People Over Politics: Kelly Roberts on Whiskey Wisdom Podcast

In this episode of the Whiskey Wisdom Podcast, co-hosts Tyler and Chris Kellum are joined by special guest Kelly Roberts to discuss his bid for City Council. They delve into various topics including the history of Old Forester 1910 whiskey, traffic congestion solutions, and the importance of adaptive traffic systems. Kelly shares his background as a military veteran and cybersecurity expert and emphasizes the need for adequate police funding and support for local social programs. The conversation also covers the challenges of downtown Wilmington’s social district, the pressing issue of homelessness, and the significance of local elections. Tune in for an enlightening discussion that focuses on placing people over politics.

00:00 Introduction and Special Guest Announcement

00:26 Whiskey Tasting: Old Forester 1910

01:25 Kelly Roberts' Wilmington Journey

02:32 Traffic Solutions and City Planning

03:53 Downtown Wilmington Challenges

06:17 Kelly Roberts' Unique Background

08:21 Cybersecurity and City Infrastructure

14:41 Police Force and Public Safety

18:51 Addressing the Police Force and City Council Run

19:11 The Importance of Local Elections

20:30 Public Speaking and Election Logistics

22:18 Traffic and Urban Development Challenges

23:04 Social District and Community Impact

26:08 Supporting Local Businesses and Public Safety

28:37 Mental Health and Homelessness Initiatives

34:28 Concluding Thoughts and Call to Action

Welcome back to the Whiskey Wisdom Podcast everybody.

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This is your co-host, Tyler, y'all.

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And today I am.

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Chris Kellum and our

special guest today is

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Kelly: Kelly Roberts.

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Tyler: Thanks so much for

coming on Kelly Roberts.

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And as some of our listeners may know

every once in a while, we will do a

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series that's called People Over Politics.

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This is going to be one of those

episodes, so we appreciate you coming on.

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But before we get too far into it,

we're gonna go to Chris real quick and

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talk about what we're sipping on today.

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Chris: So if you're watching

the video version, you can see

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we have this old Forester 1910.

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For those who don't know, there's

a long storied history behind,

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like the whole old Forester and

like their whiskey row series.

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I'm not getting into that today, but

I am gonna tell us a little bit about

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this version that we're sipping on knows

Wise has some of our favorite stuff.

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So sticky toffee, apple.

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So hen of roasted coffee

beans, which I know you love.

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Taste.

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It should be oddly like some

sweet oatmeal raisin cookies.

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Some classic cinnamon spice nut mega

mocha, and it does have a slightly

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dry, finish on there does, which

I think is pretty interesting.

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I think I'm excited 'cause I haven't

had Old Forester in so long, but I

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will say it's one of my favorites.

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It's good stuff.

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Tyler: Yeah.

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This is a solid,

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Chris: so old Forester, a classic.

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It's been around forever.

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A little bit different than you.

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You're new to the area right?

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Kelly: That was a great transition.

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Right?

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Chris: The king of segues over.

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Yeah.

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Let's do, that was perfect.

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Yeah.

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I am

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Kelly: new.

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I've been in Wilmington

for about five years.

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Okay.

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Just like most people, I thought

I'd come here for the beach.

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I lived downtown thinking

I would leave downtown.

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I love it there, man.

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So I've been there for five years.

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Okay.

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And that's kind of how this

whole thing started rolling.

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But I will say when I was doing

government work up in Washington,

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DC I would, I would drive down here.

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It's only, what, five and

a half, six hour drive?

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Yeah.

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It's not too, yeah.

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So I, I would come down to wash

from DC frequently when we started

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having family summer vacations here.

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So I've been around Wilmington.

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I would guess since 2011.

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Oh,

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Chris: nice.

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Mm-hmm.

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I like to see that.

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Kelly: And the traffic was

not that bad back then.

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No, I do remember that.

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Chris: Yes.

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I mean, I've been here my whole

life and I sound like that old dude.

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I'm like the traffic back in my day.

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Like I do understand that traffic does

get worse when you add a lot more people

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to the area, but I know that there's ways

to like fix that and get around that.

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I know that's something that you've.

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Looked into and

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Kelly: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, I spoke when we had our

candidate forum, I mentioned

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intelligent traffic systems.

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That is a little bit of an

upgrade and the, the state

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owns a lot of the lights here.

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However, they have approved that budget.

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All they need somebody to push it forward.

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You guys have to wait till

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Unless you vote me in and

we can get that pushed in.

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Adaptive traffic systems is

what you guys need, okay?

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What it is, it adapts to

the flow of traffic and it's

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not that hard to understand.

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It stays green if there's a lot of cars.

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That's pretty much it.

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Right?

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The problem is you have

to cluster the systems.

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'cause if you have one light that's

adaptive and another light that's

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not adaptive, then the other light

that's not adaptive gets stalled and

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you have traffic on that street now,

so you have to do it in clusters.

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Chris: That makes sense.

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Kelly: Yeah.

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But we all know where the

bad traffic is, right?

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So where would you put it at?

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What, what area of town?

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Chris: There's a few areas in town,

obviously, college and Lander.

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College is my main one, dude is huge.

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And then because I'm on the north side

of town, so Gordon and Market like this.

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Mm-hmm.

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That segue, especially like

the, the military cutoff.

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Yeah.

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Kelly: It's right there.

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If anything could use an

adapted traffic signal.

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Yes.

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It's that man.

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Right.

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So, so there's ways around it.

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Mm-hmm.

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But when you're talking about density.

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I think when people do city planning,

you, you talk about walkability.

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Mm-hmm.

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Which is great.

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Downtown doesn't even

have a grocery store.

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Chris: Nope.

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Kelly: That's a three mile drive.

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We had drive three miles

to go to the grocery store,

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Chris: which is the closest one for you?

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Food Lion.

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That's right.

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In the one up Market Street

or the one in Castle Lane ca?

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No, no,

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Kelly: no, no.

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The other way on Gordon.

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Chris: Oh

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Kelly: yeah.

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And then you go Harris Teeter's

only a little bit further

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down the street, but it's 2.8

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miles, something like that, roughly.

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Chris: Wow.

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Which is crazy.

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Just

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Kelly: kidding.

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It's exactly 2.8.

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I'm a numbers guy.

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We,

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Chris: yeah, I was.

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I remember.

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So when it comes to like voting in, in

such, it's typically in a two year cycle.

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And we had talked about this with one

of our friends a couple years ago about

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like, it is a food desert downtown.

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Yeah.

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Like once you pass a certain spot,

you're hitting bodegas and those are not

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no doubt gonna give you what you need.

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Kelly: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So a lot of that from

what I found is insurance.

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If they put a grocery store

downtown and they've already,

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they approved one at one point in

time, then it kind of stalled out.

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Right?

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The insurance is the thing that that

really keeps 'em from doing that.

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You've got theft, you've got crime.

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Which kind of brings me to the

whole reason, another segue brings

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me, the whole reason I started

running for city council is we have

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a lot of unreported crime downtown.

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I know that crime reported has gone

up 16% think all the stuff that's

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happened that no one talks about.

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It's, it's constant.

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We're talking panhandling, you

know, minor stuff vandalism, I'll

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tell you a vandalism story that's

gonna jar you here in a second.

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But stuff that people don't

hear about and stuff that people

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don't see unless you're there.

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I'm not sure if you guys know

this, but there's no districts

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for city council in Wilmington

that you have to live in, right?

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Yeah.

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Whereas in larger, and this is only a 55

square mile city, so I, I kind of get it.

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And you get the best candidate forward.

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Yeah.

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But I feel like downtown's

forgotten about a little bit.

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Chris: I think so.

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I could agree with that.

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Yeah.

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Like it's a, I I think that it's

a spot where you go downtown to

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visit, but you forget that like

people live there, like, yeah.

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And not in a bad way.

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Like, I go downtown, I'm like, oh,

like that's really pretty building.

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But like, I don't always think of,

oh, like this is a whole neighborhood

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for like, there's thousands

of people that live down here.

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Yeah.

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Man,

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Kelly: those, those condos

above Ruth Chris are like.

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$1.8

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million.

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Oh, wow.

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I didn't realize

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Tyler: that.

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Kelly: Yeah.

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Tyler: That's wild.

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Before we get even too far into it,

one of the main things that makes

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you different is your background too.

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So do you mind just going through

your background a little bit that the

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main parts that make you different

from all the other candidates?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Kelly: So the first thing I think

is I'm the coolest candidate.

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Second one is I'm a military veteran.

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I'm the only veteran

running for city council.

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Okay.

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And I have a technology background.

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Okay.

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So it's a little bit different

than, there's nothing

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against real estate agents.

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It's fine.

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But a lot of these dudes do planning.

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Like planning commission, real

estates, real estate developer.

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There's a common theme amongst Republican

or Democrat candidates in the city.

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Group: Mm-hmm.

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Kelly: Which is fine.

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There's nothing wrong with that.

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But if we're gonna do a system that

doesn't have districts and we're picking

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the best amount of people you would want.

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A variety of people.

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Right.

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You need somebody who's technical.

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We don't have anybody.

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Yeah.

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So I do cybersecurity.

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Okay.

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I didn't do that in the Navy.

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I think a lot of people think I did.

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I was

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Tyler: gonna, yeah.

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I just assumed that

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Kelly: no, man, I was all

testosterone in my twenties.

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I wanted, I boarded ships, carried guns.

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I mean, I, I wanted all

the smoke, so, oh, wow.

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Yeah.

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I did nothing to do with computers.

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That's then I got a little bit older.

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I was, I think I was 33 years old and

I had a security clearance working

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in DC on smart building systems.

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Right.

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And I got approached by a recruiter

to say, Hey, do you think you'd

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do cybersecurity and networking?

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I was like, what is that man?

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I don't know.

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And I took an exam, like an aptitude test.

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Yeah.

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And they're like, dude,

you'd be good for this.

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So I did it and just flew with it, man.

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And that's why I started coming down

to visiting Wilmington about that time.

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Oh, that's awesome.

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Yeah, so I've worked for.

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D-E-A-F-B-I-C-I-A.

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DOD did I say DEA already?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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DEA.

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Yeah.

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Their radio systems went down one time.

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No way from all across the country.

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Dude.

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They couldn't communicate at all.

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They called me to fix it.

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Yeah.

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Oh, wow.

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So I'm pretty high up there.

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Fascinating.

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And I, and I worked with Cisco

Government Solutions through that.

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Good.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So, I was a contractor for

these three letter agencies.

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Gotcha.

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So I'm, I'm not just a guy

who does cybersecurity.

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I'm not a cybersecurity analyst.

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I've got 27 security analysts

that work beneath me.

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So I'm, I'm pretty high up in the

food chain and I, I think that

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we need a network infrastructure

commission to look at our.

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I guess overall rating for, we need

like penetration tests first of all.

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Right?

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So we need a rating to see how

we're doing cybersecurity wise.

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Right now there's no one to do that.

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Other cities do have that.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's

something we can implement.

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And I talked to the mayor about

this and he agrees actually.

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Yeah.

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So I think that's what

we're gonna try to do.

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Chris: That's neat.

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I think that's a like Wilmington.

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Is a small city and everyone

wants it to stay small.

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And I'm like, you can't stop growth.

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You

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Kelly: can't stop it, dude.

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It's becoming, it's an urban

environment at this moment, right?

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It's not,

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Chris: so you have to make those changes.

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Kelly: And also, man, so for North

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year for cyber, for municipalities.

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Municipalities are the

easiest targets, guys.

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They, they set it and forget it.

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You know what I mean?

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It's like a crockpot.

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They just leave there.

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They just let it cook.

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They just wait.

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And, and every other, you know, the

banking systems high level governments,

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we're constantly updating code versions,

constantly looking at the infrastructure.

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It's, it's a never ending job, guys.

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Right.

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And sometimes these municipalities

will leave it, and it's not a, it's not

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like a mass person in Russia says, I'm

gonna hack Wilmington, North Carolina.

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That's not how it works, man.

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It's automated scripts,

automated bots, and they're just

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looking for the weak points.

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They lost millions of dollars

up in Raleigh last year.

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Oh wow.

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But they don't have to report

that till the year later, so.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah.

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And you're talking social security

numbers, data, personal finance records

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stuff on all of our citizens, and we

just, I think we need a commission and I

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could lead that commission to make sure

we have the right engineers on that.

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Tyler: Oh wow.

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That's neat.

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Yeah.

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You should never think of

until it unfortunately happens.

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Until it happens, happens, right?

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Kelly: Yeah.

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That's Wow.

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It's like driving down the street

without a spare tire, really.

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Tyler: Yeah.

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Since we're talking about all the things

that make you different, one of the

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other things that makes you different

too, you don't have an endorsement from

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either the Republicans or the Democrats.

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Kelly: That's right.

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That's right.

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Me and Clifford both.

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Clifford doesn't have one either.

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Okay.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so essentially I

signed up for City Count.

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I was, I was independent.

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The majority of voters in

this county are independent.

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Chris: That sounds right.

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Mm-hmm.

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Kelly: And, and I think we look at

our things on a national level, but

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if you, if you look at the, the things

that we have going on locally, I think

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you'll probably become a Republican.

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If you write down on a piece of

paper the values that you have,

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what you want from your tax dollars.

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I'm talking fundamental aspects of

police department, good hospitals.

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Stuff that the Republican

party stands for.

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So it's not about the country

club polo wearing Republican that

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people think, you know, this is

about your fundamental values.

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So I wanted to run as a

Republican, but I didn't.

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I didn't tell 'em, so I just did it.

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It's a non-partisan race.

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So I get a phone call like a month later.

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They're like, dude, are

you run in as a Republican?

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I was like, yeah.

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So they had no idea, right?

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That's kind of what happened.

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Okay.

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So I walk in there, I walk in

the Republican headquarters.

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They're like, who the hell is this guy?

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I was like, yeah, Kelly Roberts guys.

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You're gonna know who I am.

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And, they're kind of divided.

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Half of them love me.

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Half of them were like, we

don't really know this guy yet.

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And so they took a vote

and it went against me.

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But the people that voted against me have

since said, you know, I wish we would've

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known you this and that and the other.

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That's some really cool

Dane Sise, great guy.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, I, I think it's gonna work

in the future, but that's kind

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of how that played out, man.

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Yeah.

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Tyler: I think something that you said

too, that you kind of went over pretty

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quickly, but is I think it's important.

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You were an independent and you sat

down and you just kind of wrote out

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a pros and cons list on both sides.

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Yeah, and I think kind of

found out, I think the majority

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Kelly: of people do that you'll, you'll

find yourself locally to be a Republican.

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This has nothing to do with Trump or all

this stuff that you see in the media.

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Write down your values, what you

want outta your tax dollars locally.

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This is where people should vote, guys.

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This is where people should care more.

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And this is where people care

less and it blows me away.

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Chris: Mm-hmm.

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I think it's the, because you hear

the big cycle of that every four

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years you gotta go vote for president.

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Your brain just like, oh, well I

don't only have to think every four

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years, but in reality, like, like I

said, every two years we add somebody.

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Really?

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Every year if you're looking at it,

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Tyler: yeah's so true.

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Yeah.

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Your municipality ones are gonna

be on those off years where you

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Yeah, I'm like, really get screwed.

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I'm always something

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Chris: going up and, 'cause I noticed

this last year, I was like, oh wait,

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there's something else going on.

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Like, me and my wife showed up to vote

and she was like, have you looked at the

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list of, of people that we're voting for?

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And I'm like.

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Yeah, I'm a horrible, like

most people are, dude.

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I'm like, and that's the honest

truth, like we should all get

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better at knowing what the people.

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Like getting to know these people.

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Yeah.

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They spend months and months trying

to get our attention and we should at

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least give them more than like the four

seconds it takes to color in there.

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So just like

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Kelly: color in the name.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I know.

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I'm hoping I get a lot of female votes

who think they're voting for a girl.

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Right, Kelly?

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Tyler: Well, since we're on that.

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Trajectory anyway with what

makes the national news versus

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what's actually important here.

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What are people actually voting

for for City Council of Wilmington?

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So like we discussed before

the podcast, like you're not

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voting on tariffs, obviously.

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Yeah, yeah.

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On this.

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Like, what are you voting for?

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Kelly: Well, they, they can make

minor laws within the city limits,

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such as the camping ban that passed.

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We could do what I would propose

as some sort of, loitering

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clause, things like that.

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But the majority of what your city

council is gonna do is approve or

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deny a budget, and these are your tax

dollars that are going through, and they

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need to be spent on the proper things

that you would want them spent on.

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Mm-hmm.

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And in my mind, I guess the, the basic

services that you would expect is gonna

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be a police force, fire department.

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Teachers good schools.

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Right.

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Stuff that a 12-year-old could tell you.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Well, we've gotten away from those

core values and we're spinning

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out all kinds of other stuff.

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Man.

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So many.

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I mean, you could name something.

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I'm sure we have a spinning budget for it.

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Chris: I saw something as a

town North Oreo cookie fund.

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Ooh, no, we're not,

we're not putting that.

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Oh no.

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They, they were, they were voting on, they

had money set aside for a council retreat.

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And it was like a couple Oh, that's right.

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Like it was thousands of dollars to send

the city council to go to like get the

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councilmen to start liking one another.

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I was tens of thousands of dollars.

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Yeah.

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Like it was thousands of dollars to send.

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You send them to a retreat to

get to know each other better.

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Really?

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And I'm like.

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I thinking Outer banks could be used.

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Did

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Kelly: you guys hear?

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Well, I don't think you did.

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'cause we went over who I am

a little bit when I walked in.

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But I spoke at the Power Breakfast and

I was the first one to talk about this.

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I was the first one to talk about

the police pay and how low it is.

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Do you guys know anything about it?

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It's cool if you don't.

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Chris: I don't.

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Kelly: All right, man.

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So basically we pay the police force 10

to $12,000 less per year in Wilmington

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than they could make in Leland.

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Oh, wow.

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And a lot of the surrounding

counties are like that as well.

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We are.

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Really bad.

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Like we're We're under market value.

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Yeah.

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For North Carolina, they like to say

it's a bidding war, but it's simply not.

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We're just under market value.

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So that's one of the things we talk about.

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Your core values that you have.

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Yeah.

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That for the people that are

independents, I get it locally,

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it's okay to be Republican locally.

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'cause you need that police force.

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We're supposed to have 330 police

officers according to the standard

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we budgeted for 280, I think.

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We have 204.

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We can't even get people to work for us.

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We got the money to pay 'em.

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They're like, nah, I'm out.

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I'm going, I'm going to Leland.

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Because we're not paying enough.

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We're not paying enough.

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It's ridiculous.

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It's ridiculous.

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So that's why we have a

downtown police task force.

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Sounds really cool.

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Guess how many officers are on that?

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Tyler: 12.

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A few dozen.

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Kelly: Four.

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Oh,

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Chris: sheesh.

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You see where we're at, gentlemen?

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Yeah.

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See where we're at.

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And I feel like it's.

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Because you said you've moved

down about five years ago.

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Yeah.

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And you've seen kind of that transition.

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Even when I was a kid going to out

downtown, I could actively walk downtown

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and see police officers, like I could see

a present and I went down, like, I guess

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a couple nights ago, it was Friday night.

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I was expecting to at least see

like some lights or something.

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I walked like three blocks.

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Didn't see one cop.

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You didn't

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Kelly: see wrong cop, right?

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No.

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Yeah.

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So that's kinda what spurred

this whole thing for me as well.

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We don't, we don't have

enough police officers.

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When I'd spoken my WHQR radio interview,

I said specifically, we're looking for

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crime prevention, not crime prosecution.

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Mm-hmm.

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And that's an important fact because

we're not looking to fill our jails up.

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We're looking to deter crime,

and we can deter crime with

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police presence, like you said.

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Isn't that the whole goal of

paying taxes in the first place?

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Yep.

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Chris: I think specifically,

like you said, adding a little

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bit more fun so these people can

make some money and not worry.

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'cause like if you're a police officer

and you're working 12 hour shifts and

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then you have to go get a second job

to help pay for everything, then you're

533

not gonna be focused and actually want

to be out there and make a presence.

534

I'd be sitting in my card.

535

If I'm not getting paid enough.

536

Kelly: Yeah, and so I was one of the

first ones to advocate for social

537

workers to go out and talk to what you

would consider, like, I don't know,

538

like a unhoused person or someone

that's kind of mentally unstable.

539

We have a lot of those downtown.

540

And I told you I was gonna tell you

a story that happened yesterday.

541

This ha, no, sorry I happened.

542

It's Saturday.

543

Okay.

544

We had one of our crazy people downtown

goes to a, do you know the, I believe

545

in Wilmington mural down there.

546

It's on Princess and Second Street.

547

Yeah.

548

Mm-hmm.

549

Well, a little girl survived cancer.

550

The whole community pitched

in for her medical bills and.

551

They made a mural over her.

552

'cause she survived.

553

Yeah.

554

And there's like giraffes and

teddy bears and stuff like that.

555

This psychopath walks by and just

rips the teddy bear off the ground

556

for no reason and then leaves.

557

Well because I talked to one of

my friends into having cameras on

558

their outside bars and restaurants.

559

Mm-hmm.

560

We have clear pictures of the guys.

561

So I have, I'm talking 4K.

562

I know what this dude looks like.

563

I know, I know him.

564

I feel like I should know his name.

565

Yeah.

566

And so I filed a police report, uploaded

the pictures to the police report.

567

Do you think I've gotten a call back yet?

568

Tyler: No, probably not

569

Kelly: at all.

570

I have not.

571

These police officers are busy.

572

They have stuff to do.

573

They have, you know, assault cases,

things that are just kind of.

574

Taking over their, their time, a 12

hour shift, they get 20 calls a day.

575

Mm-hmm.

576

Because we're understaffed.

577

Yep.

578

And so the ball starts rolling,

it becomes a snowball, and it just

579

gets worse and worse and worse.

580

We had a guy walking down the

street with a machete one day.

581

Oh wow.

582

Big ass machete.

583

Chris: Just 'cause

584

Kelly: But it's not illegal, is it?

585

But it's like somebody could

talk to the dude at least, right?

586

Like, sir, what's cut, sir?

587

Something.

588

So, so we've got a lot of, it's not bad

until it gets bad and I, I see a, it's

589

just pattern recognition, gentlemen.

590

I see things getting worse.

591

I see less police force, less

police presence, and that's why

592

I'm running for city council.

593

Ultimately didn't get the Republican

endorsement 'cause they had no

594

idea who I was when I walked in.

595

Yeah.

596

Understand.

597

And that's kind of how that went down.

598

Yeah.

599

Yeah.

600

Tyler: So just to kind of recap,

even running as a Republican,

601

you still want, so social workers

being the first people of contact.

602

Kelly: Yeah,

603

Tyler: yeah.

604

You still want to pay police better.

605

You still want to pay our

government employees better.

606

So we bring the best people in.

607

Basically.

608

When people think Republicans,

conservatives, they think.

609

We're not paying taxes for anything.

610

Police brutality up and down the streets.

611

So, but you're telling me

it's, it's different than that.

612

Kelly: Yeah, it is different than that.

613

And I think of most people,

like I said, right, your value's

614

down on paper what you want.

615

I think a lot of people will be

Republicans without even knowing it.

616

And even if you're a Democrat, even if

you're you know, undecided, it's okay to

617

vote Republican in your local elections.

618

'cause these are things

that matter to you.

619

These are the ideas that people

should study more and more, and

620

they simply don't, unfortunately.

621

Yeah,

622

Chris: it's like you said, it's

unfortunate because there's so many

623

things locally that actually affect

us, like versus all the big stuff.

624

'cause like we see the news, we know who's

running for like these big elections,

625

but we don't know who's running locally.

626

Right?

627

You should know who's running

for your city council.

628

You should know who's

running for your like.

629

Any of your state, like your Senate and

whatnot, and it's just things we, we miss.

630

Kelly: Yeah.

631

Yeah.

632

I completely agree.

633

There's not enough media focus on it.

634

Now, I'm not saying I wanna

do any more public speaking.

635

Dude, I'm worn out man.

636

My, my first time public speaking ever

in my life was in front of 600 people

637

at this thing called a power breakfast.

638

Oh yeah.

639

I was so nervous, man.

640

Now I'm good.

641

It's been like six weeks of public

speaking twice a week, so I'm good now.

642

I smooth this butter, but I was

nervous for a while tonight.

643

Throw into the fire.

644

Yeah, throw it right into the fire, man.

645

Yeah.

646

Chris: So when's the, when our elections

for those people who are, I think it's a

647

Kelly: great question.

648

You can go right now to

the library in Mayfair.

649

Okay.

650

And you can do that up until November 4th.

651

Okay.

652

Yep.

653

November 4th.

654

There's 22 election sites in the city.

655

But there's no reason to wait.

656

I mean, do it within your own free time.

657

The problem is it's, it's nine to five.

658

Any listen, call me if your

boss doesn't let you off work.

659

I'll talk to him.

660

You, you, you should

get an hour to go vote.

661

Yeah, absolutely.

662

Tyler: A hundred percent.

663

Yeah, that's always been wild to me.

664

Like, oh, you gotta, you gotta work.

665

You can't go, can't go

vote, can't go vote.

666

Yeah.

667

You gotta take your day off to go,

668

Chris: go get your vote in.

669

And I'm like,

670

Tyler: Shouldn't working.

671

I'm still a big believer that it should

be a national holiday for every election.

672

Well, I kind of think

673

Kelly: that they should have

voting on the weekends, like, well,

674

Tyler: yeah, definitely.

675

That's, what are we

676

Kelly: doing, man?

677

Like makes it more difficult to vote.

678

Yeah.

679

Right.

680

I get it's the library, but yes.

681

Fundamentally speaking, are we

trying to get more people to vote?

682

Correct.

683

Right.

684

I think

685

Chris: it, it could also

be volunteers or also it's

686

Kelly: the library at Mayfair.

687

Chris: Yeah.

688

So like, I think they're

also trying to prevent it's

689

traffic jam waiting to happen.

690

It's a traffic jam.

691

I almost got ran over

692

Kelly: there on a Thursday at

like 2:00 PM There's, I believe

693

it, there's people everywhere.

694

Chris: That's another spot like there.

695

Consistently changing the

traffic and like they're finally

696

building that pass through.

697

I'm like, hopefully this will help.

698

Yeah, a little bit.

699

Kelly: Well, it'll help a little bit.

700

That's an area that definitely needs

some adaptive traffic systems and

701

just traffic systems in general.

702

There's a lot of places

that don't have any lights.

703

It should roundabouts are huge.

704

Roundabouts saves so much time.

705

So there's a lot of things from

a civil engineering perspective

706

that we could do, but I think.

707

My technical knowledge of these

adaptive traffic systems would be the

708

number one thing that would help us

immediately without having to do more

709

construction on the roads, which we all

know makes you sit in traffic longer.

710

Yes.

711

I mean, we've got an influx of

people without the proper foundation.

712

Right?

713

So if you don't build a proper foundation,

you keep adding apartments on apartments.

714

I'm not anti-development.

715

I'm just saying we need

to develop outwardly.

716

We don't have room for any

more density at the moment.

717

Yeah, that's what I think.

718

Tyler: Another topic that's been

pretty big in the media lately

719

is the social district, and we've

interviewed a lot of people that are

720

in that area of the social district

and as a drinking podcast ourselves.

721

What are, what are your thoughts on that?

722

Have you been involved in that at all?

723

Kelly: Yeah, so I got invited

to the meetings for those.

724

I've been to every

social district meeting.

725

I've heard from the citizens and

I've heard from the business owners.

726

Group: Mm-hmm.

727

Kelly: And what my, my conclusions

is I'm pro social district.

728

It's very low crime.

729

You have people with baby strollers

that go out and have a couple IPAs

730

with their kids, and it's over at

five, so you don't have a lot of

731

problems between 12 and 5:00 PM it

brings hundreds and hundreds of people.

732

The biggest concern that I heard

from the citizens is the parking.

733

Group: Mm.

734

Kelly: They, they can't park

in front of their own home.

735

Because hundreds of people

have taken up the streets.

736

Ah, yeah, I can see that.

737

And so that was, that was the main

re, I mean, I'm talking up and down.

738

Parking was the main thing I heard of.

739

No one ever talked about crime.

740

No one ever talked about noise complaints.

741

That was the number one thing

that I heard from the citizens.

742

Tyler: Yeah.

743

Kelly: So is there a solution for that?

744

They come up with several solutions.

745

They were talking about busting

people in from the parking garage.

746

Oh,

747

Tyler: okay.

748

Kelly: Yeah.

749

So they're, they're working on it.

750

Awesome.

751

But they're, something has to be done.

752

You've been to that area, you

already, you're parking in front

753

of someone's house, like Right.

754

There's not a lot of parking there.

755

And that

756

Tyler: was before the social district?

757

Yeah, that's before.

758

Kelly: But even places

that don't sell alcohol.

759

Are, are really benefiting from this.

760

You got an ice cream, I think

it's kill one's ice cream over

761

there also, or no, no, no.

762

It's or tis, it's bo

tis bo tis over there.

763

You've got the pizza shop.

764

They don't sell alcohol.

765

You've got teenage kids.

766

And if you follow my campaign

at all, I want teenage kids.

767

I have a 20-year-old daughter.

768

She's gonna be 21 pretty soon.

769

So I want her to be, be

able to drink safely.

770

Right.

771

I want her kids to be able

to have, have fun downtown.

772

Yeah.

773

And that offers a great spot

for them during the day.

774

It's fun.

775

The pe everybody's making more money.

776

It's a all around, thumbs up for me.

777

Chris: I like it.

778

I think, I mean, my thought on parking

and I'm not running for anything is

779

if it wasn't specifically to just two

weekends or like one weekend, it would

780

spread it out and people would show

up and be a little bit more balanced.

781

Kelly: Man, I thought about that too.

782

I thought about that because

like every time there wasn't

783

such a concert type of event.

784

Mm-hmm.

785

Yeah.

786

Chris: Yeah.

787

Because you do, anytime

there's a festival downtown.

788

Or like, 'cause it's usually like

the first weekend or last weekend.

789

Traffic is horrible.

790

Right.

791

Parking is horrible.

792

Kelly: Even the concerts at Live Oak

793

Chris: got Yes.

794

So like if you spread it out and

you give them a consistent option,

795

then they're gonna be like, oh, well

I don't have to go on the first.

796

Yeah.

797

It doesn't feel like a novelty.

798

Second and third.

799

Like, I can show up.

800

Kelly: Yeah, I think they are,

they're asking for more Saturdays.

801

I would, they, I think it starts

in February, if I'm not mistaken.

802

Oh, cool.

803

Cool.

804

Cool.

805

Chris: See Yeah.

806

But Prosocial District, thank you.

807

Love to hear that.

808

Kelly: I'm pro this whiskey.

809

That's great.

810

Yeah.

811

You do a good job.

812

Thanks Chris.

813

Chris: You know one of the first

times I had this one was at Rebellion.

814

Oh yeah.

815

Yeah.

816

Have you been there yet?

817

Kelly: Man, my sign's all over that place.

818

Rebellion.

819

Rebellion was one of the first people

that that really got behind me and

820

made me feel like I could do this.

821

They put my name in the window.

822

The owners are ex-Navy,

they're very supportive.

823

They understand that we have

minor crime problems in downtown.

824

We understand that businesses are

down 30% in downtown and oh, wow, 30%.

825

Tyler: I didn't realize that they're

826

Kelly: doing numbers that they

should be doing in February.

827

In the summertime.

828

That's wild.

829

Yeah.

830

It's outta control.

831

You guys, after this

podcast, go down there.

832

Yeah, go to rebellion.

833

Ask him.

834

Ask him about me.

835

Chris: See, I always, I go to

rebellion every now and then.

836

'cause.

837

I hate trying to park anywhere.

838

I'm one of those people, if I

do two laps and there's not a

839

parking space, I'm going home.

840

Kelly: Hit the gas real hard.

841

Chris: Yeah.

842

I'm like, we're, we're gone.

843

But so we go to the Commodore

all the time 'cause it's a

844

little bit closer to the house.

845

Mm-hmm.

846

Love Commodore.

847

Shout out.

848

All of them have, if you don't

know Commodore rebellion,

849

foxes Hole in the wall.

850

All same owner, different menus.

851

Kelly: It's wonderful.

852

What's your favorite dish at Commodore?

853

Because mine's a meatballs.

854

Chris: See, I had the meatball.

855

I'm a person, like if I'm getting

a meatball, like I expect, my

856

brain says there should be like

noodles or something with it.

857

Ah, yeah.

858

I got, it's hard for me

to just eat meatballs.

859

But they're, they're midras.

860

Yep.

861

Like just a tray of fries with just.

862

Sauce and lettuce.

863

So good.

864

And some That sound good?

865

Oh, it's super.

866

Did you ever eat

867

Kelly: mid rats when

you're in the military?

868

No.

869

So that's a, that's a thing in the Navy

we would have, we'd be on watch overnight.

870

Mm-hmm.

871

Not everybody but the people that are in

Combat Central always had a 24 hour watch.

872

So I was in Combat Central and if you

have the 2:00 AM to 5:00 AM watch, they

873

give you a food called Mid rations.

874

It's a middle of the night.

875

And that's called Mid Rats.

876

That's where that's from.

877

Chris: That's what I

assume the name came from.

878

I don't think they were as good as

what they have in Commodore, though.

879

Commodore's

880

Kelly: better than the Navy.

881

I assure you.

882

I assure you.

883

Chris: So we've talked about a few points.

884

Is there any other, like main talking

points that you're like, I know

885

you're newer here, so you've seen

a lot of the growth that we've had.

886

Mm-hmm.

887

And is there anything that you, you

think that you'd have a good point

888

on being in the city council and

something that you could help with?

889

Kelly: Yeah, I think, well, just the

traffic, paying our police force, the

890

I, how it's gotten here is perplexing.

891

It's absolutely perplexing

that we've gotten to this point

892

with our police pay, right?

893

Our first responders need to

get paid a little bit more.

894

We need to make sure we're taking care.

895

Here's something we haven't talked about

our, our veterans in the mental health

896

capacity, we have 27 social programs that

brings people from different counties

897

all the way down to Myrtle Beach.

898

Mm-hmm.

899

We are kind of a hub for

mental health, substance abuse.

900

You guys had a big problem

with the opioid crisis.

901

About 10 years ago.

902

That's kind of what spurred this.

903

And so now we are a wonderful city

for people to, to help themselves.

904

What we need to do is make sure that

we're prioritizing locals, make sure

905

we're prioritizing veterans with PTSD.

906

I see a lot of people that live

underneath my building that just,

907

they're not gonna get it together, bro.

908

It doesn't matter what happens, doesn't

matter what goes on in their life.

909

They are smoked, so

they're gonna need help.

910

They need mental help.

911

They're not causing problems.

912

They're not causing crime crime.

913

There's something wrong with these people.

914

And I don't know how this one

individual has been at the bottom of

915

my building for three or four months,

so no one's reached out to help 'em.

916

And if they do, he always, here's

something that people don't realize.

917

They always have the point

to, to refuse service.

918

This is.

919

These are all volunteer programs.

920

So these guys could go into these rehab

centers or they could go into mental

921

health for eight weeks and then leave.

922

So I don't know exactly that

we should make them stay there.

923

I'm not saying that, but I think

that we need to prioritize.

924

Our local people, and I do wanna

see veterans being prior, I don't

925

wanna see any, any homeless veterans.

926

I don't.

927

Right.

928

Yeah, something very, I've always

929

Tyler: wondered about that too,

because Wilmington, you're right,

930

does have a lot of really good

programs that are out there.

931

It like, is it the city that's

not kind of connecting these

932

dots to help people get it?

933

Or is it primarily what kind of what

you were saying there too, people

934

just refusing, refusing the care.

935

Kelly: Yeah.

936

Well I think it's a little bit of both.

937

I think it's a little bit of some

people staying there for years and

938

years and years, and some people

stand there for two weeks and we don't

939

have someone putting that together.

940

This is funded from a state level.

941

It's funded from a city level, and then

it's also funded from a private level.

942

Okay.

943

So we don't have someone kind

of looking over that umbrella.

944

The only agency in the federal government

that doesn't have to tell you what they're

945

doing with their budget is the CIA.

946

Mm-hmm.

947

We're treating these guys like the

CIA, like they're getting their

948

money and we're just like, all right.

949

Like, we don't know.

950

So we need someone overseeing

the funding for these programs.

951

I don't think that should

be a city official.

952

I think that should be someone

probably in the private sector who

953

knows what's going on with this.

954

But we need someone overseeing the

entire budget and looking at the

955

return on investment and, and making

sure we're helping people, guys.

956

Like we're not, we care about people.

957

Right?

958

That's what we're here to do.

959

And I just.

960

Either we have too many people

or we're, our programs need

961

more funding or something.

962

I don't know.

963

But we are overloaded.

964

We've got between 800 and a thousand

homeless people in this city.

965

Oh, wow.

966

So

967

Chris: that would be a surprise

if it was more than that.

968

Kelly: Yeah.

969

And, and, and these

programs do a wonderful job.

970

These programs do all they can

the day shelter's let out, and

971

they come out at nighttime.

972

So nighttime, downtown.

973

It's different than daytime downtown.

974

So all my people watching the

podcast, if you work downtown,

975

you don't know downtown.

976

You don't know downtown until

the, until the sun goes down.

977

So yeah.

978

Tyler: I know you've lived in

quite a few big cities as well too.

979

Anything that you can take away from those

larger cities to implement down here?

980

Kelly: Yeah, so, we don't wanna

turn into the Charlotte epicenter.

981

I dunno if you guys saw that.

982

Yes.

983

They lost $44 million that was

supposed to be the new hotness, right?

984

Right.

985

That's supposed to be it.

986

And that's kind of what's happening

downtown, is we're losing our way.

987

I've seen Austin, Texas lose their way.

988

I've seen DC lose their way.

989

And I don't wanna wait

until it's too late.

990

So we need to get our

social programs in order.

991

We need to make sure that we're

taking care of people the way

992

they need, be taken care of.

993

We need a lording clause.

994

Again, we're not trying to throw

people in jail, but you shouldn't

995

take your family to a restaurant,

spend $200 and they get harassed.

996

Mm-hmm.

997

Our kids shouldn't have to walk around.

998

Our kids should be safe on the boardwalk.

999

There should be police presence.

00:32:38,505 --> 00:32:41,955

And just having a presence, like

a police car or a police officer.

00:32:42,825 --> 00:32:44,145

You know we have the horses, right?

00:32:44,235 --> 00:32:44,325

Yep.

00:32:44,445 --> 00:32:46,455

I haven't seen a horse

out past noon in forever.

00:32:46,515 --> 00:32:46,965

I was thinking

00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:47,985

Tyler: about that for a while too.

00:32:47,985 --> 00:32:48,255

Yeah.

00:32:48,255 --> 00:32:48,345

Like

00:32:48,345 --> 00:32:49,905

Kelly: we need, we need the presence guys.

00:32:49,905 --> 00:32:54,270

Like we need the presence to just deter

someone who might be having a bad day.

00:32:55,065 --> 00:32:56,295

You know, that's what I think.

00:32:56,325 --> 00:32:56,505

Yeah,

00:32:56,685 --> 00:33:02,055

Chris: I know presence works because when

I went to, when I was at ECU, there was

00:33:02,055 --> 00:33:06,075

always a cop car that was just parked

around a corner at a gas station and

00:33:06,075 --> 00:33:10,155

everyone would slow down because they were

like, I don't know if he's actually there.

00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:11,985

You Murphy's he might be if he's not.

00:33:12,045 --> 00:33:12,345

Yeah.

00:33:12,405 --> 00:33:13,665

So I'm like, it, it's true.

00:33:13,695 --> 00:33:17,745

Just having that presence, like to

deter the front end and not actually

00:33:17,745 --> 00:33:20,655

just show up afterwards is really like.

00:33:21,525 --> 00:33:22,005

The goal.

00:33:22,035 --> 00:33:24,255

Kelly: Yeah, that's, that comes

back to my military training.

00:33:24,285 --> 00:33:26,865

Like you've gotta understand

how to prevent riots from

00:33:26,865 --> 00:33:28,155

happening, crowd control.

00:33:28,455 --> 00:33:30,615

And that's all about just, you

nailed, you nailed it, man.

00:33:30,615 --> 00:33:31,665

I mean, you gotta have some presence so.

00:33:32,610 --> 00:33:33,450

That's what I'd like to see.

00:33:33,870 --> 00:33:36,360

Tyler: Where I grew up in

Pennsylvania, it was Amish country.

00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,110

Amish.

00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:37,560

Yeah.

00:33:37,620 --> 00:33:39,990

There was a police car out there.

00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:43,080

If you looked really closely,

one of the tires was flat and

00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,250

there was just a dummy in there.

00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:48,180

Slow your horse down, sir.

00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:48,810

Right?

00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:49,470

Slow it down.

00:33:49,535 --> 00:33:49,865

Just

00:33:49,865 --> 00:33:50,435

Kelly: a little bit.

00:33:50,465 --> 00:33:51,575

I have a funny story about that.

00:33:51,575 --> 00:33:53,375

My mom loves Amish furniture, okay?

00:33:53,375 --> 00:33:53,465

Mm-hmm.

00:33:53,765 --> 00:33:56,345

She will pay thousands.

00:33:56,405 --> 00:33:59,165

If anybody's listening to this, do not

hit my mom up with Amish furniture.

00:33:59,495 --> 00:34:01,535

Everything in her house

is Amish built by hand.

00:34:01,535 --> 00:34:04,695

She's very proud of this, and

she will tell any guest about it.

00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:05,870

That's amazing.

00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:07,190

And it weighs like a thousand pounds.

00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:10,400

Oh, it's the heaviest like, like

what are they doing over there?

00:34:10,670 --> 00:34:11,750

I know who built the pyramids?

00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:12,889

The Amish, right.

00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:14,690

That's why they're still there.

00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:14,929

Yeah.

00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:18,440

Tyler: And all that furniture in there

will be around for generations forever.

00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:20,820

It'll never go away forever.

00:34:21,855 --> 00:34:24,344

In a few thousand years when they

were still looking at the pyramid.

00:34:24,344 --> 00:34:26,324

So your mom's still gonna

have furniture somewhere?

00:34:26,324 --> 00:34:26,594

That's right.

00:34:26,594 --> 00:34:27,074

She'll be there.

00:34:28,784 --> 00:34:32,145

Chris: So I just wanna say

thank you for showing up.

00:34:32,415 --> 00:34:32,685

Kelly: Yes, sir.

00:34:32,685 --> 00:34:33,284

Thank you for having me.

00:34:33,335 --> 00:34:35,705

Chris: And like it's just

great to talk to somebody.

00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,360

And like Tyler said, it's

people over politics.

00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,760

We want to get to know you

and like what your goal is.

00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:45,989

Because sometimes you just see a color,

you're like red, blue, and you're like,

00:34:46,020 --> 00:34:47,340

oh, I don't want to talk to that guy.

00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,199

But in reality, we're all real people.

00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:53,550

We have something we want to, for

the most part, want the same thing.

00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:54,060

Right.

00:34:54,060 --> 00:34:54,090

I

00:34:54,810 --> 00:34:55,739

Kelly: think that's what you'll find.

00:34:55,739 --> 00:34:56,699

We all want the same thing.

00:34:56,969 --> 00:34:57,510

Exactly.

00:34:57,570 --> 00:34:57,930

Tyler: Yeah.

00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,240

There was a podcast I was

watching a couple days ago.

00:35:00,990 --> 00:35:02,490

Said exactly the same thing.

00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:05,820

We all essentially want

very similar outcomes.

00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:07,590

We just have different

means to getting there.

00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:10,740

So if you're just willing to break

down that wall a little bit and be

00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:14,490

willing to meet the other person on

the other side, we've had everyone on

00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:17,010

every walk of life onto this podcast.

00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:21,150

Every time I go to vote, it's the

most colorful ballot out there.

00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:23,160

It has everyone from every persuasion,

00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:24,270

Kelly: especially in this city.

00:35:24,270 --> 00:35:25,110

I mean, the funding.

00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:27,660

The same people will fund

Democrats and Republicans.

00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:27,750

Right.

00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:31,890

It's not, this is, I don't know if it's

a small city or it's just all going one

00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:36,750

direction towards, you know, development,

but it's, there's, there's a thin line

00:35:36,750 --> 00:35:40,710

between Republican and Democrat as

far as who's getting their funding.

00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:41,400

Mm-hmm.

00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:44,280

But I see we, we all want

the same things, right?

00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:44,640

So.

00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:45,690

I agree with you.

00:35:45,955 --> 00:35:46,425

Thank you.

00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:47,730

Thanks for having me, guys.

00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:48,225

I really appreciate it.

00:35:48,255 --> 00:35:48,545

Yeah,

00:35:48,545 --> 00:35:48,665

Chris: yeah.

00:35:48,665 --> 00:35:48,685

Appreciate it.

00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,130

Where can people like, look at your

notes and kind of keep up with you and

00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:54,720

just read a little bit more about you?

00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,910

Kelly: Yeah so I do have Facebook.

00:35:56,910 --> 00:35:56,940

Okay.

00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:58,540

So go to Councilman Kelly J.

00:35:58,540 --> 00:35:59,070

Roberts, Jr.

00:35:59,070 --> 00:36:01,890

On my Facebook, it's got a lot

of the candidate forms that

00:36:01,890 --> 00:36:03,000

have been filmed on there.

00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:05,160

It's got the WHQR news interview.

00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,810

It's four minutes long, but

it's an exciting four minutes,

00:36:07,810 --> 00:36:08,650

so you gotta get on there.

00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:09,850

So it was very informative.

00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,480

It was, yeah.

00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,740

So I get on there, listen to that.

00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:13,390

It'll give you a little

bit of my policies.

00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:17,140

I try not to post too much on Facebook

because I'm getting a lot of hate.

00:36:17,410 --> 00:36:18,070

I feel like.

00:36:18,730 --> 00:36:21,940

Will you say that you're a

Democrat or Republican without

00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:23,170

people knowing you at all?

00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:25,360

I mean, they're out to get me, bro.

00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,470

Like for no reason.

00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:27,730

Just like trolls.

00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:28,090

Mm-hmm.

00:36:28,090 --> 00:36:29,680

But I do have some pictures on there of.

00:36:30,070 --> 00:36:32,710

The unhoused sleeping

in the daytime downtown.

00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,400

I've got pictures of like, where I live,

kind of the reason this whole happened.

00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,750

I've got a backstory of video of

me saving a kid's life of, of why

00:36:40,750 --> 00:36:42,010

I started running for city council.

00:36:42,010 --> 00:36:45,400

So I would encourage people to

look on there and and vote for me.

00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,140

You've got three city council votes.

00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:47,890

I just need one of 'em.

00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,090

Tyler: Thanks.

00:36:49,090 --> 00:36:49,390

Awesome.

00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:50,110

Appreciate it.

00:36:50,110 --> 00:36:50,260

Thanks.

00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:51,280

Thank you so much for coming on.

00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:51,730

Yes, sir.

00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:52,540

All your time.

00:36:52,570 --> 00:36:54,790

And make sure, do your research.

00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:55,540

Go out there and vote.

00:36:55,870 --> 00:36:55,960

Yeah.

00:36:56,740 --> 00:36:57,550

Chris: Catch you the next one.

00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:58,810

Thank you.

00:36:58,810 --> 00:36:58,820

Cheers.

00:36:58,925 --> 00:36:59,345

Cheers.