Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers, as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

Laura and Xhafer recast Crusade for the inevitable reboot. Meanwhile, the Excalibur crew discovers the Drakh Plague has made it off Earth among a colony of rogue cyber-soldiers in Crusade: Episode 5 - Patterns of the Soul.

Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're the Babylon 5 watch cast by

a couple of former strangers, now

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friends, who are still getting to know

each other over one of their favorite

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shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

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I'm

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Xhafer: And I'm Jaffer.

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Laura: and today I'd like to ask

Ja'far a very important question.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: Because we know that the Babylon

5 reboot is imminent any day now.

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Xhafer: Right.

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Totally not just stalled

out in reboot hell.

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Laura: Definitely, probably not.

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And obviously Crusade is going

to be a thing after the Babylon 5

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reboot that is wildly successful.

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So, if you were going to reboot

Crusade, how would you cast it?

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Xhafer: I thought a lot about this because

obviously this is something that we,

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you know, we're not doing off the dome.

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Laura: Definitely not.

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Xhafer: definitely not.

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What kind of podcasters would we

be if we just came up with a bit

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30 seconds before we hit record?

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Laura: Never.

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So unprofessional.

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Xhafer: be so incredibly unprofessional,

I would never stoop to that level.

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I know you're a pro, so we're,

we're not doing that for sure.

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But if I did have to come up with some

recasting, um, for Gideon, I want someone.

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That has a commanding presence, you know,

I want someone that can tell someone

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to go fuck themselves without using

those words many ways over, but also I

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want someone who can do a little bit of

mystery and I want someone who can just

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kind of pull a solution out of their ass.

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Right.

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And when I think about those

qualities in particular, that

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last one, there's only one name.

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There's a pro in that game and

that's Richard Dean Anderson.

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Laura: Excellent.

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Yeah, I like that poll.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Richard Dean Anderson.

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Xhafer: Who are you thinking for Gideon?

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Laura: Well, there's only one.

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obvious choice for me,

and that is Gary Cole.

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Xhafer: Yeah, that's fair.

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Laura: I mean,

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Xhafer: do it.

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Laura: yeah, look at this man.

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He's still alive.

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Well, he's 67, so he's going to bring

a gravitas to it that he didn't before,

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but some of his, like, experienced

bad boy gets the job done will be a

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little more believable at this age.

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He's still got.

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a great head of hair, if you

see some of his recent pictures.

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So I think that's all we need,

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Xhafer: Yeah, the hair is important.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Yeah.

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Well, what would you do for Matheson?

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Okay.

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Xhafer: want someone who is

confident, but not overtly.

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So I want them to have a like

underlying kind of anxiety, right?

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I want them to, I want it to be

a little bit more believable.

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Maybe they don't really feel entirely

sure of their position, but they're there

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and they're going to make the most of it.

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Um, someone who probably a bit

older than our uh, Daniel Day Kim.

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You know, just someone maybe

a little bit more experienced.

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someone who's a bit of a nerd.

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Laura: Very important.

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Xhafer: And I think when I think

nerd who's kind of bumbling,

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but can pull it off and is also

like super built for no reason.

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I'm thinking Michael Shanks.

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Laura: And this is where I have

to Google that person because

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I can't make a joke about them.

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Okay.

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You got to tell me who he was on Stargate.

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Xhafer: Oh God fucking, what's his name?

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I don't know, I only watched 10

episodes of that fucking show.

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That's not true, I watched like 15.

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Um,

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Laura: Daniel Jackson.

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He was Daniel Jackson.

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Xhafer: DJ, that's right.

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Laura: Can you, can you elaborate

a little more on why his DJ

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ness makes him great for the

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Xhafer: His DJ makes him great for the

role because it's my weakest casting

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of the four and I'm doing a bit.

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Laura: Well, again, I have only one

person in mind for the role of Matheson.

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And that is the cheekbones of Daniel Day

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Xhafer: Oh yeah, those cheekbones.

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So

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important to that character.

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Laura: if you look at this actor

and we know some of his recent work,

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he's more than capable and I'm, I'm

just feeling like everyone in crusade

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needs a do over almost everyone.

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Xhafer: everyone.

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Laura: Who do you want to do next?

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Xhafer: Um, why don't we do Dr.

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Chambers?

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: So, Dr.

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Chambers.

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Again, I want someone who's believable

that they're going to save the world.

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Right.

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Cause I think.

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If Crusade had been allowed to run

its storyline in full, Chambers

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is the one who's gonna, like,

actually get the cure here, right?

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Like, Gideon and crew are going to

find it and lead the journey, but

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Chambers is the one who's gonna be all

like, No, this is actually the cure.

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No, this is how it works.

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Like, she's the person who's

gonna save the entire human race.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: And so I want someone that I

can believe is going to pull that off.

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So I need someone who has

a aura of intelligence.

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I need someone who has an aura of

confidence again, and I think Amanda

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Tapping would be excellent in this role.

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Laura: Yeah, of course.

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I've given my bit away a little

bit, in that I think everyone

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in Crusade needs a do over.

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Almost everyone in

Crusade needs a do over.

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But I think no one needs that do

over more than Marjean Holden.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Because Girlfriend got

robbed with this script, and this

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whole setup, and I think that she

needs a chance to do it again.

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And with some better material, which

always happens in reboots, right?

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Yeah, okay.

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Xhafer: So I think Ellerson was

the last name we'd thrown around.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Eilerson.

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Mm

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Xhafer: So for Max, I want

someone who can be an asshole.

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but, uh, still can get the job done.

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I need someone who can just kind

of like say things and it sounds

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like they make sense, but there's

no possible way he could know that.

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Laura: hmm.

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Xhafer: And when I think about

someone who feels that role,

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I think Christopher judge.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What a classic.

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So, Max Eilerson is the character that

does not deserve a do over, and I am

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writing him out of the reboot entirely.

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No Eilerson for anybody.

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Xhafer: no, you know,

that's a big improvement.

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Laura: Yeah, now it's a success.

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Xhafer: That's all we needed to do

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is just get

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Laura: Totally agree.

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Well, we've solved Crusade, I think.

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Xhafer: our, uh, Friend of

the pod, Austin uh, is really

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big in the fan edit community.

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Laura: Oh,

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Xhafer: he's that's a big hobby.

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His, I would love to see what he

would do with crusade if he were

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to try and get rid of Ellerson.

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Please don't

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Laura: your mission,

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Xhafer: Austin,

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Laura: your mission should you choose to

accept it, but you really don't have to.

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It's totally fine.

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Xhafer: don't.

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Laura: Yeah.

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into it.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: All right.

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Well, we unfortunately do have an

episode with Max Eilerson in front of

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Xhafer: We do.

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We've got three episodes of crusade left.

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The crusade to finish crusade rolls on.

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We have patterns of the soul.

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Does

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Laura: Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: that even make

sense for this episode?

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Laura: I was just

wondering the same thing.

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It even like, he likes to have his

like little poetic type titles, right.

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And there usually is a way that

they pretty obviously connect.

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I'm not picking it up here.

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Xhafer: nor am I, maybe I missed

a line somewhere, but are we open

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on, did you catch this, but we

open on like the immediate opening.

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Not, not the conversation, not the

sharing a name drop before that.

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Laura: There was a something,

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Xhafer: There's like seven

seconds of porn groove.

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Laura: Oh

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Xhafer: like really awkward music

choice, even for this show and

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it's terrible music choices.

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Laura: yeah.

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We've had some pretty

notable ones already.

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So yeah.

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Why not just open it up with the porn?

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Maybe they got the soundtrack

mixed up from that one episode

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that did open with literal porn.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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What is this TV show?

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How?

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Laura: What happened, guys?

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Xhafer: How?

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I forgot.

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Like, it's like a fever dream.

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You like, you say a thing that

happened in crusade and it's just all

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like, oh yeah, that, that did happen.

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Fuck.

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I'm already blocking it out of my brain.

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Laura: I'm, I know this

journey has been Mm, tedious

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. But I'm glad we're going on this

journey 'cause I, I am a bit of a

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completionist and so I did always

feel kind of like, well, I didn't

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ever, didn't ever actually watch

crusade and now I can say that I have

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Xhafer: Checked the box.

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famous gauge on which life is judged on.

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Laura: Yeah, this is uh, getting

scratched off the old bucket list, so.

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Xhafer: when Anubis grabs the scales,

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and the feather is placed, he's gonna look

at you and go, but did you finish Crusade?

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And you'll be able to say yes.

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Laura: yes I did, sir.

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Anubis is a sir, I think.

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Xhafer: Probably.

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Anubis.

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So Gideon's getting yelled

at by his boss here.

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He needs to go check if a colony

is infected with the plague

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so they can relocate them.

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We cut over to Max, who's also

getting yelled at by his boss for

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not giving the evil corporate things.

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Laura: Yeah, it's, you,

you're not doing enough evil.

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Like, be, be doing more evil, like,

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Do more evil, Max.

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Fuck.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I surprisingly didn't feel bad about

Eilerson getting his butt chewed.

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That was kind of fun.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: But then he goes to chew on

Gideon's butt some more because he's

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mad now that we're changing course

and he doesn't get to go do evil.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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We find out this colony is 30 people here.

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Laura: Yeah, not much of a colony.

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Xhafer: Yeah, they escaped

during the drug attack.

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Do you would, I don't know how

you call 30 people a colony.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: a rest stop.

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Laura: Yeah, it's like they're, they're

a contingent or something, but they're

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not a colony, and I question strongly

how they got out of earth as the drug,

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because it's the way they made it sound

is it's like, as the plague is being

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distributed, they're like taking off.

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And it's like, there were like a

lot of enemy ships around and there

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was like a big battle, like who

was letting them go through like

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the pre flight check sequence when

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Xhafer: there's a big there's

a big battle, right there.

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We find out they're all military.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: know, the captain dude served on

the battle of the line and everything.

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Right.

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Laura: Oh, that's true.

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So they're not like afraid of it.

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Xhafer: But also.

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Fuckin they talk about how they're all

from a different colony in this episode.

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How they were all living

on this biochem colony.

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What the fuck were they doing

on Earth during the attack?

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They all just happened to be there?

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Laura: there was a big conference

where they were showing off all their

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biochem stuff and you got to have your

subjects there to be poked and prodded.

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Xhafer: Ugh.

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Laura: I don't know.

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Yeah.

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So on the planet

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Xhafer: hmm.

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Laura: One of the human colonists is,

like, hassling some guy about rolling

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the stones and seeing poor tents, and,

you know, this guy's in his, like, hooded

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thing, and he's clearly very unwell

and he says that this guy has brought

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doom to his people and asks him to

leave him alone so he can die to theme.

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Xhafer: Yeah, the Rolling Stones are

bringing about all of their deaths.

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They're going to use the

nanovirus shield here to go down

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just in case they're infected.

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Laura: Glad we have some continuity

on that, that we're using the thing.

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Xhafer: So I wonder because if this was

supposed to be much earlier in the, this

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is much earlier in the original air order,

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Laura: Oh, is it?

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Xhafer: if this is supposed to be.

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A thing that we assume is happening

every time they go to one of these

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planets that has the possibility

of having had the plague on it.

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Laura: Yeah, like these dead worlds,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: virus shielding the whole time.

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Xhafer: and we're just to assume

it because we see it here.

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Laura: Yeah, great question.

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Xhafer: You would need

something like that in the plot.

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I would think

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Laura: Yeah.

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For some reason we're going to

send Gideon down to do this, like,

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Xhafer: Captain goes on away missions.

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This ain't Star Trek.

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Laura: He confronts the colony

leader who doesn't believe

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that they could be infected.

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Xhafer: this is Robert Black played by

Brian Thompson Who's a real that guy?

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Laura: Oh yeah.

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Tell me

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Xhafer: I clocked him immediately as

Shao Kahn in Mortal Kombat Annihilation,

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one of the worst movies ever made.

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Laura: Beautiful.

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He does have a look like he

could be in mortal combat.

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Xhafer: he's in all kinds of stuff,

the other thing Beth immediately

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recognized him as Luke from Buffy.

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Laura: Ah, okay.

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Xhafer: So he's, he's got

a laundry list on IMDB.

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He agrees to do a blood sample when

Darina finds out that she has the

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same loaf as the old stones guy.

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He sends her to their village.

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It's a big, big to do for her.

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She thought she was the

last of her peoples.

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Laura: Yes.

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We did find that out in

call to arms, I think.

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Yeah.

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And uh, this guy thinks that she's

some kind of prophet of course, like

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we always think that in this sort

of situation but Gideon tells black

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that he does need to return to earth.

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Tim, I think is the one who's

extremely mad about this,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yes, this is

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Laura: to go back black tells him,

well, you know, we may have like

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doomed the other people on this planet.

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The like actual tribe that

they call themselves, I think.

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Xhafer: They're words.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And he says, you know, the

captain probably knows.

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That's what we are anyway.

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Like they've probably told him

everything, which no, they, of

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course they didn't but Tim does not

want to go back and be a lab rat.

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Xhafer: No.

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No, they talk about who and

what they are very obliquely.

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Ooh.

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Laura: spooky.

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Max babbles some Bible stuff at Gideon.

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That's what I wrote here.

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Cause I did not understand what was

happening between Max and Gideon.

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Xhafer: He is claiming

that ignorance is bliss.

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This is basically that

one scene from The Matrix

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Laura: Uh, The Matrix

probably did it better.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: Darina scales a

cliff, which looks super

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Xhafer: Who?

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Okay.

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This drove me mad.

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So she has to like climb this

giant cliff face to get up there.

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Right?

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Laura: always climbing shit, have you

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Xhafer: How did that old guy get down?

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The guy who can't walk?

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How, how do you get down this cliff face?

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If this is the only way up to the village,

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: how do they do anything?

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There's not a lot of space up here.

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Laura: but Doreen is just, she

has to always be climbing shit.

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So we don't forget that she's the

rogue, you know, cause they had

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her climb that one building where

she went across the light bridge.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: to climb the, uh, the home

of the lady of the bong water.

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We're climbing up this cliff right now.

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Yeah it's a little bit overused, perhaps.

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Uh, Gideon calls home and gets

yelled at some more for giving

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the colonists time to pack.

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Xhafer: he starts digging

in some records after this

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Laura: Yeah, he's suspicious.

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Xhafer: top secret, unauthorized,

Hey, we know you're not the dude.

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You have to say the second password now.

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Kind of a thing.

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What kind of system is that?

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Laura: I was gonna say, this feels

like a password security rant coming

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Xhafer: Can you imagine if your

MFA failed and it was just all

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like another password, please.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Can I tell you something adorable?

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I love academics.

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They're the most hilarious people

sometimes, often not on purpose.

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And one of my professors there's this uh,

system for, how, how should I describe it?

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Uh, It's from the Wharton school at

University of Pennsylvania that they

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put up a whole bunch of data stuff

and you sign into it and you get

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data sets to run analysis and stuff.

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It's all like Compustat

and Audit Analytics.

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They're like public kind of things

repositories of public information.

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And they recently, started that

multi factor authentication.

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And twice now I have watched this

professor, like do the sign in, in class.

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And then he forgets that it's

going to call him and he's

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like, who is this calling me,

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like genuinely, like.

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I can't believe someone's calling

me in class right now and we're

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like, it's the, it's the MFA

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professor.

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Xhafer: computer.

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The computer's the one calling you.

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The call's coming from

inside the classroom.

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Laura: It's adorable.

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I love it.

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Anyway, moving on uh,

Yeah, so that's weird

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that we've got the super secret passwords.

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Um,

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Xhafer: Yeah, it's so fuckin weird.

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We find out the colonists

are infected very early here.

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Laura: yeah,

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Xhafer: it is not a mystery.

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And so Gideon also starts digging

through the ship's logs, see where

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they've been, who they've talked

to, where they stopped Doreena gets

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the skinny from her lost tribe.

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Once again, their words.

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Laura: Basically they were

slaves of another race, I think.

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I think they said that their, their

people were being taken by others and

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their ship was destroyed in orbit.

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So we get to see the story.

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I don't think they know this, but

we see that the shadows destroyed

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their ship while it was in orbit.

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And, you know, so they, I assume,

got on life pods or whatever

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and made a home here.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: I wish we knew who the

other race was that enslaved them.

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Xhafer: Just give me a little bit more.

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Laura: Because you think like,

oh, could it have been the Drak?

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But why would the

Shadows destroy the ship?

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Maybe, maybe it was a

Vorlon associated race.

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But would the Vorlons,

they do slave things?

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I don't know.

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Xhafer: Probably.

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They're shitbags.

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Laura: They're all bad, right?

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Xhafer: They're all terrible.

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Who the fuck knows?

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It doesn't

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Laura: Yeah, or maybe the shadows

are just doing their like evolution

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through chaos thing and so

they're like shooting their own

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Allies

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Xhafer: they were pissed that they

were taken in the first place, and

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they came around to blow them up after

they had destroyed the homeworld.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: no survivors.

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Some of that shit.

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I don't know.

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Chambers confirms Gideon's

concern that the colonists

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were infected, After escaping?

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Laura: Yeah, she finds like a CD ROM.

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Oh, no, wait, that's actually food in

the trash and colonists had left earth

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before the plague but they were given

it through the food that they bought.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Just bizarre.

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Um, like, it doesn't make sense, but I

mean, it does in the terms of the plot,

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but like, why you would Even risk this,

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: just seems

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so foolhardy.

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Laura: Yeah, especially like the

whole point of quarantining earth

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is to keep this shit in one place

and we don't infect anything else

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and the risk of like sending

it to get at someone else as a.

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Also a weapon.

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I don't know.

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It's just mad, madness.

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Why would you do this thing?

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Cause that so easily

gets out of your hands.

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Like, somebody's like, ooh, food

crate, steals a food crate, you know?

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And then,

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it's all

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Xhafer: And, and then Minbar is

infected now because linear got

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into a food supply and gave it to

a homeless person or some shit.

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Like it's just, it's just so fucking dumb.

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It's so dumb.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Doreena has called Dr.

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Chambers to come check out her people.

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She has not told anybody.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: that these are her people and that

she's found other sentient life forms.

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She just said she needs her to

check out some native life, and

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she wants to get them tested to

see if they have the virus as well.

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Xhafer: Yeah, which, of course they do.

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Laura: Of course they do.

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Xhafer: Uh, They already know.

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They don't need to be tested.

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The stones have already told them.

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Laura: So on her way back, Dr.

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Chambers gets jumped by Tim.

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He's not gonna go back.

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He starts to give up the ghost

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on it.

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No, that's not what,

that's not the phrase.

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Xhafer: It is a phrase.

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Give up the ghost?

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That's a phrase.

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I I don't think

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Laura: That's when you die, though.

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Xhafer: It's a I mean, it's

kind of a I think it's a like a

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resignation of the inevitable.

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Laura: Okay.

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We'll go with that.

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Xhafer: Uh,

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Laura: Whatever it is, he's given it up.

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Xhafer: given it up.

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Laura: he's informs us that

they're all cybernetic beings,

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Xhafer: Mm-Hmm.

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Laura: And pretty mad about it.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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They uh, kidnap, he kidnaps Dr.

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Chambers here.

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Dorino like catches up, gets

like instantly thrown away,

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and then they just keep going.

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It's like.

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Laura: she's good, but she's not beat

the cyber being good, unfortunately.

504

Xhafer: This is so pointless.

505

In, in wrestling parlance,

we'd call this bad booking.

506

All this does is make the character we

care about look weak without any chance

507

for her to like come back from it.

508

Laura: Yeah.

509

Mm hmm.

510

Xhafer: So,

511

Laura: I wish she could

have done something clever.

512

Xhafer: right.

513

I wish she could have done anything

besides be sad this episode.

514

I mean, she's got plenty of stuff

to be sad about but it feels like.

515

You might be madder at the humans who

have now infected the last survivors

516

of your people after finding out that

you were not alone in the galaxy.

517

You might want to take that out on them.

518

You might not be chill

and passive about it.

519

Laura: She's had a lot of agency taken

away from her in this episode, which

520

I think is kind of a beef I have with,

like, 90s male sci fi writers when

521

they do a strong female character.

522

With quotes around it.

523

Xhafer: Strong on those

air quotes on that strong.

524

Laura: Yeah.

525

They, they want to make her into a

badass, but then they just yank like

526

all of her agency away at some point

527

because it's convenient for their story.

528

Very

529

Xhafer: Yeah.

530

If Gideon can't save the day,

let it later in this episode.

531

Then what's the point of any of it?

532

The

533

Laura: Uh, So Robert Black tells us

he was at the Battle of the Line,

534

Xhafer: yeah.

535

Laura: And then got ducked in bioweapons.

536

Xhafer: He was a big old trying

to be a big old hero as a young

537

kid in the military and just.

538

Ends up not having a great time.

539

Laura: Yeah.

540

I feel like that's a tale as old as time.

541

It's a great way to make a name for

yourself until things actually happen.

542

Mm

543

Xhafer: Yep.

544

While this conversation is

going on Tim takes off on their

545

shuttle with a handful of people.

546

I guess 30 people fit on this shuttle.

547

Laura: That's a big shuttle.

548

Xhafer: It's just the

normal shuttle though.

549

Like if you look at it, it's just the

same old shuttle we see all the time.

550

Laura: I bet it has a basketball court.

551

Xhafer: Well, it does have artificial

gravity and the same bridge as

552

an earth force destroyer, despite

it just being the normal shuttle.

553

So

554

probably.

555

Laura: shuttle.

556

Yeah.

557

Xhafer: normal shuttle.

558

It's, it is this level of stuff

that drives me mad because Babylon

559

5 was giving so much attention to

detail on this shit and Crusade just

560

can't be bothered to give a fuck.

561

That's actually my problem

with the whole show.

562

It just can't be bothered.

563

Laura: Yeah.

564

So Darina calls Gideon

and lets him know that Dr.

565

Chambers is a hostage on that shuttle.

566

So

567

maybe don't just like shoot it down.

568

Xhafer: So he shoots it down.

569

Laura: Yeah, he shoots it down.

570

And then Black and Darina

talk about their situation.

571

He lost the love of his life to these

implants and they just want to be free.

572

but then they're interrupted

by the explosion in the sky.

573

Xhafer: Yeah, Gideon hails the

general, they FaceTime for a minute

574

and he shows them the destruction

of the ship, but it's all a ruse,

575

even, even though technically it's not a

fake, he did blow up that shuttle, which

576

is, I guess, important, but, whatever.

577

It's not, he's, he, he gets them.

578

Laura: Yeah.

579

The tape is epic.

580

Uh, So, he does tell the general

after he's like, yeah, I blew

581

their asses out of the sky.

582

Um, but hey, this is weird.

583

They definitely weren't

infected when they left earth.

584

They got infected on the

way to this planet somehow.

585

Xhafer: happenstance.

586

Laura: Yeah.

587

Maybe somebody should look into that.

588

What do you think general?

589

Xhafer: Yeah, we will send our

best people on it right away.

590

You should definitely not do that.

591

Also, go on a different mission now, bye.

592

Laura: Yeah, no, he doesn't

even say we'll put people on it.

593

He's like, nah, there's no investigation

necessary needed into that.

594

Like, that's what you

should have said, right?

595

Oh yes.

596

We will get a team on that, but

you guys have other shit to do.

597

Go do that other shit.

598

But.

599

Instead, he says the

more suspicious thing.

600

Xhafer: Yeah.

601

I'm going to be lazy with my conspiracy.

602

Ah, yes.

603

Heh.

604

Laura: Yeah.

605

So Gideon tells the colonists that

he's going to leave a satellite

606

at this planet to warn others away

since the plague has jumped species.

607

That satellite will also make sure

nobody leaves, so don't try to do that.

608

Xhafer: it'd be bad.

609

Laura: And then on the way back,

he and Doreena kind of have a

610

conversation about truth, I guess.

611

she wants to know how uh, he

found out about the cybernetics.

612

Like, where'd you get that information?

613

That's very interesting.

614

Xhafer: gotta do a little

tradesy here to build the trust.

615

Laura: Yeah.

616

Xhafer: And he kind of tells her,

I mean, I guess he tells her in

617

a way that would matter for her.

618

Cause it's not like he's gonna

name drop the general who got

619

too drunk and fucked up at cards.

620

Laura: I'm really curious

about this though.

621

Xhafer: I wish we knew

our generals better.

622

I feel like in a, like, In a next gen

where we know all of the Admiral's names.

623

This could be really fun to know

that like Nechayev got super

624

drunk playing cards one time.

625

Laura: To give up her

626

Xhafer: yeah, but for us here,

it's so fucking pointless.

627

Laura: Yeah.

628

He won the, the security codes in a poker

629

game.

630

maybe we just really wanted to

establish the poker so that the

631

apocalypse box made more sense.

632

I love saying that.

633

I love bringing up the box anytime.

634

But yeah, I wonder if that was going

to be a point later, like maybe we were

635

going to meet that general someday.

636

Xhafer: that would make sense.

637

I hope so.

638

Laura: He's got to still be

639

alive,

640

Xhafer: maybe in our

script reading, we'll find

641

out.

642

Laura: that'll come up.

643

you know, he's got to still be alive

or those codes wouldn't be active.

644

Right.

645

Xhafer: Yeah.

646

Laura: You hope,

647

Xhafer: Dr.

648

Chambers gives Mac shit for

being a corporate shill.

649

Laura: you know, for as much as

we brought it up at the beginning,

650

And the end of this episode,

651

there was really nothing to do with Max

being a corporate shill in this episode.

652

Like, everybody's just giving

him a hard time, kind of apropos

653

of nothing, which is weird.

654

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

655

Laura: Yeah, so he confronts

her about Darina's people.

656

He's kind of figured that out.

657

I don't know if he was looking at her

notes or just figured out something

658

about the mission records, or I

659

don't remember.

660

Very forgettable, whatever it was.

661

And she refuses to like take the bait.

662

She's not gonna.

663

give this information up, even

though she did tell Gideon, right?

664

Yeah, she did.

665

That's how we got here.

666

And Darina goes to visit Chambers

to apologize, I think, for her anger

667

on the planet's surface, or I don't

know why she's apologizing exactly.

668

Xhafer: I don't know.

669

So much of this doesn't make sense.

670

Laura: Uh, but Chambers forgives her

and does let her know that because

671

her people had this virus before.

672

The virus is more effective on them.

673

Xhafer: Yeah.

674

Laura: And so it's only going

to take one year for them.

675

And after that, they will all perish.

676

Xhafer: Big sads.

677

Laura: Big sads, especially because

like, you know, we know Earth has.

678

Four years, five years, really.

679

But you know, Gideon's going

to have to come home after four

680

because of a weird promise he made.

681

So it's like, what happens

to the show after one year?

682

If we don't, I don't know.

683

Xhafer: Yeah, if they don't cure the

plague in a year and we just know that

684

Jarena's people are dead somewhere.

685

Laura: yeah.

686

I wonder if this was the show

saying, don't worry, it's not going

687

to be four seasons of plague stuff.

688

Like we're just going to get through this

and then we'll figure out something else.

689

Okay guys,

690

like we're not going to

let all these people die.

691

Xhafer: All twelve of them.

692

That have been there for generations.

693

It seems like

694

Laura: I think they said that, yeah.

695

Xhafer: can't, like, maybe a

couple generations, but like,

696

if you have not enough people,

697

Laura: Mm hmm.

698

You get a genetic problem eventually,

699

Xhafer: right, pretty quickly, yeah,

700

Laura: Yeah.

701

Xhafer: so,

702

Laura: Oh.

703

Xhafer: maybe the loaf

is all Habsburg chins,

704

Laura: Oh, that's kind of sad.

705

I hope they don't have

any, like, hemophilia or

706

Xhafer: yeah, I don't, I want the

best for these imaginary people.

707

Laura: Me too.

708

Especially since they

got a pretty raw deal.

709

Xhafer: They sure did.

710

Laura: They had to be in Crusade.

711

Um, so

712

Xhafer: That's definitely the

worst thing that happened to them.

713

Well, well, that's an episode.

714

We did it.

715

We got through another one.

716

Laura: Oh, I forgot to give Mr.

717

Eilerson his credit, though.

718

At the very end, he calls home to IPX.

719

And he records his report,

and he makes his tattletale

720

line to out Darina's people.

721

But that he Thinks about it and

deletes it to credits, And I don't

722

think we have any ridiculous music

for me to point out this time,

723

Xhafer: Yeah.

724

Laura: this time.

725

Xhafer: All right.

726

Well, we agreed to do this rating

system like two years ago, so we

727

should probably do the rating system

728

Laura: Hmm.

729

Xhafer: of one to four main guns firing.

730

Actually, I'm going to rephrase that

with a maximum of four main guns firing,

731

Laura: Yeah.

732

I don't think the bacon

guns are firing Jaffer.

733

I think they, that the uh,

gunner has fallen asleep.

734

Xhafer: right?

735

Laura: I think he's out cold.

736

Xhafer: this the worst episode?

737

I don't think we've given

anything a zero before.

738

I don't think either of us have ever

given anything a zero and I think we're

739

about to Double O this thing, aren't we?

740

Laura: the, the only time we have

diverted from, you know, The scale

741

like completely with not numerical

stuff is either like this is the best

742

episode or the fuck this episode, right?

743

Xhafer: Is this a, is this

an inverse fuck this episode?

744

Because the fuck this episode

is a fuck this episode.

745

Not because it's bad or terrible, but

because, well, at least for me, it makes

746

me feel things that I don't want to

feel this episode makes me feel nothing.

747

Laura: Yeah.

748

Yeah.

749

What would that be?

750

Xhafer: This is like the

clinical depression of episodes.

751

Laura: This is like, to me, for

me, it's like, like white bread and

752

I don't mean it in like the, the

insult that colloquial in the world

753

right now is, you know, just like

754

Xhafer: Oh no, this is a mayonnaise

sandwich on Wonder Bread.

755

This is bland as shit.

756

Laura: Yeah.

757

It's just, there's no taste to it.

758

It's kind of, you know how white

bread, like when you squish it,

759

it gets icky gross, like doughy.

760

Like,

761

Xhafer: I don't want to sound like

a pretentious asshole, but I don't

762

eat a lot of American bread almost.

763

Laura: seen it.

764

You've

765

Xhafer: I know what you're talking about.

766

I, I, after, after I had the real stuff,

767

I just can't eat our shitty

American bread anymore.

768

It's

769

Laura: I've never gone, yeah.

770

Xhafer: You have to, you have to just,

771

Laura: No, no, no, I mean,

772

I've, I've never gone back.

773

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

774

Once you start baking your own bread

775

Laura: Yeah.

776

Xhafer: or have access to a bakery

that makes real shit, it just,

777

it's just such a difference.

778

So it doesn't last four weeks.

779

Oh no.

780

Laura: Yeah.

781

If it, if it takes you four

weeks to eat it, like, that's.

782

Xhafer: Right.

783

You don't like bread enough, I guess.

784

Laura: I heard one that was really

good that probably other people who

785

listen to this podcast have already

heard this, but I hadn't heard it.

786

And it's, that sounds like

an ish you, not an ish me.

787

I really liked that one.

788

Xhafer: Is that something

the kids are saying?

789

Laura: Maybe cause I did get

it from a high school teacher.

790

So could

791

Xhafer: All

792

Laura: be the kids.

793

Xhafer: I don't remember that from this

last year's PowerPoint presentations,

794

but we had a lovely one given by uh,

your podcasting partner on cool girls and

795

my podcasting partner's spouse on last

time on Gloria, um, gave one on all of

796

the slang the kids are using these days

797

Laura: Yeah.

798

Xhafer: because she is

also a high school teacher.

799

Laura: have to run this one by her.

800

See if it passes the vibe test.

801

Yeah.

802

Yeah.

803

Yeah.

804

Xhafer: that goes.

805

Laura: Yeah.

806

Xhafer: So, okay.

807

So we're just, we're, we're,

we're double O ing this thing.

808

Are we going

809

to make

810

Laura: I think

811

Xhafer: thing for the scale?

812

Laura: we're, just, we've compared it to

a bunch of bad things like white bread.

813

Uh, so I think this is it, man.

814

I think we, we have diverted from the

scale not to do something interesting,

815

but to say like literally zero guys.

816

Xhafer: let's just skip this one.

817

Laura: It's bad.

818

Xhafer: were to watch, if you would only

be able to skip one episode of all of

819

Babylon 5, I'd probably suggest this one.

820

Laura: Yeah.

821

You know, I, it reminds me of, I think

it was an episode of next generation.

822

Where a planet had made, but like a

bunch of super soldiers and then the

823

super soldiers like turned on them.

824

Xhafer: Isn't that where Tasha Yar is

from or is that just a different episode?

825

Laura: I could, I don't

know next generation well

826

enough to like, make any

827

any further

828

Xhafer: haven't watched Next Gen

in like a long time, actually.

829

Laura: Yeah.

830

Xhafer: I'm almost done with

my Voyager watch through.

831

I'm getting there,

832

I should go back.

833

Laura: The, the super soldier angle,

I think was better done on next

834

generation.

835

Like this

836

Xhafer: on what's widely considered

to be the, one of the best

837

television shows of all time.

838

Did it better than crusade?

839

What?

840

Laura: really quick though,

that there were some stinkers

841

Xhafer: there are for sure.

842

Some stinkers looking at

you code of honor, but

843

Laura: Yeah.

844

I'm not sure if the super soldiers

one is actually a stinker or not,

845

but I remember something about this

and uh, yeah, this is a plot line.

846

I feel like sci fi has done in

a couple of different places.

847

And.

848

Xhafer: for sure, you don't have to.

849

You don't have to hide that and better.

850

Laura: Yeah, I kind of made a face

851

Xhafer: Joe's not

listening to our podcast.

852

We don't have to worry about

853

Laura: Yeah, that's true.

854

Sorry, Joe.

855

Xhafer: We're not gray 17 over here.

856

We don't have to worry about that stuff,

857

Laura: no, that's perfectly fine with me.

858

Xhafer: right?

859

All right.

860

Well, we got another one next week

861

Laura: We got to do it

862

Xhafer: fucking end and

there's no fucking end.

863

And we've got the well of forever,

864

Laura: Oh, yeah, that sounds like

a thing that could go on a while.

865

Xhafer: right?

866

Galen persuades Gideon to

seek a mystical crossroads.

867

An investigator probes Matheson's mind.

868

Laura: Okay, that part I'm interested in.

869

Xhafer: Some post Psi War Psi Core stuff.

870

Laura: Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm

interested in anything happening

871

with Matheson and the telepaths.

872

Like, tell me more.

873

I don't know that I'm interested in the

mystical well of forever or whatever.

874

The mystical well of whatever.

875

God damn it, I should have said that.

876

Xhafer: Well, that's that.

877

I'm, I'm not excited

about this next episode.

878

I'll be honest, but what I

am excited about is to say

879

thank you to Jeremy Siegel.

880

Laura: Yay.

881

Xhafer: Thanks, Jeremy.

882

You're welcome.

883

We really appreciate the shit

out of you and everything you do.

884

Love our theme music.

885

Thank you so much for

putting that together for us.

886

You can find more of Jeremy's

work at JeremySiegel42.

887

Bandcamp.

888

com or on streaming

services as Nuclear Jaguar.

889

Laura: And thank you to Angry

Duck Time Machine on Instagram

890

for our podcast artwork.

891

Xhafer: Hey Aaron, we got a

quick one for you this week.

892

You're welcome.

893

But also thank you for

editing our podcast.

894

Really appreciate it.

895

Thank you.

896

Laura: Yeah, we do.

897

The real MVPs.

898

And thanks, listener,

for being here with us.

899

We're doing this for you.

900

Xhafer: Yeah.

901

We're not doing it for us.

902

Laura: We know that you love Crusaded.

903

You want to hear more.

904

But

905

Xhafer: saw Ryan post on gray

17 about making a joke about

906

them doing crusade today.

907

Ryan from yum yum.

908

I'm just all like, if only

909

Laura: Yeah.

910

Yeah.

911

Xhafer: not, no, this is the only

place you're going to find crusade

912

and we're the only ones who dare.

913

Laura: Well, if you're wanting

to make like serious pod.

914

Mm,

915

Xhafer: Yeah, that's, yeah, it's not

going to just watch Deathwalker again.

916

Just watch Deathwalker 13 times.

917

You'll be happier.

918

Laura: yeah, for sure, But you know what?

919

If you wanna like join the conversation

or just come hang out with some cool

920

people, you can come, come to our discord.

921

You can send us an email if

you're more of an email person.

922

We'd love to hear from you.

923

I don't know if we're gonna

do, like, a series recap

924

with, like, a ton of thoughts.

925

But if you have them,

we'd love to hear it.

926

Xhafer: I have one scheduled for us.

927

I don't, I, I, I don't know.

928

Laura: I don't know, maybe we'll get

lots of the Crusade hate mail that's

929

been living in people's chests for years.

930

Xhafer: hit, we have a S we have like a

series recap thing as like the capstone

931

on all, all of Babylon five together.

932

Laura: Uh Huh.

933

Xhafer: So maybe we'll

just kind of fold those in,

934

Laura: Yeah.

935

I think that we could get away with

936

Xhafer: maybe find something

else to do for that episode.

937

Laura: You have three Crusade scripts.

938

Xhafer: We do have three crusade scripts.

939

We might be able to, if we get

a big group together, we might

940

be able to do two readings.

941

Maybe we can do the best or one.

942

And then the finale we'll see.

943

I gotta, I gotta put that

fucking together tomorrow.

944

Laura: It, it's tough to choose when you

have, okay, so, listener, just so you

945

know, we have three scripts for Crusade.

946

And remind me what the

parameters were on those scripts.

947

Xhafer: So one is the episode that

would have been the next one to air,

948

Laura: Mm hmm.

949

Xhafer: Which Would have taken place like

four episodes ago in our watch order.

950

And it was supposed to kind of make some

more things make sense and kind of do

951

some work to align the new watch order.

952

Um, there's the uniform switch back

to the old uniforms from the new

953

ones in that episode and a couple

other continuity fixing things.

954

Um, there is an episode where they go to

a colony and find Bester hanging out, who

955

is a fugitive on the run from the Psi War.

956

Laura: Oh, I think we kind of remember

that part of his plot line from our book,

957

Xhafer: Yeah, we talked

about that in book club.

958

So this is, this is him hiding

out well before book club.

959

This is not literary critic Al in

960

Laura: No.

961

Yeah.

962

This is before his final evolution.

963

Yeah.

964

Xhafer: to see, we could see him

there and then we have what was

965

going to be the season finale.

966

Laura: I mean, all of those are tempting

in a way because of everything, you know?

967

Xhafer: they're not

super long, so we'll see.

968

We'll get a group together.

969

I have to do some plotting and

some planning, and I have to

970

reach out to some of our friends

in the podcasting community.

971

The what hopper, her network of podcasts.

972

of course, you know, we're going

to talk to all of our friends over.

973

And all of the other podcasts launched

and not because we've got two podcasts

974

that are about to launch at this point.

975

I won't say exactly the

date, but I've got a date.

976

I do have a official start date

for Attention Bajoran Workers right

977

Laura: All right

978

Xhafer: that's Victor's news to share.

979

So I won't, I won't put it out right now.

980

Cause I don't know when this airs in

relation to that, but I would expect it

981

to be very soon after this episode airs

982

Laura: So exciting.

983

Xhafer: and then cool girls.

984

Mike gets screwed up because

of Bethany's vacation.

985

But we'll figure that out too.

986

Uh, but cool, cool girls.

987

Don't look at explosions.

988

Also has like six episodes recorded

at this point and is raring to go.

989

So.

990

Exciting things happening

on the network front.

991

So I don't think those podcasts should

all be out by the time we do our script

992

reading, I think, cause the script reading

won't be until mid October, but we'll see.

993

Laura: I'm excited.

994

Xhafer: I'm excited to,

995

Laura: Okay.

996

Xhafer: that's it.

997

We already said goodbye.

998

I was about to, I was about to

segue into, into thank yous again.

999

Laura: We've said all the thank yous,

but we haven't said any, like, goodbyes

00:45:00,730 --> 00:45:01,040

Xhafer: Okay.

00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,140

We should say goodbye.

00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:02,940

Hey internet.

00:45:03,286 --> 00:45:05,816

we've bathed in this, this exit.

00:45:05,836 --> 00:45:10,206

We've, we've taken it and thrown it

over ourselves over and over again.

00:45:10,226 --> 00:45:14,516

It's a, it's absurd how long we've

made the end of this episode.

00:45:15,156 --> 00:45:15,376

you

00:45:15,391 --> 00:45:15,901

Laura: we're glad You

00:45:15,931 --> 00:45:16,541

stayed.

00:45:16,606 --> 00:45:19,776

Xhafer: I feel like a lot of people, I

know, I don't feel like a lot of people.

00:45:19,776 --> 00:45:25,546

I know I, when I hit the thank yous on a

podcast, I skipped to the next episode.

00:45:28,786 --> 00:45:30,706

Well, it's just like, it's

the end of the episode, right?

00:45:30,766 --> 00:45:33,666

Like, I mean, it's not

like a malicious thing.

00:45:33,666 --> 00:45:35,006

It's like, I see there's two minutes left.

00:45:35,006 --> 00:45:35,826

They start the thank yous.

00:45:35,826 --> 00:45:39,376

I stop, I guess for this episode,

they'll see the thank you start.

00:45:39,376 --> 00:45:42,386

See that there's like 10 minutes left

and wonder what the fuck is going on.

00:45:44,001 --> 00:45:45,151

Laura: The best thank yous.

00:45:45,306 --> 00:45:48,396

Xhafer: Um, but yeah thanks

so much internet for sticking

00:45:48,396 --> 00:45:50,536

around really appreciate.

00:45:51,001 --> 00:45:57,681

You'd be in here really appreciate the

community that's developed around us

00:45:57,681 --> 00:46:01,961

making Dick and fart jokes about a show

that I fondly remember from my childhood.

00:46:02,691 --> 00:46:03,131

Laura: Mm hmm.

00:46:03,311 --> 00:46:05,661

Xhafer: And as much as we make jokes

about crusade being terrible, and it

00:46:05,661 --> 00:46:10,271

is, it is a hundred percent worth it

to just be able to every Wednesday,

00:46:10,371 --> 00:46:13,671

see the discord pop off with people

making jokes about how bad it is

00:46:14,571 --> 00:46:17,868

or or whatever else happens to

be going on that day uh, in the

00:46:17,868 --> 00:46:20,768

community, I really appreciate

getting to interact with all of you.

00:46:21,453 --> 00:46:24,373

And just being a part of It

00:46:25,133 --> 00:46:26,803

Laura: It has enriched my life

00:46:26,853 --> 00:46:29,483

Xhafer: a hundred percent,

a hundred percent.

00:46:30,253 --> 00:46:33,233

Laura: especially right now when

I'm going through like that big life

00:46:33,263 --> 00:46:38,023

change of being a student again, it

is very grounding to come and spend

00:46:38,023 --> 00:46:39,693

this time with you once a week ish.

00:46:39,693 --> 00:46:43,953

Xhafer: This is something I was actually

planning on asking you at the end,

00:46:44,283 --> 00:46:47,633

at like episode one 50, when we were

done with this all entirely before we

00:46:47,633 --> 00:46:52,393

moved on to Battlestar, do you think

you will go back and listen to, do you

00:46:52,403 --> 00:46:53,413

go back and listen to this podcast?

00:46:53,433 --> 00:46:55,863

Like, have you listened to like

season one of this podcast?

00:46:58,003 --> 00:47:02,627

Laura: I listened, I think through

part of season one, but I don't know

00:47:02,627 --> 00:47:03,757

that I made it all the way through

00:47:04,072 --> 00:47:05,152

Xhafer: Not as it was airing.

00:47:05,172 --> 00:47:06,402

I mean, like now, I

00:47:07,387 --> 00:47:09,227

Laura: Oh, I haven't listened to anything.

00:47:09,482 --> 00:47:10,992

Xhafer: wonder what that would be like.

00:47:11,952 --> 00:47:14,152

Laura: To listen to our own podcast again.

00:47:14,542 --> 00:47:14,832

Xhafer: Wow.

00:47:14,842 --> 00:47:20,292

Well, no, it's so like, I mean, I, I

famously can't listen to my own voice.

00:47:20,432 --> 00:47:20,702

Right.

00:47:20,702 --> 00:47:21,162

I hate it.

00:47:21,352 --> 00:47:21,962

Laura: Famously.

00:47:22,262 --> 00:47:23,572

Xhafer: Yeah I'm known for it.

00:47:23,572 --> 00:47:27,872

If you look up a person who won't listen

to themselves, talk on the internet, in

00:47:27,872 --> 00:47:30,442

the dictionary, that phrase, it's my face.

00:47:31,195 --> 00:47:38,245

but it's like, what an interesting

microcosm that could be of our friendship.

00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:39,199

Laura: Uh Huh.

00:47:39,609 --> 00:47:43,059

Xhafer: Of us literally getting to

know each other, like knowing, knowing

00:47:43,059 --> 00:47:44,639

each other now, as well as we do

00:47:45,149 --> 00:47:45,569

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:45,609 --> 00:47:45,849

huh.

00:47:46,469 --> 00:47:51,729

Xhafer: regularly outside of

podcast, vacationing together, like,

00:47:51,789 --> 00:47:51,939

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:53,019 --> 00:47:57,629

Xhafer: like talking about trips and

stuff, you know, being involved in

00:47:57,629 --> 00:48:02,799

each other's lives, especially now, you

know, you podcast with my partner, um,

00:48:02,849 --> 00:48:06,819

you know, some of your other friends

in your life are some of my best

00:48:06,819 --> 00:48:11,999

friends, like, We are like ingrained

right now in each other's lives.

00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,479

And I wonder what we sound like back then.

00:48:15,489 --> 00:48:18,899

Sometimes I'm like, I'm not interested

in like going and hearing me talk.

00:48:19,219 --> 00:48:22,489

I'm interested in hearing

what we sound like.

00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:23,379

Laura: Yeah.

00:48:23,749 --> 00:48:27,879

And it's so interesting, like, that

the, the newly budding researcher

00:48:27,879 --> 00:48:33,609

in me is like, we put down a record

of our friendship and its growth.

00:48:33,999 --> 00:48:39,959

Like, it's there forever until, you

know, all the electrons die or whatever.

00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:40,489

Xhafer: Right.

00:48:40,499 --> 00:48:41,979

It's crazy to think about.

00:48:42,296 --> 00:48:43,966

Laura: Yeah, it really is.

00:48:44,592 --> 00:48:44,772

Xhafer: All right.

00:48:44,772 --> 00:48:45,992

We'll see you next week, internet.

00:48:46,342 --> 00:48:46,702

Laura: All right.

00:48:46,702 --> 00:48:47,282

Bye.

00:49:05,426 --> 00:49:06,336

Are we both high?

00:49:06,336 --> 00:49:06,699

Bye.

00:49:06,699 --> 00:49:07,062

Bye.

00:49:08,536 --> 00:49:09,476

Xhafer: Are we both high?