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From childhood songs that soothed her sensitive nervous system to a career devoted to helping others heal, Colleen Klym’s journey is a powerful testament to the connection between creativity and well-being.
A licensed marriage and family therapist based in South Lake Tahoe, Colleen first discovered the healing power of music as a young girl struggling with asthma. Singing gave her breath, resonance, and a sense of connection that not only calmed her body but also touched the hearts of those around her. That early realization—that sharing her voice could bring joy and comfort—became the foundation for her lifelong path.
With a degree in music therapy, years of experience running her own practice, and a deep passion for expressive arts, Colleen eventually expanded her work to integrate brainspotting. This therapeutic modality became personally transformative and professionally groundbreaking for her, opening new ways to help clients explore their inner worlds. Whether through a child’s sand tray, a teenager’s song, or creative expression across ages, she has found innovative ways to combine brainspotting with the arts to unlock healing.
In this episode, Colleen shares:
- How singing supported her nervous system as a child and shaped her healing journey.
- The pivotal role of music therapy in her education and career.
- Why brainspotting became a powerful tool in her personal and professional life.
- How integrating expressive arts opens new doors for transformation.
Tune in to discover how creativity, presence, and the power of the arts can help us access deeper healing and resilience.
Colleen Klym is a singer, songwriter, Brainspotting Specialty workshop provider, Brainspotting consultant, and specialty kids consultant, licensed marriage and family therapist with a Bachelor’s degree in music therapy, living in South Lake Tahoe. She has been practicing as a therapist with kids, teens, and adults for about 25 years. She works with a wide range of populations, including babies and postpartum moms, children, teens, adults, and geriatrics with and without forms of dementia. She provides trauma care using expressive arts, including music, sand tray, play, and art, with Brainspotting through an attachment lens.
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Narrator
Hello and welcome to Cherie Lindberg's Elevated Life Academy. Stories of hope and healing. Through raw and heartfelt conversations, we uncover the powerful tools and strategies these individuals use to not only heal themselves, but also inspired those around them. Join us on this incredible journey as we discover the human spirit's remarkable capacity to heal, find hope in the darkest of moments, and ultimately live an elevated life.
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Cherie Lindberg
Hi everyone! Welcome to another episode of Elevated Life Academy, and I am your host, Cherie Lindberg, and we have a very interesting guest here today, Colleen Kylm. And we are going to talk about brain spotting and expressive arts. So I'm going to let Colleen introduce herself. And then we're just going to find art. Find out all about Colleen, what drew her to this area, how what was her journey.
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Cherie Lindberg
And we'll see what other questions and curiosities come up. So welcome Colleen.
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Colleen Kylum
Thank you. Sherri. My name is Colleen Kylm, and I am a licensed marriage and family therapist in South Lake Tahoe. I have a degree in music therapy as well, and I'm very passionate about integrating brain spotting with expressive arts.
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Cherie Lindberg
Wonderful. So how did this all come to be like how did you I mean was that your interest right away coming into the field or did did it evolve over time.
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Colleen Kylum
You know I think about it all the time to be honest. And I think as a kid I had some problems with asthma and kind of a sensitive nervous system, and I was drawn to singing right away. And I think about it all the time because I and I'm putting connections together all the time. And recently, as I've learned more about the nervous system in the past, however many years, I realized you know, singing is breathing.
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Colleen Kylum
So singing allowed me to breathe and really feel that vibration internally, which I think was really soothing to my system, which might have felt sort of overreactive at times or overactive. And I still remember, like I can still remember as a kid, we would go to nursing homes and sing sometimes for the people, and I can still remember the moment I like, looked around and I was like, this is really making these people really happy.
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Colleen Kylum
I can do this by being here and kind of sharing my voice and light. I can have an impact on people, and that was really important to me. And then it turned out I was I had a talent for it. I was pretty good at it and it created opportunities for me, educational opportunities that I wouldn't have had otherwise.
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Colleen Kylum
That led me to college and other things. And, well, I ended up getting a scholarship to a pretty fancy high school that I wouldn't have gone to. And my parents were from Ireland, so they didn't really believe in college. But this high school, everyone went to college. So then I kind of fell into that, and then I ended up going to college.
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Colleen Kylum
And when I and I found out about music therapy and I thought, that's perfect. And so then I graduated with that and then hit some kind of glass ceilings in terms of it seems like license therapists have more opportunity in terms of working with mental health. So I didn't music therapy for quite a long time. I ran a business in South Lake Tahoe and then got my master's degree, then naturally started integrating music therapy with mental health.
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Cherie Lindberg
Beautiful. So how long ago was that?
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Colleen Kylum
's degree in music therapy in:00;03;59;09 - 00;04;00;05
Cherie Lindberg
Okay.
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Colleen Kylum
Yeah, but it took me a really long time to get licensed because I moved and I had three kids, and then I found brain spotting, which was incredibly healing for me. My phase one, I did it with Lisa. I was one of her demos and it was a really moving experience, but it took some time. I was doing brain spotting for a while before I realized the kids would come in and show me.
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Cherie Lindberg
Oh.
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Colleen Kylum
We can use what they're expressing as an opportunity for framing. And that seemed to work differently and lands differently then to saying like, where do you feel that? Or what is the feeling? But to use like a tray they created or what they were playing with or for a teenager, a song, and I became more and more curious about it and kind of opened my eyes to more opportunities.
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Colleen Kylum
And then the clients just keep bringing in new ways of use, of working with expressive arts and brain spotting together.
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Cherie Lindberg
Yeah, yeah. So you and Nuala both are doing the brain spotting and expressive arts, and I find it absolutely fascinating, especially because the way we don't have to have words to express. Right. And I love how that can combine with parts work to go into these places of where there's no words. But yeah, we can get it out of our body through the expressive arts.
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Cherie Lindberg
Yeah.
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Colleen Kylum
And also credible isn't she?
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Cherie Lindberg
Oh, I mean, I've loved her, her webinars. And I was thrilled to have you come on here too and learn more from what you're doing, too. I mean, have the two of you met?
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Colleen Kylum
I reached out to her and we did have a brief meeting, but I am really hopeful and looking forward to collaborating with her. More on the future.
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Cherie Lindberg
I think you'd be a powerhouse, the two of you.
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Colleen Kylum
I'm looking forward to it. It's hard because we live in different countries, but I.
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Cherie Lindberg
Know, I know it is, but that's what's the wonderful about zoom that we can read Cloud and Connect even though we are from, you know, get even. Yeah, I am a little bit more about it sounds like let me correct me if I'm wrong. It sounds like, okay, so you had a history of asthma. You started to realize your voice helped you have a vibration or self-soothing for your own central nervous system.
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Colleen Kylum
I mean, I don't think I realized that until maybe six months ago. Oh, I guess okay. I just knew I loved as a kid, I knew I loved seeing. I got me some positive feedback, which, you know, kids need that pass. So I think I was looking for something and singing felt good. So I just kept doing it.
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Colleen Kylum
But it's really recently that I've reflected on what drew me to that. What can I quit?
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Cherie Lindberg
Yeah.
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Colleen Kylum
I'm a lot of hard work a time, right?
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Cherie Lindberg
For sure. Tell me one of your your favorite things about maybe a session with a client or a surprise that happened that, you know, still sticks with you today?
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Colleen Kylum
Sure. I have so many, but one that happened just last week that really it just felt it made me feel so tender. And, you know, as David Grann says, like the brain spotting can be intrinsic or extrinsic. We don't.
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Cherie Lindberg
If.
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Colleen Kylum
If we're attuned and we're noticing where a client's neurobiology is leading them after we've relationally attuned, then we're having some effect on their system. And so I was recently asked to do some music therapy at our juvenile treatment center before that to the juvenile hall. And I went in and I've only gone a couple times, but I went in last week.
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Colleen Kylum
And, you know, these kids, it's it's really heartbreaking. You the, the staff is like letting them out of their locked doors and they kind of got their hands behind their back. And so they were letting them out of their rooms and bringing them down to kind of the, the main room. And they're all sitting like really spread out from each other and sort of like postured like sort of tough, you know, but they're young.
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Colleen Kylum
They're just teenagers. Yeah. And you know, I, I just said, hi, I'm back. It was only my third time and they're so they're still getting used to sort of our routine. And I said, you know, we're going to do what we've done before and what are some of the group agreements, etc., and so what happens is that each kid will pick a song and we just listen with respect to each other song and maybe talk a little bit about why they picked it.
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Colleen Kylum
I started to teach them a little bit about poly vagal theory through the songs or choosing, which has been fun, and I only have my phone with me and they said, one of them said, like, miss, can you put the phone in the middle? Because we can't all hear it? And I was like, oh, that's a great idea.
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Colleen Kylum
I said, in fact, I'll just come the middle left circle up. And you saw these kids with. That was the only instructions I gave them who were spread out all over this facility. Really tough. They landed in this beautiful, tight knit circle with me as a part of it, and we just sat there for an hour and they and, you know, I was there and I was attuning and I was noticing like where their gay spots were going.
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Colleen Kylum
And I was attuning, attuning and just that connection that was established. And this group of kids that wouldn't normally experience that connection and the respect they gave each other, I don't think that would have happened without some sort of expressive arts veil.
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Cherie Lindberg
And yeah.
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Colleen Kylum
And that was I left there feeling like that was so precious, you know, these kids to have that moment. And one of them, I led them through a little breathing exercise. And one of them, at one point they said, you know, like that felt really good. And they they gave me a fist bump and I had to not get too excited.
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Cherie Lindberg
Right, right, right. Yeah. You know.
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Colleen Kylum
That was really special. Mean there's just been other, you know, times where people have used a song or a piece of art or a sandwich to try to process something really challenging or difficult, and they might not even know, especially teenagers. They might not even realize they're processing about themselves because they're talking about the composer of the song or the singer and what the singer's been through.
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Colleen Kylum
And we'll talk about that, and they'll have this depth of emotions and new cognitive connections. And at the end, maybe I'll say, like, you know, is there any part of that that related to you and say, oh, yeah, you know, that's the way it is with my mom right now. We're just not as close as we used to be.
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Colleen Kylum
That's happened a number of times, too, and I think it helps people who maybe want to protect themselves a little bit more.
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Cherie Lindberg
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Colleen Kylum
Be able to have a window in to find these opportunities for brain spots, for them to process things that they wouldn't necessarily process otherwise.
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Cherie Lindberg
Yeah. Yeah. Well just listening to what you're saying and how you're describing it, it makes sense. It creates a little bit more distance because it's outside of themselves. And they're looking at, you know, their product or whatever they're listening to or, you know, I mean, there's so many different ways, right?
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Colleen Kylum
They get to stay. They get to stay in metaphor.
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Cherie Lindberg
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We get.
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Colleen Kylum
To honor their protectors and invite them into the room and have them be.
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Cherie Lindberg
Welcome. Yes, yes. So talk to me about maybe some challenges that you've experienced in using this as a as a method for your clients.
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Colleen Kylum
Let me think about that for a moment. Because I'm sure there's been at the way my office is set up and I'm in my office right now, but I, I have so many options, you know, I have drums and then I have a sand tray with a lot of figures. I have a lot of play supplies and art supplies.
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Colleen Kylum
And so if one does it work, it's so easy to move to another one. And you also don't need some people to come in and they're like, I have this feeling I have this of that and they want to process it and they don't want to use the art. So I think as long as as long as we stay flexible and in the tail, the comment there doesn't need to be a challenge, because if they don't connect with something, then we don't have to use it, right?
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Colleen Kylum
Oh, you're not in you're not in the drum. No problem. You know what I do? The sand. Oh that's too that's too kid ish for you. We just go with what works for the client and then it doesn't have to feel challenging.
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Cherie Lindberg
Yeah. Interestingly, I remember, you know, doing an expressive art piece where, you know, we just scribbled. We just did a scribble and it was, you know, now let's color in some things. And I was very aware of these old messages about make sure you color in the lines and all, you know.
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Colleen Kylum
So that makes sense to me. Now I see what you're asking.
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Cherie Lindberg
Yeah. So and what you're sharing makes sense to me too. Is that if those things live inside of you and you're, you're coming into a place where you have so much freedom, how some people might be a little bit challenged to let themselves be that that free.
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Colleen Kylum
Yeah. And I think some people are and for some it takes eight months. You know, I saw a couple for maybe a year before I even offered this entry to them. It's it was so cute. It's funny to hear. You know what they say. They'll be like like I look like, say, oh, I'm glad my insurance is paying for this and not me.
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Cherie Lindberg
It's like.
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Colleen Kylum
It's so ridiculous, you know, to get into the sand or the art or the music. But then I think clients are really surprised by how deep it goes. Yeah, how it hits in a different way. And so for some, it will take a really long time to get into music or art or any kind of expressive arts or play, especially if they're an adult.
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Colleen Kylum
Kids just seem to do it. And I think we just respect their process. Right. And hey, that's okay.
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Cherie Lindberg
You don't need to do. Yeah, yeah. So what would be an important thing that you would want to share with our listeners to maybe expand on the definition of expressive arts, or really help them understand how this can help them in terms of not just, you know, processing their traumas, but even maybe helping them apply it to achieving their goals.
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Colleen Kylum
Yeah, I think it's just being so open to, you know, if we're doing it with our clients, however our clients show up. I'm going to get a punching bag for one of my neurodivergent clients, because this little guy needs to kind of be really physical, and I think that can be integrated with a spot, a brain spot. So I think just really being so open and in terms of ourselves and wanting to tap into our creative potential, yeah, we do get those messages like we have to be good at something and we have to be skilled at it and feel.
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Colleen Kylum
Yeah. And I think that interestingly enough, I'm a much better singer than I am an artist. But I feel freer sometimes with art because I've never had that pressure put on me that I have to be good. I just get to not be that great and it's okay or or even dance. Sometimes I can laugh at myself and not feel pressure to like, be performative.
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Colleen Kylum
So I think just to be open to any possibility. And there's some great Christy Sneddon and Serena, they do some phasing poetry retreats and I've, I worked with Christy a little bit and gone through a process and that has tapped in a ton of creative ability with me. And I've used some of that lyrics for songs. So I think just being open to that, we all have.
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Cherie Lindberg
The.
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Colleen Kylum
Ability to be creative, whether it's through art, whether it's through music, whether it's through poetry or short story writing. And for me, when I create something I don't even know, sometimes I'll create something and then it'll be later that I'm like, oh, I was talking about this or that. So it's can be so healing and help us get to know ourselves so much better.
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Colleen Kylum
So just be open.
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Cherie Lindberg
To.
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Colleen Kylum
Exploring it and not feeling like you have to hit any like benchmark of proficiency.
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Cherie Lindberg
Right? We get to play. Yeah. Well and again not to keep hammering this home I, I find this really helpful and interesting especially when you have clients that have, you know, negative narratives around play. Right. And so to listen to you say like, oh, it might take them eight months or to to be able to unlock that or to support somebody in unlocking that in themselves and watching them blossom.
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Cherie Lindberg
I can only imagine how enriching that is for you as as the healer holding the space.
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Colleen Kylum
I think it's beautiful. And I think clients also need us to have the same bravery. If we're doing our own creative process and we're being brave and exploring things for ourselves, they're going to feel that some part of them is going to feel that, and then they're going to be willing to explore and be brave, too. Like the teenagers.
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Colleen Kylum
It's hard, right? Like there can be some insecurity. And just because it can be tough. So, you know, even in that session where our group that there was it was so cute, someone picked the song. My girl and I looked around and kids were kind of singing, and I was noticing where their gaze points were. And I started singing a little bit too.
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Colleen Kylum
And you saw the kids sort of light up like.
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Cherie Lindberg
Oh.
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Colleen Kylum
She's willing to take a risk. She's willing to be brave, you know, and and that increased their bravery. So even in session, maybe I'll share like a song and.
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Cherie Lindberg
You see.
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Colleen Kylum
Someone's face just like light and like they're willing to take that risk, too. I can do that. And they get braver.
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Cherie Lindberg
Yeah, yeah.
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Colleen Kylum
They're willing to play more.
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Cherie Lindberg
It's beautiful. I've incorporated expressive arts in my parts training, and I just think bringing all these different avenues together with brain spotting, you know, movement, like you said, music or drawing or painting or whatever, so that each person, whatever draws them or whatever speaking to them that like you're saying, it gives them some freedom to move it in whatever is speaking to them in the moment.
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Cherie Lindberg
And that's a really beautiful thing.
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Colleen Kylum
And I think we can model laughing at ourselves like, oh, I'm going to try. You know, with kids, I'm going to try and draw a bear. And maybe at.
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Cherie Lindberg
The end tonight, I feel a little silly drawing.
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Colleen Kylum
This bear and they'll, they'll kind of like, laugh with you or be like, oh that's good, you know, and have it be.
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Cherie Lindberg
Relational, right? Right. Wonderful, wonderful. Is there anything I haven't asked you that you think would be important to share with our listeners?
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Colleen Kylum
I, I can't think of anything I hope I haven't gone to like, tangential for.
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Cherie Lindberg
Or not at all. No, it's I mean, healing is exciting. Yeah. And and to know that this is another avenue and then you add a brain spot with it, it just helps people go deeper, faster, quicker. It accelerates the the process.
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Colleen Kylum
And uncover gifts they didn't know they.
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Cherie Lindberg
Had. Yes. Yeah. Yeah I love.
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Colleen Kylum
That you incorporate it with the parts. That's really neat.
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Cherie Lindberg
And it's a lot of fun and and because and I'll, I'll share it on here. That's an area of challenge for me is play. And so I started going after that and okay how can I play a little bit more as an adult? Because I think that happens a lot for adults.
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Colleen Kylum
It does.
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Cherie Lindberg
Yeah.
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Colleen Kylum
And we need it.
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Cherie Lindberg
Yes, for sure. Because life isn't meant to be serious all the time.
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Colleen Kylum
And it doesn't need to be like, I'm going to sit down and sing a song or write a song or create a project. Anything we do can be playful and reflective, like taking a walk with the dog after work or, you know, a workout is reflective and playful, like anything we do can have an element of play in it, even just noticing the parts of our routine that naturally can incorporate play.
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Colleen Kylum
If we are used to working out or cooking or things, we have to do that and feel like a little bit more expressive and playful.
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Cherie Lindberg
Yeah, it's all about being mindful while you're doing it. Yeah, I hear that shrill. Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you so much for for joining us. And we'll make sure that we have any social links or information on the show notes for your if you do have a training coming up.
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Colleen Kylum
I do I'm doing a training September 20th and a couple Saturdays. Okay. It's going to be really fun. It's just a day and people should bring their favorite song or song that's meaningful to them from some part of their life and have creative supplies on hand, whether it's markers or crayons or sand, and so that we can kind of start to explore, because I think there's so much with expressive arts and brain spotting that also has yet to be discovered.
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Colleen Kylum
So we need more people making discoveries.
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Cherie Lindberg
That's right. Yeah, right. Okay. Well, thank you so much for coming on here and sharing your gifts and your thoughts about expressive arts and brain spying and how you got there. I really appreciate.
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Colleen Kylum
It. Thanks, Sherry. Thanks for having me. It was it was fun to hang out with you.
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Cherie Lindberg
So welcome. Good to get to know you better.
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Colleen Kylum
Yeah.
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Cherie Lindberg
Thank you.
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Cherie Lindberg
I hope all of you found this really helpful and useful and elevated life. We continue to try to bring a variety of resources to you so that you can see there's many different ways of healing and leading and elevated life. And so, Colleen, talking about expressive arts, for those of you that maybe don't want to talk and yet movement or dance or singing or songs or painting or coloring different ways for you to express what is inside so that you are able to heal and move beyond that and connect with your own internal gifts.
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Cherie Lindberg
Your own internal creativity sounds very exciting, and Colleen would be one of those for not just for healers, for you to take her training so that she can support you in learning and you can help your clients, but also for anyone listening, you know, just encourage you maybe get an adult coloring book, or consider seeing a expressive arts therapist just to have the experience and see how your system responds to it.
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Cherie Lindberg
So again, if you found this helpful, please share with friends or family members. As we are trying to reach the largest population we can because we all need in this world today. Hope, positivity and different ways of healing and going through life. And so until we meet again, thank you so much for listening and sharing.
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Narrator
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