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Hello.

Hello, I'm Katie and this is Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

Let's continue our exploration of the best of the eighties and nineties.

Today we continue our examination of Ultimate everyman Kurt Russell,

with one of his most notable roles.

We will travel back to May of 1991 for an amazing visual effects

experience with an All-star cast.

And today I am delighted to be joined by Jared

Toine.

Hello.

He is from the Hyperspace Podcasting in the 25th century.

Jared, thank you so much for joining me on Retro Made.

It's my pleasure.

I am very happy to be here and I love your show, Katie.

Oh, thank you so much.

I'm glad to hear that feedback is always welcome.

Now tell us a little bit about your show.

I also very much like the hyperspace.

Well, thank you., the Hyperspace is a show that I

do with my buddies, Matt and Mike.

And, , , the DNA of our show is, all, being children of the seventies, uh,

growing up in this time of Star Wars and Steven Spielberg and Indiana Jones

and, and all those fantastic movies which kind of shaped our young lives.

That's where we start.

And we've, we talk about modern stuff as you know.

Um, geek culture these days is a massive business if, as you can tell, behind

me with all this junk in my house.

And we, we sort of, , revel in being, um, middle-aged children.

I love it so much.

That's a really good way of putting it.

Middle-aged children

and geek culture.

I like it.

Yeah.

So that's kind of what we're about.

Um, and if you want to come check us out sometime,

Yes.

Everyone check out the hyperspace.

It's fun.

It's very fun.

Little something for everyone, I think.

Well, we try to be diverse in that way.

Uh, don't just focus on the stuff from the seventies and eighties.

We talk about some new stuff, , some stuff that we en enjoy currently.

, Katie, I believe, uh, you, you're a fan of Lost the TV show.

, we've done a few episodes on that so hopefully you'll find something you like,

Indeed.

Well, without further ado, let's open the time capsule from May of 1991.

man.

So this is the latest movie , that I've done so far on the show.

Now, Jared, we'll get into some of your experience in 1991, but

to set the stage a little bit,

according to Nielsen ratings, this is a great lineup, the top ratings because

it's an awesome season for women on tv.

Uh oh.

What do we got?

We have Cheers, Roseanne, I still watch that today.

It's a good show.

She went off to the deep end a little bit, but it was progressive Fritz's time.

, a different world.

The Cosby Show, Murphy Brown.

Empty nest.

The Golden Girls, of course, designing women murder she wrote, , so

that's a lot of women right there.

Sure.

And then we have Full House and Family Matters, which, I think the,

that was part of the T G I F block

at the time.

And when I looked it up, I think, so this was about two years in, I think

that started in 89, I want to say.

Oh yes.

Friday night sitcom block that aired on a b ABC starting in 89.

And obviously the name comes from the popular phrase, thank God it's Friday.

The lineup for T G I F.

in 91, , was full house, then Family Matters, then Perfect Strangers,

and then going places, which only ran for one season and it was

replaced by Baby Talk in March.

Also,

I don't remember

not, well known.

Yeah, so going places.

Starred Alan Rock, Jerry Levine, who I just guessed on a show about Teen Wolf.

, Jerry Levine plays the coach in Teen Wolf, so that's fun.

Heather Lawler.

awesome.

Yeah.

, and then the supporting cast also had Stacy Keenan and Holland Taylor.

So there's some famous people in it, but it clearly didn't do well.

And then Baby Talk also only ran for one year, but also it had George Clooney,

Scott Bayo and Tony Dan's voice.

It was actually loosely based on the, look who's talking movie.

So

kind of strange.

So Tony Dances voiced the baby,

but again, neither of those shows despite their cast, um, lasted for very long.

wow.

I Baby talk seemed to me like it was gonna be, uh, a, a tribute

show to, uh, Luke who's talking.

That's seems the era specific.

So, yeah.

And then rounding out the top shows, , includes Matt Locke, coach

with Craig t Nelson and who's the boss, which was one of my favorites.

Do any of these sound familiar

Um,

any of those shows?

uh, I did watch Coach, um, pretty religiously.

My parents loved it.

And, uh, of course the Golden Girls, uh, I believe by the early

nineties they were wrapping it up.

And, , some of the T G F T G I F lineup, of course.

So, um, if you can hear a dog scratching at my door, he's trying to get in here.

I apologize for the extraneous noise.

Oh, what kind of dog do you have?

Uh, he is a Yorkie.

Oh, so he could just sit in your lap this

no, he's a real pain in the butt, actually.

, I'm sorry for any noise.

I'll try to keep that to a minimum.

No worries.

But, yeah, the T G I F lineup , I watched.

, but, , you know, usually Friday nights, , I was usually out at

this, at this particular year, I was, like hanging with , my buddies.

So, , I didn't watch a whole lot of TV on Friday nights,

but I do remember that lineup.

Yeah.

You were too cool for TV on

Friday nights at at that age.

I mean, there was no way Jared Toine was

sitting at home on a Friday night,

No way.

No way.

As

we'll get into, , I also wanted to note there were a few shows that

you'll, that, that you will all hopefully remember that premiered.

So they weren't necessarily topping the Nielsen ratings, but they premiered,

, in this season in 91 Home Improvement with, , Tim, the Tool Man Taylor,

mm-hmm.

step by step, which, , ultimately became part of the T G I F lineup.

Dinosaurs.

Do you remember that show with

the, like real

dinosaurs,

yes.

It was made by, , Jim Henson's company.

oh, was it

They made the puppets for that show.

remember really liking it.

, I mean, I'll have to maybe check out an episode to see if it, , stands the test

of time, but I remember liking that show.

Yes.

It was different for sure.

Definitely different.

And then Rug Rats, which I think was on Nickelodeon.

It was a cartoon,

, salute Your Shorts was, , and Ren and Stimpy show were a couple

of other kids' shows during that time that were introduced.

And then Silk Stockings, do you remember

Uh, was that on the USA Network?

I

Yes.

now.

I can't say that, you know, I, I watched it, but it was one of

those things that sort of like everybody knew about back then.

It was a little provocative, you know,

it was,

almost R-rated.

yeah, it was very seductive.

And the male actor in that Rob Estes, I remember thinking he was super hot.

So I very much liked this show.

Okay.

Fantastic.

Yeah.

Yes.

And then, the notable finales in 91.

The 356th and final episode of CBS's, second longest running

series was Dallas, so it was second only to gun smoke apparently,

but it ended in 91.

I remember, I think my parents actually watched

that all the way up until the end.

I

don't think I've ever seen an episode of Dallas

you know, I'm sorry to digress, but my parents have recently

discovered the magic of these apps, like Tuby and stuff, and they recently, they're

both in their mid seventies and they went back last year , and they would just

watch Dallas binge it for hours at a time.

I'd call him and he is like, Hey, we're watching Dallas.

Uh, can you call back later?

Is this the who Shot Jr.

Show.

Okay.

I'm familiar with the reference, but I've not seen the

Oh yeah, that was a huge thing in like 1980.

It was like everybody, and I remember that as a little kid.

I'm kind of surprised it ran all the way into 91, but

it did.

And then 21 Jump Street with Johnny Depp.

I loved that show.

That ended in 91, apparently.

Holy cow.

I didn't even know it had started by then.

It was, 87, I think maybe it was the first season

or 88.

One of those, , Hey dude, which was a Nickelodeon show, dude.

Did you watch that at all?

Uh, a couple,

old for it.

I, but I remember it was about them on a ranch.

I mean, I wasn't, a religious follower of it, but certainly was aware of it.

Yeah.

It was you know, a kid's teenage show.

I liked it.

Head of the Class, which I remember thinking was a good show, and Twin Peaks,

which I think they made a remake recently

Yeah, it was actually a sequel to the, , to the original show.

another season of it, just

many years later.

Set many years la like one of the legacy sequels.

Ah, okay.

I was really into that show the first season,

but , it got really weird and I kind of fell off in the second.

But, it certainly has its fans.

Twin Peaks.

I do remember it being different my parents maybe watched it

much different.

So did I miss anything that you were watching around this time that wasn't

super popular or premiered or ended?

No, I think you certainly, you hit a lot

of , the highlights, , But at this time I was more into movies.

I was just all about movies.

If I was watching something on tv, it was usually a movie.

, and , of course going to movies , that would consume my life at that time.

And when I did watch tv, it was usually with, you know, my

folks , in the evening or something.

Do

you remember any specific movie memories from this time?

oh yeah, I mean, back draft certainly is one.

Good.

I think in 91, one of the big things for me that summer was,

, that was the summer of Terminator two.

Yes, it was.

Yep.

And that, of course, for a young science fiction

nerd was sort of like the pinnacle.

, 91 was also the summer that, Robinhood Prince of Thieves was

was a phenomenon, wasn't it?

I

remember that.

Yeah, I actually, I saw that a few times in the theater.

And, back then even, , Kevin Costner's terrible disappearing accent,

, didn't really bother me that much cuz I thought it was such a fun movie.

And, , this was also the summer that, , bill and Ted's bogus journey came out.

And

the second

the second one, and I love Bill and Ted and that was one

that I saw multiple times that Summer

Summer movies.

Yeah, that was a whole thing.

Oh yeah, it was a big deal.

I mean, it's still somewhat big deal today, but it felt like back then,

I mean, it felt like, you know, big and special and, , it was something

you look forward to all year long.

Yeah.

It's a different movie going experience now, which is why

I like to, go back in time

When, we start to talk about backdraft and my

specific memories of that, do you remember, it's a, it's, did you

have in your town where you grew up?

The dollar movies.

We didn't, I don't think, because.

I didn't live in a big city.

It was a smaller, so we only had one movie theater and it was the regular movie

gotcha.

Gotcha.

Oh,

well

must have lived in the big old city there,

well, I was, I grew up in, uh, Knoxville, Tennessee, and it's

the third largest city in Tennessee.

I did not see Backdraft in the first run theaters.

I saw it at the dollar movies.

And the dollar movies, they're kind of like what I refer to as movie purgatory.

Like it's after they leave the first run theaters, but before

they appear on home video,

Mm-hmm.

They would always make a stop at the dollar movies.

And so that's where I would see a lot of films that I

missed, , on their initial release.

And you could still see 'em , in a, a nice theatrical setting,

but it only cost you a dollar.

It was actually only a dollar.

It wasn't like five bucks

No, I mean, well, when it started in the early

nineties, it was still a dollar.

Of course as time went on, it got to be a buck 50 and $2, but you

could still , see a movie in a theater for a pretty good deal.

But the, of course, the concession stands were still full price.

So if you wanted to maintain that, , discount, you had

to sneak in,, your snacks.

But, um,

You would never have done that though.

No, I never did

No.

the, uh, but dollar movies are a thing that I think today

are probably almost gone because there's like no time between, for

example, creed three, , I saw that and like a month later I saw on

Facebook it was available to stream

You're right.

there's just no time anymore between.

and to that point, creed three, was a well marketed movie,

So imagine if it wasn't, , you have zero chance then it seems like

to kind of make it in the theaters.

Oh yeah.

, and it's just crazy to me these days that, you know, within weeks of it even

being released to theaters and Creed Three was not an insignificant film.

As you said, it made a lot of money.

It was very successful, but boom, you could watch it at home four weeks later.

It's, uh, it

kind

even saw the Avatar movie.

I mean, I don't know how long ago that was released,

yeah.

Avatar

avatar was such a big deal that probably was in theaters forever,

the original

was, it was.

And um, it's just a, it's fascinating to me as a V h S kid,

that it, it's changed so much.

This theatrical experience.

And certainly I wouldn't have been able to see Backdraft in the way I

did if, not for the dollar movies.

I like it.

That's a nice blast from the past.

Thanks, Jared.

, yeah, let's get back to 91 because yeah, present day doesn't have

the same feel to it clearly.

Now, since you weren't like a little child,

I am going to just breeze through some of the cartoons and then get

into some of the stuff that might have been more up your alley.

The lineup for Saturday morning was the Muppet Babies, and this

is their last season in 91.

And I Love yeah, so this was their last go Garfield and Friends,

the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

I remember very vividly that that was such a huge deal.

Mm-hmm.

I mean, , I'm a girl , but I still very much remember it.

Where's Waldo Inspector Gadget?

I remember watching that after school

more so, but I loved Inspector Gadget.

Yep.

Penny Brain.

Dr.

Claw.

Ooh, that's pretty good.

Thanks.

It's like you should have a job in voiceover work

Oh, if only if anyone out there is listening to the Retro Made

show and would like to offer me a job,

Yeah.

Listen to this voice, you

guys.

find me in the show notes.

indeed.

And then of course saved by the bell.

I don't know if that was a little too, were you too old for Saved by the bell?

No,

the girls are pretty

Saved by the Bell, I'll never forget, this was a few years

later, but I was sitting with my buddies.

We had taken a trip after we were.

After we graduated high school in 93 and there was a saved by the Bell

marathon on, we were in Florida and we stayed in our room all day and watched

this Saved by the Bell Marathon.

It's good, right?

You just get sucked into

You do.

And yeah, there was pretty ladies on there too,

Yep.

Cute guys too.

So a little something for all of

us.

Something for everybody.

it's true.

So we'll move past that since, so you were a teenager in 91.

What were you wearing?

What was your fashion sense?

Cuz we're gonna talk fashion in the nineties.

I was wearing in 1991, , one of my favorite, my favorite

band of all time is the Beastie Boys.

And

, and in 1991, around this era, I was dressing like the Beastie Boy.

I wanted to be like them.

So it was probably baggy jeans, , an Adidas t-shirt

and, , of course Adidas shoes.

Maybe, I guess like a skater would look,

Okay.

That's kind of how I dressed.

It was a lot of t-shirts, , jeans, Adidas sneakers, that's sort

of how I rolled back then.

How did you wear your hair

when you were 16 ish?

It was, man, if I had a picture of it, I

I do need a 16 year old picture of Jared.

Yeah.

okay.

It was long on top,

Mm-hmm.

shaved all the way around and pulled back to a ponytail.

I do wish I had a picture of that, but that was very much a hairstyle that

a lot of guys had in the early nineties.

And there's different terms for it that we'll get into, curtain is a

hairstyle where it's long fringe divided, either in the middle

or parted, , but some kid, like you pulled it back like

Well, yeah, but if it was down, it would just part in the middle and

yep.

like into my

Into, yes.

So picture like listeners, this was like a Leonardo DiCaprio,

like kind of picture that,

or like skater

Well, the thing I actually modeled my hair after

was River Phoenix in, , the opening of Indiana Jones.

In the last crusade, he had this mop of hair

that just fell , it was short on the sides and he would,

he was wearing a hat a lot.

But that's when I saw that, I was like, man, that's the

coolest cuz I love Indiana Jones.

So I was like, man, if I could have a haircut like young Indiana Jones

and dress like the Beastie Boys, then my life will be complete.

And

So that's where I got it from and my mom hated it.

Yeah, I'm sure she did.

I'm sure all of the moms did, but yeah, I didn't realize that there

were different names for it, but a few sources call it a curtain.

Some sources call it a mushroom, depending on maybe if your hair

wasn't straight or the floppy.

Again, it's like really short on the sides or shaved

and then like Yeah.

Hair on

those names make sense to me.

I could totally see why.

So that was , the men's haircuts.

Either that or as we'll get into, there's a few different types of kid

or young adult, , in terms of fashion.

But there was, so think of like 9 0 210 Beverly Hills, 9 0 2 1 oh

was becoming popular at this time.

So the hairstyle that Jason Priestley had in that was also a very popular hairstyle.

, they called that the flat top.

I

don't know if I would call it that, but

that really high styled,

Sort of like a pompadour a little bit.

Um, and th those guys also, uh, the sideburns were really big.

Yeah.

I remember loving that hair.

Him and Dylan.

For girls in 91, the hair was, , mal bangs is like the term for it.

Is that the, where you spray the bangs up like this?

Well, I think there's probably various interpretations,

give or take a few years from 91.

I think that might have been a little bit earlier.

I could be wrong, but the descriptors for what a mal bang is when I looked this up,

was, is voluminous feathered bangs, like DJ Tanners on Full House, or

Kelly Kowski from Saved by the Bell.

Picture that, or Kelly Bundy, , from Married with Children.

So that's, if you guys can picture what their hair looked like.

That bang is called the Mall Bang.

Oh boy.

Also, , headbands, scrunchies.

And then there was also this, , the Cindy Crawford messy voluminous blowout.

Do you remember that?

Pepsi commercial with Cindy Crawford?

And that blowout, but like voluminous, but sort of messy at the same time.

Mm-hmm.

and then also natural ringlets ala Mariah Carey,

Okay.

Yeah.

you can kind of picture that.

So that was the hair in terms of fashion trends, 91 neon colors, slouch socks,

slip dresses for women, bomber jackets and baby doll dresses , for women.

Also layering, like wearing a sweatshirt over a turtleneck

or, , socks over leggings.

, exercise wear as like your outfit.

So leotards, leggings, sweatpants, , bike shorts, suits, body suits.

I do remember being a thing, actually they're back now.

I have several with, jeans.

Do you know what I'm talking about when

I say a body suit?

is it like a jumpsuit or is it the, like the fitness body suit.

It is.

It, the sleeves could be short, it could be a tank, short or long sleeves.

And it's very tight.

And the reason it's called a bodysuit, there's no pants to

it, but , it snaps in the crotch

so that you can wear a fitted, tight look without your shirt coming.

Un

like untucked.

gotcha.

I know what you're talking about.

Do you guys remember stirrup leggings?

Mm-hmm.

With an oversized top Kes.

The shoes, the sneakers Kes.

Just the white, plain white

yep.

And then there, as I was talking about a couple different looks, there was

both at this time the preppy look like Zach from Saved by the Bell.

Mm-hmm.

The Jcrew look with boat shoes.

Mm-hmm.

penny loafers.

This was also the time of, Ralph Lauren

and Tommy Hilfiger.

So that, do you remember the preppy look?

Did you have friends or

actually, sometimes I occasionally would adopt the preppy look.

Do you remember Sebago the shoe?

Okay.

Sebago were pretty big.

This was probably more late eighties,

maybe 1990.

You always wore your sebago without socks,

Oh,

were these leather, shoot, I don't, you'll have to look it up.

It's ridiculous.

it like a boat shoe?

It's not a boat shoe.

uh, sorta.

It's all leather.

And it's more like a, like a loafer.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would occasionally, you know, I had, of course, I mean

everybody, you had to have, at least, one or two Ralph Lauren Polo shirts.

I mean, I still have a couple that I wear to work.

They're rather timeless, those.

I would occasionally adopt the preppy look if, I had to get my picture made or go

to church or something, I would clean up.

But, uh,

Yeah, I can see.

I can see it.

I also kind of adopted different styles depending on , the occasion

I remember, and I still do, j crew.

I remember maybe a little bit later, like maybe in the mid nineties.

I loved getting the catalog and marking all the things that I wanted.

So on the complete opposite end of the preppy spectrum, grunge

Mm-hmm.

was a style that was popular in

the early nineties.

So

jeans with flannels, oversized cord jackets, combat boots, doc Martins

Mm-hmm.

band t-shirts, to your point,

Mm-hmm.

Birkenstocks and Short Alls for girls.

Jean overalls, but they were short shorts.

Yes.

Yes.

That was gosh, huge in the nineties.

But I, I, you know, as a young man, I did fancy those overalls.

I thought they were cute,

It was set of sort of interesting pairing combat boots with a dress

or something like that I remember.

, basically the Nirvana look, because Nirvana was coming out,

And if anybody watched the show on M T V, it didn't last very long.

But I loved it around this time.

I think it was around this time, , my so-called life with

Jared Leto, Claire

Claire Dames.

Yeah.

Um, Claire Danes was in it, , and was Jared Leto in that?

He, know it sounds weird now, but he was the hottest thing that ever lived

for somebody like between the ages of like 10 and 16, probably his character

name on the show was Jordan Kano, which

is so cool.

But yeah, he had the long hair

grungy look and he was so good looking.

Somebody has to remember this Jared Leto

back in the day.

I do remember that show, but , I remember it mostly for, , Claire.

she was the main character and she

lusted after Jordan.

So that's the grunge look.

And then also it's, we're just all over the place with the nineties, early

nineties supermodels.

Do you remember supermodels being a thing?

Oh, yes, of course.

Cindy Crawford and Kathy Ireland and, , Angie Everhart, , who

was the blonde, the blonde one.

She did a lot of guess stuff.

I can't

Claudia Schiffer is one I remember I remember really liking her.

There was a Versace fashion show in 91 that featured, a few like big

names and supermodels this time we have Naomi Campbell was in that show.

Linda

Evangelista, Christie Turton and Cindy Crawford walking that

Versace runway lip syncing to George Michael's freedom because I think

that was the music video that he

featured supermodels in.

Right?

Yep.

We can thank supermodels for all of our bulimia and anorexia in the nineties.

. Supermodels man.

So we're gonna move on to music

next.

Did I miss anything fashion wise, TV wise, movie wise from

your

I

16 year old days?

No.

, he covered quite a bit there.

I know music is another thing where people can be a little all over

the place what kind of music were into in addition to Beastie Boys?

Hip hop and rap,

Okay.

Yeah.

was pretty much my, I mean, late eighties, into the nineties.

That's still my favorite kind of music.

Um,

me too.

I know, I remember you saying this on the Rocky Show and

I was like, oh, Katie's a hip hop head.

What, what about it?

Now of course, I did like some stuff that was on the radio and M t v, you know,

it's just, it was catchy, but the stuff I was buying in the store was hip hop.

That makes sense because it's less likely to be universally

popular to be on a top chart.

Right.

That sort of makes sense.

Yeah.

And of course back then I was, you know, you, you all, everybody has this

little rebellious streak and you know, I thought, well, you know, I'm a white

kid in Tennessee listening to this stuff and, my circle of friends was too,

but , it was not something that a lot of other people were doing at that time.

You know, we, we thought, people who listened to the radio and

liked that stuff were like suckers,

Mm-hmm.

you know?

Cuz it's like, no, we got this secret music that nobody likes.

That's, that's much better.

It's exclusive.

And a little like tougher.

Well, so she's not tough at all, but the number one song was, I Don't

Wanna Cry by Mariah Carey, and I do remember Mariah Carey becoming

such a superstar around this time.

Yes.

Mariah Carey I was somewhat familiar with because a lot of girls liked Mariah Carey.

So you had to find that,

was gonna, that was gonna get you in.

So Mariah Carey, I was more familiar with than, maybe some of the other ones.

I can see that.

Number two is Touch Me All Night Long by Kathy Dennis Extremes more than words,

which I remember that being so huge.

Yes.

That's a good one.

I like the way the kissing game by High Five.

I'm unfamiliar with High Five,

Don't remember that.

they were the number four song this week.

Again, it's a particular week

in May May 24th, I think this, so that was 32 years ago.

Backdraft came out.

Yes.

Basically 32 years

I mean, w Terry, you say it, it's impossible, but

Right?

I know,

it, it's really only probably 12 years,

but if you say it's 32, I'll

I know, I know.

Yeah.

I'm still 25 in my head, so this week in May in 91, , it's such a good lineup also.

Then number five is Rhythm of the Heart by Rod Stewart.

Number six, please tell me you remember I touched myself by the de vinyls.

course, everybody remembers that.

Oh my.

And I think that's probably the only song they had.

Maybe that

oh, they're definitely one of the one hit.

wonders.

I remember that video was also a bit provocative.

It was

but yeah, of course, everybody knows that song.

such a good song.

Here we go.

C and C Music Factory.

Color me bads.

I wanna sex you up.

Oh my God.

Color me bad.

I, that was one of my faves at this time

Yeah.

I see.

I thought it was, I thought I was a little ahead of the curve on that

because that song first showed up on the new Jack City soundtrack

Yes.

and that, that was like six months before it took off.

Like it was on that soundtrack for a while before anybody paid it any attention.

And I liked that soundtrack a lot.

So I was playing that music and then when it took off, I was like, ah, that's pop.

That sucks.

But I was like, well, you know, six months ago I liked it, so

I remember actually being in high school, many like pro

six years later after this.

Cruising around in my friend's car, but her radio broke and so we literally

had a boombox and I recall having the tape color me bad tape that we

were playing in a boombox in her car.

I.

I have a term for what that is.

When you put a boombox in your backseat, I call that sidekick because,

because my sister had this little pink boombox, it was called a sidekick, and

the exact boombox that

yeah, it was probably about this long and, you know, not very

big, but she didn't use it anymore.

And I, I didn't have a, a cassette deck that worked in my piece of

crap and I would throw it in the backseat and play music on it.

And my friends called it sidekicking,

I

like that.

Yeah.

So the, the boom boombox in the backseat, that's a, apparently a universal

did anyone else call it Sidekicking?

Let us know.

What'd you call this?

Did you have a charm?

Wore it.

Okay, moving on.

Number nine is Love is a Wonderful Thing by Michael Bolton.

I remember him being big too, but

I was not, that was not my jam.

Michael Bolton.

Was it too much?

Like maybe like your parents or something?

maybe I just, I guess I didn't like, , cuz I like a lot of

the, like rock groups, slow songs.

Just

not Michael Bolton.

I get it.

Silent Lucidity is number 10 by Queens.

Queens,

Queens, Reich.

okay.

I've never heard of them before.

Thank you for pronouncing it.

I have heard of them.

I am unfamiliar with that song.

Let's move on then, because the next five are all pretty

good.

losing my religion by r e m was number

11.

That's why I wanted to move past go past 10.

That was great.

I liked r e m, baby Baby by Amy Grant I think she was actually a Christian artist,

She was.

Yeah, she was.

And she

song crossed over.

Pretty

for, yeah.

I was a big Paula Abdul fan, and she has Rush Rush as number

13 this week.

Did you like Paula.

Abdul?

Well, oh yeah, I did.

I mean, in, in a Poppy kind of way.

And also had the opportunity to work with her sometime later.

Was

my God.

I think we need to stop this podcast and just talk about that.

it was, uh, it was a, she's, she was lovely.

I remember I was coming off of our show and, I was being introduced to her

and she's like, oh, this is, uh, this is our, this is our producer Jared.

She, she sort of grabbed my arms and just went in straight in for the mouth.

Was she sober at this time or no?

Okay.

Maybe, but, I did the quick, you know, of course at this

time I'm already a happily married man, and so I just, I quickly gave her the

cheek right before it landed, and I was like, oh, it's great to meet you.

But it was at, but first I was like, oh, it's cool.

I'm gonna meet.

Paula Abdul and you know, I'd go out there and then it's just like, I was

like, okay, that was interesting,

Did she say anything after that to address?

You know, or just you guys both

Oh no, no, she just she just said, Hey, that's,

it's really nice to meet you.

Thanks for a great show and this and that.

Oh, Paula.

Okay.

Oh my gosh.

That's a fantastic story and I'm sure there's more to it

that I'll have to catch up on

Sure.

Um, number 14 is, you don't have to go home tonight by the triplets.

15 is Rock Sets Joy Ride, which was an amazing song, I think that was

featured in several soundtracks.

Joy Ride.

Now, Rockette, I'm familiar with from the Pretty Woman soundtrack,

I think she was on that, but I don't, I'm not familiar with Joy Ride.

It doesn't instantly ring a bell.

I can't sing, so I'm not going to sing it.

Of course.

That's

wow.

you were buying tapes or CDs at this time?

I was buying tapes.

I didn't get a CD player.

I was a very late adopter.

I think I got one in 90, maybe 93.

So

That doesn't seem too late.

I feel like tapes went on for quite a while,

yeah.

Well, and it was funny cuz I would get to a point where I was using

tapes in my car and, I didn't have a CD player in my car yet.

I would buy, , hip hop and rap I would buy on tape.

But I was also a huge film score nut.

I love movie soundtracks, and I would purchase those on CD because I would

play those on my stereo in my house.

I wouldn't necessarily play those as I'm driving around.

So rap was tape, film scores were CDs,

I

then I

eventually switched over.

Yes.

What kind of a car were you?

So you're 16 at this time.

Like, listen to the Beastie Boys in your car, driving around

yeah.

With my pink boombox.

I drove a 1985 Dodge Colt Hatchback four speed.

It was beat up on the front end, but it was a car that my

parents had just given to me.

So you cannot, as a 16 year old kid, you cannot say no to that.

It's, it's almost like,

a rite of passage back in.

your day and even still my, like you're a little bit older than I am,

but yeah, nobody had like a nice car.

No, nobody's, getting a brand new, land Rover

when they're 16 years old.

Not in my zip code.

oh,

there are kids today who are getting that, but that was not my world

for

Same.

Same.

Okay.

So moving, there's one more segment before we get into back draft

to just make sure everybody's in this world of 1991 with us,

with news and events.

The space shuttle Discovery, 12 lands hot gas of the day was the, , Oakland Days.

Jose Conseco is seen leaving Singer Madonna's apartment.

Just that in and of itself was such hot goss,

I do remember that.

Yeah, that was like on the news,

Like, not

like a scandalous that, that's just crazy.

What an innocent time.

Oh man, that was crazy.

It was.

That was something that was sort of everywhere.

Like, hey, Jose Conseco is, is he Madonna's new boyfriend?

We were interested in a lot of weird crap.

She had a lot of famous boyfriends, basically

everyone.

And this was around the time where she was

really being provocative with , her whole sex book and everything.

Yeah, Madonna back then, she was really, upsetting a lot of people

and putting herself out there.

I do remember that about the early nineties for sure.

I remember going into Walden books and you would see the.

The book, you know,

Oh, wow.

it was back behind the counter and it was all sealed up,

and it was just like, the embarrassment of buying a Playboy or something, but

you're spending like $80 on this book.

But, I did not buy that book, by the way, just to put that out there.

I actually wouldn't mind reading it.

Now I do really like Madonna.

I mean, most people do, she's iconic.

, but I at this time, . I'm like 10 ish, and I remember that being a, , a big scan.

Okay.

We didn't have the internet,

so it was, you hear things this way or that way, and I remember

that being a big scandalous thing.

Yeah.

It was a much more mysterious world in the early nineties,

internet.

We did not have an Apple computer, but they released their

Macintosh system seven in 1991.

So maybe our school had it remember there being a computer lab

Yo.

Yeah.

you know?

I certainly do.

And we did use a little Apple two E's when I was in high school.

The, just the little weird looking, apple computers with the

integrated monitor and everything.

Yeah.

I mean, I thought I was living in the future at that

you were, you were, and now it's a relic.

I love it when I see a movie with it and it was like such high tech stuff at the

Oh yeah.

Edith Creson, who I had not heard of, because apparently

I'm not very worldly, , she became Francis first female.

Premiere 91.

I just learned something new today

because I had not heard that.

And then coming back to America, the Chicago Bull,

Michael Jordan is named NBA's.

M V P.

Oh yeah.

Michael Jordan was everywhere in the early nineties and the late eighties.

He was, uh, amazing.

I remember him more mid nineties, I guess.

I don't realize that he started

Oh, yeah.

He started, , late eighties.

That's when the, that's when the Jordan, , sneakers really took off

Oh, that's right.

yeah, they just made a movie

a movie about yeah.

Did you see it?

I haven't seen it

it's, on Prime.

I think I wanna watch that now.

it's on Prime already, like we

And I, I think like two weeks ago it was in the theaters, so,

yeah.

Okay.

Well, I'm gonna watch that.

The Soviet Parliament approves a law allowing citizens to travel abroad.

That was like two-ish years post the end of the Cold War.

So it took that long.

Right.

Katie, Katie, we know the Cold War ended when, in

Rocky, I know

when Rocky Balboa defeated Ivan Drago but I guess it

just takes, the big machine a, a while to catch up but that does seem, uh,

like, yeah.

They're finally allowing their citizens

Yeah.

So it, it's not something that just happened instantaneously.

That kind of surprised me.

A lot of sad things on here.

Actually.

223 people die when an Austrian, Boeing 7 67 explodes in Bangkok.

Big old plane crash.

Robert Duvall marries Sharon Broy.

I don't know who that is, but Robert Duvall got married

in May of 91.

Bing, Crosby's son Dennis commits suicide.

He was 54.

I know.

I heard being was a tough, , father.

Really?

Yeah, he was.

That's, I would just say if you want to know more, Google it because

he was, , I mean I don't want to ruin your Christmas albums or

anything, but, he was a bad drunk.

Ooh.

Oh, that is sad.

Yeah, I try not to think about it cuz I like his Christmas

album so much and since I'm a shallow, bad person, I would rather listen to

white Christmas than think about what he

Yeah.

doing to his family.

Yeah.

You're so terrible.

And then the last bit of news from May of 91 that I thought people might

find interesting is that , the prime minister of India was assassinated.

I don't remember hearing about that, but assassinations are pretty

few and far between, aren't they?

I would think so.

Yeah.

Especially if like heads of state like that.

Is there anything else that you remember from this time?

Now I've gotta take it back to music because one of my

favorite albums of this year, and you may have heard this song cuz it

was one of their most famous songs.

Do you remember the rap group?

Third base?

No third base,

Oh.

They had a song where they were dissing Vanilla Ice called Pop Goes the Weasel.

Oh, I, I guarantee I've heard that song, but just, I didn't recall the group.

Yeah.

Vanilla Ice was a thing.

Yes.

And these guys, uh, third base were also white rappers who came out and

made this whole video of them like beating up a vanilla ice lookalike.

And the song was called Pop Goes the Weasel.

Uh, and it was, they sampled, , the song Sludge Hammerer from Peter Gabriel.

It was, and it's ironic that this song, they were making fun of pop and this

song is their only song that actually charted in the top 10 that year.

Uh, so

enough to get in the top 10.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's funny.

That's one of my big musical memories.

that's funny.

I think I know what you're talking about.

I don't know what year it was.

, Suge Knight talking about, , rap.

Didn't he almost kill Nell Ice or was that a blown up story?

I don't know.

I think I've heard Vanilla

him over a balcony or

Yeah.

That was the mid nineties or something.

When,

he started getting in with, , Dr.

Dre and all those guys and, but yeah, Vanilla Ice , is interesting, cuz

when he first came out, , liking hip hop, being a white kid, I was like,

man, , and you know, ice, ice Baby.

I was like, oh man, this is pretty good.

But then it's one of those things where like af flips was switched

and it was, nobody liked him.

He was a huge joke.

Yeah.

Same with, uh, milli Vanilli.

When it became known that they were lip syncing and now everybody lip

syncs when they're performing it seems

But there was this idea of a manufactured.

Celebrity that we didn't appreciate back in the day.

I feel like that's maybe what happened.

Vanilla Ice was a little too manufactured when I

was 10.

I thought he was super cool.

His hair and everything.

Well, it's funny, when my daughter was growing up, she started

to, because Ice, ice Baby is a catchy song

and I can, I've memorized it, I can wrap it in like two seconds.

Alright.

Stop, collaborate, and listen.

I suspect with my brand new invention, something grab a hold of

me tightly flow like a heartbeat.

Daily and nightly.

Will it ever stop?

Yo, I don't know.

Turn out the lights and I'll flow to the extreme.

I'll rock a mic like a van.

Loto bikes will chop up like a candle dance.

Okay, I'm, that's

That,

I don't want get you, I don't wanna give you

a copyright strike or anything.

So,

No, I'm a big Tupac fan and so when I'm in my car

alone, I like how ridiculous.

Me, I don't know for viewers, I don't look like the type that is

wrapping to Tupac songs, but he's my ultimate and I love him, so

I totally get it.

I am the same way.

I got you.

So, uh, vanilla ice, now , I guess he's renovates homes now or something.

Yes.

I think you're right.

He had a resurgence.

Oh my gosh.

What was that show?

Actually, I can bring almost anything around to a Iraqi reference.

There was a show on VH1 that I recall liking back in the day,

in the early days of reality.

Television.

It was called The Surreal Life.

And it had sort of like, has been celebrities that

lived in a house together.

Yes.

Vanilla Ice was one of them.

It was one

of the early seasons, maybe the first season.

And then Flava fla,

Yes.

And

know if they were on the same season.

And Nielsen, that's the, I can

Because they hooked.

They hooked up.

She hooked up with,

yeah, she hooked up with Flavor fla.

Yep.

Yeah.

I don't know if they were all in the same season, but I remember Vanilla

Ice being on that show as with Brae,

an ex-wife of Sylva Stall Sloan

and, uh, Flava Fla.

Which he got his own spinoff Flavor of Love,

which was completely ridiculous.

And then there was a spinoff of that because

there was a character,

oh.

There was one of the, one of the

New York, one of the women in that.

Train wreck that we all wanted to

Complete train wreck.

Yep.

Okay.

Patrick Swayze and Kurt Russell?

They're my two ultimate everyman for season one.

I have to ask

everyone, do you think that they resemble each other at all?

not really.

No.

Okay.

You're with Ryan on this.

I very much think they look alike, but Okay.

Uh, I mean, if they were as brothers, it wouldn't raise

any flags for me, but I don't think they really resemble each other.

Okay.

All right.

I'm trying to get more people on my side.

Somebody, please.

Sorry, Katie.

okay.

It's all right.

, Now regarding Kurt Russell, who's the star of Backdraft,

did you look up to him?

What are your thoughts about Kurt Russell?

Do You have a fandom with him?

oddly enough, before Backdraft, I did not, I, of course

I saw him in, uh, big trouble.

And, as a kid in my house, I really wasn't allowed to watch r rated movies.

So I had not seen the thing at that time.

My exposure to Kurt Russell was when he was doing the

live action Walt Disney stuff.

Um, so when I was growing up, I would see him, you know, like the

computer who wore tennis shoes, and he, he did a lot of those sort of

chinsy live action Disney films and.

One of the things that fascinates me about Kurt Russell to, to this day

is that, like me, myself, I'm very interested in Walt Disney as a person.

And, I've read many books about him and, I'm fascinated in the history of

the theme parks and that kind of stuff.

And Walt Disney and one of his last appearances on camera before he died,

he said, this new film I'm making stars, a young man named Kurt Russell, who is

gonna have a very long and storied career.

And Walt said that about Kurt, uh, just like weeks before he died.

And it's kind of neat.

And that clip of Walt talking about Kurt, it's on YouTube and

it's, a fascinating, , watch.

And

you also hear that Kurt Russell.

In interviews he's done, as recently as when he did Guardians of the Galaxy.

He talks about, uh, his fondness for Walt and how Walt

treated him, like, like a son.

And he still calls him.

He won't call him Walt, he calls him Mr.

Disney, like, even to this day.

So it's that kind of thing endears me to Kurt.

But as far as my exposure to Kurt as a kid was those Disney movies.

I did see him in like, like I said, big trouble.

I, I didn't watch him in the thing.

I mean, I knew who he was and he had been in some comedies

too that I think I had seen.

But, when I saw him in Backdraft, I will say Backdraft is probably the first movie

Kurt Russell movie I saw in a theater.

Okay.

When I saw it at the Dollar movies and I saw it twice

because, , and when I say this, this reminds me of a specific time

in my life, at the dollar movies.

I didn't see Backdraft about September of that year, , because I didn't

see it in the first run theaters.

And as a 16 year old kid, for me, there was no bigger expression of freedom than

going to the movies on a school night

Ooh.

and driving myself to the movies, honest, like if I

didn't have any homework and, I had some money in my pocket.

That's why the dollar movies were perfect.

I didn't have, I didn't have a real job.

I was mowing yards and stuff, but it was cheap.

It wasn't that far from my house, and if I didn't have any homework, I could

go see a movie on a school night.

And that's why the dollar movies were so important to me at that time in my life.

And I think I saw Backdraft like two or three times at the Dollar movie.

So, yeah.

So that's why when you initially suggested this, I was like, backdraft

to me represents a very specific point in my life, a specific memory for me.

And it was fun to revisit.

Did you get those fond feelings when you re-watched it

Did it take you back to those times?

Now, I hadn't watched back draft, um, probably, I mean,

I had it on VHS but it's probably been 25 years since I had watched

it before watching it for this show.

same.

But there were things during the movie that certain

lines I would, that would, I would remember, , certain things that, that

did that I, that did stick in my brain.

Han Zimmer's score is, it's one of his early masterpieces.

It was also used for years on Iron Chef

that the show.

And that kind of ruined it for me because I started associating it with

the Iron Chef.

But, you know, revisiting it in this film after so many

years, it's really a great score.

, the soundtrack is very memorable.

you

put Han Zimmer on it and it's gonna be golden.

I think

I am a big fan.

And this was the fir and I like Han Zimmer, to this day.

But this, I think Backdraft was the first time I ever kind of stood up and

took notice of, well, who did the music

Mm-hmm.

Han Zimmer doesn't ring a bell, , of course he would go on to

do many, many other famous projects and very talented, very talented person.

Agreed.

I like your stories about Kurt from his earlier work.

That's awesome.

Do you have any specific thoughts about Patrick Swayze or favorite roles of his?

For me, Patrick Swayze, , I guess my favorites roles

of his are point, break and ghost.

Oh, really?

Okay.

That's,

ghost.

The ladies loved ghost.

Mm-hmm.

So you were like, yeah, sure.

I'll go to that

movie with you

it's, it's a movie that it's kind of scary and so they,

they want to grab your arm or hold your hand and it's also very emotional

at the end, so they're crying.

So it's a perfect time to put your arm and comfort him.

Uh, so yeah, ghost

I got you

ghost was my friend.

That's awesome.

I love it.

Okay, Okay, well, we're finally gonna get into Backdraft,

Here we go.

Are you still with us?

I

hope

I know.

It's usually about half and half,

the setup.

I love that.

I, I, that was so fun.

I like anything that makes me feel younger,

The times of your.

So Backdraft was released on May 24th, 1994, and it was rated R It was

really long, actually for the time.

It was two hours and 17 minutes.

The I M D B rating is only a 6.7.

I mean, that's pretty good, but I guess for some reason I

thought it would've been higher.

Because the director is the famous Ron Howard Academy Award-winning filmmaker,

Yes.

Oh, Ron, Ronnie Howard,

The writers are Gregory Widen, who is also known for the

Prophecy Highlander, both backdrops.

Yes.

There was a 2019 sequel.

I think it might have been straight to video.

And

I've watched.

Yeah.

Did you really?

I didn't.

Would you recommend it?

That's a no.

Yeah, that's That's a no.

Gregory also, did an episode of Tales from the Crypt TV series.

Do you remember that?

TV

Oh yeah.

I remember Tales from the Crypt.

As we already talked about, Han Zimmer did the score for this.

Now this is a star studded cast, so , if you haven't seen Backdraft

in a while, revisit it and you'll be pleased because we have Kurt Russell

as Steven McCaffrey, one of the two brothers, and then William Baldwin, a

k a Billy Baldwin as Brian, the younger brother, who in my opinion, is by far

the best looking Baldwin brother Billy.

William Billy.

Anybody else with me on that?

He's a handsome man.

He's very handsome.

And then we have one of my favorites, Robert De Niro.

He's tied for me, , with my other number one.

He plays Donald Rim, Gale, , the investigator Donald Sutherland,

who's great in everything he does.

He's hardly in this movie, but he's one of the top build.

, and he plays, the prisoner name is Ronald, so

Donald is playing Ronald.

And then we have a separate Donald in the movie.

It's kind of confusing.

, Jennifer, Jason Lee, she plays Jennifer who works for the Politician Swayze

and the love interest of Brian Scott.

Glenn as John a K a X.

He's referred to as Ax a lot in the movie.

Rebecca Des Monet plays the ex-wife, or soon-to-be ex-wife of Steven.

Uh, Jason Kedrick, who's very young in this.

He plays one of the other probationary, recruits he's also a recent grad of

the Academy, and his name is Tim.

In the movie, j t Walsh plays the politician, , the Alderman or Mayor,

oral candidate, uh, Martin s Suza.

Tony maus, senior as the Chief, and Jack McGee as Schmidt.

He is in this movie, the heavyset guy

that drives the truck, and he's the Waterman or the Hoseman.

Mm-hmm.

He's an awesome character actor.

, he was the sheriff in Basic Instinct if you

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

And then he played George Ward in the Fighter.

He's got a really extensive career.

So you guys will probably, , recognize Jack McGee in this movie as well.

The description of Backdraft is as a child, Brian McCafferty

watched his firefighter father die.

Years later, he joins his brother Steven in the force by becoming

a rookie Chicago firefighter.

There's a history of conflict between the two brothers that

heats up when working together.

A series of suspicious controlled fires are set, each made to kill a

specific person, and then after becoming frightened in a fire, Brian moves into the

department's Arson investigation office.

He ends up getting a lesson on what it means to be a fireman.

It

He

actually had some awards, , three Oscars,

Mm-hmm.

Best effects, sound effects, editing and best effects in the

video effects and best sound.

Mm-hmm.

also like ome for the visual effects I'm very glad that the

effects are real and we'll, we'll kind of talk about the effects.

It's not c g i fire and I think that's why they're so good.

Okay.

Han Zimmer did win, uh, b m I film music win for him.

So Han Zimmer's to your point about him being great.

So M t v movie awards, I don't know when that ended, but I remember

always liking to watch the M t

I think they, they're still going on.

Oh, are they?

Okay.

they?

still do 'em.

Well, back in the day, it, they were kind of a bigger deal and

so there was a nomination for both Best movie and best

action sequence for back draft.

Nice.

it was a blockbuster in that it grossed 152.4

million on a 40 million budget.

Okay.

Yeah.

Definitely made 'em a profit.

Yes, just a little bit.

I'm actually kind of surprised that the budget was not more

just given all of the effects and the star studded cast, . So what

are your overall impressions?

Rewatching the movie

The things I enjoyed about it were, Kurt Russell is, you

know, he's got charisma to spare and he's really, he's good in this movie.

, Billy Baldwin is, he's okay.

For me, I think my, my favorite part of the movie after rewatching

it is, is Robert De Niro.

I think this is peak 1990s, Robert De Niro.

This is after, , Goodfellas and Cape Fear and before Casino, but.

He, um, you know, these days he's maybe is a bit into self parody, but back

then, I guess he was in his late forties.

He was really, he, he just, he elevates the, he brings a realism to

it that maybe in other parts of the film, , especially some of the stuff

with Baldwin, , it feels, it felt to me a little I dunno, actory like fake,

Agreed.

But when Robert De Niro , is talking about.

You know, it's just the little things that he does.

, he's always, , he's smoking or he's doing business with his hands and the way he

talks to people, it, it feels very, it doesn't feel like he's reading a script.

It feels very natural and I buy that he is a real person, , in this role.

That's really kind of what I focused in on, on my rewatch was like, I, I, I'd

remembered that De Niro was in this, but I was surprised by how good he was in this.

And he is not in it a ton,

but when he is, he's just, he's fascinating to watch, I think.

I agree with you.

That he elevates anything he's in and that's, that's his brilliance.

That's the brilliance of a, an actor of his caliber is that it makes it feel real.

We get a fantastic, he's kind of famous for some of his yelling scenes.

Uh, Robert 10 Niro Yell, and we get one of those in this movie also.

Yes, he does.

He does break out his yell.

I can't remember specific.

I think he's yelling at the Baldwin, isn't he?

It's someone else, it's not Baldwin, but Baldwin overhears him.

That's right.

, I loved De Niro.

Now I gotta say Donald Sutherland.

I thought, and , this could almost be a trope of the time.

Remember we are just about a year or so out from Silence of the Lambs,

Oh,

maniacal,

Yeah, he's the evil mastermind who's locked away, and I

thought, on the rewatch, I thought his initial scene with De Niro was

a bit, maybe comic book villain,

Mm

like just sort of the way he was.

He's like, he's got these ticks and he's always, you know, shaking.

And, he was like, oh, hey, it's my shadow.

It's my shadow at the, and I think he's better in the second scene

With William Baldwin.

Yeah.

When they're just, they're at the table and he's a little more subdued

and he's playing it a little more, I don't know, sinister or realistic.

And, so th that's sort of my thoughts on.

It seems to me, I don't know if it was a trope of cinema of that time, but once

Handleable Lecter came out, everybody wanted to have their version of that.

I think that's a good point that you bring up.

I enjoyed it because it was our introduction to his character.

I didn't mind it being overdone, but now that you point like it is

similar to the Silence of the Lambs,

Yes.

And it, it, it's hard for me to believe that wasn't an influence

it's a good point.

on that scene.

So Jennifer, Jason Lee, there's something I picked up while watching this movie,

and it's something that bothered me back in the day, but it's only now

that I realized why it bothered me.

Almost all of Jennifer, Jason Lee's lines are dubbed, it's.

It's done with ADR in

I didn't notice that.

Okay.

And, and I always thought as a younger person watching this, she

sounded like she was reading a lot.

Like, what are you doing, Brian?

Why?

Uh, and I was like, why does she sound like that?

But listening to it with my old ears, these days, I was like, holy cow,

all this dialogue is very clean.

It was not recorded on the set.

And she was standing in a sound booth reading these lines off of a script and.

I wonder why.

I don't, I

you have any?

I think because a lot of her scenes, they're outside

and it's very difficult, to capture production audio, in an

environment where there's so much stuff going on, especially if you've

got big trucks, , all around you.

I don't know if she's just not because there's a d r throughout the movie and

it didn't bother me , with Baldwin or Kurt Russell, but I think some

people are better at it than others.

I imagine it's hard to create a performance if you're standing

in a sound booth just with a mic, like trying to match what you

are saying on the movie screen.

recreate the scene.

Yeah.

Yes.

And I think that's something that Kurt Russell is very good at.

William Baldwin seems to be very good at it, but maybe some people aren't,

just aren't very comfortable doing that.

And that, I think that comes across to me in, , some of her line delivery.

But , then again, I'm almost a hundred percent sure l most

of her dialogue was dubbed.

Of course, there could be someone out there that knows better than

me, and I could be totally wrong,

Well, , I think that tracks probably, I didn't really note that

much about her other than this seems like a departure from her typical role,

She's more usually known for dramas and really broody

things where an action movie is different.

I guess

Her role is different than her typical in this movie.

Yes,

Yeah.

How about you?

Well, I was, so, I didn't really remember a lot from it other than,

the first time that we're introduced to Steven, it's that famous scene.

He emerges from the shadows of the fiery building, rescuing the person.

And that's Steven that tells us everything we need to know about him.

But the opening scene, I really enjoyed the opening scene, which is set in 1971.

Mm-hmm.

So we see how the father dies

and the

Also played by Kurt.

Played by Kurt and I literally wrote down, damn, he's hot.

He was so hot.

The way that they have him played is the father.

He is got like a seventies mustache, but

like not in a gross way.

And like

He also.

I think he lays on the, the Chicago a little more thick.

Hey, uh, how you doing down there, Brian?

Come on, Brian, let's go do this.

I love it.

Chicago is my favorite American city.

So

anything set in Chicago, I'm a big fan of.

I, yeah,

and all, it's everybody, all their names, they're all very Irish

like this, this whole crew.

Yes.

but yeah, so we see him, I'm like, God, who Kurt looks so good in this movie.

And then later, so he is playing the dad and unfortunately Brian

goes on a call with his dad as an seven, eight year old and witnesses

father Die in an explosion in 1971, and then it cuts to 20 years later.

And that's the rest of the movie.

Kurt in both roles as the father and as Steven is smoking

in this movie, so l I know,

I'm so,

a,

he is a

deep.

man.

he

looks really good.

I also love, I, I liked it back when I first

saw it, and I like it now.

The way he swears the way he drops f bombs , and just

the way he uses profanity.

, it's hard to explain, but stay right back inside me, Brian.

I wrote that down in my notes as well, because I took note.

I thought it was a bravo moment

for Kurt the way, , so he's trying to protect his little brother.

He, right.

Like he feels this fatherly nature about him.

And so he's trying to keep his little brother close because I think he

realizes that his brother's not this, he's not really cut out for this

he he does see his brothers a bit of an F up.

Yes.

I mean, and he's had many failed careers and the brother tries to get on a

different engine, a different station.

But then Steven, the older brother, obviously, he's like, no, I need him

close to me to watch out for him.

So they end up being in the same station, their first call that they go on.

Brian doesn't listen to Steven.

And afterwards he says, in the best, it's one of the best yell scenes ever.

I think he, he says, I told you to stay right The fuck beside me.

But the way he delivers it is perfection.

Yeah.

I really enjoyed that, that, scene.

because he is legitimately scared for his brother, like he doesn't want him to die.

that's true.

And he does a great job of, of playing up.

His, because he's kind of annoyed by his little brother, but also he does have

that brotherly instinct that kicks in but he's not afraid to tell him, Hey, you

know, you're not cut out for this, you know, go back to, you know, whatever.

Because he makes a joke about it in the movie.

He's like, well, what are we doing this week, Brian?

I mean, what, what career did you pick?

But then, of course we see Steven has his own demons.

He's not a perfect guy

despite the fact that he's, and I tell you, one of my favorite scenes

in this movie with Kurt Russell, it's has nothing to do with firefighting.

It's a scene I believed was almost entirely improvd.

And it's when he's with his, , the actor who plays his son and they're

making a.

Breakfast.

There's something about that scene I think that, that Ron Howard just

set up the camera and said, okay, why don't you guys just mess around?

Cuz Kurt's like, what are you doing there?

He goes, I'm gonna put grape jelly in the eggs.

He goes, what?

You know, put jelly.

Okay.

Uh, you gonna take the shells out?

No, no.

It's part of the formula.

I, that all just rang very, like, natural and true to me.

And, it shows me because, I know that, , in real life, Kurt Russell is a father

and a grandfather and it gave me a glimpse into what I would like to believe

he's like in real life, , just sort of like, Hey, what are you doing there?

Oh, oh, you sure you want to?

Okay.