What is equality? What is equity? What is gender equity? How can we embrace all of these?
In this episode of Know Them, Be Them, Raise Them, Annie Warshaw, co-founder of Mission Propelle and a gender justice professor at Roosevelt University, unpacks gender equity in her chat with host Carmelita Tiu.
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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host: Hello, everyone.
Speaker:So as you know, March is women's history month.
Speaker:And March 8th is international women's day.
Speaker:The theme for 2023 is embrace equity.
Speaker:This immediately made me think of an early episode I did with Annie
Speaker:Warshaw, who is a professor of gender studies at Roosevelt university.
Speaker:And founder of mission propel.
Speaker:I really listened to it and really took away many things
Speaker:that either I had forgotten.
Speaker:Or was hearing in a different way so i decided to rehear it and
Speaker:you'll be hearing that shortly
Speaker:Before we go there.
Speaker:I wanted to call out a distinction that the international
Speaker:women's day organization.
Speaker:Thanks.
Speaker:It's helpful to understand as we think about embracing equity.
Speaker:And that is the difference between equality and equity.
Speaker:Equality means each individual or group of people is given the
Speaker:same resources or opportunities.
Speaker:Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances.
Speaker:And gives the exact resources and opportunities needed.
Speaker:To reach an equal outcome.
Speaker:One thing that really helped me understand the distinction that you may have seen.
Speaker:Is this cartoon of individuals trying to look over a fence there's basically two.
Speaker:Two sides to the cartoon.
Speaker:One is labeled equality and one is labeled equity.
Speaker:On the equality side, you see three.
Speaker:Individuals of different Heights, all trying to see over a fence,
Speaker:there's a tall, a middle-sized one and a shorter one.
Speaker:Person.
Speaker:And they're all standing on the same sized box.
Speaker:Unfortunately, that means that the shortest person still can't see
Speaker:over the fence, the middle-sized person can just peek over and the
Speaker:tall person can see over easily.
Speaker:On the other side of the cartoon it's labeled equity.
Speaker:And there the tall person has a box that allows them to see over the fence.
Speaker:The middle-sized person has a taller box that also allows them
Speaker:to see over the fence and the shorter person has the tallest box.
Speaker:So all three individuals can see easily over the fence with different sized boxes.
Speaker:That really drove the point home.
Speaker:So equality might mean giving people equal opportunities.
Speaker:But equity looks like people having the same experience and,
Speaker:and being able to engage in those opportunities in a meaningful way.
Speaker:It really speaks to meeting people where they are and embracing differences.
Speaker:I hope this will inspire you to think about equity.
Speaker:And how you might embrace equity going forward.
Speaker:Welcome to know them.
Speaker:Be them, raise them a show to help moms stay informed and inspired so
Speaker:they can show up for themselves and their daughters the way they want to.
Speaker:I'm your host Carmelita to join me each week.
Speaker:As I cover a variety of topics, all designed to support, mindful and growth
Speaker:oriented moms navigating these crucial years, I'll talk to experts, moms who've
Speaker:been there and read a curated selection of articles with the author's permission
Speaker:and drop in with my own thoughts on it.
Speaker:This week's episode features Annie Warshaw co-founder of mission propel
Speaker:and a gender justice professor at Roosevelt university in our chat.
Speaker:She shares the evolution of mission propel breaks down what gender equity
Speaker:is, explains how we can be aware of it and encourage it, and even how to reframe
Speaker:our beliefs about old school etiquette.
Speaker:So we can foster more equitable gender roles.
Speaker:And if you're hearing some scratching noises, it's not.
Speaker:It's me, it was a new podcast or misstep my ears just weren't attuned
Speaker:to the noises when we were recording.
Speaker:I think they're mostly in the first couple of minutes, but stick with me.
Speaker:I promise there are some great takeaways.
Annie Warshaw:uh, so thank you so much for having me on, I
Annie Warshaw:really admire what you're trying to do and just appreciate it.
Annie Warshaw:So I have two companies prior to the pandemic mission.
Annie Warshaw:Propels mission was to empower girls, to be advocates for themselves within
Annie Warshaw:their classrooms and communities and for boys to be allies towards girls for
Annie Warshaw:the K through five groups of children.
Annie Warshaw:And the way that we were doing that was we were working with in schools.
Annie Warshaw:Using original storybooks that myself and my business partner
Annie Warshaw:wrote, and we paired it with yoga.
Annie Warshaw:We have served over 10,000 students in the Chicago land area.
Annie Warshaw:And then the pandemic hit and then we had no business because the school is closed.
Annie Warshaw:So we pivoted and quite frankly, we were kind of like, you know, we
Annie Warshaw:had been running this business for seven years and we're like, we would
Annie Warshaw:like a little bit of a change here.
Annie Warshaw:That business, is now youth Alliance, yoga for short gay that
Annie Warshaw:is still functioning in schools.
Annie Warshaw:Mission propel is now the name for our new business.
Annie Warshaw:And what we do is work to keep moms from dropping out of the workplace.
Annie Warshaw:We have a two-pronged approach.
Annie Warshaw:We work with corporations and nonprofits and we coach their employees on how
Annie Warshaw:to create a sustainable loving home.
Annie Warshaw:So we work on relationships.
Annie Warshaw:We work on, Actually creating a sustainable schedule, having
Annie Warshaw:an equitable partnership.
Annie Warshaw:And then we do policy review of the workplace and we say,
Annie Warshaw:look, we took care of this.
Annie Warshaw:Person's home now.
Annie Warshaw:Here's what you need to shift work-wise and culture-wise, if you want this
Annie Warshaw:person to actually stay and feel invested in your company, love it.
Annie Warshaw:So those.
Annie Warshaw:Yeah.
Annie Warshaw:So that has been going really well.
Annie Warshaw:It's been really interesting and it's really exciting for Jill and I, my
Annie Warshaw:business partner, because we're getting to do something that we also love.
Annie Warshaw:Like we loved working with kids, but now we're getting to teach
Annie Warshaw:parents all of the skills that we've acquired over the past, um, 15 years.
Annie Warshaw:And it's been really fun.
Annie Warshaw:It really
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:kind of.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Some of my thinking about, showing up as a mom for our daughters, like,
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:it's, you, you both have to empower your daughter, but you also have to
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:model these behaviors and structures that you want the future to look like.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:So you kind of address that through both of those angles, like the work
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:you're doing now, establishing.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Things should look like at home and then also at work, I think it's phenomenal.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Yeah.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Yeah.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:A good
Annie Warshaw:chunk of what we do when we're talking about like
Annie Warshaw:parenting and building emotional intelligence and that sort of stuff.
Annie Warshaw:It's really all around like what we as parents are doing and how we're
Annie Warshaw:modeling that, you know, we often talk about, especially when we're working
Annie Warshaw:with dad, clients, or moms who like are going to go then talk to their partner.
Annie Warshaw:If they're male identified, you know, the skillset versus.
Annie Warshaw:Value set in how we teach skills, verse values.
Annie Warshaw:Um, so this idea of like, you need to listen to me because I said so like
Annie Warshaw:is not teaching any skill it's and it's not teaching any value either.
Annie Warshaw:Right?
Annie Warshaw:Like the idea is, well, I'm teaching you respect, you don't teach respect.
Annie Warshaw:You show respect, you model respect.
Annie Warshaw:You talk about respect, but by having your kid brush their teeth,
Annie Warshaw:because you said they need to brush their teeth is not teaching them.
Annie Warshaw:You're in that circumstance, what your objective is, is to teach them a
Annie Warshaw:skill, which is to brush their teeth.
Annie Warshaw:So the mechanism of which you get them to do that can vary.
Annie Warshaw:And, you know, we talked about those strategies.
Annie Warshaw:Walking away being like, you have to do this.
Annie Warshaw:Cause I said, so like, isn't going to get you the outcome that you're intending.
Annie Warshaw:And so when we think about like modeling in that particular
Annie Warshaw:circumstance, it's really about showing respect and how do you listen?
Annie Warshaw:Why don't they want to brush their teeth?
Annie Warshaw:Like how can you provide them the structure and routine
Annie Warshaw:and consistency, versus.
Annie Warshaw:I'm doing this cause, or you're going to do this cause
Annie Warshaw:I told you so, which teaches?
Annie Warshaw:No.
Annie Warshaw:Right.
Annie Warshaw:So
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:it's something that I, I know I grew up
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:with, um, you know, love my parents.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:We get along great now, but there are definitely were definitely times growing
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:up where I'm like, why am I doing.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:So I love that.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:You're kind of getting at that, like, it's not enough to just say yeah.
Annie Warshaw:I mean, because I had the same feeling and like, I mean, most
Annie Warshaw:people say that stuff because they're reverting to like what their parents
Annie Warshaw:taught them, but teaching our kids, for example, how to advocate for themselves.
Annie Warshaw:If they do ask a question and you just shut them down, like, well, I told him,
Annie Warshaw:so I told you so like, The opposite of what you're trying to foster within them.
Annie Warshaw:Right?
Annie Warshaw:You want them to question that and if they are questioning things and
Annie Warshaw:you're shooting them, then down, then they're going to say, well,
Annie Warshaw:I should stop questioning things.
Annie Warshaw:Or my voice is not valid as a space, so I'm not going to use it.
Annie Warshaw:Um, and so like, if we want them doing that as a school, we need to
Annie Warshaw:be also like offering that at home
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:one hot.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:I love what you're saying.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Run a hundred percent agree.
Annie Warshaw:So kind of.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Jumping up to like a 35,000 foot view.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Um, can you tell our listeners how you define gender equity
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:and why it's important?
Annie Warshaw:Yeah.
Annie Warshaw:Um, I guess I should say so when I'm not doing those two companies, I teach gender
Annie Warshaw:justice, which is like the new women in gender studies at Roosevelt university.
Annie Warshaw:Um, so like, everything I do is through this lens of gender.
Annie Warshaw:So I have, , Two sons and a daughter and it goes, boy, girl, boy.
Annie Warshaw:And I will tell you like, this conversation is very much obviously
Annie Warshaw:centered around girls, but once I had a son, I was like, oh
Annie Warshaw:my God, my world is in girls.
Annie Warshaw:I, what am I going to do with this person?
Annie Warshaw:And I became super passionate and I've done so much reading about like
Annie Warshaw:toxic masculinity and, I feel like if my, there are so many supports in
Annie Warshaw:this world for girls, and that is not to say that we have gotten anywhere
Annie Warshaw:near where we need to for women.
Annie Warshaw:But we, as a culture, I think at least understand that we need
Annie Warshaw:to provide programming for girls and you know, that kind of stuff.
Annie Warshaw:And we know, you know, you could go buy a girl power shirt.
Annie Warshaw:We have not done nearly as much for boys in terms of.
Annie Warshaw:Teaching them how to be emotionally literate so that they can be real
Annie Warshaw:allies and show up for girls not to be pessimistic, but like, if we're not
Annie Warshaw:doing that, we're never going to reach equity in the way that we want to.
Annie Warshaw:Uh, you know, so my.
Annie Warshaw:There's like three things that if my sons do, I will feel like an accomplished
Annie Warshaw:parent first being voting, like that's hands down, they have to do that.
Annie Warshaw:And then the other one is like, I never want them to be a burden to
Annie Warshaw:whoever their partner is in terms of cleaning like this whole, like women
Annie Warshaw:meant to load, you know, all that, like that's skills that have been taught.
Annie Warshaw:I want them to be in a partnership and be able to look in a kitchen, look around.
Annie Warshaw:Oh, look, that thing was left out.
Annie Warshaw:I'm going to go put it away without being told.
Annie Warshaw:That is how I will say I love it.
Annie Warshaw:You know, that's not fair to their, if they have a female
Annie Warshaw:partner not fair to them.
Annie Warshaw:And then that that's like a snowball effect of like all these other
Annie Warshaw:things that will be a burden to her, which will keep her from progressing
Annie Warshaw:perhaps in her own life, in the way that she wants professionally.
Annie Warshaw:Yeah.
Annie Warshaw:And then the other piece is, you know, obviously they have to be a good,
Annie Warshaw:outstanding human who's like, can have, I want them to be able to have like
Annie Warshaw:real strong relationships with other men where they can talk about their feelings.
Annie Warshaw:So for the boys, that's like my goal.
Annie Warshaw:Um, those are wonderful goals.
Annie Warshaw:Yeah.
Annie Warshaw:I mean, and we all benefit from that.
Annie Warshaw:Um, but for the, the question about gender equity, I mean, Within to that, right?
Annie Warshaw:Like it's not just about women advancing it's about men being
Annie Warshaw:able to be fully realized humans, which ultimately benefits women.
Annie Warshaw:I mean, obviously there's huge links between like toxic masculinity and
Annie Warshaw:violence against women or the male gaze and how women view their own bodies.
Annie Warshaw:But for me, ultimately, you know, gender equity is about getting
Annie Warshaw:rid of patriarchy and maybe.
Annie Warshaw:Not just opportunity, but everyone, no matter their gender identity is
Annie Warshaw:treated with fairness and kindness, and doesn't matter who they are and
Annie Warshaw:are afforded the same opportunities and can live freely in the same way.
Annie Warshaw:So I can kind of
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:curious, like as parents and looking at schools
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:or programs or environments, are there things that we should look for?
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:That are characteristics of a place that values gender equity
Annie Warshaw:From a high level sort of, you know, district-wide, I think a
Annie Warshaw:lot of schools or districts are moving towards like an equity framework.
Annie Warshaw:But oftentimes I think that that's still steeped in either racial
Annie Warshaw:diversity or ethnic diversity.
Annie Warshaw:And I don't see as much cognitive awareness around gender.
Annie Warshaw:So something as simple as like, what kind of language are they using?
Annie Warshaw:Is it like gender inclusive?
Annie Warshaw:Um, do they have a gender inclusive bathroom?
Annie Warshaw:And this to me is in the elementary school that should exist.
Annie Warshaw:And if they don't, what is their plan for that?
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:I just want to interject that.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:I would love that.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:I think, I mean, I feel like everyone's learning as we go along, but I, I
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:witnessed so many, elementary school students that are clearly on a journey
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:and having a gender neutral bathroom, which would just make it easier.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:And I, and I think more respectful to them.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Yeah.
Annie Warshaw:Cause I do feel like people, I starting at least
Annie Warshaw:in middle school, but I have not really seen it in elementary schools.
Annie Warshaw:I agree.
Annie Warshaw:I mean, through the old mission, probably.
Annie Warshaw:Yeah.
Annie Warshaw:I mean, we've had, we had so many non-binary students, uh, you
Annie Warshaw:know, starting in kindergarten.
Annie Warshaw:Um, In terms of what a classroom, I mean, the books that are selected.
Annie Warshaw:Oh yeah.
Annie Warshaw:Um, you know, and, and if your teacher might not be.
Annie Warshaw:They might be very well-intentioned it just like not, no, like, I think as a
Annie Warshaw:parent, like being like, oh, I heard about this really great book that has a gender
Annie Warshaw:fluid character or something like that.
Annie Warshaw:because you know, I can think about like my son's preschool teachers
Annie Warshaw:and they're lovely people, but I know they're not like, let me go
Annie Warshaw:find them was LGBTQ friendly books, but I know about all those books.
Annie Warshaw:So I'm more than happy to be like, this is a really funny book or whatever.
Annie Warshaw:so I think the converse and then also, you know, the.
Annie Warshaw:History is being framed, how they're talking about different events.
Annie Warshaw:Like I know there's a lot of debate going on around critical race theory.
Annie Warshaw:I'm a trained historian.
Annie Warshaw:And for me, I care, like I always, study like social history.
Annie Warshaw:So like, what were everyday women doing during this time period or whatever it is.
Annie Warshaw:So, you know, a history teacher.
Annie Warshaw:Does not have to integrate or implement, sorry.
Annie Warshaw:Rather like a specific curriculum.
Annie Warshaw:They can talk about like ordinary people and what they were doing and give more
Annie Warshaw:perspective on, That there were other people in history besides white men, um,
Annie Warshaw:without it being controversial, honestly.
Annie Warshaw:, so, you know, when you're talking about like, what were women's roles
Annie Warshaw:during the American revolution or whatever, it's not a controversial
Annie Warshaw:thing, but, um, so yeah, so there are many things teachers could be doing.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Absolutely.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:So I'm curious what, as we're thinking about.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:the ways our environments can support or hinder our efforts.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:How do you feel about like my I'm a big manners person, but related to that,
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:my parents were always like, might to my brother, you open doors for women.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:, to me, uh, when you're on a date, you should expect the guy to pay.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Um, so how do we reconcile?
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Kind of manners and etiquette and, and the potential for
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:reinforcing in equitable roles.
Annie Warshaw:I mean, to me, it's about, you should be opening the door for anyone
Annie Warshaw:because it's the kind of thing to do.
Annie Warshaw:Like, it doesn't matter who they are and if you don't want to open the door,
Annie Warshaw:you're not opening the door for anyone.
Annie Warshaw:So to me, it's more about like, if you're.
Annie Warshaw:Teaching those values from day.
Annie Warshaw:One about like, here are manners that we treat all people with.
Annie Warshaw:It's not going to be a conversation ever around like, well, you're a boy,
Annie Warshaw:so you need to open the door for a girl.
Annie Warshaw:I see someone who needs a door open.
Annie Warshaw:I opened the door for them.
Annie Warshaw:Like I don't assess.
Annie Warshaw:Oh, well, that man has strong arms.
Annie Warshaw:He couldn't do it himself.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:You know, I'm going to wait for this
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:man to open the door for me.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Like, yeah,
Annie Warshaw:no you do.
Annie Warshaw:I, when I have a stroller, when people open a door for me yeah.
Annie Warshaw:Because that's the right thing to do.
Annie Warshaw:You see a person struggling, you help them, you know?
Annie Warshaw:So like that's the values.
Annie Warshaw:And I think those are the conversations you can have with your kids of
Annie Warshaw:like, what are general values that you believe in as a family?
Annie Warshaw:And how do you show up for other people using them?
Annie Warshaw:We, as a family, have a family values that like we talk about and
Annie Warshaw:all decisions are made based off of.
Annie Warshaw:And that, you know, I think when you have something to go back to in that way,
Annie Warshaw:then you can, when you're having those harder conversations, you can talk about
Annie Warshaw:like, well, does it align with this?
Annie Warshaw:What does this look like in real life?
Annie Warshaw:and you can talk about that, especially, you know, your kids are old enough where
Annie Warshaw:you can have that actual conversation.
Annie Warshaw:Whereas with toddlers, I'm going to be talking about.
Annie Warshaw:Hey, I'm carrying this really heavy thing and I can't hold the door right up and
Annie Warshaw:you hold it for me to help them learn.
Annie Warshaw:Like, this is what you do to help other people out.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Right.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Family values.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:We were just talking about kind of using our next big family dinner to each
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:contribute, different things that we want to be on the family values list.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:So hearing you say that.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Synchronicity like the universe telling me, or they, I
Annie Warshaw:love that you're going to have them involved.
Annie Warshaw:Right.
Annie Warshaw:Because then they can feel more ownership over.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Yeah.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Yeah.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:So, so much good stuff.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:For some reason, one aha moment for me, one point that really resonated was that
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:in addition to empowering our daughters, we need to support emotional literacy
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:and boys and teach them how to be allies.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:I know this on a gut level, like I know how important it is and how good
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:it feels to have a supportive partner, but how is the mass media, retail
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:culture, our systems and structures, et cetera, really encouraging that.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:I'm optimistic that a lot of today's parents have this on their radar.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:It actually reminded me of my friend's son.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:She has three daughters and one son.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:And when she found a hair rubber band in his backpack and asked him about it,
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:he said he carried it just in case one of the girls, his sisters needed it.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:How amazing is that?
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:And think how much easier, safer and fairer would the world be for girls
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:and women, if that kind of empathy and thoughtfulness was more widespread.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:So to recap the key takeaways from my chat with Annie, number one,
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:we want our kids to question us.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:It may sometimes feel like disagreement or maybe even rebelliousness, but if we
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:want our kids to thoughtfully question things outside of the home, whether
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:it's school, their activities in the workplace and in society, they have
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:to feel safe asking questions of you.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:If we shut them down, they'll learn that their voices aren't valid.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Number two.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:If we want gender equity, we need to not just support girls, but
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:support boys and becoming emotionally literate so they can become allies
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:and are aware of alternatives to messages of toxic masculinity.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Gender equity is not just about women advancing it's about men.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Being able to be fully realized humans it's about everyone, no
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:matter their gender identity, being treated with fairness and kindness,
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:having the same opportunities and being able to live freely.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Number four.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Being aware of gender equity means noticing the language that's used the
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:presence of gender neutral options, like bathrooms and the books and media
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:that are available to us and our kids.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:And number five, come up with a list of family values that you and your family
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:can use to help guide decisions and actions, things like kindness, fairness.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:Applying these to everyone, regardless of gender essentially takes a
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:gender neutral approach and that helps foster equitable relations.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:To learn more about mission propel and the gender equity consulting
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:and coaching they provide.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:You can visit mission propel.com.
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Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:That's P R O P E L L E on Instagram.
Carmelita (Cat) Tiu, Host:And for information about youth Alliance yoga, go to youth Alliance, yoga.com.
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