Get the truth about colon hydrotherapy from Cathy Basse so you can use colonics safely and effectively for better health.  

We track Cathy’s journey to becoming a healer. Her mother’s premature death, when she was 12, and her father’s insistence on healthy food prompted Cathy’s keen interest in medicine and natural healing modalities. Working in a hospital as a nurse, she witnessed the chronic effects of poor food and lifestyle choices. She became passionate about preventing disease rather than treating it, and moved into colon hydrotherapy. 

Cathy gives us the lowdown on the benefits of colonics, what compromises our gut microbiome, and how our colon, liver, kidneys, lymph, sexual health, and nervous system are connected. And why regular bowel elimination is the key to achieving our health goals.  

Unpacking the history and science of colonics, and debunking common misconceptions, Cathy lays out why the closed system is preferable to the open. Then, walks us through how to find a skilled practitioner, what questions to ask, the best way to prepare, the logistics of a session, and how to optimize our results.   

Beyond the physical benefits, we explore the mental, emotional, and spiritual elements of the practice. Helping us understand why it’s called “therapy,” Cathy emphasizes the importance of working with an intuitive practitioner who treats with care and sensitivity.  

The big takeaway: Healing isn’t just what we eat or the actions we take, it’s about what we release.   

TESS’S TAKEAWAYS: 

• If your colon is congested, toxins get reabsorbed, putting a strain on vital organs.  
• Colon hydrotherapy helps the body keep up with the constant barrage of toxins.  
• Colonics help digestion, circulation, immunity, energy, mental clarity, and weight loss.  
• The practice supports pelvic and sexual health, to avoid UTIs and prostate issues.  
• Go for medical-grade treatments with a qualified practitioner rather than a spa session.  
• Choose the closed system to allow the practitioner to do bodywork during the treatment. 
• Work with a skilled therapist who remains in the room the whole time. 
• How many sessions you need depends on your physical and emotional needs and preferences. 

ABOUT CATHY: 

Cathy Basse is a licensed colon hydrotherapist certified in integrative bodywork and massage with a practice in Kansas City.  

Drawing on her career as a nurse and decades of experience in the healing arts, Cathy combines colonics with energy therapies, Bach Flower Remedies, Reiki, massage, and other therapeutic and intuitive strategies. She helps clients release physically and emotionally to manage stress, reduce pain, improve digestion and elimination, and enhance overall well-being.  

Cathy worked with Dr. Andrew Weil in the production of the PBS specials: Spontaneous Healing and 8 Weeks to Optimum Health, and has designed programs for other renowned experts in the wellness space.  

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Tess Masters is an actor, presenter, health coach, cook, and author of The Blender Girl, The Blender Girl Smoothies, and The Perfect Blend, published by Penguin Random House. She is also the creator of the Skinny60® health programs.       

Health tips and recipes by Tess have been featured in the LA Times, Washington Post, InStyle, Prevention, Shape, Glamour, Real Simple, Yoga Journal, Yahoo Health, Hallmark Channel, The Today Show, and many others.    

Tess’s magnetic personality, infectious enthusiasm, and down-to-earth approach have made her a go-to personality for people of all dietary stripes who share her conviction that healthy living can be easy and fun. Get delicious recipes at TheBlenderGirl.com.    

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Hi, Cathy. I am so excited that we get to have this conversation about health and colon hydrotherapy and healing and seeing each other and listener, you get to to feel what I feel about Kathy, hopefully. So Kathy, I want to start with these, these. It has to be me moments that led to you

becoming a master colon hydrotherapist. Where did it start?

You know, I have to think back. I think back to when it actually started, when when I was child. My mother died when I was about 12 years old, and she had, she had, you know, seven kids and 11 years she was in her early 40s. She was an attractive woman, and she was really just trying to reclaim her body and

really trying to reclaim, you know, her, I guess, control over having energy to raise all of these kids. And it was the early 60s, and you know, everybody was, you know, needing a little bit of caffeine to keep themselves going and and so, you know, people were drinking Coke and Pepsi and, you know, coffee,

like we still do, I guess. And but she started out, I think it was Pepsi Cola who started out with one of the first sugar substitutes on the market. They were called cyclamates. After they were on the market about three or four years they pulled them off the market because they realized they were creating

tumors in people. And she happened to be one of the people who was drinking, you know, drinking this constantly and going on and thinking she's not harming her body at all. Well, my father, I remember, came home after finding out she was so sick, and I was standing in the kitchen, and he's going through

our kitchen cabinets, and he's looking at all of these, you know, cans and maybe something we didn't have a lot of packaged food, but he was like, reading labels on things that were in the cabinets and throwing things away, and he just kept telling me, there's junk in this food, there's junk in this food, and I

don't want your kids eating any of it. And I could tell he was just so hurt and just so upset. And that just impacted me so much. You know, I've always been a sensitive kid, and I am, you know, empathic in a way, and it was hurting me, how much he was hurting. And so I think that was, like one of the first

things that made me realize that, you know, there was that there were things in our environment affecting us. So anyway, I kind of fast forward from that period of time. My father always wanted us taking our lunches. He we would make lunches at home or we take them. And when I was in high school,

all of my friends were, of course, going off campus to the fast food places. And, you know, kings and Dairy Queen and, you know, Taco Bells and stuff. And I had my little brown bag, but I would want to get off campus too. And so I would walk just a few blocks away from high school where there was this, you know,

a specialty food. So you're talking early 70s, you know, health food stores were really coming in. And so I wandered into this health food store, and I could see all of these bags of like herbs on the shelves and bottles of supplements. And they also had some convenience foods of things that they were making,

tofu salad and bottled drinks. And so I walked in there, and I started asking a lot of questions. And what you start asking a lot of questions to people who are busy and, you know, they they say, here go to the library. And what they meant was, go to the corner of the store. We have a lot of resource

books over there, you know. So I'd go to the corner of the store and I just start reading about herbs, right? Or I'd start reading about health, and one day they were, they were getting so excited because they were getting a juicer. And I got very excited too. And I go, What is a juicer? You know, are explaining

to me what a juicer is and how they were going to be able to sell juices, and people are going to be able to fast. And I was like, fasting, that's pretty exciting. What's a fast to the corner of the store? And, of course, I pick up, you know, these books on juice fasting and realizing, wow, these are pretty

cool. Because, you know, if you have sinus. Congestion, you can fast for that. If you have inflammation in your body, you can fast for that. You can fast for this. And I said, Well, I want to do a fast. This looks pretty interesting. And they say, Well, if you're going to have a fast you're going to have

to do a colonic. And I go, Okay, I'm game colonic, you know, and, you know, just being always very curious. And say, Sure, put me in and, and they said, go to the library. And so that's when I think I picked up my first book on it was Bernard Jensen, you know, who is the iriologist. And he's like, the road to health is

paved with good intestines. So I'm like reading about, you know, detoxification of the colon, you know, all of these different things. And that they talked about enemas. And then Norman Walker came along, and I picked up his book, and I'm looking at the fold out page of the whole layout of the colon

and and so I have kind of a scientific mind. Anyway, back then, science was my big strong suit, and I was anyway, I said, Okay, I think I can do this. And I Where do I go? And I have to drive two and a half miles away. Actually, I was living in a small town outs in Missouri. I had to drive to Kansas City to

get a colonic from two and a half hours, two and a half hours to go get, you know, so I'm in my little Volkswagen Bug. You know, we don't have GPSs then, and we don't have cell phones then, and I have my juices getting ready to fast, and they're in a cooler in the back a little Volkswagen, and it's

like I took off. I mean, I can't even believe that I did this and not told anyone what I was doing. I was going to go to Kansas City, get a colonic, start my juice, fast and drive home, you know? And it's exactly what I did. But I came to Kansas City, and I found these people in this house, and it was a

completely unusual experience, but it was one of those things that impacted me. And I guess you could say, you know, it was one of those, wow, it had to be me moments, you know, because it was about me and about my the beginning of my path into understanding a little bit more about the impact of the

environment and food and juicing and that kind of thing on the body and detoxification. You know, I am I when I was in school, I was part of a pilot program where they were allowing some of the students who had already completed their credits to graduate to choose an opportunity to either take some

classes at college or go into vocational work. And I decided I was going to go into nursing. And so I think it was through that experience first, once I've done this juice fast and I've had a colonic, and I'm starting to understand, you know, detoxification a little bit, when you go into the hospital

and you realize, oh my gosh, people are having a really hard time pooping, you know, and it's like they have, oh, One of the other things you realize was that so many of the conditions they were in the hospital for were, you know, could be related to lifestyle, you know, and had they made Different choices in

their lifestyle that maybe this heart disease or these kidney disease or this, you know, colon disease or whatever it was that they were experiencing, maybe their path would have not been that, you know, if we understood well, as I was beginning to understand with all the reading and everything that, you know,

stress and choices and lifestyle and our path as to what we choose to eat, and, you know, exercise and taking care of ourselves, you know, there was a way to maybe prevent some of these things I was seeing in the hospital, and I was also wondering, why do they not have colonics in the hospital? You

know,

for 30 years, I know it's

like, you know, it's like I'd had, I had a colonic. I understood what it did. And you have people who are, you know, bed ridden, or you have people who are there for prolonged periods of time on pain medicine, and they're not having the opportunity to eliminate so that was, that was,

like, really impactful for me, you know, so in that process, I guess you could say studying. Impact of stress on the body was I started with a couple of friends of mine, but one friend in particular, we started like going back to the health food store and seeing that they had flyers about all of these

different weekend seminars that were happening. Maybe there would be something on Bach flower remedies, or maybe there was something on, you know, essential oils, but they were always outside of the small town that I was living in. So I'd either drive to Kansas City or St Louis or Boulder Colorado,

you know. And we we go and we take these seminars. Well, we were on our way to one that was actually in Arizona, so this was a long trip we were taking, and we were driving through Albuquerque, New Mexico when it started snowing, and they made, they closed the highway, and we had to get off the road, and we

had to, you know, get a hotel room. But we also had this fun little game that we played. And of course, this again, this was before cell phones and GPS and internet. So we would read the yellow pages just to kind of see what was going on in this table. And I'd never been to Albuquerque, and so we started

reading, looking for health food stores, or, you know, juice bars, or, you know, different types of restaurants. And I and I was going, wow, there's a lot of colon therapists in this. Actually, there was a school of colon hydrotherapy. And I was like, wow, this is amazing. And I said, we ought to get a

colonic. We ought to do a juice fast on the way to doing this, you know, seminar, we'll have to do a colonic first. And you know, here I'm repeating everything I had heard, you know, back when I was 17. And so I called the school, and they and they called us like at eight o'clock the next morning and

said, Yes, we have two openings in the clinic. So we went in and we had, it was my second colonic, and it was my friend Richard's first colonic, and we kind of came out of there, both going, Oh, wow, that was an amazing experience, right? And, and then we started our juice fest, and kind of, you know,

made our way along, you know, to doing our, our, our weekend seminar. So anyway, I would say that that's kind of how, you know, those things kind of started for me after I'd gone to the school, though, I picked up a brochure and I took it back with me, and I, you know, you go to the hospital, and you, you

know, have this lifestyle at home where you're, you know, eating organic, and you're eating clean, and you're eating things that you know help your body to keep moving on a number of different levels. There's a lot of consciousness that goes into the types of foods that you eat and preparing those foods,

and the energy you put into food preparation. And I remember in the hospital, I'd come in with these big grocery bags, and it would have my meal for two meals, I'd have lunch and I'd have dinner, and they would and everything was like in a different container, where people that I was, you know,

eating with at the hospital, they were, you know, bringing in fast food, right? They were ordering out for pizza or ordering out for, you know, Mexican, or ordering out for this. But no, I have my little key for cheese, and I have my avocado and I've got my sprouts and my rice cake, pulling it all

out of this bag, and they just kind of keep looking at me, going, what are you eating? You know, it's like real food. I'm eating real food. Thank you very so, you know, it's, it was, it was, after a little while, I realized I was going to sell everything I owned and I was going to go to the school,

because I really saw that there was, there would be, at some point in time, a clinical application for colon hydrogen. I mean, I could just feel it, I could just see it, and I could see my path changing at that point in time, and there are many times I tried to get out of doing colon hydrotherapy. I

mean, I also had this training in natural therapy and alternative medicine where I could go into designing health recovery programs for people. I was doing bodywork, polarity therapy, Reiki, all of these other things, but what I realized was the tox, the the the toxic level, the toxic load

that was happening in people as I was working with them, realizing you need a colonic, and finding a good colon hydrotherapist, or finding any colon hydrotherapist, was becoming to. Difficult, and so I just found myself being pulled back in to doing colon hydrotherapy. I was already

certified and ready to go. So, you know now it all started for me. I know that's a long story, but

Oh, I loved it. I could have listened to it all day long. So what I was hearing was that you were always drawn to being a healer.

Yes, yes, I have been. I feel like I have been a healer my whole life. You know, I recognized it as a child. I think mostly because of just feeling so intuitive, you know, empathic, you know, and curious. And I just noticed it Well, first of all that you are a little bit different, and the

people who are drawn to you are a little bit different, and the people you are drawn to. But I realized since I was a child, I was always, I always had that kind of healing aspect. And I thought it would be nursing. I thought it would be medicine. I never, I never realized that it would be in the area of

complementary, all alternative or helping to helping other people pursue Well, their well being, their sense of well being, never realized that, and that was just again, staying curious, staying open, and knowing that something was looking for me as much as I was looking for it, right?

Oh, yeah, that into my heart. It's so beautiful, and thank God for you listening to your heart and being led by it and staying curious, because you truly are one of the most gifted, intuitive colon hydrotherapists I have ever met. And I have spoken at the IAct convention, I

have met hundreds of colon hydrotherapists. I've done colon hydrotherapy sessions all over hydrotherapy sessions all over the world, and one of the number one things I do when I come to Kansas City is and it's always an amazing, amazing time together. So dear listener, if you've never experienced colon

hydrotherapy before, Kathy. Let's do a little bit of a one on 1101, I should say, what is colon hydrotherapy and why do we need to care about it?

Well, I really think that, well, colon hydrotherapy is this century old technique, right? It's, it may be a couple of centuries old, but what it does, it's been utilized by a number of different health practitioners, to rid the body of toxins. The absence of toxins enables us to

just recover faster from physical stresses or emotional stresses, a caused by what we call a general auto intoxication. And one of the things I'm going to share with you, and one of the things that that we're able, that we are, that we do know now, that we haven't known before in the

past, there, there's this thing called and there's a blood test, actually, that can help you see your level of toxicity. And it was one of those things, actually, that was developed here in Kansas at the Riordan clinic. And it's called an endocrine level. And if you have an indican an elevated endocrine

level, it can actually help you see the level of tox auto intoxication that's going on in your body. That means that auto intoxication means it's not just one system, like the digestive system or the colon elimination system that's being affected. We actually see how there's toxins going into the bloodstream

that's also affecting the respiratory system, that's also affecting the lymphatic system, that's also affecting the skin. At this point, maybe we have, you know, where it's affecting the nervous system. At this point, you have brain fog, or you feel irritable and anxious all the time. This the the

endocrine level can actually tell us that, yeah, your body's toxic and we need to do something about it. So I think many more practitioners out there are saying we have to get people to a baseline by detoxifying them. And what's the fastest way we can do this? Well, we put them on a program

that eliminates the things that are creating leaky bowel, or, you know, congestion in their body. And I think we've talked about that, the processed foods, the, you know, the processed flour, the processed sugar, the dairy products, and, you know, animal products. You know, in the form of meat. And it's like,

I'm not opposed to eating any of these things, but when that is the majority of your diet, you're not getting enough, you know, whole plant based foods, and you're into your integrated into your body, and drinking plenty of clean water, you know, over a period of time, if you're not eliminating well, and you're

not conscious of eliminating wealth, because we're take we have this big intake of different kinds of foods and other things that are impacting us, actually in our atmosphere, but in our environment. But if we're not eliminating or letting go of these things that continues to build up in our

system, that byproduct continues to, you know, increase in our system, and then we find ourselves, you know, in the state of toxemia. So colon hydrotherapy has been utilized as a way to help with eliminating the byproduct of metabolism quickly, you know, assisting the body and

eliminating it quickly. And a lot of people utilize it as a form of to help relieve them of constipation, but it actually helps to take the load off of things like the liver and the kidneys that have kind of kicked in to help detoxify, detoxify the body rapidly as well, because maybe the colon isn't

able to release As much as it needs to, and it's been impacted through medications, through lifestyle choices, through illness, through stress. You know, that's why people have utilized it over a period of time. I think enemas were, were the one of the big things that people utilized for a while

because there weren't enough people doing colon hydrotherapy, as you know, but they weren't. And, you know, I think that enemas are really great process that is helpful to people, but it doesn't go deep enough. And you're also self administering those things. It's an infusion of water you have to, you know,

eliminate it quickly. Enemas are really good for I also think infusing other things, like we talk about coffee, you know, you're not going to do a whole Enema of coffee. You know, you're going to do a couple of cups in the lower area of the colon to get that impact to the to the liver that you're looking

for. Or some people utilize chlorophyll and wheat grass and that types of things. So enemas have a really great place. But for elimination, I really think that colon hydrotherapy is the way to go. It's going to impact you, you know, faster, and it's going to go deeper, and it's going to, you know, help with

elimination of other things as well, emotionally as

well. It's so powerful. So for people out there that say, Well, you don't need to do that, the body is a miraculous machine, and it eliminates on its own. Whenever I hear that from people, I always have a bit of a twinkle in my eye and go, Okay, let's dive into this. So I'd be

interested to see what your response to that would be,

yeah, and how many meals did you eat yesterday? And how about how many bowel movements have you had in that time period? You know, it's like. And you know, how satisfied were you with that? You know, I think every, I think everyone can benefit from colon hydrotherapy, and especially

when people are traveling, or they're under a lot of stress, or they've had a lot of emotional things impacting them in their lives, it's like, it's so I think we hold on to so much, and it's like, When we hold on to so much about, you know, what's going on with us in our world, the caring that we

have for other people, the things that we hold on to, also impacts how much we hold On in our body, you know? And so when people say, you know, your body naturally will eliminate, some people can't let go, and some people, they'll go. I mean, I've, I've talked with people who've gone weeks without having

a bowel movement, you know, and it's and, you know,

boy, does that give new meaning. To the shit that you're holding on to,

yeah, the stuff you're holding on to, and how and why and what's going on, you know? It's like, what's going on in your world, you know? And it's like, did you, you know, some people are like, I just, I wasn't aware that this was happening. And it's like, wow. Okay, well, let's talk about

where, you're at with that. Why? Why? Why? What are you avoiding? What are you choosing not to look at that normal function within your body has not been a priority for you, right? I mean, we get worried about, you know, the wrinkles on our face and the plaque that's on our teeth. Do we not realize that plaque is

building up in other places, in our body, around our heart? Oh, yeah, we're worried about that one, but we never think about the plaque or the lining or of what. And, you know, I think we've talked about this also. It's like, you know, the colon is, is, is the the drainage pathway for all of the drainage

pathways of the body. If we look at, you know, drainage pathways being a funnel, where the actual funnel is like your skin, and then you're looking at the lungs, and then you're looking at the liver and kidneys. Well, you know what that last area is the colon. The colon is the bottom of the funnel. If that is

slowed down and sluggish, where is everything going to go? You know, it's going to overwhelm the funnel, and then it all of that has to go somewhere. It's going to spill over into the bloodstream and the lymphatic system. And then we wonder why we're puffy. And then we wonder why we're breaking out. We're

wondering why, you know, you know, it's, it just goes on and on. It's, you know, we call it the house of cards, you know, it's like it has to go somewhere, right until it begins to break down. And then you finally say, Well, you know, I don't have that many bowel movements in a week. And it's

like, okay, well, let's start there,

you know, bringing up for me memories of sessions with you where I love, how you just sit there with me and ask, what's going on in your world? And we start there and meet in this place of what's going on. What do we want to release? Setting an intention, building up that trust. And for me,

besides your medical background and vast knowledge of the human body and all of the technical, physiological aspects of it. It really is a spiritual release, yes, you know, an emotional, mental, physiological other, you know, it's all the things. And so when you're Yeah, yeah, yeah, and, and, and the word that's

coming up for me, as we're talking is surrender,

yes, well, you're also putting yourself in a very vulnerable

position, letting someone put a tube up your butt, and a stranger

vulnerable than that, you know, it's like you're lying on this table and we're, you know, we're, you know, inserting a speculum and and then you're turning over on, you know, your back, yeah, like you're looking at each other and maybe you're not familiar with each other at all. This is a

very vulnerable experience. The first thing I feel with people is, so how are you doing? You know, yeah, what's going on for you there? You know, can can we?

And for a lot of people, they have never had anything inserted up their anus. Well, that's most people is made for one way, traffic is what most

people will exit, only, yes,

baby, exit. Only, right? And so far, is that right? Yeah, and it is very vulnerable. Is the word yes.

It's a very, it's, you know, I can say that, you know, it's, it's modest, it's, and I can say for the most part, it's really non invasive, and it's a very clean in, you know, process. But, and for me, it's like people are covered. There's a lot of attention given to modesty. But yet, still, this is

very vulnerable. You know, people feel very vulnerable. You have control, you know. And so in feeling that and also having experienced it myself, it's like, you know, for someone to look over at you and say, so, tell me what's going on for you over here you read. For this, we're going to take some deep

breaths. Here comes some water. This is how I want you to begin the process of allowing and receiving and then releasing. And we go through that. And then also, I'm a big, big person when it comes to abdominal massage, so to lie your to lay your hand on someone's abdomen, oh, that begins a process of release,

right there. You know, it's a very guarded, sensitive area, and it's like, okay, let's, let's, I'm, I'm going to do this. Are you okay with that, right? And so there's a lot of holding our breath, you know, through that. Okay, well, alright, yeah, some people are okay with it, yeah, that would

feel really good. That's this. And some people aren't as comfortable with it, you know. So, yeah, this is, this is where the intuition, this is where intuition and sensitivity and awareness, you know, connecting with your client is so important, you know,

and that's your superpower, Kathy. Because what I'm hearing, what's coming up for me as we're talking as well is about this. What are we holding on to? What are we releasing? And so often it's about permission. Yes, we talked about allowing, but I often find when I'm in a session with you,

you'll say, what's going on in your world? And I'll just start to cry, and not necessarily even out of trauma, but it's just, oh, I'm in a safe space where I've got permission to completely let go in this space right now, physiologically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, everything. And you

often will just say, How does that feel?

Yes, what do you what's going on? Yeah, it's just that constant, you know, it's it, it's, I really think it's checking in. I mean, yes, paying attention to the technical, you know, application of doing this treatment. I mean, because you have to pay attention to that too, you know, I'm counting in

my mind how many seconds you know a water is going in, you know? So there's things that I'm paying attention to, but also there is the what's going on with you? How are you handling this? How is this feeling? You know, you know you're going to say, is the temperature of the water working for you? You know,

that kind of thing. But there's also the checking in. And I have had people numerous times just say, God, I had no idea I was holding on to that, you know, because they may be emoting. I don't know why I'm talking about this. And it's like, it's okay, what goes on in the colon room stays in the

Oh, it's tighter than Vegas, baby.

Dump it here. You know, it's like,

I'm talking to you. I'm again being reminded of how special you are as a therapist, because having done hundreds of sessions for decades now, you always know when to change the water temperature, when to release the vowel, when to make it faster or slower. I mean, I the minute I feel like I

needed to change, you're already there. You're already one second ahead of me, and that's the intuitive nature of what makes you a master therapist, in a way. I mean, oh gosh, I have, literally, even when I've asked all the right questions, and I want to ask about that to you in a minute. And literally, I've

gotten to a session with someone just trying something in a different city or something, and then I've realized, oh no, no, this isn't a safe space. This person isn't a Master Practitioner, and they're running two rooms at the same time. But didn't disclose that to me, and I've had to literally

go, excuse me. I'm sorry, no, and I will pull, you know, the tube out, and I will pay for the session and leave mid session. I have done that multiple times

because, yeah, I get what you're saying. Because also, the one of the big differences with me also is I've never been a really great I want to say business person, because I like to have time. I don't schedule things back to back to back to back. You know, I want my clients to feel like they can

come in, they can take their time. Well, first of all, you know, if they're running late, you don't want them running in and, you know, feeling stressed out, I always say it's okay take a deep breath. We have plenty of time, you know. So I don't run people back to back. And then I also give space for whatever

comes up on the. Table. You never know. It's like, we have to customize treatments to the individual, you know, because this isn't just a, technically, a colonic. This is a therapy session, you know. And it's like, I don't think that's colon hydrotherapy. That's the difference between a colonic and

what it is I deliver, you know, and, and I, I guess for me, if I don't feel like it was a good session, then I want to make more space for them the next time, because I you know that there's something there, and you feel that there's something there at the surface now that can come also. I mean, there's,

I think that I don't know why anyone else would get into colon hydrotherapy, unless they're really I mean, as far as a career is concerned, or vocation is concerned, because there's so much more to it than just, you know, the the technical application of it, you know, the the running of it, there's,

there's more that's there.

And it's an exchange of energy, and it's, it's an exchange that you create together. You said, what I deliver, you are delivering a service. But when you surrender to it, give yourself permission, and you trust, and that is established in the room, it is a conversation, yes, and being so

intuitive, you're having a conversation with my body. We're talking a little bit. Sometimes we're not. And also, what's interesting is the time when you sit on the toilet after the session, your private time. That's very different every session too, yeah, and so you don't want to rush that time

either, like I've sometimes sat after a session and just released even further and just cried and cried and then felt incredible, yes. And so interesting how that happens, you know, I even having done hundreds and hundreds of colonics. I had this session with a really incredible

therapist that I'd been seeing for quite some time. We had an amazing relationship. And this one time I went in there, and the trust was there. Everything was amazing. I had always had these amazing flushes, and I just surrendered them. But this one day, it was because I was holding on emotionally, because

my husband had had this horrible accident. It was incredibly traumatic. I was in that fight or flight, and the water just kept coming out clean 10 minutes, 15 minutes into what had never happened before, and I just, I was just holding and I was so, yeah, I couldn't let it go, because I was so terrified,

and he just put his hand on my forehead, he put his hand on my heart, and he said, It's okay to let this go. Yeah. And the minute he gave me permission, oh, my God, I gave birth to aliens. I mean, it was like the floodgate Troy. It was so extraordinary. And that was my first real experience before

coming to see you and doing it much later in my life, where I really understood viscerally, emotionally, spiritually, how powerful this practice is when you're in consort with a Master Practitioner. So thank you for that. So let's talk about some of the mechanics about what to expect. So first of all, let's

talk about finding a really good practitioner if you can't get to Kansas City and see you, and you don't need to be a great business woman, because you got people lining up to see you because you're so extraordinary. But what are the questions we need to ask? First of all, let's talk about the difference

between the open and closed system. There's different people. Yeah, let's do that first, and then I want to ask you about the questions we should be

asking. Okay, okay, well, you talk about that. What is, what's the difference between the two systems? I think the greatest difference, one, one of them is, I think we talk about it. It's a console system that's kind of like, that's the open system. With that one, it's kind of like you're going to go

in, there's a bed you you're giving instruction, but there's actually a small scope that you get the opportunity to insert yourself. You have complete control of the water. You have complete control of the elimination. It's like you're in control. And I really think they're really great for people

who need to be in control. You know, they it's very private. They're in there on their own. I think the delivery is for 40 minutes, you know, I don't, it's, I think that's what it is. I think they allow you 40 minutes to be on this table. The other thing is, is, is that I really see it as I doesn't seem

to me that will go as deep as the as the closed system. The closed system is. You have a therapist there who's trained to insert a speculum, which is a little bit Lacher than the one you're going to find in the open system, right? Because the open system one is you're basically sitting down on that. You're

lowering yourself down onto this and you have control over how much water is going in, how fast is going in? What the temperatures are, how long you're going to hold on to it for and release it? I mean, it's a lot of control that's happening there. With the with the closed system, you actually

have a therapist who's paying attention to, you know, inserting a speculum so that it's comfortable, you know, making sure that you're turn over onto your back, that you modestly covered, and the therapist is helping you to, I would say, drive, you know, drive The session. So we're

there to help, facilitate and to stay connected with you as to how much water you can take, how much more water do you want to be able to take? And then in eliminating and talking it through, and it's like, wow, you know, we can both see what's happening there. And as you're finding that the all you're

seeing, all of this stuff, eliminating whatever it is, whether it's a lot of fermentation or a lot of you know, I want to say old material, new material, impacted feces, you can say it, and it's like you're you have a conversation that's going on about what's going on with your

body and how you're feeling, and what part of the colonists is coming from, and you know. And then along with that, you find people bringing things up in conversation. And I think that the fact that they aren't in control gives them the opportunity just to let it all go, whether it's letting it all

go physically, whether it's letting it all go, you know, emotionally, and then you I always say, you know, it never amazes me. It let me let me say this. It still amazes me. The power of colon hydrotherapy and the transformation you see happening to people on the table when they're actually letting go

and they're dumping all of this stuff and even getting up and, you know, going into the bathroom, and they come back in, and they look like completely different people.

Finally, I take pictures of myself before and after. The whites of your eyes look clearer, your skin, you feel lighter, you feel better. I mean, it's extraordinary. I'm the Libby open system, where I have only ever done the open system with a practitioner in the room the whole time. That's

great, because how strict I am about having a practitioner in the room the whole time, yes, but for me, why I keep coming back to the closed system is that you can only lie on that plastic, or whatever the material is, the bed, you know, and wash it down and whatever, you can't lay on each side you

they don't do as much. They're not able to do as much body work. They can't get into the back cavities of your body, which is where so much our vulnerability is with our kidneys. And you know, if we talk about Chinese medicine, that's such a huge life force energy point. And you know,

doing the the abdominal massage, and you know, different electrodes or lymphatic these all the things that can be done with the closed system and changing your position, right, depending on what's needed, cannot be done with the open system. And for me, I don't want to be in full control of it,

because it doesn't go as deep, because the minute you experience a bit of discomfort or a little bit too much water, you just let it, you release

it. Maybe it's also an open system, so it's all there, and it's, and I would say also it's, it's, it's an open system. So it is a lot like being in a bathroom like so with a closed system, it's like whatever is being eliminated is going through this tube. And you never exactly, it's very, you

know, it's, it's actually amazing that, you know, nothing is ever smelled like it.

Just to say, I'll just be disgusting. It's the most dignified way to take a shit, let me tell you, because it does not messy, it doesn't smell.

It's great. I mean, it's like it and you don't even have to look if you don't want to, you know, it's like it's just happening. You know, I love to

look at every little thing.

I look at the toilet bowl every single time I go to the toilet, whether it's a number one or a number

two, look at your stuff. You know, it's. This is my step, and I'm going to look at it, and I'm going to happy colon, happy life

is what I say, right?

Exactly. It said, they call it the second brain, right? You know, yes, that's another thing. It's like. I even think that Michael Gershon said the second brain, it's a colon, you know, it's like, and if it's congested, you can't think, you know, it's like, if it's congested, it's impacting, you

know, the reflexes to every other place in your body, you know. And so it's like, they, you know, they've understood this for years, that, you know, there is a big connection between opening up here, opening up, you know, down here as well, or opening up down here helps things open up here as well. In

the oh, look,

the clarity, the brain clarity, the epiphanies, the downloads you get about your it has to be me, the intuitive hits that you get when you clear it all out. Oh, it's just extraordinary. Let's talk about some of the questions. If we're wanting to go and have a colonic and find an amazing colon

hydrotherapist, what are your suggestions and what questions should we be asking?

You know how long? Well, one of the big things is is I really think that you need to get as many referrals as you can from practitioners that you like and that you trust already. You want to ask people you know, and look at the reputation of the therapist and how long have they been practicing, and get

somebody on the phone. You want to get someone on the phone so that, as you're discussing the process of saying, you know, this is something I want to I've been thinking about this is something that I want to do, you know, begin talking to someone. And I think just making that connection is going to be a big

deal, you know, for you, and connecting with someone just in talking and seeing how you relate to them in that way is going to make a big difference on how you're going to relate to them in the in the office. So you want to know, how long have they been a therapist? What is their philosophy about colon

hydrotherapy. What system you know, do they use, and are they with you in the room the whole time? Are they working just on you? Do you see one person at a time? How you know how long are your sessions? How long do you have in between sessions? Do you remain? Do you recommend any other type of body work? Or, you

know, what other things do you How much time do you ask? Do you do you have for transition between clients? I think that's really important so people aren't going to feel rushed. And I think between those things, you know, what their philosophy is, how long they've been practicing, you know, the

referrals that you get from other people, I think that makes a big difference. You know, I really do. I think

getting someone on the phone is such a great tip, because when you can feel somebody's energy, like you say, it's such a great

voice, you know, because you're in a room with them for at least 45 minutes, you know, it's like you have to be able to, you know, enjoy their voice and where they're coming from, and if it matches where you're coming from, you know,

yeah, and you do get an intuitive hit about people when you speak to them, yes. And if it doesn't feel quite right, that's a no for me. And the minute they say that they don't stay in the room the whole time. Thank you very much. Should I put the phone down?

Because, you know when we talk about, like, tips, how to maximize your system, your your actual your results with a colonic, right? Knowing that that person's going to be in the room with you, because you want to get clear about what your intention is, you know, it's like, yes, you know it's

like, you have people coming in who say, I have leaky gut, I have SIBO, I have these things going on, and I'm just really so uncomfortable, right? And it's like, well, what's been going on for you? Okay? What other intentions would do you want to talk about? Is there any other intention that you want to talk

about while you're here? You know, we want you want your client coming in to be present with their body, to be able to breathe, to be able to relax and to allow their motion, their emotions to flow. You know, these things are really important. And so in speaking with someone on the phone, you

you know that's a question to ask, what you know, as. Opposed to, how do I prepare for a colonic? It's like, How can I maximize my results while I'm there with you? What do you how do I prepare for this session? So it's like, yeah, it's great to start, you know, getting congesting foods out of our

system, hydrating our system. You might even want to do a fast the day before. You know, at least fasting for, you know, eight hours before you come in. You may not want to eat a heavy breakfast. Why don't you just try some juices and if you absolutely have to some a light meal before you come in. But you

know, because there's a lot of people who expend a lot of energy before they come in to see you, and you could see that they might be getting hungry if they're not used to fasting at all. But you want to be able to say to someone, what are your recommendations? How can I get the best session out of this

session that I'm going with you? And what

would you and any quality practitioner is going to send you guidance on how to prepare, yes, before the session anyway, and the the last thing you want to do is eat a McDonald's cheeseburger and fries in the car five minutes before you walk into Well,

again, we go back to our intention. What's the why coming? You know, because I've had people walk in where I say, No, I can't work with you. And there's actually been people where I say no, I you know, because it's important to me to have a client who is going to be compliant. I mean, they're

spending a lot of money, and yes, it is their session, but why are you hiring me? You know, what is it you're looking for? So we all have to be clear of our intention as to why we're there. And with some people, don't waste my time, it's kind of like, you know, it's like, if, if you're not wanting to get

well, if this isn't going to be an impactful for you, why are we doing this? You know, it's like, are you looking at making some changes? Do you need to make some changes? Why are we doing this? You know, is it just so that you look better in the bathing suit for the weekend? You know, it's like I

and a lot of people do it for what the quick weight loss before an event, a wedding, etc, etc. What's coming up for me again, about is this word receiving, the word receiving that you used before, because if we think about water and taking water into our bodies and filling our colon with

water, water takes on whatever shape it's in, and if we're not going to be receiving the water And the treatment and the healing, and that's not part of the intention and the energy between us. We're going to be limited as to what it can actually do like so when you're when you go into a session,

dehydrate, right?

I mean, your therapy was part of spa treatments, because this healing through water, is what you know spa means it's, you know, it's actually an acronym, right? It's spares per aqua, you know, it's healing through water, yeah, right. And so, yes, water goes in and permeates an area, you

know, and it takes, it takes a little while sometimes for that to happen. That's why being with an experienced therapist, you know, letting water flow slowly over a period of time, and asking someone to breathe through because when you, when you have the sensitivity of feeling something and

immediately the body is going to want to contract. And it's like, if you can breathe through that resistance just a little bit and let it just keep going, it will, it will, it will take on the shape of what's there. And then you have that, that backflow that begins to happen where it's like, oh, okay, I see what this.

I can feel this. I can see what this is doing now, right?

Or just feel it and trust it. Because if I was gonna say, if you go in dehydrated, if you're really dehydrated before a session, then a lot of the water hydrating you from the inside out, not actually flushing things out. Like I always have a colonic before I do a long haul

flight. If I'm traveling from Australia to America, I have a colonic the day before. Right? To hydrate. And I hydrate with, with high water content foods and raw I do all raw, vegan everything the day before and the day of. That's just, it's just something, right? Yeah, yeah, to hydrate before a long

haul flights. It's so incredibly dehydrating. And then, if I know somebody when I get there, I'll then do a Clonic when I get there as well a few days later, or something like that. But it just never ceases to astonish me, the power of

water. Yes.

With the right energy, you know, with with the the intention, like you're saying. So we've talked about how to prepare.

Oh, I also think another thing that you need to ask the colon therapist is, what kind of water and filtration system that they're using that's really and also, are, you know, are do they use disposables? Do they have an autoplay, you know, those kinds of things are really important for your hygiene,

right? But also, to know, like in our in our clinic, or in my studio, here, we use reverse osmosis system for all of our clients, and we have a huge tank, you know, and it's like, and because we know that that water is as clean as they're going to get it, you know, a six chamber water filtration system

that's on the hot water as well as the cold, it's the best we can deliver, you know, and that's really important for me, because water is so powerful. Clean water is very powerful for the body, and if we're looking at detoxifying and purifying our systems, you have to have good water. So also asking that are

some other good questions when you're on the phone with them, what kind of system, what kind of filtration system you know, do you and what kind of instruments do you use? Makes sense, right?

So after we've had our colonic, what do you recommend we do right after the colonic? We talked about maximizing our results during the the colon hydrotherapy session, what about right afterwards that that night,

the next day, right? What I tell my, what would I tell my clients, is, is like you don't want to run out and, you know, immediately go for Mexican food. You know, it's like your or barbecue. It's like you just have detoxified your body. First of all, you know, it's like you want to make sure

you again. You know, are, are hydrating your system. But I always say, you know, think about being very gentle with your system. You know, very kind of, almost bland, baked, you know, you don't want to eat a lot of raw food. Juices would be perfect a smoothie or soup is broth, those types of things are

very gentle on your system. But you if you need to eat, and can eat, I always say, What about baked fish? You know, a baked potato, steamed vegetables, you know, mild grains, you don't want to do brown rice, you know, you don't want to do anything that's like, extremely high fiber, difficult to digest, you

know, but those are the things that I recommend. It's like, think about the simplest foods that you can be putting in your body, the most easily digestible foods you don't want to, you know, go to a bar, sports bar, and immediately start eating, you know, fried chicken, Lacher and a beer. You know, it's like,

I mean, I'm fine, but I don't want those anyway.

That's you want us, yeah, I mean,

you just feel so clean and so clear. You want to stay clean and clear. So I always just want the

healthiest. We talked about maximizing the experience that we just had. So think about what's what is that going to be for you? Can you go into a fast at this point? You know, can you continue to you know, you came in not having eaten very much and hydrated your system and giving yourself

this gift of doing colon hydrotherapy. Could you move into a fast at this point? Could you move into doing a blender? You know, girl kind of week. Could you know what I'm saying? It's like, think about what your intention is. Again, it all goes back to why? Why am I getting a colon hydrotherapy session, you

know? And I also think this, I think that we've, we've talked about this before in this past, too, that I don't know the Bible therapy, but a long time ago, and this is also before we could actually measure endocrine levels and that kind of thing. But they used to say everybody has to come in and have weekly

colonics times 10. Well, that can be an awful lot for some people, right?

Can I ask you about that? Kathy? Because to me, that's a red flag when you go and have a session with somebody and they immediately go, Oh, you're going to need, you're going to need to buy a package of 10 now. You're going to need to come in, you know, once a week for the next X

amount of weeks. Or you're going to need to come in twice, and they just immediately want to sell you this huge package of things. That seems like a cookie cutter thing. That's a red flag to me,

Well, you know. And it goes back to, we are not a one size. It's all society. As much as the fashion industry would like for you to believe we have to customize, right? We have to be open to understanding that we're all a laboratory of one. Okay? And what is a good session, a number of sessions

for one particular person. It may not be that for you, you have people coming in in all different stages of their healing process or their healing journeys, right? And you do have those people where you go, wow, you've got, you know, there's definitely something going on here. And I always say, let's

start with three let's see where we are after three sessions. And for me, I think anybody can be go, oh, it's only three sessions, right? I can do this. I can do three weekly sessions, but I always find there's a transition between that and where people, you know what I think, and see where I go from

there, because it seems as though they really stop to people different through the third session, and they kind of go another one, or maybe I want to right then the other thing is, some people cannot tolerate weekly sessions, and most people can, but some people can't. So it's like every couple of weeks

might be better for them, or every 10 days might be better for them, and I think part of that has to do with where they are emotionally, where they are mentally, you know, maybe, you know, there's other worries that they're that they're considering, but I usually again, fine after they've had

Three or four sessions, they're like, going, you know what I want to come back next week. Or we decide, you know, or I will make the recommendation and say, you know, I think, I think you need to be looking at about five or six sessions. And this is why, you know, and a lot of it is based upon who sent them to

me, if they were a referral, and why they were being referred, and what my experience has shown me as to for that particular issue that's going on, how many sessions they need to have and but mostly I think, You know, I I think that people are open to looking at one, two, and possibly that third, and, and

then they usually then are open to doing more than that. So I don't you know it's like, yeah, I would be a big red flag for me to say you're going to need 10 weekly sessions, because I think we have to see how people respond to the first one the second one, you know. And sometimes people will surprise

you and do really well with three or four sessions, you know. And then they'll be back, right? And then they'll be back for maintenance or monthly, you know, I have people who only want to come in and do it when they're fasting. I have people who are just totally committed to once a month. This is just

part of their you know, I get a facial once a month. I get a pedicure once a month, and I'm getting my teeth cleaned, you know, twice a year, and I'm getting a colonic once a month, and I fall into that camp. That's me, yeah, you know, yeah, exactly, because it's just part of normal hygiene and care, and

it's an, it's a non negotiable part of my self care. Obviously, I've been doing it for decades and decades,

but I mean people who aren't sick, who are doing this for their health, that's what they're doing it for.

And it's a proactive strategy. After you clear it all out, it is a proactive, preventative self care strategy. But I it really resonated with me what you were saying about giving yourself permission to release on your terms. And the people that have are going through a trauma, a

death, maybe abuse, a stressful situation at work, a disease state, whatever it might be, where there is trauma in your life, you have to be holding that with care, and be working with a practitioner who's also intuitively holding that with care and and to know when you're ready and that it's okay and we

don't have to push. That's something that you do so beautifully in the session, is it's not about pushing, it's about allowing.

Yes, yes, holding space with each other. You know, sacred space. We talk about that all the time, right? Holding that sacred space for one another. You know when you're ready to release. You know how much you want to release, and the caring and the empathy that goes on with that, you know,

there's, yeah, it's like, sometimes I just go and this is why we call it colon hydrotherapy. It's the therapy part, you know?

I mean, I started doing it. I was in a spiritual community, and I was introduced. I had my first colonic in New Zealand, many, many years ago, in my very early 20s. I it was an incredible experience, and I've never looked back. It was amazing. But I didn't, you know, I wasn't able to really let the

practice in in the nuanced way that I am now, you know, it was very much a physiological thing. I wanted to be really healthy and all the things. And now that I'm in my 50s and many, many years later, I really see it as a spiritual

practice. Yes, yeah, yes. It gives you an opportunity to let go, you know, and I think because of that, it's lightning to your you know, it lightens up your spirit. It lies, lightens up your essence. You know, it clears. It helps you to clear through things. And once you can feel things more

clearly, you begin to see things more clearly. You be the thoughts come more more clearly and intuitively as well. You know,

I want to, I want to ask you about the benefits of an ongoing, you know, the longevity of the practice and what you see with clients, because we are dealing with a muscle, yes, this big, long muscle, and the muscularity and the peristalsis of that muscle in a colonic, you are training

that muscle,

you're retraining it. Yes, for people who have had plasticity, because they have been able to eliminate properly, you know the there, there are, you know, a number of different kinds of conditions that you know cause the muscle to become flaccid. You know, maybe their core, you know, isn't holding

helping to hold that the area of their body in tone, right? And maybe because they haven't exercised the ability to eliminate multiple times a day, at least twice a day. We we like to say, for as many times as you eat with things going on, you ought to be looking at at least a couple of bowel movements a

day, if not it, you know one, it. You know one, definitely, and two is optimal, right? They say,

I mean, I eat, and then maybe 30 minutes later I poop,

we'll see. And that's optimal as well. It's like, if you eat, you poop, you know it because you are stimulating that peristalsis, which is that muscular contraction that starts the moment you put something in your mouth and start chewing. It's just a reflex action that these

muscles begin to start moving. Well, if we don't pay attention to that and eliminate when we need to, then what we're doing is we're we're stopping that normal process, and so that muscle becomes flaccid. So when you're doing colon hydrotherapy, it gives you an opportunity to exercise that muscle, which is

why people go, Wow, I just feel like, you know, I'm a little bit, I kind of feel a little bit sore because you've stimulated that muscle, you know, to act and to work. You know, just like when we go to the gym and we do squats and lunges, you know, it's like our muscles get a little bit sore because we've

stimulated that level of exercise, so you can retrain the body. I mean, I know I've worked with people. I had this one gal, for instance, who came in and she looked like she was like, five months pregnant. She hadn't had a bowel movement, like she couldn't remember. She was thinking, like, three weeks or

something like that, and and it was like, Well, how often were you releasing before this started happening? She said, I don't think I've ever had, you know, a daily bowel movement or anything like that. I worked with her for about three and a half months, to the point where she was having a bowel movement

every day, you know, and it's like, oh my gosh, this is, I mean, we were like crying and so excited because finally started to happen, you know. It's life changing. It's life changing. But she was being compliant along every you know, I told her, I said, sometimes it's two steps forward and one step back.

Those energy patterns are hard to change, those response patterns are hard to change. But once you're there and you realize, oh my gosh, I am going, you know? Yeah, it's, it's a great it's so incredible.

And we all we also don't recognize enough that all the plumbing in our body is connected. Wow. So if one part of the plumbing isn't working properly, then you're going to get recurrent UTIs, you're going to have pelvic floor issues. You're not going to be eliminating properly with the

rest of the plumbing in the house, right? If there's a blockage in one part of the house, it affects the rest of the house. You talked about the liver and the kidneys and the

rest, and especially for women as they get older as well. Yes, yeah, because we don't just lose collagen in the face, you know, we use lose collagen, you know, we get that wings, but we also lose it down here. And so unfortunately, and it's like, that's where normal, like

monthly, or every couple of weeks, that hygiene comes in. You want to make sure that area of your body is eliminating. You want to make sure that area your body is, you know, keeping a good flow to it, because it is what's going to help prevent more prolapse, you know, more urinary tract infections. You

know, those kinds of things. And when it comes to guys there for years, there was a urologist in town, for some reason, he made the connection that, you know, especially with his truck drivers. And you know guys who were, we called them, you know, the pop and fresh dough boys who were sitting at their desks all

the time with that amount of weight on their prostate all the time, was increasing their PSA levels. And he was just like, I want you to go see Catherine. I want you to go see, you know, this person, and start getting weekly colonics, and it would bring down their PSAs because they didn't have that pressure,

you know, on the cross state all the time, and it was like when he where he came from, or how he made that connection. I was just totally impressed,

you know, blown away.

60% of my clientele was male, and I was like, all these guys coming from, but he found me somewhere, you know, and started coming through. So it was like that. That was pretty amazing to me. I think he's since retired. I don't know where he's gone, but that made, that made a big impact on me,

because I didn't see that as an application, but it was like, Wow, that's pretty amazing. You know,

it is amazing. Is the word I want to ask you about replenishing probiotics after a session. For someone that says, Okay, we're going to flush the coal, and we're going to flush, you know, with with this water, this, this foreign, you know, entity, and it's going to disrupt, you know, what, the

balance of what's going on in there. So what are your recommendations for doing that after a session?

Well, first of all, we have to think about within the anatomy of the digestive system. Where do those probiotics get formed and where do they come from? It's in the small intestine, yes. So it's not in the Lacher. So when those probe and those probiotics are are there as a means to help us

digest and assimilate the the material that we're eating. Okay, that's why we have those microbiome and then those microbiome actually, through that process of assimilation, digestion and absorption, have a byproduct, and all that byproduct comes down for elimination into the colon. By

the time it gets into the lower colon, most of the microbiome is destroyed. It's just waiting to be eliminated. So unless we have a particular condition that warrants us needing to instill some bacteria. It's not something I necessarily worry about.

Okay, thank you, because there's so much misinformation about this. I didn't want to lead you there, because so often you'll go to centers and they'll be talking about how, oh, now you've got to they'll give you this solution that you have to drink, and then they try and sell you this

thing. And I think there's a lot of misconceptions about what the gut actually is. A lot of people think. The gut is the stomach.

First of all, antibiotic and probiotics, they're necessary, especially if you're taking medication or you've been ill, or, you know, you're in a place where your microbiome will get off. And a lot of that has to do with foreign travel, right? Because our microbiome is usually

developed within the environment that you live. So if I went to Africa, it would probably kill my stomach, and I would want a probiotic and a prebiotic and all of that to help my body, you know, to to, first of all, deal with bacteria that could be in the food and the environment that would impact me, because I

haven't developed the the right germs within my body to be able to digest the food or the contaminants that came in with it. Happens in Mexico all the time, right with the water there, right? So that then you were saying, yeah, you definitely need things that are going to help you grow your

normal bacteria and all that. But I'll tell you what, and I have a really great poster in my office that just shows the happy bacteria as it's coming through the small intestine and how it's going into the colon, and all real happy until it gets to the transverse colon, and then it's kind of like holding its nose

and starting to look around and going, Okay, it's time for us to you know, we can't. We're losing our energy and and those microbiome are dying by the time they need to be eliminated, right? So I think you're right. There's a misnomer out there as information infusing or installing or implanting right

after a colon hydrotherapy session, and

where I was going with it, and I wanted to just see what you were going to say without me inserting myself into it, is that that is often one of the reasons why some people will tell you not to do a colonic. And it's actually not accurate. And the other thing that that we also don't recognize a lot is

that, yes, whilst the small intestine is this huge site of absorption, and the villi and the small intestine has to be firing properly in order for us to absorb the nutrients from our food. Yeah, absolutely, there is still a bit of absorption that happens in the large intestine. Yes, and if it's not, if it's

not clean, then we don't do that. It doesn't happen the way it's supposed to,

no, and you're reabsorbing a lot of toxins, along with exactly right, yeah, and so, you know, so yeah, that's not Yeah. I tell, I tell my clients, you know, by mouth is the best way for you to get the mic, the micro to the bacteria that you need to develop your micro biome. It's

through the food that you're eating, the you know, the organic, good food that you're ingesting in your environment, right? You're not going to get good microbiome from processed food, right? We already know that if it's made in a plant, you're not going to get it, but if it's made out of a plant, you

are going to get it. And that's how we develop microbiomes. That's how we develop but and then the the probiotics just help to enhance the colonization of what we ought to have naturally within our body. And there's certain things that kill it. The things that kill it is denatured foods, medications,

illnesses, those types of stress, right? Stress, those types of things are what destroy our natural bodies, bacteria, you know, which is our one of our first line of defenses.

Anyway, yeah, and you talked before, when you were talking about enemas, you talked about coffee enemas, wheat grass infusions. What how do you feel about infusions during colon hydrotherapy sessions?

I feel good about them. I do. I usually wait until the end, right, because you want to, you want to open up those drainage channels, right? And then after your your body has eliminated quite a bit of the byproduct of digestion, a lot of the feces that's been in there. And then what I will do is, at

the end of that session, we will infuse whatever it is, whether it's coffee that they're needing at the time or and I also tell my clients, you want green coffee, right? And you don't dark roasted coffee, because Green Coffee is a lot more gentle on the system. Your body's going to tolerate it

better. And more is not necessarily, you know, sometimes less is more when it comes to it, what you can tolerate. You need to be able to hold it for at least 15 minutes. You know, that's the other thing too. So it's like, get rid of the stuff that's going to trigger your need to eliminate. And then do

your infusion right? Then do your wheat grass, then do whatever it is whether, whether it's bacteria that people are needing, because they've got some kind of a disease process going on in their colon where they need the bacteria in there to help them fight, you know, get their resistance up to fight

whatever it Is that's disrupting their colon. But usually it should not. A healthy colon should not need an infusion of bacteria, you know, up the other end, you know,

yeah, yeah. Because you do see, you know, a lot of, you know, really fancy clinics and stuff, they'll charge you a premium for this crazy infusion. And, you know, they may not have a licensed therapist who's really intuitive, like you, and so it all you get overwhelmed by, by a

really intense detox experience that may

not actually, yeah, it's just like, the upsell, anything else, you know, it's like, in any spot, right? It's like, yeah, you can get the the, you know, you can get a regular facial, but then you can get the one with all the serums, and you can get one, you know, you know, it's like, there's it. I just

sometimes think less is more, you know, yeah, thank you. And we have to be practical about it, you know, it's clinical application for me, as opposed to it being us, you know, necessarily something that we're looking at upselling in a, you know, in a shop, you know, yeah, you

certainly do live deliver a medical grade experience, for sure. It's, it's, it's very safe space with you, yeah? Oh, Cathy, I could talk to you about this all day long, right? Really, it's, it's just, it's just so needed for more people to understand the benefits of this practice,

because it's just so incredibly powerful. Thank you for how you show up in the world? I always close every episode with the same question, which is, when you have a dream in your heart and you don't feel like you have what it takes to make it happen, or within the context of this beautiful conversation with you,

when you're holding on to something and you need to release it feel like you can what would you say?

Well, yeah, I thought, in thinking about this, you know, it's holding, for me, it has to be about holding the space for me to allow for a taste of my own medicine. You know, is being a therapist and coaching people, I think, in helping them take a leap, you know, a faith or take that next

step along their path, helping them to release what they've been holding on to, that having that dream in your heart, you know, what would help propel me is to hold that space that that has to be a taste of my own medicine for me. You know, it's like, give yourself, you know, that chance to do that. There

was a a quote, and I was just, I was, I think I sent it the other day. It was like, Have you always known that you were going to be a healer? And it's like, yes, because this was a quote that I found, and it it inspired me so much. I took a picture of it, and I can't even tell you where I saw it may have been

just sitting on a table somewhere. It wasn't even on a wall, but it was like, Have you always known you were healer? And it was like, yes, because I kept falling in love with broken people, you know. And it's like, and then the quote went to say. Something like, let's see me think, if I can think of it real

clearly now,

why are you alone? Why are you alone? And it's like, because I'm broken too, and I have to find an opportunity to have a taste of my own medicine, you know. And it's like, why are you alone? Because I need to have a taste of my own medicine, you know.

So thank you for sending that to me, because it really resonated with me, and it's so beautiful. Have the courage to live with the consequences of your intuition and your own medicine. So beautiful.

Yeah? Oh, thank you. Thank you for this opportunity just to talk about something that's been a passion for me for a long time. I love the work that you do. I have loved you all of the different ways that you have coached people on their journey to health, and then this beautiful

program that you've put together, this podcast, I know it reaches a lot of people, and it's educational, and it's impactful, and it's beautiful, the work that you are doing. Tess, you know, it's like, it's, it's all integrated, it's all fun. And we need more of us out there doing this work, you know,

and getting these messages out, right? Right.

Thank you. Thank you. I'm so glad that we are in the world together. And I

love it. I love it. And for being able just to talk about my you know, my work, you know, because you when people come in, you're always there talking about them. No one. It's not very often that people ask you about your history, how'd you get there? And all of these other just beautiful, this

beautiful conversation that we've just had. It's lovely. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it, for sure, and I hope I see you the next time you find your way to the United States. Oh, you better

believe I'll be there. Of course, I wouldn't miss

it for the world. Yes, lots of love. Love me, Okay? Love you, too.