You hired the person who closes your revenue because she was cute, bubbly, and smart enough not to embarrass anyone in the front office — and now that the numbers won't move, you're up at midnight shopping for a two-day course to fix her. Queen, that course isn't a training plan. It's a rescue mission.
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I've walked into a lot of businesses and asked the owner how she picked
Speaker:the person who closes her revenue.
Speaker:And the honest answer, if she's brave enough to say it out loud,
Speaker:is usually some version of this.
Speaker:She's cute, she has a great personality,
Speaker:and she seems smart enough. That's it.
Speaker:That's the hiring criteria for the single most expensive seat in the entire company.
Speaker:And then six months later, when the numbers don't move,
Speaker:that same owner is up at 11 o'clock at night typing into an online forum.
Speaker:Does anybody know a good sales course I can send my person to?
Speaker:Queen, I wanna talk about that question today.
Speaker:Because that question is not the beginning of solving the problem.
Speaker:That question is a consequence.
Speaker:What's up Queen? I'm Doctor Anna Castilla.
Speaker:Orthodontist, business coach, author,
Speaker:speaker, unapologetic dream chaser,
Speaker:and yes, I took my business from flatlining to an eight-figure exit
Speaker:in just eight years. But spoiler alert,
Speaker:I didn't get there by playing a safe.
Speaker:I broke rules, I made bold moves,
Speaker:and I became the woman my younger self was waiting for.
Speaker:Queen Mode is your weekly dose of fierce strategy,
Speaker:unfiltered truth, and mindset shifts that will have you leading
Speaker:Growing and living like the powerhouse you are without burning out or selling out.
Speaker:So if you're done playing small and ready to rise,
Speaker:welcome home.
Speaker:Let me tell you about a role that exists in my world because it's
Speaker:the cleanest example I have, and I lived inside of it for years.
Speaker:In a dental or orthodontic practice,
Speaker:there's a person called the treatment coordinator or the TC.
Speaker:And if you want to know what a TC actually is,
Speaker:here's the translation. She is the salesperson.
Speaker:That's the job. The doctor examines the patient,
Speaker:the doctor explains what the patient needs,
Speaker:and then the doctor hands the patient off to the TC,
Speaker:and the TC sits in a little room with that family and has
Speaker:the conversation that determines whether the practice makes.
Speaker:any money that day. She handles the fear,
Speaker:she handles the price, she handles the husband who wasn't at the appointment.
Speaker:She handles the let me think about it,
Speaker:she is the entire revenue conversion function of a multimillion dollar business
Speaker:sitting in a room with a fern and a laptop.
Speaker:Now, do you want to know how she got that job?
Speaker:I have been in a lot of practices.
Speaker:When I own my own, I visited a lot of practices to learn from others.
Speaker:And I have also consulted as well.
Speaker:So I've been on both sides of the coin.
Speaker:I have had the drink after. I have had the drink afterward where
Speaker:people actually tell you the truth.
Speaker:And I can tell you the three criteria that actually get somebody moved into that
Speaker:seat. And I know because I have done this too multiple times.
Speaker:Number one, she's cute. I'm sorry,
Speaker:I'm not gonna dress it up. She's presentable,
Speaker:she's put together, she looks good in the front of the office.
Speaker:Number two, she's got a bubbly personality.
Speaker:Everybody likes her. Patients like her.
Speaker:Clients like her. She's warm. She's chatty.
Speaker:She remembers your kid's name.
Speaker:And number three, and this is my favorite,
Speaker:she's got half a brain. She's not going to embarrass anyone.
Speaker:She can work the software. She's competent.
Speaker:She shows up. She's reliable. That's the list.
Speaker:Cute, bubbly, and reasonably smart.
Speaker:And on the strength of that list,
Speaker:we hand her the job.
Speaker:And here's the thing that makes me want to put my head through a wall.
Speaker:Nobody thinks that they're actually doing this.
Speaker:Ask any owner why she promoted that person,
Speaker:and she will give you a very reasonable sounding answer about how great
Speaker:she is with people, which is a real thing.
Speaker:Being great with people is genuinely an asset,
Speaker:but being great with people is raw material.
Speaker:It is not a skill set. It's like saying you hired a surgeon because
Speaker:she has excellent hands. Okay,
Speaker:beautiful hands. But did anybody teach her the surgery?
Speaker:And then the second act happens,
Speaker:and it's the same in every single
Speaker:Single one of these stories. Six months in,
Speaker:the numbers are soft. Case acceptance is down,
Speaker:or it never came up, and now the owner is frustrated,
Speaker:and I mean personally frustrated because at this point she's watching money walk
Speaker:out of her building every day,
Speaker:and she can feel it. And she goes online into some forum or some other mastermind
Speaker:group and she posts the same question:
Speaker:Where can I find a good course to teach my salesperson?
Speaker:About sales. And here's the thing:
Speaker:that question sounds responsible.
Speaker:It sounds like a business owner taking action,
Speaker:but look at what's actually happening.
Speaker:She hired a person for a revenue critical role using three criteria that have
Speaker:nothing to do with the job, gave her minimal training,
Speaker:waited half a year, watched her fail,
Speaker:and is now shopping for a two-day course to fix it.
Speaker:That's not a training plan. That's a rescue mission.
Speaker:And before you decide I'm up here judging anybody,
Speaker:I'm not. I told you, I did this myself.
Speaker:Let me tell you about the first time I did it.
Speaker:It was January two thousand and fifteen and I had just brought
Speaker:in a consultant because my business was in such bad shape.
Speaker:I was reducing my team because I couldn't afford them.
Speaker:I was down to five people from a team of six.
Speaker:And one of the first things my consultant told me was that I needed
Speaker:a treatment coordinator immediately because at that moment I didn't have one.
Speaker:So did I go find someone with sales experience?
Speaker:No. Did I write down what the role actually required?
Speaker:No. Did I go looking for training?
Speaker:No. Did my consultant tell me how to train my person on?
Speaker:Sales. No. I looked around at the people I already had
Speaker:and I moved my scheduling coordinator,
Speaker:the lady at the reception desk into the TC chair.
Speaker:And her qualifications for what was about to become the most financially important
Speaker:job in my company were these. She was confident,
Speaker:genuinely confident, a little bossy,
Speaker:honestly, which I read as strength.
Speaker:She was good looking and presentable,
Speaker:and she knew everyone in town.
Speaker:That was my list. That was my whole list.
Speaker:No sales experience, no formal training,
Speaker:not one day of anything. And here's the part I want you to sit with because it's
Speaker:the part I'm least proud of. I gave her a job description,
Speaker:a written job description, bullet points,
Speaker:duties of the role, what were the tasks of the job,
Speaker:things like that. And in my head,
Speaker:Queen, I thought I had trained her.
Speaker:I really believed that. I thought she knows what the job.
Speaker:Is now I am done. A job description tells
Speaker:a person what tasks she's accountable for.
Speaker:It does not tell her how to do a single bit of it.
Speaker:Those are two completely different documents,
Speaker:and they are two completely different acts,
Speaker:and I confuse them for years.
Speaker:So, Queen, I have a simple question for you.
Speaker:And here it is.
Speaker:Are your salespeople trained? And you're probably listening to this thinking,
Speaker:of course, obviously, what kind of a question is that?
Speaker:So I'm gonna ask it again.
Speaker:Are they really trained? Not are they trained in the product or the service?
Speaker:I'm not talking about what it does,
Speaker:how it works, what it costs, what the options are,
Speaker:what the warranty is, what financing looks like.
Speaker:Sure, those things are great. Fine.
Speaker:That's not what I'm asking, though.
Speaker:I'm asking, are they trained in consultative or advisory selling?
Speaker:Are they trained in how to actually listen?
Speaker:And I don't mean waiting politely for their turn to talk.
Speaker:Are they trained in building trust with a stranger in under 10 minutes?
Speaker:Are they trained in how to be genuinely interesting to another human being?
Speaker:Are they trained in picking up what the real obstacle is?
Speaker:Are they trained in reading the room?
Speaker:Are they trained in influencing?
Speaker:And the answer almost every time is no.
Speaker:And here's what we often call sales training.
Speaker:We call the vendor, the vendor sends a rep,
Speaker:the rep does a lunch and learn about the new system or technology used
Speaker:in the service we provide. Everybody eats a sandwich,
Speaker:everybody watches a slide deck,
Speaker:everybody learns the specifications,
Speaker:and we walk out of there saying our team is trained.
Speaker:Trained in what exactly? In the product?
Speaker:Congratulations. Your salesperson.
Speaker:Can now describe a scanner. But the person sitting across from her
Speaker:at 2 o'clock isn't buying a scanner.
Speaker:She's a mother with a 15-year-old who won't smile in photographs anymore.
Speaker:And she's doing math in her head about whether this is possible,
Speaker:and she's scared she's going to look like a bad parent if she says no,
Speaker:and scared she's going to wreck the family budget if she says yes.
Speaker:And your TC is going to answer that.
Speaker:woman by walking her through a feed sheet.
Speaker:That's what we're doing. We call it a fee presentation.
Speaker:And a fee presentation is not a sales conversation.
Speaker:A fee presentation is a recital.
Speaker:It's a person reciting numbers at another person and then waiting
Speaker:to see what happens. See how they react.
Speaker:And when it doesn't work, we blame the girl in the room.
Speaker:Which is just like Beyond to me.
Speaker:It really is. We would never do this anywhere else in the business.
Speaker:Nobody has a brand new clinical assistant,
Speaker:a handpiece. And for those outside of dentistry.
Speaker:I'm referring to a drill and says,
Speaker:you seem bright, figure it out.
Speaker:Never. There's training, there's certification,
Speaker:there's supervision, there's someone watching.
Speaker:And I get it. That's patient care.
Speaker:There are laws, and we have to protect the patient,
Speaker:but still, the sales position is critical to your revenue.
Speaker:And what do we do? She's bubbly.
Speaker:She'll be fine. That's what we say.
Speaker:So let's define the thing because I think a lot of founders genuinely
Speaker:do not know what they're supposed to be training,
Speaker:which is why they go shopping for a course.
Speaker:A course is a way of outsourcing a definition you don't have.
Speaker:Here's what a truly trained salesperson can actually do.
Speaker:And I want you to notice how little of this has anything to do with your product
Speaker:or service. She can listen, really listen.
Speaker:Not nod and wait, not I hear.
Speaker:You and let me tell you about our financing.
Speaker:I mean she can sit in silence long enough for the person across from her
Speaker:to say the second thing. because the first thing people say is almost never
Speaker:the real thing. The first thing is,
Speaker:how much is it?
Speaker:But the second thing, the thing that comes out 90 seconds later if nobody feels
Speaker:the air, is my sister had this done and it was a nightmare.
Speaker:Or I don't want to bring this to my husband and get told no again.
Speaker:Or I have some time off right now before I start a job in January.
Speaker:That's the sale. And you will never hear it if your person has been trained
Speaker:to just talk.
Speaker:A trained salesperson also understands what the person in front of them
Speaker:is actually buying. This is the one I went the deepest on with my own team,
Speaker:and I'll tell you about that in a minute.
Speaker:Because people don't buy the thing you're selling.
Speaker:They buy who they get to be. They buy the transformation.
Speaker:Two women can sit in the same chair,
Speaker:hear the same plan, get the same fee,
Speaker:and one of them is buying certainty and the other one is buying significance.
Speaker:Significance, and if you talk to both of them the same way,
Speaker:you will close one and lose one and never understand why.
Speaker:Also, a truly trained salesperson can sell on value,
Speaker:not on price, which means she can articulate why this is worth what
Speaker:it costs in terms the buyer already cares about before the number ever enters
Speaker:the room.
Speaker:If the number arrives before the value does,
Speaker:you're not selling anymore. You're negotiating and you will lose because
Speaker:you brought a feachy to a knife fight.
Speaker:So what else? She can also reframe an objection instead of absorbing it.
Speaker:An objection is not a rejection queen.
Speaker:An objection is a request for more information delivered in a defensive tone.
Speaker:And a trained salesperson, she knows how to hear that.
Speaker:It's too expensive, it's not a fact.
Speaker:It's a sentence that means one of about four different things,
Speaker:and a trained person knows how to find out which one without getting flustered
Speaker:and without getting pushy.
Speaker:Most untrained people do one of two things with an objection.
Speaker:They either cave or they push,
Speaker:but both of these lose.
Speaker:A trained salesperson can also build trust fast.
Speaker:Trust is not a personality trait,
Speaker:which is the whole reason the bubbly hire fails.
Speaker:Bubbly gets you liked. Liked is not the same as trusted.
Speaker:Trust is what makes people hand you their money and put their child's smile,
Speaker:their skin, their home, or their business in your hands.
Speaker:And this is the one that surprises people.
Speaker:A trained salesperson knows how to be interesting,
Speaker:not entertaining, interesting.
Speaker:She has something to say, a perspective,
Speaker:a way of framing the situation the buyer hasn't heard before.
Speaker:Because people don't buy from people who agree with everything they say.
Speaker:They buy from people who tell them something true they hadn't considered.
Speaker:Now look at that list. Listening,
Speaker:human motivation, value articulation,
Speaker:object reframing, trust.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Every single one of those is a learnable skill,
Speaker:not a vibe, a skill. And here's the part that should light you
Speaker:up rather than depress you. Every one of those on its own meaningfully moves your
Speaker:close rate. Not by a rounding error,
Speaker:meaningfully. You have a person in a room having the most valuable conversation
Speaker:in your entire company, and she is doing it with maybe one of those six skills,
Speaker:which she happens to have naturally because nobody gave her the other five.
Speaker:Now let me get back to my story because this is where it gets interesting
Speaker:and where I think a lot of you are going to see yourselves.
Speaker:later when I truly took a look.
Speaker:I realized my reception lady turned treatment coordinator wasn't that great
Speaker:at converting. But I didn't see it at first because I was just looking
Speaker:at her numbers on paper and not evaluating the whole picture.
Speaker:On paper, her conversion numbers were decent,
Speaker:and the number of starts, which in orthodontics is the number of new paying clients,
Speaker:went up after she moved into that role.
Speaker:And because of that, I decided that it was all her.
Speaker:She was the entire reason my business was turning around.
Speaker:But here's what I overlooked. At that exact same moment,
Speaker:I was tearing my business apart and rebuilding it.
Speaker:I had put in an entirely new patient process,
Speaker:how people were greeted, what happened in what order,
Speaker:what we said, how the exam ran,
Speaker:how the handoff happened, all of it brand new.
Speaker:And I had started advertising differently as well,
Speaker:with fee transparency and with real calls to action,
Speaker:which meant the people walking through my door were arriving warmer,
Speaker:better informed, and much further along in their
Speaker:decision than anybody who had walked in the year before.
Speaker:So of course conversion went up.
Speaker:She had better qualified leads and a better offer.
Speaker:But I looked at my sales numbers and I thought,
Speaker:wow, she's good. And this happens constantly in my industry,
Speaker:and I suspect in yours. We get a salesperson who is halfway decent,
Speaker:and because she sits in such a critical seat,
Speaker:we hand her the credit for everything.
Speaker:And we overlook every single thing the owner is doing that is making her look good.
Speaker:Better lead quality, a better process,
Speaker:a clearer offer, cleaner pricing.
Speaker:Now I want to be fair here, because great salespeople absolutely exist.
Speaker:And I hired several of them later and they were worth every dollar I paid them.
Speaker:but at that moment because my business was doing so badly before and suddenly
Speaker:I had paying clients, I decided my patience came from some magical talent
Speaker:she possessed.
Speaker:And therefore I didn't train her.
Speaker:Why would I? She was clearly gifted,
Speaker:right? That my queen's is called attribution error.
Speaker:And it has a real cost. What's the cost,
Speaker:you say? Well, the cost is this.
Speaker:There is no compounding.
Speaker:Okay, I know, I know. You're probably like,
Speaker:what is Anna talking about now?
Speaker:But stay with me. Because here's what I mean.
Speaker:I had just built genuinely good systems that were improving my lead conversion
Speaker:and creating not just more consultations.
Speaker:It was creating better qualified consultations.
Speaker:And ladies, not all consultations are the same,
Speaker:but I digress. So here I am making all these meaningful changes
Speaker:in the marketing operations. And now I also had this salesperson in
Speaker:the chair that had potential. She did.
Speaker:If I had trained her properly,
Speaker:those two things.
Speaker:My new systems and her sales training would have multiplied each other.
Speaker:times a trained salesperson is a completely different business than good
Speaker:systems times a confident woman winging it.
Speaker:I had one of the two ingredients.
Speaker:I had the systems, but I attributed the improvements to the ingredient
Speaker:I didn't have, which is a properly trained salesperson.
Speaker:Seriously, I can't make this up.
Speaker:And here's what it looked like on the ground,
Speaker:because I want you to see the mechanism,
Speaker:what really happened, and not just give you theory.
Speaker:She actually struggled to sell.
Speaker:Now, she would not have described it that way,
Speaker:and neither would have I at the time.
Speaker:but that's what was happening.
Speaker:And you're gonna wanna understand this part because it explains how
Speaker:a woman who struggles to sell still has decent or even good conversion numbers
Speaker:on paper. And some of you have this person in your business.
Speaker:I know it. So here's what would happen.
Speaker:So this lady would come find me in the clinic,
Speaker:and I don't mean she send me a message and wait patiently.
Speaker:I mean she would walk into the clinic and pull me away from a patient.
Speaker:Here I am, chair side. I have a child in the chair.
Speaker:And she would tell me: if we don't give this family a discount,
Speaker:or if we don't accept this ridiculously low down payment,
Speaker:or if we don't extend the payment plan by 700 months,
Speaker:we are going to lose the sale.
Speaker:And what did I do? I would say yes almost every single time.
Speaker:Because I was early and I was frightened,
Speaker:and because we're gonna lose a sale,
Speaker:were the six most terrifying words in the English language to me at that point
Speaker:in my life. And because let's tell the whole truth.
Speaker:I had not developed my leadership skills yet.
Speaker:I did not know how to hold a term.
Speaker:I didn't know how to say no, that's our policy.
Speaker:Go back in there and have a better conversation and mean it
Speaker:and then actually support her through it.
Speaker:So I let her break my payment terms.
Speaker:I let her discount. I let her write payment plans that were outside
Speaker:our rules and genuinely bad for the business.
Speaker:Now watch what that does because it is ugly and it is completely invisible
Speaker:on a dashboard.
Speaker:her conversion rate went up.
Speaker:Obviously it did. You can close anything if you're allowed to give it away.
Speaker:Which meant her numbers looked strong,
Speaker:which gave her ammunition to come ask me for a raise.
Speaker:Meanwhile, my practice was collecting less money per case,
Speaker:my receivables were stretched out over an eternity,
Speaker:and my revenue became genuinely unstable.
Speaker:Not because I didn't have patience,
Speaker:but because the money was arriving in dribbles on a timeline long enough
Speaker:to reach the next ice age. So I
Speaker:I
Speaker:was paying more for a person whose performance was quietly costing
Speaker:me the exact thing I was paying her to produce.
Speaker:And I cannot tell you how common this is.
Speaker:It is everywhere.
Speaker:Now, I have to tell you the last part of my TC story because it took
Speaker:me the longest to understand. Remember the third qualification on my list?
Speaker:She knew everyone.
Speaker:At the time I thought that was the best thing about her.
Speaker:In the local community-based business,
Speaker:a person who knows everyone sounds like a gift.
Speaker:And she used it because she didn't have real sales training.
Speaker:Her network was the only thing she had.
Speaker:So she leaned on it hard. She even referred people to us.
Speaker:And I know I'm sounding ungrateful,
Speaker:but I am not. I treated that lady really nicely,
Speaker:actually, and I was genuinely grateful for her referrals.
Speaker:But here's the problem. The everyone she knew was not my ideal client.
Speaker:At that stage, I was only beginning to see who my practice was actually for.
Speaker:That picture was still forming,
Speaker:and the right families were just starting to find me,
Speaker:and she was pouring a completely different group of people into my schedule.
Speaker:Not bad people, just not my people.
Speaker:Wrong fit, wrong expectations,
Speaker:wrong relationship to the way we worked,
Speaker:and it created exactly what you'd expect friction with my team
Speaker:and operational chaos in an office that was already fresh.
Speaker:So sit with that for a second because this is the whole point.
Speaker:Even if I had sent her to the best sales training in the country,
Speaker:she still would have been bringing me the wrong people.
Speaker:Sales training teaches a person how to have the conversation.
Speaker:It does not tell her who she's supposed to be having it with.
Speaker:She needed something I hadn't built yet,
Speaker:and I couldn't hand it to her because it did not exist.
Speaker:So let's go there because this is where it gets uncomfortable.
Speaker:There is a floor underneath all of this sales training.
Speaker:And if the floor isn't there, you can send that woman to every sales course
Speaker:on the internet and she will come back and close exactly as much as she did before,
Speaker:and you'll decide sales training doesn't work.
Speaker:The floor is this.
Speaker:She has to be able to say what you actually do,
Speaker:who you actually do it for, and how you do it differently.
Speaker:That's it. Three things. What,
Speaker:who, and how. And I will tell you from my own life that most owners cannot
Speaker:do this. I couldn't do it for years.
Speaker:If you asked me what I did, I said I'm an orthodontist.
Speaker:Which is a job title, not a value proposition.
Speaker:If that's the best the owner can do,
Speaker:what on God's earth is the person in the consultation room supposed to say?
Speaker:She's gonna say we do braces and visaline and we have payment plans,
Speaker:and now you're a commodity. And when you're a commodity,
Speaker:the only remaining question is price,
Speaker:And the buyer will absolutely go find out if somebody down the street does braces
Speaker:for less or does your service for less,
Speaker:whatever you do. of course she will.
Speaker:You gave her nothing else to compare.
Speaker:When I finally sat down and did this work properly,
Speaker:my answer changed completely.
Speaker:What we did. We gave people a confident,
Speaker:healthier smile. Who we did it for?
Speaker:Hardworking families, real families on real budgets,
Speaker:not a luxury clientele. How? Affordably,
Speaker:without ever making anybody feel small about the money,
Speaker:and an office that was welcoming and culturally respectful,
Speaker:and where you'd be spoken to in your own language and nobody would make your mother
Speaker:feel stupid.
Speaker:that's a value proposition. And the moment I could say it,
Speaker:my salesperson could say it. And the moment she could say it,
Speaker:she wasn't selling braces anymore.
Speaker:She was selling something the office down the street couldn't match,
Speaker:no matter what they charged.
Speaker:So here's what I actually did with my TCs,
Speaker:my salespeople. And I want to be specific because I think people imagine training
Speaker:is an event and it is not, it is a habit.
Speaker:I'm going to say this one more time.
Speaker:Training is not an event.
Speaker:It is a habit, a continuous habit.
Speaker:I trained them continuously, not once,
Speaker:not at onboarding, continuously for years.
Speaker:I taught them human needs, the framework about what actually drives people
Speaker:underneath their stated reasons,
Speaker:certainty, variety, significance,
Speaker:connection, growth, contribution.
Speaker:and once my salesperson understood that,
Speaker:she could hear a mother say, I just want to make sure this is the right decision,
Speaker:and know she was talking to certainty.
Speaker:And she could hear a father say,
Speaker:We want the best for her, and know she was talking to significance.
Speaker:And she could meet each of them where they actually lived instead
Speaker:of reading them both the same script.
Speaker:I read books on influence and persuasion and I sat down and turned them into
Speaker:PowerPoint presentations for my team,
Speaker:myself, because there wasn't a course that taught what I wanted taught,
Speaker:so I built it. God, I wish Chat GBT existed back then.
Speaker:I hunted down online courses when I found good ones and I put
Speaker:my people through them. And I made sure over and over,
Speaker:until they could say it in their sleep,
Speaker:that they understood what we did,
Speaker:who we did it for, and how.
Speaker:Was that a lot? Maybe it was a lot.
Speaker:But let me put it in perspective because I want you to feel the math.
Speaker:That person is the difference between a full schedule and an empty one.
Speaker:Your salesperson is the last human being standing between all
Speaker:of your marketing spend and your actual bank account.
Speaker:You will spend real money every single month getting people to raise their hand,
Speaker:ads, referrals, community events,
Speaker:all of it. And then you will hand every one of those hard-won humans
Speaker:to somebody you trained for four hours in 2019.
Speaker:Marketing is the promise, the sales conversation is where she finds
Speaker:out whether you actually meant it.
Speaker:And if the person having that conversation was never trained,
Speaker:you are breaking your promise at the exact moment it counts.
Speaker:Now.
Speaker:I want to hand you something structural because everything I've said so
Speaker:far could be heard as train her harder and that's not quite it.
Speaker:Here's a pattern I see constantly.
Speaker:We treat a salesperson like she's supposed to be uniformly excellent
Speaker:at every part of selling. She should be great at the first contact.
Speaker:She should be great at the consultation.
Speaker:She should be great at following up with the people who said,
Speaker:Let me think about it. She should be great at reactivating people
Speaker:who disappeared 18 months ago.
Speaker:Ago, she should be great at presenting the bigger,
Speaker:more comprehensive option instead of the minimum.
Speaker:She should be great at every one of these things with every kind of person
Speaker:on every kind of day. That's not quite how it works.
Speaker:Nobody is uniformly great at anything.
Speaker:You're not. I'm certainly not.
Speaker:So do this instead. And this is generally one of the highest return things
Speaker:you can do in your business this quarter,
Speaker:and it costs you nothing but attention.
Speaker:Break the sales job into its actual parts.
Speaker:In my world it was something like the first phone call,
Speaker:the consultation itself, the same day close,
Speaker:the follow-up on undecided, and the reactivation of old leads.
Speaker:Yours will be different, name yours.
Speaker:Then look at your people, even if you only have two,
Speaker:and find out who is actually stronger at what,
Speaker:not who you think is stronger,
Speaker:look.
Speaker:If one of them is meaningfully better at follow-up,
Speaker:go find out precisely what she does differently.
Speaker:And I mean sit with her, listen to her calls,
Speaker:ask her to walk you through what she's thinking because she probably cannot tell
Speaker:you what she does. High performers are usually the worst at explaining themselves.
Speaker:They'll say something useless like,
Speaker:I just care about people. No, you do something specific and it works
Speaker:and you don't know what it is,
Speaker:let's go find out. And you take that thing and you teach it to your other sales.
Speaker:People. And if somebody is not 20% better but ten times better at one piece of it,
Speaker:you don't spread her thin. You make her the specialist.
Speaker:Let her own that piece. She'll be happier and you'll make more money,
Speaker:which is my favorite kind of arrangement.
Speaker:Now
Speaker:One more thing here and I need you to hear it because it's the part
Speaker:I care about most. When the numbers are bad,
Speaker:the story in the owner's head is always about the person.
Speaker:She's not hungry enough, she doesn't have the personality for it,
Speaker:she's too soft, I need somebody with more drive.
Speaker:Maybe. Occasionally that's true and you do need to make a change.
Speaker:But most of the time, that woman was handed five different jobs,
Speaker:trained in none of them, given no definition of what she was actually selling,
Speaker:no framework for understanding the human across from her,
Speaker:no language for value, no method for handling a no,
Speaker:and then evaluated on a number she was never equipped to move.
Speaker:And she's been going home at night,
Speaker:feeling like a failure,
Speaker:Wondering what's wrong with her.
Speaker:Nothing's wrong with her. She's the design showing up in a person.
Speaker:I'm not telling you to lower your standards.
Speaker:I'm telling you to look at what you built before you look at who's standing inside
Speaker:of it.
Speaker:Okay, let's go all the way down to the bottom of this because there's
Speaker:a reason the sales seat is the most underbuilt seat in almost every founder-led
Speaker:business. And it's not laziness and it's not cheapness.
Speaker:It's that you were good at it.
Speaker:You were the best salesperson your business ever had.
Speaker:And you still are. And I don't mean that as a compliment.
Speaker:I mean that as a diagnosis.
Speaker:Because when the owner is the best closer,
Speaker:something very specific happens.
Speaker:The hard cases get routed to her.
Speaker:The big cases get routed to her.
Speaker:The hesitant family says, Can I talk to the doctor or can I talk to the owner again?
Speaker:And the owner comes in and the owner closes it and everybody exhales.
Speaker:Whew. And that feels like leadership.
Speaker:It feels like being helpful. It feels like taking care of your business.
Speaker:And seriously, it doesn't just happen with ladies.
Speaker:I actually had a friend one time in orthodontist and he told me that
Speaker:he spends extra time at his consultations,
Speaker:meaning he's making his other patients wait that are in the clinic.
Speaker:He spends extra time at his consultations because he knows that
Speaker:he is the best at selling. He knows that his TC can't sell like him.
Speaker:So that's why he spends extra time in there.
Speaker:and that's why he can't have too many consultations on his schedule in a given day.
Speaker:And so you end up with a business where the close rate isn't a measurement
Speaker:of your sales process. It's a measurement of your presence.
Speaker:It's a measure of how many times you were pulled into the sales conversation
Speaker:and how much energy you had left when you got pulled into the room.
Speaker:Which means the day you stop rescuing the sale,
Speaker:your conversion drops. And now you can't sell this thing because a buyer looking
Speaker:at your business is asking exactly one question.
Speaker:And the question is.
Speaker:Does this run without her?
Speaker:And if your revenue conversion lives in your personality,
Speaker:the honest answer is no. And everybody at the table knows it.
Speaker:This is the operator trap wearing its best outfit.
Speaker:It looks like excellence. It feels like being needed.
Speaker:It's actually a ceiling with your name on it.
Speaker:Think of my friend. Like he can only have so many consultations in
Speaker:a day because he's truly the salesperson and his TC is doing nothing
Speaker:but presenting the fees.
Speaker:and here's the reframe I want to leave with you before we land.
Speaker:Your job is not to be the best salesperson in your company.
Speaker:Your job is to be the person who makes salespeople.
Speaker:Those are completely different jobs.
Speaker:The first one is a seat, the second one is an asset.
Speaker:The first one leaves when you leave.
Speaker:The second one is
Speaker:Still there in five years, still working,
Speaker:still worth something, still holding the standard,
Speaker:whether you're in the building or on the beach with your phone off.
Speaker:So let me bring this home. Sales training is not a course you buy her,
Speaker:it is a system you own. And a system means a definition of what
Speaker:you sell and who you sell it to that everyone can say out loud in the same words.
Speaker:A named set of skills, not a vibe,
Speaker:A cadence, actual repeated practice,
Speaker:not a sandwich and a slide deck once a year.
Speaker:Someone listening to the real conversations and a standard that holds when you're
Speaker:not standing there. If that sounds like a lot of work,
Speaker:I'll be honest with you. It is.
Speaker:It was for me. But I want you to weigh it against the alternative you're currently
Speaker:financing, which is spending real money to fill a room with people who
Speaker:are ready to buy and then handing them to someone you never taught
Speaker:how to receive them.
Speaker:And I want to say one more thing directly to you because I know some
Speaker:of you are hearing this and quietly feeling terrible about a person
Speaker:you hired two years ago who never worked out.
Speaker:Queen, let it go. You didn't know.
Speaker:Nobody teaches this. There's no chapter in any professional program anywhere that
Speaker:says, by the way, you're about to own the revenue function of a small business,
Speaker:and the person you put in that chair will decide whether it lives.
Speaker:You were doing what everyone around you was doing,
Speaker:using the criteria everyone around you was using.
Speaker:But you know now, and knowing changes what happens next.
Speaker:You get to go build the thing you never built.
Speaker:You get to define what you actually do,
Speaker:who you actually do it for, and how.
Speaker:You get to teach it on purpose,
Speaker:repeatedly, like it's the most important asset in your company because it is.
Speaker:And you get to watch someone become excellent in front of you,
Speaker:which I will tell you from experience is one of the genuinely great feelings
Speaker:of owning a business. That's not being nice,
Speaker:that's being a CEO.
Speaker:Your business will only ever sell as well as you have taught it to.
Speaker:So teach it.
Speaker:Thanks for tuning in, Queen.
Speaker:I hope today's episode gave you the clarity,
Speaker:courage, or conviction you needed to stop building your business
Speaker:by accident and start leading it by design.
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Speaker:Until next time, keep showing up,
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Speaker:you were born to reign.