Have you ever felt inspired? Like the time that one brilliant idea that just popped in your mind one moment in the shower? Now compare that to that nagging thought that continually pops into your head: “I should take advantage of that franchise opportunity”. It returns to you over and over again. Is that a sign you should do it? Or is there something deeper at work?

Caitlin and I discuss how to tell the difference between listening to your “gut” in those moments of inspiration versus acting based on what your ego is telling you to do.

00:04 - Adam (Host)

Welcome to the 200% live podcast with Adam Hergenrother and Caitlin Frautland, where we bring you weekly insights into spiritual growth and business success. Monday, we started our living in advance, which is really fun. We had a couple hundred people come up here, so going on, which we're super excited for, but it was really cool to see how many people support young entrepreneurs. So my son what happened? To be up at the Flynn on Tuesday and then he came over to the Hilton. We were doing it and he set up. He put a suit on. I should have showed you a picture of it. He put a suit on actually the day before he was ironing his shirts to make sure it looked good.

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You want to dress up like a business person. We were so. Then we talked about the whole role and identity thing because it gave it lead to there and I was like, yeah, there's nothing wrong with like, if you wanted to dress up like that, it's not who you are, but you fit. It's like you go to the cross, you put the pads on. I said, when you go in business you can put the suit on, you're gonna look professional and and there's nothing wrong with that dude and he's like. He was great and it's really sense of. Actually we were. He had a tie on and we're walking in and he's like I feel a little uncomfortable to tie that little tie and I was like you're fine, look great, whether he's like I.

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Just because he's like, he realized that everyone else is like more casual clothing and so then he's like take tie off. So I took tie off and then after that he had a vest on. It was really cool. You can see pictures on social for it. But it was fun. But he set up the shop and for hours he worked it. At one point he got so many people coming in there trying to buy bracelets like he had these Libyan bracelets met set up and he's like I can't take any more orders that I'm like it's all good. So it was.

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It was really cool to kind of talk through on the way home to like how to build business and whatnot, and I think it's also important. I actually ended up taking my other kids out because we had Captain Phillips as a keynote speaker there as well too just to listen to them and to interact with it and try to get them as many kind of worldly experiences as possible, not get so caught up into. I mean. I think schooling is important. It's got its role but I also want to really quickly pull my kids out for other experiences they can have, particularly if it gets them to think for themselves. That's really what I want them to do.

02:04 - Caitlin (Host)

It's a fun experience. That's awesome.

02:06 - Adam (Host)

Yeah.

02:07 - Caitlin (Host)

So how did selling bracelets go?

02:09 - Adam (Host)

It was good. I think you made over $600. And he had. You know, we always work through his script first. So about what is it?

02:16

And he's like locally sourced Vermont made bracelets handmade from there that are going to be help funding a new lacrosse stick in my college, because I we bought him a new lacrosse stick this year and I was like, dude, if you want to do the cross stick, you can. You can sell one, figure out a business and make one. And he was actually down in first in Stowe, vermont. It was been leaf peeping season, so there's a ton of people down there and he created this card set where he just made up this card set, which is really cool, him and his buddy did. And he went down there and he asked three business owners if he could sell outside their shop and the first three said no and then he went to the fourth one and they said yes, they do it.

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And the cool thing about this, this particular experience, when he was down in Stowe on the main street on a Saturday and Friday afternoon, he made $300 or $400 selling those as well too, but he got rejected nine out of 10 times and that was the best part was that I was about 100 yards away from him sitting in a chair watching him do this, so we had eyes on him, but he was out there just getting rejected and just working and forming in script and just learning that it's perseverance, never giving up, but also that it's just.

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It doesn't. Don't let that affect you, right? Don't let that. I mean we talk a lot about, you know, obviously, spirituality, personal growth, and really in the beginning I mean all that really is the just. You just can handle reality. So part of that conversation, and on a big spiritual way with Azure, was more about can you handle the fact that you're rejected? And if you can't, it's going to prevent you from, you know, accomplishing your goal. And the reality is, is he could? He started to overcome and realize that the objections just were fine and they led to eventually he got to another sale.

03:51 - Caitlin (Host)

That's awesome. Yeah, it was really cool and I love just like not saying you know, save your, save your chore money. And then you can get a lacrosse stick like actually getting them for chores.

04:03 - Adam (Host)

Yeah, we don't pay our kids for chores. Yeah, do you guys, you pay your kids for chores, I mean, they're five and one so no, I mean, I'm mostly still doing the. Jesus, but I'm but.

04:15 - Caitlin (Host)

I don't think that we will.

04:16 - Adam (Host)

I think I mean to me that's an extra chore, yeah like something like that my daughter I know that I say that just so I can clarify this on the record. We do pay them for, like, if they want to go wash the car Stuff like extra chores.

04:29 - Caitlin (Host)

So like.

04:29 - Adam (Host)

Sarah their day actually had, because they wanted something. Sarah had them go around and clean all of the windows in the house, which isn't, I guess one could argue with that, but their main chores. They we don't really necessarily pay them for because they're part of the community.

04:40 - Caitlin (Host)

Yeah, exactly, yeah.

04:41 - Adam (Host)

Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, it's been fun. Inspired thought will spirituality 101 continuing this right? Yes inspired thought versus egoic thought.

04:52 - Caitlin (Host)

Yeah, how do you tell the difference?

04:54 - Adam (Host)

Yeah, well isn't. Isn't this the kind of old age question, right? When people start getting down this path, I think one of the the first things that people raise their hand and say, hey, how do I know the difference between you know? You want to call it inspired thought or an egoic thought. I think it's a great way of classifying it as, like somebody say, is how do I know that's my true nature? How am I, how am I being authentic? How do I know that's the path I'm supposed to go down? I think that's really what that's really what people want to know.

05:22

The answer to is was is this the path I'm supposed to go down? And the funny thing is is, when you're asking somebody else that question, it's. It's funny. I know that people do it as they're looking for the concrete answer, but if you actually listen to somebody else tell you that and then you take it and just it for yourself for your answer, that's not the answer either. If they get it right, it has got lucky right because they don't know. You're asking the other person's mind. What if? If? What your mind is making up or which one is the difference? I think that the the question that people really are looking for to ask is how do I tell the difference for myself?

05:57 - Caitlin (Host)

Yeah, and before we get too far down this track and speaking of questions, just want to mention that if you're listening on Spotify, we're testing out a new Q&A feature and we'd love to know what questions or topics that you guys have that you want us to Weave into these podcasts. So drop your questions in the Q&A box below the show notes.

06:14 - Adam (Host)

That'd be awesome. Yeah, we love, we love questions, we love those. So I mean, that's really the the.

06:21 - Caitlin (Host)

The actually any part of your spiritual journey.

06:24 - Adam (Host)

People love to discern the difference between how do I know that I'm following what I'm supposed to be doing here, right? I mean, that's kind of no matter. It leaves plenty of room for whoever you believe of how you're and why you're here. I think most people still want to answer the question again, leaving plenty of room for the first part of this Is, though how do I know the difference?

06:42 - Caitlin (Host)

Right, because we believe that inspired thought is like our purpose, our destiny, we're supposed to go in that direction. Yeah where you go with. That feels like a chatter, distraction, and so yeah, and maybe there isn't even a difference, I don't know. I guess that's why we're.

06:58 - Adam (Host)

I think the the starting place for this is Once you recognize that there is a voice inside your head. That's really, I know. People listening to this should check that box, because a lot of them already know that we, and most people, I think, are waking up to the fact that there is a voice inside your head. Right, like it's. You know, when I, you talking, a group, and you, or hundreds of people you always ask, is like is there? Everyone have a voice in there and everyone raises their hand. Now, right, you know, 10 years ago when I brought that up, it was more like what? Like? People were like yes, but what is he really getting at?

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So I think now that conversation is becoming more important and people recognize that I do have this voice inside my head, the challenge is is what most people, when they have objective, subjective Clarity inside, they can tell that there's a voice in their head. But the majority of the time it and sneaks back in and there's a voice in their head and they're not thinking that's the voice in their head. They're thinking that's them and that's what they start making the mistake on. So it's almost like there's many, many layers to this onion that just keep going by the way, and I'm not sure when. They have it ended for me, so I don't know when they, if at one point they end, if at all, during why you're here on earth on physical form, the so this there really comes down to is like okay.

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So now I recognize that there's a voice inside my head. That's the first component. Most thought comes from that voice, right, because what is thought, right thought, is I'm in here, right, so we have to start with that. I, who you are, is in there, hearing, listening, because it's really thought doesn't show up necessarily in visual form, though it can. But I think most thought, generally speaking, and at least in my experience, comes first In words. Right, would that be true for you? You may, you may be able to visualize the thought afterwards, but I think the first onset of that I said think of an apple, like first, like they're an apple kind of show in there. But then I can picture those things that help solidify the thought. But it's actually doesn't matter if the thought comes before or after, but initially there's like this you hear something, right, I mean, how else to describe it? You're in there and and something comes across your consciousness, right, Something that for you there's a, there's a thought, there's language that is spoken inside that only you can hear, at least right now.

09:08

At some point we may find a way that other people can read thoughts, and I don't think that's actually scary, by the way, if that happens, because I think you would then give people a lot of Freedom to realize everyone else has these wild and absurd, crazy thoughts. It'd be like somebody going out there and be like you're the cause of the weather, right, like it's. A lot of people are like you know. You know you're not the cause of the weather, right, like it's, like no, the weather just does what it is and everyone's thoughts that you pick up are just thoughts that you pick up. It's not whether or not it's. I think that would just be freeing for a lot of people because it actually it would take it from what you think are personal thoughts and bring them out there in the open a lot more.

09:46 - Caitlin (Host)

I've never thought of it that way, of you know, and of the mindset like, oh my gosh, but that would not be good if we could all hear each other's thoughts. But what I really like about, like Michael Singer and all these other spiritual teachers, is that they're just reflecting back to you that Everybody has these thoughts like, and so then, yeah, we would just actually see that more and that would probably be more liberating.

10:06 - Adam (Host)

Yeah, it would be like you know, oh just, there's a thought going on, it's just, it's there, right, it's. It's whether or not you act on it right, or if you're, if you're a malicious thought that you're recurring anyways. So you first you kind of recognize there's a voice in there and then you have these. You recognize that there are thoughts that show up in there, and A lot of the thoughts that come in there you don't pay attention to right. Any of us, not you, you, but any of us don't pay attention to right. I mean there's, I mean how many just wild thoughts show up every single day of different things. You're like, wow, that's just weird, what did they even come from? So you don't act on those thoughts.

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Where it really starts to grab you is when you become disturbed or you starting to feel really Excited about something that happened outside. That then either disturbed you or turned you on. The thoughts really start grabbing you. Then they Intensify and then emotions really come in there. Visual sensations tend to come in there more. That's when they've got thoughts, emotions and visual components inside there. It's like you're glued right. It's like you being in a middle of a movie theater and forgetting that you're in the middle of a movie theater and there's 300 other people in the room, right, you become so glued to that and then we miss then the first. What most of us are doing now is then listening to that and then following through.

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So just give you an example of something I just you know, you can even Give this example from yesterday. We're in advance and somebody that used to work in an organization they, they, they're no longer here and we were chatting about this individual and it's not. I could feel myself getting disturbed because you know they were just chatting about this individual and about you know. It was just, it was whatever. It's some relaxing, I'm releasing, doing everything that we teach you this, and I could see the mind in the ego being like, oh, you should need. This is why you need to go build your business more, because then you could show them that basically, see for them Not being here. You see how quick like this is, like now I'm gonna go build this massive and come so successful, just to make sure they know how amazing of an opportunity this was and that they lost the opportunity.

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Right, it was so clear, like you just see this whole thing go on and though in the, in the energy was actually like, was you could feel it, it was palpable, like it was moving. You know, like wanted me to engage with it and then start to get more engaged with my actions. That would then go cause the business to go Be built faster and put more energy into it, go be ruthless and all this stuff so I could build this massive business, just so I could go back and be like, see, look, you know, we made a billion dollars last year net profit. How do you feel that, whatever the number is right? That is not, that is not inspired thought, but that's how most of us react to these things, because what we're doing is we're reacting and taking actions based on the lowest part of ourselves driving our actions. And then, by the way, this is why, when we go in, let's just say it was like, oh, we need to go get a hundred more people for our company, or hit X number of sales, or sell a certain number of books or whatever it is. And then you drive and you go and do it from that inspired thought.

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And once you get that, that's why people feel lacking, because it was never an inspired nature, it was all egoic thought and that egoic will always leave you feeling unfulfilled. It'll always leave me feeling like there's something missing. It'll always leave you feeling like there's something more to grab, something more to get from this experience. And that's what happens when you follow that inspired, that egoic thought, that egoic pattern from the mind. It literally will take you down and it is real, I mean, it'll push you in that direction and you'll think that it'll feel good going in that direction. By the way, you'll feel like you're accomplishing things, the world's gonna reward you for it because you're becoming successful.

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And then all of a sudden, you wake up and you go. Man, I hit it and guess what? This person, whether they care or not I'm just using that as an example. For mine, whether they care or not is irrelevant, because now all of a sudden, you don't care anymore and now you feel inauthentic. Then you go. Then next thing you know, and you go. Now I'm disturbed from that. And then all of a sudden, guess what? Another egoic thought goes in and goes well, if you just had a different business, right, I mean if it, or if it was a little bit larger, or you know what?

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or maybe you should go write a book now and tell everybody about your business. Or maybe you should go buy a new house and post it on social media so he can really see, or she can really see, you know how successful you are. I mean, that's literally how people react to a lot of things. I'm just using one small example. But the things that happen outside, these small events that drive us, drive our egos into overload and becoming a spoiled toddler, and then we take that energy and those thoughts, these egoic thoughts, and run out into the world trying to make the thoughts that we just occurred, that just occurred inside there, reality. And this is what we're doing, and we're taking a larger scale. But we're doing all of this stuff.

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Your five year old, right, is throwing a fit in a store. It's way easier to give them what they want right then, so they calm down, right. And it's the same thing you're doing inside. It's like, all of a sudden, I can't handle the fact that my five year old is throwing a tantrum in the store and therefore I'm now feeling embarrassed. So now I'm going to engage with that embarrassment of energy or whatever energy is showing up, or anger, that's there and I'm gonna give them, and I'm gonna give them something, or I'm not gonna do any of that and I'm gonna yell at them and freak out in the middle of the store. So they really understand how I feel. Either way, you're just now going from an egoic thought.

15:25 - Caitlin (Host)

Yeah. So what? I think I hear that you're saying as well too, that sometimes the egoic thought is are these kind of negative thoughts? And they're obviously negative? You're coming from a place of lack or unworthiness, or whatever that's driving it.

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But there's also like egoic thought that kind of has a positive spin, like oh yeah, I should go do that, that would feel wonderful. And so it's not necessarily about the feeling behind it even being negative or positive, but it's almost that like drive to do, like I have to fix this. It's like almost or just yeah, this compulsion to do.

15:58 - Adam (Host)

It's so subtle. But here's what it is. It's so subtle. This is why you have to pay attention so closely. It's when that egoic thought comes in there the disturbance can be high or low Disturbance. What I mean is that it can make you feel high, or it can make you feel low Anger, or it can make you feel uplifting, or it can make you feel good if you wanna do that. But the difference is that is what's driving you and it's really it's a mind-generated thought, but it never. It's not, and we'll get to inspired with that in a second. It's just this, I don't know how to explain it in there. It's just like a you can feel. If you stop and pay attention, you can feel that there's a different part of you driving it and it almost feels like I mean, eckhart Tolle would say the pain body would driving it right. It's like many speech teachers would just call it like the ego or the psyche driving those decisions. And if you stop and pay attention and ask the intent behind it, and it's like most of the time what we're doing.

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If any egoic thought will always come from somehow or some way, I'm not okay, meaning I feel like I need to get something to feel good. I feel I need to avoid something to feel good, or some combination of that, and then I take action based on the lacking that I'm feeling. Again, the lacking can be man. I just had this really wonderful success and now I feel I need to keep it. And so now you're scared to keep it right. You may have just won the lottery and you're going how do I keep the money, how do I keep people from suing me? Because people that have a liquidity event, 55% of the time they're also sued. I don't know if people know that Every 55% of people have a liquidity event, some sort of big sale, are also sued or asked for money in some sort of way or manner afterwards. So again. So then people go well, how do I hold onto it? And so then again, just from that event, now, all of a sudden, you have to hold onto it and protect it and protect this image. So then it just becomes this now you're starting to take action to protect the fact that you even achieved this whole thing, and so that's how you can tell.

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I like how you said it to Caitlin was like there's always an action or a doing that has to happen. From it Inspired thought. Right, when you think of inspired thought, it's like a cautious contact with everything. It's a visceral feeling. It usually for me, the way I describe is ego thought usually comes from the left side of your mind at least it does for me, like thought always generates from the left side of the brain and kind of moves in that direction, from left to right, and you can kind of see it in there. Inspired thought is a much more of a movement Like the better way.

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I think people could probably experience this if you ever had like an aha moment where it's like somebody tells you something Right A hundred times and all of a sudden you go I get it, yeah, I got it, I really get it. And you go. You go, yeah, I just have to live below my means, I get it now or whatever it is, and you go yeah, I know, I get it too and you know, but I really really get it now. What's the difference?

18:56 - Caitlin (Host)

It's almost like you feel it in your whole body, body whole body sensation.

19:00 - Adam (Host)

It's where everything comes together and it's not. And then when you get it, there really may or may not be anything to do about it. At that point it doesn't mean that you take action or do worship. Is involved the fact that once you get that inspired thought, it's not about okay, I need to rush out and go do something. Because of it. You may end up doing something, you may not, but the inspired thought, as it relates to action, will be oh, I've got this movement and what will happen, naturally, is this clarity sets in and that clarity, if you want to call it, do worship, you can, but it's really just about the next thing that's in your path. It's not even about, it's not even a thought of I need to go do this. It's just there.

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It's kind of like that flow state that people get into Like I love to use the example of like whenever like you're skiing or playing golf or even presenting right, so it doesn't have to be athletics Like if you, if you're presenting, or whether you're in front of a class or you know you're, you know presenting to your family or whatever it is you're doing, you get in that moment and it's just like you're not really thinking about what you're going to say, necessarily, why you're saying it. You're just, you're speaking it and it's coming from your mind. You're speaking it and it's coming out in that moment. The same thing happens when you're skiing and you're in a flow state. You're in the middle of the woods, you're just moving, but you're not really thinking about moving. So it's do worship without thinking and you're just, you're literally acting. And then the minute you start thinking about what you're trying to say, why you're saying it on stage, you will mess up. The minute you start thinking about which move I'm going to make. When a middle of the woods is when you miss the step or you miss the, the turn and all of a sudden you have to stop and go. Wow, that was a while right. Whatever, it is right. The minute thought comes in there.

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You know, audie Shanti has a great example of this Um, and I think it was in volume two or volume one of end of your world, where he cites when he talks about rock climbing. Do you remember this example? So he was, he was rock climbing and he was uh. For those that don't know, audie Shanti is a um, a wonderful spirits teacher, and it was also very uh competitive um bike racer and and mountain and rock climber. And so he was like 200, 300 feet up above this rock and he was lead and he was like there's 20 feet of gap on the rope, which means that it was a 40 foot fall Right, so he was 20 feet above the the the mark and so if he fell he would fall past the mark another 20 feet, so it was a 40 foot drop essentially.

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And he got to this position right before the top where he tried to think through how to get through this whole thing and he tells this whole story.

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He's sitting there in for about 12 minutes, he's trying to figure out how to get through there and all of a sudden he's realizing he's coming physically fatigued, right, his body physically can't really hold on in this position anymore and he's literally facing physical death. Right, he's in there and he's telling the story and he said and probably the last 15 seconds that I had to physically hold on. He said it was like something overrode his system and there was no longer thought and he just moved. It was spontaneous action in the moment, so one could say it was thought, but he said there was no thought there, I just moved. And he said the path became very clear and he was able to do it and he got up and he's told that story many times about the difference, again, between egoic thought Now I'm bringing that into this egoic thought or more inspired thought, which is just pure action in action. Does that make sense?

22:13 - Caitlin (Host)

It does. Yeah, what comes to mind is I feel like there's almost two versions of Inspired Thought. A little bit there's like the in the moment Inspired Thought, but what about like the insight you have for your business or your life or your and I've heard you say or, but you talked about, like when you were moving to Stowe and how you had that thought many times, but you sat with it and you didn't make that decision, but it kept coming back up and then eventually the pieces just fell into place on their own and so, yeah, is there the like Inspired Thought when you are doing a speaking event or the Adishante example? And is there this other type of Inspired Thought? I don't-.

22:54 - Adam (Host)

Yeah, yeah, you know, it's almost like I don't even like to use the word thought in there, because every time the thought came in as an example, to move to Stowe, I would literally let the thought go. And then what eventually happened was I just, like you said, just found yourself moving down the Stowe, and it's kind of like the same thing. There's nothing wrong with using your mind to plan, or once you decided, that is like okay, great, we need to figure out, we have to sell our house and know how we have to enroll our kids. So you use your mind to engage in that type of stuff. But the action, the big action in itself, was really just you finding yourself just moving and then all of a sudden we're in a car and I'm like we should move to Stowe. Like it wasn't, it wasn't like a premeditative, like I'm gonna script this out. There's nothing wrong with doing that, it was just much more in motion. You know Michael Singer talks a lot about this is like you just find yourself getting married, you just find yourself in business. You just find yourself, you know, writing an email out there, and it's not like you just are lost floating around. That's not what you're saying, it's just in each moment. You find yourself interacting with the moment and you're raising the moment the best that it can. Now that may look like you've been strategic about those things, but the reality is is again, you can have a strategic calendar, you can have you know, times, you're recording podcasts, you can have all that stuff and you can use your mind to set those things, but you just find yourself somebody inviting you to a podcast. You find yourself, you know, being asked to go present somewhere. You find yourself, you know, with your, you know five year old having a meltdown, right.

24:19

You just find yourself dealing with these situations and in each one of these, if you allow yourself to get involved, like how it's affecting you, that's when egoic thought will always show up, because it's always then about. Egoic thought is just another way of saying how can I make this disturbance inside go away through the actions in the outer world? That's really what people are saying is I don't feel okay, so therefore I'm gonna create and the thoughts are gonna come in to tell me how to overcome and get rid of this disturbance. That's inside. That's really it right? That's the egoic thought definition, which is, again, it's this I'm not okay inside Somehow, I'm disturbed. Either I made a bunch of money and I'm trying to keep it, or I don't know how to make it again, or I just lost money and I'm gonna ruin everything and everything in between, right, personal life, business life, all those things.

25:09

And then you take action. The action is born from the disturbance inside you, whereas inspired thought, inspired action, right action is what a lot of people would say is in the moment of just taking the action, because it's not about whether or not you're doing it to make you. Okay. This is really the whole line of the whole Gita right, the Bag of Agita, which is all about right action, right, and it's like okay, I'm supposed to go kill this person, right?

25:35

I mean, if you guys are familiar with the Bag of Agita, right, it means literally what Arjuna is being faced with Friends and family on the other side. They go oh, it's your nature, you have to go fight this. Whether it was only because his own egoic mind got in the way of saying I don't wanna do this, whereas in the moment it was like this is using that as a metaphor of basically going into this battle and having to fight his own friends and family. I know it sounds weird, but on both sides he was like that's the kind of analogy they use in the Bag of Agita, which is literally about taking the right action, regardless of whether or not it's egoically right, right or it fits your profile for the world or concepts for the world.

26:15 - Caitlin (Host)

So it's almost like egoic thought is of the mind. We talked about that and inspired thought, I mean, is almost misleading, because it's really just about living life taking the right action Like inspired thought. I think is almost the mind's way of saying oh that was my wonderful thought.

26:31 - Adam (Host)

Let me follow it. That's exactly right.

26:33 - Caitlin (Host)

But yeah, so I get that's kind of funny that we started this podcast about you know, inspired thought and it's like oh, it actually doesn't exist.

26:40 - Adam (Host)

but yeah, no, it is. It's a way of framing it for the external world in a way for people to comprehend this podcast. But I think people can. If you do the work and pay attention inside, you'll notice the difference. You'll see the difference and, by the way you will get, there will be plenty of times that egoic thought will show up in there and if people are really struggling until the difference, this is what I would tell you to do is go follow the thought and just pay attention to whether or not this solves your problem. And what you'll see is, if it's an egoic thought and you're following it, it'll leave you restless, it'll leave you disturbed, still in some state. If it's an inspired thought, there is no residue. It's like writing on water it's there for the moment for you to serve and then it's gone.

27:28 - Caitlin (Host)

It reminds me of a quote from Albert Einstein that I think is helpful in just separating them, but it says here he said the intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors a servant and has forgotten the gift. And so it's like the inspired thought is like really should be the leader and the other rational mind should be helping us just make, helping us make the right action, yeah.

28:01 - Adam (Host)

Yeah, and then it's like you know one of the examples in like real life, right, it's like, okay, you have this flash of what feels like business inspiration. That's like the other thing I get Right.

28:09

This idea to do it? How do you determine if I should act on this? I mean, that's really like, should I go down this thing? Like, should I really? I had this great idea. I was on stage yesterday doing this fireside chat and I was like you know, one of the reasons why I hired these two seasoned individuals is because if you ever need a really good thought, I've got plenty of them. But what I failed in doing is actually making sure each one of those thoughts is executed properly, because I always have great thoughts. Right.

28:31

Visionaries are a lot of us that are leaders, always have wonderful thought. That's in there and we actually get inspired by that thought. I use that word purposely because it makes us feel good of thinking that we're going to go accomplish those things. The key is what? For me, anyways, what I do and this is just my own experience, and you take this as you, as you will is I instantly go well, what is the real intent for me doing this?

28:55

Behind this and that's why I always just bring that question in there is, like, what is my intent? And, if I'm really honest with myself, the majority of those thoughts it's somehow to enhance my concept. It's somehow to get more money. Now, there's nothing wrong with money, right, there's not wrong with it, but it's. If it's purely to get more money, then that is an egoic thought. Now, again, that's not a popular answer and people go well, aren't I supposed to get money? There's nothing wrong with getting money, we're not saying that at all. But, just like anything else, it'll show up, right, it'll show up if you're, if you're doing the right things and again, there's a lot of using money or anything you want to do that way.

29:33

But that's where, that's where that, that's where that difference really shows up. So it's like that flash insight is you always ask the question what is my true intention behind this? You don't have to ask it out loud, you just reflect on it inside. This is more of a reflection for, like, if I'm just trying to put myself in that situation of what I, when I'm going through inside there, it's more of a reflection of going yeah, this is really about wanting to be better than that person, or this is really about Mike. Then somebody would say well, isn't that just being competitive? I'm a competitive person, I'm sure I'm not wrong being competitive, but again, are you being competitive as a way to make yourself feel better. It always comes back to that, and we know what makes yourself feel better.

30:10

It's trying to get rid of that, whereas the more the deeper work that you do, the more that you can release some scars or be you know in the moment or closer to paying it and just paying more attention to this thought, the less it'll have its hold on you and then you really start to see so clearly that man, I was sucked into this for a long time. I was so glued to all of this and it becomes clearer and clearer and undisguised, like again, every spiritual or you know book for the thousands of years has basically said when you do the work, it'll be clear, right, like that's literally what in some form or fashion, that's what they've said. And it does. It just becomes clear. You realize, wow, it's kind of like. There's I use this to my daughter a day. She was like because she was like no, I know this and she's 11, right so, but trying to tell her that she doesn't know that, I said here's an example. I said Maddie, her sister is seven. I said I forget exactly what Maddie did. I was like you know how Maddie thought that that was what she was doing and you're like that's clearly not her. Like she could. Maddie wasn't at a brain capacity to really understand the difference of what the situation would be better If I can remember exactly what it was. And Sienna was like oh, now I get it because she could really see. That's like that's not how it happened, maddie, and we knew it too, but Maddie's mind that's how that's what it was right, cause that's the way she, her developed age, was at. And Sienna, I go, sienna, so that's the same thing. When I'm telling you or giving you advice on some of these things is the same way that you see it, and you're trying to give advice to Maddie, and then she's like, oh, I get that because I'm like, so then for us it's the same way.

31:44

When you know, people listening were 16. You thought you knew everything. How about when you were 30? You still thought you knew everything. How about when you're 40, you still thought you knew everything. And everything becomes clear and clear. Well then then you should fall into grace with the fact that you don't know anything, because every year, every time something goes on, you become clearer and clearer, and and and that the more clarity you have, the clearer everything becomes, and that allows you to live a more life that's, you know, if you want to use inspired thought or the right action, is used a lot in kind of spiritual you know books in in kind of clues left behind.

32:23

Which is this right action? In transcendent meditation, that's what they teach you. A lot is like how to have right action, which is conscious action, which is action within nature, and that action feels purely I'm not going to say spontaneous, but it just feels purely an alignment. There is no attachment to it anymore. So then you just you're just interacting with it and so therefore there's not a need for it to go a certain way. And sure, there's nothing wrong with like, okay, I've set a goal out and I'd like to see it accelerate or succeed or different things like that.

32:53

But you're not, you're not doing it purely for that need. Right, it's not wrong about having goals and business or different things. But the difference becomes is there just isn't the desire for the need to be there, and so it's so difficult to explain because the need just isn't really even there. It's just not there for you to think about that. There's a need, but it still could look like you're being focused on the goals. So anyways, that's just. Again, it's it's people have to experiences for themselves. I mean, words can only take you so far, yeah.

33:20 - Caitlin (Host)

It's like it's the journey right. It's moving from the egoic thought to the inspired right action.

33:27 - Adam (Host)

We'll enjoy your journey. It's beautiful.