In this powerful episode, host Kristin Crockett welcomes Jamie Roth, intuitive healer and founder of Intuitive Encounters. Together, they explore the role of intuition in personal growth, empowerment, and transformation. Jamie shares her belief that every woman possesses innate intuitive gifts—clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, and Clair cognizance—that are often suppressed by societal conditioning. Through open dialogue, Kristin and Jamie highlight how embracing these gifts can lead to greater confidence, clarity, and alignment.

The episode also introduces Jamie’s upcoming Freedom Era Summit, a virtual gathering designed to support women navigating identity shifts and life transitions. With diverse speakers and healing practices, the summit provides a safe space to explore authenticity, empowerment, and connection.

Key Takeaways

1. Intuition is innate – Every woman holds intuitive abilities, but they must be nurtured to flourish.
2. Community heals – Shared experiences, such as somatic movement, foster deep connection and belonging.
3. Breaking free from conditioning – Recognizing and releasing societal constraints opens the door to authentic living.
4. The Four Clairs – Understanding clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, and Clair cognizance can deepen self-awareness and trust in inner guidance.
5. Empowerment through practice – Regularly engaging with intuition strengthens decision-making and builds courage for life transitions.

Freedom Era Summit Description

The Freedom Era Summit is a transformative virtual gathering created to empower women as they navigate life’s transitions and redefine their identities. Through inspiring speakers, healing modalities, and community connection, the summit encourages women to shed old limitations, embrace their intuitive power, and step boldly into authenticity. This collaborative event is a celebration of growth, healing, and the freedom to create a life aligned with one’s true self.

About Jamie:

Jamie Roth is intuitive healer, guide, and transformational mentor with over 23 years of experience supporting women on their journeys of emotional healing, identity reclamation, and spiritual awakening. As the founder of Intuitive Encounters, she creates powerful spaces—both locally and virtually—for people to reconnect with their inner truth, body wisdom, and authentic expression.

Jamie is the author of The General Manager of Your Universe, a transformative empowerment book, and has hosted her own international radio show, and Mind-Body-Spirit expos. She continues to create tools that inspire self-discovery —most recently, a diverse and inclusive oracle deck designed to reflect holistic tools for mind-Body-spirit wellness.

Find her at www.IntuitiveEncounters.com

Welcome to the courageous destiny build a business and life you love podcast.

I am your host, Kristen Crockett, and I am so happy and elated to have Jamie Roth on my show today.

Jamie is an intuitive healer.

I know that these get dated, but what I think is so very cool is that I am sure there's going to be more and it'll be there for anybody to download.

So we are going to go ahead and have links to all of these things in the show notes.

Jamie's also the author of the general manager of the your universe and she has hosted her own international radio show and been in several mind body expos in which.

That's where I met you, Jamie.

Welcome to my show.

Thank you.

I'm so glad to be here.

Yes.

And.

And now the real introductions.

I remember meeting Jamie.

So I was at the Goddess Elevated, what do we call it?

Expo Elevated Expo.

Yes.

Yes.

It was an event.

It was an expo as beautiful as at the Stand Mansion in Chicago.

And Jamie led us.

Was it a semantic.

I called it goddess dancing.

Yes.

I mean, it was a somatic movement practice called Goddess Flow.

It was so awesome.

You guys.

You guys have to find her.

It was just really great.

And I filed her down.

I actually chased her down the stairs to meet her.

That was wonderful.

What stands out for me about that was, you know, Goddess encompasses a mind, body, spirit approach, as everything I do does.

But there was a part, if you remember singing, and there was probably about a hundred women in the room, if not a little bit more.

And I teach this class on a smaller scale locally.

And it's always a part when you get to the singing part, which is about opening your throat, opening your throat chakra.

And women in particular are typically not comfortable.

That's one of the areas we kind of close down and keep ourselves small.

And so I was really unsure how many people in this room of goddesses would actually sing.

And so it was after we had already moved, we had danced, we had gotten a little sweaty, we had twerked.

Like, we had had fun.

And I said to everyone, okay, so Cyndi Lauper, Time After Time came on.

That was the song.

And I took some.

I was out of breath, but I was like, okay, if you all don't feel nervous about singing out loud, I'm gonna have them turn the music way up.

I'm gonna sing way Loud.

I'm not saying that's a good thing or not, but I'm gonna do that.

So just when you find a word, catch in.

And I took a big breath.

The music had already started, the words had already started.

And before I even got any words out, all of a sudden, there was a quarter chorus of a hundred women singing at me.

And the energy.

I have chills right now.

The energy almost bowled me over.

It was magic being the one standing on that stage and having that energy come at you where there was no shame in it.

There was.

And the videographer that day sent me some clips.

And, like, women are crying because that's what we do, express ourselves.

Oh, it was such a moment.

How was it for you?

Do you remember this?

Oh, my gosh.

I did.

Well, I chased you down the stairs.

Right, right, right, right, right, right, right.

Yeah.

It was wonderful for me.

It was such a great release, and I love to dance.

So when I was, you know, even from a little.

I was actually a tap dancer.

So, like, from.

Even from very, very young, I was always tap dancing all over the place growing up.

And I love dance, and I loved lyrical dance, and I loved all of it.

Like, if it was dance, I loved it.

And it hasn't been something that has necessarily followed me as a habit or something I do all the time in my adult life.

Right.

And that particular moment really awakened that part of me.

I'm like, oh, I can dance for life.

I don't have to be a dancer.

Yes.

In your car.

I jam out in my car.

Like, yeah, those people that pull up next to in there, or I can see them watching me in the rearview mirror when they realize, like, I get after it.

Like, I'm not a little bit, like, do too, do.

I'm, like, jamming out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Follow us.

I had women come up to me and say, I never dance, and I definitely don't dance in front of people, but I was dancing.

What did you do?

How did you make that happen?

Or.

I never sing.

I would never sing in public, but I was just, like, belting it out.

What did you do?

How did you make this happen?

It's like.

It's just synergy, you know, it's just the energy of women and sacred, supportive spaces coming together.

Yeah.

It was.

It was really quite something.

And when you contacted me off of a clip that I did for.

For the grateful connections, I was so honored to become a part of the freedom era.

Yes.

And the summit, that's where you shown, like, I said, flip.

And I was Like, I just felt your energy and your presence with your topic, which was gratitude and.

And it was a clip.

I didn't even see the presentation.

It was like maybe 30 seconds, probably most.

And I just.

It made me feel alive.

And I was like, that.

I need that.

That's for the Freedom Era Summit.

Women need that magic and that medicine at the Freedom Era Summit, because that's like the.

One of the ultimate purposes of it is to come alive.

And so I knew if I came alive from you, that more people needed to hear you so they could come alive as well.

Oh, that's awesome.

That's awesome.

So I want to ask you.

You're creating a summit.

You know, this isn't something that people do every day.

This is the build a business and life you love podcast.

And I love to really showcase that there are people out there that aren't working necessarily a 9 to 5.

They're in, you know, not that there's anything wrong with that, but there's other options.

There are other options.

And you've created this business, you know, intuitive encounters and now the Freedom Summit.

Can you tell me what had you create the Freedom Summit and why the Freedom Summit?

What's the overall intention of the summit?

So, gosh, there's so many things.

So, first of all, anything I create with my business, and I think this is probably true for any entrepreneur, is.

It's inspired, at least for me.

I really don't do typical marketing things and schemes and empty promises.

I'm not corporate at all.

I'm an intuitive.

An intuitive healer.

So anything I do is very inspired.

And I am just very, very passionate about women coming together in support of one another and rising into our freedom.

The freedom of releasing societal stigma chains, any type of religious dogma or trauma or spiritual dogma or trauma, because a lot of people have that, a lot of women have that.

Any generational ties that are not meant to be carried forward in our lives anymore.

And so as women, when we peel those away, that's great.

That's sort of one step in the healing process to becoming free.

But then you're exposed and vulnerable, and it's like, well, who am I and what are the next steps to healing?

And.

And while I have many steps and I lead women, thousands of women around the world and in many forms of healing and steps, I think collaboration is where it's at.

I think collaboration of women joining together because we all have a magic and we all have a medicine, and not everybody is necessarily for me, and I'm not necessarily for Everyone and someone might be for you.

That's not for me.

Or maybe they get something from me, but they also get something from you.

Like the.

A summit is true collaboration at its finest.

And so it took me the, the.

I just, I knew, especially right now, that I think women are trying to step into their freedom era.

It's actually the freedom era summit and the freedom era of being free to be who they are in their voice, in their body.

So seeing their body of possibilities instead of seeing it through the lens of shame.

Or I should or shouldn't look this way.

I should or shouldn't be a certain size.

I should or shouldn't have age with wrinkles.

I should, you know, it's about tapping into their intuition.

Like, I do see that women are having more and more of what I call spiritual awakening, and they're tapping as their intuitive sense, but they don't know how to guide it or use it.

Are you seeing that as well?

I am seeing that.

I mean, I'm experiencing that.

Like, I've always been very intuitive, but particularly lately.

I mean, I see visions, I see, see, I know exactly what's meant for me.

I know what's not meant for me.

Not to say I always follow it.

But we still have free will.

Yeah, but, but it's.

I, I see it quite a bit and I.

How do you, how do you work with someone with their intuition?

Can you give me some examples of, of, of, like some benefits of somebody really tuning into their intuition and working with you?

Yeah, so I definitely teach developing intuition workshops.

And they're really fun and playful, which is, I know something you love.

And by the way, tap dancing totally fits you.

I love that I could just see you tapping around as a kid.

Like, that's so perfect for Kristen everywhere.

I believe that everybody's intuitive and it's a sixth sense.

And I think that what happens is we're born into families and ideologies, typically religious, that tell us it's not okay or it's sinful or, no, it's not for everyone.

It's only for profits, profits and things like that.

And so we, I think we're born wide open with intuition.

I think you can look at any child.

I trust children more than I trust most adults, quite frankly.

If they have some kind of feeling towards somebody or a situation or a place, I trust that.

But if we're not guided to maintain that, that volume gets turned down or even just flat out turned off or muted.

And so I like to help women turn the volume back up.

So they can start to hear it.

So there's lots of practices that we can do that.

There's the four Claire's.

It's called clairsentience, clairvoyance, clairaudience and claircognizance.

And they all mean clear something.

So Claire, clairvoyance is clear seeing.

So for example, that's.

That's tends to be people who are very visual in their experiences.

Let me say these out and then I'll be.

I want to.

I want to ask you which one you think you might really align with.

Because most people tend to sort of land in one or two most strongly, even though we have access to all of them.

So clairvoyance has people who might have like mental imagery always running through their mind.

It could even also just be like still shots or movies or when you close your eyes, you see colors.

You can see auras on people.

You can see spirit entities, like see them sort of in shape and form.

Claire cognizance, which is clear knowing.

And I think most people tend to, when they first learn about the Claire's kind of align with this.

But it's just knowing like you know, without knowing how or why.

So for example, you're.

You get your buzz on your phone that tells you you have, you know, a text or whatever, and before even looking at it, you know exactly who it is, who's, you know, texting or calling or your partner or your spouse is going to head out for the day.

And you know, they always drive the same way to work.

They always stop at the same gas station or coffee shop, what have you.

And you just had this like weird knowing one day, like, please don't go that way or can you wait 10 minutes and you don't know why and you feel weird asking for that, but you do.

Your partner delays and then lo and behold, you find out there was like an accident at that intersection.

But you don't have any idea.

You just had this knowing don't go yet.

Then there's clairsentience, which is clear feeling.

And that's people who tend to be empathic who feel things in their body of others as if it's their own.

I'm strongly empathic.

One of the gifts that I have of intuitive counseling is someone can share a life experience that I really have never ever even come close to experience experiencing it, but I can feel how it made them feel in their body.

And then I'm able to really like identify with it.

And then Claire, Claire.

Audience is clear hearing.

So that's people instead of the mental imagery.

This is me as well.

It's like a running dialogue in your mind.

So not a running movie, but a running, like, almost like you're being spoken to.

Typically, I find, at least for me, it sounds like my own voice.

It doesn't sound like a voice from beyond.

It's a very nuanced experience.

But also, Claire audience, people are really drawn to music and sort of feelings that come from music and tuning.

You might really be someone who likes sound bath, healing, rain sounds.

You might hear different frequencies.

So of those four and those brief explanations, do you feel like you kind of are pulled to one strongly?

Yeah.

You know, it's funny.

I did.

I would have automatically said, claire, cognizance is a big part of my coaching, because.

Yes, I'll just know something.

Yes, that makes sense, you know, or.

And somebody will be like, we didn't even talk about that.

Yeah, I'm like, I know.

Yeah, I know without knowing.

Yeah, exactly.

So that's a really big part.

Certainly the audience, you know, the.

The.

The audit.

You said clairaudience, Claire audience.

Yeah, because, like, I hear.

Like, I remember there was a time when I was deciding which.

Which crossroads to go in my coaching.

Either I was going to stay with a former mentor or I was going to go, you know, I was going to go and create courageous destiny when we know what I did.

But I heard my dad, and my dad said, lulu.

That's my nickname.

He's like.

He goes, you're for the people.

I just got chills.

And I'm like, oh, boy.

And he goes, stand your ground.

It was the hardest thing I ever did.

I love my mentors so, so very much.

It was the hardest thing I ever did.

But I was guided.

Like, it was like a hard.

You are ready for this path.

You need to go.

Yes.

And.

And so I went.

And then the.

The clairvoyance, that's the vision.

Right.

So I see images, but I don't see.

I don't see spirits.

I don't see auras.

And you don't have to be able to see everything to be.

Yeah.

Like, I'll say that everybody touches in on some of them to some degree.

Yeah.

But the biggest one for sure is the empath in me.

I feel how somebody's feeling, and I can tune into a room before I get there, you know?

Yeah.

I'm like, oh, we gotta.

We got some work to do here.

Or, you know, you know, that's a big, big part of everything.

They're sentience, the feeling walking into a Space and getting the vibe.

Yeah, yeah.

And I, I, I have, I would say those have all been getting very strong the more I step into my authenticity.

So I don't think I totally answered your question.

But you just did.

Like sort of what is, you know.

But look at us coming back in and pulling up together.

So anyways, I feel like if most people do not learn this, like we come in as children with these abilities, but we're taught then really that you have to be able to see it, smell it, hear it.

If it doesn't exist in the physical realm, then it doesn't exist.

Although then and sort of the irony of it, or I don't know how you look at it, but then we're also told to believe a sky God or whatever.

You know what I mean?

So believe in this.

You can't see, but believe in your own gut instinct, your own intuition.

No, no, that's not a thing.

So we volume down, mute it, turn it off.

But with your intuition, you can guide your life better.

Exact.

You, you're literally the example of that.

You're exam.

You're literally the example.

Well, and I say so Courageous Destiny Core to me is French for from the heart.

Rage, destiny.

So when I, when I hear it, that's, that's what I hear.

And what I learned years ago, probably my biggest breakthrough was.

And it sounds really simple, but I'm like, oh, my gosh, I can love somebody and create a boundary at the same time.

You know, I can expect, experience, love.

And that's actually my biggest superpower.

I don't have to shut it off.

And I can, I can really use that in my life to create things.

Whether the world is with me or not, it can all come from me.

I can generate it.

And so, you know, that was a big, big part of me creating courageous desi.

Because I always made fun of my whole life for being sentimental.

I'm the one who cries at Kodak commercials.

Yeah.

And I'm probably dating myself.

Even say Kodak.

I know I do.

It didn't even cross my mind.

But yes, you did.

Just date yourself.

Totally dated myself.

But Kodak Universals and like cereal, coffee.

Do you know the one where the older brother came home from college?

Yeah.

And the little sister came down?

Yes.

Now what?

Oldies but goodies.

Okay.

I could, I could cry at Three's Company.

I'm dating myself again.

I mean, it was like that.

I love.

I cry all the time.

I have no, I have no qualms about crying.

My children are to the point where they, like, take bets on, like, how much is mom going to cry in this certain scenario.

Not just necessarily every day, but, like, my.

My oldest, I just went to college, and, you know, the last couple weeks, they were like, oh, God, here comes on mom's waterworks how many times she.

They would literally take bets on how many times I would cry a day about my son going to go to college.

And it was a lot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's such a big shift.

I know I'm gonna be.

So I have three babies.

I had three.

So I have triplets.

There's 17.

And I've got.

This is our last.

Literal triplets?

Yeah, like, literal triple.

Oh, my gosh.

You're gonna be doing three at once.

Maybe.

Maybe they might not all go, oh, I can't even.

I literally.

And I'm actually very deep in grief.

On and off it comes in.

Oh, I can't.

Not three at one.

We'll just breathe.

Are they graduating this year?

Are they on the younger spectrum or are they just juniors right now?

They're seniors.

Seniors, yeah.

They're gonna be 18 in September.

So we're very respectful right there.

Oh, yes, we're very.

Get closer.

I'll support you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And it's the Freedom Era, right?

Yes.

Well, interesting.

Let's bring that up.

So the.

The sort of theme of the Freedom Era Summit is women in identity shifts, women who are changing roles and, again, deprogramming and liberating themselves.

And this often happens when we go through life changes, such as children leaving the nest, divorce, death, spiritual awakening.

There's so many things.

Maybe you lose a bunch of weight or maybe you gain a bunch of weight.

Like, there's any number of reasons we go through identity shifts, but the big question is, well, who am I and what now?

So the Freedom era summit is 13 speakers in total, your one included.

And we're all bringing some magic and medicine to women to say, you know, here.

And it's.

It's because the mind, body, spirit is my.

That's my stick.

That's my spiel.

I always come from a mind, body, spirit.

It will be a mind day, a body day, and a spirit day.

And the speakers fit into each day, even though really, you know, we can vacillate.

We all have gifts within all of it.

But, like, for example, why don't you tell your topic?

You're going to be in the mind day.

You're going to be in day one.

You're going to be in the mind Day.

Why don't you Share your topic, because it's awesome.

Sure.

My, my topic is the gratitude code.

How to reprogram your mind to live your courageous destiny.

So, and that is about, you know, that to me, you need to become your courageous destiny.

It.

If you, if there's things in life, you know, courageous destiny, simply put, is everything that you want in your life.

You know, I like to say in your business and in your life, because I think if you can really tune in to your true passions and build a business around it, you can really build an amazing life because you're.

It's like your work is healing, too.

So your work is fulfilling.

Your work is healing.

It opens up your heart, and then everything else just feels good, you know?

So I'm going to be talking about how to reprogram to live your courageous destiny.

Like, how do I.

How do I.

How do I bring these things that I want in life into the world?

How do I be them?

How do I become them?

And it really does start first with programming the mind and knowing and being able to discern the things in life that move us forward toward that and what moves us away from it.

You know, for example, I've coached, you know, several women to become entrepreneurs or put up their own businesses.

Well, the first thing we have to get by is, well, I need, you know, I need to get paid.

And I'm like, I know, right, right.

You need, you do need to get paid, but you don't need somebody else to pay you.

I mean, a client or what have you.

But you don't need an entity like corporate America to pay you if you don't want to.

There's, there's actions that you could do, but you need to program your mind to be able to accept that and to accept all the habits of the mind that have us thinking one way.

Right.

But it won't equate necessarily to being a successful entrepreneur or owning our own business unless we, I like to say, take a look at the junk in the trunk.

Let's take a look at the junk in the trunk so that we can open up your heart and get where you want to go.

So.

And it's perfect for the Freedom Error summit again with women shifting identity roles and labels and kind of figuring out who they are.

They, we, those, we as those women, those women need courageous, courageous destiny.

We need gratitude.

We need courage.

So it's such a helpful tool, and I think it's more than two.

I think it's a lifestyle, personally, and.

I'm sure, I agree that's why I'm like.

It was.

It was really great.

You know, it is the gratitude code, because if you can take that gratitude and program it into your mindset to become a default when something happens in your life, you're not going into a state of anger and upset.

And when you get into those states, it's hard to see what to do next.

You can't be cool, calm, and collected and think of a strategy and a solution when you're triggered.

Or you can, but, I mean, it's harder.

Challenging, for sure.

But if you can program in gratitude, you don't get necessarily into that other state, that triggered state.

Now you can be more intentional.

Now you can be able to be more strategic with your reaction.

Yes.

So I'm.

I'm a recovering fly off the handler.

Cool.

I love that you.

I. I've never heard anyone say that, but there's.

I'm sure there's so many people that have had to change from that perspective.

Yeah.

Like, I would.

I would get being a reactionary instead of, you know, instead of, you know, responding, always reacting.

Well, part of my natural gifts, that being an empath, had me be also very sensitive and take things personally very easily.

And what gratitude had me do was by reprogramming and infusing gratitude into my reactions, like, actually inputting that code into my reactions.

It helped me.

Oh, wait, it's not about you.

Like, even just that one pause, they're like, they're not hurting you.

That has nothing to do with you.

Yes.

The way people react and the way they perceive life doesn't have to do with me.

And so I don't have to take it personally anymore.

And the more I practiced it, the less I took things personal personally and the more I could use being an empath to my advantage instead of having it be something that at times could sabotage some of my results.

Right.

Because it would take me out into places of despair, and I called it the rabbit hole of doom.

And I would get all your little.

Sayings, all your little phrases.

Oh, my gosh, I have a million of them.

They call.

Sure, you should write a dictionary of them.

But, yeah, it's.

It's.

It's definitely.

It's definitely the way.

And the primary way that I have.

I have recoded my brain.

And on that note, since this is really a courageous destiny business podcast, you know, one of the things I've done with gratitude over the years in regards to my business is added it in when I'm, like, paying bills or paying taxes.

So, yeah, I have great Fear of taxes.

And you know, early on in my business, my business is 23 years old now.

But early on in my business I got caught into where I owed and I couldn't afford it.

I didn't stay for it, you know, just was not hand wasn't.

I was mishandling money in many regards energetically and actually physically.

And so I just got in this great fear mode and finally I got it all worked out and I saw something once, this was so long ago.

And I just encoded it in myself, which is to thank my taxes.

Because even though on one hand it kind of sucks, you know, just because it's the government taking even more money, but it means you made money when you owe, right?

So yeah, I pay my taxes.

I am like thank you.

Or when I pay my bills, like when I pay, you know, my Internet bill or whatever, I say thank you for providing me access to humans around the world or even locally that couldn't get in disabled people who don't have access because I have stairs.

You know, like, you know, it's like you're not just signing money away as if it's not nothing.

You're gaining something from that.

You're energetically in exchange with those services, your phone bill, your Internet bill, your light bill, your whatever bills you have.

So practicing gratitude with those is an energetic exchange that draws in more positivity towards your business.

Instead of like, oh God, I have to owe this that I kill.

That's just a negativity you're bringing into your business.

So that's where I've used gratitude in a business perspective.

I love that.

I absolutely love that night.

I think like one of my flips too is going to that abundant mindset.

Thank God.

Yes.

You know, I can think.

I know that just because I'm paying these bills doesn't mean this is all I get.

Like there's an infinite amount of resources.

Yes.

So it was a pretty.

That is amazing.

I had a really, really digging.

It was a steady paycheck too and obviously a large paycheck, but it was a steady one.

Whereas with an entrepreneur, you know, there's ebbs and flows and you know, you're not always guaranteed a certain dollar amount.

Yeah.

And I have to say I really want my listeners to know how cool you are.

Like I just had, I was just got really present to that.

I'm like, here's this woman that followed her into tuition, she reached out to me.

But I gotta tell you, I. I love intuitive encounters.

I love the work that you're doing.

I love that you built a business around it.

You know, I think it's.

It's so inspiring.

You.

I, I try to, you know, people said, well, well, my love is art, and artists don't make any money.

I'm like, I'm like, actually, I did coach an artist to get off a couch, stop couch surfing, and become a six figure artist.

I'm like, it doesn't matter what you what.

If you follow your passion, that's where your abundance is at.

Yes.

You know, and like we said, there's somebody for everybody's.

For every.

There's people who align with me in my messaging and how I operate.

There are people who align with you in your messaging and how you operate.

And like, that's going to be the case across the board for businesses.

And no, you're not going to be for everybody, and everybody's not going to be for you.

You have a certain spirit and spark, and that's what's going to draw your soul clientele to you and vice versa.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Man, I could talk to you forever.

This has been fun.

You just need to, like, take up camp in my living room.

So have more conversation.

But I have to.

I have two questions that I ask everybody on my podcast.

Okay, Jamie, what is the most courageous thing you've ever done?

That is a very good question.

It's a deep and not very happy answer, but it is my truth.

And that was to claim the sexual abuse that happened to me and name it and name the people and own it, knowing I was going to lose my entire family when I did it, which is exactly what happened.

But that is the most courageous thing I've ever done.

Oh, my gosh.

I felt the.

The power in that one.

Yeah.

And I love what you said about the truth.

Right.

Whatever our truth is.

Yeah.

It's not.

Courage isn't always about jumping out of airplanes.

Yeah.

Right.

It's about speaking what's inside.

Yep.

To me.

Well, thank you.

Rats.

And it was a long time ago now, so, you know, I don't steepen it every day.

And, you know, I've done a lot of healing work surrounding it, but I would definitely say that's one of the most courageous because, you know, when, you know you're about to, like, lose everybody in your life.

Because I just knew by that point, I knew that was the direction it was going to go.

And so they.

Yep.

Wow.

You're awesome.

You're awesome.

I'm sure it leads.

I always say, like, whatever leads us to our.

You know, there's things that happen in life that.

That lead us to our courageous destiny.

And the healing work that you do, it is.

You know, I can feel it on you.

It is your life's purpose.

I mean, it is.

And unfortunately, it doesn't always come in the form of unicorns and rainbows.

Right, Right.

But when we listen, you know, we can make.

We can make some pretty amazing things out of some pretty awesome.

Definitely what's led me into my healing path, because I went on a healing journey, a very deep, extensive healing journey.

And then that's when I realized, oh, wait, this is who I am as well.

I have this offering to give to people through my experience of healing.

This is what I have to offer.

So it's exactly what you're saying.

It led the right people in the right places at the right time.

Yes.

And the last question is, what is the most courageous thing left to do on your bucket list so far?

Oh, gosh, these are loaded.

Because you're really.

I'm trying to just, like, let it come to me.

I really don't feel like this is the ultimate answer, because I feel like that's just a pretty big question.

But what came to my mind right away was something a lot more lighthearted, which is skydiving.

Yay.

I think there's many more things that I'm going to need to be courageous about, particularly with my business and how I show up and things like that or, you know, in parenting, there's a lot of courage that comes with, you know, that.

And.

But, yeah, I'll land on that.

That's one of my bucket list items.

My husband's not excited and doesn't want me to do it, so I'm not going to for a while.

But, yeah, I'm gonna do it at some point.

That's awesome.

That is awesome.

I haven't.

I don't have that one yet because I think it's.

I think it's the mob.

I think it might be this phase of the programming.

Right.

But I think that's awesome.

Well, that's why I wouldn't do it yet.

I need my children to be well into their adulthood because it is inherently risky.

It is absolutely dangerous.

Like, so.

Which is why my husband doesn't want me to do it.

Right.

But my oldest wants to do it.

So I'm kind of hoping it's a challenge we can take on together.

But that is years out because My youngest is 13, and I'm not.

I'm not willing to risk my life for something like that at this time.

But maybe when they're older.

Awesome.

Awesome.

Well, Jamie, thank you so much for.

For being on my show.

Are.

Is there any other words that you would like to share about the Freedom Summit or about Intuitive Encounters to leave our listeners with today?

Well, people can reach me@intuitive encounters.com and then through there, you can find me on all the socials and stuff.

It's all listed on my website.

The Freedom Error Summit, you're not going to be able to find that online until September 15th, when we begin to promote it and put it out there and the links are available.

But what I want people to know is that it is a free summit.

So you're gonna get 13 speakers of amazing information about stepping into your Freedom era and that.

I just think that's an amazing deal.

And so that will drop September 15th, and we'll have links and all that coming up.

Beautiful.

And you will be able to get access to those links in the show notes of this podcast.

So if you are interested in attending the Freedom Summit, if you are interested in contacting Jamie, please look into the show notes and you'll be able to get hooked up right away.

So thank you for having me.

I appreciate it.

Oh, my honor, my honor.

And until next time, everyone live courageously.