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Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the
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people and rescues making a
difference in the lives of animals.
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Last week's episode featured Ashley
Gardinier with Southern Paws Inc.
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And we talked a lot about the animal
welfare crisis, so if you didn't
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listen to last week's episode.
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Make sure you go back and check it out.
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But today we're back to talk about
the other things that Ashley does,
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and one of 'em is dog training.
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Ashley Let's get into how dog training
can help to keep dogs in homes, First off,
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where did you learn to do dog training?
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Ashley: Oh so honestly I learned
to dog train when I got Goose.
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, I have a dog named Goose
like Goose and Maverick.
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And he is my soulmate.
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I love this dog.
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He is my soul dog.
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He is my best friend.
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And many years ago, like going back,
15 some odd years ago before our animal
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rescue was even a thought in my mind.
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I had a dog who I had gotten and
some rescue, just gave me a puppy
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and they didn't educate me at all.
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They didn't tell me I was
supposed to socialize her.
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They didn't still tell me I was supposed
to train her or do anything with her.
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They just said here's a puppy.
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So I got her and I didn't know
I was supposed to do all these
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things because nobody told me.
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And when she was seven years old,
she jumped up and she bit a little
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girl in the face and she ripped
off half of this child's face and.
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After it happened which was devastating.,
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I was young, I was like in my very early
twenties, and I had to , sit down and
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make this decision on what do I do?
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Because she had already
bitten a couple people.
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This was obviously the worst bite
and really, at that point had calmed
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down to it's gonna happen again.
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And I had tried everything.
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I had dog whisperers, I had tried
training, I had tried ecollar work.
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So through Kylie I went through the gamut
with dog training from the beginning.
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And after this bite
happened, it was really bad.
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There's still a woman that
walks around with scars on
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her face today because of me.
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Okay.
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Not because of my dog, not because she
was like hardwired, because of me, right?
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Just because I didn't know any better and.
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When I ended up euthanizing her.
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It was still to this day, like one
of the hardest things I've ever done.
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It's probably one of the worst moments
of my whole life, honestly, looking back.
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And when I decided, like right around
the time I actually got exposed to animal
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rescue , goose was actually on that
first transport back from Louisiana.
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So I had seen this little chocolate
lab puppy it's chocolate lab Catula.
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And I just thought they were so cool.
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Johnna had them in her barn and
his brother was just gorgeous.
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And I was like, oh, so
Goose, I ended up fostering.
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I was really concerned if Maverick
got adopted before Goose did.
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'cause Goose was like this
really sensitive sweet dog.
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And ironically Christmas Eve, maverick
gets adopted now, I end up with Goose and
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everybody was like, you're not gonna keep
this dog, you're not gonna keep this dog.
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I go into Petco and somebody
goes oh my God, I love him.
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I want him.
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And I was like no, nope.
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Sorry.
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Nope.
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He is mine.
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And she was like, oh, I
thought you were fostering.
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I was like, no, he's mine.
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And I like took him out.
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The next day I walked into the
local training center and I said to
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them, this is what I went through.
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How do I, what do I have to do to
make sure this never happens again?
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Because I can't go through
this again with this dog.
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And if we're gonna do it, we're
gonna do it right this time.
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And , the local training center by
me Stacy, who's actually one of my
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mentors I trained with her for 10 years.
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I brought all of our
behavioral dogs there.
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I brought Goose there.
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Not only that, but I got Goose
and Lexi, my other dog, both of
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them are certified therapy dogs.
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I didn't just go through the like
bright and beautiful program like.
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I went through a two year
extensive training with them.
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So that literally if my dog was on the
other, like a mile away from me and I
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saw him like move a certain way, I was
like, I knew exactly what he was thinking.
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I knew exactly where his head was at.
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It was just this bizarre
connection, right?
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And I really learned how to read dogs
and I actually have a master's degree in,
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in human psychology in forensic psych.
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That's a whole nother story in itself.
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But it was interesting the more training
I did, the more I was able to understand
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dog psychology in a very humanized way.
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So.
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I say all the time, one of my best
talents, I'm not necessarily good at
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demonstrating what to do with your dog,
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i'm great at it 'cause
Goose is great at it.
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That's the only reason.
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But it's funny because I say all the time
my, like the best part of me training
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and the thing I'm really good at is
taking a situation and putting it in
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human terms so that you can understand
what your dog's doing, why they're doing
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it, why it's not okay and how to fix it.
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And letting you have that like
light bulb moment of oh my
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God, I didn't think about that.
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So I always had this psychology.
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And then with the rescue
crisis, I said like, all right,
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listen, adoptions are dead.
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We just had this opportunity
like fall in our lap.
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I'm tired of being a part of,
just like getting dogs out.
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I wanna start working on solutions
that are gonna keep dogs out of the
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shelter and out of the, the thing.
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So if we can provide a program
that's maybe a little bit lower
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cost than like our local programs,
and then the money, it's a win-win.
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The money is a donation, the
money goes back into the rescue.
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So we're able to actually use the
training center to help provide
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financing for the rescue that we're,
that we lost in our adoption fees.
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And on top of that, the real win
is we get to work with people to
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keep their dogs in their home.
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So once the upstairs kind of came
available, I said, oh, I guess
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I better go get a certification
listen, you don't have to have a
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certification to be a dog trainer.
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I personally think everybody should just
so that you learn the fundamental basics.
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But I had also worked with every single
behavioral problem in our rescue.
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I had worked with dogs, during disaster
relief in flooded houses that I now
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needed to carry, that didn't know me
and were terrified, I had to work with
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feral dogs to be able to get them to
trust me enough to come near enough to
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me where we could get them help, there
were all these just different things
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that I had learned along the way.
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And I said, you know what?
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I said, I bet we could
turn this into something.
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So I went back actually to my trainers.
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I have a trainer, Stacy, that
I just adore, and then she's
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just incredible and amazing.
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And then I have another trainer,
Anne, who is also just like
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absolutely phenomenal, amazing.
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None of them sugarcoat things like,
I don't do well with these like fru
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trainers, I like the down and dirty.
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What were you thinking when you did that?
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Like, why would you think that's okay?
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That kind of stuff.
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And, I had built these relationships
with them over years and years between
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my own dogs and dogs in the rescue
and dogs with behavioral problems and,
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asking advice and all these things.
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And now I put it all together.
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I got the certification through
animal Behavioral College.
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It was an online course.
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It took me about a year to
probably get through it.
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And like I said, it was cool 'cause
I got to learn the fundamentals
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of it was really cool to learn
how dogs were like domesticated.
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I knew the commands, like the sit
and the down and the, whatever, but
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I didn't necessarily understand the
psychology behind them which was
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really cool as well as all of the.
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The methodology, right?
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And the psychology behind the methodology.
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That was another element
that I found really helpful.
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I had all these things surfacely,
but didn't really understand
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the education behind 'em.
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And I had to do like an externship which
I did over at and at Good Dog training.
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And yeah, I just had these really
amazing women that I really respect.
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So I just pulled me under their
arms and were like, okay, we're
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gonna, we're gonna teach you.
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And I started teaching.
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I'm still not super confident.
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I really don't do behavioral modification.
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I try those are like your bigger
behaviors, your aggression, your
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reactivity, your severe anxiety disorders.
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The dogs that I actually love to work
with the most are very fearful dogs.
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Those are the ones that I
really love to work with.
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The, fear, almost like
fear reactive a little bit.
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Like I love that I do a lot of
what I call exposure work that
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is not what it's actually called.
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It's called desensitization
and generalization, but like
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to humans, they're like, I
don't know what that means.
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Those are big words.
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So, I dumb it down.
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It's exposing them to just like very mild,
like uncomfortable stimulus ultimately,
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and pairing it with really yummy treats.
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Like we make it rain hot dogs.
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But yeah, so that's how it started
and , I think the hardest part
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is getting people to train.
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But it's been really helpful too to
be able to also offer up myself as
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a resource for my adopters, right?
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Like I tell my adopters all the time,
if you, they all have my personal
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cell phone number, I've had the same
cell phone number since I was like 12.
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The amount of people that have
this cell phone number are just,
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is in incomprehensible, but they
can call me anytime day or night.
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And usually I'm like, okay, listen,
if it's a real in-depth thing,
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like I'm gonna have to send you
somewhere, but they can call me.
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It doesn't matter if you adopted for
me yesterday or 10 years ago, you can
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call me with any behavioral problem.
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I'll give you some pointers.
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I'll give you, I'll tell you
direction on where you should go.
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I had an doctor call me the
other day from eight years ago.
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Their dog is having some neuro issues
and they were like, what do we do?
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And I was like, okay, this is what you do.
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This is where you go, this is the doctor.
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So I, I think that's more important
than anything and it's given me the
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opportunity to be able to provide
more of that from a more educated
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standpoint, if that makes sense.
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Dixie: Yes, it does.
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Would you recommend other dog rescues
to have a person maybe go through the
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same course that you did so they know
that basic psychology of dog behavior?
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Ashley: Yeah.
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The more education you have, the better,
like the more education you have.
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And listen, a lot of this
comes from experience, right?
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Like I had an issue today with one
of one of our teammates where like
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she just didn't know the right
questions to ask because she's just
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not as experienced yet as I am.
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She's still a little bit green.
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And we had an issue with it
because we almost pulled a dog
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that has like severe neurological
issues by accident which was fine.
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Like it would've been fine.
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We're still looking at pulling the dog.
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We just needed way more
information than we had.
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It's like one of those situations where
like the more information and the more
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you can educate yourself, the better.
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And it's not, you don't have to
spend, $3,000 and go get a piece of
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paper, find a local training center.
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I have never met a trainer who I was
like, Hey, I wanna sit down on your class.
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And they were like, no,
like that's never happened.
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Everybody should have a trainer in their
pocket, like a real trainer, right?
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Somebody that's good.
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Somebody that's been doing
this for a long time.
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Somebody that's like really has
a background, in dog training.
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Not like somebody that's oh, I just
got a certification like yesterday.
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It's like me, like I just
got my certification.
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Have I worked on a lot of things?
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Yes.
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Am I really confident?
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Working with like behavioral
modifications, stuff like that.
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Absolutely not.
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So I'll defer those
clients somewhere else.
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Now, I also tell every single one of my
clients that they need to do at least a
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minimum of a year of dog classes anywhere.
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It doesn't have to be with
me, it could be anywhere.
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And if they're not local somebody
just asked me they're like 20
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minutes away from us and they were
like, well, is there anybody here?
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And I was like, yes.
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This is who I recommend.
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Go there.
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So it's not so much, even if you
don't know the psychology or you
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don't wanna learn the psychology,
sorry, or you don't wanna learn.
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Like even if you don't know the
psychology or you're not interested
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in learning the psychology, at the
end of the day, have somebody at
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least in your pocket that does.
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Somebody that's really good that you're
close with or that you can consult with.
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Because if it wasn't for
that half of the issues.
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That we've had would
never have been fixed.
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And then it's just the dog that suffers.
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Like you develop all these behavioral
problems just simply because you
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really didn't know any better.
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Like you dealt with a problem and you
were like, oh, I think I can fix this.
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And like you tried to do what you thought
was best, which was like all the wrong
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things, so even if you don't do it
yourself, like just have somebody there
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that you can use as a sounding board and
say Hey, this is going on with this dog.
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What do you suggest I do?
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Dixie: Let's get onto some
of those behavioral issues.
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You said that a lot of people were
complaining about behavioral issues in
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these COVID puppies or pandemic puppies.
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What are some of those specific
behavioral issues that you're seeing?
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And then how do you address those issues?
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Ashley: I had so many things.
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So this is one of my favorite
examples to use dog on dog reactivity.
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. And dog reactivity can come from all
kinds of different things, right?
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And what that mean, what dog reactivity
is like your walking down on the
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street and your dog sees a dog and
they just lose their ever loving mind.
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Okay?
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This is something we see a lot, right?
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And a lot of it is because during
COVID, dogs didn't see other dogs.
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Dogs are a lot like humans.
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They're a lot like child,
like children when it comes to
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psychological and social development.
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So during COVID, we were not allowed
to leave our houses, correct?
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Correct.
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So we were home all the time, which
means our dogs were home all the time.
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They didn't meet people, they
didn't go out in the world, they
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didn't interact with other dogs.
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They lived at home.
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We lived at home.
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And then when the world opened
back up again, now we are
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trying to take our dogs places.
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We're trying to do things with them,
we're trying to get 'em off the property,
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and the dogs are either terrified or
like they don't know how to act, right?
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So a great example of
this is dog reactiveness.
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So, I did dog walking for a year
and there was this dog Yeti,
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and I use her all the time.
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She's my claim to fame this dog.
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Because she was so reactive and
it was anything she saw, like
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it didn't have to be a dog.
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If she saw a squirrel, she was a lunatic.
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If she saw a deer, oh, forget it.
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Like she would throw herself on the floor.
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She would scream like a lunatic.
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She was this like 40 pound
white like Aussie husky mix.
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And she had taken her mom
down like multiple times.
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She actually really hurt Elise's elbow.
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At one point and she, when I
started walking her, I was like,
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oh no we're not doing this.
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I was like, we are absolutely
not gonna be doing this.
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We're not pulling.
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So within two weeks I said to, she had
taken me down like once, and I said
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to Elise, I was like, absolutely not.
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We're not doing this.
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I'm getting a gentle leader for your dog.
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And Elise was very against it.
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She didn't wanna do it.
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And I said, listen,
let me at least try it.
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If you really feel like it's awful, like
we've used this, I've used this before
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on dogs, that I've trained, especially
dogs in the rescue that are like large
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breed and really gonna take you out.
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'cause they just are big puppies.
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There's a great it's mildly invasive.
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Like it's not a big deal.
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And what I did was I was a
Pez dispenser for treats.
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And I would do a lot of, in the
beginning, turning around and walking
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in the other direction, right?
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So we'd see something at a distance.
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We really, as a society, I'm
sure you know this, we need
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to get out of our cell phones.
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We need to start paying attention to
our surroundings and things like that.
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A big mistake that I see made a lot
is we're in our phones, or, so we're
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not necessarily looking at what's
happening around us that's going
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to potentially trigger our animals.
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So in Yeti's case, it's a lot of looking
around, looking for deer, looking
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for dogs, looking for people that are
walking, looking for, whatever it is.
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So that I could use that
as a learning moment.
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And I'm not gonna put her in a situation
that I know she's gonna fail in, which is
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like walking towards a dog or, walking in
their space and getting closer to them.
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I'm gonna literally watch
her, she's gonna get alert.
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She's gonna, get stiff and she's gonna
stare and before it gets close or I
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get close, I'm gonna turn around, I'm
gonna shove a cookie in her mouth and
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I'm gonna walk in the other direction.
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And we would take a
different path that day.
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And we would just do
that over and over again.
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And eventually over time we were
able to get closer and closer.
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This is actually what I call,
this is the exposure work
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that I was mentioning before.
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Eventually you get closer and closer and
you're desensitizing the dog to being in
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the presence of whatever that stimulus is.
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You're counter conditioning her.
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So that to the point where she would see
somebody else and she would literally look
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at me like, where's my cookie lady like?
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And it got to the point after,
and it took me eight months.
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Eight months, and on in the eighth month.
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There was a lady that walked by with a
dachshund that was losing its ever loving
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mind, and she sat right next to me.
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The dog walked probably
between six feet away from her.
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She looked right at me and was
like, lady, where's my cookie?
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And I'll never forget, the lady said
to me, how'd you get her to do that?
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And I was like, oh, it's been
eight months, but it works.
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And she was like, I was like, she's
could you teach mine to do that?
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And I was like, ironically, yes I could.
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I'll tell you what, the
lady never called me.
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So it's things like
that, that are so simple.
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And the reason that these resources
and being a resource and being,
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having the training certification
and understanding the psychology
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there's a basis to these behaviors.
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And this is actually in the
conversation I have with every
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single one of my adopters, okay?
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Because I tell all of them,
like I mentioned before,
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everybody's gotta go to training.
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So.
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It's not, I'm not telling you, you need
to train because I think you're stupid and
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you can't teach your dogs to sit and stay.
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I'm teaching you to train
because you're not a dog expert.
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You don't know dog psychology.
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I still don't like, there's still, I call
myself number one dog mom, and I say all
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the time, there are literally like times
where I don't know things like, and my
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trainer's like, why are you doing that?
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I'm like I don't know.
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I take my own dogs to other people's
classes because every time I
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go I still learn something new.
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I co-teach with Stacey in the morning
on Saturdays, just so I can learn
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from her, and Stacey will test me.
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She'll let me, stick my foot
in my mouth and then say, okay,
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you're wrong and this is why.
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And I'm okay with that
because I'm learning.
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So what happens with dogs, like
leading up to that behavior, right?
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That behavior was built.
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It was, the dog wasn't born like that.
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The dog, that behavior was built.
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She was got during COVID, I.
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She wasn't around other dogs.
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She wasn't around a lot of people, okay?
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And so when she was seeing these other
dogs, people, animals, whatever, she
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was getting so amped and nobody ever
taught her how to handle herself.
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Okay?
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Imagine you have a child, right?
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And that child has never been around
people and you stick it in, middle
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school with 400 kids in his class.
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How do you expect that child to acclimate?
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They're either going to be running
amuck and psychotic, or they're gonna be
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terrified and hiding under their desk.
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They're not gonna know the social skills.
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They're not gonna know how the
interactions, they're not gonna know the
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appropriate way to interact with humans.
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So why would we think that our
dogs would, and that's where the
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reactivity come from, comes from.
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So those are the kind of
behaviors that we see a lot of.
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We're seeing that we're seeing
I'm seeing, we're seeing a lot
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of we call it stranger danger.
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Okay?
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And it stems from
literally the same thing.
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They're not used to people
coming into their space.
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And I'm not gonna lie,
people are stupid, okay?
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We do stupid things when we, when it comes
to dogs, because everything, every five of
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our being is oh my god, dog, I love you.
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And that's not a dog's
love language, right?
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The love language of dogs is
smell my butt, like body language.
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This don't come at my face.
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And we've just done all the things wrong.
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They're not used to that.
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They don't know how to react.
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So maybe they're getting afraid
and they're going to fear
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react, which is they're going to
overcompensate and they're gonna
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bark at you and tell you to back off.
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'cause that's their language, right?
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Things like that.
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It's a lot of things.
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We also never, none of these people
trained during COVID because none
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of the training centers were open.
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So you also have all of these
unruly dogs that are now just like
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large dogs that don't have matters.
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They don't have structure, they weren't
told, they were never given any rules.
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And just like children, it's
the same concept, right?
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You ultimately have what I had with my
first dog, there was no rules, there was
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no consequences, there was no structure.
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If you do that with a child, you're
going to have a monster who's
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climbing your curtains, right?
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And getting into trouble.
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So why would we expect our dogs to, in
the same scenario, to be well-behaved
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and not have behavioral problems
or not be emotionally balanced?
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So that's really what we're seeing.
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And the bigger issue we're
running into is a, we as a
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rescue, we are really overwhelmed.
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So we, we don't have anywhere to put
a dog that's got behavioral issues.
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And on top of that, we
don't have the finances.
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Like I used to be like, oh,
your dog's a little afraid.
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No problem.
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I can work with that.
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We have a great foster and we would
throw them in training three days a week.
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I can't afford, a thousand dollars a week
for a dog that's got behavioral problems
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because you didn't do right by your dog.
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You didn't train your dog appropriately.
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And now your dog has behavioral problems
and now I'm supposed to try and fix
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it and spend all this money to do
it because you either don't have the
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money or don't care or don't want to.
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Dixie: What do you do in the situation
if somebody does call you and they tell
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you, I've got this dog to surrender
'cause this dog has behavioral problems?
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Well, I'm sure of course you're
gonna recommend training.
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But how do the people react to that?
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Being that, you said this dog that
you had the one that took eight
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months to train, it's eight months.
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So are people open to even wanting to wait
the eight months to see if their dog Nope.
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Will start reacting differently?
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Ashley: Nope.
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Nope.
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Not at all.
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I will tell you, I would
say 95% of them do.
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But I educate them
about the rescue crisis.
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And I tell them, listen, your best
bet is this, working with your
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dog, training your dog, socializing
your dog, getting a trainer.
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I would get a trainer in there
immediately working on it with
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them, trying to get them fixed.
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I will, if they're local.
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There's some people who have been
like, I can't afford it, and I've
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been like, bring me your dog.
463
00:22:58,426 --> 00:22:59,476
We'll work together.
464
00:22:59,626 --> 00:23:02,626
Like I have a little bit
of time on Tuesday nights.
465
00:23:03,016 --> 00:23:03,766
I got you.
466
00:23:04,016 --> 00:23:06,836
Let's see if we can at
least fix this portion.
467
00:23:07,056 --> 00:23:11,656
And sometimes I get lucky, and
sometimes they're like, yes, I got this.
468
00:23:11,706 --> 00:23:15,726
But you know that 95% of the
time they just call another
469
00:23:15,726 --> 00:23:21,676
rescue, and if it's really bad,
what am I supposed to tell them?
470
00:23:22,276 --> 00:23:25,386
And that's why I don't call
people back anymore because
471
00:23:25,386 --> 00:23:26,946
what am I supposed to tell them?
472
00:23:27,726 --> 00:23:28,716
I'm the rescuer.
473
00:23:28,806 --> 00:23:30,606
I'm supposed to be the
one that's there to help.
474
00:23:30,636 --> 00:23:32,556
I'm supposed to be the one
that has all the answers.
475
00:23:32,736 --> 00:23:36,806
And it goes back to what you were saying
before is we are supposed to be here for
476
00:23:36,806 --> 00:23:44,246
dire circumstances, and we're not like
people treat us like crap because we can't
477
00:23:44,246 --> 00:23:49,436
help you because you have a responsibility
to this animal that you committed to.
478
00:23:50,111 --> 00:23:55,511
That has done nothing be loyal to you or
be the way you trained them or raised them
479
00:23:55,511 --> 00:24:00,881
to be, and now you just are dumping them
because you don't feel like putting the
480
00:24:00,881 --> 00:24:02,321
time, the energy, or the money into 'em.
481
00:24:03,141 --> 00:24:04,761
That's really the heart of it.
482
00:24:05,481 --> 00:24:09,021
And people could argue with me all day
about it, but really at the end of the
483
00:24:09,021 --> 00:24:16,021
day, if you I am a big believer in you
want, you will, you won't, you don't, if
484
00:24:16,021 --> 00:24:17,911
you wanna fix it, you are gonna fix it.
485
00:24:18,211 --> 00:24:20,521
If you don't wanna fix it,
you are not gonna fix it.
486
00:24:23,311 --> 00:24:29,181
So we have to look at that as a population
and say Hey, what am I supposed to say?
487
00:24:30,061 --> 00:24:34,081
Some cases where a dog's had multiple
bites and there's like stitches
488
00:24:34,081 --> 00:24:35,521
involved and things like that.
489
00:24:37,591 --> 00:24:41,101
I don't recommend they go to
a shelter because I also don't
490
00:24:41,101 --> 00:24:42,331
think it's fair to the dog.
491
00:24:43,376 --> 00:24:43,666
Dixie: Yeah.
492
00:24:43,666 --> 00:24:47,641
And I was gonna say too, like when you
say you're not calling them back, you
493
00:24:47,641 --> 00:24:51,361
don't have the room, you don't have the
resources to take care of 'em, and I
494
00:24:51,361 --> 00:24:55,171
understand that, but let's suppose the
next rescue that they call takes 'em.
495
00:24:55,171 --> 00:24:56,551
What does that rescue, do?
496
00:24:57,851 --> 00:24:59,591
What does that rescue left working with?
497
00:25:01,001 --> 00:25:01,421
Ashley: Yeah.
498
00:25:01,791 --> 00:25:02,541
I don't know.
499
00:25:02,631 --> 00:25:03,321
And you know what?
500
00:25:03,321 --> 00:25:06,231
There are times like we
actually got wrecked.
501
00:25:06,621 --> 00:25:09,411
Like we got blown up on social media.
502
00:25:09,891 --> 00:25:12,981
Like all hell broke loose because.
503
00:25:13,701 --> 00:25:16,251
There was a dog that
was brought one of ours.
504
00:25:16,251 --> 00:25:18,951
And I work very hard to
get all of our dogs back.
505
00:25:18,981 --> 00:25:21,321
Like right now I have two dogs
that I'm trying desperately
506
00:25:21,321 --> 00:25:22,371
to get back into rescue.
507
00:25:22,471 --> 00:25:23,611
They're 10 years old.
508
00:25:23,611 --> 00:25:25,291
The guy has got medical issues.
509
00:25:25,291 --> 00:25:28,441
Luckily the dog walker has been really
helpful and she's been working with me
510
00:25:28,741 --> 00:25:32,491
because I don't have anyone who put these
dogs, one of which has behavioral issues.
511
00:25:32,821 --> 00:25:36,151
The other one's great, but like they're
two bonded, 10-year-old pit bulls.
512
00:25:36,231 --> 00:25:38,361
So we've been trying, but like we can't.
513
00:25:38,361 --> 00:25:42,671
So I've told them like, reach out
to other rescues and if you can find
514
00:25:42,671 --> 00:25:45,781
a rescue that's got the resources
right now, let them go there if you
515
00:25:45,781 --> 00:25:48,931
asked me that three years ago, I
would've been like, absolutely not.
516
00:25:48,931 --> 00:25:50,581
Nobody is allowed to touch my dogs.
517
00:25:50,761 --> 00:25:51,481
Those are mine.
518
00:25:51,691 --> 00:25:54,211
Like they come back to
me, no questions asked.
519
00:25:54,451 --> 00:25:55,771
That is my responsibility.
520
00:25:55,771 --> 00:25:56,641
That is my dog.
521
00:25:57,541 --> 00:26:00,481
The problem we're running into
now is we don't have the resources
522
00:26:00,481 --> 00:26:01,681
anymore that we used to have.
523
00:26:02,136 --> 00:26:06,246
One of the things I do is now I educate
people about that when they adopt with me.
524
00:26:06,396 --> 00:26:10,056
Everybody gets a spiel about this,
about the animal welfare crisis
525
00:26:10,056 --> 00:26:11,916
and how nobody has resources.
526
00:26:12,186 --> 00:26:15,126
And I pretty much tell them
like, nobody's got help.
527
00:26:15,156 --> 00:26:16,176
Nobody can help you now.
528
00:26:16,366 --> 00:26:18,586
This is gonna be on you, so
really think this through before
529
00:26:18,586 --> 00:26:19,876
you leave here with this dog.
530
00:26:20,386 --> 00:26:24,406
But like we got wrecked years ago
because I had a dog that came in.
531
00:26:24,406 --> 00:26:25,846
It was at a local shelter.
532
00:26:26,146 --> 00:26:29,446
The dog had pretty rough
behavioral problems.
533
00:26:29,666 --> 00:26:31,196
The dog had attacked a child.
534
00:26:31,646 --> 00:26:34,226
There was like quite a bunch
of things that I had heard.
535
00:26:34,226 --> 00:26:35,546
So the dog ended up there.
536
00:26:35,606 --> 00:26:39,396
They had contacted us to take the dog
back and I said, I'm really nervous
537
00:26:39,396 --> 00:26:42,576
about taking this dog in because the
dog had gone after a child twice.
538
00:26:43,086 --> 00:26:44,316
And I said, okay.
539
00:26:44,316 --> 00:26:46,776
They were like, well, just put it in a
home where it doesn't, but I didn't have,
540
00:26:46,776 --> 00:26:48,216
at the time, it didn't have a placement.
541
00:26:48,876 --> 00:26:51,546
So they dumped the dog at the
local shelter and the shelter
542
00:26:51,546 --> 00:26:52,926
calls me and they're like, Hey.
543
00:26:53,466 --> 00:26:55,086
Will you take this dog back?
544
00:26:55,476 --> 00:26:58,956
And I was like, listen, would
you guys, I don't have anywhere
545
00:26:58,956 --> 00:27:00,096
to put this dog right now.
546
00:27:00,156 --> 00:27:03,516
Would you guys be willing, I know
that you guys do behavioral analysis,
547
00:27:03,576 --> 00:27:05,286
like evaluations on your dogs.
548
00:27:05,766 --> 00:27:09,606
Would you guys be willing to do
a behavioral eval on this dog
549
00:27:10,386 --> 00:27:11,976
and let me know what you find?
550
00:27:12,546 --> 00:27:13,506
And they said, okay.
551
00:27:13,836 --> 00:27:17,346
So they did the behavioral
evaluation, which did not go well.
552
00:27:17,976 --> 00:27:18,336
Okay?
553
00:27:18,516 --> 00:27:19,086
Not at all.
554
00:27:19,206 --> 00:27:20,496
Like dog bit.
555
00:27:20,496 --> 00:27:23,286
The hand twice, didn't go well.
556
00:27:23,286 --> 00:27:26,166
Then they did another evaluation two
days later and the dog failed again.
557
00:27:26,586 --> 00:27:26,976
Okay.
558
00:27:27,696 --> 00:27:30,681
So they call me back and they're
like, while I'm on the phone
559
00:27:30,681 --> 00:27:32,001
with them, I'm like, okay.
560
00:27:32,001 --> 00:27:32,691
I'm like, Jesus.
561
00:27:32,691 --> 00:27:34,311
I'm like, where are we gonna put this dog?
562
00:27:34,761 --> 00:27:36,711
And I'm like, all right,
let me make some calls.
563
00:27:36,711 --> 00:27:37,311
Let me see.
564
00:27:37,581 --> 00:27:42,531
And the girl says to me, we do have other
organizations that like to work with this
565
00:27:42,531 --> 00:27:45,201
type of dog that do have the resources.
566
00:27:45,351 --> 00:27:48,231
Would you want me to reach
out and network them?
567
00:27:48,321 --> 00:27:49,401
And I said, yeah, absolutely.
568
00:27:49,401 --> 00:27:53,091
I said, if you have another organization
that has better resources than I do right
569
00:27:53,091 --> 00:27:56,001
now to be able to help this dog please.
570
00:27:56,001 --> 00:27:58,671
Because at the end of the day, it's
not about my ego, it's not about
571
00:27:58,671 --> 00:27:59,961
the money, it's not about whatever.
572
00:27:59,961 --> 00:28:01,371
It's about the dog.
573
00:28:01,521 --> 00:28:04,281
So if we can find somebody
to help the dog, great.
574
00:28:04,491 --> 00:28:05,061
Let's do it.
575
00:28:05,271 --> 00:28:07,761
Like in the meantime, I'm gonna
keep looking for a placement.
576
00:28:07,821 --> 00:28:09,441
You guys let me know if you find anything.
577
00:28:10,911 --> 00:28:11,991
I was looking for a placement.
578
00:28:11,991 --> 00:28:13,011
Looking for a placement.
579
00:28:13,281 --> 00:28:16,401
Never found one Called
back, talked to 'em again.
580
00:28:16,401 --> 00:28:18,741
They said, listen, we have a rescue
that's willing to take the dog.
581
00:28:18,951 --> 00:28:21,381
I said, okay, well listen, if it
doesn't work out, if God forbid this
582
00:28:21,381 --> 00:28:24,021
dog is gonna be euthanized, let me
know and I will come and get it.
583
00:28:24,441 --> 00:28:26,061
I promise you just call
me and let me know.
584
00:28:26,151 --> 00:28:28,821
They were like, okay, dog goes to rescue.
585
00:28:29,751 --> 00:28:38,001
We get blown up all over social media
that like, what a bunch of trash we are
586
00:28:38,001 --> 00:28:42,891
because we dumped our dog at a shelter
to die and we would rather the dog
587
00:28:42,891 --> 00:28:44,841
be euthanized than come and help it.
588
00:28:45,141 --> 00:28:47,141
When I, we were getting like hate mail.
589
00:28:47,141 --> 00:28:51,251
I got phone calls about this and
every time I told them like, we
590
00:28:51,251 --> 00:28:55,541
still have a review on the Southern
Pause page about this situation.
591
00:28:55,961 --> 00:29:01,771
And literally my answer was, in
that moment, we did not have the
592
00:29:01,771 --> 00:29:03,271
resources to care for this dog.
593
00:29:03,601 --> 00:29:06,721
The dog would've been put down
if it was, if it came to us.
594
00:29:07,171 --> 00:29:10,891
So we found there, they found a
rescue where this was supposed to
595
00:29:10,891 --> 00:29:15,001
be a partnership where like they
were providing a, helping us to
596
00:29:15,001 --> 00:29:18,391
provide a solution to a problem and.
597
00:29:18,901 --> 00:29:20,521
The dog ended up going there.
598
00:29:20,791 --> 00:29:23,821
They placed this dog with children, okay?
599
00:29:23,821 --> 00:29:27,841
They sent me pictures of this dog
in a home with young children,
600
00:29:29,191 --> 00:29:30,541
with all kinds of other things.
601
00:29:30,601 --> 00:29:33,061
I never would've put
that dog there, never.
602
00:29:33,211 --> 00:29:35,701
But whatever they did worked okay.
603
00:29:36,301 --> 00:29:42,251
And they sent me, so every couple of
years I get our social media gets blown
604
00:29:42,251 --> 00:29:47,781
up again with pictures of this dog
living its best life with children and
605
00:29:47,811 --> 00:29:49,791
whatever else is in the home with the dog.
606
00:29:50,271 --> 00:29:55,161
And they send it to us to shame us
every time this organization to tell us
607
00:29:55,191 --> 00:29:57,321
all about well we, you know this dog.
608
00:29:57,321 --> 00:29:58,311
Look, it's with children.
609
00:29:58,311 --> 00:30:00,981
And look, we placed it with
this and you left it to die.
610
00:30:01,011 --> 00:30:02,481
And like all these different things.
611
00:30:03,021 --> 00:30:08,751
And every time I say, oh my God, I'm
so happy that this dog is alive, he's
612
00:30:08,751 --> 00:30:11,421
thriving, and we made the right decision.
613
00:30:13,636 --> 00:30:13,856
Sad.
614
00:30:14,096 --> 00:30:17,361
'cause at the end of the day, it's
not about me or them or anybody else,
615
00:30:17,691 --> 00:30:21,741
or it's about the fact that the dog
is alive, the dog is thriving, and
616
00:30:21,741 --> 00:30:23,031
the dog is living its best life.
617
00:30:24,501 --> 00:30:24,681
Dixie: Yeah.
618
00:30:24,681 --> 00:30:28,151
And that's terrible though, that you had
to go through that with the bad reviews
619
00:30:28,151 --> 00:30:29,861
Ashley: Oh, we go through it all the time.
620
00:30:30,281 --> 00:30:30,851
All the time.
621
00:30:30,851 --> 00:30:35,561
Especially now, anytime one of our dogs
comes up and we don't have somewhere for
622
00:30:35,561 --> 00:30:41,861
it to go, we get some rescue or social
media warrior or whatever calling us and
623
00:30:41,861 --> 00:30:45,251
telling us how awful we are because we
can't take our dogs back because right
624
00:30:45,281 --> 00:30:46,721
now we just don't have the resources.
625
00:30:47,561 --> 00:30:51,001
Dixie: It's wild, even if another
rescue steps in, why would you
626
00:30:51,001 --> 00:30:53,311
drag somebody else's name into it?
627
00:30:53,361 --> 00:30:54,831
If the dog is safe.
628
00:30:55,971 --> 00:30:56,451
Ashley: Oh yeah.
629
00:30:56,601 --> 00:30:57,141
Oh yeah.
630
00:30:57,231 --> 00:30:58,341
I know the best.
631
00:30:58,521 --> 00:31:02,721
One of the biggest criticizers that
came out during that whole thing.
632
00:31:02,721 --> 00:31:05,151
She had a whole bunch of stuff to say.
633
00:31:05,461 --> 00:31:06,361
A couple years ago.
634
00:31:06,361 --> 00:31:07,981
It actually turned out she was a hoarder.
635
00:31:08,231 --> 00:31:10,391
And she got busted and
charged with animal cruelty.
636
00:31:11,081 --> 00:31:12,641
And I was like, are you kidding?
637
00:31:13,541 --> 00:31:16,601
I was like, like somebody sent
it to me and I was like, shut up.
638
00:31:17,171 --> 00:31:18,941
I was like, that's unbelievable.
639
00:31:19,698 --> 00:31:23,718
Dixie: Most of the people that are leaving
the comments, they're people that never
640
00:31:23,718 --> 00:31:25,788
would foster in a million years anyway.
641
00:31:26,278 --> 00:31:27,898
It's like an ego boost for them.
642
00:31:27,898 --> 00:31:29,818
It makes them feel good to say something.
643
00:31:30,763 --> 00:31:31,393
Ashley: Oh yeah.
644
00:31:31,423 --> 00:31:32,383
100%.
645
00:31:32,623 --> 00:31:33,463
100%.
646
00:31:33,463 --> 00:31:34,513
Nobody knows.
647
00:31:34,843 --> 00:31:39,753
Like even listen, even sometimes my board
members, they just don't get it, right?
648
00:31:39,753 --> 00:31:43,023
And they're actively in the
trenches with me every day, right?
649
00:31:43,073 --> 00:31:47,943
So to have Joe Schmoe on the internet,,
like I said before, 95% of these
650
00:31:47,943 --> 00:31:52,663
people have no idea what's actually
going on , in animal rescue or with
651
00:31:52,663 --> 00:31:54,673
the animal welfare crisis or anything.
652
00:31:55,393 --> 00:31:58,523
And the only thing we can do is just
educate them, and that's what I try to do
653
00:31:58,853 --> 00:32:03,453
every time somebody is mad at me because
I can't take a dog or, or the best is
654
00:32:03,453 --> 00:32:08,323
they're like, like we got a call the
other day, I still can't believe this.
655
00:32:08,323 --> 00:32:11,983
And I called the local rescue my contact
over there and I was like, Hey, be
656
00:32:11,983 --> 00:32:13,963
advised this call is coming to you next.
657
00:32:14,453 --> 00:32:17,753
I got a call from a guy who breeds.
658
00:32:19,118 --> 00:32:23,078
Bernice Mountain Dogs, backyard
breeds Bernice Mountain Dog.
659
00:32:23,888 --> 00:32:31,388
And his unspayed female is fighting
with his pregnant female, so he needs
660
00:32:31,388 --> 00:32:36,458
to rehome the the not pregnant female.
661
00:32:37,628 --> 00:32:41,108
And I was like, I'm sorry, what?
662
00:32:41,648 --> 00:32:42,998
I was like, is this real?
663
00:32:43,538 --> 00:32:45,848
And I said to him, I said, listen,
we can't help you with that.
664
00:32:45,848 --> 00:32:46,328
I said, but.
665
00:32:46,853 --> 00:32:49,193
I know the shelter nearby, they're great.
666
00:32:49,193 --> 00:32:51,173
Like they, they do a really amazing job.
667
00:32:51,173 --> 00:32:53,003
We actually pull from them all the time.
668
00:32:53,303 --> 00:32:56,093
So I was like, all right, well let's
send it over there and see if it at
669
00:32:56,093 --> 00:32:59,573
least gets behaviorally tested, and
then we can see if maybe we can pull it.
670
00:33:00,113 --> 00:33:02,743
But I called up my contact
over there, Mike, and I was
671
00:33:02,743 --> 00:33:04,543
like, Hey, just be advised.
672
00:33:04,543 --> 00:33:05,413
Wait for this call.
673
00:33:05,413 --> 00:33:06,013
It's coming.
674
00:33:06,103 --> 00:33:07,183
He was like, are you kidding?
675
00:33:07,183 --> 00:33:08,563
And I was like, Nope.
676
00:33:08,653 --> 00:33:11,623
I was like, I told him to call you
'cause I got nowhere to put that.
677
00:33:11,623 --> 00:33:14,293
He was like, unbelievable.
678
00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:15,073
I was like yep.
679
00:33:15,208 --> 00:33:16,198
Because I can't make this up.
680
00:33:17,218 --> 00:33:17,548
Dixie: Yeah.
681
00:33:17,548 --> 00:33:21,418
I would've been like, well, if you spay
and neuter, it curbs those behaviors, so,
682
00:33:22,498 --> 00:33:23,908
Ashley: oh, yeah, I mentioned that.
683
00:33:23,908 --> 00:33:27,058
Or the better one is they're like,
well, we're gonna go buy a dog.
684
00:33:27,188 --> 00:33:30,548
That's one of my favorite things, like
people say to me, especially when we
685
00:33:30,548 --> 00:33:34,393
reject them because I told you I'm
a snob when it comes to my adopters.
686
00:33:34,443 --> 00:33:37,083
I have a very specific type
of adopter that we adopt to,
687
00:33:37,443 --> 00:33:38,973
and I'm a total snob about it.
688
00:33:38,973 --> 00:33:40,653
And I'll get certain
people and they're like.
689
00:33:41,163 --> 00:33:43,383
Well, this is why people go to breeders.
690
00:33:43,533 --> 00:33:45,993
And I'm like, okay, so go to a breeder?
691
00:33:46,443 --> 00:33:48,423
Like I, I actually don't
know what to tell you.
692
00:33:48,423 --> 00:33:50,913
That's fine, but you
cannot have one of my dogs.
693
00:33:51,483 --> 00:33:53,523
I'm sorry, but I'm not,
I'm really not sorry.
694
00:33:53,983 --> 00:33:55,573
Dixie: I understand that too.
695
00:33:55,603 --> 00:34:01,373
'cause I'm the same way and I do a
lot of bottle feeding I do kittens.
696
00:34:01,373 --> 00:34:05,243
When you put that much time and effort
into getting them well because Yeah,
697
00:34:05,273 --> 00:34:07,103
bottle feeding, they're very delicate.
698
00:34:07,103 --> 00:34:10,402
And then sometimes you have to deal
with things like, with illnesses
699
00:34:10,402 --> 00:34:14,693
that'll pop up and you essentially
have to go nurse them back to health.
700
00:34:15,023 --> 00:34:18,683
So I feel like if I'm gonna have
to be up in the middle of the night
701
00:34:18,683 --> 00:34:20,873
every two hours to feed a sick kitten
702
00:34:21,112 --> 00:34:25,043
I want that kitten to go to a home
with somebody who's gonna do the same.
703
00:34:25,777 --> 00:34:26,618
So I'm picky.
704
00:34:26,618 --> 00:34:26,858
Exactly.
705
00:34:26,918 --> 00:34:32,118
I'm picky too because it's like that's all
of my love and dedication and everything
706
00:34:32,118 --> 00:34:33,888
goes into taking care of these animals.
707
00:34:33,888 --> 00:34:36,438
And so I wanna make sure that they're
going into a home that's gonna
708
00:34:36,438 --> 00:34:37,878
provide the exact same for them
709
00:34:39,138 --> 00:34:40,128
Ashley: As you should.
710
00:34:40,438 --> 00:34:44,092
And that's, I love, like I said,
I keep going back to this I love
711
00:34:44,092 --> 00:34:47,233
what you said before about like
animal rescue isn't just for you to
712
00:34:47,233 --> 00:34:49,213
dump all your animals on us, right?
713
00:34:49,263 --> 00:34:50,913
It's here for a last resort.
714
00:34:50,943 --> 00:34:56,103
It's here for an emergency, it's here for
a medical case, it's here for whatever.
715
00:34:56,463 --> 00:34:59,013
And I've been there, right?
716
00:34:59,013 --> 00:35:00,843
Like I, I don't typically do cats.
717
00:35:00,873 --> 00:35:05,043
Occasionally, I told you I like
to fill needs wherever I'm needed.
718
00:35:05,073 --> 00:35:07,773
So occasionally I will do kittens.
719
00:35:07,893 --> 00:35:11,313
It's rare, but it's usually like somebody
found them and they're like, whatever.
720
00:35:11,313 --> 00:35:14,493
So I'll get them in and I'll take
care of them and I'll feed them
721
00:35:14,493 --> 00:35:16,233
and I'll do all the things until.
722
00:35:16,773 --> 00:35:21,003
I'll ultimately foster them through
our rescue and then send them to do
723
00:35:21,003 --> 00:35:24,663
adoptions with a partner rescue that
we work with that's like a cat rescue.
724
00:35:25,113 --> 00:35:29,313
And even in those situations I've had
kittens that came in practically feral
725
00:35:29,823 --> 00:35:36,253
that I spent time and energy befriending,
and I want them to have the best life
726
00:35:36,253 --> 00:35:39,733
ever, like I and every one of these dogs.
727
00:35:39,783 --> 00:35:44,343
And I don't know about you but I know
every time I get a dog back, especially
728
00:35:44,343 --> 00:35:47,073
a dog, that came out of like a situation.
729
00:35:47,103 --> 00:35:50,823
'cause no matter how hard we work, no
matter how diligent we are, no matter
730
00:35:50,823 --> 00:35:55,773
how meticulous we are, there's always
gonna be that like 1% of douche baggery
731
00:35:56,073 --> 00:35:59,073
that somehow manages to evade us.
732
00:35:59,073 --> 00:36:01,833
And the dog still ends
up in a crummy situation.
733
00:36:02,763 --> 00:36:06,093
It's rare, but it I've seen it a
couple times in my career and I don't
734
00:36:06,093 --> 00:36:08,913
know about you, but every time it's
happened, I've looked into the eyes
735
00:36:08,913 --> 00:36:11,283
of that dog and just felt awful.
736
00:36:11,313 --> 00:36:13,503
Like I was like, I made
the wrong decision.
737
00:36:13,503 --> 00:36:14,613
This is because of me.
738
00:36:15,183 --> 00:36:17,133
And I know we're not
supposed to think that way.
739
00:36:17,183 --> 00:36:19,013
And everybody's you can't think that way.
740
00:36:19,373 --> 00:36:23,273
But at the end of the
day, that's how I feel.
741
00:36:23,333 --> 00:36:26,513
Well, every time I have a dog that's
returned, every time I have the dog,
742
00:36:26,513 --> 00:36:29,243
especially a puppy that comes back
with behavioral problems, I'm like,
743
00:36:29,243 --> 00:36:30,833
damn, I should have picked better.
744
00:36:31,113 --> 00:36:32,133
I'm so sorry buddy.
745
00:36:32,133 --> 00:36:33,303
I should have picked better.
746
00:36:35,373 --> 00:36:37,053
Dixie: Yeah, I totally understand that.
747
00:36:39,318 --> 00:36:40,563
Ashley: Yeah, it sucks.
748
00:36:40,663 --> 00:36:44,018
That's the one part that, and like
only have to do euthanizations.
749
00:36:45,718 --> 00:36:49,618
'cause we have this puppy hospice program
that we started totally by accident.
750
00:36:49,618 --> 00:36:52,378
This thing came on and it's
such a long story, but it's,
751
00:36:52,558 --> 00:36:54,148
we call it Griffin's legacy.
752
00:36:54,148 --> 00:36:57,328
We call it the Baby Shark
program, and it's specifically
753
00:36:57,328 --> 00:37:01,078
for neurologic hospice, puppies.
754
00:37:01,468 --> 00:37:01,768
Okay.
755
00:37:01,768 --> 00:37:02,548
Like babies.
756
00:37:02,998 --> 00:37:05,308
And it is the hardest program.
757
00:37:05,788 --> 00:37:07,498
It is the most rewarding program.
758
00:37:07,498 --> 00:37:10,708
But I think when it comes to
the downsides of rescue, like
759
00:37:10,708 --> 00:37:14,108
we have a couple of downsides,
that's the one that's the worst.
760
00:37:14,108 --> 00:37:16,568
Anytime we have to euthanize
anything, I feel like it's awful.
761
00:37:17,078 --> 00:37:19,358
Anytime something dies, I feel
like that's the worst part.
762
00:37:19,358 --> 00:37:24,968
But I also feel like on the same
level, having to look a dog in the
763
00:37:24,968 --> 00:37:30,318
face and know you failed them, that's
something that like it, it falls.
764
00:37:30,318 --> 00:37:32,748
I don't know about you, but it
falls in the same category for me.
765
00:37:34,308 --> 00:37:35,298
Dixie: Yeah, no, I agree.
766
00:37:35,478 --> 00:37:41,238
Before we end the call, what final message
or advice do you have for our listeners
767
00:37:41,238 --> 00:37:43,368
regarding the animal welfare crisis?
768
00:37:44,181 --> 00:37:44,931
Ashley: Oh, God.
769
00:37:44,931 --> 00:37:46,671
Spay and neuter your animals.
770
00:37:46,881 --> 00:37:47,391
All of them.
771
00:37:47,771 --> 00:37:48,761
Train your dogs.
772
00:37:49,391 --> 00:37:49,781
Okay.
773
00:37:49,891 --> 00:37:52,831
Reach out for help if you need
it before you get to the point
774
00:37:52,831 --> 00:37:53,821
where you need to rehome.
775
00:37:54,401 --> 00:37:57,311
One of the biggest things I say to
my clients all the time is always
776
00:37:57,311 --> 00:38:01,021
is like my most disappointing thing
is I wish you reached out sooner.
777
00:38:01,441 --> 00:38:05,821
Don't wait six months make the call,
even if it's just to ask the questions.
778
00:38:05,821 --> 00:38:10,171
And I think, honestly, I think I
can speak for an entire community
779
00:38:10,471 --> 00:38:15,721
of rescuers and trainers and
whatever animal professionals.
780
00:38:16,236 --> 00:38:20,766
In saying we, we would rather
have you ask too many questions.
781
00:38:20,796 --> 00:38:24,646
We'd rather have you reach out with
something stupid that and send us a
782
00:38:24,646 --> 00:38:26,626
picture and are like, is this normal?
783
00:38:26,626 --> 00:38:28,606
Or, should I fix this?
784
00:38:28,606 --> 00:38:34,156
Or, we don't expect you to
be a dog like expert, right?
785
00:38:34,156 --> 00:38:36,736
But we do expect you to have the
common sense to reach out to the ones
786
00:38:36,736 --> 00:38:40,816
who are, and it's important to know
that everybody in the rescue community
787
00:38:40,816 --> 00:38:42,406
right now needs to band together.
788
00:38:42,406 --> 00:38:47,206
We need to help each other
in whatever way we can.
789
00:38:47,206 --> 00:38:50,146
Whether that's with information,
whether it's with education, whether
790
00:38:50,146 --> 00:38:55,286
it's with, help with transport, whether
it's somebody's got an extra foster.
791
00:38:55,286 --> 00:38:57,686
Maybe it's somebody has more
resources than the other one right
792
00:38:57,686 --> 00:38:58,916
now and they can step in and help.
793
00:38:59,276 --> 00:39:04,316
Or maybe it's just, hey, a
phone call for a plea for help.
794
00:39:04,426 --> 00:39:08,836
Right now, if you can't foster
volunteer, if you can't volunteer,
795
00:39:08,896 --> 00:39:10,996
donate, if you got no money, share it.
796
00:39:11,446 --> 00:39:17,626
Just keep sharing because right now,
the only way that the animal crisis is
797
00:39:17,626 --> 00:39:21,556
going to get better is if we all change.
798
00:39:21,916 --> 00:39:23,716
Like the communities have to change.
799
00:39:23,956 --> 00:39:25,486
The people have to change.
800
00:39:25,666 --> 00:39:27,436
The mentality has to change.
801
00:39:27,466 --> 00:39:30,346
If it doesn't change, it's
never going to get any better.
802
00:39:30,616 --> 00:39:32,896
We're not gonna be able to
un dig ourselves outta this
803
00:39:32,896 --> 00:39:34,636
one, like we're too far in it.
804
00:39:35,056 --> 00:39:40,276
It's gotta be something that
like changes as a whole for us
805
00:39:40,336 --> 00:39:41,746
to be able to fix it, right?
806
00:39:41,776 --> 00:39:45,376
Or we just have to hold on for
the next 10 years until everything
807
00:39:45,376 --> 00:39:50,116
finally writes itself and the adoption
population goes back up again.
808
00:39:50,116 --> 00:39:53,386
And the finances, the financial
world gets a little more
809
00:39:53,386 --> 00:39:55,406
stable or, that kind of thing.
810
00:39:55,406 --> 00:39:55,486
. So.
811
00:39:56,451 --> 00:39:59,401
Be supportive, be kind just be nice.
812
00:39:59,401 --> 00:40:00,751
Please be kind to one another.
813
00:40:00,871 --> 00:40:03,451
And like I said, train your
animals spay and neuter them.
814
00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:05,161
Take responsibility for them.
815
00:40:05,161 --> 00:40:06,631
Take accountability for them.
816
00:40:06,841 --> 00:40:09,511
Start working with them
before they develop problems.
817
00:40:09,511 --> 00:40:13,111
Build the kind of dog you want
instead of trying to correct it later.
818
00:40:13,351 --> 00:40:15,241
And always reach out and ask questions.
819
00:40:15,311 --> 00:40:18,941
Like I said, I don't think anybody's
ever going to turn around and be
820
00:40:18,941 --> 00:40:23,831
like, no, we, or shun you because
you asked if that behavior was
821
00:40:23,831 --> 00:40:25,421
a little weird and is it okay?
822
00:40:25,451 --> 00:40:26,021
That kind of thing.
823
00:40:26,021 --> 00:40:30,021
So, use the resources that are there for
you and don't wait too long to use them.
824
00:40:30,921 --> 00:40:33,641
Dixie: It's a great message,
and I would rather answer a
825
00:40:33,641 --> 00:40:36,161
question than take an animal back.
826
00:40:36,216 --> 00:40:41,426
That's the first thing that anybody should
do is, even another rescue if you're
827
00:40:41,426 --> 00:40:43,106
having difficulty with something just.
828
00:40:43,766 --> 00:40:46,616
Reach out to somebody else and see
they might be able to help you.
829
00:40:48,476 --> 00:40:49,376
Ashley: You'd be amazed.
830
00:40:49,376 --> 00:40:55,706
One thing that I've always found my whole
life is the power of a phone call, right?
831
00:40:56,306 --> 00:40:59,756
Even if it's just a, Hey, I don't
really know who I'm supposed to
832
00:40:59,756 --> 00:41:03,566
talk to about this, but I'm hoping
somebody can give me some guidance.
833
00:41:03,866 --> 00:41:06,206
You'd be amazed the kind of
response you're gonna get.
834
00:41:06,296 --> 00:41:11,936
There's never been a time that I've
done that where I've never somehow
835
00:41:11,936 --> 00:41:13,976
gotten something that benefited me.
836
00:41:14,136 --> 00:41:16,716
Whether it was knowledge, whether it
was the answer to a question, whether it
837
00:41:16,716 --> 00:41:19,536
was direction, whether it was whatever.
838
00:41:19,696 --> 00:41:23,326
It's make the phone call because
that's another thing, like we
839
00:41:23,326 --> 00:41:25,006
don't ever call people anymore.
840
00:41:25,516 --> 00:41:27,946
And it's something I also tell,
we work with teenagers too.
841
00:41:27,946 --> 00:41:31,226
And in the rescue and my teens, I tell
them all the time, like, when you get
842
00:41:31,226 --> 00:41:34,526
into college, make friends with your
professor, talk to people, call them.
843
00:41:34,576 --> 00:41:37,126
That's how you're gonna get your foot
in the door with things like, and it's
844
00:41:37,126 --> 00:41:39,106
the same thing in animal rescue, right?
845
00:41:39,436 --> 00:41:41,686
Make the phone calls, ask the questions.
846
00:41:42,076 --> 00:41:44,536
You'd be shocked how many
answers you're gonna get.
847
00:41:45,496 --> 00:41:48,046
Dixie: Thank you so much for
joining me today, Ashley.
848
00:41:48,046 --> 00:41:49,606
I really enjoyed our conversation.
849
00:41:50,716 --> 00:41:52,246
Ashley: Yeah, thanks
so much for having me.
850
00:41:52,246 --> 00:41:53,086
This was really fun.
851
00:41:54,856 --> 00:41:58,681
Dixie: We've reached all the time
that we have for today's episode . If
852
00:41:58,777 --> 00:42:02,287
you are enjoying our show, please
consider leaving us a donation.
853
00:42:02,617 --> 00:42:05,447
A hundred percent goes to our animals.
854
00:42:08,147 --> 00:42:10,567
Paws in
855
00:42:13,397 --> 00:42:21,937
the night Claws in the
fight Whiskers twitch and
856
00:42:23,957 --> 00:42:24,727
tails
857
00:42:27,187 --> 00:42:27,857
take flight
858
00:42:27,912 --> 00:42:34,262
They’re calling in Stories to spin
From the wild to the heart within
859
00:42:35,282 --> 00:42:40,832
Broken wings and hopeful springs
We’re the voices for these things
860
00:42:41,297 --> 00:42:44,937
animal posse hear the call.
861
00:42:46,597 --> 00:42:47,977
We stand together.
862
00:42:49,197 --> 00:43:01,057
Big and small Rescue tales We’ve
got it all Animal posse Saving
863
00:43:03,137 --> 00:43:03,557
them
864
00:43:09,427 --> 00:43:09,547
all
865
00:43:09,837 --> 00:43:16,497
The vet’s got tips The rescuer’s
grit The foster homes where love
866
00:43:16,497 --> 00:43:28,607
won’t quit From a pup in the rain to
a bird in pain , Every soul’s worth
867
00:43:30,882 --> 00:43:31,082
the
868
00:43:33,442 --> 00:43:35,262
strain
869
00:43:35,527 --> 00:43:38,437
Animal posse
870
00:43:43,407 --> 00:43:47,717
Hear the call
871
00:43:50,477 --> 00:43:54,367
We stand together Big
872
00:43:56,407 --> 00:44:04,787
and small Rescue tales We’ve got
it all Animal posse Saving them all
873
00:44:05,097 --> 00:44:11,207
Every caller tells a tale, every
howl a whispered wail, we rise up.
874
00:44:11,667 --> 00:44:12,327
We never
875
00:44:16,747 --> 00:44:16,907
fail.
876
00:44:19,697 --> 00:44:19,787
This
877
00:44:21,847 --> 00:44:21,907
is
878
00:44:24,327 --> 00:44:24,387
the
879
00:44:30,707 --> 00:44:32,847
bond
880
00:44:35,627 --> 00:44:37,357
The holy grail
881
00:44:37,387 --> 00:44:52,733
Animal posse Hear the call We stand
together Big and small Rescue tales We’ve
882
00:44:52,733 --> 00:45:01,502
got it all Animal posse Saving them all
883
00:45:01,552 --> 00:45:08,817
Every caller tells a tale Every howl
a whispered wail We rise up We never
884
00:45:08,817 --> 00:45:12,687
fail This is the bond The holy grail.
885
00:45:13,357 --> 00:45:16,437
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