A hank heist scavenger hunt mixed with a frozen murdered ex, a couple of hoarders, a drug dealer, and a manipulative puppet master make up the cast of the true crime Netflix docuseries, Evil Genius: The True Story of America's Most Diabolical Bank Heist.

The Ladies of Scarlet tackle the story of Marjorie Diehl-Armstrong and her band of Merry Men as they cover-up murders, make a game of a bank robbery, and turn a common town into the epicenter of small town crime.

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alright.

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I'm um I'm a little flustered.

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Uh,

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I know it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to you

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guys right now because we don't necessarily release our episodes in

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the order in which we record them.

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But I was just thrown for a little bit of a loop from our last recording.

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So I got to kind of get back in the zone here.

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Uh, Sanya kinda messed with my head a little.

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Okay, well, this will definitely get you back in the

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zone because what we're going to be talking about next, Brittany is I

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think one of our favorite, docu-series

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not my favorite, but,

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um, it's perplexing.

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Oh,

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yeah.

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That's for sure.

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Yeah.

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It's um, I mean, I, I felt a little strange at the end of it, but let's,

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uh, let's start at the beginning.

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What are we talking about?

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Ready?

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We are talking about the Netflix docu-series

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by the Duplass brothers and

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I love them.

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I'm calling them out specifically because

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they are, they are awesome.

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They make some really great shows and movies.

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Called evil genius.

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Um, and this was, this was a show that came out in, I don't

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know, 17, 18, maybe 2018.

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Okay.

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So it's a lot of new one.

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Um, but it's, it's really interesting.

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Quick little, uh, Very high level, what the series seems like it's about and what

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it's actually about are very different.

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It seems like it's about the, was it 2004, three, 2003, 2003 bank

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robbery slash bombing that a hostage bombing, single person hostage, uh,

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that I remember vaguely happened.

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And I don't remember that happening.

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Yeah, I remember vaguely and you, my listeners might remember it.

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It was the guy who was, uh, had a bomb strapped to his chest.

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He had just robbed a bank.

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And, um, there, I mean kind of like the iconic scenes of him are on the asphalt

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between two squad cars, handcuffed saying he's got a bomb and it's going to explore.

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And ultimately explodes.

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So the documentary starts out seemingly like it's going to be about that event,

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but it's totally not about that at all.

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I mean, it is, but not really.

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Yeah.

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So the docu-series is called evil genius.

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The true story of America's most diabolical bank.

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And even there, Brittany, like, to your point, it's not what you think, but I'm

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not even sure the name is accurate because I worry I'm like, how diabolical was it?

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So this was a true story.

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This really happened.

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But really to your point, you know, So much bigger and so much smaller at the

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same time, you know, like it's like, it was such a white wine, you know, like

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totally stupid, but, you know, I mean, Hey, it was a windy road to get there.

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I will say that.

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So this docu series centers around.

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Weird cast of characters.

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The first of course is the poor dude who got blown up Brian Wells.

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And, um, you know, he, this is in Erie, Pennsylvania, so he was a guy,

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you know, he's a pizza delivery guy.

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Um, he, I mean, he, like Brittany said, you know, he's, we see that we have

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a lot of footage of this guy because we know that he goes into a bank.

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We know that he has a bomb strapped to his chest because

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it's pretty obvious there's a.

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On over the bond, but it's huge and it's a color, it's a color bomb.

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So essentially it's a collar around his neck that he can't get off.

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And by the way, he also has a gun that's in the shape of a king.

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So he, how pray, tell did this gentleman get like, this is what you're probably

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asking, but we'll tell you about that.

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He goes into the bank.

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He demands money.

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I think they give them some money.

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Yeah, I think they do.

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And I, he, he was sent into the bank with this like long, almost like

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manifesto that long and short of it was give me $250,000 or I'm going to

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blow up this bomb attached to my chest.

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So I don't know what they actually give him, but they give him something.

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I mean, I've always heard that banks are insured.

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So in those situations they're essentially told, just do it.

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Don't cause a panic there's that probably that like explosive dye stuff in there.

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Anyway, the bank is insured.

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The police will be called instantly.

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So he goes in, he gives the note, he gets the money you walks out and

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pretty much police swarm instantly.

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So was weird about it.

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You would say to yourself when you see the footage of this dude, that

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he doesn't look to be under any real stress entering in, he's got his cane.

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Um, it would appear that.

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Somehow or another, you know, it maybe knows that either the bomb's

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not real or he's, he doesn't, doesn't appear to think that he's in any

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danger, I guess is what I'll say.

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Right.

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He strolls in, he strolls out, he goes out to his car and the police swarm him.

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I think he's sitting down in front of his car on the, uh, there's a

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lot of footage of this, by the way.

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Yeah.

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It's like what?

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And then, uh, of course he's sitting there.

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Yeah.

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What starts happening, you know, they put, I think, I don't know if they have

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handcuffs on and he's sitting on the ground, he's sitting on the ground.

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The police have no freaking idea what to do.

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Cause they're terrified.

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They're like, well, we know the guy's got a bomb somewhere and

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we don't want to go up there.

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Isn't real.

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The guy doesn't seem to be acting like it's real.

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He doesn't seem to be in under any.

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Except when it starts ticking.

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Yeah.

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And then he's like, I think this thing's going to go off.

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And this is when you kind of see the shift in him and it's like, oh shit.

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Even.

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So though

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there's, there is somewhat of a shift in him, but it's

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still less of a shift than I would expect for someone who's about to be blown up

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because he's like, Hey guys, no real.

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It's going to explode as opposed to like, holy shit.

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Oh my God, I'm going to die.

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Get me outta here.

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Like, there's not panic.

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It's just, this is serious.

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Come on.

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You know, let's hurry this up.

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Let's let's move this along

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that.

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Well, exactly.

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And let's remember that because.

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There's conversations later about whether this gentleman, you

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know, participated in this crime.

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And I think that's a real tell that I do feel like you, Brittany that up

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into the minute where he got blown up.

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I don't think he thought that he was going to get blown up.

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No, we'll, uh, we'll talk about that towards the end, because

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that's how I kind of felt, but then.

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I don't know either.

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So let's go with a cast of characters because we've got the initial incident.

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So let's talk a little bit of a mom, more of this, this

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guy, he gets blown up he's um,

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and by the way,

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Yeah, it's crazy.

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He falls over the police are like, what do we do?

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You know, is he going to blow up again or do we walk up to them?

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Right.

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I mean, how do we know if he's alive?

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Do we help him?

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Is he the victim or is he a criminal?

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Like didn't even know.

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I think they figured out after a while by the look on his face, I'm

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sure that he's no longer alive and.

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Here's where I was like, whoa, that's crazy and weird.

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So he's got a collar bomb on.

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Right.

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And so they, and rightly, so these police are very concerned that

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this thing might blow up again.

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And if they take it off of him or try to manipulate the bomb

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in any way, it could explode.

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So they're scared.

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Right?

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So they cut his head off to get the ball.

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On the, on the sidewalk essentially.

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Yeah, right there, right there in the middle of shenanigans.

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Just everybody.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, but also it's the, the cut is, I think they tried to remove

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the collar because the, the, the.

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Big backstory of this is, it was actually kind of a game

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where he had this collar on.

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He was going to, he, he robbed the bank and then he was being sent on

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a scavenger hunt of other places.

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And he was going to get information that was going to lead him to the

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keys so he could let himself out of the collar and it turned, and

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there were four like locks on the.

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Only two of them were even capable of being unlocked.

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So two of them were like, just decoys anyway.

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So part of that is what messed up with the officers too, is that

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they didn't know if there was even really a way to get that collar off.

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Yeah.

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And, and try not to move the guy.

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And I hate rightly so.

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You know, I don't really blame them and I think.

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The family was pissed off, but it's an unusual circumstance.

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And I think the police had to do what they had to do to

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make sure that they were safe.

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Now we, we move along again.

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Brittany's point we find paperwork in the car, um, uh, Brian Wells, and

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we know that there's a bomb and it's pretty easy to dissect the pieces,

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the flew everywhere and understand and potentially figure out who made the bomb.

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So that happens, right?

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That's on the news.

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That's known as the pizza bomber, so on.

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And so.

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Parallel to that.

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Right?

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We've got another case where we've got a gentleman named bill Rothstein, call the

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police and say, Hey, I need to tell you that I got a dead body in my freezer and

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this crazy woman, Marjorie deal Armstrong, who was my, or is my ex-girlfriend or not.

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Maybe she's my girlfriend who knows.

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I'm not really sure.

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I'm not sure.

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But she's with me and she made me put the body in the freezer and,

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um, you know, I've been stalling for time because I know it's wrong.

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And the way I've been selling for crime is time, time as I've been going

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around, pretending like I'm buying meat, grinders, and other ways to do this body,

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but let's be sure we freeze it for now.

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Um, and so this is where it gets weird, man, the police.

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Go over to bill Rothstein.

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So the person who's talks about again, Marjorie deal Armstrong.

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We'll talk about her in a minute.

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The police go over to his house and he shows them around, gives

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them a tour, including the tour of the freezer with the dead body.

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So Brittany, who is in the freezer, would you like to share.

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Uh, so I have to admit, I have a little bit of a confession

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to make, uh, this is the, this is the second time I've watched this series.

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And the end of episode one is when bill calls the police, the start-up

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of episode two is when he starts showing the police around his place.

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I fell asleep watching episode two, the second time.

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And watch it all the way through the first time I fell asleep the second

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time, um, the, the victim, the body at this point is Marjorie deal.

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Armstrong's another one of her ex-boyfriends.

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He was, he was her former boyfriend at the time.

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His last name is roadblock and tell you why you remember his

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last name, but what's his first.

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Jeez, this gentleman's name and if they had been dating

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apparently for quite a while.

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So when we talk about Marjorie a little bit, well, first of all, go,

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can he stay with her for 10 years, but a changed route and was his name.

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And he was folded up like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and put into

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the freezer and kept there for a while.

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While bill was, I guess, just trying to figure out what to do with

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Marjorie and.

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Uh, so, okay.

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This is a total sidebar.

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I don't know why, but I kept on remembering, uh, James Rodin's last

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name because I kept on calling it Rodin, which I'm pretty sure it

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was a name of a Godzilla Kaiju.

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That is exactly Britney.

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You are in the band.

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And that's how I kept I that's how I remembered his last name,

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but clearly I forgot his first name.

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James it's spelled it is, but that's how I remember.

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Yeah, Nana for sharing.

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I think Rodin is, uh, the it's sounds like the French version of road.

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And, but, uh, the road 10 is the three headed monster and that's another one.

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There's

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another one, 300 monsters and Godzilla.

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I'll send you a picture.

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Yeah.

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And I think that turtle has three heads.

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Do they had a lot of things that have had multiple heads.

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Yeah.

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I'll send you a picture of what I have.

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Yeah.

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Sorry guys.

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Any who?

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Back to the track.

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So bill roster.

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For some reason decides that he wants to share with police.

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You know, stop whatever he's doing with Marjorie.

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And he turns her in and, um, because not only does he show them where

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the body is, but he tells them who to ultimately murdered James Roden.

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And he says it's Marjorie.

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And it's pretty easy to see that someone murdered James.

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Because he didn't put himself in the freezer and the x-ray x-ray him and

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he's got shrapnel in his, uh, throat.

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So apparently someone decided to use a shotgun to shoot James Roden

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and then decided to either keep him on ice for whatever reason.

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We'll talk about that later.

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But, um, you know, this is where Billy on scene and Marjorie, um,

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you know, are obviously at odds.

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You ask us, what would this have to do with the pizza bomber case?

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And we don't really realize until a little bit later in the docu-series

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that they actually do, because it appears that Marjorie and bill and, uh,

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uh, a couple of other folks conspired to, uh, and Marjorie will never admit

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this, but conspired to do sort of do the pizza heist or the, the bank ice.

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It's so strange because you know, Marjorie's Marjorie deal arm from is

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apparently a very intelligent person.

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Yes.

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A person who was very manipulative is, um, she doesn't appear to be a nice person.

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So she, on, in her interviews on camera it's, she's not very likable and

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she, but loud, aggressive almost felt like she had Tourette's a little bit.

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It's very, very clear.

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She has pretty significant mental illness and she is it's indicative

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and obvious that she is someone who needed help a long, long time ago.

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And we will see that there was someone who really tried in earnest to get her help.

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And.

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Did everything right, but the system kind of just spit her back out.

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She is someone that she struggled because she genuinely was extremely intelligent.

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That's where the genius comes from, but very manipulative and, uh, dealt with a

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lot of, uh, contradicting mental health conditions that caused her to be quite.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, she was very persuasive.

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Um, it's set.

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So really the center of the story is about, is really Marjorie deal Armstrong.

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Apparently she was the mastermind behind the whole thing and what's unknown.

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I mean, She was doing this for money because at one point I think

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:17:23

she hired a Hitman to kill her dad.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:17:25

She was pissed off at him because he was giving away her inheritance.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:17:28

And so she retaliated by trying to hire another one of these cast of yokels.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:17:33

Uh, Ken Barnes, her fishing, um, was my note.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:17:37

And he's like, yeah, sure.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:17:38

I'll kill your dad.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:17:39

You know, he was said he was just bullshitting and she wasn't.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:17:42

He was like, of course I'm not.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:17:43

But, uh, she was really,

Brittney Sherman: 00:17:45

he was really serious is, uh, he, he was like a.

Brittney Sherman: 00:17:50

No local Erie, Pennsylvania.

Brittney Sherman: 00:17:56

Drug dealer, like he was known around town in the seedy areas, uh, as being

Brittney Sherman: 00:18:03

like the go to guy to get your fix.

Brittney Sherman: 00:18:07

And he was a major, major addict himself.

Brittney Sherman: 00:18:11

And at one point they'd go to his.

Brittney Sherman: 00:18:13

And it is straight out of hoarders, like a, with all of the worst part

Brittney Sherman: 00:18:19

of hoarders that you can imagine, not just the stuff, but the Fil,

Brittney Sherman: 00:18:24

the grime, the rodents, the bugs.

Brittney Sherman: 00:18:27

And it was, eh, it was just awful.

Brittney Sherman: 00:18:31

And God bless anyone who trusted the drugs that they got from this.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:18:38

Well, that's, what's weird about it because I don't know, maybe

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:18:41

it's the condition or whatever condition is, but you know, that hoarder condition,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:18:45

bill Rothstein had the same thing.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:18:46

He and showed them around his house.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:18:49

He had lived in the house for 55 years.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:18:51

Like he probably didn't even see like the floor in someone's our

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:18:53

house for 50 something years.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:18:55

I mean, it was, and this is bill Rossi was a very intelligent man again.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:00

Some of these people are anyway, are very intelligent, very manipulative, um, you

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:04

know, manipulated by Margarie apparently.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:07

And, um, at some point, you know, in this documentary Dr.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:10

Series, his best friend is interviewed and he was like, I don't even know that.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:16

But what's weird about bill rusty, you know, because what we find is that, like

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:20

you said, there's all this documentation, there is exhaustive letters, um,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:27

to the bank teller about the heist.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:29

Like who's going to S so I don't, there are a lot of things that

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:33

are confusing about this to me.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:34

Um, I don't understand, I get it, that they were sending

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:39

somebody on a wild goose chase.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:41

So when they write this giant letter to the bank, Are they

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:46

expecting them to read it and it's would take time for them to know.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:50

I thought that too.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:52

What's their point like who this is.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:54

You're like, you know, you're making a stand or whatever, but to who, like,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:19:57

what do you think the bank teller is going to give a shit, you know, about

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:01

your, why you're compelled to exactly.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:04

And it's weird.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:05

And then the here's what I also have a problem with.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:08

So the whole shenanigans with, you know, the game, the scavenger hunt,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:14

the police did a test and it was a very, very simple test to do.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:18

And the test.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:19

How long would it take to go from point a through the points, the listed on the

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:24

scavenger hunt to get to the end result.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:27

And it was time that was more time than they had put on the timer on the bomb.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:33

So Brian Wells would have never know.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:36

So if these people are robbing a bank, so here's where I'm like Marjorie deal,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:39

Armstrong KUKA Rue, for sure, because.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:42

You know, if she's trying to kill her dad because of the money.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:44

Right.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:45

And she many times will say in this next two years, I'm rich.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:47

Why would I need to do that?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:49

You know, she lies a lot.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:51

I mean, she can fix herself a lot.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:52

First.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:52

She says that she didn't kill her boyfriend.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:54

And then later on, she absolutely admits to it because they were

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:57

arguing about another woman.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:20:58

And, but when you listen to both, you know, the, both of the

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:01

interviews, it sounds exactly the same mean she's a great writer.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:06

I would have never thought she's, I mean, she's adamant, you know, I

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:09

mean she's, and she's crazy too, but she's adamant that she didn't do.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:11

And then she's like, yeah, I did it, you know, and she was, she was proud of it.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:16

The part that's weird about the bill Rossi thing is again, a very intelligent man.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:20

It sounds to me like it's fairly, we're fairly confident that bill

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:24

wrote the scavenger hunt letters and also the letter to the bank teller,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:29

um, you know, sort of this manifesto.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:31

Right.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:32

But, um, if Marjorie's the one who masterminded this for money, if anybody

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:37

masterminded it for me, And they didn't give this guy enough time to

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:42

fulfill it before they blew him up.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:21:44

I'm

Brittney Sherman: 00:21:44

not sure.

Brittney Sherman: 00:21:45

Yeah.

Brittney Sherman: 00:21:45

I don't really know what the point was.

Brittney Sherman: 00:21:47

Either.

Brittney Sherman: 00:21:50

The scavenger hunt starts with a Wells.

Brittney Sherman: 00:21:55

You delivering a pizza per se, we're going to assume that because

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:00

that's ultimately, I think what is kinda sorta decided happen.

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:04

Uh, and then to, to Marjorie Armstrong, he is confronted by four people,

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:12

Marjorie bill, and then two other guys.

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:16

Um, the one we just talked about, uh, Ken burns, Ken Barnes, and

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:20

then one other guy who was he?

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:23

A convicted sex offender who was living with a bill, but so

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:31

essentially he just went along for the ride because he was living there.

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:34

Um, essentially.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:22:35

But that's, what's weird about it.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:22:37

Like why like, are they going to split it out?

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:39

Yeah.

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:40

Well, that's what I mean, but so essentially, so Wells leaves, he

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:44

goes to the bank, then they follow him and they have stakeout points.

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:47

So I'm wondering if they had no intention of him finishing the scavenger hunt

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:53

and they were essentially just going to corner him, take the money and then let.

Brittney Sherman: 00:22:59

Die with the bomb,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:23:01

but why go to the trouble of writing out the scavenger hunt?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:23:03

And I think they found the pieces that the scavenger hunt was

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:23:05

supposed to lead them to as well.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:23:07

Didn't they did.

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:08

Yeah, that's true.

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:09

I agree.

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:10

But Wheeler, but you're so you're dealing with mentally unstable

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:15

people, particularly Marjorie, because, so not just James Rodin.

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:21

Did she kill.

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:24

She had two previous boyfriends that wound up dead one.

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:30

She went to trial for his murder and was ultimately found not guilty, but

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:37

her defense attorney in that trial tried and tried and tried to get her

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:43

committed to a mental facility because as a psychiatric facility, Because he knew

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:49

she was not right and she needed help.

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:52

And I think she spent like 10 days in a psychiatric facility, but ultimately

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:56

was determined not to be severe enough.

Brittney Sherman: 00:23:59

So it was spit back out into society.

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:02

And he's interviewed later on in the series towards the end

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:05

and essentially says, I knew.

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:08

20 years ago, or whenever it was when I defended her, this woman was

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:14

violent and dangerous and had a mental health condition and needed help,

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:19

but they just didn't believe me.

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:21

And didn't find her severe enough.

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:22

And now look where we're at.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:24:24

I think that happens a lot.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:24:26

I mean, yeah, we

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:28

hear about that frequently way more often than not.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:24:31

Yep.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:24:32

So, I mean, that's, that's pretty much the, the short of it.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:24:36

I mean, there are a lot of meanderings in the docu-series there's a lot of

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:24:40

video of her yelling and talking.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:24:43

Trying to compel somebody to do something for, I don't even know sometimes

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:48

what the, and that's the, that's kinda the,

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:51

the, the thing about this year is that it's, it's worth a watch.

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:55

But when you said, like, it's one of our favorites, I can't say it's one of my

Brittney Sherman: 00:24:58

favorites because it's, it's compelling.

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:01

It's interesting.

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:03

The first episode is really interesting in it's all about the bombing.

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:09

And then it ends on this huge cliffhanger of bill Rothstein calling

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:14

the police like, whoa, what does this have anything to do with it?

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:18

And then episode two is all about Marjorie, even though I fell asleep.

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:23

Second viewing of it.

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:24

It's all about her and like her previous mysterious boyfriend deaths and the one

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:31

that, uh, she killed, possibly killed, uh, because she wanted him to, uh, murder her

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:39

father so she could get his inheritance, even though he wrote her out of his will.

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:44

Uh, and then episode three and four is kind of just.

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:51

Marjorie, just kind of ranting and raving and other people that she

Brittney Sherman: 00:25:58

shared cells with and other people that these other guys shared prison

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:03

cells with being interviewed and saying, yeah, this is what they said.

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:06

And these are the letters we wrote, but it doesn't really

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:09

introduce any new information.

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:11

Uh, no, it doesn't.

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:13

It.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:26:14

I mean, but I mean, for the, for the first time

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:26:16

I watched it, I really like it.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:26:17

So I would say, take Alyssa, take a, listen, take a look.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:26:22

I mean, do you want to share what the outcome is or,

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:25

well, yeah, because I think honestly the, I don't want

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:28

to negate the last two episodes.

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:30

There's only, it's only four episodes, so it's a pretty quick watch.

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:33

Um, but the.

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:35

The most compelling part of the fourth episode is trying to

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:39

identify whether or not Wells is what was party to the initial plot.

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:46

And I think officially criminally, he was neither, even though he was

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:51

dead, he was neither posthumously.

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:54

Accused nor acquitted of being involved.

Brittney Sherman: 00:26:57

There wasn't enough evidence one way or the other.

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:00

Uh, and his family is very vocal in court, just yelling at the, the judge when he

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:08

suggests that he may have been involved.

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:11

And so.

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:14

Yeah.

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:14

On one hand, just before the show wraps, it seems pretty conclusive

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:20

that he was not party to the crime.

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:24

He showed up to deliver a pizza as part of his job.

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:29

And he was conned into essentially, he was, he was

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:34

forced into wearing this bomb and.

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:39

Going on this scavenger hunt, uh, earlier they talk about how he was involved in

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:44

the planning that seem to be negated.

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:48

However, one of the very last things that they talk about in this

Brittney Sherman: 00:27:53

series is there's a woman who is an eerie PA prostitute, who was a.

Brittney Sherman: 00:28:04

Frequent welds was a frequent client of hers.

Brittney Sherman: 00:28:08

Uh, and they became actually like really good friends.

Brittney Sherman: 00:28:12

Like they genuinely hung out and she would get groceries for his elderly parents.

Brittney Sherman: 00:28:20

Um, and then she became pregnant right around the time that he died

Brittney Sherman: 00:28:24

and she thinks he's the father, but he, uh, Again, what the heck's

Brittney Sherman: 00:28:33

the drug dealers name again?

Brittney Sherman: 00:28:34

I'm so terrible with this.

Brittney Sherman: 00:28:36

His name's Ken barns.

Brittney Sherman: 00:28:38

Here's how

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:28:38

they sort of, I understood.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:28:40

They knew each other.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:28:41

Jessica, so-and-so the prostitute.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:28:44

Was getting drugs from Ken Barnes.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:28:48

So she would essentially come in Ken and I, if I'm not mistaken, Brian Wells

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:28:52

lived or hung out with Ken Barnes too.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:28:55

So she would hook up with Brian Wells.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:28:57

They would have sex upstairs.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:28:59

She would take that money and go downstairs to Ken Barnes and get

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:02

drugs, and then she would do them.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:04

Yeah.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:04

So what I understood happened was that at some point, Marjorie

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:10

and maybe bill who knows.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:13

Came over to Ken Barnes house and said, we need some idiot to, you know,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:20

sort of be the person who's going to go to the bank for us at the time

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:24

Jessica was there and she heard her.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:27

It appears that Jessica May have been the person that suggested

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:30

Brian Wells, which he says

Brittney Sherman: 00:29:32

great regret

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:33

for.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:34

So when Brian Wells came up with, so they essentially ordered a pizza and

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:38

they, then they took the pizza guy and kind of held them hostage and threw

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:42

a bomb on him and made him go do it.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:44

I think they were familiar with each other.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:46

Brian Wells obviously knew Ken Barnes, Ken Barnes was warned was there.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:50

So there was some familiarity when you drove up with a pizza,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:54

which by the way, it was like really close to bill Rossi towels.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:29:58

He had to have seen Ken Barnes.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:00

He knew him.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:01

Right.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:01

So he's got to feel some comfort.

Brittney Sherman: 00:30:03

I mean, I think this was a, it was like a pretty small town

Brittney Sherman: 00:30:06

in, especially like this neighborhood.

Brittney Sherman: 00:30:07

It was like the type of neighborhood where everyone knows each other.

Brittney Sherman: 00:30:10

So I don't think any of these guys were stranger.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:13

Yeah, exactly.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:14

So I think when Brian walked up with the pizza, if I, I understood

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:17

they had a slice of pizza and then they kind of ambushed him.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:20

But I think that they told them all along.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:22

It wasn't real because if they would, he would add any inclination

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:26

that that bomb was going to go off.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:27

His, his actions would have been very different,

Brittney Sherman: 00:30:30

I would think so, but they did see or

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:33

drive to the police.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:34

So if I, if I, I would never get in a car with, uh, something that, that may

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:39

or may not be a bomb and drive and go do what they said, I would try that.

Brittney Sherman: 00:30:43

But I think they did say that he did have a certain level of

Brittney Sherman: 00:30:46

cognitive impairment and may not have, he may have known, but may not have wanted

Brittney Sherman: 00:30:52

to question them and may have believed that if he just went along with their

Brittney Sherman: 00:30:55

plan, everything would have been okay.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:57

Yeah, no, for sure.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:30:58

And I'm not sure when, I mean it, did they give him the paperwork

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:01

and say here's the scavenger hunt and was the first stop the bank.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:04

And that's what.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:06

Oh, so maybe it was just a game all along.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:08

It's just really strange.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:09

Cause he's on guys.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:10

He's on video, man.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:11

He's like, they're looking straight in you in camera saying, you know, guys,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:17

guys, I think something's happening here.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:20

And it's like, and then all that.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:22

I mean, he, I really felt like he never his face.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:25

He never had until the very second where that thing blew up, he really

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:29

had any idea it was going to blow up.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:31

Yeah,

Brittney Sherman: 00:31:32

I agree.

Brittney Sherman: 00:31:33

I think he knew that.

Brittney Sherman: 00:31:35

I think towards the end, he knew this was a real bomb, but I don't know if

Brittney Sherman: 00:31:39

he knew that it was like imminent.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:43

Alrighty.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:44

Well, Scarlett is, that was a pretty short little episode.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:47

I have a couple of shout outs I want to do so, uh, maybe we'll keep going.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:51

Okay.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:52

All right.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:53

I want to do a couple shout outs to some new friends that I've made recently.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:31:57

I want to give a shout out to music city 9 1 1.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:00

Brandon Hall is the host and he has a periodic co-host as well.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:05

He is a nine 11 dispatcher in Nashville, Tennessee.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:09

And I would just love to sort of tell you guys to take a listen.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:12

I, so he's a real nine 11 operator.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:15

So the stories that he had, obviously perplexing and really

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:20

entertaining in my opinion.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:21

And he's just a real nice guy.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:22

And his voice is really, really lovely.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:24

So highly suggest those guys give them a shout out and we have a promo

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:29

for them at the end of our episode.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:30

So you guys can take a listen, get a little familiar with them.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:33

And then I also want to give a shout out to my group.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:36

Katelyn Dowdy.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:38

Now she doesn't know she's mine, but I tell her right now, um, I, she does a

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:44

YouTube series called a mortician and.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:48

I'm not sure if I counted corpse as part of asking mortician or it's a

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:51

separate sort of, you know, thinks she does, but she's a mortician.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:32:56

I think she lives in LA and she's got her own funeral home with a partner.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:00

And, um, I find her to be really, really, really fascinating.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:05

And I know it sounds really gruesome, but there are questions that I have a.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:08

That stuff that I've always wanted to ask and her YouTube videos are so informative

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:15

and she's got a huge following, but, um, I really, I really find her interesting,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:19

like the other day I will readily admit I watched a video that she did about how

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:25

they keep your mouth shut when you're, um, you know, being prepared for reviewing.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:29

And, um, it was, I know that's really gruesome and crazy,

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:32

but it was really interesting.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:33

So I am,

Brittney Sherman: 00:33:36

I'm not going to tell you, you have to watch it.

Brittney Sherman: 00:33:37

I can't.

Brittney Sherman: 00:33:38

That was the proper answer.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:40

Yeah.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:40

Just watch it, please watch it.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:42

But she's really awesome.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:43

I'm hoping Brittany, since she's in LA and we're in LA, that we could at some

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point do a little interview and meet each other because yeah, she's really cool.

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And I love her observations and she's just really informative.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:33:56

So yeah, you Caitlyn Dowdy and iconic corpse and ask mortician, check her out.

Brittney Sherman: 00:34:03

All right.

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It's Carlitos as always.

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Thanks for checking this out.

Brittney Sherman: 00:34:07

Um, I think you're going to be hearing some more promos from us in the future.

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We are really enjoying, connecting with other independent podcasters

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and supporting one another.

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So if you have suggestions or are interested in being promoted on Scarlet

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TCP and would like to do a promo swap, we would love to hear from you, uh, hit

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us up on social media, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and listen to us on every

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platform where podcasts are available.

Brittney Sherman: 00:34:39

Sonya, anything else?

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:34:42

No, this has been very enjoyable.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:34:44

Hi, you guys, our audience, I have to give them credit.

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They I've been hearing some wonderful things from people lately,

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so we really appreciate all your support, so, uh, keep killing it.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:34:54

Scarlet owes.

Brittney Sherman: 00:34:55

All right.

Brittney Sherman: 00:34:56

Thank you.

Sonia Meza-Leon: 00:35:07

Hey, y'all I'm Brandon Hall.

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I'm one of the hosts of music city, nine 11, a podcast about the good,

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the bad, and the dark side of nine 11.

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Dispatching me and my co-hosts are 9 1 1 dispatchers.

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With over 60 years of experience, join us as we play 9 1 1 calls and discuss.

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you can find us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at music city nominal one.

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And we're downloadable on every podcast platform.