that so interesting. I am almost I'm

almost positive he was the one who coined that phrase. Okay, so

that's the Mind your business piece, right, which we all could

do and should do. Maybe I don't like to use the word share, but

maybe we get to do a little bit better. But on the back of the

coin, because I was just going to stop there, I was like, Okay,

I'm just gonna stop at the Mind your business piece, but I want

to just give a little bit more that I discovered, because I

think this is really interesting and helpful. On the back of the

coin. Remember those 13 interlocking like, like rings,

or call them like links in a chain. Okay, so those

interlocking rings are said to represent the 13, the unity of

the 13 original colonies that were formed. And on that side

was also the words, we are one. And I love that Ben Franklin,

right? I mean, if you look at the spiritual principles of

unity, which is, this is what yoga is telling us in the Course

in Miracles, it's that there is no separation. And in

Christianity, it's like you and the Father are one, right? We,

you know? It's just like there's so much around this idea of

unity. So I kind of love that. It's also this reminder that we

need each other, that together, the 13 colonies would be

stronger than they were apart. And I think it's the same thing

for us today. It is really easy, right? When we get into that

word, your like mind your business, to start doing

separation stuff and forgetting that we're all interconnected,

that all of nature is interconnected. We all need each

other. This is how we not only survive, but this is how we

thrive. And I think one of the things that I've seen repeatedly

about Ben Franklin is that he was really aware of the

interdependence of life, and that he would often say things

like, he didn't like, he didn't want to just like, how do I say

this? I'm not saying it in a very good way, but he would

often say that you wanted to do things that benefited both you

and the community you and society and you. Know clearly,

he was not without his

horrors and his past mistakes. He was at a in a younger point

of his life, he owned enslaved people and but later on in his

life, you know, he got it together, got his act together,

and he became like the president of the chapter, I think it was

in Pennsylvania, of the abolitionists. And he absolutely

started to write and speak out against he freed all of his

enslaved, all the people that he had enslaved, and the people who

he, you know, had under his charge. And he started to get

very serious about abolitionists and and speaking out against,

like, actively speaking out against slavery. But it wasn't

until much later in his life. So look, I'm not a historian. I

don't know the whole story of Ben Franklin. But I thought that

was, I appreciated the fact that he, he came to his He not only

came to his senses, but it's like, you know, as the country

was being founded and as these colonies were coming together,

you know, it was very complicated when you understand

the Founding Fathers, on one hand, they said, All men are

created equal, while many of them own. Slaves. So, you know,

we've been a really contradictory and complicated

and country like since our inception. You know what I mean?

Okay, now, while some people say that those 13 rings on the back

of that chain link only represent, or mostly represent,

the 13 linked like colonies, those chains. Some people also

think that it's kind of a wink or a nod to Ben Franklin's like

13 virtues. So in his autobiography, he wrote down

Benny boy wrote down these 13 virtues, which he thought were

really, really important. And he basically created this system of

these 13 virtues to develop his character and the list. He

thought that these things were necessary. Maybe they're not

necessary for you. I'm going to share them with you. But he

thought that they were desirable and even necessary. He also

considered like virtues are what we consider like, what is

morally good, or they're valued. They're valued for their ability

to promote and this is one of the things I was getting to a

moment ago. These virtues are character traits that promote

both individual and societal well being. So I'm going to

share with you now these 13 virtues of Ben Franklin's and

and their precepts. So think of precepts is like the rules or

the the guide for how we conduct ourselves, or the actions we're

going to take. I just kind of think of it as instructions. So

it's going to be the the list of the virtues, and then, like the

instructions. So number one is temperance, right? And he says

this, or it says this. And the he wrote these in his, in his it

was written in his autobiography. These were his

lists of virtues. Number one, temperance, eat not to dullness.

Drink not to elevation. Isn't that so fascinating? Eat, not to

dullness. I think of this as, like you know, after

Thanksgiving, hopefully it's vegan Thanksgiving, because all

those poor, murdered animals, innocent little turkeys and

birds, just so people can have a meal of thanks. It's so it's so

confusing to me. But when you know, when people after

Thanksgiving dinner, they just are like in a food coma, and

they just lay around. They want to unbutton their pants, and

they like, you know, they just pass out on the couch, or have

to take a nap. So eat, not to dullness. And then also drink,

not to elevation. And when you think of elevation, this is

obviously like when people get drunk or people get high, and

they start to get sloppy, and they start to get like, with the

bubbly on the bubbly, you know what I mean. Okay, number two is

silence. Speak not but what may benefit others or yourself?

Right? A fancy way of saying, like, don't talk about stuff

that's not going to benefit you or others. I love that, he says,

avoid trifling conversation.

Avoid trifling conversation. That's so funny. Okay, number

three is order. Let all your things have their places. Let

each part of your business have its time. I find this

fascinating. And interestingly enough, I also read that when it

says, Here, let each part of your business have its time,

speaking of having its time, he didn't try to attack each one of

these at the same time. His approach, from what I've read

and I've understood, is that he would do one of these. He would

try to create these good new habits, these new ways of being

he would approach them, tackle them, practice them, one at a

time, until he kind of, I'm not going to use the word like

mastered, but until he got a good grip on these things. So he

practiced temperance, and then he went on and he practiced

silence. And then he started to practice order. Okay, number

four, resolution. Resolve to perform what you ought, meaning,

perform what you gotta do. Perform what you said you're

gonna do, what you get, what you have to do, like, perform.

Resolve to perform what you ought like, what is yours to do.

Right Mind your business. Do what you need to do. Perform,

without fail, what you resolve? Okay, that's pretty good. So he

just simply says those two that resolve to perform what you

ought perform, without fail, what you resolve. Okay, number

five, frugality. Make no expense but to do good to others or

yourself. Ie waste nothing. I love this. And again, I love how

he's including not just only you, because again, here in

America, we can be very like again, individuals, hyper,

independent, all about me, me, me and mine, mine, mine, in my

family and me and ours, right? No, no. Make no expense. To do

good to others or yourself, ie waste nothing. Number six

industry lose no time, be always employed in something useful,

cut off all unnecessary actions. I think this is interesting.

Now. Here again, some of these may resonate with you, and some

of them may not, but I wanted to share them because I, first of

all, I just thought they were really interesting. And number

two, I think there's a lot of helpful advice in here, if you

can kind of use it in a way that supports you in your life.

Number seven, sincerity, use no hurtful deceit. Think innocently

and justly, and if you speak, speak accordingly, how lovely is

that use no hurtful deceit, sincerity, think innocently and

justly. And if you speak, speak accordingly, what a beautiful

way to approach people, what a beautiful way to use language.

You know what I mean. Number eight, justice, wrong. None like

wrong. No one right wrong, none by doing injuries or omitting

the benefits that are your duty. Yes to justice. Number eight,

love that. Number nine, moderation. Avoid extremes. For

Bear, resenting injuries so much as you think they deserve. Avoid

the extremes of like going way over there or way over there.

Try to kind of stay in the middle in moderation. Number 10,

cleanliness, tolerate no one cleanliness in body, clothes or

habitation. Number 11, tranquility, be not disturbed at

trifles or at accidents. Common or unavoidable. Man, I could do

a whole podcast on tranquility. Be not disturbed at trifles. I

love this, or at accidents, common meaning, shit that just

is gonna happen and happens often, or that's unavoidable

shit you have no control over. What you're starting to see here

is a little glimpse of his stoicism, right? You're starting

to see a little bit of that stoicism in him. Okay? 12, like

he was. He was a reader of the Stoics, okay? He practiced

stoicism. Okay. Number 12, chastity, rare and I here's

another reason why I love this list, because I learned new

words. Love when I learned a new word, he says, chastity. Rarely

use venery, v, e, n, e, i, y, vennery. I'm like, what is that?

I look it up. What does it mean? Sexual indulgence. So rarely use

venery slash sexual indulgent, but for health or offspring,

never to dullness, weakness or the injury of your own or

another's peace or reputation, that that is such a good one

too, right? Don't do things. And we can just apply this to

anything, not just sexual indulgence. Don't do things to

dullness, right? You do it to a point where you become dull.

Your mind becomes dull, your energy, your presence,

everything, your spirit starts to now that you can affect your

spirit, but like your soul almost becomes dull, or that you

become weak, right? And don't do things to the injury of your own

or another person's peace or reputation. How beautiful is

that? Okay? Number 13, humility. I thought, fascinating. What's

he going to say? Listen to what he says. He just says four

words, imitate Jesus and Socrates. Humility. Imitate

Jesus and Socrates. I don't know about you, maybe you stopped

listening a while ago, but I found this so fascinating. And I

see how kind of all of this stuff, like you get a really

good glimpse of who this person is and why he said, to mind your

business. These 13 virtues and their precepts totally make

sense for me when I look at that coin and understand the mind

that kind of created and minted this first coin. And even his

industriousness, of like his creativity and his invent like

how he was an inventor, that the way that his mind thought. And

again, guy clearly didn't always get it right. In fact, he did a

lot of harm, I'm sure, and in his own like in those ways that

he did. And again, I'm not a historian, so please forgive me

if you're somebody who has read a lot about him and you're like,

hey, Kay, what are you talking about? This guy was a piece of

shit. I don't know. I only know what I know so far, and I'm

learning more all the time. But I wanted to share that with you

and share because again, like I said, I took so much away from

this, and I thought it was really interesting. And if we.

Remember this fugio scent, if we remember this, this Franklin

coin and this idea that time flies, right? Time flies. It

goes by so fast like mind your business. So with the time that

we have left on the planet, which none of us know our exact

day of, day of death, or our time of death, it's like with

the time that we have, let's make use of it. Let's mind our

business, and let's have part of our business be about the care

and the paying attention also of others in their needs and not

creating harm for ourselves or anybody else. I just thought

that this is a really fantastic thing to share, and I hope you

enjoyed it, and I hope you got something out of it, like I did,

like I said at the beginning, this is going to be a little bit

of a quirky kind of an episode, but I again, like I said, I just

follow my internal when my inner teacher speaks, when spiritual

team says, like, do this. I trust it, and I follow my

instructions. So I'm going to trust that somebody out there is

going to get something from this. And thank you so much for

spending some time with me. Thank you so much for being here

and listening. And like I said, as I always say, if you want to

find out how to like, join my newsletter, or come into my

world in a different way, or work together, or join the nest

or whatever, you can find it all on my website. Karen Kenney, k,

e n, n, e y.com, thank you so much. Now, wherever you go, may

you leave yourself and the animals and the planet and the

environment better better than how you first found it. Wherever

you go, may you be a blessing. Bye.