Shownotes
The central theme of this podcast episode revolves around the profound significance of mental fortitude in the realm of golf, as articulated by our distinguished guest, Debbie O'Connell. We engage in a thoughtful discourse regarding the intricate relationship between mental conditioning and performance on the golf course, underscoring the necessity of cultivating a positive mindset. Debbie shares her personal journey, illustrating how her experiences and the challenges she faced have informed her approach to coaching and motivational speaking. Furthermore, we delve into the psychological barriers that often hinder golfers from achieving their full potential, emphasizing the imperative to embrace one's emotional responses and leverage them as tools for success. This enlightening conversation culminates in actionable insights aimed at enhancing one's mental game, ultimately fostering resilience and enjoyment in the sport.
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Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Painted Hills Natural Beef
- Golf Positive
- Nelson Burton Jr.
- Althea Gibson
- Nancy Lopez
- Jessica Corda
- Arnold Palmer
- Kathy Whitworth
- Mickey Wright
- LPGA
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Transcripts
Welcome to Grilling at the Green After Hours.
Speaker A:The conversation that took place after the show ended.
Speaker A:Hi, everybody, it's jt and this is a special version of Grilling at the Green.
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Speaker A:That's Painted Hills Natural Beef.
Speaker A:Hey, welcome to After Hours here on Grilling at the Green.
Speaker A:I'm jt.
Speaker A:Today we've got Debbie o' Connell with us.
Speaker A:Golf positive.
Speaker A:Live positive.
Speaker A:I don't even know what to say.
Speaker A:There's so much good stuff about you out there.
Speaker A:This is the first time we've ever actually talked, so I find it very interesting.
Speaker A:And one of the reasons I'll tell you that, Debbie, is because we've had other motivational speakers on the.
Speaker A:That's what they do for living and coaching and stuff.
Speaker A:And some of them are very good.
Speaker A:And some of them are just like they.
Speaker A:They cut and pasted stuff from other people's work and put a program together.
Speaker A:And you can always tell those folks, you know, it's just, I'm not ripping on them too bad, but you can always tell the ones that that's just what they did.
Speaker A:You know, people like yourself that have worked hard and put programs together and put a lot of thought into it and probably made more errors in putting the program together as they went along than what the actual end result looks like, because that's how we learn anyway.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's praise for me, if you want to take it that way.
Speaker B:Well, thank you so much.
Speaker B:And you know, so much of what the work I do came out of my own struggles and then implementing things that I love to teach, which gave me success.
Speaker B:And I'll give you an example of one of those is I'm also a bowler, ten pin bowling.
Speaker B:I don't really bowl anymore, but years ago I was in a league and I'm a good bowler.
Speaker B:And I really wanted to have a 300 game, perfect 300 game, which is 12 strikes in a row in one game.
Speaker B:Every frame you strike.
Speaker B:And I would get to seven and my heart would start pounding.
Speaker B:Anybody else feel nervous on the first tee or when you're about to shoot your lowest score ever or maybe win the tournament, your body reacts.
Speaker B:It can't help but react because it's important to you and you want to do it, you want to do well.
Speaker B:And I found I had this limiting belief that if I was nervous, I couldn't succeed in sport.
Speaker B:I wouldn't Be able to function and perform.
Speaker B:And that was because of Jeff.
Speaker B:Do you remember Wide World of Sports?
Speaker A:Oh, sure.
Speaker B:The agony of defeat.
Speaker A:That poor skier.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:And this is what the announcers would constantly say if they succeeded.
Speaker B:Wow, they have ice in their veins.
Speaker B:So I'm thinking they never even got nervous if they failed.
Speaker B:The pressure got to them.
Speaker B:So that was my belief.
Speaker B:So I was, like, so frustrated at first.
Speaker B:I thought, all right, I can't have a 300 game.
Speaker B:I get too nervous.
Speaker B:And then about a week later, I was like, darn it, I want to have a 300 game.
Speaker B:I went to a sports psychologist.
Speaker B:I went to a guy named Nelson Burton Jr. Who's a Hall of famer in bowling.
Speaker B:He happened to be in my town.
Speaker B:And then I started working out.
Speaker B:So I put this formula together for myself.
Speaker B:And then this one night at league, everything came together, and I got in that flow state.
Speaker B:I got those flow triggers going.
Speaker B:I was so focused on target.
Speaker B:Every time I get up there, I take my deep breath, say me and my target, and all of a sudden I go by the seven, the eight in a row.
Speaker B:Nine, ten.
Speaker B:Now I'm in the tenth frame, which is now you bowl three.
Speaker B:Three times in the ten.
Speaker B:No one else is bowling in the lanes.
Speaker B:It's quiet as could be, except the machine running and my ball coming back.
Speaker B:Now I am nervous from head to toe.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And I. I love to tell the story because I want all of you to know you can succeed, even if you are literally shaking.
Speaker B:Because I was shaking and I hit the 11th one.
Speaker B:Now I come back and just the murmurs, the excitement, and then it quiets again.
Speaker B:And I pick up my ball and I take that breath.
Speaker B:Me in my spot.
Speaker B:And I said the same thing, and I did the same routine.
Speaker B:If you don't have a pre shot routine, please get one.
Speaker B:And I roll the ball over the same spot, watch it just go boom, right in the pocket.
Speaker B:The pins fly.
Speaker B:And I had that 300 game, and I was crying with excitement.
Speaker B:It was quite a moment because I struggled for so long.
Speaker B:And these are the kind of programs that I put together.
Speaker B:I look back on where was I, Where a lot of people are struggling.
Speaker B:What did I do that helped me succeed?
Speaker B:And then, of course, I went to all this education and gone deep in my education so I could.
Speaker B:It's all neuroscience based of how our brains work.
Speaker B:I'm just fascinating with our brains.
Speaker B:So, you know, work on your mental game.
Speaker B:I would love for it to be with me, but if not, work with somebody.
Speaker B:Just get going on that mental game.
Speaker A:It's important, you know, I think so much doing this show for I don't know how many years I've been doing it.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's been great the whole time.
Speaker A:But I have come to the conclusion that what you just said is absolutely 100% top of the rung.
Speaker A:I go back to a quote in a movie, it was a Bobby Jones movie or something, and the guy that was playing Walter Hagen, he said, three bad shots, one good shot makes par.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:It's kind of a classic line and all this.
Speaker A:So he didn't worry about it.
Speaker A:He just didn't worry about it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Keeping that in mind and then trying to just.
Speaker A:I'm a big guy.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm not, you know, Zach Johnson size.
Speaker A:I'll put it that way.
Speaker A:You know, I'm a little bigger, a little meatier because of my previous work and stuff, and.
Speaker A:And I cook.
Speaker A:So I don't have this most fluid golf swing, all right?
Speaker A:I don't have that.
Speaker A:That free flow all the time.
Speaker A:It looks like maybe I'm hacking on snakes, I don't know.
Speaker A:But the point is, that's what I've got, and so I have to work with it instead of beating the hell out of myself for not having the perfect swing.
Speaker A:There's only a couple people on the face of the earth, I think, that have come close to having a perfect swing.
Speaker A:And after a season, they were always changing it anyway.
Speaker A:So, you know, take that out of your noggin.
Speaker A:But to get to the point here, I just learned that this is a swing I have.
Speaker A:This is who I am.
Speaker A:Stop thinking that the world is going to end and just hit the damn ball.
Speaker A:Just hit it.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:You know, I've got a pre shot routine.
Speaker A:Unless we're doing one of those scramble things, then we're all kind of clowning around, you know, having fun.
Speaker A:But, you know, in a regular game, you have a routine.
Speaker A:You swing, you do your waggle, whatever your routine is, just step up and hit the ball.
Speaker A:Your life will be so much simpler.
Speaker A:That's my thoughts.
Speaker B:It's perfect, Jeff.
Speaker B:There was a golfer years ago, Mickey Wright.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:She actually is talked about today as having the best swing in the game.
Speaker B:She's in the USGA's museum, and it shows her swing.
Speaker B:And many of the best golfers ever look at her swing as one of the best ever.
Speaker B:And she won 82 times on the LPGA Tour.
Speaker B:The only reason she doesn't have more than 88 Kathy Whitworth has the record is because she retired a little bit earlier.
Speaker B:Someone asked her one time she was playing.
Speaker B:The reporter said, mickey, it seems like every shot you swing and the ball goes at your target.
Speaker B:Like, how do you do that?
Speaker B:Her answer, Jeff, is to sum up exactly what you said.
Speaker B:She said, I don't care where it's going.
Speaker B:It's acceptance of the outcome.
Speaker B:The challenge comes for so many people, like my client Susan, who would get so frustrated, mad at herself for a bad shot.
Speaker B:It's the meaning you put to the bad shot.
Speaker B:What does a bad shot mean to you?
Speaker B:If it's just like, whoops, I did my best.
Speaker B:That's interesting.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:Let's make a good par.
Speaker B:We only need one good one, right?
Speaker B:You just said, I only need to make one great pot or one great chip in.
Speaker B:You know, it's.
Speaker B:What does it mean?
Speaker B:Like, how.
Speaker B:What stops you from just accepting where the ball goes and accepting the outcome?
Speaker B:Because once Susan started to do that, now she naturally says, oh, interesting.
Speaker B:And she doesn't have all that negative energy.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:She dropped her handicap by 10.
Speaker A:I, I actually, Debbie, I quit.
Speaker A:I quit keeping my handicap, and I did it specifically for a reason, for not beating myself up because what I.
Speaker A:Are you running out of time?
Speaker B:Not at all.
Speaker B:I'm so excited.
Speaker B:I have more time with you, right?
Speaker B:We have more time, right?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:We've got plenty of time.
Speaker B:I've got all the time you want, Jeff.
Speaker B:This is so much fun.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:Years ago, I. I played to, like a 12 and 14, and then age and treachery caught up with me, and I had to have some.
Speaker A:Had to go in the body shop a few times to get some.
Speaker A:Some work done, right?
Speaker A:Which it happens.
Speaker A:And so then all of a sudden, I was shooting 22.
Speaker A:20, 22, Like that.
Speaker A:And I thought, you know what?
Speaker A:You're just frustrating yourself when you get everything per.
Speaker A:Patched up, meaning knees and those types of things.
Speaker A:When you do that, then you can start keeping your handicap again because all you're doing is pissing yourself off, so to speak.
Speaker A:Pardon my French.
Speaker A:But that's what I'm doing out there.
Speaker A:That was part of my program to say, I still.
Speaker A:I'm still a member.
Speaker A:I can still do it if I want to, but I don't want to do it till I'm really back to where I'm really comfortable, physically comfortable playing all the time and not.
Speaker A:And not.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:Don't have to think about it.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:I just want to Play.
Speaker A:So that's why.
Speaker B:That's a strategy for sure.
Speaker B:My godmother never kept score her whole golfing career.
Speaker B:She said, I love the game so much.
Speaker B:I just love being out there.
Speaker B:I don't care what I shoot.
Speaker B:I'm just.
Speaker B:I'm not even going to keep score.
Speaker B:And that's how she played.
Speaker B:But that's knowing yourself.
Speaker B:Now, we could also look at what does that higher handicap represent to you?
Speaker B:What's the meaning you put to that that makes it so frustrating and then help you shift that out so it wouldn't really matter as much.
Speaker B:But if this is working for you and you get those knees back in shape and then if you want to keep a handicap, great.
Speaker B:If you don't.
Speaker B:So what do you get?
Speaker B:All your scrambles.
Speaker B:No handicap, huh?
Speaker A:No scramble events.
Speaker A:It's just a best shot, you know, best ball type deal.
Speaker A:But we come in at.
Speaker A:Well, last two weeks ago, we came in at nine under.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:So you're only handicapped if your playing partners drink too much?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I'm the.
Speaker A:I'm the driver.
Speaker A:They're the designated drinkers and I'm the designated driver.
Speaker A:Like that.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:No, and.
Speaker A:And that's just been because people have asked me, you know, and I know people listen to show they can go look it up, but I haven't posted anything in several years just because of the fact that I was frustrating myself of not being able to get back, you know, eight under 18.
Speaker A:Just say under 18 like that.
Speaker A:And I wasn't being able to do that because it was this hula hoop thing in your brain.
Speaker A:That one thing was just cycling around again and saying, this bad.
Speaker A:This is going to hurt this, whatever the reason, doesn't matter.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And I just stopped.
Speaker A:I just figured out that I had to take some of these things out to get back to one, enjoy the game.
Speaker A:And two, once I started enjoying the game again, then I could start trying to play for real again.
Speaker A:Does that make sense?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And when you enjoy it, you'll play better, you know, having that positive energy.
Speaker B:And that doesn't mean you truly don't care.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You can be competitive and want to win.
Speaker B:Where we get in trouble is when we beat ourselves up and we put ourselves down the whole time because then we're going to lose confidence throughout the round as opposed to letting poor shots go, moving on to the next hole like a new moment and stay in the present moment.
Speaker B:And that's the key.
Speaker B:If we can not be upset about the past and we can not fear the future, that's the gift you give yourself, which is the present.
Speaker B:It is truly a present that you give yourself.
Speaker B:And that's the place to play this game.
Speaker B:And what's interesting, Jeff, I tell people all the time in the pre shot routine, visualize the shot like it means the world.
Speaker B:See it exactly the way you want it because your brain loves a very clear and specific goal.
Speaker B:It wants you to tell it like it's a fifth grader or third grader or a five year old, exactly what you want it to do.
Speaker B:And so you visualize it like it means everything.
Speaker B:And then you step into what we like to call the playbox, and you want to swing like you don't care.
Speaker B:And that's the challenge of this game mentally.
Speaker B:How do I do that?
Speaker B:How do I want to win so badly?
Speaker B:How do I be competitive?
Speaker B:How do I picture that shot and then relax and let it go?
Speaker B:That's all mindset.
Speaker A:So speaking of mindset, these are some abusive questions, not really that we usually do in after hours.
Speaker A:They're quite fun.
Speaker A:So I, I, we're not going to go through the whole list today, but there's a few things that will tell our listeners a little more about Debbie.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker A:Are you ready?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Send it my way, Jeff.
Speaker A:All right, here we go.
Speaker A:If you could play around of golf with one of your golfing heroes, who would it be?
Speaker B:Nancy Lopez.
Speaker B:The one who popped in my head.
Speaker B:I have played golf with Nancy.
Speaker B:She's actually a friend of mine, so.
Speaker B:And I always, always love that round.
Speaker B:I'd say, and I've played with Jessica Corda.
Speaker B:I haven't played with Nelly, but I would go with Arnold Palmer only because Nancy I've already played golf with.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:So can I change that?
Speaker A:Do whatever you want.
Speaker B:Babe's the hairiest because I would love to figure out her darn brain.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker A:That woman, she's a wild woman.
Speaker A:I loved it.
Speaker A:So if Debbie was declared supreme leader of golf for one day, just one day, what would you, as supreme leader decree?
Speaker B:That is awesome.
Speaker B:I am the supreme leader of golf.
Speaker B:I would just decree that there's penalty shots for negative attitudes.
Speaker A:I like that.
Speaker B:Now, curse words are okay for a second, but a negative attitude out there just being miserable, not allowed.
Speaker B:You get penalty shots for that.
Speaker A:Okay, I like.
Speaker A:Okay, that's fine.
Speaker A:That's fine.
Speaker A:You're, you're the supreme leader.
Speaker A:You can do whatever you want.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:If we put Debbie skills to music, what music would it be?
Speaker B:Oh, my skills to music.
Speaker B:I love to dance, so it's got to be dance tunes kind of music.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:You know what I love to do?
Speaker B:I love a jitterbug.
Speaker B:I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say it's.
Speaker B:It's more like a jitterbug, okay.
Speaker B:Because I love to dance the jitterbug with my mom.
Speaker B:The means means the world to me.
Speaker B:She's so special.
Speaker B:She used to do the jitterbug or two step with her mom and now it's mom and I when we're on all the family functions and parties.
Speaker B:And so that would be it.
Speaker B:That's immediately some of that good Andrew.
Speaker A:Sisters or the Clooney sisters singing in the background too.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah, There you go.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:If you could dine with a historical figure.
Speaker A:Now, this figure does not have to be in the golf world, but if Debbie could dine with a historical figure, who would it be and what would be on the menu?
Speaker B:I would dine with Harriet Tubman because I watched that movie Harriet, and she is the most courageous woman, person I have ever learned about in my life.
Speaker B:So she would be it and then we would have on the menu.
Speaker B:Now, I'm generally a healthy eater, but let's go all out here.
Speaker B:I never eat this.
Speaker B:I'm non dairy and I don't eat fried foods.
Speaker B:But I'm thinking some chicken parm.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:I don't even eat white flour, but I think chicken parm and spaghetti might be a good meal.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:If you could erase one mistake from your past, Debbie, what would it be?
Speaker B:Oh, well, I tell you, I wouldn't necessarily want to erase it because I learned so much from it.
Speaker B:But I'll tell you about something that I regretted.
Speaker B:I was so afraid to and embarrassed to play golf early on with anyone who was really good.
Speaker B:And I had a good looking swing.
Speaker B:Like I said, I'm athletic.
Speaker B:So I had a good looking swing.
Speaker B:This one day I was practicing.
Speaker B:This lady's coming towards me.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh my gosh.
Speaker B:And I'm getting nervous because she's really coming right at me.
Speaker B:She comes over and says, do you have a game today?
Speaker B:She wanted to play golf with me and I was so afraid that I said no.
Speaker B:It was Althea Gibson.
Speaker A:Oh, geez.
Speaker B:So I from then on said, I'm going to say yes to opportunities in life.
Speaker B:But can you imagine spending four hours or four and a half, whatever it would have been, with Althea Gibson?
Speaker B:She was the amateur tennis star, first African American to win those majors and then the first African American woman on the LPGA tour.
Speaker B:What that I could learn from that woman would have been just incredible.
Speaker B:And that experience, amazing.
Speaker B:I learned a lesson from it instead.
Speaker B:Say yes to opportunities, everyone.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:What's one thing you miss about your 20s?
Speaker A:I know you're only 32, but.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:I thought I knew it all.
Speaker B:I really thought, especially in my early 20s, I just knew everything, Jeff.
Speaker B:I had the world figure it out.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:All that I get.
Speaker B:There's more I have to figure out.
Speaker B:I get sometimes.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:What's your favorite movie?
Speaker B:Oh, Secretariat just popped in my head.
Speaker B:I have a whole list.
Speaker B:But a Debbie movie, if I can add a little to that, is where people transform.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:It has a happy ending.
Speaker B:If it's a true story, it's even better.
Speaker B:Like, remember the Titans is.
Speaker B:But Secretariat.
Speaker B:Oh, the courage that was shown in that movie.
Speaker B:The decision making, the challenges, the mindset and wow.
Speaker B:Is that Horace.
Speaker B:Amazing.
Speaker B:I cry.
Speaker B:I can watch that and cry every time.
Speaker A:I'm with you.
Speaker A:I'm with you.
Speaker A:Here's a.
Speaker A:Here's kind of a fun one.
Speaker A:What would be your last meal on death row?
Speaker B:I would say I'm gonna have a big juicy steak.
Speaker B:I would say like a filet mignon.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And a totally stuffed baked potato with cheese and sour cream.
Speaker B:And I don't like stuff I don't eat.
Speaker B:Well, you're getting me hungry.
Speaker A:Well, it's my.
Speaker B:I should have known.
Speaker B:This is grilling at the Greens.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then I. I typically.
Speaker B:I do love vegetables, so.
Speaker B:Oh, like grilled.
Speaker B:Do you grill any zucchini?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, like grilled zucchini with that.
Speaker B:And then, of course, I've got to have grilled mushrooms and onions to go with the steak.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker A:I'll make it.
Speaker A:Do you eat seafood?
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:I love seafood.
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:A stuffed portobello with crabs, scallops, shrimp, a little cream cheese, little sour cream, some capers, water chestnuts, multiple layers of cheese on the top.
Speaker A:I can make that for you.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I've got to throw out the non dairy thing when I come see you.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker A:That's not gonna.
Speaker A:That bird isn't gonna fly around here.
Speaker A:But I can make you twice baked potatoes too, because I do it at the holidays for people, you know, like you said.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:It's got lots of butter and sour cream and bacon bits and diced green onions and covered with multi layers of cheese.
Speaker A:And I think that's the only reason people like to come to dinner at our house around the Christmas time is because I pick those damn potatoes.
Speaker B:Anyway, they might like you a little bit, too.
Speaker A:They might.
Speaker A:They might.
Speaker A:Last question here.
Speaker A:What would your message to the world be?
Speaker A:This is your opportunity, Debbie, to share it with the world.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:Are in charge of how you feel and where you go in life.
Speaker B:And you can do anything you want to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Very good.
Speaker A:Debbie o'.
Speaker A:Connell.
Speaker A:Where can people find your book, too?
Speaker B:On Amazon.
Speaker B:Golf Positive, Live Positive on Amazon.
Speaker B:The Flow book.
Speaker B:Text that number, you can get the ebook for free.
Speaker B: -: Speaker B:And can I give something else to these after hour people?
Speaker B:Don't tell the other folks.
Speaker B:I mean, if you want to, if.
Speaker A:They're sober enough when they.
Speaker A:Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker B:This is like the 19th hole, right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I imagine so.
Speaker B:That same phone number.
Speaker B:If you text the word yes, that brings you to my five day challenge.
Speaker B:It's called conquer your golf mind.
Speaker B:And I'm going to give everyone a coupon code.
Speaker B:I mean, five days with me, you get your own coach.
Speaker B:And it's an amazing pro work.
Speaker B:It's usually $1,000.
Speaker B:I have it on special for 97.
Speaker B:I'm going to give everybody 50 bucks off of that, too.
Speaker B:Conquer 50 is the coupon code.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:So just say yes, like what I did with what I didn't do with Elliot Gibson.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B: -: Speaker B:Text the word yes to that.
Speaker B:You get the landing page for conquer.
Speaker B:I'd love to hang out with your audience.
Speaker B:If they like you, they're hanging out with you.
Speaker B:I can have a great time hanging out with them too, I'm sure.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're a fun group.
Speaker A:We're a fun group.
Speaker A:Debbie o'.
Speaker A:Connell.
Speaker A:Thank you so much, my dear.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We got to get out of here, make room so we can kill more pixels next week.
Speaker A:But we thank you for listening.
Speaker A:We'll be back with another after hours.
Speaker A:Don't forget, you can watch the versions of this coming up in a week or two on YouTube, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker A:I'm JT.
Speaker A:Go out there, play some golf, have some fun.
Speaker A:And most of all, be kind.
Speaker A:Take care, everybody.
