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Unwrapping Creativity: An Evening with Author Winnie Tataw
Episode 231 • 16th November 2024 • The All About Nothing: Podcast • Barrett Gruber & Zac King
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Winnie Tataw joins the All About Nothing podcast to discuss her journey as an independent author and her unique approach to storytelling. With a focus on the complexities of human emotion and personal growth, Winnie shares insights into her writing process and the themes that inspire her work, including the interplay between fantasy and real-world issues. The conversation also delves into her various projects, including her upcoming literary magazine and poetry contest, showcasing her commitment to fostering a community of writers. As they explore the challenges of character development and the nuances of plot twists, Winnie reveals her humorous perspective on the expectations of readers. Tune in for a lively discussion filled with creativity, humor, and a deep appreciation for the art of writing.

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Zach King:

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Barack Gruber:

Listener discretion is advised.

Barack Gruber:

Welcome Nothing nerds to another episode of the All About Nothing podcast.

Barack Gruber:

This is episode number 231.

Barack Gruber:

I am Barack Gruber.

Zach King:

I'm Zach King.

Barack Gruber:

We are going to introduce our guest this week, Winnie Tata.

Barack Gruber:

Did I say that right?

Winnie Tata:

Yes, you did.

Barack Gruber:

Fantastic.

Barack Gruber:

I am.

Barack Gruber:

I am so pleased with myself.

Barack Gruber:

And it's not because I watched you on AMI's welcome to Wonderland.

Barack Gruber:

I sat here that entire episode and had to listen to it in order to understand what it was that was being discussed.

Barack Gruber:

It was.

Barack Gruber:

I get accused of falling asleep back behind her while she's recording.

Barack Gruber:

That's a fact.

Barack Gruber:

All right.

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Just to recap real quick, I want to thank Midas and Fame from the no Shortcuts with Midas and Fame from last week.

Barack Gruber:

It was a pleasure having them on and they have extended an invitation to us to be on.

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They record live on Tuesdays at noon every week, so definitely check them out.

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Fantastic show.

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Barack Gruber:

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Barack Gruber:

Did you want to say something or were you just.

Zach King:

No, it was excellent.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, it was really good.

Barack Gruber:

Also, want to thank Bill Fry for being with us.

Barack Gruber:

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Zach King:

You know that Wolverine meme where he's looking at that picture of Jean Gray in the bed?

Zach King:

I do that every night.

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Barack Gruber:

Get it?

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Zach King:

Where's Bill?

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He's having too much fun.

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Barack Gruber:

All right, Our guest this week is we're excited to have Winnie Tata on the show.

Barack Gruber:

Winnie is an independent author and a unique voice and an approach to storytelling.

Barack Gruber:

Her writing delves into complexities of human emotion, relationship and personal growth, drawing readers into worlds that feel both familiar and fresh.

Barack Gruber:

Through her blogs and books, Winnie has also connected with a growing audience who appreciate her honest and introspective narratives.

Barack Gruber:

We're looking forward to exploring her journey as an author, her creative process, and the inspirations behind her story.

Barack Gruber:

Welcome, Winnie, to the All About Nothing podcast.

Winnie Tata:

Yes, thank you.

Winnie Tata:

I'm happy to be here.

Barack Gruber:

First, first, I want to ask you because in the email that you sent me today, you mentioned a TV show.

Barack Gruber:

So I want to start out, what are the details about this TV show.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

So WINS Literary Lounge is where I just do book reviews and interviews and talk about everything literary with other artists, creatives, authors, and just, you know, have a nice, fun, chill, relaxed time.

Winnie Tata:

And usually it's centered around, like, different themes of, like, community, independence, being an independent author or writer.

Winnie Tata:

Podcast, finding your way.

Barack Gruber:

I can't speak for Zach.

Barack Gruber:

I can just say some of us don't look as good on television as we do over the Internet on very small screens.

Barack Gruber:

Where.

Barack Gruber:

Where can.

Barack Gruber:

Where can we see this TV show?

Winnie Tata:

So it is broadcasted through the KDCP network.

Barack Gruber:

Okay.

Winnie Tata:

Gotta remember I memorized it.

Winnie Tata:

So.

Winnie Tata:

So I don't get any of the letters mixed up.

Winnie Tata:

And you can also stream it through my website at winsbooks Blog or one of my websites, winsbooks Blog, winsliterary Lounge.

Winnie Tata:

There you can again find latest episodes and more about if you want to be a guest on the show or do any book recommendations.

Barack Gruber:

Okay, let me, let me.

Barack Gruber:

So, any.

Barack Gruber:

Any interesting guests that sort of stand out that have been on the show?

Winnie Tata:

I had just had.

Winnie Tata:

Oh, my goodness.

Winnie Tata:

Who was it?

Winnie Tata:

It was.

Winnie Tata:

Well, their episode hasn't come out yet.

Winnie Tata:

But he is a creative.

Winnie Tata:

His name is Christian Morant and he is located, I believe, now in New York.

Winnie Tata:

And he does.

Winnie Tata:

I thought I did a lot of creative things.

Winnie Tata:

He does everything.

Winnie Tata:

Music, acting, writing, poetry, slam poetry, directing, screenplay.

Winnie Tata:

I was like, oh, I thought I did everything.

Zach King:

He has a little creative adhd.

Zach King:

He's like, what?

Barack Gruber:

There's a.

Barack Gruber:

There's a.

Barack Gruber:

There might be.

Barack Gruber:

There might be a focus.

Barack Gruber:

You know what?

Barack Gruber:

Don't medicate.

Barack Gruber:

Just let it.

Barack Gruber:

Just let it keep happening.

Winnie Tata:

Just.

Barack Gruber:

That's probably the most appropriate way to handle that.

Barack Gruber:

Well, that's.

Barack Gruber:

That's fantastic.

Barack Gruber:

So we'll check that out at.

Barack Gruber:

When it's Winnie or winsbooks Blog, correct?

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Barack Gruber:

Okay.

Barack Gruber:

So can you.

Barack Gruber:

Can you tell us or can you get a little.

Barack Gruber:

Can you get us started with sharing with us a little bit about how your journey as a writer began and maybe like the specific moment or experience that drew you into storytelling?

Winnie Tata:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

So for me, I think it started way way when I was even younger.

Winnie Tata:

I come from a family of storytellers, so my parents would always tell me stories, my dad especially.

Winnie Tata:

He loves to.

Winnie Tata:

Whether it's embellishing stories or just telling them as it is.

Winnie Tata:

He's always been like a big storyteller.

Winnie Tata:

And I've always loved reading and doing little writing or poetry when I could, like between classes or making up, like, fantasy worlds from, like, cartoon shows.

Winnie Tata:

I would watch and I started really taking it seriously.

Winnie Tata:

My mom, she had had another hip surgery, and I was on Nurse Winnie Doody.

Winnie Tata:

So she had no choice but to listen to me.

Winnie Tata:

And I was just going, oh, I have this idea.

Winnie Tata:

I'm like, what if this character did this?

Winnie Tata:

And this happened?

Winnie Tata:

And I just kept going on and, like, world building.

Winnie Tata:

And she was like, girl, please write this down.

Winnie Tata:

And my dad, being the cheerleader he is, he's like, yeah, write it.

Winnie Tata:

You can do writing or, like.

Winnie Tata:

Like a book.

Winnie Tata:

Like a manuscript.

Winnie Tata:

Like a full.

Winnie Tata:

Like, you hold it, sit down and do this.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, yeah.

Winnie Tata:

So I was like, all right, I'll try.

Winnie Tata:

Then I.

Winnie Tata:

I finished my first manuscript.

Winnie Tata:

I was like, oh, I can do this.

Winnie Tata:

And this was fun.

Zach King:

How did that feel?

Zach King:

Like, how did that feel when you accomplished that?

Zach King:

The impossible task?

Winnie Tata:

It was a bit surreal because for me, it didn't feel as daunting as I thought it would be because, you know, I read a lot.

Winnie Tata:

It.

Winnie Tata:

Well, not any.

Winnie Tata:

Why still read, but not as much as I used to because I'm a chicken with no head running around.

Winnie Tata:

But I definitely.

Winnie Tata:

You know, you read books and you're like, wow, this is like, all this detail and intricacy, and you can hear, like, the author's voice when you're read.

Winnie Tata:

When you're reading.

Winnie Tata:

And, you know, being able to sit down and say, okay, I'm going to write 60,000 words that make a full, complete story that has different characters in different plots or, like, a plot twist or rising action and conflict and resolutions.

Winnie Tata:

And I'm gonna do that, and I'm gonna finish it.

Winnie Tata:

Like, I was like, whoa, I did that.

Winnie Tata:

And it wasn't.

Winnie Tata:

It didn't feel daunting.

Winnie Tata:

Like, it wasn't scary for me, it wasn't, like, a very hard task because I was like, look, if I.

Winnie Tata:

I'm gonna finish this, but if it's something, I'm, like, pulling teeth.

Winnie Tata:

One and done.

Winnie Tata:

But.

Zach King:

So when you.

Zach King:

When you.

Zach King:

What did you find, even in, you know, subsequent times you've written, what is the hardest?

Zach King:

Is.

Zach King:

Is it the end?

Zach King:

Is it tying it into a bow that the readers will accept?

Zach King:

Like, we all.

Zach King:

I don't know about you, Winnie, but I have.

Zach King:

I've read a lot of Game of Thrones, but watching the series and then the finale just kind of killed it.

Zach King:

And you're like, God, I was there for the whole thing, and the end was just not what we wanted.

Zach King:

Is the end the hardest?

Zach King:

Is it getting them to bite at the beginning?

Zach King:

Is it the struggle we need to relate with the struggle, the climax, Was it climactic enough?

Zach King:

What's.

Zach King:

What's the parts you think were maybe the hardest in the whole process?

Winnie Tata:

For me, it was.

Winnie Tata:

It's the ending because I didn't want it to end, but I knew.

Winnie Tata:

I didn't know at the moment that I was gonna make it a series, but I was like, okay, this is gonna be one book.

Winnie Tata:

I need to find an ending.

Winnie Tata:

But once I wrote the ending, I was like, ooh, this needs a second book.

Winnie Tata:

So.

Winnie Tata:

But definitely, it's.

Zach King:

Did it feel like pushing the ending along?

Zach King:

You're just like, I'm not going to end it quite yet.

Zach King:

We'll do that later.

Winnie Tata:

Very much.

Barack Gruber:

How often.

Barack Gruber:

When.

Barack Gruber:

Like, you're working on a book right now, correct?

Winnie Tata:

Yes, yes.

Barack Gruber:

How often do you find that current events and things that are going on around you wind up making their way into your manuscript?

Barack Gruber:

Like, is there a possibility in the next book that releases that's being written currently, that there's an evil troll that's occupying the great white, you know, palace on the hill?

Barack Gruber:

And, you know, oh, oh, trust me.

Winnie Tata:

It's.

Winnie Tata:

Literally every book has something like this in there.

Barack Gruber:

Do you have to go back and go, no, no, not here.

Barack Gruber:

Not.

Barack Gruber:

This isn't gonna be the place?

Winnie Tata:

Surprisingly not, because I write dark fantasy, which sometimes throws people off because I'm using in pink and splashed with glitter.

Winnie Tata:

So they're like, oh, you write about daddy and mommy issues.

Winnie Tata:

Okay, That's.

Zach King:

You know, we play Dungeons and Dragons.

Zach King:

We're gonna now recruit you.

Zach King:

You understand that, right?

Barack Gruber:

Oh, yeah.

Barack Gruber:

You're dungeon.

Barack Gruber:

You're gonna be.

Barack Gruber:

You're gonna be at least assistant dungeon master.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, I'll probably be a master.

Winnie Tata:

I've been to enough conventions where I keep looking at the dice.

Winnie Tata:

I'm like, can I just collect them?

Zach King:

They're like, that's the worst part of it.

Winnie Tata:

I know.

Winnie Tata:

That's.

Winnie Tata:

I'm like.

Winnie Tata:

And I'm like, wait, wait, wait.

Winnie Tata:

I feel like I'm getting recruited.

Winnie Tata:

Let me just.

Winnie Tata:

Slowly.

Zach King:

You're about to play, and you're like, which one do I use?

Zach King:

I have $500 worth of dice.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Barack Gruber:

Oh, goodness.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Barack Gruber:

I just.

Barack Gruber:

Because I know, like, when I start writing, like, purely for social media mostly because that's where I know I'm gonna have the least effect.

Barack Gruber:

But when I wr.

Barack Gruber:

Like a monologue or if I write something that I want to post onto social media, even if it has nothing to do with the election or people that have been elected, I find that it makes its way in, even if it's very subtle little things, you know, like, I mean, for me, I think I made a post recently that I haven't published because I scrapped it.

Barack Gruber:

But I noticed that some of the things that I was trying to express became entangled in what I call a spider web of orange hair and everything just became references to that.

Barack Gruber:

And I had to scrap it because, and this goes for a lot of people on social media that probably are like minded that right now at this point I feel like all we're really doing is just trolling the people that voted against, you know, what we saw as a better future.

Zach King:

The red rug that Bugs Bunny fights and a bunch of cartoons.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, it's rabbit season.

Barack Gruber:

No, it's duck season.

Barack Gruber:

It's rabbit season, you know.

Barack Gruber:

But so, so when you're writing, I guess is are there any characters that are in your current, your current project that someone might, would, would look at or someone would, might would read a description of and say that reminds me of so and so, whether they're a heroine or they're a hero or they're anti, you know, that, that sort of thing.

Barack Gruber:

What does that, does that happen?

Barack Gruber:

Is that happening right now?

Winnie Tata:

Oh, that happens all the time.

Winnie Tata:

I, I pride myself on saying I write character driven stories, so I love more when the reader can connect to the characters.

Barack Gruber:

Okay.

Winnie Tata:

Of course there's going to be plot.

Winnie Tata:

Like they're going to be doing stuff.

Winnie Tata:

I'm not going to just have them sitting in the room talking or doing podcasts.

Barack Gruber:

But.

Winnie Tata:

I definitely try to make sure that, you know, the characters I'm writing have meaning to them and, you know, they feel realistic, like their choices aren't just like, oh, I'm going to do this.

Winnie Tata:

I'm going to always tell the truth because I'm a good boy.

Winnie Tata:

And that's what good boys do.

Winnie Tata:

They're truthful.

Winnie Tata:

And it's like, no, I'm going to lie a bit for a couple of years and hopefully this doesn't blow up in my face.

Winnie Tata:

And of course it does blow up in their face and they try to cover it up with more lies, which makes things worse.

Winnie Tata:

And you know, you just, you know, kind of repeat that cycle.

Winnie Tata:

But I definitely try to make sure, you know, there are characters that you, you're rooting for, but also characters that you can, you know, you can see why they do bad and you can understand where that pain and hurt comes from, but you can still acknowledge that that doesn't give them an excuse to go and say, you know What?

Winnie Tata:

I think he'll 40 people today that that's reasonable because my mother didn't love me.

Winnie Tata:

That is a thing.

Winnie Tata:

No, that.

Winnie Tata:

I'm sorry that happened to you, but that does not mean you also get to do bad behavior.

Winnie Tata:

That's not how that works.

Barack Gruber:

That's fair.

Zach King:

The only.

Zach King:

The most serious thing I've ever written was a story for a video game when I was in college.

Zach King:

And I found it so hard to deliver the origin story part of it to give meaning to the character.

Zach King:

And it took me a very long time to finally do it.

Zach King:

And it turned out to be pretty good.

Zach King:

Someone bought it off of me.

Zach King:

It has not turned into a video game, but, you know.

Zach King:

And the other thing I wrote that I'm very proud of for this podcast was a sketch about someone in a submarine who toots too much and how you deal with it.

Winnie Tata:

That sounds like torture, actually.

Winnie Tata:

That.

Barack Gruber:

Let me.

Barack Gruber:

Let me just fast forward to the ending on that one.

Barack Gruber:

At the end of it, Zach had our former black co host on the.

Barack Gruber:

On the outside of a submarine scraping barnacles.

Barack Gruber:

Was.

Barack Gruber:

Am I.

Barack Gruber:

Is that right?

Zach King:

No, he was.

Zach King:

He.

Zach King:

So we ad libbed it.

Zach King:

He decided he was the fin washer.

Barack Gruber:

That's right.

Barack Gruber:

Okay, you're right.

Barack Gruber:

You're right.

Zach King:

So I told him to jump into the ocean and wash the fin, and he did it just to escape the smell that the captain was actually releasing in blaming on everybody else.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

Oh, yeah.

Winnie Tata:

I would go, yeah.

Winnie Tata:

I'd be like, oh, yeah, let me go clean the outside.

Winnie Tata:

They're like, underwater.

Zach King:

Yeah, yeah.

Zach King:

Can I leave the.

Zach King:

Like, when we were.

Zach King:

We were like leagues under the scene.

Zach King:

Like, up, we gotta go up.

Zach King:

We gotta get out.

Winnie Tata:

No, I'm just opening the hatchet right now.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, it was.

Barack Gruber:

It was a situation.

Barack Gruber:

It was a situation where drowning was definitely a more optimistic view, the superior option.

Barack Gruber:

So you've written some very introspective and emotionally driven stories.

Barack Gruber:

Where do you find the inspiration for the themes and the characters that you do build?

Winnie Tata:

Well, I kind of just collect from.

Winnie Tata:

I wouldn't say my personal life, but just personal stories and reflecting on people I've met or seen I've connected with.

Winnie Tata:

No character I say is like a carbon copy off of anyone I know, but there might be bits and pieces.

Winnie Tata:

Like my brother, he was like, did you write this character, Robbie?

Winnie Tata:

I'm like, no, you guys are just both sassy.

Zach King:

I wrote that about the time you were sassy.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, exactly.

Winnie Tata:

It's like the time you were given sass.

Winnie Tata:

And I was like, relax.

Winnie Tata:

But I definitely.

Winnie Tata:

I also, again, pull from world war or real world aspects and stories as well.

Winnie Tata:

Like I said, my books do, you know, it's about royal families and how messed up they are.

Winnie Tata:

And you kind of see, it's like looking in, you see the inside turmoil and chaos, but on the outside, you kind of see, like, oh, well, you know, they're the perfect royal family and they're loved and all this stuff.

Winnie Tata:

Like, we're going to forget what they did 20 years ago, but, you know, you.

Winnie Tata:

You know, they're doing great now.

Winnie Tata:

Like, let's just ignore what they did 10 years ago.

Zach King:

That.

Winnie Tata:

That it's fine.

Winnie Tata:

It's fine.

Winnie Tata:

You know, they're just, you know, they gave us a little money and, you know, they.

Winnie Tata:

They raised, you know, the income or whatever for people, and we're just gonna forget about.

Winnie Tata:

It never happened.

Winnie Tata:

It never happened.

Winnie Tata:

So I.

Winnie Tata:

I do a lot of, you know, of that type of reflection, too.

Winnie Tata:

And again, a lot of hypocrisy that happens in just the world I write, especially in the second book.

Winnie Tata:

Some it highlights, like, between the civil war that's impending and, you know, the two sides that are fighting are like, it's a fantasy world.

Winnie Tata:

And you would think people wouldn't be divisive on race, but yet, you know, you have, you know, humans and you have robots and you have mermaids, and you have people with scales and can breathe fire.

Winnie Tata:

And there are still.

Winnie Tata:

People are like, okay, but we can still divide this and we can still say, well, this.

Winnie Tata:

This one is the good dragon, this one's a bad dragon.

Winnie Tata:

And then you have the people who are actually have dragons saying, don't call us dragons.

Winnie Tata:

We're not animals, please.

Winnie Tata:

And it's like, we're not going to listen to y'all.

Zach King:

So as long as the dragons didn't come and say, call us wyverns, we're not dragons.

Zach King:

I'd be like, all.

Zach King:

All right.

Zach King:

I'm very intrigued.

Zach King:

Very intrigued.

Zach King:

I'm definitely gonna pick up your book.

Winnie Tata:

Thank you.

Zach King:

When it comes.

Zach King:

When it comes down to it, is there any topic that you're like, I haven't written about, but I'm very eager to jump into.

Winnie Tata:

Oh, yeah.

Winnie Tata:

I'm.

Winnie Tata:

Again, again, to some people's disbelief, I'm very punk rock.

Winnie Tata:

I love heavy metal.

Winnie Tata:

That's I and I.

Winnie Tata:

Zach is your man.

Zach King:

Yeah.

Zach King:

Oh, yeah.

Zach King:

Hardcore metal.

Zach King:

All of it.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Zach King:

You, like, bring me the horizon.

Winnie Tata:

I haven't.

Winnie Tata:

I haven't gone to them yet.

Winnie Tata:

Who I.

Winnie Tata:

Okay.

Winnie Tata:

I have to say.

Winnie Tata:

I have to keep note.

Winnie Tata:

Okay, I know who is.

Winnie Tata:

I Just listening to, I think.

Winnie Tata:

Is it Polaris?

Zach King:

Polaris, yes.

Zach King:

Yes, I know you're talking about Polaris.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

And then I've been on bad omens for, like, a month.

Zach King:

That's a hard.

Zach King:

That's a hard habit to kick.

Zach King:

Bad humans.

Zach King:

Once you hear that first one, you're like, oh, yeah, let's go.

Winnie Tata:

You have been in my care.

Winnie Tata:

And then there's another one, I think, is it, oh, my goodness, say, catch my breath or catch your breath.

Winnie Tata:

I forgot the name of them.

Winnie Tata:

It's something.

Winnie Tata:

Catch something now you have to tell.

Zach King:

Me when you figure it out.

Winnie Tata:

But kind of speaking with that, I very.

Winnie Tata:

I.

Winnie Tata:

I don't want to say I love death, but I love talking about, like, death and exploring how we.

Winnie Tata:

How we perceive it and experience it.

Winnie Tata:

So I definitely have a few books that really kind of, you know, I always kind of, you know, add fantasy to it and mythology, but, you know, exploring those things a lot more than I have already.

Winnie Tata:

I'm really kind of pushing it.

Winnie Tata:

Like, you know, what.

Winnie Tata:

What happens when we die?

Winnie Tata:

And how, you know, how many good deeds do you need to do to have a peaceful rest?

Winnie Tata:

Or how many bad deeds do you need to do?

Winnie Tata:

Like, who is the judgment?

Winnie Tata:

How is it judged?

Winnie Tata:

And, you know, who gets to inflict those judgments?

Winnie Tata:

So I can't wait to start writing about that.

Zach King:

Oh, that sounds amazing.

Zach King:

And listen, and Barrett's gonna be like, jesus, a sec.

Zach King:

But my favorite band of all time is Coheed and Cambria, right?

Barack Gruber:

I'm not gonna fault you for that.

Barack Gruber:

You have plenty of other defects.

Zach King:

But the very cool thing about Coheed and Cambria is that they're a progressive rock band.

Zach King:

But their entire discography from 25 years ago till today is telling a story that is also has comic book companions, novel companions that you can.

Zach King:

You can listen to the music and follow the story, and as you hear it, you're building the story in your head, and then you can go get the comic books and read the story they've written that these songs are for.

Winnie Tata:

Oh, that is cool.

Zach King:

It's very cool.

Zach King:

So that leaves me to ask you this.

Zach King:

You ever tried to write any songs, any lyrics, any.

Zach King:

Any kind of thing like that?

Zach King:

Come on.

Zach King:

You listen in the metal.

Winnie Tata:

I know.

Winnie Tata:

I, I, I, I love.

Winnie Tata:

I am a lover of all music.

Winnie Tata:

Well, most music.

Winnie Tata:

But I have never said, you know what?

Winnie Tata:

I can.

Winnie Tata:

I can make a song out of this, because it would be very much like, you break my heart, I break your finger.

Winnie Tata:

Finger.

Winnie Tata:

There we go.

Zach King:

How Dolph, I feel that Romeo.

Barack Gruber:

I just, I.

Barack Gruber:

In case there are any children in, you know, listening in somebody's car.

Barack Gruber:

I just didn't want.

Barack Gruber:

I didn't want them to hear I break off your.

Barack Gruber:

And.

Winnie Tata:

What can I say?

Winnie Tata:

Cart.

Winnie Tata:

That, that's a, you know, that, you know, let me go to, you know, a big company and be like, I got a song for y'all.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, break my heart.

Winnie Tata:

I break your cart.

Winnie Tata:

I don't know what type of cart.

Winnie Tata:

I don't know.

Winnie Tata:

Don't know if we're in the grocery store.

Winnie Tata:

So name it.

Winnie Tata:

Grocery store song.

Barack Gruber:

I was going to say I break your cart.

Barack Gruber:

Clearly this is a country song.

Zach King:

My wife would say my.

Zach King:

My best writing talent is just hearing a song and then making it the worst, most disgusting song they've ever heard while riding in the car.

Zach King:

In the vein of don't break my heart is don't smell that fart like that kind of thing.

Winnie Tata:

See you.

Winnie Tata:

And flatulence is.

Winnie Tata:

It seems like that is a.

Zach King:

Is there better comedy gold?

Barack Gruber:

Winnie.

Barack Gruber:

Winnie.

Barack Gruber:

I'm just going to tell you, never there.

Barack Gruber:

So many times we'd be in the studio and he's laughing.

Zach King:

It's a lot.

Barack Gruber:

So many times we'd be in the studio and all of a sudden I would.

Barack Gruber:

I'd catch it in my nostrils and then I'd realize that my mouth was open at the same time.

Barack Gruber:

Because you hit your nostril.

Barack Gruber:

It hits the senses and it's like.

Barack Gruber:

And then you, you breathe it in and it's.

Barack Gruber:

It's almost solid.

Barack Gruber:

He's laughing.

Barack Gruber:

He's laughing.

Barack Gruber:

He's a terrorist.

Zach King:

There had maybe been twice.

Zach King:

My God, don't wreck this interview.

Barack Gruber:

He's laughing, but he's a terrorist is what he is.

Barack Gruber:

He is a domestic terrorist.

Barack Gruber:

I do, I do want to ask you.

Barack Gruber:

So I've gone through your blog.

Barack Gruber:

Your blog gives your readers like a pretty good behind the scenes look at the creative process and experiences and things like that.

Barack Gruber:

As an independent author, what inspired you to start doing the blog as an addition to all of the writing?

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

So it's been funny because after I wrote the first book and I did my terrible publishing, I was like, oh, yeah, I just need to publish.

Winnie Tata:

I'll be a bestseller in two weeks.

Winnie Tata:

And that did not happen.

Barack Gruber:

We want.

Barack Gruber:

We won.

Barack Gruber:

We won Best podcast.

Barack Gruber:

And we're still sitting.

Barack Gruber:

You know.

Winnie Tata:

I was like, why am I not a millionaire yet?

Winnie Tata:

It's been two days.

Zach King:

What's happening?

Winnie Tata:

What is happening?

Winnie Tata:

But after that, I.

Winnie Tata:

While I was doing research on, like, how to market your book One of the ideas I saw a lot was like, oh, you can write about.

Winnie Tata:

Like, you're behind the scenes.

Winnie Tata:

You know what you're doing.

Winnie Tata:

And I was like, oh, more writing.

Winnie Tata:

Sign me up.

Winnie Tata:

So I started just writing.

Winnie Tata:

It was really beginning.

Winnie Tata:

Just a hot pod, just things like me, like, what am I doing right now?

Winnie Tata:

What am I writing?

Winnie Tata:

Maybe some cooking blog about what me and my dad are cooking in the kitchen.

Winnie Tata:

Like, just random things.

Winnie Tata:

And then:

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

And literally the week before we shut everything down, I had released my second book.

Winnie Tata:

It was March 6, and I was like, fun.

Winnie Tata:

So, yeah.

Zach King:

You're like, well, Fauci's on tv.

Zach King:

I wonder what he's talking about.

Zach King:

Ian Sin.

Barack Gruber:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

Really had my book launch and we were.

Winnie Tata:

I was scheduled to do a trip in New York.

Winnie Tata:

I was going to be new artists.

Winnie Tata:

I was so excited.

Winnie Tata:

And.

Winnie Tata:

And then I was home forever.

Winnie Tata:

And I.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

And I, you know, I didn't really have much else to do.

Winnie Tata:

I was steadily trying to connect with more authors, not just readers, but, like, asking them, like, hey, how did you become a bestseller?

Winnie Tata:

Or like, what are you doing on your marketing strategies?

Winnie Tata:

Or how are you figuring out writing, like, multiple series and things like that.

Winnie Tata:

And as I was doing that, I kept seeing a lot of other authors who are also new writers, were struggling with getting promotions or figuring out what to do or what steps.

Winnie Tata:

And I was like, well, I already have a blog.

Winnie Tata:

I might as well just keep writing about what to do or how to find things or how I can help and how I can help market to other authors and help them with promotions and what works for me or what doesn't work or what works for other authors.

Winnie Tata:

And I, you know, just.

Winnie Tata:

I kept going and now I have a full vlog of, you know, so many different topics on publishing and editing and editing and.

Winnie Tata:

And just the indie publication world.

Winnie Tata:

And, you know, I've been able to just thankfully help and connect so many other writers that I was like, that was the goal.

Winnie Tata:

And I'm so happy I'm able to continuously achieve that as, you know, the years go on.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Barack Gruber:

Let me.

Barack Gruber:

Writing, I mean, being a writer, you're facing challenges already, but.

Barack Gruber:

But I think.

Barack Gruber:

I think one of the things that I always come down to, and I've done some audio.

Barack Gruber:

Some audiobook recordings, I primarily try to stick to the ones that don't have characters, where the author wants multiple character voices for them.

Barack Gruber:

But that difficulty for me, I don't even think it comes close to the complexities of the characters because you have to you have to remember all the traits.

Barack Gruber:

What goes into that process for you?

Winnie Tata:

Oh, boy, oh, boy.

Winnie Tata:

I get to talk about my PowerPoints.

Winnie Tata:

So I am very much a planner and an organizer.

Winnie Tata:

So much so every book I have and the overarching God Scion series has a PowerPoint.

Winnie Tata:

Each PowerPoint is minimum 100 slides.

Barack Gruber:

Good.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, I'm a little crazy, but I like to give.

Winnie Tata:

I just.

Winnie Tata:

I like to stay ready and be ready because then you don't got to get ready.

Winnie Tata:

So I write about.

Winnie Tata:

Literally, I have every character that's going to be in the book.

Winnie Tata:

I have characters that really don't even appear into the book series until, like, the fifth book.

Winnie Tata:

And I have, you know, who they married, who they diverse, how many kids, how many dogs, how many cats, are they allergic to peanuts?

Winnie Tata:

Or, like, I have all of this extra information just for my own sanity, just in case.

Winnie Tata:

I'm like, well, I can add this as a fun little tidbit or I can add this to build characters.

Zach King:

So you'll need it for the fanboys.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

And again, when, you know, readers ask me questions, I'm like, oh, fun fact.

Winnie Tata:

I actually wrote about that in a PowerPoint.

Zach King:

That's so smart.

Winnie Tata:

Yes, yes.

Winnie Tata:

And it helps a lot because I, you know, it helps, especially with writing a series, consistency and plot holes, because I can go back and read and say, okay, well, this character doesn't like doing this thing, so this makes no sense.

Winnie Tata:

Or this character wouldn't do this.

Winnie Tata:

Or, you know, they speak this language, so this is their tonal inflections.

Winnie Tata:

And I can add that into the story and have character be built through that, too.

Winnie Tata:

So, you know, creating those, I call them like mini character guides or book guides.

Winnie Tata:

I.

Winnie Tata:

Well, not many.

Winnie Tata:

They're pretty big.

Winnie Tata:

But book guides, I make for each story, and I add to them as I'm writing as well.

Winnie Tata:

So, you know, I can, like, now writing book six, I can look back on, you know, book one's book guide and say, oh, I can pick, like, this thing from this character and add it now so it's consistent.

Winnie Tata:

And, you know, some people who are reading through can be like, oh, she just mentioned that.

Winnie Tata:

She mentioned that three books ago, because that's how I perceive it, that, you know, there are people who are going to just speed run through each book as they have them.

Winnie Tata:

And, you know, because I know I do that.

Winnie Tata:

So I think, okay, if I'm reading book one and now I'm on book three, and I see an inconsistency, like, I'm gonna know that I'm gonna see like, hey, Puho.

Winnie Tata:

Right there, right there.

Winnie Tata:

You missed it.

Winnie Tata:

See, you said this person had ginger hair and now they got blonde hair.

Winnie Tata:

What happened?

Winnie Tata:

So I'm always that person who notices in books, so I always like to make sure I can as much as I can, you know, keep it consistent and, you know, keep people in the fantasy.

Winnie Tata:

Because I think when, you know, the.

Winnie Tata:

It's the little things that just kind of throws it for your loop.

Winnie Tata:

You're like, oh, what happened?

Winnie Tata:

How did we get here?

Winnie Tata:

So that's usually how I.

Winnie Tata:

Again, I just over organize and detail things that, you know, help me really build out the characters.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, but I feel like you have to be, because.

Barack Gruber:

And my next question is, what sort of critiques do you get when it.

Barack Gruber:

When it comes to your books?

Barack Gruber:

Like, do you have.

Barack Gruber:

Do you have critics that are that.

Barack Gruber:

That.

Barack Gruber:

That are down to that minute detail?

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, I haven't.

Winnie Tata:

I think really only again, when I released the first book is when I had the most critique.

Winnie Tata:

And again, I.

Winnie Tata:

I really didn't know what I was doing, so I was just like, again, here's the book.

Winnie Tata:

I'm done.

Winnie Tata:

And people are like, come back, come back, dearie.

Winnie Tata:

That's.

Winnie Tata:

That's not how that works.

Winnie Tata:

But I think now most of the time, the critiques I might get is that, you know, people might read the books out of order.

Winnie Tata:

But outside of that, I think the biggest thing is always characters and people who.

Winnie Tata:

Mainly who people hate.

Winnie Tata:

And there's mainly two particular characters that people do not like.

Winnie Tata:

And I'm like, yes, because I love writing about it.

Winnie Tata:

So I don't really get too many outwardly critiques unless it's maybe someone who was like, oh, I was not expecting to be hit with all this trauma.

Winnie Tata:

And I'm like, really?

Winnie Tata:

You didn't read the first book and the blurb where I talk about alcoholism and drug abuse?

Winnie Tata:

And I was like, I thought that was a little, you know, I thought I made a little clear that this is going to be a doozy.

Barack Gruber:

But, yeah, I call them trolls.

Barack Gruber:

They're jackals or trolls is what they are.

Zach King:

Have you had any of your books read for, like, Audible or anything like that?

Winnie Tata:

No, not yet.

Winnie Tata:

It was something I.

Winnie Tata:

Sorry, I haven't.

Winnie Tata:

Like, I first needed to find people to do it and then.

Winnie Tata:

And then actually get it done.

Winnie Tata:

But it's.

Winnie Tata:

It's always.

Winnie Tata:

It was.

Winnie Tata:

It was something.

Winnie Tata:

I was always going like, okay, once this happens, then I can do it.

Winnie Tata:

And then I started a publishing company, and I was like, oh, well, we.

Zach King:

Can do a tryout right now.

Barack Gruber:

That's right.

Zach King:

All right, all right.

Zach King:

Give me.

Zach King:

Give me a character.

Zach King:

Give me some of his traits.

Winnie Tata:

Okay.

Zach King:

You know, give me.

Zach King:

Give me some details.

Winnie Tata:

Okay.

Winnie Tata:

Okay.

Winnie Tata:

I'll give you our.

Winnie Tata:

One of our main characters.

Winnie Tata:

I'll give you Prince Roderick again.

Winnie Tata:

He's our sassy boy.

Winnie Tata:

He's early 20s.

Winnie Tata:

He has some red hair.

Winnie Tata:

He is a prince.

Winnie Tata:

But he is again, he has a snappy comeback for everything.

Winnie Tata:

You're like, how's the weather?

Winnie Tata:

He's like, I don't know.

Winnie Tata:

You're here too.

Winnie Tata:

Why are you asking me?

Winnie Tata:

He's one of those.

Barack Gruber:

That sounds like one of my lines.

Barack Gruber:

And not to deviate, but I'll just say.

Barack Gruber:

When I worked in radio, one of the things that I hated doing was.

Barack Gruber:

Was giving weather forecasts where I'd be like, it's 68 degrees, clear skies, looking at a low tonight of 52.

Barack Gruber:

Some rain coming in tomorrow.

Barack Gruber:

And then I.

Barack Gruber:

No doubt I would have somebody get on the phone, or I'd answer the phone, and they say, it's raining in my house.

Barack Gruber:

And it's like, great, then just go with that.

Barack Gruber:

That's your forecast.

Barack Gruber:

You.

Barack Gruber:

You're outside.

Barack Gruber:

You know what it's doing.

Barack Gruber:

Anyway.

Barack Gruber:

Okay, sorry.

Barack Gruber:

Continue, Zach.

Barack Gruber:

You are Prince Roderick.

Barack Gruber:

Roderick.

Zach King:

You're standing in the same weather.

Zach King:

I am.

Zach King:

Does it feel like rain?

Zach King:

Is the dawn sun shining on both of our skins?

Barack Gruber:

That's good.

Winnie Tata:

That is good.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

I like that.

Winnie Tata:

That was great.

Zach King:

Listen, I can tweak it.

Zach King:

Listen, I can take notes.

Zach King:

I'm a new.

Winnie Tata:

Take notes.

Barack Gruber:

Maybe that's what we need to do, Zach.

Barack Gruber:

And you and I should team up on doing some of the audiobooks.

Barack Gruber:

I'll just do an ogre, too.

Barack Gruber:

Just read the new.

Barack Gruber:

The narration, and then you'll do the characters.

Zach King:

Yeah, dude, we can totally do that.

Barack Gruber:

I think Wendy's book is the first book.

Barack Gruber:

That's right.

Winnie Tata:

Yay.

Zach King:

We only start.

Zach King:

We only start asking for money if we come back.

Zach King:

If we have to come back.

Zach King:

Okay.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Barack Gruber:

I don't know how many more real estate books I can read.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, I read on.

Zach King:

I can read math.

Winnie Tata:

I made that very clear.

Winnie Tata:

I was like, we will not publish.

Winnie Tata:

It's always the things you say no to.

Winnie Tata:

And I had, like, maybe four people who are chefs.

Winnie Tata:

They're like, hey, I have a cookbook.

Winnie Tata:

I said, awesome.

Winnie Tata:

I'm not doing that.

Zach King:

This is not for cooking, darling.

Winnie Tata:

But I will definitely buy and make your food.

Winnie Tata:

But I'm not publishing it.

Barack Gruber:

So that's.

Barack Gruber:

So that's.

Barack Gruber:

That's another part of this.

Barack Gruber:

So you have WINS Books, which is your.

Barack Gruber:

Your.

Barack Gruber:

The books you've written.

Barack Gruber:

You have Wins Books Publishing.

Barack Gruber:

You have the Writing Faye Literary Magazine, PotMWBP Poetry Contest, Wins Literary Lounge, and then WM Comics, Comic, Graphic novel imprint.

Barack Gruber:

So, you know, how do you have time to sit down with us for a podcast?

Zach King:

She's like, I'm writing right now.

Winnie Tata:

Yep.

Winnie Tata:

I.

Winnie Tata:

I'm like over here on, like, my right hand is just like.

Winnie Tata:

And then chapter scene.

Zach King:

Yep, yep.

Zach King:

You got a whole new book going about two chuckleheads who don't know what you're talking about.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Barack Gruber:

And I'm gonna know that I'm in there when I read the decrepit old.

Barack Gruber:

The bearded.

Zach King:

Merritt and I watch Dumb and Dumber and he goes, wait a minute.

Zach King:

I'm like, it's not us.

Zach King:

It's not us.

Barack Gruber:

That's right.

Winnie Tata:

Merit and Mac.

Winnie Tata:

That's.

Barack Gruber:

So how many.

Barack Gruber:

How many authors do you currently have under wins book publishing?

Winnie Tata:

So currently we have 10 authors, if I'm not mistake it.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

So 10 writers.

Winnie Tata:

And one of them is one of our comic book artists, which we'll be announcing later this month because I'm excited about.

Barack Gruber:

That's exciting.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

I always joke.

Winnie Tata:

I was like, I don't know how we did this because we celebrate our one year anniversary in April of next year.

Barack Gruber:

Congratulations.

Zach King:

One year.

Zach King:

And you already have this going on.

Zach King:

It's.

Zach King:

That's awesome.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

I don't.

Winnie Tata:

I don't know what I've done, bro.

Zach King:

What have you done?

Zach King:

What are you into now?

Zach King:

Like, yeah.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

I was.

Winnie Tata:

I was literally talking to one of our.

Winnie Tata:

Because we.

Winnie Tata:

I do meet meetings and check ins with all my authors.

Winnie Tata:

So I was talking to her.

Winnie Tata:

I was like, yeah, we're not doing too much, April, because that's, you know, our one year anniversary.

Winnie Tata:

She's like, one year?

Winnie Tata:

I was like, yeah, girl, it's been a year yet she's like, dude, it's.

Zach King:

Been 10 years where I'm standing.

Zach King:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Barack Gruber:

I've aged like a president.

Zach King:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

I.

Winnie Tata:

I hope.

Winnie Tata:

I hope I age like a first lady.

Winnie Tata:

That's.

Barack Gruber:

There you go.

Barack Gruber:

There you go.

Zach King:

Barrett's 22.

Zach King:

Look at him.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, this is.

Barack Gruber:

This is.

Barack Gruber:

This is.

Barack Gruber:

I was gonna say something really bad and probably alienate half our audience.

Winnie Tata:

So.

Winnie Tata:

See, now I.

Winnie Tata:

Not.

Winnie Tata:

This is idiot.

Winnie Tata:

But I do remember there was a few guys in high school who were balding and I was like, baby, you're 16.

Winnie Tata:

Why is this.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, I was like, I thought they were joking when they Said y'all, we had.

Zach King:

We had a dude with full gray hair when I was in high school, and I was just like, yo.

Barack Gruber:

My parents.

Barack Gruber:

My parents didn't gray until their 60s.

Barack Gruber:

And I'm like, in my.

Barack Gruber:

In my 40s.

Barack Gruber:

And it's, it's.

Barack Gruber:

It's just.

Barack Gruber:

It's.

Barack Gruber:

It's all.

Barack Gruber:

It's all happening.

Zach King:

My dad passed away when he was 54, but he had a full gray beard.

Barack Gruber:

Oh, yeah.

Winnie Tata:

So I started giving my dad his grades at 30.

Winnie Tata:

You're welcome.

Barack Gruber:

So I'm gonna.

Barack Gruber:

I'm gonna.

Barack Gruber:

Were you the root cause?

Zach King:

I got some.

Zach King:

I got some.

Barack Gruber:

So I'm gonna.

Barack Gruber:

I'm gonna throw this at you and, and you tell me if you think this is a good idea.

Barack Gruber:

And I think Zach and I could write greeting cards and, or, you know, and then.

Barack Gruber:

And then we get them illustrated.

Barack Gruber:

Could.

Barack Gruber:

Could there be a potential for wins, greeting cards in there?

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

Listen, I.

Winnie Tata:

Anything literary or stationary, I'm.

Winnie Tata:

That's the only.

Winnie Tata:

Like, I will say no to certain things for certain things.

Winnie Tata:

I'm like, books, paper, pens.

Winnie Tata:

Sign me up.

Winnie Tata:

Sign me up.

Barack Gruber:

I think.

Zach King:

And I can draw.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Zach King:

So I can just draw them for you.

Zach King:

Yeah.

Barack Gruber:

These are.

Barack Gruber:

I'm telling you, we could.

Barack Gruber:

We could come up with some seriously funny, you know, depressing greeting cards.

Zach King:

Oh, don't.

Zach King:

Barrett will make them depressing.

Zach King:

And then I'll start erasing a lot and be like, what rhymes.

Winnie Tata:

This is.

Barack Gruber:

So most of the time, greeting cards are just a one line joke.

Barack Gruber:

You know, those are.

Zach King:

Put it this way.

Zach King:

Barrett tried telling a joke, and it was about someone's goldfish dying, and we were all like, that was a joke.

Zach King:

You preface this as a joke.

Zach King:

Here's.

Barack Gruber:

Here's the problem.

Zach King:

Cried.

Barack Gruber:

I know.

Zach King:

Yeah.

Zach King:

That's the funny part.

Barack Gruber:

I.

Barack Gruber:

I don't.

Barack Gruber:

I don't know.

Barack Gruber:

It was.

Barack Gruber:

Ultimately, it came down to the fact that the kid ate his own goldfish and.

Zach King:

Okay, see.

Winnie Tata:

You left that part out purposely.

Barack Gruber:

As long as.

Barack Gruber:

As long as we're improving, you know, go dark.

Barack Gruber:

Always go dark.

Barack Gruber:

No, but, you know, go dark.

Zach King:

Yeah, that's right.

Barack Gruber:

I think.

Barack Gruber:

I think that's one of those things that, like greeting cards, is a really untapped market when it comes to, you know, because Hallmark is now you sound like Mr.

Zach King:

Deeds.

Barack Gruber:

You're right.

Barack Gruber:

You're right.

Winnie Tata:

Now.

Barack Gruber:

And I'm like, for a 15% stake.

Zach King:

In our business, we have the concept of a plane.

Winnie Tata:

Like, that's a market I'm not ready to venture into.

Winnie Tata:

So for that, I'm out.

Barack Gruber:

That's Fantastic.

Winnie Tata:

I should try to go up there and be like greeting cards.

Zach King:

Be like, ma'am, now I know exactly what a concept of a plan is.

Zach King:

It's parrot pitching greeting cards.

Barack Gruber:

I'm gonna work on it.

Barack Gruber:

I'm gonna work on it.

Barack Gruber:

We'll come up, we'll come up with a few greeting cards and we'll present them to you and we'll see what, we'll see what you think.

Zach King:

Wendy, thank you for dealing with our shenanigans because that's just absolutely.

Winnie Tata:

Listen my, like I said, this public, all of me and my outlets, we are all shenanigans.

Winnie Tata:

We're just controlled chaos at this moment and probably will be throughout.

Barack Gruber:

That is such an oxymoron.

Barack Gruber:

Controlled chaos.

Winnie Tata:

Oh yeah.

Zach King:

So it was a concept of a plane.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Barack Gruber:

You have to be very forgiving in those situations.

Barack Gruber:

All right, grandpa, come along.

Barack Gruber:

I do, I do want to ask one more.

Barack Gruber:

So last question before we get to our.

Barack Gruber:

Because Winnie, being being that you are a non political guest and it's your first time on our show, we.

Barack Gruber:

You can't see it.

Barack Gruber:

There it is.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, we have our seven questions we're going to ask you here in a second.

Barack Gruber:

But the last question I want to ask you is tell us about any upcoming projects.

Barack Gruber:

I know you just mentioned that you have, I guess the comic book or the graphic novels.

Barack Gruber:

That's coming up at the end of this month.

Barack Gruber:

Right.

Barack Gruber:

Is there anything else that we can look forward to?

Winnie Tata:

There's a lot.

Barack Gruber:

Oh goodness.

Zach King:

You get two.

Zach King:

I'm just kidding.

Zach King:

Go ahead.

Winnie Tata:

So for our literary magazine, the writing fee, we are now accepting submissions for short story and artwork.

Barack Gruber:

Very cool.

Winnie Tata:

And there are all of the guidelines on our website@winsbooks publishing.com.

Winnie Tata:

gotta remember which website is what.

Winnie Tata:

Okay then for our poetry of the month or poem of the month, that's PLTM, that will start in December 9th.

Winnie Tata:

And it's not me judging the poetry, but it's anonymously judged poetry that are following different things for each month.

Winnie Tata:

And we, at the end of the 20, 25 years of December, what we do, we'll compile all the winners and their artwork, well, excuse me, in their poetry and make an anthology book for them to also have, showcase and sell as well.

Winnie Tata:

It is free to enter into the contest.

Winnie Tata:

And when you do enter and you win, you get of course a fun little badge that says you won.

Winnie Tata:

You get posted on the website, you get a WINS Books interview and you get to be the star of one of the months open mic nights and get to actually speak to your poetry.

Winnie Tata:

Live in person.

Winnie Tata:

Very cool.

Barack Gruber:

Possible.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

So a lot going on.

Barack Gruber:

That's really.

Barack Gruber:

That's really cool.

Barack Gruber:

So poetry of the month.

Barack Gruber:

That's very cool.

Barack Gruber:

I like that.

Zach King:

My favorite poet, Charles Bukowski.

Zach King:

The Lightning behind the Mountain and the Bone Palace Ballet.

Zach King:

I don't know if you ever heard of Charles Bukowski.

Zach King:

He was very good.

Winnie Tata:

Okay.

Zach King:

I actually had a Francis Ford Coppola movie made about him.

Barack Gruber:

Oh, really?

Winnie Tata:

Fun fact.

Zach King:

Called Barfly.

Zach King:

Yep.

Barack Gruber:

Interesting.

Zach King:

Check it out.

Zach King:

He's a great poet.

Barack Gruber:

Best godfather.

Barack Gruber:

Well, which godfather movie was the best one?

Zach King:

I don't like mob movies, so I think they're all garbage.

Barack Gruber:

Wow.

Winnie Tata:

Oh.

Winnie Tata:

Oh.

Winnie Tata:

See you.

Zach King:

Right, guys going like, what are you doing?

Zach King:

I.

Zach King:

I don't know.

Zach King:

I think he's put your spaghetti on my thigh.

Zach King:

And I think the block is gonna hear about it.

Barack Gruber:

There was so much bigotry in that.

Winnie Tata:

I apologize to the Italians of.

Zach King:

Actual Italians.

Zach King:

I said mobsters.

Barack Gruber:

You did.

Barack Gruber:

I know, but you did an impression.

Zach King:

The father wants to.

Zach King:

That's my De Niro.

Zach King:

I got nipples, Greg.

Zach King:

Can you milk me?

Zach King:

Like, it's exactly.

Zach King:

I cannot stand it.

Zach King:

The whole time I'm watching, I'm just like, what is this?

Zach King:

It's a guy in a suit threatening me.

Zach King:

I can't.

Barack Gruber:

Well, Winnie, I want to thank you very much for being on the show with us.

Barack Gruber:

We're going to do seven questions a second.

Barack Gruber:

But I want to remind everybody.

Barack Gruber:

It's.

Barack Gruber:

It WINS Books.

Barack Gruber:

WINS Books.

Barack Gruber:

Hold on.

Barack Gruber:

I got.

Barack Gruber:

I got it.

Barack Gruber:

I got it in front of me.

Barack Gruber:

I got to go back to it.

Zach King:

I'll fill the time.

Zach King:

Come back here.

Zach King:

You got your Cannoli.

Barack Gruber:

It's Winslow.

Barack Gruber:

Winsbooks blog as well.

Barack Gruber:

Winsbooks publishing blog.

Barack Gruber:

Correct.

Barack Gruber:

Calm dot com.

Barack Gruber:

Winsbook publishing.com miss dot com.

Barack Gruber:

All right, I got it fixed now.

Barack Gruber:

All right.

Barack Gruber:

Winsbooks blog.

Barack Gruber:

You can find all the information, including the blog that gives people insights into everything that.

Barack Gruber:

That goes into the process of creating the books and the characters and the story.

Barack Gruber:

So check that out.

Barack Gruber:

You have two book series right now currently available.

Barack Gruber:

Three books in both the series.

Barack Gruber:

Am I right?

Winnie Tata:

I have what?

Winnie Tata:

It's one series.

Barack Gruber:

It's one series.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

So the God Scion series, it's on book five was released this August and the last book in.

Winnie Tata:

he series will be released in:

Barack Gruber:

Okay.

Winnie Tata:

And then I.

Winnie Tata:

I will rest for, like, three months and then write a new series.

Zach King:

Hey, buckle up for that ending.

Zach King:

We all.

Zach King:

We're all gonna read it, and we have to know.

Winnie Tata:

Oh, I already know.

Winnie Tata:

Like, I.

Winnie Tata:

I finished the outline, and I finished, like, the big.

Winnie Tata:

The final big reveal that, like, all the books I've been accumulating up to.

Winnie Tata:

And I'm like, some people are gonna be alone.

Zach King:

Listen, as long as Jon Snow gets the Iron Throne, I'm fine.

Barack Gruber:

You know, what if it.

Barack Gruber:

As long as it's not, like, the ending to the Penguin or the.

Barack Gruber:

Or the opening to Yellowstone this week.

Barack Gruber:

Brutal.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

See, I.

Winnie Tata:

I won't promise anything.

Winnie Tata:

All I know is that I have had some readers say, if I don't get a happy ending, Winnie, I'm coming to South Carolina.

Winnie Tata:

What do you.

Winnie Tata:

What do you mean?

Winnie Tata:

They're like, if my main ship does not survive these six books, I'm at your door.

Zach King:

And I'm like, that's when you test how serious they are.

Zach King:

And then a cannonball came.

Winnie Tata:

You're literally like, who did you kill in this book?

Barack Gruber:

I'm like, yeah, no, no, no.

Barack Gruber:

You do.

Barack Gruber:

You do exactly what Michael Crichton did, and he ends every single one of his books.

Barack Gruber:

Not every one of them, but for the most part, Michael Crichton's books, they end basically the same way.

Barack Gruber:

Everything's building up.

Barack Gruber:

We look.

Barack Gruber:

It looks like everything's gonna be.

Barack Gruber:

You know, either.

Barack Gruber:

Either it's gonna be like, this catastrophic event, you know what?

Barack Gruber:

Or that's basically how they ended.

Barack Gruber:

They all end in catastrophic events.

Barack Gruber:

Because I assume Michael Crichton, before he died, had rent to pay.

Barack Gruber:

And it was like, let me get this out the door so I can make rent.

Zach King:

The T.

Zach King:

Rex ain't the lawyer, but he had ongoing litigations.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, but I definitely, like, I'm that author.

Winnie Tata:

Everyone's like, did you kill another character in this book?

Winnie Tata:

And I'm like, how mad do you want to be at me today?

Winnie Tata:

Like, that's right.

Winnie Tata:

They're like, do you kill any main characters?

Zach King:

Every book will have a red wedding, and you will enjoy it.

Winnie Tata:

One of my friends, he said, your books are giving me chest issues because I'm scared to ask you.

Winnie Tata:

Like, I keep asking.

Winnie Tata:

I'm like, who's your favorite character?

Winnie Tata:

I'm like, he's like, I can't tell you.

Winnie Tata:

You might kill them.

Barack Gruber:

I'm like, yep, that's fair.

Zach King:

That's for you, Phil.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, I was like, the main characters are.

Winnie Tata:

Well.

Winnie Tata:

She's like, see?

Winnie Tata:

I'm like, they.

Winnie Tata:

They.

Zach King:

That's when you.

Zach King:

That's when you laugh.

Zach King:

You're like, oh, you thought they were a main character?

Barack Gruber:

Well, make sure to check out Wins Books Blog, WinsBook Blog, and WinsBooks Publishing.com.

Barack Gruber:

so check that out.

Barack Gruber:

All right, Winnie, are you ready for our seven questions?

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Barack Gruber:

All right, here's your first question.

Barack Gruber:

What was the last thing that you googled?

Zach King:

And it can't be the All About Nothing podcast.

Barack Gruber:

Be honest.

Winnie Tata:

How long can a hand survive without its host?

Zach King:

That's dark.

Winnie Tata:

Look, I told y'all.

Barack Gruber:

That's good.

Zach King:

That's, that's, that was my Tuesday Google.

Zach King:

I'm right there with you.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, so that, that's a first for.

Winnie Tata:

My FBI agent listening.

Winnie Tata:

This was for research purposes, for the work I'm doing, you know.

Barack Gruber:

For my, for my parole officer.

Barack Gruber:

Look, habits are hard to break.

Zach King:

Fun is fun.

Zach King:

Don't frown.

Barack Gruber:

That's right.

Barack Gruber:

All right, question number two.

Barack Gruber:

If you could have one superpower, what would it be?

Winnie Tata:

Ooh, probably to teleport.

Barack Gruber:

Okay.

Barack Gruber:

Teleportation.

Winnie Tata:

Yield.

Zach King:

It's a transmission.

Winnie Tata:

I just want to be able to go to places.

Winnie Tata:

Like, I'm, like, I'm feeling macarons.

Winnie Tata:

Boom, I'm in France.

Winnie Tata:

I'm just mere seat and I'm back here like, oh, I don't want to deal with traffic.

Winnie Tata:

Boom, I'm here.

Barack Gruber:

Oh, so we're talking like, we're talking like in some cases, like some like far teleport.

Barack Gruber:

I like night crawler, like transport, you know, teleport right next to the Bahamas.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going.

Zach King:

I'm with winning.

Zach King:

When I say, when I say teleporting, I'm talking.

Zach King:

I want to be on Mars real quick.

Zach King:

I'm Dr.

Zach King:

Manhattan Strength on this thing.

Zach King:

I'm gonna go sit on.

Zach King:

Sit on the moon if I need to.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

I'm taking a cute little selfie on the moon and I'm back here like.

Zach King:

Yeah, exactly to the picture.

Barack Gruber:

The selfie you're gonna take on the moon is gonna be.

Zach King:

Sorry, you're wearing a space suit.

Winnie Tata:

I'm a borrow a little cute little, you know, space suit.

Barack Gruber:

An environmental.

Winnie Tata:

And then I'm gonna do like a IOU sticker back to them like, thanks.

Zach King:

Barry should not have teleportation because he would have just gone to the moon.

Zach King:

I would have the moonlight.

Barack Gruber:

Exactly.

Barack Gruber:

I would have murdered myself.

Barack Gruber:

Not on purpose.

Zach King:

You'd be like.

Zach King:

And there's no bacteria, so you just forever, like in a semi falling stage.

Winnie Tata:

There'S going to teleport next to me and be like, how did this.

Winnie Tata:

Ah, he forgot the space suit.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, that's exactly right.

Barack Gruber:

All right, third question.

Barack Gruber:

If your movie.

Barack Gruber:

I'm sorry, if your life were a movie.

Barack Gruber:

What.

Barack Gruber:

What would the title be.

Winnie Tata:

Add More Pink.

Barack Gruber:

Okay.

Zach King:

That is such a good title for a movie.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Zach King:

And a lot of our guests don't understand that question and just say, like, Forrest Gump.

Zach King:

You're like, no, you created the title, so that's perfect.

Barack Gruber:

Congratulations.

Barack Gruber:

You just won an Emmy.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Barack Gruber:

Or an Oscar.

Barack Gruber:

Add more Pink.

Barack Gruber:

Good.

Barack Gruber:

All right, number four.

Barack Gruber:

If you could eat one food for the rest of your life, what would it be?

Winnie Tata:

I love food.

Barack Gruber:

Me, too.

Winnie Tata:

Let's see.

Winnie Tata:

That's hard.

Winnie Tata:

I.

Winnie Tata:

I could either sushi.

Winnie Tata:

One of my.

Winnie Tata:

Because my parents are Cameronians, I'm Cameroonian, so either one of my favorite dishes is ekwang, which is coca leaves wrapped in usually pounded cassava and boiled with a red stew and meat.

Winnie Tata:

And it's so good.

Barack Gruber:

Okay.

Winnie Tata:

And it tastes.

Winnie Tata:

Well, it takes me forever to make, but it's so good.

Winnie Tata:

I would either have that or sushi.

Winnie Tata:

So either something very hearty and warm or just fish and rice.

Barack Gruber:

All right.

Zach King:

That's like a labor of love.

Barack Gruber:

Which one?

Barack Gruber:

Sushi.

Winnie Tata:

You didn't name two equine.

Winnie Tata:

I have to go.

Winnie Tata:

Have to go with yes.

Barack Gruber:

All right.

Zach King:

Apropos of that, I remember being, like, 12 and eating a peanut butter and jelly and be like, if I had one wish and one food to eat, it'd be peanut butter and jelly.

Zach King:

I'd be so mad.

Zach King:

If that wish worked today, I'd be like, I don't know.

Zach King:

Everything's peanut butter jelly for me.

Barack Gruber:

All right, question number five.

Barack Gruber:

What is your least favorite candy and why?

Winnie Tata:

Milk Duds.

Barack Gruber:

Milk Duds.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

They have a terrible name, visually unoppealed.

Winnie Tata:

They look funky.

Winnie Tata:

They look like little animal turds.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, I don't.

Barack Gruber:

I don't disagree.

Winnie Tata:

Who made that?

Winnie Tata:

I need a.

Winnie Tata:

I know the creator's probably gone, but we need to do a seance or something, because we need.

Zach King:

I'm still here, Herman.

Winnie Tata:

Milk Dud is why, like, what?

Winnie Tata:

You say Milk and Dud like that, and said.

Winnie Tata:

Oh, that.

Winnie Tata:

That's a name.

Barack Gruber:

The inventor of the Milk Dud, Franklin d.

Barack Gruber:

Milk Dud.

Zach King:

Mr.

Winnie Tata:

Milk.

Barack Gruber:

There's no way he got out of fourth grade without getting a purple nurple or something.

Zach King:

Hey, Milk Dud, what are you eating?

Zach King:

One day in movies, you'll be throwing them at people in the front row.

Winnie Tata:

They make a nasty candy and then are confused why they're still getting bullied.

Winnie Tata:

Like, if I do not condone bullying, but.

Winnie Tata:

No, we need to talk to somebody.

Winnie Tata:

Someone needs to get a wedgie or a spitball or something.

Barack Gruber:

I don't condone violence.

Barack Gruber:

Against other people.

Barack Gruber:

But somebody take care of this one.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

Because I, you know, Halloween just passed and it's always, you try to get your little bag of chocolate, and they have them there.

Winnie Tata:

It's.

Winnie Tata:

And they don't have it any other time.

Barack Gruber:

That's fair.

Winnie Tata:

I've never seen, like, a box of Milk Duds movie theaters.

Winnie Tata:

Because no one.

Barack Gruber:

There was a time.

Barack Gruber:

There was a time movie theaters had Milk Duds.

Barack Gruber:

They may still have Milk Duds, but.

Winnie Tata:

The ones I go to.

Zach King:

Oh, hey, hey, I see.

Zach King:

Hold on.

Barack Gruber:

That opens up a whole different question, Winnie.

Zach King:

Are you going to really good ones or am I going to really shitty ones?

Winnie Tata:

Listen, those melts, if you see them, they're just display.

Winnie Tata:

They have been there for probably 40 years.

Winnie Tata:

If you open them, those Milk Dogs are probably milk dust.

Winnie Tata:

It's not, it's just, those are just there for show.

Winnie Tata:

So when the milk does person comes in to go like, oh, are you guys selling?

Winnie Tata:

They're like, yeah, they're up here on the shelf.

Barack Gruber:

Purely out of beer.

Barack Gruber:

Purely out of curiosity, do you think the late, great Peewee Herman did.

Barack Gruber:

They had Milk Duds at his theater?

Zach King:

I let Milk Duds, Dottie, listen, I, I see, I see, I see.

Zach King:

I see your Milk Nuds and I raise you Tootsie Rolls.

Zach King:

No one bites into a Tootsie Rolling like, I made a good.

Winnie Tata:

They're cousins.

Winnie Tata:

They're cousins.

Barack Gruber:

Oh, I don't like.

Zach King:

Older cousin Milk Duds has, like, dry, like, crispy cookies.

Winnie Tata:

Trying to be hip and trying to still fit in.

Winnie Tata:

Mug Dud has accepted its face is like, listen.

Winnie Tata:

They have the call to make the rolls just like, exactly like, the teacher was like, look, I'm flexible and I'm fun and I, I, I can come to the party.

Zach King:

Everyone's like, you get out of here.

Winnie Tata:

Starbursts are looking around like, who invited our Eminem?

Zach King:

Peanut Butters are here.

Zach King:

We don't need you anymore.

Winnie Tata:

Well, you like the M M's and, you know, the fruit.

Winnie Tata:

Did y'all forget to take him off like the.

Zach King:

Why don't you go tell Capitano Roer that the milk.

Zach King:

The, the Milk D showed up?

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, exactly.

Winnie Tata:

And then I can just see the Tootsie going home.

Winnie Tata:

Like, smells good.

Barack Gruber:

You know what?

Barack Gruber:

My nickname.

Zach King:

No one wanted to see this Tootsie Roll.

Barack Gruber:

It just reminded me my nickname in high school.

Barack Gruber:

Milk Dud.

Barack Gruber:

Oh, no.

Zach King:

That was from what was in your underwear after gym class.

Winnie Tata:

A candy.

Winnie Tata:

If you're using a candy as an insult, that's just another strike.

Winnie Tata:

Because.

Zach King:

That is so Fair.

Zach King:

What a great observation.

Zach King:

If a candy's being used as an insult.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Barack Gruber:

Your candy has failed.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Barack Gruber:

It's gonna be, it's gonna be bottom shelf candy.

Winnie Tata:

That's exactly like.

Winnie Tata:

No one's going, haha.

Winnie Tata:

Look at cotton candy.

Barack Gruber:

It's like that's what you.

Barack Gruber:

That's what you try and train your children to not eat candy all the time.

Barack Gruber:

It's like they can only reach for the milk duds at the bottom.

Barack Gruber:

That's.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Zach King:

Hot tamale.

Zach King:

Hot tamale.

Winnie Tata:

No one's going, look at gummy bear.

Winnie Tata:

It's like.

Winnie Tata:

That makes no sense.

Barack Gruber:

All right, question number six.

Barack Gruber:

What is one unusual talent or strange talent that you have that no one knows about or that maybe some people know about and you're just telling us because we didn't know about it?

Winnie Tata:

Let's see what's strange.

Zach King:

You have the talent to wrangle two knuckleheads.

Winnie Tata:

I don't know if it's a.

Winnie Tata:

I don't know if it's a talent, but I used to be really good at telling different types of ham apart.

Winnie Tata:

So like, I could take, like, I, I could differentiate about, like, different, like about seven different types of, like, hams from Honey Black Forest oven Roasted charcoal grill.

Winnie Tata:

Like, I could.

Zach King:

It's a honey glazed ham.

Winnie Tata:

Yep.

Barack Gruber:

That is impressive talent, I can tell you.

Zach King:

Hot ham, cold ham.

Winnie Tata:

Oh, there's.

Barack Gruber:

Okay, one's in the fridge and one's.

Zach King:

Coming out of the oven.

Barack Gruber:

That's.

Barack Gruber:

That is.

Barack Gruber:

That.

Barack Gruber:

That is an unusual talent.

Barack Gruber:

I.

Barack Gruber:

That is.

Barack Gruber:

I'm gonna have to think back on some of the things I can do.

Zach King:

Ham.

Zach King:

You're a fan of ham.

Winnie Tata:

I am.

Barack Gruber:

So.

Barack Gruber:

Okay, then this is, this is a question.

Barack Gruber:

So we.

Barack Gruber:

For dinner a couple nights ago, we had ham, but it was, it was.

Barack Gruber:

It was ham that, that we cooked.

Zach King:

Hamburger, pineapple.

Barack Gruber:

It had pineapple and whatnot.

Zach King:

What.

Barack Gruber:

What typical type of ham do you.

Barack Gruber:

Do you have that has like the pineapple with the sauce and the Christmas.

Winnie Tata:

So the brown sugar glaze.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

That's usually.

Winnie Tata:

Okay.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

I told you.

Winnie Tata:

I'm.

Zach King:

She nailed it right off the bat.

Winnie Tata:

I told you.

Winnie Tata:

I was.

Winnie Tata:

I took my ham serious.

Barack Gruber:

Listen, here is with my hams, more power to you.

Zach King:

I'm a big ham person.

Zach King:

Like, when my family would do Thanksgiving, they had a turkey.

Zach King:

I'm like, I don't want that dry.

Zach King:

I want that sweet ham.

Zach King:

I want that ham.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Zach King:

Can we not do turkey?

Zach King:

Just get a ham?

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah.

Barack Gruber:

All right.

Barack Gruber:

That's an unusual talent.

Barack Gruber:

That's good.

Barack Gruber:

That's look, there's a.

Barack Gruber:

There's been a lot of firsts tonight, that's for sure.

Zach King:

When my new job told me that for thanks for Thanksgiving and Christmas, they'll give you a ham for each holiday, that's what I signed.

Zach King:

That's when I signed.

Zach King:

I said, I don't care how much freehand.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, free ham.

Barack Gruber:

All right, the last question is, if you could have dinner with any three people, dead or alive, who would they be?

Winnie Tata:

Okay, one would definitely have to be my great grandmother who raised my mommy.

Winnie Tata:

I never got to meet her.

Winnie Tata:

She passed before I got here, before I got here, before I landed on Earth.

Barack Gruber:

Hey, look, I come from a different planet, too, so.

Zach King:

Before your spaceship.

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

My second probably Megan Thee Stallion, because we both love anime and I do love her rap.

Winnie Tata:

She's great.

Winnie Tata:

And I just want.

Zach King:

The hamburglar.

Zach King:

I have to meet him.

Winnie Tata:

And let me see my third person.

Winnie Tata:

Would it probably be an artist?

Winnie Tata:

But I feel weird.

Winnie Tata:

It feel like an interview.

Winnie Tata:

So it'd be like.

Winnie Tata:

So your retrospection on color.

Winnie Tata:

Like, I said, it would be fun.

Zach King:

But probably Van Gogh's sitting there.

Zach King:

Like, what?

Winnie Tata:

I probably ask Van Gogh be like, hey, bestie, how are you feeling?

Winnie Tata:

Before we start, like, how.

Winnie Tata:

Yeah, how's everything?

Winnie Tata:

Okay.

Zach King:

He's like, my eyes are itchy, but other than that, ask away what's going on?

Winnie Tata:

Yes.

Winnie Tata:

I would probably be like, I got some notes.

Winnie Tata:

Not notes, but just some questions.

Winnie Tata:

So starry night.

Barack Gruber:

I don't know.

Winnie Tata:

This is.

Barack Gruber:

This is gonna sound awful, but I said I.

Barack Gruber:

I imagine you added you.

Barack Gruber:

You inviting, like, Oedipus and then him trying to invite his mom.

Zach King:

Was your mom that good looking?

Barack Gruber:

I don't know why that came into my head.

Zach King:

Yeah, there's a complex there.

Zach King:

All right.

Barack Gruber:

Yeah, those are.

Barack Gruber:

Those are good.

Barack Gruber:

I think.

Barack Gruber:

I think Megan.

Barack Gruber:

Megan the Stallion.

Zach King:

Xandra, turn the podcast off now.

Barack Gruber:

Here's.

Barack Gruber:

Here's your.

Barack Gruber:

There's your.

Barack Gruber:

You have.

Barack Gruber:

You have reached the end of the show.

Zach King:

I'm calling her now.

Winnie Tata:

I just see a big red warning.

Winnie Tata:

I'm like, oh, did I say it?

Barack Gruber:

No, he just said.

Zach King:

Yeah, he said it.

Zach King:

Yeah, yeah, he mentioned it.

Zach King:

Yep.

Zach King:

Run.

Zach King:

Move.

Winnie Tata:

I'm like, why am I mute all of a sudden?

Winnie Tata:

Like, can y'all hear?

Barack Gruber:

Oh, my gosh.

Barack Gruber:

That's.

Barack Gruber:

Those are good.

Barack Gruber:

Those are good.

Zach King:

Those are great answers.

Barack Gruber:

We have learned a considerable amount, and I appreciate you coming along for the ride on this one because this was a lot of fun.

Barack Gruber:

Look, everybody, make sure to check out winsbooks blog.

Barack Gruber:

You can purchase this through the blog through that website as well.

Barack Gruber:

You plenty a lot.

Barack Gruber:

10 authors I think you said on Wynnbooks publishing.com so go check that out as well.

Barack Gruber:

Winnie, thank you very much for being on the show with us.

Barack Gruber:

It was a pleasure and I, I hope that we get to see you at the next Comic Con here in Columbia or you know, Wilmington or Myrtle Beach.

Barack Gruber:

You know, we've got a lot of.

Winnie Tata:

Them always doing conventions except for now because it's Turkey time and then after Turkey time is Christmas time and then I go hibernate for holidays.

Barack Gruber:

I don't blame you.

Barack Gruber:

I don't blame you.

Barack Gruber:

Not at all.

Barack Gruber:

All right, well Again, check out WinsBooks Blog and WinsBooks publishing.com thank you very much Winnie for being on the show with us.

Barack Gruber:

We'll wrap it up.

Barack Gruber:

This is going to do it for episode number 231.

Barack Gruber:

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Barack Gruber:

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