There are wins, and then there are wins that feel like they carry generations with them.

In this episode, I sit down with Daisy Phipps Pulito and Cherie DeVaux to talk about Golden Tempo’s Kentucky Derby victory, a race that made Cherie the first female trainer to win the Derby and gave Daisy’s family a deeply meaningful win in the Phipps Stable silks.

Cherie and Daisy talk about the hours before the race, the signs Golden Tempo was ready, the pressure of stewardship, and the way one horse seemed to grow up right in front of them. They talk about what the future looks like and what future races could hold.

What You’ll Discover:

• Golden Tempo starting to blossom (02:08)
• A 100-year family legacy (07:50)
• The work behind carrying a legacy (12:28)
• Support, marriage, and life outside the barn (24:43)
• Managing anxiety before the Derby (29:39)
• Golden Tempo’s confidence now (48:46)

This episode is about more than a race. It’s about how the pivotal victory moments are built in the barns, in the mornings, in the losses, and in the people who believe before the rest of the world catches up.

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[00:00:03] Cherie: So I was just saying to Daisy that I really didn't, like, allow myself to think we were gonna win the Derby. I was pretty confident he'd run well. But I went into Daisy's box before the race, and I'm like, "We could win this race."

[00:00:22] And then she got up and left, and I stood there for three more hours.

[00:00:45] And what I love is what happened after that, you heard Cherie. She comes in, feels confident, and sure enough, their horse, Golden Tempo, comes from all the way in the back of the field to the front to win the Kentucky Derby. It was truly incredible. And I love that for Cherie, it made Cherie the first female trainer to win the Kentucky Derby, which is a huge feat.

[00:01:36] for her, this really represented sort of an evolution, like, the way that she has been able to really help steer and guide her family in this current era of horse racing to find success. So anyway, I can't wait for you to hear this conversation. This is Cherie DeVaux, Daisy Phipps Pulito, beginning with Daisy's perception of her thoughts on what this horse could really do.

[00:02:10] Daisy: I thought going into the race that I had the benefit of seeing him train here for five weeks leading up to it. And it's really hard to get a horse to peak at the right time. That's really out of your control. And Cherie and I would talk most mornings when I'd be out there, like, "Oh my God, he's doing really well.

[00:02:51] Also knowing that none of that has to happen or can happen. Yeah. And

[00:02:57] Cherie: Well, I was thinking the same thing, but I had this, like, arrogance about the whole situation that we were just gonna win. But, like, it was still in the back of my mind, like it probably isn't gonna happen, but we're just gonna it to the world.

[00:03:24] Daisy: Yeah, he's an honest horse. Like, he always tried in all of his r- all four races before that.

[00:03:34] Cherie: Well, physically, he was shaping up. In his work, he was getting a lot more aggressive and going away from him, galloping out away from his company. And that week, leading up to that week, I would send Daisy and Monique pictures of me putting on, like, Mardi Gras flowers on him, and he just kinda, like, let you do whatever he wanted.

[00:04:04] Lindsay: You were talking about how you felt like you guys watched him just become.

[00:04:10] Lindsay: Yeah, go from a boy to a man.

[00:04:12] Lindsay: I love that analogy.

[00:04:24] Lindsay: For people that don't know, creases in the rear end of a racehorse mean what?

[00:04:58] Daisy: And I would say, we haven't talked about this yet, but I would say that second to last work here at Keeneland was when I kind of said, like, "We got something here. Like, we really got something here."

[00:05:10] Daisy: Yeah, and I feel like, watching that, I watched that work back the other night after the Kentucky Derby, and watched the Kentucky Derby.

[00:05:22] Cherie: Yeah. No, same, 'cause he was always a good workhorse, but not great. Like, he'd just kinda hang out with his friends.

[00:05:38] Usually, they're decelerating, but we went an unconventional route and let him gallop out longer, and he was passing horses, weaving in and out. So he got, like, a little bit of an ego boost. Yeah. I work out.

[00:06:00] Cherie: Well, I, and I don't know about Daisy, but I am hyper-focused on what I have. So I can look at the numbers, and we discussed that. He has to get better, and-

[00:06:13] Cherie: They were getting better, and he was gonna have to take a big leap forward. That's what we said after he won the Little Cup.

[00:06:38] Lindsay: All right. So I wanted to get your take, both of you. What was going through both of your minds at this moment?

[00:06:51] Daisy: Yeah, I mean, we spent a lot of time, me and Cherie and Monique from St. Elias throughout this whole journey, and it's ... these things normally don't pan out, the, exactly the way you want.

[00:07:11] Lindsay: Really?

[00:07:12] Cherie: Yeah, neither am I.

[00:07:16] Cherie: No.

[00:07:19] Daisy: Yeah.

[00:07:20] Daisy: Yeah.

[00:07:26] Yeah. And to share it, I mean, eh, again, I'm sure everyone feels this way. It's fun to win those races, but it's even more special when you have a relationship with everyone involved.

[00:07:50] Daisy: It's the best day of my life. Single-handedly, the best day of my life. I mean, you're gonna, like Barbara Walters, you're gonna make me cry here, but the pinnacle of my family being in horse racing for 100 years, and this is our 100th anniversary right now, and Phipps Stable has won the Derby before with Orb, but it was in my cousin Stuart Janney's silks.

[00:08:35] Lindsay: How rare is that, what Daisy's saying?

[00:08:59] Some keep, they keep some, buy some, but as far as the Phipps business model of keeping that family intact and the integrity of the family and improving the family, that's a foregone concept.

[00:09:29] So I mean, collectively, it's sort of like just these stars are aligned, right? What does it mean to you, Cherie, at this point now that you've had a bit-

[00:09:51] I'll never, ever get to feel that feeling again. God willing, we win other Derbies, but to have that be the first and, just everything surrounding, the story with Golden Tempo and, sharing it with, the Phipps family and Saint Elias, Vinny, Teresa, and Monique. It's just a feeling that, like, as you said, it was the best day of your life.

[00:10:43] You have this. What are we gonna do next, or what are we gonna do with this?

[00:11:02] Daisy: It's been overwhelming, and we've had to, we've talked about that a little bit, of, you gotta take some time and enjoy this because it's fleeting.

[00:11:23] I'm gonna do it and help him to the wire. But there's the moment when he comes up to Renegade, and that's where I was standing, and he put his head in front, and I could not believe it. Like, I just could not believe that was happening, and I just, like, I couldn't breathe. I was, like, fell in a heap, but just, like, can't believe it, and I was just so excited for everything.

[00:12:08] Lindsay: You said that your kids said that they were proud of you.

[00:12:13] Daisy: Parents spend a lot of time telling their kids they're, you're proud of them. Yeah. So when your kids say that- God, I don't know.

[00:12:21] Daisy: Yeah. So when they say it to you, it really means something.

[00:12:26] Why were they saying that? '

[00:12:46] Lindsay: Wow.

[00:12:55] What we have is what we have. Thankfully, my father, my grandfather, and my great-grandmother before me put in a lot of hard work and a lot of dedication, and we got to reap those rewards with the Violas, a couple of weeks ago. So they see that it's a lot of time away from them, it's a lot of effort.

[00:13:32] Daisy: Yeah.

[00:13:36] Daisy: 100%.

[00:13:37] Daisy: Yes, absolutely, 100%. And we weren't the last couple of years.

[00:14:07] That was four years in the making.

[00:14:09] Daisy: And you get it right.

[00:14:11] Daisy: Four years in the making. That's four years in the making. No pressure. And it went right, and it went right on the biggest day in horse racing.

[00:14:27] even maybe as if you were becoming a trainer. I know, and by the way, we should mention that you were a bodybuilder. Med student, right? Yeah. And then turned assistant, turned trainer.

[00:14:37] Lindsay: Yeah.

[00:14:51] So our relationship didn't start with Golden Tempo. It started with- It started with…

[00:14:56] Cherie: Well, it started with our ki- with your kids, yes. And, we had a personal relationship with my stepdaughter, who is in the same grade as Andrew, Daisy's brother. My oldest. And they, but you sent a filly, Yeah,

[00:15:11] Cherie: Sweet Storm. And I remember having to ask Anthony Shug's assistant, like, "I need, like, can I borrow the Phipps silks for this race?" And I was like, I was so like, so proud to be able to do that 'cause not a lot of other trainers have gotten that opportunity or that honor of doing it.

[00:16:00] Lindsay: So what was your perception of Cherie as a trainer?

[00:16:28] and like I said earlier, like we, what we have is what we have. I can't just.

[00:17:12] And so for all of those Colts, we kind of decide what trainers we think are best for those, and Cherie got two of those last year. Golden Tempo came in a little later 'cause he was a little pudgy and needed a little more time.

[00:17:29] Daisy: Yeah

[00:17:33] Daisy: Yeah. But it's like he's turning into a man now. Yeah. Like, that's the cool thing about him. Like, even after the Derby, and I go out there and see him, like, he's doing really well. He's still kind of turning into a man.

[00:17:53] Yeah. He is auditioning for all the ladies. Oh,

[00:17:56] Cherie: Yeah. Oh, yeah. He stands out there, and there's more than four legs that you can see.

[00:18:05] Cherie: I come with the jokes. But,

[00:18:11] Cherie: Yeah. they don't do that if they're just kinda like...

[00:18:18] Lindsay: Yes.

[00:18:19] Cherie: Yeah.

[00:18:21] Cherie: Right... he's kind of, he's, he is- He's feeling himself...

[00:18:28] Cherie: So I'm super patient to a point. We're gonna give all the horses their own time in their development to become the best that they can be.

[00:19:11] We've given her a couple of opportunities, and it's just not gonna work out. So, then we'll re-transition her either as a broodmare or as a second career riding horse. So I give them all their opportunity, and when they need the time, we give them the time. And when we push, but we, the horse always comes first.

[00:19:55] So that's why I keep my numbers at the, where they are, so that we can continue having that quality of what we do in the barn, and that shows.

[00:20:17] Yours was a bit more unconventional, right?

[00:20:51] And it's hard, like, because if something happens, you still have to show up the next day.

[00:20:57] Cherie: If it's in the morning, the next hour, the next five minutes. You don't get a chance to sit and cry in the bathroom.

[00:21:06] Cherie: Yeah.

[00:21:09] Cherie: With this career. Is that right?

[00:21:10] Daisy: And you're gonna lose more than you win.

[00:21:13] So get used to it. Yeah. Like, you gotta become a really good loser.

[00:21:22] Cherie: Well, a lot, I have a medical... I was going to school to be a physical therapist, and even in bodybuilding, some instances are definitely linear- especially from the physiological aspect of the horse to the human body. But I remember one day when I was... I had a knee replacement, and my knee was really bad. And so I finally went and got it injected with a steroid. And, like, a couple of days later, when I was bodybuilding, I could do, like, double the amount of weight.

[00:22:33] Lindsay: And how about you? I mean, some of those things when you're talking about the legacy, what have been some of the most difficult parts of that work?

[00:22:57] Lindsay: Pressure ...

[00:23:12] Like, that is extremely important to me.

[00:24:02] Cherie: There are a lot of women ex-

[00:24:43] Lindsay: You're both married to very supportive Davids. Yes. What has that been like? It's funny because I've had this conversation a few times over the past few days about how beneficial I think it is to be married to someone in the same field. And you and your David are not in the same field, but the support is absolutely right?

[00:25:13] Cherie: Yeah, so well, David is really the reason we're all sitting here. He believed in me when I didn't dare to believe in myself, especially at that time in my life.

[00:25:55] And he's very secure. We never argue about anything of that nature, and business aside, it's that partner who's there at the end of the day when things are wrong, who understands exactly where I'm coming from.

[00:26:22] And, he sacrificed his career to help the children and me and keep everything together while I was going through that twice. And then, in my professional life, I'm on the road a lot. It's a lot of early mornings. It's a lot of late dinners. and-

[00:26:49] Lindsay: Yeah. Where do you get your toughness?

[00:27:09] Lindsay: Cherie, what do you think it was that made you really want to pivot and finally make a decision that like, "Okay, no, this is really what I wanna go for here"?

[00:27:40] I was just enjoying where life took me. I hurt myself early on as an exercise rider. Pushed me one way.

[00:27:47] Cherie: Right, yes. And my exercise, my illustrious, secure exercise rider career was, that was it of what my knee could hold. But it made me be more in a management role. And then when I outgrew the first job I was in for Chuck, I started working for Chad, and that was just a summer job.

[00:28:27] I don't know where it's gonna take me, but I'm gonna put everything I have, and when I'm done with this, I'll figure it out." And then I met David, and he asked me, and we were on again, off again, on and off again. And he says, "What are you doing with your life?" And I was kind of really salty about everything, and I was just like, "I don't know.

[00:29:05] Lindsay: Like being able to actually be around with the horses- Right, and- And have the time to, yeah ...

[00:29:32] Phil, you." And it's, like, it's just, it's very hard, it's very hard in anything to get started.

[00:29:46] Cherie: So I've seen Dr. Karen, I just laugh 'cause she's Karen, for the last seven years.

[00:30:28]Butt yeah, the week before the Derby, I went in there, and I couldn't breathe. I was, like, just full of angst and anxiety, and she's looking at me, and I was like, "I'm really losing it right now. Like, I'm just so, like, there's so much going on." She's got some little doodad she puts on my ear, and she's like, "I would never know that you were, like, you're so stoic."

[00:30:50] Cherie: Right, like, well, your heart rate- Or your, yeah ... and your breathing, and then we do our square breathing.

[00:30:57] Cherie: Yeah, it's the box breath.

[00:31:06] Cherie: Oh, it's a lot. It's a lot of pressure and to be fair to Daisy and the Violas, there's never been pressure on me. It's about doing what's right for the horse. But I have the most self-imposed pressure than a- anybody. Like, and I can be my biggest bully as well, so it all rattles around in there.

[00:31:34] Daisy: You have other clients besides us.

[00:31:45] But I needed just to, like, get myself centered before I moved on to the next phase.

[00:32:03] Daisy: I learned to make sourdough that week. And that's a long process.

[00:32:10] Lindsay: Were you feeling the same anxiety that Cherie's talking about in different ways?

[00:32:22] Sure. Sorry, Karen. You and your Karen pivot. But the pressure, yeah, the pressure's more on her than it is on the owner. We rely on her, and she's very honest with her feedback with us, which is very appreciated. But there's angst. You wanna win the Derby. Everybody wants to win the Derby.

[00:33:06] Lindsay: What did you do right before the race? Did you have a moment where you could just kind of get away at all?

[00:33:26] And so we just started singing, like- ... all kinds of random songs, and Todd's over there looking at us like, "These women are..." Well, yeah, it was all women. We're crazy. But I just try to, I really just try to take a deep breath and just be in the moment, not worrying about, we're getting ready for the walk over.

[00:33:56] And then you have to stand there for post parade, and that is the most agonizing-

[00:34:01] Cherie: yeah ... 10, 15 minutes, and then the horse flips.

[00:34:12] Cherie: Yeah ...

[00:34:15] Lindsay: It's like a Super Bowl TV timeout.

[00:34:19] Lindsay: Yeah

[00:34:21] Lindsay: I was watching when that race started, and then as it became clear that Golden Tempo was gonna win, I was like, "That horse manufactured the underdog."

[00:34:31] Lindsay: Do you know what I mean? In some sports, especially in Olympic hockey, they'll talk about that. Like, you have to create some sense of, I just thought that was funny. Right? It was...

[00:34:43] Lindsay: Yeah.

[00:34:49] Daisy: Yep, most people aren't winners their entire life.

[00:34:52] Daisy: Yeah.

[00:35:03] Daisy: I mean, I wish everyone could experience, 'cause it's really something unlike any other. Yeah. It's life-changing. It's the pinnacle of our sport. Like, I wish people could have that feeling. I wish everyone in horse racing could have that feeling.

[00:35:34] Cherie: Well, we put so much into it. Yeah. Everybody. Yeah. This is your life's work. And to see the culmination and the fruition of it is like, you can't... Like, I joke, like if you could just put it in a candle and, like, smell it and relive it.

[00:35:51] Cherie: Victory, yeah.

[00:35:55] Daisy: Melvin made it.

[00:35:56] Lindsay: My husband makes candles. Oh. This is his side hustle. I don't wanna say side hustle, 'cause it is a real legit business.

[00:36:03] Lindsay: And maybe we'll have him work on that. Yeah.

[00:36:05] Daisy: I enjoy all the teachers; all my kids' teachers got them as gifts for Christmas.

[00:36:09] Yeah. This is like a commercial. Yeah. We should probably get sponsored by them.

[00:36:13] Lindsay: No, but that's awesome, and I love that, 'cause it's, that's actually a very tangible image, the fact that, yes, if you could put it in one place, people don't understand the amount of what you guys do daily, I don't think, like it's very different, right?

[00:36:39] Cherie: It's my life. Like, I wake up at 4:30 in the morning, and I'm going until whenever the races end. Sometimes if there's night racing, it's 10, 11 o'clock, and I live, eat, breathe it.

[00:37:06] Daisy: And for sure, it's a lot of little things. It's a lot of little details that you need to take care of.

[00:37:18] Lindsay: Like what?

[00:37:22] Cherie: Well, yeah. I mean, it's nuances. There are a couple of things here and there where you have to make adjustments right away, and that could change the outcome of what you're doing, both good and bad.

[00:38:02] But you know, he had a little issue, but it could've been a big issue. And it's little things like that I have to be razor focused every moment of the mornings and- Yeah ... most of the day.

[00:38:23] Lindsay: You're tired.

[00:38:25] Lindsay: Right. It- Right. It's the feel.

[00:38:28] Lindsay: And do you think women have an edge on that, maybe that sounds like a silly question, but just in terms of the-

[00:38:36] Lindsay: female instinct, the,

[00:38:47] Daisy: I'm sure you see things that other people would miss.

[00:38:57] Cherie: Thanks. But I, and it's not just horses. Like, it can be, I'll see somebody with the wrong equipment on, and it's like, I'll say, "Oh, that's wrong," and I'm in the car, and they're in the barn. And they're like, "How did she see that?" It's just like computers.

[00:39:20] Lindsay: So you win the Derby, and then you have the chance to run the Preakness. I was. I would love to hear what those conversations were like for you guys, deciding, figuring out.

[00:39:32] Lindsay: How did you do it? What did it look like with-

[00:39:40] Cherie: Yeah, we just talked about what the goals with Golden Tempo were and, coming back in two weeks for a horse that just ran like that and improving.

[00:40:08] Lindsay: Did it? Was it something that even came on your radar before the Derby?

[00:40:15] Daisy: I didn't think about it.

[00:40:18] Lindsay: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:40:25] Lindsay: What is it like having, knowing that people are waiting to hear from you, you know what I mean, on what you guys are deciding with that decision to go for the Triple Crown or not?

[00:40:53] Cherie: Daisy did say I get to be the bad guy when I get to announce it.

[00:41:06] Lindsay: No

[00:41:08] Lindsay: She did.

[00:41:12] Lindsay: With that being said, there, it is, okay, so this is so much now of the national conversation.

[00:41:37] Daisy: Yeah, I think it should be... It's a conversation in the industry that 100% needs to be had. But the Triple Crown is also supposed to be hard. And it's supposed to be a special horse that wins it.

[00:42:00] And a special type, unique to the situation. To run their life, put their life races on the line in five weeks, three races, and all at these long distances.

[00:42:25] Lindsay: So you think it is diluting a bit

[00:42:28] Lindsay: Like adding time between?

[00:42:39] Lindsay: So what's the solution?

[00:43:10] But in the past, we're not the first ones to do this. It's becoming, we're more aware of letting the horse dictate the decision than the pressure of the Triple Crown.

[00:43:27] Daisy: Yeah. And, if he runs, if he wins the Belmont, I'd love it in my head to haunt me for the rest of my life.

[00:43:40] Lindsay: Really?

[00:43:44] Lindsay: Yeah.

[00:43:44] Lindsay: Oh, I'm not discrediting that. I think this is actually a very... I'm really glad that we're having that conversation about it, 'cause you're right.

[00:43:56] Cherie: Right.

[00:44:06] We have a segment, Get Ready With Me. So to get ready for your job in the morning, what is one thing you can't live without, Cherie?

[00:44:16] Lindsay: I hope so.

[00:44:26] Lindsay: I heard this about you.

[00:44:27] Lindsay: Wait, how many a day?

[00:44:43] The fridge shook or something. I just carry it around with me all morning.

[00:44:52] Daisy: I need my coffee every morning.

[00:44:58] Lindsay: That's

[00:45:00] Lindsay: For real?

[00:45:02] Lindsay: What time do you wake up in the morning?

[00:45:09] Lindsay: I have started drinking one tall cup of water before I have my coffee to make myself a little more hydrated. Yeah.

[00:45:17] Lindsay: I'm trying to implement that in my life.

[00:45:20] Cherie: It is a good thing. Yeah. You can never have too much water.

[00:45:29] Cherie: David?

[00:45:46] So I would be, for my family, for the Violas at St. Elias, there are a lot of people who have done a lot of hard work, and I would be over the moon if that happens

[00:46:14] Kind of, we have all made these benchmark races at the Kentucky Derby, the Belmont, and then hopefully we have another conversation of trying to go for maybe the Travers in the summer. Yeah. So it's the... We're on the right... We're continuing on our path of what we set out to do in January after he won the Kentucky Oaks.

[00:46:43] Lindsay: Meaning?

[00:46:44] Lindsay: Yeah.

[00:46:56] Lindsay: Yeah. I mean, in and of themselves, they're huge. Yeah. But to think about what you've already done, and then that possibility.

[00:47:05] Lindsay: Is something that hasn't been done. Yeah. By a woman, yeah.

[00:47:14] All the connections, these, the horses, when you're around them, I don't care if they're really good or not that good, you develop a relationship with them like your pets, like your dogs, if you have dogs or cats, they kind of turn into that for you. So, it's just like watching your kid win a little league game, like the pride and how happy they are and how happy you are for them, and the work that they put in them.

[00:47:43] Lindsay: So what was that like with him?

[00:47:51] Lindsay: He's feeling himself.

[00:47:53] Lindsay: But so when, like, when you got to, when you got to see him after, and just had quiet time for the first moment, when you were able to do that, what was that like?

[00:48:01] Lindsay: Yeah.

[00:48:24] And he's one horse. We try to do that with every horse in the stable. He's one. And then, I will always have gratitude for him for giving us that moment. And he's the one, I say we trained him, we got him there.

[00:48:41] Cherie: Made it happen, but Golden Tempo won the race

[00:48:50] Cherie: Oh, he's a... Well, he's, he-

[00:48:52] Cherie: Yeah. He thinks he's the man. He's very confident in himself. He walks out, you can see him on the track now- ... where he just kinda likes standing out there. I use a protection pony, 'cause we don't get to wrap him in bubble wrap. I think everyone was surprised that he went out and trained with the general population.

[00:49:30] Daisy: Yeah, his evolution over the last eight weeks has been, he's turned into a man in front of us. Like, it's

[00:49:39] Cherie: He did that. We just trained him, and you want him peaking, so- Daisy

[00:49:46] Daisy: I didn't do it, I can tell you that.

[00:50:02] Which, when you have four weeks into a race, you have the breeze right before the race, then the breeze right, the breeze right after his last race, the breeze right before. So you don't... You're kinda just maintaining. It's hard to really push on him. And the six weeks were a big draw. For Fair Grounds, we stay down there.

[00:50:44] He just wanted to go. And it just, the light bulb came on. He got better physically- he matured physically, but he had that aha moment, like, "Oh, okay, I get this now."

[00:51:13] Lindsay: He's doing it on the world stage.

[00:51:16] Lindsay: You guys, thank you. Is there anything else that you wanted to add? No. Anything at all?

[00:51:24] I, I mean, the way that this horse has been campaigned, and Cherie and her team, it's been, sometimes these things can get very complicated. Sometimes the horse can get complicated and it's just been, it's been awesome. It's been fun. Yeah.

[00:51:51] It's hard that it's rare that you have a unique group of people that become a team. Everyone has these big personalities, and we want what's best, but can work together without any... There was, there has never been- Yeah ... one bad conversation. There's never been one time we've talked, I can't speak for you, but- No.

[00:52:22] Daisy: Yeah. And she, and I think that was a big part of it. I think a lot of times when owners would've said, maybe we should just give him a little break, and then get him back going again, when he finished third in those last two races.

[00:52:53] Lindsay: Were there any similar signs that you've seen from him?

[00:53:03] Cherie: He's a really cool dude, and I told them one day some horses are elite. They stamp themselves in their demeanor. So he'll come out, and he'll stand up like a picture. Like, you don't really have a lot of them, you have to get them to stand upright, you have to move them back and forth.

[00:53:44] And horses, like, get on, they wanna get off, because they don't want all this around them. He stood there, he jogged, and he stood there so stoic, ears up, just breathing it all in, and just didn't, like, it didn't bother him. And that's special in a horse, 'cause-

[00:54:05] Cherie: Right. And he's still like that, even though he's a little...

[00:54:14] Daisy: He just feels good.

[00:54:24] Lindsay: That's awesome.

[00:54:28] It's hard to do. It's really hard.

[00:54:34] Daisy: Yeah ...

[00:54:36] Daisy: Good luck. Congratulations. Thank you. I mean, good luck the rest of the way. We can't wait to watch. This is awesome. Thank you.

[00:54:46] I loved hearing both of them share their thoughts. I really appreciate their time. I love the fact that Cherie really shared about just the need to sometimes just go through the hard stuff, just grit your teeth and bear it, and that's certainly a theme that we have heard come up so many times.

[00:55:36] Anyway, I also love the fact, guys, that she's talking about the fact that she was going to med school. She was a bodybuilder. Like, we can pivot. I mean, that is really the greatness. You can pivot, and why not? At any time. Sounds easier than it is, but if we've learned anything from all these guests, that's the real deal.