Every year on St. Patrick’s Day, we all hear the story of St. Patrick so we know it by heart, right? Even before most of us were old enough to slurp cheap green beer and scour the streets in search of Jameson, we knew the story of Ireland’s most famous Saint. He used the shamrock to explain to the Pagan Celtic heathens the mystery of the Holy Trinity (three leaves in one shamrock equal the Father, Son, Holy Spirit all God) and he banished all the snakes from Ireland, right?

Not quite, bucko. Patrick was way cooler than that.

hSláinte from the Junior Varsity St. Patrick’s Day Parade! (Otherwise known as our Halloween show at an Irish bar)

How about this?

• He was captured by Irish slavers
• An ethereal voice helped him escape captivity
• He had frickin’ magic duels with pagan wizards
• He argued with an angel about letting him judge the Irish souls on Doomsday.

Just in time for St. Patrick’s Day, we set the record straight on one of Ireland’s favorite saints in this episode celebrating his Feast day and some of our favorite Irish creatures.

tThe Lady Wilde, Oscar’s Mother and Author of Ancient Legends, Mystic Charms, and Superstitions of Ireland

If you’re looking to learn about Irish legends, faeries, and cryptids, one of the perfect places to start is Lady Lady Francesca Speranza Wilde and her book Ancient Legends, Mystic Charms, and Superstitions of Ireland. She wasn’t only a remarkable researcher, writer, and suffragist, but she raised literary giant Oscar Wilde . Even better since her book is in the public domain, you can read the whole thing right here.

Wendy took a dive in to talk about the legend of the banshee, which is steeped in the Celtic tradition of “keening” where a woman or group of women wail a lament over a dead body as part of the burial and grieving process. The banshee would be a premonition of the “keening woman” and it would signal a death in the family, sometimes in the form of an innocent virginal sister of the family who died early.

tThis banshee image was the scariest I could find, damn.

Banshees could also be a type of fairy and Irish legends are full of those as well, including the Phouka and the Kelpie. The Celtic word for the fae is Sidhe (pronounced “she”). Of course that includes everyone’s favorite, leprechauns, whose legends have even made it off Earth and into (ahem) outer space.

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Scott Markus from WhatsYourGhostStory.com once again joins us to talk about the Hellfire Club, an Enlightenment-era Eyes Wide Shut- style party group whose ritualistic orgies that even Jonathan Swift (of Gulliver’s Travels fame said were “a brace of monsters, blasphemers and Bacchanalians”. Hellfire Club rumors include a huge black cat that haunts the grounds as well as stories of Satanic Black Masses where unwary passers-by were left scarred for life. In reality did they worship the Devil? Probably no more than the modern Church of Satan does, they were just rich pr!cks who wanted to party with no rules or repercussions.

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288, Saint

Patrick and the Legends of the Irish. Happy Saint Patty's

Day Yep. From a distance. Right. We are making

sure that, we're not in the same room

here. If everybody could be at least 6 feet from

their speakers right now. Right. Right. We sound better. You have to It's a safe

distance. Just a couple inches. Just move your headphones away from your ears. You'll be

fine. Anyway, we are still podcasting in the

time of the plague here. Yes. Hope everybody's doing well,

staying safe, and not losing their sanity yet Right. From being

sequestered. And I am celebrating Saint Patrick's day a little early,

today, 16th, by sucking down some Jameson right here

and keeping my intestines my internal body clean or

whatever by giving it an alcohol wipe. Yeah. I

I was gonna join you with a Guinness, but I'm saving my Guinness for tomorrow.

Oh, yes. Actual Saint Patty because we're recording this on Wendy, 16th.

But, I am joining you with a little glass of wine here. Alright. Yep. I

wouldn't let you drink alone. That's alright. And I am Mike,

so I feel like I can start drinking at any point. Oh,

yeah. I forgot to tell you that, I did the the

DNA testing recently. Oh, you Wendy. Okay. Wendy, let's give it

up. So we find out that Wendy's actually, Colombian or

something. I'm a Stizo Indian. But, you know, like most

people, there is a small percentage that it says probably Irish. So Alright.

You know, the big mixing pot over there with everybody invading everybody else

and whatnot, like, who knows? And my DNA test confirmed that I have

no part Irish at all. So I'm the absolute fraud sitting in on this episode.

It was funny because we never really talked about that, like, part of the

family or whatever. But my grandmother, her grandparents had come

over during the potato famine. So, like, she is

almost all Irish and English. Well, that explains your red

beard. Right. Exactly. Yes. So she I mean, so I'm I'm about Wendy%

Irish in English. But it's a funny thing because she,

like, went off so her family was Catholic or whatever, but then

she ran off with a guy that was Christian Scientist.

And she became a Christian Scientist and kind of,

you know, tossed aside all the stuff that she'd grown up

with, even the like even the English and Irish traditions in her family. Wow.

So when she eventually married my grandfather, who wasn't a

Christian scientist or whatever, she remained being loyal to the Christian Science

thing. And my father, his traditions grew up with

mostly German traditions of his father and his grandmother or his mother. Just

didn't say, like you know, she just didn't go through with that stuff. So

I never really even thought of us as Irish or anything like that. So no,

like, 25%. You're Mike, oh, where did that come from or whatever? Like, it's

Mike, I know I like drinking. I didn't, you know, I thought, like, I'm kind

of a cliche. It explains why you like potatoes and whiskey

so much. That's right. Oh, but, speaking of our

imposter guest voice over here, we have yet to introduce our guest.

Speaking of potatoes and whiskey. Right. The non the completely

non Irish, Scott Marcus, welcome. Thank you. Happy to have you back.

Yes. Yeah. It's been since the solstice. I think that's the last episode I

was on. Really? Oh, my gosh. From what's your ghost story dot

com, Scott's joining us. And he's done some research on

Irish, legends and and just weird stuff. Right? Right. And I

think we gotta give a shout out of thanks to, one of our one of

your patrons, Chuck Yeah. Who the he suggested doing

the, the letter a day challenge last year. Oh, yeah. The Apple

Alphabet Challenge. Yeah. And, when I got the letter I, I thought, well, I should

look up some Irish legends. So that's why I know anything to be talking

about here is because Chuck inspired that. That's awesome. Yeah. Thank you, Chuck.

And, also, I've been a little obsessed with Irish music over the past few years.

So I'm always eager to learn more about especially,

weird Irish stuff. And there's so much of it, so we should probably get right

down to it here. And the first of all, I mean, when they talk about

the Emerald Isle, they talk about Ireland.

When you go there, I'll be honest, it did feel like

a magical place. Aw. That's cool. It did like, I did not

expect Ireland to be I thought that Ireland was gonna be

Mike a Lucky Charms tourist trap.

I really did. And instead, it's,

the cities aren't that big. I mean, Dublin's a big city or whatever.

Mhmm. I mean but the cities aren't huge

kind of cities, that you would expect.

There's totally places where, I mean, it's

just dudes and sheep kind of thing. And

so it it it really is kind of like an Irish

Spring commercial, and I did not expect Ireland to be like that whatsoever.

It was amazing. And, and, of course, I

had a paranormal experience at the Blarney Castle, which we've talked about before.

Yes. Very cool. And I think, well, we will in the show notes, we'll

link to our other Irish episodes because we do have a number of them that

we've accumulated over the years. Yeah. But, Mike, what was the effect on you

of that experience you had? Well, I really just felt

Mike, it was a place where anything could happen.

That's cool. For some reason, I felt so exciting. Like, just I felt like it

was a place where anything can happen, where magic could happen. I know that sounds

cheesy or whatever, but I did Hey. I really felt connected to it. I enjoyed

it. We're from Wisconsin. We welcome cheesiness. I suppose we do. I suppose

we do. But the thing is, a couple of things that I didn't

realize. Number 1 is that Mike Saint Patrick is not

the only patron saint of Ireland. Okay.

There's there's Saint Brigid, who I don't know too much about,

but so she ain't my problem. We'll save her for a different episode,

I guess. And then there's St. Columba, who

I do know something about. And, St.

Columba is one of the patron saints of Ireland, but the only

reason that I know who he is is because the first story

of the Loch Ness monster is in a history of Saint Columba.

Oh, wow. That's amazing. He's going back

Sorry. He's going back and forth between Ireland and Scotland, and,

you know, he goes through to Scotland, and he finds a group of Picts,

p I c t s, Picts, which were a, you know, a tribe,

a Celtic tribe. And he finds a group

of Picts who are who are burying somebody who'd been killed by a monster.

And he's going, you know, he's like, I'm gonna

go find, you know, I'll go find that monster for you because he's a saint,

and that's what saints do. And so he goes to the

the river nest, which is a river flowing out of the loch, out of loch

ness. Okay. And he goes to the river, sees a

man swimming, and the monster's coming after him. Woah.

And and so this is what is it this is the era when

the Christian missionaries are convincing the pagans

why it's sweet to be a Christian. I mean, that's what Saint Patrick did, and

we'll talk more about that in a second. But Columbus is like, don't worry. I'll

save him. He sees the monster, gives the sign of the cross, and

says, thou shalt go no further nor touch the

man. Go back with all speed. The beast Sean Connery was there?

Yeah. Scottish, 8th century, the best I could do

here. It's either gonna be Sean Connery or it's gonna be Scotty

from Star Trek, and Scotty from Star Trek was not gonna work with

that phrase. Fair. Fair point. The beast flees,

and he saves the swimmer from the Loch Ness

Monster. Wow. Cool. And then all of a sudden,

the the pagans are Mike, holy crap. Alright, man. We're with you on

Jesus, And they and they convert. So that's Mike a conversion

story is the first story of the Loch Ness Monster. And interesting that the

Loch Ness Monster is such an evil thing in that story. Yeah. Oh,

yeah. I Mike it, like, ripped the guy in half. Like, the Wendy read

the original story, and Nick referenced book Nessie probably has the

best version of the Saint Columba story that I've heard.

Like, Nessie, like, ripped the guy apart or whatever. So it's Mike a horrific thing

that Saint Columba shows up at and then saves this other person

with the sign of the cross, And then all the pagans are, like, oh,

man. If Jesus can do this kind of thing, then we're down. We're on his

team. Right. We're on team JC. Okay. Alright.

Wow. Well, that's pretty cool. So why is Saint Patrick famous, everybody?

Why are we celebrating today, Mike? Right. I mean, well, we're celebrating today because it's

a day that ends in why, but also

because Saint Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland,

he converted the pagan tribes,

the Druidic pagan tribes of the Celts,

to Christianity in the 5th century.

And so, the reason that they have

the shamrock as the symbol of Saint Patrick

is because the shamrock, the 3 different leaves of the clover,

that's how he explained to them the trinity. The father, son, the

holy ghost was that they are 3, but they are also 1.

The tripartite kind of thing, you know, the

so he explains that to them. The other big legend about Saint

Patrick is that he banished the snakes from Ireland, that he was so

holy that he could do that. But, obviously, there are

no snakes in Ireland? He did a very good job. Deanna Jones

is thankful. Right. So it went pretty well for him that way. But

that was all symbolism for banishing the, like, the paganism.

Right. The serpent obviously, the old testament,

you go back in there, and the serpent is the guy that tempts Eve to

eat the apple. And the, you know, when you

the idea that Satan is represented as this serpent,

like that Saint Patrick banishing the devil from Ireland. Mhmm.

But the thing is there's a whole bunch of stuff I didn't know about Saint

Patrick's. And we look it up, like, let's go in. And Get what's the dirt,

Mike? Just want Irish legends. I'm like, okay. Like, there's always

cool stuff about saints, miracles and things they did. So let's

start with it. So Saint Patrick, I didn't realize, he wrote a confession,

which a like, in the 4th 5th century,

that's what an autobiography was called. It was called your

concession. The memoir. So the the first Tell all. The first tell all. Yeah.

The first autobiography really ever written is by Saint

Augustine of Hippo, and it's called Augustine's Confessions.

And it's Mike the first memoir in literature, and,

they kinda took that. So Saint Patrick wrote his own confessions. He's

born around the year 450, and he's born into a Christian

family, in Roman Britain. So he's

somewhere in Roman Britain. So you don't know if he's actually

Celtic or he's British or he could be any of the different,

nationalities that were represented by the Roman Empire at the time. So he's

born there. He lives for 16 years. He's living with his family.

His grandfather is a Catholic priest, because this is at a time when

priests could get married and have families. That didn't happen until, like, the

late 8 100 or whatever when the Catholic church was like, nope.

You guys gotta keep it in your pants. And,

so so Saint Patrick 16, and he gets captured by

slavers. So Ugh. I

didn't realize they were, like, Irish pirates, slavers, who

if they just caught you walking around it's it's actual human trafficking.

So Saint Patrick is, like, the first victim of human trafficking. He

gets trafficked. He gets picked up, and then he has to be, like,

a shepherd in Wales for, 6 years.

And so he's stuck being a shepherd. And, like,

he's just somebody's slave, and his job is to take care of sheep. And

then one day, he hears a voice,

and the voice says, your ship is ready.

And he's like, okay. So then He felt the

calling. Yeah. He felt the he felt he felt the call. Tonight was his night

to escape, and he runs. I mean, he ran, like,

a 100 miles or something like Mike, so it took several days for him to

escape. But he runs out, and then, he

finds a ship, and the ship won't take him away.

And they're like, nope. In fact, here's how he writes it. When he finds

that he, you know, he gets a voice that says, there's a ship

ready for you. And then he goes to this place, and the ship's totally not

ready for him. Here's how he writes it. The day I arrived, the ship was

about to leave the place. I said I needed to set sail with them, but

the captain was not at all pleased. He replied unpleasantly and

angrily, don't you dare to try come with us. When I heard that I

left them and went back to the hut where I had lodgings, I began to

pray while I was going. And before I even finished the prayer, I heard one

of them shout aloud at me, come quickly. The men are calling you. I turned

back right away, and they began to say to me, come. We'll trust you. Prove

you're our friend any way you wish. But he refused

to suck their breasts. Well Yeah. Okay.

So this was a thing, to show loyalty

to pirates k. Is that he

refuses like, if you wanted to show loyalty to pirates or on a

ship, you had to

suck the captain's breasts. No. Oh my gosh. This

this is a thing here. This is some kind of weird fraternity. Suck me

his boobs. Like I guess that is a weird fraternity. Yeah.

So maternal of those cats. But he refused to it because he said he was

a Christian or whatever. And he said, you know, I hope you might come to

faith in Jesus one of these days. And because, like, it was

his staunch, like, refusal to even when they said, we

won't take you along, that we will, you know, unless you suck the

captain's boobs or whatever Yeah. These are

dudes now and which is probably

gross pirate hairy boobs. So so we're not

take talking Mike Geena Davis in Cutthroat Island or anything like that. No. No. No.

No. No. It's they're just it's like a it's like sucking an ape's

boobs. And and Saint

Patrick such authority. Right. Saint Patrick refused.

And they were Mike, okay. Now you can come along

because you were so steadfast in your You resisted your faith.

Wow. So that was something I learned about Saint Patrick that's

new. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. You're Mike, okay. He was a slave, and you're like, oh,

that's pretty intense. And you're like, okay. And he was

almost forced to suck a dude's boobs to travel on a ship. Alright.

Intense. But he wouldn't bend the knee. Right. He wouldn't bend

something. And okay. And so,

also, that night, he has a vision of, like,

the devil putting him to the test, and he, you know, he

writes, the same night while I was sleeping, Satan strongly put me to

the test. I will remember it as long as I live. It was if an

enormous rock fell on Mike, and I lost all power in my limbs.

Although I knew little about the life of the spirit at the time, how was

it that I knew to call upon Helius? Helius, who

is a, like, a Christian martyr from the 3rd

century or whatever, and so he, you know,

he calls out, Helius, Helius with all his strength, and he says, the splendor

of the sun fell on Mike, and immediately all that weight lifted. And I

believed I was helped by Christ the Lord and that his spirit cried out for

me. I trust I'll be like this whenever I'm under stress, and the

gospel says, in that day, the Lord testifies, it will not be

you who will speak, but the spirit of your father who speaks in you.

So that night after he gets on the boat and he's gonna go home to

his family, the devil tempts him where the devil tries to threaten him with

some Mike of crazy dream, and then he calls out a martyr's name he doesn't

know and is saved. So there's a couple, like,

alright. Cool things about Patrick right there. Yeah. That's very divine.

Right. But there's also, Mike, okay. He's got visions,

you know, he's a slave, he refuses to suck a dude's boobs,

And then, how he converts the Irish is

interesting too because he doesn't tell them that

their gods aren't real. In fact, he's like, yeah.

Your gods are sweet or whatever. But he's like, you know who's sweeter?

Jesus. And his whole thing is that the

Christian god is more powerful than their god, and that's

how he converts them. Interesting. Because It is interesting to take that approach

because you're already talking to a group of people that believe that there's more than

one god. Right. So, like, well, here's another one that you just haven't heard about

yet. I mean, granted, there's a superiority complex there. But,

but but as opposed to, like, saying all of your stuff is wrong, that just

would close the door on any Mike that sale, I guess. Right. Yeah. Good

point. He's like, oh, you got a god? That's cool. Check out Mike

end. And then he goes in actually, in

one of the biographies of him, they talk about how he goes

to this place called Terah on Easter day.

And on Easter Day is a feast day for the pagans,

because, I mean, the Christians kind of appropriated the time of Easter, the

spring celebration, because it, you know, it kinda made it easier for the

pagans to wanna have a party or whatever if they were already having a party.

They're just like, okay. Well, let's just make it about Jesus instead of whatever's going

on. Let's piggyback on that. Yeah. And that I mean, they did it with Christmas,

everything. I mean Yeah. The the Christian missionaries, they

they were no slouches when it came to cultural appropriation,

and it worked. Marketing. Okay? Yeah. So

he's dueling with these druids. And, you know you know,

Patrick's saying you know, Patrick shows up with, like, 5 dudes, like, 5

apostles with him or whatever, and they would show up at these places

and just be like, hey. We wanna tell you about Jesus. It's kinda like

imagine if the, the

Jehovah's Witnesses showed up at your house and you let them in for dinner,

but then they actually performed a miracle instead of just giving you a copy of

the Watchtower. Very, very persuasive. Yes.

So let's go to, this particular biography of him written in, like,

9th century. Now while they're all eating, the druid

Louisette Mike, who had taken part in the conflict in the previous night, was

anxious even on that day now that his colleague had perished to fight

against holy Patrick. And as a start, he puts a drop of poison from

his cup into the goblet of Patrick while others looked on in order to find

out what Patrick would do. Holy Patrick sees the kind of test to

which he was being subjected. He blesses the goblet in the sight of all, and

the liquor froze like ice. Then he turned his goblet upside

down, and the only drop which the druid had added fell out. And he

blessed the goblet again, the liquor resumed its natural state, and they were

all greatly astonished. And after a short while, the druid

said, let us work miracles in this vast plain. And Patrick

replied, what sort of miracles? And the druid said, let

us bring snow over the land. And Patrick said, I do not want to bring

anything about against God's will. And the druid said, I shall bring it

about in the sight of all. Then uttering some spells, he brought snow,

reaching up as far as a man's belt over the entire plain, and all saw

this and were astonished. And Patrick said, alright. We see

this. Remove it now. And the druids said, until this hour tomorrow, I

cannot remove it. And the holy man said, you can do evil and cannot

do good. Not so I. Then he blesses the plane all around, and in no

Mike, without rain or mister wind, the snow vanishes, and the crowds

cheered and were greatly astonished and touched in their hearts.

And a little later, the druid, through the invocation of demons, brings a

thick fog over the land as a sign, and the people were angry. And

Patrick said, remove the fog. But, again, the guy wouldn't do

it. The holy man, however, prays. He blesses the place,

and the frogs dispel it once, the sun shines again, and the people cheered and

gave thanks. After that, Patrick I mean, he had, like, magical

duels for that. Right. That's a heck of a duel. That's like a

wizard duel. Right. And and it's

funny because those are Mike the like the the nice duels. There's

also duels where, Mike, Mike,

seeing that the impious heathen were about to attack him, because Patrick's gonna get killed

by a bunch of pagans, he gets up and says,

may God come forward to scatter his enemies, and may those who hate him flee

from his face. And what happens is, like all

the guys chasing him, 49 guys die at the moment.

They just die. Heesh. And then the king, like, bends his knee and

is like, alright, Patrick. You're my guy. And so he he

has, like, magical battles with druids. These guys have incantations. They

call upon demons. They call upon their heathen gods or

whatever, and Patrick beats him every time. And so I think that's one of

the cool things about Saint Patrick is that we just thought, like, oh,

yeah. Shamrock. That's a I guess that's a really good symbol or

whatever. Not that he was having magical tools Harry Potter

style, and he was putting them down. Right. Yeah. It's a lot more exciting when

you hear that type of story of the, like it's like a Merlin versus

Gandalf thing going on. Mike Yeah. Totally. Let's see what you got.

That's exactly what kinda things and then there's also some weird stuff about

Saint Patrick too. Like, he says his,

like, his other bishops in the area would try to

put him on trial, and he writes this in his confession. He goes, one time,

I was put to the test by some superiors of mine. They came and put

my sins against my hard work as a bishop. This hit me very hard,

so much so that it seemed I was about to fall both here and in

eternity. So it was bad enough that he's gonna go to hell.

But the lord and his kindness spared the converts and the strangers for the sake

of his name and strongly supported me when I was so badly treated. They

brought up against me after 30 years something I'd already confessed

before I was a deacon. What happened was that one day, when I was

feeling anxious and low, with a very dear friend of mine, I referred

to some things I had done one day, rather, 1 hour, when I

was young before I overcame my weakness. I don't

know. God knows. Whether I was then 15 years old at the

time and I didn't believe in the living God, not even when I was a

child. So what did

he do that they had to bring it up in court or whatever

for 1 hour when he was 15 years old?

I've got an idea. Of course you

do. I just mean, like, is that

really a thing? You're gonna take it like a guy that had done all these

great deeds or whatever? He must have done something that really upset

people to do that. But that's Yeah. But back then, it didn't take

much to upset people. That's true. It could be a political thing too. They

killed Socrates for Christ's sake. Yeah.

But those are just little like, he just had a lot of drama. And

there's even this, like, crazy thing, in this, like, 9th

century biography of Patrick that called the tripartite

life of Saint Patrick. And in the

translation, it talks about him having a,

like, an argument with an angel. Like, he goes somewhere.

He has to pray for 40 days or whatever somewhere because he's

going through a tough time, and he's in an argument with an angel. And, you

know, the argument is about, like, he says that he has to

redeem more souls from hell than any other saint.

Like, it's his job to, like, bring people out of the lake of fire.

Yeah. And it's also his job that he would

get to be the one to judge the Irish sinners at the end of

time. So it's Mike even though

it's Jesus' job or whatever to judge sinners, like, he's like, I need to

judge these sinners at the end of time. And this whole

the angel is like, no way or whatever, and then he, like, prays for 40

days, and the angel comes back. He's like, okay. We'll let you do the

judging. Okay. You know, we'll let you redeem a bunch of souls

from hell. And the last thing he says is that I will

never let the English rule over Ireland. He calls him the Saxon

or whatever, though. Mhmm. Because this is before the

Norman invasion, so he says the Saxon can never rule over

Ireland. And the Angel's Mike, okay, but we know

how how that Wendy, like, because the English ruled

Ireland for, like, 700 years. So maybe that

particular biography didn't have all the kinks worked out, but Saint

Patrick, an interesting guy, did a lot of cool things. Whether

they're true or not, I have no idea. But I'm

willing to drink a toast to him because I'd learned a lot about him when

we were researching this episode, and he seems like a lot more fun than I

thought he was. You know? Because he seems like a boring priest or whatever. But

if if you knew he was the guy that, like, took on Druids and is

Mike, come get some. Right. And he lives part of his life as a slave

and, like, was able to escape that life. That's pretty amazing in and of itself.

And if you're a slave for 6 years and you wanna get on a boat

and somebody's like, okay. You can get on this boat, but you're

gonna have to suck my nipple. And Saint Patrick's

like, uh-uh. Like, that is a that's a ballsy move. Like,

Saint Patrick's like, you know what? I did that when I was a kid. I

don't gotta do it anymore. I'm out. And so,

may we all be so brave. Right? Yeah. Definitely. Hi.

Hi. So that's what I learned about Saint Patrick's Day, and I was a lot

of fun. What you mean by that? Like, rolled with pirates has some swagger. So

you're doing alright. Yeah. Roll with pirates and live to tell the tale. Yeah. You

know? Mike, that's impressive. Also, though, next time I get

a, like, a corporate job or whatever when I have underlings No. You're gonna

make I mean, I'm gonna No, Mike. Do you know how do you know how

we show loyalty here? I I can see the HR

paperwork now. I'm just gonna say Right. Fair enough.

Fair enough. But the thing is, I mean, Saint Patrick's a lot of fun,

but I I don't wanna say the Irish are superstitious folk,

but there's certainly plenty of legends to go around. Yeah.

And it's really interesting how the legends,

once the Christianity entered that country,

the impact that it had on their deep seated legends, It

didn't wipe them out, but it definitely altered them as things

proceeded, as people's belief systems kind of,

melded and, you know, evolved through that. I feel like it's kind of voodoo

ish. You know, the way we talk about voodoo is you

have I mean, they're Catholic, but yet the

saints kinda operate in these different places where the

animistic gods of West Africa operated, or almost

how now if you would ask any kind of Mexican

about or they're Catholic, of course we're Catholic, but we're going to

leave something for Santa Muerta, you

know, and that becomes, you know, it

becomes part of the faith. And I think the, you know, the Irish are

interesting because they certainly exhibit that, you know,

14 or 13 centuries before voodoo or, you know,

15 centuries before Santa Muerta. Yeah. So

with respect to the Irish culture and Irish, you know, legends and things,

I'm gonna be referring to this amazing book. It's called Ancient

Legends, Mystic Charms and Superstitions of Ireland.

And it was written by Lady Wilde

who actually was yeah. She was Oscar Wilde's

mom. And That's awesome. Yeah. I didn't even know that. I've been reading

this for, like, months now, and I didn't make the connection. Yeah. I'm slow.

But anyway Who would have thought that though? You know? That that he wasn't the

1st author in the family, you know? Right. And it's just funny because so this

family, her husband actually was researching was really

deeply interested in the legends of Ireland. And

so he had been doing a bunch of research, but he died before he had

a chance to publish it. So she took his research up and put it into

this, like, compendium of all these different and, you know, these are all

things that have been passed down folklore. It's it's stories that people tell

and share, and it's just word-of-mouth. So they aren't

very well chronicled until this point. So,

Lady Wilde. So I'm I'm gonna reference, you know, as we continue our

conversation here because it touches on, like, every possible kind of

odd paranormal Alright. Myth, legend, superstition.

It's really cool. But first and foremost, I have

to say that I was sort of delighted to find out that, apparently,

Oscar Wilde while so sadly, his

mother, the lady Wilde, passed away while he was

in prison. He had done a couple years in prison because he was accused

of, indecency. Mhmm. Right. And Just

watch the movie with Stephen Fry and you'll get the whole thing. Alright. Yeah. And

Oscar Wilde is the writer of one of the creepiest tales ever

told, the The Picture of Dorian Gray. So if you haven't read that yet, I

recommend checking it out. It's And one of the most charming plays, The

Importance of Being Earnest. That's right. So, Mike, it really and that you can

even read that today and you can have a good time as a modern reader,

I think. Yeah. Maybe not if you're a jaded bastard, but I like

that. But, anyway, so he

his mom passed away while he was in prison. And

there is a story that, actually, he saw her her

an apparition of her at the time of her passing while he was in

prison. A crisis apparition. Yeah. They call it a fetch,

actually. And it's kind of Mike, they define it

as an exact spectral double of a living

human whose appearance is regarded as ominous. So it probably was maybe

just before she passed away. Sounds like a doppelganger. Basically, yeah. It is

like a doppelganger. Exactly. And so, I just thought that was an

interesting little paranormal connection with the Wilde family that, you

know, as the poor guy was in jail and his mom

died and he saw her appear before him while

he was in jail. So but the Lady Wilde documented

all this folklore and things like that. And the book, I like I said, if

you're into this stuff, I definitely it'll give you enough reading to get you through,

like, until next Saint Patty's Day. But it starts off with

a preface discussing the whole concept of how the

Irish embraced Christianity and, like, incorporated

into it a lot a lot of their tales. So they would still have, like,

their magic fields and trees and stuff, but they would add to them,

like, a saint or, you know, some saintly deed or

things like that. So Sure. It's a real interesting

how everything melds together with that. That's great. I and I'll let

you get back to that. But I was gonna bring up this concept because you

look if you're looking at haunted places in America as I've spent a lot of

my life doing, it's, you know, pretty standard fare. There's, you

know, there's a woman in white. There's a ghostly apparition of this. There's

poltergeist activity. There's these kind of, you know, you could go down a checklist and

just check the necessary boxes for each location. But you start looking

at, Irish, myths and folklore and

haunted sites, and you have stuff like the banshee and, of course, fairies and

all these things that are so spectacular. And, Mike, as you were talking about how

the place feels magical, even the folklore and and traditions and

current present day beliefs because people do believe that you

can still see leprechauns, and fairies are are these

other entities that you're sharing the the landscape with. Right. And you

can't disturb their areas. Like, there's roads that go specifically

around. Absolutely. It's just so I that's

why I love doing this cross cultural learning about other belief systems

because this is just stuff we don't have. Mike, we don't have anything to compare

it with. So where in the world is this coming from? And I was wondering

does it go back to Wiccan things? But I guess it's the the culmination of

all of this happening together. Exactly. Yeah. It's this combination

of everything. And, I mean, so I guess we can just dive right into

it. You brought up something, Scott, that's very popular Irish

character, which is the banshee. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know. I've dated

her. Which is basically kind of kind of

an Did you make her whale, Mike? Yeah. Yeah. She

made me whale. It's kind of an omen of something bad to

come. So I'm gonna read you a little quote here from this book

just to give you a little sort of a definition

of the Banshee. Okay. So the Banshee means

especially the woman of the fairy race from Van, the

woman, the beautiful, the same word from which comes Venus.

Shilo Van was one of the names of Buddha, the son of the woman.

And some writers think that in the Irish Sullivan

may be found in this ancient name of Buddha. So the Irish name

Sullivan. As the Linenshi was the acknowledged

spirit of life giving inspiration to the poet and the musician. So the

Banshi was the spirit of death, the most weird and

awful of all the fairy powers. But only certain families of historic

lineage or persons gifted with music and song are attended by the

spirit. For music and poetry are fairy gifts and the possessors of them

show kinship to the spirit race. Therefore, they are watched over by the

spirit of life, which is prophecy and inspiration, and by the spirit of

doom, which is the revealer of the secrets of death.

Sometimes the banshee assumes the form of some sweet singing virgin of the family

who died young and has been given the mission by the invisible powers to become

the harbinger of coming doom to her mortal kindred. Or she

may be seen at night as a shrouded woman, crouched beneath the trees,

lamenting with veiled face, or flying past in the moonlight crying

bitterly, and the cry of the spirit is mournful beyond all other

sounds on earth and betokens certain death to some member of the

family whenever it is heard in the silence of night. Well, that's all the

more reason to the die of virgin. Right?

So I just think that's really first of all, you know, people who

basically, it's accusing musicians of being, you know, in

this the the spirit to the fairy race as they

say. So maybe maybe we're cursed, Mike, as musicians. I don't

know. Well, actually, there's an excellent book written by a guy who

lives near Madison. And if I can remember the name of it,

has these, like, fairy musicians as the

heroes of it. And the Tufa novels, It's a guy named

Alex Bledsoe, and he's from the south and but

he lives in the Wisconsin area now. Oh, okay. But, he

writes these books about the tufa, which are these

musical fairies who live in the Smoky Mountains, but they're

all, like, Irish derived. Okay. And I've only read the first book,

The and the Shiver, and it's it's really interesting,

but the fairies are always very musical. Okay. It's interesting. When I was

doing my research, I I found that some of the older stories, they

that that that scream, the banshee's wail that we we hear

nowadays, we hear about it, like, if you hear it, that means you're cursed. Almost

like you saw your doppelganger that, oh, if you heard this, then you're

marked or you're at least told you're gonna be dead next. But some of those

older stories involved someone within a family

passing away, but then the family members heard the scream, and that was a

almost like a message, almost like the, the the Pony Express came

to let him know that somebody in your family died. Oh. So it wasn't the

death actually happened, and the banshee kind of informed the family.

And and then over time, it's become this. So it Mike me think of the,

the Mothman too. Oh, gosh. Yeah. In in the sense of

people saw the Mothman and then the bridge collapse happened, and people are saying, oh,

a lot of people make that connection that, oh, Mothman caused this. Like, well, maybe

he was just warning or passing word along. Giving you a little heads up.

Exactly. Yeah. And and one of the other things I love and and they you

mentioned it in what you read there that the banshees were associated with specific

families. You mentioned Sullivan, the research I found, that it was

mostly families with Mike or o apostrophe starting the name.

And, and in time, most of those families have died off from ancient

lineage. And so now there are all of these banshee still roaming the land

that are no longer assigned to a family. So what are they doing now? And

maybe they're causing havoc. Who knows? Yeah. Maybe your family needs a banshee.

Yep. My family certainly does. Just call

1800 banshee. Yeah. Exactly. Call 1800

Mick Banshee. So the banshee is a very popular Irish

character that we hear about all the time and for good reason

because she's scary. Well, also, it's this this idea of

the saddest sound in the world. Yeah. That wail. You know, there's

a wail. There's a cry. There's something you know, there's just

something about crying that activates,

like, our Empathy zone. Yeah. Yeah. It it activates

something in your brain because the idea as social animals

were evolved to respond to the sound of crying. Right.

Jeff VanderMeer uses that in annihilation.

If that's the the Southern Reach trilogy they made in the movie

with, Natalie Portman. That was actually pretty good. Not really like the

book at all, but still a pretty good movie. But there's a there's a certain

character that has, like, a banshee like wail that people hear in the night.

And, it just maybe you know, when you talked about the saddest sound

that you can ever hear in the world, then we think about that. And

then, you know, you think about the if you hear a cry,

Mike, it's like when you hear a a rabbit being killed by an owl or

something like that. Oh, yeah. It sounds like a child crying. And when you hear

that, your natural reaction is like, oh my god. There's a baby down. Right. We

gotta do something. Rabbit. Right. Right. A wascally web.

Formerly wascally. Right. And so that

that's a sad that's a sad thing and it it activates something in human emotion

and empathy. Right. So the banshees, you

know, that's a pretty popular, I guess, myth or or

maybe not a myth, but a character. Yeah. Embolive. And

so I'm gonna just right away get this out because we know

the fairies, the fae, the she They're here.

Whatever you wanna call them. That's another very important Irish legend.

And as you said, the banshee is in that family. Yes. That she is considered

a fairy herself. Yeah. And actually, it's there's, like, a really gray

line between, like, ghosts, fairies, you know, every black line. It's

an interchangeable word in some ways. It seems like it. Yeah. It seems like just

from the stuff that I've read. But but the fairy race,

they refer to him as the she which and it's spelled s I d h

e. But the she or spirit race called also the

fade ray or fairies are supposed to have been

once angels in heaven who were cast out by divine

command as a punishment for their inordinate pride.

Yeah. Some fell to Earth and dwelt there long before man was created as the

first gods of the Earth. Others fell into the sea and they built

themselves beautiful fairy palaces of crystal and pearl underneath the

waves, but on moonlit nights they often come up on the land

riding their white horses and they hold rebels with their fairy Kindred on the

Earth who live in the clefts of the hills. And they dance together on the

greens word under the ancient trees and drink nectar from the cups of the flowers,

which is the fairy wine. Other fairies, however,

are demonical and given to evil and malicious deeds.

For when cast out of heaven, they fell into hell and there the devil holds

them under his rule and he sends them forth as he wills upon missions

of evil to tempt the souls of men downward by the false glitter of sin

and pleasure. These spirits dwell under the Earth and

impart their knowledge only to certain evil persons chosen of the devil who

gives them power to make incantations and brew love potions and to

work wicked spells and they can assume different forms by their knowledge and

use certain magical herbs. The witch women who have been

taught by them and have thus become tools of the evil one are the

terror of the neighborhood for they have all the power of the fairies and all

the malice of the devil who reveals to them secrets of times and days and

secrets of herbs and secrets of evil spells. And by the power of magic,

they can affect all their purposes whether for good or for

ill. So this is complex now. We've

got good fairies. We've got bad fairies. We've got fairies on land. We've got fairies

in water. Like, they're everywhere. And there's this whole, like,

good and evil thing going on between the fairies. So the fairies,

basically, just kinda get turned to the angels

in Christian spirituality. Right.

So they they get that kind of Semitic Hebrew

angels cosmology pushed on to the fairies. So,

like, it's okay. Like, some of them are evil, but that's because they were the

ones who were cast out of heaven. Right. Exactly. And that's why they do these

deeds that are not kind. Right.

But it's interesting because it's similar to the rest

of the culture's ideas, whether it's the Siberian spirits

or whether it's the, the djinn,

the jinn of the Middle East Mhmm. Or whether it's

the the angels Yeah. And the demons of the

Abrahamic religions, or now it's the now it's just the fairies of the

Celtic religions. So it's all this idea of the there are spirits out there,

and someone to hurt you and someone to help you, but also

communing with them can be a dangerous thing as well.

Also, they're always lurking. They're always on the

periphery lurking Probably right now. Yeah. Trying to

get to meddle with humans. And, like, they're very

fascinated by humans. They think humans are great and they wanna,

like, capture and steal them and take them away. And so it's kind of

another way of scaring your kids basically into, you

know, not going into the woods late at night and stuff like that. Sure. They

use a lot of those those fairy tales as There we go. Fairy tales. Right.

Exactly. So there's that aspect of it as well. And

they're virtually in every story. I mean, it's,

even if it's leprechauns or elves or any of the other ones, they're

all some form of fairy. So so do we know more

because I don't. Do we know more about what the origin of the leprechaun

concept is other than, like, hanging out in the ghetto or

Right. I mean, I basically the way I think about the leprechaun is the

leprechaun as serial killer Yes. As watching the movie

Leprechaun. Exactly. Or hanging out in Alabama up in a tree.

Yeah. I I don't know what the actual origin is. There is

this this little bit here where they say, in the

same the same book, the leprechauns are merry industrious trixie

little sprites who do all the shoemaker's work. I don't wanna be described like that

someday. We can make that happen. Right. Next time we

introduce you, Scott Yeah. In the show. So they they do all the

shoemakers work and the tailors and the cobblers for the fairy gentry. So they work

for the fairies. Okay. So they're like a little, like, you know

So they earn that knowledge. Yeah. And they're often seen at sunset under the hedge

singing and stitching. They know all the secrets of hidden treasure and if they take

a fancy to a person, we'll guide them to the spot in the fairy wrath

where the pot of gold lies buried. But yeah. So leprechaun seem to be like

the workhorses for the fairies. They they do they get the

stuff done. They're like the the menuhune a little bit to me. Oh,

interesting. They allegedly would come out and and help. They they could be

disruptive as well, but they also would, you know, get the job done for some

people sometimes. Interesting. And they wore red. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm

looking at. The the prior to the 20th century, the leprechauns wore

red. Different versions. The northern leprechaun wore a military red

coat and white breeches. Tipperary wore an

antique slashed jacket of red. Carrie wore a

fat Percy little fellow whose jolly round face rivals in redness, the

cutaway jacket he wears. Monaghan, a

swallow tailed evening coat of red with a green vest, white breeches,

black stockings. What about Lucky? So well,

obviously, Lucky wears green, and so does the psychotic leprechaun

of the leprechaun movie series. Well and that gets into this

part. But the leprechauns can be bitterly malicious if they are

offended, and one should be very cautious in dealing with them and always treat

them with great civility or they will take revenge and never

reveal the secret of the hidden gold. And so, there's a lot of

legends that are based around people who catch a leprechaun,

but they're unkind to the leprechaun. So they're Mike,

hey, give me your freaking gold, you know, and they shake them and they these

stories are horrible. They beat up the leprechaun and stuff like Mike. And then

inevitably, their family does not get the gold

and usually they suffer some horrible consequence. Now we know. If you find a

leprechaun, suck on their breast. Right. That's the way to do

it. Come against them, Lucky Charms.

Woah. Wow. You know, I didn't know about

this little leprechaun traps. Ah. Oh, that sounds

fun. That some families set out the night before Saint Patrick's Day.

Mike, kids, have cookies for Santa Claus. Yeah. That's cool.

That's cute. So they make these little crafts called leprechaun

traps. And, you know, and and little kids

and because hopefully they can get their 3 wishes or whatever.

But it's funny. Leprechauns, 3 wishes, gold. I mean,

the fairies the fairies are good and evil. They can, you know, they can work

for you. They can work against you. It's the djinn. It's, you know,

it's all the same from culture to culture. Mike, humans have this

idea of these spirits. And no matter what you call them,

if they're saints or they're fairies or they're anything,

you call on them for help when you need it, and you curse

them when you have bad luck. Right. Right.

Exactly. Yeah. And you try to trap them to

get your you know, I need some gold.

Oh, man. So, Scott, you had something you wanted to talk about. Right? Oh, yeah.

I mean, there was, I'm just it's it's hard to know where to jump in

because there's just so many different things. Seriously. Like, the the the

beings to the cryptids, Mike, the Kelpie and and, I know the puca was something

that came up a lot when I was doing my research a long while ago.

But I see you got horned witches on possible things. I don't know anything

about that. Right. So, yeah. We're wait. What's the puka?

Isn't that something from, like, Mario Kart or what the puka shell. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. I know. The puka is, it's a

form of a fairy that it's like a shape shifter.

Okay. And they they they actually okay. This is the kind of cool

thing. Mhmm. In a lot of the stories, they come in and they'll, like, do

your chores for you. Like, they come in in the middle of the night and

they'll do your chores for you. And Come on in, Puga. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's but they can also bring bad fortune. So it just really depends on

the situation. Just like the leprechauns. The Yeah. It's, you know, the good and evil

balance. Right. Exactly. But, what so when I was doing

my, my letter I for Irish legends last year, I wanted to

try to cover a little bit of everything. So, you you know, go go on

some of the folklore, some of the cryptology, cryptozoology, I should say.

We'll maybe touch on a little bit of UFO stuff because Ireland right now is

a hotspot for UFOs, which is awesome. But I want to get, like, a more

traditional, more current ghost story and the the place that just take

took the cake for me was the Hellfire Club, which was an

organization that ran in, across Europe,

especially England, but then and a little bit later into Ireland as

well. In the we're talking the 1600 in England and then by

the 1700, it hit Ireland. And it was really, like, a

secret society type of thing. It's where when I was

first reading about it, I was thinking about Bohemian Grove up what is it, in

Oregon or Washington or where all of the really wealthy elite would go to

do their whatever the hell dancing around a campfire naked and so on and so

forth. And the idea was that this is a place for

the the upper echelon to of society to do some,

debaucherous stuff. And the name sure does fit with that. I no

joke. Yeah. It's the Hellfire Club. It was it's a it'd been it comes

about during the enlightenment. Right? Like, so the 18th century, and so that's when

these guys are specifically trying to thumb Christianity in

the eye Yeah. It feels like. And I think, you know, anytime you're doing that

and, again, they're leaning into it, like you said, with a name, then all

these urban legends are gonna come out around it too. And and then it becomes

impossible to separate because we think that they are doing some sort of

they're definitely partying. They're living the Alastair Crowley. If it feels good, do it

lifestyle. Yeah. But but they're also doing some ritualistic type of

stuff. So they're definitely doing that, but then there's

stories about people being murdered up there, like human sacrifice Oh.

Cannibalism Oh, no. Up at this place. Oh, and by the way, let's go talk

about the specific location, which is on Mount Pillier Hill in,

just outside of Dublin and, great place. It's a actually, the

location is beautiful. It's on the top of the hill, overlooks the city, and, of

course, what did they do? They they set up shop right on top of a

mass burial site. How you doing that when that happens? What do you do?

Yeah. Using some of these, old stones from the the

neolithic era. So, like, essentially, old, old gravestones as the

building material itself. And wouldn't you know it? It doesn't go well right off the

bat. As soon as construction is finished, a huge

storm whips up and rips the roof off the place and right away, the

townspeople are saying, well, that's that's the devil coming out and saying you

you done you done messed up. So they replaced that roof

with a stone roof and this it's really amazing. This building that we're

talking about which is on Mount Pillier Hill, it's today it's known as

the Hellfire Club, but, of course, that was a general term back in the day.

It was built in the 1700, mid 1700, and this building still

stands with its roof on to this day. Wow. And it's in a it's in

a public park now, so anybody can go Can you rent it out, like, for

a wedding or something? I wanna go have, like, a sex and drinking club in

Dublin. I was thinking more Mike a see you on the other side,

live hangout, but, you know Same thing. Yeah. Well, that yeah. Right. I was gonna

say that's kind of the idea. Just join our

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benefits. There we go. But, so, yeah, we

we jumped to today, and, the place there there is all

sorts of paranormal activity associated with the location, including people feeling

like they get attachments when they go there, and they've brought brought some,

oppressive spirit back with them that will kind of

suck their energy out and will scratch them to the point of

leaving welts and marks and scratches on their body. Scary. But the place is

apparently patrolled by a large

black cat and in place of ears has horns.

And one more recent legend is that a priest went up there to try

to bless the land because obviously all this bad stuff had happened up there historically.

So he and he Wendy up coming across this beast And so

he's he's already armed with holy water, so he

splashes holy water on this thing, and the the creature starts to rip

itself apart before vanishing. Woah.

Some pretty wicked stuff. Wow. That's pretty sweet. It's really

interesting. It's amazing. And, yeah. It is definitely a place that's on my bucket

list. I definitely wanna check it out, and it's really neat. We could we could

do that virtually as we're quarantined right now because, Google

Street View actually did a walk around the building itself. So

you could see it really up close and personal if you, use Google Maps even.

Well, I mean, and it's it is the perfect location for a party, really, because

then everybody gets to take home a party favor, which is an attachment. There you

go. Yes.

Well, that's the that's the name of the first episode of the 4th season

of Stranger Things 2 Really? From the Hellfire Club. Yes. I did see

that. That's exciting to me. Yeah. That's cool. I didn't know that. We'll see

what if they're currently Stranger Things is currently on hiatus Yeah.

Because of the, anyway, because they're worried that, like, Elle's

gonna get, if Elle gets the coronavirus and dies, the whole show's over.

Oh. When after last season, everybody's like, will someone

please give Hopper the coronavirus? No.

After they ruined his character, but that's a different discussion.

So also but the Hellfire Club's also in a a bunch of comic books,

isn't it? Yeah. Like, it's in Sandman. Neil Gaiman talks about it.

Oh, wow. But, yeah, I mean, if you go to the just

even the the reference portion of the Wikipedia page, there's a long list

of references where, the Hellfire Club is mentioned. And there was a

band called the Electric Hellfire Club That's right. Which is Mike an

industrial band. And they were, like, bands like My Life with the 3

Rocco Cult, and they're actually from Kenosha. Uh-huh. And we knew the

singer of the Electrical Hellfire Club Kenosha. Thomas

Thorne, because he used to work at a porn shop in Madison. We

we knew him. That that's how we knew him. No. You I thought you knew

Thomas. Okay. Anyway I might have run into him once at the inferno or something.

I've been to a couple of shows with him. Wasn't like his buddy. I went

I went to go see a band called the Jenna Torturers. I

just With him. I just had to call out because you're you're Mike, we knew

him because he worked at a porn show. Exactly. Because yeah.

Mike, well, that's I mean, that's if a

lot of people in Madison saw him, I only knew him through the, the musical

thing. Right. Right. But they ended up touring with bands Mike Typoe Negative and

stuff like that. So they did pretty well, and they you know? But,

anyway, they really leaned into the whole Satan thing. But,

their music was, you know, just industrial metal, like

pop kind of stuff. It was a lot of fun. And, but they took that

idea of the Hellfire Club as a place where you do

anti Christian things, which is that that's the whole

and Mike Aleister Crowley, the whole idea of

we are going to not worry about the next world and indulge ourselves in

the pleasures of this one is the main difference between

that kind of magic

and believing in, you know, worrying about your immortal soul or

saying, like, hey, screw my soul. Like, I wanna feel good right

now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna suck in that captain's breasts.

Maybe that's the name of this episode.

Well, I mean With that kind of thing. I think what we're realizing is there's

just so much. There's so it's, like, almost an endless endless pool,

but I do recommend that book by the Lady Wilde. If you

have any interest in these Irish myths, legends, superstitions,

there's some crazy superstitions we didn't get into, but, I mean, I'm just really quickly.

I have to tell you that if you take a dead person's hand,

and use it to churn butter, it will

be more successful. If the milk is

stirred round 9 times with a dead hand, the operator crying

aloud all the time, gather gather gather.

It's a it's a spell. So there's, like,

yeah. You can use that too. I'd love to see the notes on the product

testing. Mike, I'm just gonna say, at what point did they get there? Just

not eat that butter. Like, I'd just be Mike, you know what? I'm gonna have

this bread planned. Unsanitary. And there's all kinds of things about taking,

like, a recently deceased person's skin and using that to cast a

spell and putting it on, like, the person that you want to fall in love

with you while they're sleeping and things like that. It's just yeah. It's I

would do that. I mean, I guess desperation. You know?

Like, there's no Also, that person's not gonna miss it. Right? There

you go. Like, what are they gonna do with that scam? Still, you gotta go

get it. Like, that can't be a pretty scene. That's

Anyway Right. That's gonna be there's tons and tons of these things. It's it's really

interesting to read. It's kinda creepy. It's there's everything from the creepy to

the fantastic and happy Saint Patrick's Day.

You have a love story if any of you have a beautiful love story

that started with you cutting off a dead person's skin and placing

it on your lover. Yeah. Please

contact us for a full interview because I wanna talk to you for a couple

of weeks. Planning for the Valentine's Day episode. Alright. Yeah. Yeah.

Alright. Wendy. If we make it to 2021.

Right? I think Okay. What do people say that,

I saw some meme yesterday. It was Mike, what I expected about the what I

expected about the end of the world was a lot more zombies and anarchy

and much less, like, lack of toilet paper and

Netflix.

Yeah. That's that's good news. So wherever you guys are,

Saint Patrick's Day. Have a very happy Saint Patrick's Day. Yeah.

Today, you are Irish. We're all Irish today. And so wear

green so you don't get pinched by rude people. Right.

Mike sure you wear green so you don't get pinched by whoever lives in your

house. Whoever you're not social distancing from, shame on you. Right.

So, to you guys, under a very difficult,

Saint Patrick's Day, here's a slantcha to you.

Alright. Well, we wanna thank our special guest today, Scott

Marcus. It's always so much fun talking with you guys. Yes. It was great having

you here. And where can people find you if they wanna find some more of

your the history and legends and, ghost lore

that you have researched? Yeah. Sure. What's your ghost story dot com is the

place, and, it's also pretty much the handle across all social media.

To you. And to you.

Given the topic of today's episode and that we're releasing it on Saint Patrick's

Day, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to delve a little into some

traditional Irish music. So we came up with a few jigs

inspired by this discussion. Here's an original sunspot set of tunes and

they're called Druid's duel, Lady Wild's fetch, and the

fairy wrath.

Thank you for listening to today's episode. You can find us

online at othersidepodcast.com. Until next

Mike. See you on the other side. And a

big toast to our Patreon community, the coolest

people on Saint Patrick's Day. The Emerald Army of the

Day. That's right. Slanta. That's right. I hope the

leprechauns find gold for you. And you know

what? This whole, like, sequestering stuff is perfect for,

Mike. What's that? It's perfect for holding an online hangout with people that

are your friends from all over the place. That sounds good. The kinda hangout

that we have at See You on the Other Side in sunspot camp. That's

right. And we're gonna be having one very soon. So please, Patreon

members, keep an eye out on the Facebook group and on the

Patreon, emails. We'll let you know when that is. But we should

all have plenty of time on our hands now. Right? I was gonna say, you're

not going to bars, restaurants, or live music shows. So probably, you

have plenty of time to hang out with us somewhere between March

23rd March 27th. We would love to hang out with you. Yeah.

And if you're not already a member of our community, you can become

one very easily. Oh, man. All you gotta do is go to

othersidepodcast.com/donate. Or if donate

feels Mike too much of a weird thing, just go to patreon.com/sunspotmusic.

There you go. Right. Because you'll get all the CU on the other side and

sunspot bonus content that way. And we wanna thank

an extra special huge Irish thank you to

our Patreon member, Ned. Doctor Right. Ned.

Doctor Ned. Anyway, Ned, we love you, brother. And all of the

support that you have and all of our Patreons have provided us

keeps us going every single week. Thank you so much. If you guys wanna be

as cool as doctor Ned, then make sure to check out,

patreon.com/sunspotmusic so that you can

join the army and fight the good fight with

us every single week as we put on new paranormal stuff, music, and

videos for your viewing, listening, and digesting pleasure.

Have a great and safe and healthy week.

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