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If you've ever looked up your birth chart online, you may have noticed a symbol on the chart called the Lot or Part of Fortune. You may also have heard that there are other kinds of Lots, such as the Lot of Spirit or Lot of Eros. But what do they mean? How are they calculated? How do you actually use them to interpret a birth chart? Astrologer Milo Offerein joins the podcast to answer these questions, and more.
The Lot of Fortune is a calculated point which takes the distance between the Moon and Sun and projects it from the ascendant. It signifies the material circumstances of your life and often points to an area of life that will hold special importance and where significant life events will take place.
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Hello this is astrology hotline. I'm Kyle Pierce and joining me today is my low
Speaker:Offerein. I'm gonna butcher this are nine you just I just asked you about it too. Okay Milo Offerein
Speaker:allow for us to be yes. Thank you for for joining me this is actually the first
Speaker:the first time you've been like an official guest on the show however if listeners may recognize you
Speaker:from the wedding fiascos episode you were asked to the secret is out. i It's me ash, the one with
Speaker:the disaster wedding. Yes.
Speaker:Such a good episode. Yeah. I really enjoyed that one. I love everything. You're talking about event
Speaker:charts. giochi great guests. So, an honor that was a fun one. Yeah. i i That was one of my favorite
Speaker:episodes. Honestly.
Speaker:We are just kicking off Mercury retrograde. recently. I don't know how you've been feeling this one.
Speaker:But one thing I noticed in the news that I thought was kind of hilarious is that Wendy's apparently
Speaker:is now offering
Speaker:like a Mercury Retrograde menu or like like free food. During Mercury Retrograde it's like starting
Speaker:now. And it is a Mercury Retrograde in Taurus. I
Speaker:just found very amusing when these is giving out free food for Mercury retrograde. That's amazing.
Speaker:Yeah, every restaurant should do that from now on. I know. I think it's setting a precedent and also
Speaker:seems like the like
Speaker:mercury retrograde in Taurus thing to do to like soothe the Mercury Retrograde
Speaker:troubles cream. Yeah, just like a free frosty. You know, enjoy. Very helpful. I have only been
Speaker:noticing it a little bit here and there. Like, I mean, I've been noticing I've been getting like
Speaker:three versions of the same email from people being like, sorry, the last email link didn't work.
Speaker:Here's anyone. Sorry, that was the wrong link. You know, that kind of classic. So yeah. Oh, yeah.
Speaker:And then a funny one that seemed especially Taurus is that I
Speaker:usually take a lot of notes, like making presentations, or like learning or whatever, I'm in school.
Speaker:And so I went to the cafe to take some notes on a presentation I'm going to be doing next week. And
Speaker:I bought these new pens and they turned out accidentally to be light gray ink. So like you couldn't
Speaker:see the notes on the page. Now that was funny because usually I feel like taking analog notes is
Speaker:kind of like a helpful thing during Mercury Retrograde but not in Taurus. Mercury has come in for
Speaker:your art supplies like the ink will be yeah
Speaker:that's
Speaker:I feel like
Speaker:I think you said something recently about like trying to escape the Mercury Retrograde by like not
Speaker:using technology just like going analog but it's like
Speaker:get lucky. Turns out if Mercury rules talking thinking walking Yeah, by
Speaker:taking the bus like there's like there's no escape there is no escape we do we exist. We
Speaker:we always have to connect in one way or another we are human. Yeah. Inevitable. But my like, initial
Speaker:thought about it was like wow, like this is like astrology might be like, it's becoming such a more
Speaker:popularized thing. Now like Mercury Retrograde has like moved into like common parlance, which I
Speaker:find really interesting. I had like one of my,
Speaker:like a boss, just bring up are here retrograde as like a thing in relevance to like a little like
Speaker:email debacle that we had. And I was like, Oh, wow, like, everybody really knows what this is now.
Speaker:Yeah, they're paying attention. Yeah. Yeah. Mercury retrograde and Saturn Return. Those are like the
Speaker:two things that I'm noticing more and more kind of like in the common culture. Yeah, we'll talk
Speaker:about it. And it's funny because sometimes mercury will be retrograde. Yeah. Or it won't be your
Speaker:Saturn Return and yet life still happens. There's a lot of other stuff going on. Oh, yeah. But I do
Speaker:like that people will be like, is Mercury retrograde? Is it my Saturn Return? What's happening?
Speaker:Yeah, does that let me tell us all this exactly. Um, well, I'll free frosty after this. Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Sears, I know. I want to see what they actually are offering because I want to
Speaker:take advantage of that.
Speaker:But real quick, before we dive into our question for today.
Speaker:Why don't you tell the audience just a little bit about who you are. So share. High on the spot.
Speaker:Yeah, I am an astrologer. With especially I think it's probably not going to come as a surprise.
Speaker:But I kind of have like a Hellenistic and medieval focus in my astrology.
Speaker:I love doing synastry I love having a clear focus as well.
Speaker:I have been a professional astrologer maybe for two and a half years at this point, although long,
Speaker:long time astrology fan like back to my teenage years.
Speaker:I remember Yeah, like taking out library books when I was 16. Or I remember I actually was pregnant
Speaker:as a teenager. And so I had my first kid when I was 18. And I remember like interrogating the nurse,
Speaker:like what is the exact time, I didn't know my exact time at birth, but I was like, my kid is going
Speaker:to know their rising sign.
Speaker:Anyway, outside of astrology,
Speaker:I have a background in social work. So I've done lots of work in like transgender health, and like
Speaker:queer education, like doing presentations in schools and things like that. And I'm also a forest
Speaker:therapy Guide, which is a very gentle trauma informed like wandering in the woods to heal type of a
Speaker:modality.
Speaker:And I have some dreams of being able to kind of integrate astrology and forest therapy together in
Speaker:the future. So we'll see.
Speaker:I think there's several easy inroads that you'll find I think there's what if it was night? What if
Speaker:we went walking at night? Oh, there you go.
Speaker:Um, well, thanks so much for joining me today, Milo. And
Speaker:I kind of brought you on today, because I know you've, you've dealt a lot with the subject of our
Speaker:question, which our question for today comes from Chris. And she asks,
Speaker:Chris writes, I know the lot of Fortune is supposed to be important for a lot of different timing
Speaker:techniques. But what exactly does it mean? Also, what other lots are worth paying attention to?
Speaker:There are so many of them, I find it all rather confusing.
Speaker:Thanks so much for your question, Chris. And I feel you to be honest, I also have and still run into
Speaker:a bit of confusion about the watts.
Speaker:There are a lot of them.
Speaker:There are lots of lots.
Speaker:Anyway, for you to your listener, we got a lot of thoughts on a lot, we got a lot of like it. All
Speaker:right.
Speaker:See how far we can take this.
Speaker:Fortunately,
Speaker:we could probably say that some lots are like more important than other lots maybe are more
Speaker:relevant.
Speaker:I almost like think of it as the fixed stars, there's like, there's your big, bright, fixed stars,
Speaker:your royal fixed stars, you know, the ones that like, like, if you don't read them in the chart,
Speaker:you're you're missing something big. And then you got like your little ones that like add color.
Speaker:Add like a more subtle influence that if you were to overlook, you wouldn't like, miss out on the
Speaker:big story. But
Speaker:yeah, that there's,
Speaker:I would say,
Speaker:a hierarchy to lots to some degree. Yeah, I agree. I mean, there are the lots which are called the
Speaker:hermetic lots, which is basically like seven lots one for each of the traditional planets. But even
Speaker:like within those, it's pretty like commonly believed that the lot of fortune and a lot of spirit as
Speaker:the lots of the sun and the moon are the most important.
Speaker:And then the lot of Fortune even more so is given kind of like the status as a place of life like
Speaker:alongside the ascendant and the sun and moon. It depends on kind of what era we're looking at. I
Speaker:know that in Hellenistic astrology, a lot of time the places of life were, what does that ascendant,
Speaker:Sun Moon, pre natal, lunation, and a lot of fortune, and then that kind of like change over time in
Speaker:medieval where they started looking at the ascendant and the midheaven and then whichever one is
Speaker:your second flight, and a lot of fortune but still a lot of Fortune made the cut over the moon, like
Speaker:in a lot of medieval stuff. So totally, I mean, you It's like one of the default
Speaker:placements in most like most charts you have calculated online, a lot of fortune will show up,
Speaker:though. I know like, especially when I was getting into astrology it like I didn't really, I didn't
Speaker:know what it meant.
Speaker:I remember hearing that like, oh, it's it's a place where you're lucky, like the fortunate place.
Speaker:And
Speaker:while that that maybe can be true, there's maybe a little more nuance to it.
Speaker:A lot more maybe.
Speaker:There is a lot of nuance to it. Yeah.
Speaker:So it's interesting, actually, you bring that up, I think that's maybe like one of the most
Speaker:contentious, like conversations around the lot of fortune or, like, at least like highly debated of
Speaker:like, does a lot of Fortune bring fortune to the place that it is in the chart? Or is it a indicator
Speaker:of how bad or good your fortune will be? Right. And I think that, knowing that it's a lot of the
Speaker:moon is like really helpful and kind of like, you know, digging through those weeds a little bit.
Speaker:Because if we think about, like, if there's a planet conjunct the moon, the moon actually does bring
Speaker:fortune, yeah, in like the place that it is in the chart, like the Moon brings fortune there.
Speaker:However, it's also vulnerable, right? Or like porous. And so like, if you have Moon conjunct Saturn
Speaker:or Mars, right, then we might go ooh, like, that looks a little ouchy for the moon. But also,
Speaker:perhaps the moon has that like soothing or bombing response sometimes, right? It's kind of like an
Speaker:interplay of the two. And so I think the lot of Fortune is kind of similar, that like, it does try
Speaker:to bring fortune to wherever it is in the chart. However, if it is conjunct Saturn or Mars, or if
Speaker:it's in, like, quote, unquote, dark house or something like that, like, then it's going to show that
Speaker:like, maybe a lot of fortune will have a little bit more difficulty, like, really like creating
Speaker:fortune that we can recognize. I know we have that negativity bias as human beings anyway. And so if
Speaker:we have a little bit of good in an otherwise sucky part of our life, sometimes it's hard pressed to
Speaker:see that good. But it can still be there. For sure. Yeah, I think it probably helps to think of
Speaker:fortune, we tend to use fortune, in terms of positive like fortune means like, a good things
Speaker:happening to you. Fortunate, like as it's a word, it could be good or bad. And I think that tells
Speaker:you a lot, actually about the lot of fortune.
Speaker:I'm going to stop giggling about that eventually, but it is the light of the moon, right?
Speaker:Which
Speaker:adds to basically its relevance as like a
Speaker:making things happen, like a concrete decision of like events and things around that point. could
Speaker:say, but before we really dig into what it means, he was talking about, like, what, how is the word
Speaker:of Fortune calculated? Oh, sure. Lots in general calculated? Yeah. So what a lot is, is a
Speaker:mathematical calculation, basically. So you're not gonna look up in the sky and be like, Ah ha,
Speaker:there it is the Transiting a lot of fortune.
Speaker:You know, similar to like the notes, it's something that doesn't actually exist as like a physical
Speaker:thing. It's a calculation and even like, more so than the nodes, which actually are transiting in
Speaker:the same place for everyone, like the lots are so personal to our charts, because you measure the
Speaker:distance between two points in the chart, usually between two planets, like say, a sun in the moon,
Speaker:and then you take that same distance, and measure
Speaker:from the ascendant. And so that means that for every person, you know, if your Ascendant is like,
Speaker:five minutes different than someone else, then a lot of Fortune is gonna be five minutes different,
Speaker:even if we're measuring the same distance. And then, of course, the additional kind of like a
Speaker:randomizer. Is the sect related reversals? Right, which is that if you're born during the day, you'd
Speaker:measure one way, if you're born during the night, you measure the other.
Speaker:So meaning, like,
Speaker:hopefully I'm correct. I've sun to moon for day and Moon to sun for the night for a lot of fortune.
Speaker:I believe that's correct. I was pretty sure you start with the light and then you measure to the
Speaker:light that's out of sect. Yeah. Which is like there is some, some debate maybe modern wise, like in
Speaker:more in modern forms of astrology,
Speaker:which I was spending a lot of time thinking about this recently of just like how the lats are
Speaker:calculated.
Speaker:But a lot of fortunate was like, supposed to be the lot of the, like the moon, and like Moon related
Speaker:things and kind of what the moon does.
Speaker:To like, reverse that calculation. It's, it almost like suggests that the sun takes on the role of
Speaker:the moon in a night chart.
Speaker:Right? Not to throw a wrench in our whole understanding of these things. But but it's one of those
Speaker:things that like, I can't help but like get a little snagged on I'm like, well, huh, like, Is that
Speaker:how it should work? I think that's what's interesting about the lats in general is you do get it, it
Speaker:does get rather theoretical, totally. And there's even different
Speaker:and astrologers in the past who did things differently? Like, I'm pretty sure. Ptolemy didn't
Speaker:reverse for saying, Yeah,
Speaker:I think that's right. And forgive me everyone, if I get anything wrong, please leave all these
Speaker:conflicts as I'm talking just to make sure that I'm not giving you bad information. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker:but even in like the historical tradition, you see some astrologers, not reversing for sect, you see
Speaker:some astrologers being like, like, especially when we get to a lot of arrows, which is often like
Speaker:the third, big lot alongside a lot of fortune and a lot of spirit that we see calculated. Sometimes,
Speaker:people would do like a lot of what's called a lot of bases calculation, which is from from lot of
Speaker:fortune to a lot of spirit from the ascendant, and then call that a lot of arrows. Other times
Speaker:people would do like, a Venus to moon or Venus or Saturn or,
Speaker:you know, there's like different like, well, what kind of arrows are we talking about? Are we
Speaker:talking about romantic relationships? Are we talking about pleasure in general, you know, there's
Speaker:all these kind of finicky ways that people would measure a lot. But to make sure that this is not
Speaker:immediately overwhelming you from like, step one, I would say like,
Speaker:my approach to the lats has always been to either choose an astrologer, or a tradition that makes
Speaker:sense to me, and just kind of like route there. Right. And to see what comes up, because something
Speaker:about lots that I think is kind of special about them is their very driven story. And I mean, even
Speaker:the background of the word, right, it comes from clear ROI, or like ClearOS
Speaker:in Greek, which means, like a divinatory. Kind of like drawing of dominoes or straws, or, you know,
Speaker:have locks, which is, you know, kind of like, like tarot cards. So we have today is like a similar
Speaker:like, you draw a little like stone out of a bag, and that has, whatever marking is on it has
Speaker:something to say about your destiny. Like, there's like that metaphor is really strong, because I
Speaker:think because there's so many lats. And because the likelihood that you're actually going to
Speaker:calculate any specific one is pretty rare. It means that like when you come at the chart with a
Speaker:really specific question, like the lats are kind of this divinatory way that we can get the chart to
Speaker:speak to us that isn't otherwise obvious, right? Yeah, this might be jumping way ahead. But when it
Speaker:comes to some of the like, smaller or rarer lats, if you read in the like medieval Islamic
Speaker:tradition, they'll have these basically like a formulas or methods of which they would approach a
Speaker:really specific question like finding the lord of hidden knowledge, which is a when that they would,
Speaker:you know, if someone comes to an astrologer saying I think I have spiritual or psychic powers of
Speaker:some sort, and what am I supposed to do with that? They would be like, Okay, we're going to look at
Speaker:Mercury, we're going to look at a lot of religion, we're gonna look at a lot of deep wisdom and
Speaker:understanding, we're gonna look at a lot of this, you know, we're gonna look at the second
Speaker:triplicity, Lord of night, etc, right? And, and then kind of find the Ellen newton of all of those
Speaker:things. And so it's like this really specific technique that they would use. Yeah. Which reminds me
Speaker:kind of like how a Tarot Spread works, right? Like, you'll have a Tarot Spread. And you'll be like,
Speaker:Okay, this card in this position is answering this question, this card in this position is answering
Speaker:this question. And lots, it's kind of like a way of doing that on your chart, you can go, like, I
Speaker:want to dive really deep into this one specific topic. And then you can generate three to five lots
Speaker:that have like, some unique thing to say about it. And it's, it's this divinatory thing, that's not
Speaker:always going to be in your chart, other than when you calculate them. Yeah. Does that make sense?
Speaker:Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I think you
Speaker:hit on it nicely to is like this idea that, like, we use the term like our, your lot in life, or
Speaker:your, this idea of things that are not necessarily like in your control, or like even how,
Speaker:how much of something you are allotted.
Speaker:And I find particularly a lot of Fortune useful for identifying things like that, like, it'll tell
Speaker:you a lot about how
Speaker:we'll get into a planet's relationship with say, a lot of fortune or maybe other lots, even for
Speaker:calculating something like the Lord of hidden knowledge, like well is like this planet looking at
Speaker:the lot. It's the planet that rules that looking at a lot, you know, or, or is mercury configured to
Speaker:the lot or you know, that will tell you something.
Speaker:So it's sort of like it helps connect
Speaker:things in a way that wouldn't be obvious otherwise. But it does have this kind of special faded
Speaker:quality to it where it's
Speaker:I just sort of like how, how the cookie crumbles, you know, for you to some degree.
Speaker:I wanted to correct myself earlier real quick are us maybe? Sure.
Speaker:The lot of
Speaker:I did, we didn't give the calculations backwards. Yeah, so the lot of fortune by day is the
Speaker:ascendant degree plus the moon minus Saturn, us the sun, minus the sun
Speaker:night chart is ascendant, minus the moon plus the sun. So like it's still, in both cases, moon
Speaker:first, like Moon as like the starting point of the calculation, it's just a matter of whether you go
Speaker:backwards and degrees from the ascendant or if you go forward. And I think that is the same as what
Speaker:we were saying before, but said, in a different lexicon that maybe makes why the Moon is kind of
Speaker:like the foundation of the calculation for both. Yeah, yeah, I think the way I was, I was explaining
Speaker:it and thinking about it was based on an inaccurate presumption. So I want to clear clear that so
Speaker:that I'm split well, and then that brings me to reading interesting thing about like,
Speaker:sometimes people have talked about, like, the nocturnal SEC being more associated with like,
Speaker:retrogradation or going backwards, you know, the nodes are always moving backwards, which are
Speaker:associated with the moon. And
Speaker:yeah, and then also kind of like, interesting Venus retrograde stuff that happens. So.
Speaker:Yeah, some thinking about it in that way of like, are we going backwards or forwards from the moon?
Speaker:That is an interesting kind of sect connection? Potentially. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in, in this might not
Speaker:be true, actually, for all the lots. But they're all basically like a planet, two planets, or more,
Speaker:I guess, in some cases, but the distance between the planet and then, sorry, the distance between
Speaker:two planets, but like, projected backwards and forwards from the ascendant. Yeah, it's been kind of
Speaker:the essential formula. So it's like always, it's taking the relationship between two planets, which
Speaker:will be the same for a lot of different people around a different period of time. But the Ascendant
Speaker:is always changing. So
Speaker:you're always going to get that a lot in, you're going to get that lat and like a different sign.
Speaker:Depending on when you were born. However, you may, there may be like a bit more of a might be
Speaker:getting ahead of ourselves, but the
Speaker:you'll tend to get it in the same house, perhaps or it's always going to be like the same distance.
Speaker:Depending on how fast the point no question is moving.
Speaker:Yeah, there's actually there's this
Speaker:formula, or
Speaker:I think it's like a Excel sheet or something that Patrick Watson had for sale for awhile. I don't
Speaker:know if it's still up. But it's called the
Speaker:LOD calculations in twins. And it's supposed to give you basically, if you have twins, and you're
Speaker:trying to see what are the differences between their two birth charts, because only born like 10
Speaker:minutes apart, you can kind of plunk their two birth times in, and it'll spit out where their lots
Speaker:are different from each other. And then sometimes you can really kind of grab on to those to tell an
Speaker:interesting story of like, how the two twins have a different experience. And I'm like, yeah, so
Speaker:that's like, yeah, because they're so personal. Sometimes the ascendant can change science for
Speaker:twins, but often it doesn't. And yet, it's not like their lives are totally identical. You see, like
Speaker:a lot of strong archetypal similarities, often in twins. And yet, there's still places where it's
Speaker:like, oh, this twin is having a much harder time in life in this area, or this twins having a much
Speaker:easier time in life in this area. And sometimes the locks can be an interesting way to kind of like,
Speaker:tell that story or like juice it up a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker:I guess what I've been finding interesting about took with a lot of fortune and spirit lately is
Speaker:that, like, if you were for myself, like I was, I'm about I'm a full moon baby, right?
Speaker:Which means that like, when you calculate my lot of fortune, or my a lot of spirit, or anybody that
Speaker:was born like the same day as me, they're going to tend to have those lots placed in the seventh
Speaker:house.
Speaker:You know, it might be the sixth house or the eighth depending on like how close the, depending on
Speaker:the mass fact in the math and like where you're sending a degree is exactly, but it sort of hints
Speaker:that like, at like, to some degree what a full moon is, it's like an opposition between the lights,
Speaker:but it creates a paradigm in a person's life that has very much that will revolve around like
Speaker:seventh house or sixth house or eighth house topics like other people become like more relevant or
Speaker:just those relationships or those
Speaker:themes of life because like that is where
Speaker:It adds like a center of gravity in those areas.
Speaker:But also when it comes to timing, right, you end up with certain timing techniques, we'll focus on
Speaker:the locks, as Chris mentioned, but it can signify like having big periods of your your life sort of
Speaker:run by the planets in those houses or the planets ruling them. So, yeah, yeah. And I always think
Speaker:it's interesting, too, that a full moon and a new moon, in Hellenistic astrologers would call that
Speaker:like being under the bond or in the bond or something. Yeah.
Speaker:And yeah, it's because a lot of fortune and a lot of spirit will be like, right with the ascendant
Speaker:or the descendant. And so it kind of really, like, creates vulnerability, I think, sometimes in the
Speaker:life because you have so many eggs in one basket of like, transcendent and your lot of Fortune are
Speaker:like right there next to each other or descendant.
Speaker:And so yeah, you could, because that's kind of what the commentary often was about newer full moons
Speaker:is that there's like something kind of vulnerable there. You know, when when looking at the moon.
Speaker:And I think that the lots kind of can tell us some interesting stuff around that, because it means
Speaker:Yeah, anytime you get a transit to that angle, you're also getting a transit to the lot, it kind of
Speaker:like doubles it up. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:It sort of gets me it's actually something that you suggested once, I think, a long time ago, that
Speaker:you were talking about how, when two planets are conjunct.
Speaker:It basically means that if you run a lot calculated based on the relationship with those two
Speaker:planets, you are, you're always going to get it on the ascendant. Totally. And so if you have any
Speaker:two planets conjunct in your chart, the mixture of those two archetypes is going to be really
Speaker:important for your personality, like no matter where they are in the chart, because yeah, there lots
Speaker:are going to be right on your standard. Yeah, something that.
Speaker:I think it was actually Austin Copic said that when he did his, like planetary pairs talk at
Speaker:Norwalk.
Speaker:He would, he said, and also, you know, these are the losses that they make. And that that was kind
Speaker:of oh, so interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And, I guess in the way that like, it will, the way they're very
Speaker:personal, and they speak to like, your lot in life to some degree.
Speaker:Like you say, your, there are some aspects that last a long time, and maybe will speak to like an
Speaker:entire age group, or like Saturn, and Jupiter will be in the same aspect, by sign at least for up to
Speaker:like a good, you know, a year so like,
Speaker:which means that like the lots calculated from Saturn and Jupiter are always going to be trying so
Speaker:like it will make for that group.
Speaker:Certain, like house area of the chart or certain quadrant of the chart, particularly relevant to
Speaker:those topics, which maybe tells you something about like the aspect to like, Oh, like this is a
Speaker:fifth house dynamic or a ninth house dynamic or like, I don't know, it opens up a lot of interesting
Speaker:doors to like thinking about generational astrology. Yeah. Yeah. And then it also creates that
Speaker:really, contrast between the day and the night chart people, right? Because it's not just are you
Speaker:solar or lunar? It's also like, if you're looking at the lots from Saturn and Jupiter, it's like,
Speaker:Oh, are you the fourth house or the 10th? House person? Or, you know, like, they're it kind of like,
Speaker:it adds a generational flavor to like, what is going on with sect in everyone's charts? Yes, very
Speaker:interesting.
Speaker:And I like and I mean, your lot in life, that's like, so part of the etymology and stuff of this
Speaker:word to like the other place that that word clear ROI, or claros was used,
Speaker:is like in ancient Sparta, it's like how they divided land among people. And so there was this kind
Speaker:of like, almost like, communist esque idea that, like they would divide the land equally in Sparta,
Speaker:and then every citizen would have equal land, and then everyone basically needs to give an equal
Speaker:portion of crops back to the community. So that like, you know, everybody's working, everybody's
Speaker:eating, you know, there was that kind of idea, which I think is how some people think fortune works.
Speaker:It's like, oh, well, we're all born. We all have a body, you know, we all have a life. Therefore,
Speaker:we're born equal. But of course, like this system was like pretty broken even from the beginning, in
Speaker:that like, it only counts for citizens. So bunch of like ethnic groups were excluded in ancient
Speaker:Sparta. A lot of women were excluded. Not all women, but like lots were. And then over time, this
Speaker:kind of clear ROI system broke down more because there'd be like people bequeathing land amongst
Speaker:themselves or like generationally passing land on to like more or less kids and subdividing it. And
Speaker:so then
Speaker:You know, once this system has kind of like degraded for a while, then you have the situation in
Speaker:Sparta where everybody still owes the government the same amount of crops, but you don't have the
Speaker:same land to work with. Right? Yeah. And so that I think is like the other story of like how fortune
Speaker:works in the real world, which is like, if you look at like, Oh, we don't all have the same, like,
Speaker:institutional support to be successful. Right? It's so it I think it tells tells both sides that
Speaker:story, the like, privilege thing, right? If we're talking about fortune, it's like, Yes, we all are
Speaker:alive. That is how we are equal and like, both philosophically and literally, we are equal, right?
Speaker:And then also, we're not treated equally. You know, because of all this kind of like, ways that the
Speaker:system is broken down over time around us. And so a lot of fortune, I think it kind of speaks to
Speaker:that, right? It's a lot in life. Yeah, we're alive. What do you got to work with? Exactly. And
Speaker:that's
Speaker:maybe a good like, starting point would be to just, like, spend some time with a lot of fortune as
Speaker:like, what it does what it means,
Speaker:which we already mentioned, you already mentioned. We, I don't know. Somebody said it, that the it's
Speaker:also like called the lot of the moon, right. And so you get that, like, in Vedic Astrology,
Speaker:at least certain types of it, they treat the moon itself as a sort of secondary ascendant, just like
Speaker:reading from the moon, like, day or night chart doesn't matter if like, this house from the moon,
Speaker:fourth house from the moon will tell you something about fourth house things for the person in their
Speaker:life. Because the moon has that job of Matisse bringing things into material being
Speaker:I always think of like when you breathe out on like a cold winter day, you if you have like a piece
Speaker:of glass yearby onto a window, that the breath of life sort of consolidates and form something
Speaker:physical that can be seen, like, it materializes, which doesn't always happen. If there if there
Speaker:isn't something there for it to materialize on. Nothing really materializes, right? So the moon has
Speaker:that job of like, oh, the breath of like, Whatever, whatever it was Bruton breathed out from the
Speaker:universe, that the moon was there to catch, get sort of brought into very physical, visible,
Speaker:tangible materialization. And the lot of Fortune carries that signification with it. And so
Speaker:you'll get a lot of like reading houses from a lot of fortune as well. And even
Speaker:one thing that I learned from Austin Copic was this one way to use a lot of fortune was just planets
Speaker:with a lot of fortune or planets, in close aspect for a lot of fortune, will tend to show up in like
Speaker:really tangible, literal material ways.
Speaker:Become like visible in a person's life in a more like, literal way. And that is one that I have
Speaker:found has pretty consistently showed up. It's not like, you know, the 100% Perfect rule all the
Speaker:time. But it's one of like, the ways that I tend to use it pretty regularly because otherwise I
Speaker:don't spend a ton of time with lots and part why I brought you here, because I know you've worked
Speaker:them quite a bit.
Speaker:Yeah, well, because having something conjunct the lot of fortune is in a way like having something
Speaker:conjunct your ascendant, like yes, just really loud. Actually, can I can read the little quote about
Speaker:fortune houses from valance.
Speaker:This is like a yeah, that is valance quote from the free translation that you can find online. He
Speaker:said In addition, after finding the place which has been assigned to Fortune, examine the points
Speaker:square with it and the other aspects just as with the angles in the natal chart, the lat itself will
Speaker:be equivalent to the ascendant and will mean life the 10th place from it will be equivalent to the
Speaker:midheaven and will mean rank. The seventh will be the descendant the fourth, the icy, the other
Speaker:places will have the same effects as the 12 places. Some astrologers have mystically hypothesized
Speaker:This part's interesting that the astronomical ascendant and the point square with it are the cosmic
Speaker:angles will have a lot and the point square with it are the natal angles hmm that's very
Speaker:interesting. Yes. Like he's like basically saying that the if you take the lot of fortune as the
Speaker:ascendant and then drive houses from it, that is like where the really literal stuff is gonna come
Speaker:from. And if you use the actual ascendant, like literally where the horizon is, this is a cosmic
Speaker:angles which maybe have like a bit more of a like spiritual or ethereal kind of overtone to them.
Speaker:Yeah. Which I think
Speaker:is
Speaker:speaks to like, what a lot of Fortune is supposed to be, which is a lot like what the moon is, it's
Speaker:like you don't you don't control the body that you're born into. As far as we know, at least, you
Speaker:know, we don't have any, you may have a belief system that says that we do, and I can't prove you
Speaker:wrong. But as far as we know, in terms of when you emerge, like you didn't choose whether or not you
Speaker:have a heart defect, or whether or not, you have all five fingers on both hands, like those are not
Speaker:things that that you got to choose, they're just part of your lot in life. And that is, I think one
Speaker:of the central themes around a lot of Fortune is it's not necessarily stuff that is in your control,
Speaker:it is stuff that
Speaker:kind of happens or befalls you, or is just a circumstance of your life, and, or of your environment
Speaker:that like you're kind of working with, on an ongoing basis. And like if you get support from that,
Speaker:if that is positive, right? If you have like, a really good Jupiter on your lot of fortune, like, I
Speaker:only want to open doors for you, right.
Speaker:But if you have like a really difficult malefic sitting on it, like it might indicate, like, a lot
Speaker:of challenges to like you weren't like, you probably in most cases weren't born to like a super
Speaker:wealthy family if like with a lot of privilege, like the things like that. And I do find that those
Speaker:sorts of delineations
Speaker:tend to resonate pretty well. Like it just kind of gives you a really good idea of like, what the
Speaker:sort of starting.
Speaker:Like,
Speaker:if you're starting a monopoly game, where like everybody gets a different amount of money at the
Speaker:beginning, like like, Oh, you didn't start with you got like, five bucks. And
Speaker:what's the first set of properties?
Speaker:The purple one? I don't know what I'm talking about. I do know of the game Monopoly. I can be a
Speaker:Scottish Terrier, you can be a thimble. Yes, yeah.
Speaker:But yeah, you don't get what is it? Park Avenue. That's the expensive one. Yeah, one, like when you
Speaker:get to like the end game, right? Where everybody, all the properties are sort of bought up. Like, if
Speaker:you don't have like,
Speaker:a monopoly on a couple different sets of properties. You're, you're screwed, like you're not going
Speaker:to win, like, unless you get really, really lucky.
Speaker:Sorry, it's a little harsher than I wanted it to be. But but it's just a fact. Like, if you start in
Speaker:unfortunate, difficult circumstances, it doesn't mean that like you will not succeed at anything.
Speaker:But it's stacks things against you. And it's a lot harder to achieve things. There are those stories
Speaker:of people who do, like overcome those sorts of initial obstacles, but like, it just stacks things
Speaker:against you. And that's a real thing. And I think it's one of the ways that Astrology can account
Speaker:for that, and a way that
Speaker:doesn't have to be like scary and threatening. Because it's not, that's not your fault. You know,
Speaker:it's just like, there's nothing you can do about it. But But yeah, well, I think when it comes to
Speaker:Fortune and the fortune houses, yeah, it talks about literal things. But I think that it is
Speaker:malleable in the way that like, you can make real changes in the real world. Yeah, right. And then
Speaker:it we also we've got our cosmic houses, you know, the ones we're more familiar with, which are kind
Speaker:of like, show us the ideal of like, if we're really, you know, following the path that has been laid
Speaker:out to us all these like things that can happen for us, that's shown in our, like, regular houses
Speaker:that we're used to, I think the fact that those are the ones that most people are familiar with,
Speaker:actually is like, it means that we can just look at the Fortune houses for another, like, reminder
Speaker:or like insight into being like, okay, how can I kind of mush these together? I mean, I have a
Speaker:planet that's conjunct fortune in my chart. It's Jupiter in Virgo in the third house. And so it's
Speaker:interesting to hear and think about it in a either genetic or monolithic way. Because obviously,
Speaker:it's an ethic that is in detriment.
Speaker:Expected Yeah, sure. It shows up in my life really literally, that like, I was raised in this
Speaker:evangelical family. I have 12 younger siblings, so there's like the, you know, Jupiter in the third,
Speaker:lots of siblings. They're all very religious. And so it's this like, it's definitely a blessing.
Speaker:Like, it's like, oh, I have this big family all these like relationships. Like, I grew up loving
Speaker:people, you know, and I feel like a lot of who I am, is like, because of that experience that I had
Speaker:growing up in this like evangelical homeschool, Giganto family. But like, of course, there's also
Speaker:the like, the hard parts of it, which is like, what happens when you don't share the same beliefs?
Speaker:What happens when your parents can't afford extracurriculars for any of you? Because there are
Speaker:simply too many or any not even time, right? Like, what if you just like literally are, if you're
Speaker:dividing your time, more narrowly, because you have all these kids, that way that that can impact
Speaker:your life of like, what feels possible, what feels not possible. And then luckily, it continues to
Speaker:evolve. Of course, as they get older, like my, I continue having like more and more younger
Speaker:siblings.
Speaker:So that number is just like, asterisk, like, maybe there'll be more siblings. This is public. Wow.
Speaker:And so it's
Speaker:always, yeah, it's just like always a fact of life that like, my mom is like always gonna be caring
Speaker:for a newborn baby. Like, if she can no longer birth one, she'll adopt one if she can no longer
Speaker:adopt one. She'll foster one. Yeah, and so like, you know, just like, it changes the way that like,
Speaker:even like my kids having a connection to her as a grandparent, yeah, maybe different than you would
Speaker:usually expect. Because there's just just like, that's just such a literal, always part of my life
Speaker:is that there's just
Speaker:always going to be more siblings. That's insanely literal, too, because it's, it's Jupiter that
Speaker:like, wants to be the world expanding, creating opportunities for your planet. But it's like, in
Speaker:Virgo like, but you have so many siblings, like I can only can only do so much for you right now.
Speaker:Like I have to I my attention is divided between many different material responsibilities. So like,
Speaker:I'll do my best for you. But I, there's a lot to sort out here. You're one of many. And I always
Speaker:feel like putting the disclaimer, anytime I talk about my family is like, I totally love my family
Speaker:unequivocally. I like never tried to sound like I'm complaining just often people that make
Speaker:assumptions like, Wow, what a sappy like, and it's like, yeah, it's as complicated as anyone else's
Speaker:family, I'm sure. Yeah. But the unique complications is
Speaker:I don't really think about this very often. But I do have a planet conjunct my a lot of fortune. But
Speaker:it's Neptune, in Capricorn. So I don't really haven't thought about that much is like, Well, does
Speaker:that even count? So it's like, not a visible planet. But
Speaker:I can say that.
Speaker:If I were to explain my, the circumstances of like my upbringing, it would be extremely confusing
Speaker:and convoluted. And like, hard to articulate. Because there's a lot of
Speaker:a lot of weird, like, relationships between people that would be like, I don't I don't even know
Speaker:where to start. And so I'm not going to but
Speaker:that's the most I could say for for whatever Neptune is doing. I mean, isn't that how most people
Speaker:delineate Neptune anyway? It's like, about what's happening in that house? Yeah. It's just like, oh,
Speaker:yeah, that's what it is. Just maybe why Neptune has something like what, like, cinema and
Speaker:photography will get, you know, associated? For a lot of reasons. That makes sense. But I was just
Speaker:thinking of how like, oh, would just be easier to show you like with, I don't know, be easier to
Speaker:paint it or make a movie about it than to like, try to explain it in detail. Because a lot of it is
Speaker:about the poignant, internal, like map. That's happened. Yeah, ahead. Yeah. Yeah. It is, like,
Speaker:impossible to articulate and is rather
Speaker:illusory, or like subject to your your own subjective duration that may or may not be accurate. You
Speaker:want to know about me? Let's just drop acid and watercolor. Oh, yeah. Yeah, let's do that.
Speaker:Though, I guess I have a lot of formative experiences around the use of hallucinogens. So you know,
Speaker:maybe I need to lean into that some more. Just need to be on acid all the time. And that'll be the
Speaker:path to my fortune. I'm not sure I'm like, for straightforwardly recommending that, but like, you
Speaker:know.
Speaker:Know.
Speaker:But yeah. Carrying on.
Speaker:We do have an example chart of someone with a planet conjunct fortune, which could be useful to hop
Speaker:into, which is the Alex rebec. Example. Yeah. Yeah. dive in to that. Sure. Do you want me to share
Speaker:my screen? We do. Okay, so something funny about the examples that I
Speaker:put together for this conversation, is that I didn't like to do really deep cuts or anything really
Speaker:specific. Like I was scrolling through public charts on Luna. And so you'll notice a lot of the
Speaker:example shirts like start with a because I would just be like, Oh, that's a celebrity. I recognize.
Speaker:Let's check it out.
Speaker:Yeah, it fits perfectly.
Speaker:So, before we were recording, we were talking about Alex Trebek being a Virgo rising. Alright, I
Speaker:should describe for the audio listeners.
Speaker:He's a Virgo rising with Neptune in Virgo as well. Close to the like 28 degrees and in.
Speaker:He's got mercury in cancer retrograde in the 11th hole sign house. He's also a cancer son. So that
Speaker:mercury sun
Speaker:I guess you would not quite count this as a Kazumi, but really close conjunction. Ah, whoo.
Speaker:Depending on which order you some like, that's true. It's within one degree. I consider there to be
Speaker:something there with like within one degree,
Speaker:you know, so let's call it Kazumi. I like that. Yeah. Alex rabac has a Mercury because he seems like
Speaker:he would have a Mercury because he may. He's got a special talent, right? Yeah. So yeah, so Sun,
Speaker:Mercury, conjunction and cancer. And then we've got a Venus in Gemini conjunct the midheaven within
Speaker:one degree as well.
Speaker:And then the lot of fortune, I'm just kind of saying the ones that are stand out to me a lot of
Speaker:fortune is in Taurus in the ninth hole sign house is at five degrees and not too far away. There's a
Speaker:Jupiter Saturn conjunction in Taurus.
Speaker:And so, I thought this is an interesting chart to look at, to just kind of like dive into what's the
Speaker:difference between the ascendant, the cosmic ascendant, if we'll use
Speaker:the natal ascendant, which is awesome, because a
Speaker:lot of Fortune siding
Speaker:and so like for Alex, your back, being a Virgo rising, I think that makes total sense, you know,
Speaker:like, known as somebody who has like, quite quite an intellect.
Speaker:And like that mercury son in the 11th, like, has lots and lots of very faithful fans. Maybe in
Speaker:cancer speaks to some of like, how it felt like a family, you know, ultimate, like Jeopardy fans,
Speaker:maybe that's like how he kind of like experienced that, right. Yeah. But
Speaker:if I jump in real quick, right, yeah, I seeing a lot of guests but I'm just thinking about also the
Speaker:the Deccan without the third deck kind of cancer, which has to do with like this, like
Speaker:overflow of, of like wealth, kind of like the, like having a lot and what do you do with like, the
Speaker:excess, and like, just his job? As like, Jeopardy host part of that was like,
Speaker:giving, the giving out of like wealth to people, you get on the show, you have to compete for it,
Speaker:which there's something with Venus there and the third decan of Gemini, and like the only one can
Speaker:win, yeah, there can be only one like,
Speaker:well, and I think that that Venus when we start looking at Venus as being the lord of fortune,
Speaker:because that's the other thing that the lot of Fortune gives you is gives you a planet that rules
Speaker:that, that takes on that additional signification. Right. And so it's interesting to see how maybe
Speaker:that personal experience of having this big like fan base, that might be what the mercury in the
Speaker:11th is speaking to. But then if we look at the lot of fortune in Taurus, pretty close to this
Speaker:Jupiter Saturn conjunction, it's very like yeah, like you are somebody who has access to material
Speaker:wealth. And like Gibbs is able to like, you know, he made a bunch of money off of having like, 36
Speaker:seasons of the show. It's a show where you give people money, prize money. And then if we look at
Speaker:the ruler, Venus in Gemini, really Angular on the midheaven it's like, well, it's like a trivia game
Speaker:show. Right? So Venus in Gemini, but like a really influential trivia game show. Yeah. speaks more
Speaker:to that. Especially Jupiter in Taurus. But Jupiter Saturn conjunction in Taurus, right. It's like a
Speaker:long running
Speaker:quite like a place that like, yeah, you're giving people sizable chunks of money for their trivia
Speaker:game show knowledge. Yeah, it's just like, I think it shows up. So literally the lot of Fortune
Speaker:stuff in his chart, whereas maybe that mercury Kazemi ruling, the ascendant. Maybe that's more of
Speaker:his, like, personal experience, right? Yeah. Like what the public sees him as,
Speaker:unless you're a fan. I mean, unless you're a fan.
Speaker:Well see, I guess this is how I'm thinking about right now is like the mercury because he has kind
Speaker:of him, you know, and Cassini's will sometimes speak to like, just like, a little like,
Speaker:like, a little slice of special skill and like, some area, um, and like, I'm just thinking about
Speaker:Alex Trebek, and, and like his role on that show like, and probably what made him like, a great host
Speaker:was that like he is was somebody that like, you just felt like he was family. If you
Speaker:watched Jeopardy every day of like, for how many? Like 30 years he was on that show was 36 seasons
Speaker:that he did. Yeah, he was like such a staple and such a like a person that like I like. I liked
Speaker:Jeopardy in part like I don't want to I had no interest. I Drew Carey I liked for other reasons, but
Speaker:as the host of jeopardy, I'm not. I don't know. It. It to me, it seems like Alex Trebek was what
Speaker:made that show like
Speaker:steel like comfortable and like, on a warm even because otherwise, it's just kind of a quiz show.
Speaker:Like, you need sort of like that.
Speaker:Like somebody you want to like have in your home. Alex trek seems like that, like warm, friendly.
Speaker:Presence. But, man, I'm wondering what to think of this Mars. Square the Jupiter Saturn though, too,
Speaker:but
Speaker:that's beside the point. I mean, yeah, there's that really close a lot, especially to Jupiter. It's
Speaker:like part tile square. Marcin Leo in the 12. Yeah, I want to like dig into his love. Do you know
Speaker:anything about his
Speaker:because we've got the moon sextile really tightly the lot of fortune.
Speaker:Which I'm, I would like, just sort of look for something.
Speaker:Maybe like in
Speaker:like some way that like Moon in Pisces shows up in a very, like, literal way in his relationships.
Speaker:Like he, you know, maybe married like a really youthful, dreamy, like, person and
Speaker:his wife as I did one time watch after he passed away. There. I found myself watching a vlog of
Speaker:someone who was going to his estate sale. And she was like flogging being in Alex Terrex mansion and
Speaker:like checking out the different stuff. And something that really maybe could speak a tiny bit to
Speaker:this Mars but probably more just like a Virgo rising thing in general, is he had this whole like
Speaker:garage full of like,
Speaker:woodworking supplies, that was all like super Immaculee organized, like, you know, every, like drill
Speaker:head was you know, in like color coded, leave a little drawer and things like that.
Speaker:And so he did have this like Hobby woodworking hobby.
Speaker:It's funny, you bring up the moon, this can start getting into some of the Fortune houses
Speaker:delineations, too. Because the places that if you're doing houses from the lot of fortune, even
Speaker:though that, you know, bit that we read from valance, he's like emphasizing the angles, from
Speaker:Fortune. But also, there's a lot of emphasis put on the 11th from fortune to as being like the place
Speaker:of acquisitions.
Speaker:And so if this moon in Pisces is the 11th house from the lot of fortune, and then maybe we could
Speaker:also look at that Saturn in Taurus as being the ruler of the 10th from Fortune place, which is
Speaker:Aquarius. Yeah, you know, there's, there's maybe something we could delineate there too, of being
Speaker:like just telling us a bit more about like how it is you came into such notoriety, but especially
Speaker:that moon in the 11th from Fortune, it, it really like underlines what we were already talking about
Speaker:with the Cancerian themes of like, there's this kind of like, family through the TV thing, or like
Speaker:it's like, just like being an iconic part of nostalgia for a lot of people because I know my
Speaker:grandparents, I would go to their house in the trailer park, you know, and they would have Jeopardy
Speaker:on and on their, like black and white TV.
Speaker:Just all the time. It was like, Yeah, Jeopardy or baseball, right? Yeah. Now that is interesting.
Speaker:It's like a,
Speaker:like a, it's lunar, like a lunar presents, but like kind of available to all like, more of like a
Speaker:Piscean. Kind of, like through the the TV sort of bleeding into the lives of new aliens. Like
Speaker:he's also Neptune on the ascendant, which is can have some of that, like, TV persona. Yeah.
Speaker:Interesting. Yeah. Makes sense that we don't know what's going on with that Mars in the 12. Because
Speaker:he's a TV persona.
Speaker:That's all we know about him. Right.
Speaker:But we see Yeah, yeah. Something that I looked at this chart for also, because another place that
Speaker:valance talks about is the eighth from fortune for talking about like manner of death of person. And
Speaker:this was one that I didn't see, I haven't seen shown up. Like as like concretely as some of the
Speaker:others techniques to use a lot of fortune.
Speaker:There could be a little bit here because I'm pretty sure he died of pancreatic cancer. I have let me
Speaker:just check my notes actually have it written in here.
Speaker:I don't know. Yeah, it's a it's a pancreatic cancer. And this is something that is way more
Speaker:associated, I think with just with Virgo in general, right like that's a part of the body ruled by
Speaker:Virgo,
Speaker:what balance looks at like, the
Speaker:sign of the eighth from fortune to look at like what body parts are more at risk. And I haven't
Speaker:heard of anything like really like sciatic or like hip related going on in his life, although
Speaker:potentially the like, Jupiter ruling Sagittarius from that like, first fortune house could speak a
Speaker:bit I know as he was passing away, he was really insisting on like staying on the show. And like,
Speaker:you know, going through, like staying on Jeopardy as long as possible. And there's this interview
Speaker:with him where he's saying, like, I basically can't talk anymore, and like Taurus is associated with
Speaker:the throat. Yeah, and he's like, there's going to be a point where they're going to tell me that
Speaker:like this cannot go on, but I'm going to try to stay as long as I can. So that I there's like
Speaker:something there. But yeah, Saturn Jupiter conjunction in Taurus, which is like, shows like, in the
Speaker:events surrounding while he was dying, like this kind of like, tells a part of that story of how
Speaker:he's like, I'm going to stay and I'm going to, even if I can't talk anymore, like I'm going to try
Speaker:to continue hosting the show. But like, the actual cause of death just seems to be like a ascendant
Speaker:type thing. Yeah.
Speaker:I've run into this like a lot with the, like, sometimes you see eighth house, stuff showing up
Speaker:around death things, whether from Fortune, or from the ascendant, but like, it's hard to, like get
Speaker:real consistent results. But that kind of makes sense, though, too. But the way you described it
Speaker:made a lot of sense, actually happened to have a conjunction of like the almost the exact same
Speaker:degree of Taurus, but I know that like that Deccan is very much about like, maintaining a very
Speaker:consistent, like rhythmic presence, just like doing the same thing.
Speaker:Every time and like, slowly putting in the work and time until, like, the results sort of, like
Speaker:accumulate over time. And just thinking that like, I mean, he was a, he did the same show, every day
Speaker:of the week for God knows how long but just even like as, like, as he's dying, like, Saturn is just
Speaker:like, like, we're gonna, we're gonna keep going, regardless of how I feel, until I literally can't
Speaker:talk anymore. Interesting, wait for that to point out. And like even just being in the ninth house,
Speaker:thinking about, like, the motivation behind that, like, there must have been actually some really
Speaker:like, like, this is a really important thing in the world. Like, I am, like, creating an
Speaker:accessibility of knowledge for the people or like, there must have been some kind of sentiments like
Speaker:that behind it. Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, cuz. Yeah. Like, being in like a staple fixture in people's lives is like,
Speaker:his role in the world.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah. And, and maybe I can really quickly show, Chaka Khan's cart chart as well, just if we're
Speaker:talking about fortune houses, because
Speaker:hers was one that kind of show that when I was thinking about just looking at houses from Fortune
Speaker:again, so she's a Scorpio rising. And she has a lot of fortune in the ninth in cancer, which is
Speaker:pretty close to the moon, and also pretty close to Uranus.
Speaker:But for her, we see the 11th from Fortune, which is Taurus, you've got both been ethics there,
Speaker:Jupiter and Venus retrograde, also Mars as well conjunct Venus. And then in the 10th, from Fortune
Speaker:is the sun in Aries. So like an exalted sun. And I just thought that that was kind of like a nice
Speaker:example that I came across of showing how, like, if we're looking at her chart, from the cosmic
Speaker:angle,
Speaker:you know, we can look at her midheaven in Leo, and it is ruled by an exalted sign. So we're like,
Speaker:cool, but it's, it's in the sixth.
Speaker:There's not a ton of really, there's like a square from Jupiter to the midheaven. So you can know
Speaker:you can see some of that
Speaker:maybe, like promise for theme, but it's really if you look at the 14 houses, like you know, exalted
Speaker:Saturn in the 10th and then you've got both of them in phonetics in the 11th which shows that you
Speaker:know, she got so so many rewards for her music over like decades.
Speaker:Like it really shows like, this is this is how it played out. You know, this is how she like she had
Speaker:that little bit of potential and then she just has like, bam, like she got rewarded for it. And I
Speaker:think it really shows up through the fortune houses.
Speaker:Oh my god, this is actually
Speaker:so you see, like the Jupiter we got another Jupiter in Taurus, actually in the second decade of
Speaker:Taurus, but
Speaker:that would be the fortunate 11th Right. So like the place of accomplishment and achievement.
Speaker:Um and she is
Speaker:well that that deck and in particular of course has this like you know music you know rhythm and
Speaker:sound and like like feel good artsy stuff right? But the second Dugan is like really has a lot of
Speaker:like themes around rhythm. And what's interesting is that she's like known as the like the queen of
Speaker:funk. She says like Mars conjunct Venus and Taurus too, which is interesting like that like
Speaker:funk I love funk music because it is like it plays with rhythm in such a way that like,
Speaker:I feel like it hooks at what tours wants to do, like pokes at steadiness and creates something that
Speaker:steady but like, like sort of drops you and like picks you back up and it's like,
Speaker:I don't know, I fucking funk music or funk music, do more, do more.
Speaker:Sounds from Kyle Pierce.
Speaker:It's only only on Patreon
Speaker:and even just delineating the house of the placement of fortune. It's interesting because we had a
Speaker:ninth house lawyer in Assam a lot of Fortune too. Yeah. Yeah. Like Alex Shabak, had a ninth house a
Speaker:lot of fortune. And it really came in through like, being like about knowledge, right about
Speaker:intellect and about disseminating that. But for her, I think it's much more of kind of spiritual. I
Speaker:mean, like Chaka Khan, her name, she like received from like an A spiritual advisor. And, you know,
Speaker:she she would do like, spots on like celebrity ghost stories and stuff like that, you know, talk
Speaker:about her
Speaker:beliefs, and
Speaker:especially kind of
Speaker:her connection to kind of maybe like African traditional belief systems. And so I think that's like,
Speaker:part of what the lot of Fortune is speaking to, as well as just like her how important spirituality
Speaker:is to her. And then it shows based on the derived houses, we can see how much success she is given
Speaker:materially, which kind of like gives her more of a platform that maybe talks about that stuff that's
Speaker:out there. But even just like the moon in cancer to like, the spirituality that is based on like,
Speaker:ancestral, like, ancestral roots, and like, kind of drawing from like that, that source that
Speaker:reservoir to like,
Speaker:create the spirituality.
Speaker:Just like in terms of
Speaker:like you're looking at, like, just raw, like, signifiers for be like an eminence factor. Totally be
Speaker:having like a dignified ruler, conjunct the lot of fortune, like just right there.
Speaker:While you don't traditionally, they probably wouldn't have loved having it in the ninth just for
Speaker:angularity sake.
Speaker:Yeah, it's technically cadent. And I don't know if that would have been, I don't know, like a ton
Speaker:about Chaka Khan's, like,
Speaker:rise and like the details of her career. But yeah, the ninth house is interesting, because it has
Speaker:like a trial. But it's cadent. And so a lot of times I think they would say like, it's not typically
Speaker:good for material things, but it is good for like your internal world. Yeah.
Speaker:But yeah, totally having this like cancer moon, ruling a lot of fortune, that really like adds
Speaker:additional nuance to what you know, we see she's a Scorpio rising,
Speaker:ruled by Mars in Taurus, that would be give us like, more of like, oh, maybe there's some hard stuff
Speaker:going on with relationships here. It could be like a really straightforward way to look at that. But
Speaker:yeah, that moon in cancer gives like a really different testimony. For sure, yeah. For her like
Speaker:success, just like manifest success. It starts to look a lot more eminent and if you're thinking of
Speaker:it from a lot of fortune, is it like in the fourth on the angles from Fortune you got an exalted
Speaker:Saturn and exalted sun and a dignified in its own sign moon?
Speaker:That that's like a pretty powerful combination. If you're just looking at it from the ascendant,
Speaker:it's in like, the 612 the ninth Yeah, you know, you probably would get a lot out of looking at both
Speaker:themes, but like, it just it does seem to, to beef up the chart in a way like it, it gives it a
Speaker:little more raw. Our than maybe it would otherwise.
Speaker:When, where, I'm curious because like, yeah, my my a lot of Fortune does that to my fortune houses
Speaker:to I have it in a cadent house, and so it kind of brings angularity to those like falling away
Speaker:places. So I'm in cancer rising so Gemini, my 12th house would be my 10th from Fortune. And so even
Speaker:though I don't have planets there, is it just interesting to kind of think about it philosophically
Speaker:like oh, like, there's something about my you know, career or
Speaker:or like what I'm supposed to be doing in the world, which is like, bringing those maybe marginalized
Speaker:topics like more into the open or, you know, there's some kind of delineating we can do they're just
Speaker:even seeing how the, like, if it's your 10th, from Fortune 12, from the ascendant, what does that
Speaker:say if you combine those two things together, and I kind of think about, like, we, if you use whole
Speaker:sign houses, you're used to the midheaven. And I see sometimes like floating, like, maybe into the
Speaker:ninth or the 11th, but a lot of Fortune kind of gives that happening to the ascendant, too. It's
Speaker:like, oh, what would it be look like if your ascendant was in the fifth? Or like, whatever, right?
Speaker:Yeah, you kind of have that opportunity to blend signifiers. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. And I'm just
Speaker:thinking about like, you as a person. How often I've seen you create these, like, really well
Speaker:formatted, like structured, organized presentations of data.
Speaker:Which just seems like benifit Virgo, to me
Speaker:seems like a part that all your whole story, but like,
Speaker:it's it strikes me because like I, you probably saw, if you're watching on video,
Speaker:we had some some notes and stuff. I don't do that. Like I don't create, like really nice notes.
Speaker:That's probably why the show is the way it is sometimes. But
Speaker:to me, I experienced that it's pretty difficult. Oh, yeah. I love I love. I love this. I love having
Speaker:that sort of structuring of data. Or, I would love to have that as a skill. I do not have the South
Speaker:Node in Virgo. And it's like, that's it. Yeah, it's, I've heard nothing. Some people say, like,
Speaker:there's this podcast, the mercury nians, run by Cameron and Stella. I've heard Cameron on there say
Speaker:that, like, you kind of grow into your fortune houses more over time. And that's something I've
Speaker:heard floating around. And I would say that when it comes to thinking of myself as being
Speaker:mercurial versus lunar, right, because Mercury rules my a lot of fortune, the moon rules my
Speaker:ascendant. I would say like, over time, I do see like that shift happening. And there's a few other
Speaker:astrology things that kind of, you know, I was born with Mercury Retrograde, but through secondary
Speaker:progressions, it's kind of station direct. Now, maybe that's helpful.
Speaker:But like, if I think back to when I was younger, I did always want to write stuff down. But I was I
Speaker:didn't even have a notebook to keep it all in. Like, I would just be like writing on the backs of
Speaker:piece of paper, and I'd be like, drawing my calendar for my months, and then losing it and then
Speaker:drawing it again, you know, I didn't have a wall calendar forever. I would draw my own calendar on
Speaker:like the back of a receipt, and then lose it. Like it was totally like, you know,
Speaker:comedic comedic ly disorganized.
Speaker:But over time, I got into bullet journaling, and notion and all these kinds of like, stereotypical
Speaker:productivity, dork type things, and it was like really helpful. I was just like, oh, wow, look at
Speaker:this.
Speaker:And I've always been interested in like, conversation. But like, more and more like, I got hired for
Speaker:a job, when I came out of college to work for that trans health program. And a huge part of it was
Speaker:public speaking. Like, I did, like, two to five public speaking gigs a day sometimes, like it was
Speaker:like, Really, like so much public speaking. I would be like, you know, going from venue to venue
Speaker:talking about stuff. And I when I got into astrology, I was like, okay, my Mercury is in Sagittarius
Speaker:retrograde in the sixth house. Like, how, how is it that I'm somebody who's like, becoming known as
Speaker:like a writer and speaker. Right.
Speaker:And, yeah, I was thinking, I mean, I, I had my Vedic chart done, in that I'm a Gemini rising. So
Speaker:that kind of brings it in. But I thought it was interesting how in tropical Mercury rules a lot of
Speaker:fortune. And so it's like, okay, I can like see here. Mercury is kind of holding some power. Yeah.
Speaker:Well has mutual reception with Jupiter. Also, I've seen Mercury in Sagittarius A lot in people who
Speaker:talk a lot for a living like, like, which, I mean,
Speaker:it's almost like on its surface.
Speaker:It's not a dig at you particularly but like you can just like, I got thick skin. It's okay.
Speaker:Like mercury and Sagittarius is doesn't like seem to
Speaker:prevent talking or like communication or even like effective communication. I think what happens and
Speaker:it probably helps that you have Jupiter in Virgo, to working together is like mercury deals with
Speaker:like, kind of facts and figures and like Gemini, the opposite sign isn't looking for the truth. It's
Speaker:like
Speaker:it just information, you know, doesn't have to be the truth. Many different things can be true at
Speaker:once. While Sagittarius is maybe looking for like a
Speaker:Ah, big truth that, yes, it can be like grandstanding or like preaching. yes to jumping or Yeah,
Speaker:like
Speaker:thinking something's true in the mean like, oh wait, but what about this other thing? Like, oh,
Speaker:well, I don't know, it seems like it would be
Speaker:especially figuring out what is true, you know? Like, uh, yeah, especially my youth I was like, so
Speaker:driven by morality, like my own kind of like social justice ethic. Like if I was on a SkyTrain, like
Speaker:a subway, like, going somewhere, and I heard some, like two ladies having some conversation and I
Speaker:didn't agree with what they were saying, I would like walk over there.
Speaker:Excuse me, like, yeah, we can all hear what you're saying. And you're a very big offensive right
Speaker:now.
Speaker:That's that's very mercury and sad. Like, I was like, I'm gonna let you know what I am thinking
Speaker:about. Whether you are right or wrong, morally, not like factually, morally. Yeah, and I think I've
Speaker:like matured somewhat in like maybe having a more like, notion of like, what kinds of intervention
Speaker:are effective when it comes to chronic create a more socially just world than just yelling at
Speaker:people? Yes. And I'm glad that I never hadn't heard of social media when I was younger. Like, I
Speaker:super see myself in like kids on the internet today, like, oh, that's what I would have been like,
Speaker:if I grew up on social media, but I just did it in person, I would yet walking down the street. I
Speaker:hope I was active bystander
Speaker:that
Speaker:that's perfect. That's exactly, exactly probably bit helps, though. The reception. It's like,
Speaker:leaving room for maybe nuance of truth or something like, or like room for different opinions.
Speaker:Maybe, you know, don't have to agree. We, we just want people to heal. And then so yeah, think about
Speaker:the Sagittarius being the sixth house of Sagittarius. And it's just like a lot of work to like, hold
Speaker:really strong opinions. It's easier to like, be a little more flexible and adaptable. Or we're not
Speaker:even talking about politics sometimes. I mean, I have a lot of opinions too, but I'm like, it would
Speaker:be a lot easier if we just don't talk about any of that. And that'll keep things a lot like more
Speaker:comfortable. Just where I want to live.
Speaker:I have way too many sad placement.
Speaker:Anyway, what uh,
Speaker:did you have some charts you wanted to throw up and see what comes out? debating whether or not
Speaker:you know what I'm going to
Speaker:look for throw up a mostly because I was looking at yesterday and I just thought it was one chart,
Speaker:but in a pool Drew Barrymore's chart real quick. Are you there anymore?
Speaker:I see a lot of fortune. Yes. There we go. Sorry. IPO.
Speaker:And where is it? Oh, yeah, it's in Scorpio
Speaker:conjunct Uranus. Yeah, so conjunct Uranus. And when it comes like a lot of fortune.
Speaker:The only real aspect of a lot of Fortune is
Speaker:the sun. Which I'm just thinking about, like how Drew Barrymore is
Speaker:a movie star, right?
Speaker:But like, granted, she has a
Speaker:healthy stellium of planets in the in the in the 10th house.
Speaker:But they like her characters. They tend to be these. Granted, I haven't seen a bajillion, but
Speaker:they're these kind of like,
Speaker:dreamy, like,
Speaker:absent minded but like good natured and like, adorable, lovable. She's that lovable, relatable.
Speaker:romcom heroin. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Like the
Speaker:I was looking at this chart recently, just on its own as like a really fascinating chart and like a
Speaker:really literal one. Skipping like all the memes recently, my partner showed me the, these memes
Speaker:about Drew Barrymore. And I guess they're going around like, like, but Drew Barrymore interviews and
Speaker:like how the healing power of a Drew Barrymore interview and just like that big Pisces stellium, I
Speaker:also know that she was a,
Speaker:she had pretty difficult like childhood. And that's like a big part of her story. And she has this,
Speaker:like this lovely moon in cancer, which is like not surprising with just thinking about her as a
Speaker:person, but it's like, technically enclosed by malefics.
Speaker:If there's a conjunction with Saturn in cancer, or it's separating from a conjunction with Saturn in
Speaker:cancer and applying to an opposition with Mars,
Speaker:which is like a pretty difficult situation, you would think, yeah, but I was thinking that'd be
Speaker:interesting too.
Speaker:Looking at things from the from the perspective of a lot of fortune and see if we arrive at,
Speaker:we're able to augment some of the things or what we what we get from that. Well, something that's
Speaker:kind of standing out in her chart is, you know, that rule of threes that sometimes you will talk
Speaker:about in interpreting a chart like, yeah, if just one thing is telling this story, like, look for
Speaker:things that support it. And so right away, there's this interesting, kind of fifth house repetition.
Speaker:Or is that true? Actually, no, I'm looking at this wrong. The fifth from Fortune would be the Yeah,
Speaker:to actual 10th houses. So that Yeah, the thing that I think is interesting is if you look from
Speaker:Fortune, not only that she have this kind of this exalted Venus in pisces, which is close to
Speaker:Jupiter,
Speaker:in the 10th, which is already like, yeah, yeah. But then also, if you look at the Fortune houses,
Speaker:this would be fifth from Fortune, which adds like another like rejoicing condition on to what's
Speaker:going on with Venus here. And sometimes I think that can be fun to look at, like, what is rejoicing
Speaker:from Fortune as like, again, one of those, like, secret ways that maybe a planet is doing better
Speaker:than we otherwise would like to be at first.
Speaker:That's so Venus would be like in its
Speaker:house, joy and exultation? Yes. From boredom. Totally. And then even to with Fortune being in
Speaker:Scorpio ruled by that Mars in Capricorn. And that brings like another exultation? Yeah. And so it's
Speaker:it kind of means that we can look at this Mars, and we're going ooh, it's enclosing the moon like,
Speaker:scary. Yeah. But it adds like that nuance to what Mars is doing is like, also, Mars is trying to use
Speaker:its powers to like bring you
Speaker:fortune. Yeah, you know, it adds on another rule role that Mars is playing in the chart, which is
Speaker:like the ruler of fortune. And so that's really handy to have in an exalted place. Exactly. That's
Speaker:a, it adds like, a different way of looking at what Mars is doing for sure. Like you said, because
Speaker:normally like, like Gemini rising like Mars isn't always it's actually not too bad with Gemini
Speaker:rising. What is it Virgo rising? What am I thinking about? Yeah, some charts have like, the sort of
Speaker:jobs that a planet gets will make it a little more
Speaker:difficult or a little easier. It's like for cancer rising like, Mars is still Mars and can be a
Speaker:total pain in the ass. But it also rules like the fifth and 10th. So like, it has a sort of like,
Speaker:a job that is specific, like in a certain context. So you're probably going to get both versions of
Speaker:Mars but like, it's a little mix Mars more useful. And a lot of ways and like can help sort of color
Speaker:like how bad maybe an aspect is or how bad
Speaker:a certain element with the planet is, like. So like, just looking at it from this angle as Mars
Speaker:ruling a life giving place.
Speaker:And it's exalted, its ruling the life giving a lot of fortune, that opposition with with Mars, while
Speaker:still a moon, Mars opposition difficult, could maybe be seen as
Speaker:more productive potentially than it might be. Because if we take out the words for the planets, and
Speaker:just talk about delineations, right, it's like, yeah, the signifier of your general like life, body.
Speaker:Emotions, is moving toward the signifier of
Speaker:life fortune success. Yeah, from an exalted place, you know, so we can,
Speaker:you know, if you pick out those few, like, this is what how it's gonna show up in some parts of the
Speaker:life. And then the other stuff, which is going like, oh, it's moving towards the destruct or, like,
Speaker:I'm sure that's also how it feels sometimes. Yeah. Especially being like in the eights.
Speaker:You know, I I'm curious if she has like, experience like, death of somebody who is important to her,
Speaker:or? Yeah, I don't know. See, I said to you before this recording. I like grew up homeschooled. So I
Speaker:don't know anything about celebrities. I try but they don't. I don't really either. Like I don't
Speaker:know much about Drew Barrymore. In fact, I want to do more research on her now because
Speaker:it's a really interesting chart. It's like dignity off the charts. But all I know is that like, she
Speaker:was a child actress, and she had a pretty shitty early life that I don't know the specifics, but
Speaker:like, like, awful stuff. But she's also become this like, you know, she's able to do a lot with
Speaker:those experiences or do a lot healing from those experiences and
Speaker:She, I guess she has like a talk show now or something like that and doing the Pisces thing of being
Speaker:like a force of healing and transmuting the difficulty in the pain. Yeah, and even like looking at
Speaker:like the moon's last aspect and next aspect, like moving from this like, detriment, Saturn, right
Speaker:Saturn in cancer towards an exalted planet. Yeah, Capricorn. It's not necessarily like, comfortable,
Speaker:but it is, like you're saying it's like more useful and fortunate? Yeah, even even if there's like
Speaker:discomfort and like, and I mean, if you ever asked anyone who has like the smallest amount of fame,
Speaker:people tell you, it's not easy. Like, I'm sure it's not. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that comes
Speaker:with like, working in the film industry having so many eyes on you.
Speaker:But yeah, but since that is like she has this like stuff in the fifth from Fortune and then Mars is
Speaker:third from Fortune. I don't know, there's like something in there that shows like, at least she can
Speaker:really use it to express her creativity to be communicating the things she wants to be saying.
Speaker:Having fun with it. There's like something in her fortune, which is about like, yeah, working in
Speaker:entertainment, getting to do things which are, like, fun, enjoyable, and, you know, Leo would be the
Speaker:10th from fortune to and like the sun, triangle and fortune.
Speaker:Like you were saying earlier, doubling up on on signifiers, but I cut you off, too, do you please.
Speaker:Oh, no, no. Yeah. Yeah, just like, it's interesting to see like, where career signifiers come
Speaker:through. And of course, the charts always gonna be telling all the things right. Yeah. What is it
Speaker:that people are seeing? What is it you're personally experiencing? And yeah, that that like enclosed
Speaker:moon? That's a toughy. It's no fun.
Speaker:But also even bringing in Uranus conjunct fortune. I know sometimes it's like, Oh, do we do that?
Speaker:Yeah, because Uranus Uranus is like, modern planet. But maybe there is like something unexpected
Speaker:that happened that really like changed
Speaker:her trajectory. Yes to Fortune. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Like it's a. Again, I don't know that much
Speaker:about her life. There's been a lot of like, ups and downs, or
Speaker:but I imagine.
Speaker:I don't know. I want to see now I'm gonna be doing some research on Drew Barrymore. Maybe I'll share
Speaker:it. Three of one. Drew Barrymore movie marathon. Oh,
Speaker:that would be the next Netflix and chart recommendation.
Speaker:But yeah, that was, that was
Speaker:the only one I really had in mind, I've been looking at a lot of like, charts with planets aspecting
Speaker:a lot of Fortune lately to like, sort of test it. And there does seem to be something with it.
Speaker:Granted, in her chart, other parts of the chart seem to be pretty literal as well. But if you just
Speaker:think it was like an intensifier,
Speaker:sort of magnifier of a placement, it's, it's probably not going to steer you to wrong. If you just
Speaker:think you have like the sorry, like last thought was the if you're looking at it from a lot of
Speaker:fortunes perspective, the sun would be in the fifth house, a fifth from the lot of fortune, trying
Speaker:the lot of Fortune ruling, the fortune 10. So like, somebody's, like, it's already in the 10th. But
Speaker:like,
Speaker:it's a strong placement for the ruler of the Fortune 10th. And like, solar, she's a she's a
Speaker:celebrity. She's an actor, like she's totally Yeah, total actor. Yeah, it's, there isn't
Speaker:all that much nuance to interpreting it. Like, almost like it's like very clear cut.
Speaker:Right? And maybe this, maybe this is something that we should have done before, but just like, basic
Speaker:guidelines for interpreting a lot, right? Whether we're looking at a lot of fortune, or a lot of
Speaker:spirit or another kind of like, more niche lock. Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, first look at like, where it falls? What house? Right. And so, think of it as like, oh, that
Speaker:house is going to be more important for the matters that a lot is pertaining to? Yeah, then you look
Speaker:at is it aspecting? Any planets like conjunct a planet? Is it have like a degree based aspect to
Speaker:another planet? That's gonna really speak to it? And then you look at what is the planet that's
Speaker:ruling the lot? Do they have a signed bass aspect? Do they not see each other?
Speaker:What is that planet doing? And you know, and just like remember, now that planet kind of holds that
Speaker:extra signification and even in the really like niche little lots, you know, like we were talking
Speaker:about word of hidden knowledge before, but there's other ones like that, where if you're doing kind
Speaker:of a more complicated like, l mutant type situation and you're looking at what planets are ruling
Speaker:all these different lots. It's like for the
Speaker:You know, for the process that you're doing, it's like, okay, well, so, in this in this chart using
Speaker:this specific divinatory, like question we're doing, it's like, okay, Mars is representing, you
Speaker:know, the boss and Saturn is representing the child and you know, Jupiter's representing death, or
Speaker:will, you know, it'll suddenly seem so random, because it's like, that's not what those that it's
Speaker:not what the nature of those planets usually is, but you can use them as like rulers of lots to go,
Speaker:oh, they actually are participating in this story in this way. Yeah. So it's like, it's like little
Speaker:decorations, plugged on to the planets that they have these like additional significations. And
Speaker:because of the divinatory nature of lots, I don't know if they always hold those certifications. Or
Speaker:if it's like, only when you ask, Do you know what I mean? Like there's never that like,
Speaker:pseudo quantum thing where it's like, oh, well, the tarot card remains facedown. Like, it could be
Speaker:anything, right? It's like only once you flip it that you really kind of lock it in. And I think
Speaker:there's something like that with lots which is like, you know, of planets they take on these
Speaker:additional additional significations, once you do the calculations to find out the lots.
Speaker:You know, it's kind of it's kind of like a fun,
Speaker:or like, whatever question you're asking. It's kind of like this fun thing, which is like, yeah, it
Speaker:makes the chart go a bit infinite. I think I was saying to you, before we were recording that, like,
Speaker:in the medieval astrology, they didn't have asteroids didn't have quincunx is and like, all the
Speaker:different modern aspects, right?
Speaker:They didn't have fixed stars, but like, lots that was like, really where it went, make? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:And, and, in a way, they're kind of similar to modern aspects and asteroids in this way, where,
Speaker:like, they bring in this really specific, really kind of like, additional layer to something right,
Speaker:they add nuance, and but also, they're kind of like an aspect in that you're measuring the distance
Speaker:between two planets and then projecting it. Right. And so it's kind of like finding the hidden
Speaker:aspect between every planet. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:I got my time, I think, because I know, we want to talk a little bit about other lots.
Speaker:You know, a ton, but like, maybe stuttering, like watch lots are, are a little more important,
Speaker:maybe, or which ones are useful. And I think that writing out on what you were just saying, it's
Speaker:like, it'll, if you look at a chart that has just like 100, and something lots cast, which I've
Speaker:looked at before, and I'm like, while I do this, you know,
Speaker:if to simplify things, you can you can almost sort of like back out a little bit. And
Speaker:on the last episode, Tristan, there was the we were talking about how mutants, right, and that sort
Speaker:of idea that a planet has extra power, because it controls different parts of the chart, you know,
Speaker:the lots like you're saying, like there, give sort of planets a little extra job. But you can also
Speaker:maybe get an idea of like a planet that might have more power, or be more important than maybe you
Speaker:realize at first or would assume just like the basic chart because it like oh, well it rules like
Speaker:this. And this line and this line this on like holy crap, this planet was actually like way more
Speaker:important than you would just assume. Because you know if it's Mars in a Mars in Virgo chart that
Speaker:rules like the
Speaker:third and eighth house, it's like, huh, like, like Mars is very important. But if it rules like a
Speaker:lot of fortune and like, maybe a lot of spirit and like,
Speaker:a bunch of like random lots in the 10th house, you know, or something like that. I wouldn't rule.
Speaker:Anyway, here is a bunch of stuff, you know, it's got more chips in its that's a little bag than MIDI
Speaker:holds a little more power and influence and sway. It reminds me of the saying, there's no small
Speaker:parts, only small actors. Yeah. It's like, yeah, if if the planet has really lunch a lot, then it's
Speaker:really making itself you know, more more important just by sheer chutzpah. Yeah, exactly. Um, but
Speaker:maybe too soon. I want to
Speaker:start, like, moving towards wrapping up. We want to talk about Yeah, well, maybe talk about some
Speaker:other lots that maybe you found useful to use in your practice in general. Like are there some that
Speaker:you maybe use more often than others? Sure. I mean, maybe the lot of arrows could be interesting.
Speaker:Yeah. About if do you want to bring up Amber Rose? Sure. I had that example. You
