Christopher Zook, Founder, Chairman and CIO of CAZ Investments joins us for fascinating and thought-provoking conversation on the outlook for the economy and the investment opportunities in current markets. Christopher explains why he thinks the risk-reward is so poor in public equity markets at the moment and why investors are being offered poor prospective returns for the risk. We discuss private markets and the areas where CAZ is focused on allocating capital, particularly sports franchises and GP stakes. We also discuss some of the potential challenges in private markets as consumer and real estate debt is refinanced in the coming years. We delve into what Christopher and his team look for when selecting managers and partners, and the questions they ask to help unearth the next thematic opportunity. We wrap up by discussing the big influences on Christopher’s career and his key learnings from over three decades in the industry.
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Episode TimeStamps:
02:51 - Introduction to Christopher Zook
05:11 - Zook's current view on the markets and economy
09:06 - The outlook for real estate
12:48 - Stagflation and the impact of AI
16:29 - Parallels to the .com bubble?
18:45 - Options trading - a key driver of short term
21:35 - Building portfolios for the current environment
25:44 - Inflation, stocks and pricing power
28:14 - Opportunities in markets
30:50 - Investing in sports teams
38:54 - GP stakes and the asset management industry
45:40 - Bad actors in the industry
49:44 - 50 shades of risk
54:25 - Finding the right people to work with
57:40 - Lessons learned
59:17 - Finding the next big thing
01:02:49 - Working with Tony Robbins
01:04:30 - Advice for new investors
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