In this episode, Jeff sits down with the remarkable Darian for an enlightening conversation that takes us on a journey through familial bonds, childhood trauma, and the intriguing mysteries of small-town life. Join us as we dive into topics ranging from mental health, self-talk, and ADHD to hot gossip, drunken brawls, and the allure of confrontation.

Episode Highlights:

• Family Ties: Jeff and Darian open up about their own familial connections and how they've shaped their lives, leading to a candid exploration of recovery from childhood trauma.
• Small-Town Chronicles: Get ready for some juicy gossip from the heart of small-town living as our hosts reminisce about the scandals and stories of yesteryears.
• The Art of Confrontation: Why do men like to fight? This age-old question sparks a fascinating discussion about the psychology of conflict and its consequences.
• Sorority Life: Darian shares her unique experiences of living in a sorority with 50 women, shedding light on the camaraderie, challenges, and enduring bonds formed in these close-knit communities.
• Procrastinate with Purpose: Discover the secrets to productive procrastination and how it can actually benefit your creative process.
• Inner Critics and Imposter Syndrome.
• Mental Health Matters: From mental health counseling to therapy and self-help, we explore the various avenues for personal growth and healing.
• Unraveling Conspiracies: The conversation takes a twist as they discuss conspiracies, cover-ups, and corruption, sparking thoughts on the hidden truths that lurk in the shadows.
• Hood-to-Coast Adventures: Darian's incredible journey running Hood-to-Coast, a 200-mile relay race, in scorching heat, reveals the highs, lows, and unexpected bathroom emergencies of long-distance running.
• From Runners to Football Players.
• Nightlife in Ocean Park.
• Mentors and Lifelong Learning.

Join Jeff and Darian as they navigate the twists and turns of this captivating conversation, offering insights, laughter, and the trademark camaraderie that defines Ramble by the River.

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[00:00:04] Jeff Nesbitt: Hello, and welcome to another exciting episode of ramble by the river. I'm your host, Jeff Nesbit. And we've got a great show for you today.

[00:01:00] I haven't been really paying attention to the fire season. Is it going full bore right now? How many fires we got going in Oregon and California? Probably a lot.

[00:03:03] You feel it when you're there, you feel the energy, it's just a certain vibe. The streets are huge. They really. That pumping out the vibes. And you could feel it. And it's good.

[00:03:49] And when you're in the desert, that's just not something you have to worry about. I mean, Scorpion's sure. You will have to worry about scorpions. But you don't have to worry about swamp ass. And that's just awesome. It's just, it's the dry heat. I know people joke about it, but it's the truth. It's really that dry heat. That's more bearable. It feels good, actually. It feels like it's just like. Desiccating, you just sucking out all that moisture. Just removing that moisture, like some kind of a. Silica gel pad. Like nature's silica gel pad that you just. Cling onto and just sucks. You dry. And I liked the way that that feels.

[00:04:41] So, let this be a lesson to you. Don't.

[00:04:52] But I digress.

[00:07:07] The way the Hunt's worked down there. At least the one we went to, we paid an outfitter and we went to their private ranch, which is like hundreds of acres. It was huge. Just through the rolling Hills out there in Southern California.

[00:08:06] American Southwest.

[00:09:30] So part of the. Stipulations in the contract. It said that if you shoot an animal and you hit it and it runs away, that's your animal that counts as your harvest and you don't get another one. So I was nervous. I was like, oh fuck, I hope I didn't hit this thing. And there was no blood spot. The pig was just like walking off and it was, it was fine. We chased it for a little bit, but it went down in the brush and we never did find it again. It wasn't hit. Thank God. So I still had another chance. Which is cool. . So we get back into side by side and we start cruising on down the gut. And trying to find the next one. We come to a nice spot. Where we see a group of pigs. And there's this big fat one big pig. Laying in a mud hole, Jess Walden went around like a pig would just picture a big fat fucking pig. Just fat fucking pig. Picture it.

[00:10:35] That's what it was. And it was amazing. And I'm like, Ooh, that looks tasty. When mine put my mouth all over that. When mine getting that up in me. So I pulled out the gun and I loaded one in the chamber and I set myself up on this little monopod. They had. And.

[00:10:59] That pig died. In bliss. It never felt a bit of pain. It just stopped. I mean, just lay in there. Just stopped wallowing in the mud. It just stopped wallowing all of a sudden. It went straight from happy wallow to heaven, no pain in between. It was a perfect shot from a master hunter.

[00:11:29] But lo and behold, we got the pig. And the guide was like, all right, that one will be fine. There. Let's go get your boys pig. So we left that big fat pig there laying there. Bleeding out in the mud. I mean, it was already dead. I brained it. It. Died immediately. That's actually what the guide said. Um, I let the shot off and I heard him go. Woo. You're brain dead.

[00:11:58] It's nice to get approval. From people who are like good at what they do and you're new at it, it feels great.

[00:12:11] So it feels good when I get a little recognition for. Being a beginner who's successful. I don't know.

[00:12:37] We're rolling on through the desert, looking for more pigs and up in the distance. I can spot these two black spots on the hillside. That to me, they look like bears from far away because I'm a Pacific Northwest boy, you know, me. I see two black spots on the hillside. I see. Bear. looked over at Sawyer and he had also noticed them. So we were like, Hey guys, are those pigs up there on the hillside? So they start cruising over that direction. And as we look over the hillside, there's a big group of them just down there in the gut, around by the water and the plants, it looked like a family or something.

[00:13:48] So I'm thinking, fuck, this thing is coming at us. And luckily I didn't throw any rocks at it. This guy's getting, you know, pig attacked. I don't know how they primarily do it. I know every animal's got their own attack methods. Like, I know a vulture is going to pick out your eyes. A bear is going to eat you alive as first. I don't know how a pig does it. But, um, I didn't really want to stick around to find out. So I say, Hey guy, Is this pig, something to be concerned about. And he says, oh no, don't worry about it. It's nothing. And, um, this thing just keeps on trotting on at us and it didn't look crazy . It wasn't like aggressively charging. It looked more like somebody who had just been pushed to the limit, like the it guy at your office who is just. So tired of being made fun of, and the popular guy at, you know, at the cafe, he's like, oh, you, Hey, Timmy, whatever, but you know, making fun of Timmy for you live with your mom and you probably watch a lot of porn. And then Timmy, which obviously Timmy does, he hasn't had a woman forever. And, uh, but that doesn't mean you have to call them out on it in front of all your coworkers. And so now Tim, he's got his tray and he's got his little sandwich and he's walking across the lunch room. He's not charging at that guy who made fun of him. He's not charging at him to, you know, do whatever he's going to do. It's not like, you know, he's charging the mound in a baseball game after he could just took a pitch or something. He's, he's slowly steaming and he's walking over there and getting them mother fuckers. I can figure out what they think. They're so funny. I don't think, oh, you throw some rocks at me. Talking about my porn and I'm living with my mom and mother fuckers. You know what I'm talking under his breath. And when he gets over there by, by him, he hits that motherfucker right in the head with his lunch tray. And nobody saw coming. But maybe they should have. So I'm watching this little pig trot, along a trail coming over at us. And I can sense this vibe. He's pissed. He's a pissed hog and he's coming to take revenge. Sorry, it gets a shot set up. These pigs are on the move and I hear the guides say, take it and. No sooner as he has said the words I hear that fucking gun go off and I see that pig drop. This pig was on the move, working across our visual field from right to left and Sawyer hit it on the run, but I am blew out his brainstem. Instant death dropped it immediately. No pain.

[00:16:12] We are two for two on these perfect kills also. No wasted meat. So these are headshots. I don't know about you, but I don't want to eat a pig head, especially not one like this. These were ugly. Motherfucking pigs.

[00:18:17] I don't think they're dangerous since they are so small . but they do have little tiny pinchers, which are kind of cool. Anyway.

[00:18:26] That scorpion came out of nowhere. Sawyer. It was just, you know, had his back to it. And it came up at him and I was like, soy. look out. And he jumped up and ran. I said the water bullet bottle on it. I cleaned up the tent and, oh, by the way, when we rolled up the tent, There was like 20 frogs and big ass bugs and all kinds of stuff. Organisms underneath our tent in between like the tent fabric in the concrete. I think we're keeping them cool. But it was a little weird. I was like, no wonder we couldn't sleep. It was so fucking loud. This damn crickets are under our head. And they were huge crickets, not your normal standard crickets. Big.

[00:20:02] Took the. Pigs up to Matt's meats out there and Longview. Dropped it off and had him cut it up and smoke some of it. So we got like seven smoked hams, a ton of pork chops, a ton of sausage. Really good stuff. Some shoulder roast, I'm going to be making pulled pork. Ribs, all kinds of shit. And we've been eating it. Benito, ain't giving it out. It's really fun. So. That was a bucket list item for me. I've always wanted to do that since I heard about these. Hogs that are just ravaging the countryside. These invasive hogs. And we all got to do our part. Yeah. We all got to do our part. So I took care of a couple of them. And it felt good. And it tasted good. I ate some for breakfast this morning, some sausage. And I loved it.

[00:21:00] This is coming to us from Reuters.

[00:21:15] hacking group names, scattered spider brought down the systems of the $14 billion gaming giant MGM resorts international this week. Several MGM systems remain paralyzed for a third straight day after it said on Monday that it had shut down some of them to contain a cybersecurity issue. The company which operates over 30 hotel and gaming venues around the world,

[00:21:40] A Bloomberg report said separately that another casino operator Caesar's entertainment had been hacked and paid ransom to hackers who threatened to leak its data in recent weeks.

[00:22:23] Casinos around the world should be on heightened alert because ransomware groups love it when they get this kind of attention. So we will likely see copycats. . MGM resorts website was currently unavailable according to a holding message posted to the group's homepage. Our investigation is ongoing and we are working diligently to determine the nature and scope of the matter. MGM said in a post, on social media on Monday.

[00:22:50] Not for me, but for people with money.

[00:22:56] In other news.

[00:23:05] This one is called Biden's impeachment inquiry. What to know about the case. Did you even know that there was an impeachment inquiry going on with Biden? I bet you didn't. There's lot of news organizations that are just conveniently not covering that. September 13th. Republicans in the us house of representatives have opened an impeachment inquiry into democratic president Joe Biden. After months of investigations into his son, hunter Biden's foreign business dealings. they have not yet found any evidence of misconduct by Biden himself. The white house says Biden has done nothing wrong. And Republicans have no basis for an impeachment inquiry. Following as some of the evidence that has come to light. Hunter's businesses.

[00:24:27] Archer said those conversations did not involve any business dealings. And he was not aware of any wrongdoing by the elder Biden. Republicans have pointed to an FBI document from 2020 in which an informant claims that head of Barisma a Ukrainian company that included hunter Biden on its board of directors. Said it costs 5 million to pay one Biden and 5 million to pay another Biden. According to representative Jamie Raskin, the top Democrat on the oversight committee. The FBI dropped the matter after determining there was no evidence to back it up.

[00:25:04] told the panel that nobody from company had contact with Biden. Or his staff and that the elder Biden did not help the firm. Archer told the committee. That he was not aware of any such payments. Another hunter Biden associate Eric Shoren. Also told the panel that he was not aware of any financial involvement by Joe Biden in his relatives business. Republicans on the oversight committee also say that they have records of $20 million in payments from foreign sources to Biden family members and their business associates. Oh, that's not good. A Washington post fact check found that $7 million of that money. Went to Biden family members. Most of it to hunter and none went to Joe Biden.

[00:25:53] While serving as vice president Biden, pressured Ukraine to remove its top prosecutor, Victor Shogun. That reflected the official policy of the democratic president, Barack Obama's administration. Which had concluded that Shoken was not doing enough to fight corruption. The European union and the international monetary foundation also backed shoguns removal on those grounds. Republicans have claimed that he did that to protect Barisma and hunter Biden from possible corruption investigations. Us foreign policy officials have testified that hunter Biden's role with Barisma did not influence the government's decision to seek. Shoguns ouster. Government records released by the house Democrats show that us officials criticized jokin for not bringing corruption charges against Barisma. At 2020 investigation by Senate Republicans found that us diplomats viewed hunter Biden's involvement with Barisma as very awkward. While they were pushing an anti-corruption agenda. The investigation found no evidence of wrongdoing by the then vice-president. Hunter's prosecution. Uh, hunter Biden, who has struggled with drug and alcohol addiction. Has been under federal investigation since 2019. A proposed agreement that would have had him plead guilty to tax. And firearm charges was rejected by a judge in July and us special prosecutor. David Wise has said that he intends to file new charges by the end of the month. An IRS agent told the oversight committee that the justice department repeatedly stonewalled the probe. But Weiss, a Trump appointee who has led the investigation has said that the justice department has not interfered. Us attorney general merit Garland elevated wise to special counsel in August to give him more authority and independence. A former FBI agent who worked on the probe, told the oversight committee, he was not aware of any political interference in that case. Though. He said he was frustrated by a decision by higher-ups to block an interview with hunter Biden in December, 2020. Shortly after Biden won the presidency.

[00:28:15] There's nothing we can do about it. So. There you have it.

[00:28:22] My guest today is a local kid graduated from Ilwaco High School, went out and got her education at WSU, and then decided to grace us with her presence.

[00:28:56] Right after a brief message from our sponsor

[00:30:08] Darian Sheldon: See if I don't get too annoyed with my voice.

[00:31:04] Darian Sheldon: I hate listening to myself

[00:31:14] Darian Sheldon: I think I just, I don't like listening to myself talk.

[00:31:26] Jeff Nesbitt: about what you... Yeah, well that's because you've been to meetings. So you know that when somebody else is leading, you're just like, God, get to the point. Stop talking.

[00:31:41] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. Pull that, point that right at your mouth, and then pull it up just a little bit. This

[00:31:47] Jeff Nesbitt: Perfect. Sounds better. But yeah, the meeting thing, you get some people who just like to go to meetings because that's an opportunity for them to...

[00:32:12] Darian Sheldon: Oh yeah. And it usually, I'm the one that has to organize them.

[00:32:16] Jeff Nesbitt: so. You like that stuff?

[00:32:43] pull a rabbit out of your hat and do spirit fingers just to. Keep people on

[00:32:54] Darian Sheldon: Oh, no. No. You just kind of have to figure it out. Go to a couple meetings, be like, Okay, what, how, how can I make this a place where I wouldn't want to leave?

[00:33:06] Jeff Nesbitt: That's actually, that's a great way to do it. Set out cookies, serve coffee. Oh, yeah. I go with, uh, because I always feel like that's, that's not an achievable goal. I'm not, I'm not going to make it a pleasant place to be. Yeah. It is a meeting. But I can at least do it as fast and efficiently as possible.

[00:33:41] And if you say that ahead of time, people are better, but it's still not

[00:33:46] Jeff Nesbitt: book. Yeah, it's, it's a long book.

[00:34:03] Jeff Nesbitt: And if you're trying to prep for a meeting during that time, especially if it's time you need, like if somebody comes to your meeting place early, like 25 minutes early, it's like, that's too early, that's a rude amount early.

[00:34:17] Darian Sheldon: Yeah, so, for sure. Well, then I need to watch you do some meetings then.

[00:34:37] Darian Sheldon: I'll just start tuning in

[00:34:40] I don't want a crowd. They're not fun, they're boring, I'm not, they're not supposed to be entertaining, but um, they're required by law, so. Nice. They gotta happen.

[00:34:56] That you messaged me because we're family. I know. And I'm like, I have no idea really how or why or, and I, I was super excited to be able to talk with you and to learn about

[00:35:19] People talk about you and I'm always like, Darian. I think she's my cousin. Like, we don't, I don't know if I've ever had like a family get together. No. We are both at the same thing. I don't know, but I'm pretty damn sure she's my cousin. And everyone always has all these glowing, nice things to say about you.

[00:35:37] Darian Sheldon: my dad. I have a picture of your dad to give to you. Wow. Yeah, when we were doing um... Uh, my grandpa Les service, getting, you know, he didn't want a service, so what did we have? Food and some beers. And um, but my grandma wanted to do some photo, like a little photo collage, and we found so many pictures of your dad, and I was like...

[00:36:05] Jeff Nesbitt: They were very close. Yeah,

[00:36:20] Yeah,

[00:36:23] Darian Sheldon: Yeah, he does. But that one I guess was at a sand dunes trip, so I guess my um, My grandma and, my grandma Ginger and my grandpa Les, when they were married, they would take the boys to, um, Sandy, Oregon? I think it's Sandy, Oregon. And they would take, uh, their, their four wheelers and quads and your dad with them all the time.

[00:36:54] Jeff Nesbitt: about, so. That's cool. Yeah, there was a picture on our wall as a kid that was, uh, I think it was my dad in that shirt riding a three wheeler. Yeah, they had three they were too dangerous, but, and I was like, oh, that looks like a fun place and I never really knew the story behind it.

[00:37:31] But he was always really cool. He used to do this thing, at the time I didn't know it was because we were annoying him, at the time I thought it was because he was just like a I'm a magical man, but he always had a handful of change and he would just take it and just chuck it in the yard. Like, alright, go find the, round up those nickels, scrounge up the nickels, um, and then he could sit and visit with my dad.

[00:37:57] Darian Sheldon: He's rich. Yeah. Super rich. Uncle Les, just super rich. That's like, um. Did, uh, your siblings and you ever do this growing up where you would do the 52 card pickup thing? Yeah. My brother would Only once.

[00:38:11] Jeff Nesbitt: God. I only got fooled by that one time. Like, that's not a game. That's a trick. Yeah.

[00:38:25] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, but really he would be my Great Uncle. Great Uncle. Yeah. And so Let's figure out what we actually are.

[00:38:34] Jeff Nesbitt: are we?

[00:38:50] Darian Sheldon: solve it. You know what? Yeah, I did, but I didn't look super into it, so, um, I think it's a funny thing.

[00:39:23] So as a joke, they got me 23 and me to see if I was like abducted, um, at birth. No,

[00:39:32] Darian Sheldon: Yeah. On the outside, I guess. I guess they, they, they thought that I had my shit together or, um, the, the stories were too crazy. Yeah. That, so, so, yeah. Fortunately, unfortunately.

[00:39:48] Yeah. Where you're in a place where most of the people around you are just functional, normal. Yeah. Standard, regular humans, , and you tell them some of your stories from your past and they're like shocked. Mm-hmm. and sometimes appalled, but sometimes they think it's funny. I used to love those moments. I would think they were really fun.

[00:40:26] You'll run outta ways to react to their reactions. Mm-hmm. . Um, and, uh, honestly, the, the stuff is, uh, I just gotta write it down or put it in a movie or something, let it, let it, cause now I have all these new, normal, you know, boring stories about regular, non traumatic life, and uh, I need to have time and space to tell those stories, so you know what I mean, like, um, did you ever, is there ever a time when it like, got, do you consider it, is it baggage, do you carry it as baggage, or is it like a helium balloon that you carry around with you that's uplifting?

[00:41:34] I'm so proud, yeah, so proud of it. So I've added different, I feel like I'm on the opposite, where, where growing up it's like, oh my god, no, I'm not going to tell anybody about this, or you didn't even realize that it was different. And you would, if your friends knew. Some of the stuff going on, I would die.

[00:41:57] Jeff Nesbitt: Even locally here, or your friends in college? Even here, you were able to hide your dark side. Your dark truth from locals in this small little

[00:42:21] And may, and maybe it's, it was my rose colored glasses I had on, or I thought I was really camouflaging a lot better than I actually was. Um, Um, that kind of like narcissistic thought of, oh, I'm fooling them all. That is a good thought. That is a good thought. And so, so, um, yeah, and now, and now when I tell stories, I'm like, yeah, no, it's funny.

[00:43:10] Jeff Nesbitt: would. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's probably a very valuable skill in any line of work really, but especially if you're trying to help people.

[00:43:23] Darian Sheldon: have it. We have a, um, so Well, I, Holman Road, have you ever heard about Holman Road? No. Okay, it's um, so it's a road in Seaview and it's pretty kind of notorious. Wait, what road? Holman Road. Holman Road? H O L M A N. Holman.

[00:43:48] I'm a roads guy. Yeah, I know. I should know all these roads. Well, must be in city limits.

[00:43:59] Jeff Nesbitt: go on with yours. Oh, I know. Yeah, 30th Street. Yeah. There's like a trailer park at the one end of it. Yep. Okay. Black Lake at the other.

[00:44:33] Jeff Nesbitt: It's got a wide shoulder. Oh,

[00:44:46] The old, old style looking house? Super old style looking house, with any just collected, uh... Cars. Mm. Like old cars would fix 'em up. It was, it, it was stomping grounds for some very colorful people, as you might. He was a colorful guy. And, um, my grandma that, my grandma had, uh, my grandma Beverly, who actually lived in Chinook, she was married to him for a while and had my Uncle Gideon.

[00:45:23] Jeff Nesbitt: gotta figure out what that means. I

[00:45:27] Jeff Nesbitt: Removed? I don't know. Wait, does that mean like divorced out of... Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, Ginger was my dad's grand... Or my dad's aunt? And then... Yeah, Aunt Ginger. And then they got divorced.

[00:45:49] Darian Sheldon: No, removed is divorced. Removed means divorced. You're sure? I question a lot of things, but I think I got that one right.

[00:45:57] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't, I don't think it is. I think it's something else. I'm going to make myself look like an idiot, but so I'm just going to let it go. All right. We'll

[00:46:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Did the cars ever move, or were they stationary junk cars?

[00:46:58] Darian Sheldon: think I ever saw a working car,

[00:47:20] There's nothing better. It's a lot of fun.

[00:47:26] And, uh, you would just, I don't know, climb through weird, really hazardous things and make it a fort. Yeah. It's

[00:47:39] Darian Sheldon: So I tell the story about, I tell stories about just, uh, growing up on Home and Road and being a feral little kid and my uncle. Um, making us this crazy zipline that he built like this platform.

[00:48:21] Jeff Nesbitt: Not into a lake? No, no, no, no. A

[00:48:49] I'm probably like four years old on this zip line and My uncle's yelling, put your feet out, put your feet out to catch you because I so that you don't smack into the tree. And I'm telling my co workers this like, Oh, yeah, we had this crazy zip line growing up. And they're like, Darian, what is wrong? What the hell?

[00:49:12] Jeff Nesbitt: did you Put your feet out. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. So you, you were all good. Everything fine? Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm fine. So is this kind you hold onto? Yeah. You didn't even have like a harness carrying you. Oh,

[00:49:29] Jeff Nesbitt: your like the ski lift type Yeah, exactly.

[00:49:33] Darian Sheldon: at all. . No. And then, you know, and just like the cast of characters that, that would be there and, um, They all have their stories and, and, uh, It just wasn't a place for a kid, but it was the most magical place for a kid.

[00:49:53] Completely. That's kind of how my dad's shop felt when I was a kid. Just like, it's an adult world, but the fact that we got to be there, was special. It's like, you know, playing adult games. Using adult tools to make kid projects. Um, that kind of thing. Have an adult relationships, really, like hanging out with my dad's friends.

[00:50:17] Jeff Nesbitt: I really did. Yeah. I really did. They taught me a ton, um, the ones that I could understand. Yeah. Some of them were drunk. That's all right. But, um, yeah. I was just, oh yeah, I remember the first time I met you, actually. Um, it was at Costco, and uh, Ginger was pushing you in a shopping cart.

[00:51:08] Oh, I'm sure. And, um, then I don't think I saw you again until probably middle school or high school? Like, that may have been it, honestly. Yeah. I'll just see you around after that, but, um. Yeah, it's nice to officially meet you as an adult. I know. Yeah, nice to meet you, Geoff. It's cool. I'm really glad that you've been able to find some success and some peace in this world.

[00:51:32] Darian Sheldon: likewise. No, I really enjoy listening to you and it's funny when people mention your podcast, I'm like, hmm, that's my cousin. Yeah, he's pretty cool.

[00:51:51] Yeah. And then somebody's like, Jeff said you were his cousin. And then you're like, what? What a weird guy. No. But yeah.

[00:52:15] You know, that was actually a discussion that Kenneth and I had to have when we first got together.

[00:52:22] Darian Sheldon: Yeah. We have to kind of, but you know the Sheldons, they don't cross Cranberry Road. My grandma and, uh, my grandpa,

[00:52:40] Jeff Nesbitt: What about Les and Dorothy? They were up there on the north end. That's true. They had that spot out there by, uh, right by it in the Sheldon Neck of the woods. Don't view it.

[00:52:55] Yeah, probably. Yeah. No, um, uh, we, you know, the, the, when we started, Dating and, uh, I was talking to my grandma about Kenneth and the Sheldons and all that good stuff and she was like, oh well you know that Kenneth's grandma hated your great grandpa less, my great grandpa less, um, because, and I don't even know if that's really true.

[00:53:52] And, um, so we're, we're pretty much the Ocean Park Romeo and Juliet.

[00:54:04] Darian Sheldon: I know. Your dad was actually telling a story at, um, my, at Les get together and he was saying how, um, hoe they would get drunk and fight each other too Highschool, Willapa

[00:54:53] People will get it, what I'm talking about. You just get man strength. Your bones get harder. Like, it hurts more when you fall. It hurts more when you punch somebody, too. So, you cannot be just fighting with your friends unless you want to end up in jail or in the hospital. That's not a, that's not a pastime that lasts.

[00:55:31] Darian Sheldon: was he as jacked back

[00:55:37] He's just that guy. Yeah, just that strength Also, he kept working out even through his troubles. He's that's been like his main thing. He goes back to he keeps working. That's awesome Yeah, I just saw him a week or so ago and he's freaking huge Yeah.

[00:55:55] Jeff Nesbitt: drunken brawl?

[00:56:18] And I put the song, uh, Radar Love. Um, I've been driving all night, my hands wet on the wheel. You know that one? I didn't put it high enough on the list. And, uh, Geoff... How dare you? Them's fighting words. Yeah. Geoff wanted to fight me and we got up and we fought, uh, at least a couple times that night. And, um...

[00:56:42] Darian Sheldon: And I'm sure you guys, it was like nothing happened. You guys said...

[00:57:00] It just takes a little something to go over the line or something to happen and you can just feel it just switch in a second. That same, uh, I don't think it was the same night, but that same collection of nights, that run of nights at my friend's house where we were drinking Mike's Hard and just talking too much about music.

[00:57:41] It was ruined, and we all ended up having to talk to lawyers and stuff. It lasted a long time, maybe even a year. Yeah, the parents had to get involved because he had like substantial dental bills, like he broke out most of his teeth, and so he's just like Okay. Party fell. Yeah, and so then the parents of both, because we were 17, so the parents of both kids were involved and we had to go like make statements and go to court.

[00:58:14] Darian Sheldon: I'm so glad that you figured that

[00:58:25] Darian Sheldon: Just... Terrible. And then if you're drunk, you know, 'cause I, I was in the sorority, so Oh yeah.

[00:58:47] Jeff Nesbitt: house. I mean this is probably inappropriate, but I gotta ask. Do the cycles line up?

[00:58:57] Jeff Nesbitt: is...

[00:58:58] Darian Sheldon: that must be. Well, typically it's like, so how they have it set up, at least in my sorority that I was in, um, each room... So you have your day room where you have your stuff essentially and you share that with like three other girls, three or four other girls and so each room would sync up and then so then you're synced up with your roommates in a tiny combined, that tiny room.

[00:59:26] Jeff Nesbitt: this a bedroom, a bathroom, what kind of a space? It's like

[00:59:38] Jeff Nesbitt: Cuddle up girls, it's bedtime. Yeah, a little cuddle. No wonder guys

[00:59:48] Jeff Nesbitt: on the bed?

[00:59:53] Darian Sheldon: Kind of. I mean, when, when a girl got too drunk and too exiled to the, to the daybed, yeah, you usually had to, one of the, one of the roommates is like, all right, I'm gonna. Sleep On The Floor And Watch Tiffany So She Doesn't... Die? Yeah, Or, Or Lincoln... We had a Mystery Pee... Or Escape?

[01:00:32] Jeff Nesbitt: No dog. No cat around. No. Human sized puddle, so you know.

[01:00:43] How

[01:00:46] Darian Sheldon: That's pretty substantial. That's significant. Yeah, that's a pattern. Yeah. That's a pattern. And so, um, it was a real conundrum that we had to figure

[01:00:56] Darian Sheldon: so, um, we, yeah, so anyway, so if a girl, you know, they needed, they needed a friend to lay with them and usually they request it.

[01:01:29] The risk? Risk, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I was in charge of Did you volunteer for that? Um, trying to get a

[01:01:39] Darian Sheldon: huh? Yeah. My slogan was, let's, let's be risky.

[01:01:46] Darian Sheldon: Right, it was completely opposite of what I, yeah, what I was supposed to do, but, um, I was, I took that job very seriously, so I would go to, um, I would assign the super duty girls, and I would go to the frats before we would have like a mixer together, or, you know.

[01:02:07] Darian Sheldon: Exactly. Yeah. No, those were stand up gentlemen. I don't even want to spread that rumor. But, well, yeah,

[01:02:16] Darian Sheldon: I did my job. But we would go around and I would, I would, uh, basically tape off areas that I thought would open up risk, you know, like...

[01:02:26] Darian Sheldon: Right. Childproof it. Sorority girl proof it.

[01:02:29] Darian Sheldon: seats. Yeah. Exactly. Ensure that there was toilet paper in the bathroom. You know, just making sure that it's a comfortable place that you wouldn't mind having your daughter. Um. I don't want my daughter

[01:02:41] Darian Sheldon: to any of those places.

[01:03:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Clipboard out, writing down names. Right, and I... Sarah, I noticed you haven't gone to the bathroom yet. Been home for 40 minutes.

[01:03:30] Jeff Nesbitt: you, and... I bet that happens a lot. Yeah. Because people sleepwalk when they're in new situations or they're nervous or like in weird sleeping situations. Yeah. That triggers it. Well, we were

[01:03:55] Jeff Nesbitt: care of.

[01:04:04] Darian Sheldon: Spray her. Spray her with water. Spritz her. It was probably something of that matter or she had to, um, she had to apologize.

[01:04:18] Yeah, it was me. Or, yeah, it was the risk manager.

[01:04:46] Jeff Nesbitt: others.

[01:04:51] Darian Sheldon: Huge, huge. I think, um, one of my biggest goals in life is to raise a kid that's going to be a good roommate.

[01:05:02] Darian Sheldon: And just a good house partner.

[01:05:15] And then even beyond that you have to still do a lot of work and like care about the other person's experience and all that. But like you might. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do everything right and still hate living with somebody or hate being Someone might hate living with you even if you're doing everything right just because you different living styles.

[01:05:37] Darian Sheldon: easy Yeah, do you guys um? Do you guys do chores at your house? Is that a big thing? Yeah,

[01:05:51] Darian Sheldon: There are also

[01:05:53] Yeah, Melissa's coaching now, again, and so, um, we're just always on the go. So it's, it's generally cluttery in there, but it's not the kind of mess that bothers me, where it's like, Deep clean mess. Like, like years of dirt. That kind of stuff gets to me. But like, oh, there's some sweatshirts on the table and, you know, a, a stack of mail.

[01:06:28] But, um, I was gonna say the King of England, but I wouldn't trust him either. They're all pedophiles.

[01:06:37] Jeff Nesbitt: Uh, some are fancy. Somebody fancy's coming over. I could clean it in four hours. I could get it clean in four hours. And that's good enough. Good enough. What about you? Are you a clean freak?

[01:06:55] Um, I used to be super uptight about it, and the busier that Kenneth and I have gotten, the, maybe a little bit more relaxed, and maybe he would totally call bullshit on that. Um, but I do really like a tidy, a tidy before I go out of town. Oh yeah. Or before bed. I,

[01:07:23] Yeah. It like feels gross.

[01:07:33] Jeff Nesbitt: That's a, I mean, that's a pretty good style of procrastination. Yeah. Like productive procrastination where you're doing stuff that is not the thing but you're still getting stuff done so you feel good.

[01:08:03] Yeah. Uh, yeah, you just gotta pick up that fuel where you can. That's

[01:08:37] Then the day's over. It's 10 o'clock and, and I didn't even start on that main project that I was gonna do that I've been procrastinating for this whole time.

[01:09:12] Ugh, fuck that noise. That's when it gets hard. That's when it's easy to be like, I'll definitely do that later. Yeah. And then you start another new project. It's like, oh, just put that one on the pile.

[01:09:45] And, um, I, it takes me forever to actually start it. Oh yeah. And then once I'm doing it, I'm, I'm in the middle of it and I, I, it takes me like probably two hours. But it's, it's taken me probably a week to decide on what I wanted to do and how I was going to do it. Yeah. It's so

[01:10:28] All these things are Like, they feel different when you're doing them, and I, the ADHD thing, task initiation is such a huge obstacle sometimes for me, where it's just like, I really want to do this, I just don't. I have no reason not to, and it's almost like I'm afraid to give it my attention because I don't want to have blind spots, or like, um, I have too many things that I could be doing that all demand a reasonable amount of attention to do, and if I do none of them, I can just stand here and play defense for anyone who's coming at me like, uh, Hey, you didn't do that thing yet.

[01:11:25] And that's just, like, my motivator. Like, that's what I'll use to do things. And so, if there's people who are just, like, nice, um, or don't want to bother me, I will never help them. Because they will never hassle me into helping them. I don't want to be like that, but it is just, that's just how it goes. Like, if you have 20 things that I could do for 20 different people, I'm, well, first of all, the guy who yells at me, or insults me at all, he's automatically off the list.

[01:12:18] That's who I'm gonna help. That's the way I gotta be. That's,

[01:12:40] And I'm working on all of them, and then I get distracted, work on the next, and none of it's done. Yeah. None of it. Do you have deadlines for them? You know, yes, but I think the worst is I make deadlines for myself. I was just going to ask that, Nix. Yeah. Like I... No. No, I don't. But I'm, but I will tell you or tell myself, I'm going to get this done tonight, today.

[01:13:30] Jeff Nesbitt: That's very powerful. I did. Tell, tell the audience about what that is.

[01:13:36] Darian Sheldon: Yeah. So, it's, I actually started with, um, I, one of my New Year's resolutions probably from a couple years ago was to get into counseling and especially doing what I do for a living, it's super draining and you have to provide services for the people providing services.

[01:14:24] Jeff Nesbitt: Phyllis. How old is she?

[01:14:50] It's whatever expectation that you have for yourself, whatever, whatever identity that you're seeing That you should have, that mean girl in your head, um, name her, because then you can say, shut up, Linda. Did you

[01:15:11] Darian Sheldon: Linda. Yeah, and. Should've named her Phyllis. I didn't want to hurt her feelings.

[01:15:44] And it works, because then it, it just shows that, like, you don't have power over me, and you're super annoying, and that's, those are just thoughts, and if you put a name to it. Name her something, then she has no

[01:16:08] Never was.

[01:16:40] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Yeah. That's, that can, it cuts both ways, because sometimes that's a really great drive, and it really makes things out of your life. And other times it's just like fruitless effort that does nothing. But we live in a society where you kind of have to do that, like you kind of do have to prove that you, you have earned a seat at the table.

[01:17:05] Darian Sheldon: I don't. No. No. Do you, do you struggle with self talk a lot? Is that something that

[01:17:31] I don't understand why, why are we all here? Like whose idea was this? Like what information could you have not just, I don't get it. Um, and so. I always just feel like I'm just wanting to burst out of my skin when I'm sitting in those rooms. And I am, like, actively holding still. And I'm looking around at all these people, like, you guys are all so much better at pretending not to want to jump out of your skin.

[01:18:12] Um, and everyone else seems to think we have to do it and seems to enjoy it to some extent. Um, yeah, I don't know. It feels, it's a bit of imposter syndrome, I think. Oh, huge. She's like, uh, I don't know. Um, but over the years I've just kind of gotten over it and also so many people... People have come and gone in the time that I've been in the same position, and people who were in positions of authority are long gone, and new people have come to fill their place, and I've had to catch them up on what we do, and just like, just establishing myself in my position over the years, and realizing that everyone probably feels like that a little bit, except for narcissists and sociopaths, and they're the ones who are running everything.

[01:18:58] Darian Sheldon: Yeah. Better them than me. Yeah. Honestly. No, imposter syndrome is a huge thing. And, and I, I just started realizing too, as you, as you get older, you realize that like everyone's just doing the best they can. And most people, they're, they're just kind of going through the motions too.

[01:19:41] And now I take, I like being, I used to hate being the young one, like the youngest, youngest one in a group. Me too. Or youngest one like, uh, youngest adult in my career maybe. And now I love it. I, I was like, oh, I would be terrified if someone found out how old I was in the workforce.

[01:20:06] Right. And they'll, they'll act like you're not qualified just because you're 23 or whatever. Right.

[01:20:26] Or, I don't want them to know.

[01:20:52] Like, I thought, Because I had read whatever, or heard whoever speak, like, they know what they're talking about, so... But I didn't even realize I was just taking on other people's ideas. I thought I was, you know, curating. But no, it takes a long, long time to have your actual own opinions on adult life because if you haven't been an adult very long, you don't have very

[01:21:16] Right. And you think that you know everything. So, oh man, I knew everything. It's always so funny to think about the fights or the arguments that you would have with your parents or in my case, my grandma. Oh, she did not understand me at all, um, but yeah, I mean, now I, now I see it as an advantage and being able to ask questions, um, and maybe question why things are done because they've always been done that way.

[01:21:44] Jeff Nesbitt: um, do you, do you ask those questions? Oh, yeah, yeah. Do you get

[01:22:11] Like they feel like an imposter too. And so they don't want anybody to notice that maybe they don't quite understand the system. They don't quite understand. And so, um, I've got no, I've, sometimes I have shame, but I, I'm like, just so I can understand more, to understand this. More, can you explain why we do it that way?

[01:22:54] Jeff Nesbitt: but. I got some uncomfortable ones. .

[01:22:56] Darian Sheldon: I'm really interested. What are you, what are you, I guess, what are you reading? Just the... Because I don't read about this stuff, and I probably

[01:23:11] Uh, like bad low. Like, your chances of dying from COVID increase if you have the shot. That bad. Um, so I don't get, other than the financial incentives, I don't get. What the incentives now are to taking it at all. Like, it really makes no sense, let alone children, old people, maybe, but yeah, I don't know. The whole thing is very confusing to me, and it's it's gone so far past polite discourse that nobody can talk about it without getting shut down.

[01:24:15] What about this? What about this? We don't care, dude. We're fucking exhausted. Leave us alone. Um, and it's just like, It honestly broke me. I, I can't, I can't think about the world the same way that I could a few years ago. It just seems like, it, I, I feel like we are in a, a dangerous place as far as like...

[01:24:38] Darian Sheldon: Just being able to talk about those maybe hot topic. Yeah. Or hot button.

[01:24:54] And our government agencies have been captured. Our media has been captured and all by the same people. And they're letting out small bits of information that are very specific. Narratives and agendas. And it's really effective. Like, if you go talk to people in a grocery store, they have a general idea of, like, the Biden narrative of, this is how the world is right now, and, you know, we're in Ukraine, and we're working hard, you know, to win the war, and there's just, like, this story that is kind of, well, it's obviously not true, because it's just too easy and neatly packaged, but it's not even just, like, Untrue because of lies of omission.

[01:26:06] It's just complicated, um, and discouraging. It's just like, I want simple stuff that's actually true. I would like to see the world try to just be less full of shit.

[01:26:48] I want to know that I'm not wasting my time. I want to get, I want, my time's valuable. So I'm not going to waste my time with consuming information that isn't correct or isn't just here's the information by fact and doesn't have anybody else's. Um, so maybe that's why I haven't really delved into it. I was like, you tell me what to do.

[01:27:22] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. You want the future to be Yeah. So positive,

[01:27:30] Jeff Nesbitt: Whatever. Yeah. So what if we're the first generation to have a shorter lifespan than our parents?

[01:27:54] The what? Titer tests. I don't think so. So essentially, and super interesting, but essentially my, my, my family, uh, did it with, with their kids. And, um, you get your blood drawn, and you see what you're naturally Um, immune to, or what you already have antibodies for, and so, and a lot of times, if, like with vaccines and stuff, and, and again, I'm not a nurse, I have no idea, I, I have no doctor, whatever.

[01:28:50] Rambleriverpod. com. It's called a titer test. And so I'm interested, I definitely want to do it with my kids, when I have kids, to see what, because I'm, I'm about, I'm like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not against vaccines at all. But, but I'm also like, I don't want to pump things into my, my child if I don't have to.

[01:29:27] Darian Sheldon: They

[01:29:30] Darian Sheldon: watch. And I, and I just, I just think if, if I don't have to. Um, if they already have it, and that doesn't mean you take one titer test and you call it good and you don't check up, because maybe, you know, your antibodies do, you, they, they lessen and so your immunity to things lower, but um, yeah, it's really interesting to me and I had never known about that.

[01:29:58] Jeff Nesbitt: districts. It sounds like an opportunity. Especially if they can figure out a way to get, like, AI in there, where, like, you can You love your AI. I so do, but also, doesn't matter if anyone loves it, it's coming.

[01:30:34] They could take your blood, like you're saying, do this test and then run it through and say like, hey, in this region, your chances of these diseases are this level. So you beat the threshold for this one and this one. And then they tell you exactly what you need that's actually going to help. That would be cool.

[01:31:06] Robert Kennedy Jr. And he's been famous for a long time for his... Being such an outspoken critic of vaccinations and it's, I, I didn't even like pay any attention to him for many years because everyone just acted like he was crazy. It was a really, a really effective smear campaign actually. And, um, After listening to him speak a few times, I started reading his book and realizing, like, oh, he's definitely not a crazy person.

[01:32:09] And it's like, let's just take inventory of what all is in this. And it identifies the virus, and it's just like, alright, copy that down, don't let that come back. And then, but it takes that react, that toxin reaction to get that, uh, immune system to really react. So, it's, it's not like it's an evil conspiracy to, to kill everybody.

[01:32:59] You could do that, but that doesn't mean they are doing that. And there are true things that we have actual evidence and data for, like a lot of the stuff with Anthony Fauci and his corrupt ass, that's real. That has nothing to do with microchips and, you know, 5G. But it has to do with like him suppressing information and him sponsoring research into areas that are very not cool, like gain of function, um, and those two areas get mixed up because people who Are really based on just running on fear.

[01:33:54] 'cause they're like, look, do you really believe we put microchips in everybody and spray clouds to make fake rain? Come on guys. Yeah. And um, when really it's just like, no, no, no, no. That's not what we're saying. We're saying that you killed people on accident in research and then covered it up. Mm-hmm. . Um, and that's also uncool.

[01:34:20] Darian Sheldon: bizarre. Well, and I truly believe that there's probably, I mean, I don't know, maybe there's little pieces of truth within each conspiracy. I, I... Most likely. Probably. And it probably just snowballed, you know, snowball effect where it's like, oh my gosh, there's, this is coming in and, and it becomes this big...

[01:35:01] It's like you, when you're a As soon as you're born, you get assigned a number, a social security number. Yeah. You're, you're

[01:35:11] Darian Sheldon: You're marked as soon as you're born. Like, I

[01:35:26] Darian Sheldon: Well, and then we just have to make it the best ant, ant farm, ant little village that we can.

[01:35:36] Darian Sheldon: Yeah, I, because you can't, you can't just live in that space, Geoff. You can't. No, no. You're gonna drive yourself crazy.

[01:35:47] Darian Sheldon: So, you know, if we are just in a little ant village, What are those things?

[01:35:55] Jeff Nesbitt: terrarium. Yeah. With a firmament. Yeah, then we're gonna. It's a big dome.

[01:36:11] Jeff Nesbitt: That, you're actually making me feel better. Um, and I don't even care if there's people in dark glasses watching us

[01:36:32] And enjoyment. Yeah. To whatever terrarium that they're

[01:36:41] Darian Sheldon: That reminds me of Men

[01:36:49] Darian Sheldon: Okay. I was actually telling a story yesterday and um, eh.

[01:36:56] Jeff Nesbitt: fine. Are you sure? Because now it sounds like a good one. Everybody's like, oh no, tell it.

[01:37:17] It's always interesting. Getting family together that you might not hang out with very much and, and, um, weddings, funerals, they bring out the worst in people. So I was like preparing myself for, I didn't even know what was gonna go, go on. It went lovely. It was awesome. Um, but anyway, I walked into the cove and my dad was up at the front, the bar, and he was, the bartender literally put down the drink and all my life, he's done a lot of things.

[01:38:17] It was like, oh. That's my dad. Um, but he reminded me so much of the, the alien ant man, you know, there's the Sugar! Yeah, hey, do you got some sugar? And he's like chugging the sugar and I don't get

[01:38:42] Jeff Nesbitt: Vincent D'Onofrio nailed that role. So

[01:39:06] Jeff Nesbitt: that right.

[01:39:10] Darian Sheldon: See, we are cut from the clip.

[01:39:24] Darian Sheldon: Whenever I do something embarrassing, I think of myself.

[01:39:34] Jeff Nesbitt: I live my life as if there's one of those on the back of my head, and then when I leave a room, it goes off and everybody forgets I was ever there. That's beautiful. Yeah, it backfires sometimes. No one ever remembers who I am, but other than that, it works really well.

[01:39:51] Darian Sheldon: I wish. I will probably panic about this. Well, probably not.

[01:40:04] Darian Sheldon: Yeah, yeah. You gotta, you are, you are the guy. I got the power. Yeah.

[01:40:10] Jeff Nesbitt: ants. That's true. So that's true. It's a situation. I got the magnifying glass.

[01:40:17] Jeff Nesbitt: I promise not to burn you like an ant .

[01:40:32] Do you get drinking anxiety the next day?

[01:40:37] Darian Sheldon: Oh, yeah, it ruins it for me It really does and I will convince myself. I'm gonna lose my job. Kenneth's gonna break up with me. I have no friends Oh, oh, and then I ruminate. I ruminate and I'm just like, oh my god I can't believe I said that or or oh, she probably took this this way or it's And you're

[01:40:59] Darian Sheldon: You don't have to do that. I, I don't. I, I don't need to do that and I'm, thank you for thinking that I'm cool, but, um.

[01:41:20] The ones who do it repeatedly, um, I bet they don't care that much, sober or drunk. I don't even dislike those people, it's like, they're taking the attention off me, I can't do anything to embarrass

[01:41:34] Jeff Nesbitt: Well. I'm just, I'm sorry I called you a loser if you describe yourself as one of those people.

[01:41:41] Darian Sheldon: Oh, you're actually probably better than us. Mm hmm. Probably. So. Most likely. So, um, before we did this interview, well, interview, not really, um, I have a bone to pick with you. Oh, good. What's, what is it? I do have a bone to pick with you. Hit me with it. It's about Hood to Coast.

[01:42:19] Darian Sheldon: filled in for me.

[01:42:27] Jeff Nesbitt: it. Well, it's, I'm not sure exactly what's wrong. Running was harder than it should have been. But yeah, I was on the road when I found out that you were taking my place I had been stressed out about it because I had told the captain of the team ahead of time that I was like, I don't think I'm going to be able to run.

[01:43:04] Darian Sheldon: Yeah.

[01:43:35] I never did cross country. I'm short. I'm stout. I go short distances fast. So you weren't even trained? No. Oh, oh, God no. How did they even think to ask you? No, God no. It's because I hate myself probably and I just... Wait, so you volunteered? No, kind of. They knew exactly how to pull on my heartstrings. So, how it happened was, I was at, um, SNAP.

[01:44:24] And Loretta and Vinnie, they, you know, Loretta Benavonti, she's always running. She's a runner. She's a runner girl. She looks good doing it. She's a great runner. And whenever I see Sarah and Loretta running, I'm like, good for them. They make it look easy. Oh yeah, yeah. But anyway, I was running and I saw Loretta.

[01:45:09] Jeff Nesbitt: lasted three minutes.

[01:45:14] Darian Sheldon: Uh, when did we do the July? It was literally two weeks before the race. Wow. Two weeks before the race. And, um, she said, hey, you know, we need, we need an extra person on the Hood Coast team. Can I send you the information? You at least think about it. I said, sure, I'll think about it.

[01:45:53] Like, don't be, don't be this way. So I, I told myself, no, I'm not going to do it. Shut up, Linda. Shut up, Linda. Shut up, Linda. And she was, she was telling me, she was telling me not to do it. And then it was the Oyster Jazz Festival. We went to go, Kenneth and I went to go hang out with. Jeb and Hattie and I had a couple glasses of pink champagne.

[01:46:30] Jeff Nesbitt: That is... Sign me up.

[01:46:37] Darian Sheldon: Yeah. And then you texted me the next... Well... So then... I had been, I had a couple glasses of pink champagne and then I woke up and I said, surely Darian, you did not sign yourself up for a marathon, essentially, a relay race, 196 miles altogether, and you can't run even three minutes?

[01:47:21] And I just said, I'm just going to run every day because I only have two weeks to get ready for this. Yeah. I'm going to run every single day and every single day I'm going to try to add a mile. Or just like, try to, just go. Just go run. So the first day I ran two miles. Second day I ran three. I think, uh, then I ran three, then I ran four, and then I ran three, and then I finally went, uh, I got five miles in by that Saturday, and that was

[01:47:54] Wow. That's a terrible strategy, and it worked out. It worked out. It's just awful. That would kill me. That would have just grinded me into the ground. Yeah, it was, it was. It was pretty tough. So how was the actual

[01:48:21] 7 miles. Granted, five miles was the farthest I had ever ran in my life.

[01:48:33] Darian Sheldon: Terrible. And then my last one was four miles. Well, that

[01:48:43] Darian Sheldon: Yeah, ten. Uh, wait. I don't know. Uh,

[01:48:49] Darian Sheldon: It's alright. And, um. Yeah, so the very first day, it was 93 degrees in Portland when I started my very first run. And my section had No shade whatsoever. Were you in Portland, you say? Yeah, I think I boring Oregon.

[01:49:14] Darian Sheldon: It was awful. And there is no shade. It was so unbearable. Were you running on sidewalks? Uh, yeah. It's like a path. Okay. It was like a, yeah, like a bike running path that they have. Um, anyways, and I'm, I'm going and it's so hot out and I got to mile three and I was like, I just need to.

[01:50:09] That was fucked up. And I was just, F this, F that.

[01:50:18] Darian Sheldon: had two more legs to go, but, um, other than that leg, it was smooth sailing.

[01:50:30] Or not, is it Ken? Kendall's apartment. Kendall's. Yes. Isn't that nice? Yeah. There's like a bar across

[01:50:40] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I started that. The first year we went there, um, everyone was just gonna lay down on the floor and just like rest and I was just not ready to do that.

[01:51:12] Got beers and I think one beer a piece or something. I don't remember. Well,

[01:51:27] Jeff Nesbitt: That was the other Jeff. Oh The crazy driving. Yeah, definitely not me.

[01:51:33] Darian Sheldon: Oh Yeah, I

[01:51:59] Because I think, I don't think you could do it if you're under 16. She will

[01:52:07] Jeff Nesbitt: That's gonna be awesome. She probably won't even bring snacks. She'll just get it done and be done. Oh, yeah. She'll run the whole thing. She won't even ask for a team.

[01:52:15] Darian Sheldon: it's crazy when you're running and you're like, I can't believe that I'm doing this. Like people are insane. Like all of the, you're surrounded by insane people that think that this is a fun thing to do. And then, I mean, I'm just, I'm going to do it again. So I'm insane. I

[01:52:37] Wow, this is totally a normal thing to do. No! No, imagine if the aliens saw all of our headlamps. And we're running through the middle of the night, there's hundreds and hundreds of these people running in a line for no reason at all other than we just wanted to. Just to prove,

[01:52:54] It's a

[01:52:55] Darian Sheldon: to do. Super weird. Super weird. And that's a conversation that I had with them after the very first leg when I was like, what in the actual F did I get myself into? There's

[01:53:07] Darian Sheldon: like, this... I cannot believe that this is what I, I signed myself up for and I said, yes, I can do it.

[01:53:27] Jeff Nesbitt: out there? It does feel like that. It feels like you're surrounded by crazy

[01:53:37] Jeff Nesbitt: They're all talking about their bowel movements the whole

[01:54:02] I didn't know. And.

[01:54:09] Darian Sheldon: but I had. And they all happen a lot. I had correlated and I, I've, I've been trying to figure out that, well, I had, everyone was like, that's crazy. Why would you be afraid of like. Pooping yourself in this race.

[01:54:42] It was gonna be me, Uhhuh, . And I realized that it all came from. This video that I saw, or this article that I saw on Facebook, and it had a picture of this marathon runner, and he was wearing these little teeny tiny shorts, and he had just shit all the way down his legs, and so I correlated running, To having explosive diarrhea.

[01:55:09] Jeff Nesbitt: It's like a Russian roulette, there's just nothing you can do about it. And I'm the winner. So

[01:55:34] You stink, you can't shower, you can hardly really eat because you're just adrenaline and you don't want to be too

[01:55:45] Darian Sheldon: Exactly. I was super afraid of that.

[01:56:00] One of the years we did it, Hannah Bolden, or Hannah Chalker now, friend of the show, Uh, stepped in human feces with her running shoe. Wow. Somewhere amongst, you know, the crowds, uh, and she just got back in the van with like very obviously human, you know human shit. Oh, yeah. It's got a sheen to it. Yeah. A little extra character.

[01:56:34] Darian Sheldon: Yeah, we don't believe you. I

[01:56:39] Darian Sheldon: That's amazing. Well, and, yeah, I mean, like, they don't have port a potties

[01:56:47] They have at the exchange zones, but there's a, I mean, like, lines out at the parking Yeah, you don't have time if you're, especially if you're the runner. Yeah. You don't have time at all. It's too late. Was there any missed handoffs? You guys, or did you get them all?

[01:57:03] And, so it was just like, being able to have our people there to be able to also grab the, the sheet that you write down all the time. So that was an issue,

[01:57:22] No. Because it will not. I just don't, no. I don't blame you. I'm not doing that part.

[01:57:29] Jeff Nesbitt: for the job. Let the people who are good at it do it. You know? I'll drive when I need to drive. That's the only thing I'm helping on. We did

[01:57:36] Oh, you had drivers? Yeah, Leonard. Leonard and then, um. His name is Matt, um, it was one of the runner's husbands, they drove for us, which was so

[01:58:12] Um, and then eventually you're there, and you're running again, it's like, oh my god.

[01:58:19] Jeff Nesbitt: Um. I think I did the Hooded Coast, Washington, the first year they did it, so I don't know when, 2018 or something, somewhere in there. I think, or 17 maybe. It was right before Melissa got pregnant with Amelia, so I think 2017.

[01:58:37] Darian Sheldon: Have you always been a runner? Have you always

[01:59:00] Yeah, it takes one to know one. Yeah, uh, but it turned out running is awesome, and I actually loved it. So, when I was about 16, I started running, uh, in secret. So no one would see. I would run the back streets and, really liked it and got to where I was just like, okay, I can see this being a thing a little bit.

[01:59:54] My thing, I don't love team sports. I don't like watching them unless somebody who I care about very much is on the team. That does not include a single famous person. I don't want to watch any famous people play games. That's a

[02:00:11] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't know them. I'm not gonna put on that boy's shirt to watch him play games on TV.

[02:00:38] And then once I wasn't a football player anymore, I realized, I don't like football. It's just, yeah, it's a... Brain injury waiting to happen. But, um, I did have a lot of fun back then. But anyway, the running thing, I got into running just because, um, I rowed in college, I was on the rowing team, and when I wasn't rowing, I needed to stay in shape, and I wasn't always in Bellingham with access to equipment, so I would run.

[02:01:23] A human can run at a pretty good clip for days straight. And not a lot of animals can do that. They'll die.

[02:01:43] Darian Sheldon: Yeah, it's just it's what you're meant to do. It's what

[02:01:52] I just started running all the time and I got really into it. , I Yeah, I just ran a lot and did a couple marathons and then I stopped running, um, as much because that was kind of like bucket list items and once I did it, I was just like, well, that was cool. I'm done with that. If I do too many of those, it's going to break my body.

[02:02:23] Darian Sheldon: That's crazy. I'm too sweaty.

[02:02:28] Darian Sheldon: do it. You probably, that guy probably stinks.

[02:02:32] Well, he probably smells, I bet he smells like deodorant, just from the look of him. Yeah. He's just

[02:02:41] Jeff Nesbitt: But, uh, you know, he probably does stink unless he's got like one of those portable showers. I think he, oh, he's from Oregon. Oh, yeah. his

[02:02:54] I'm starting to like it more now that I've done that. Yeah. Like. It's really fun for me now.

[02:03:11] Darian Sheldon: Well, I, when I, one thing about me is if I say I'm gonna do something, I'm gonna do it. Even if it's horrible?

[02:03:41] Oh, I, we're just.

[02:03:50] Jeff Nesbitt: perfect Darien sized hole, you're just gonna

[02:04:11] I felt like I needed to prove my, prove myself again to my, just to myself, like you are

[02:04:21] Darian Sheldon: you feel after that? I felt amazing. I felt like you can do anything now. Like you really could if you said yes to something and you put your mind to it and you just, you can do it.

[02:04:38] Darian Sheldon: Yeah. And enough shame. Yeah. Enough shame if you bail out. That'll get you a long way. Yeah. And this one race, and I just kept on telling myself, it's humanly possible. Other people, those people aren't more special than me. Yeah. It's just they practice at it more.

[02:04:56] Jeff Nesbitt: things that literally are like you pulled them right from my head. I say that to myself every time I'm in one of those situations. I'm like, I'm looking at a guy doing it right now.

[02:05:08] It's just, um, am I gonna be as good? No, probably not. But do I? No. But I can do it, and um, they're lunatics, and I, for even wanting to, like, that's, that's something that they want to do, and I guess now I'm a lunatic now, because I'm sure I'm going to do it next year.

[02:05:39] Amazing. The first one is the bad one. That was... Who knows, it's probably different for everybody, but there has been points where I was so sure that I would never do something like that again, and then within 30 minutes I had completely done a 180 and be like, this is such an amazing opportunity, how lucky am I that I'm out here running in the middle of the night in the forest just like...

[02:06:02] Darian Sheldon: But that run is something special, that second one, because that was a, because I had, so my first leg, five and a half miles, that was the farthest I had ever ran in my life. And then I had the second one, where it was 6. 7, which that is the pinnacle of the farthest I've ever... That's a long leg.

[02:06:41] I have no service. I don't even know what mile I'm at. Cause I honestly, I don't really know what the mile markers do. Did you track it or anything? Well, I had my Apple watch and then it died. Oh no. So I was...

[02:06:53] Darian Sheldon: last 24 hours. I could have been abducted by aliens. I wouldn't know. I have no idea.

[02:07:09] Jeff Nesbitt: And that's it. You got the headphones? You have headphones on? Yeah, I did. I'm not going to have people tell me. Did they try to tell you not to? They try to tell you not to.

[02:07:20] Jeff Nesbitt: I actually, like a, um, like a fool, I actually follow the rules and instead of just wearing my headphones, I actually bought the kind that they let you have, the bone conduction ones that keep your ears, ear holes open so you can still hear traffic and stuff and their, their instructions or whatever.

[02:07:49] Darian Sheldon: people saying, Hey guy, watch out or hearing yourself breathe. And you're like, Oh my God, he's so empathetic.

[02:07:56] Darian Sheldon: Yeah. Just like, uh, like, yeah, it is really hard.

[02:08:03] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. The worst for me is when my inner voice. He doesn't have a name, but, uh. You should name him. We

[02:08:12] Jeff Nesbitt: it. I'll think, try to think of something, but the worst thing for me, especially in competition like that, is when he's just super calm and he's just like, yeah, this is, this is really, it's not too bad.

[02:08:46] It's from rowing because that would be so painful and so miserable and just so hard that I would have to Detach from my body and just be somewhere else. And, which is actually not bad Yeah. If you're rowing. Cause you're doing the same motion. Right. Over and over and over and over and, um, but now it just tries toxic on when I'm doing anything hard.

[02:09:34] Yeah, oh you do, okay. I do know Jeff. So we got a Jeff on each bear arm, and we're just dragging this thing out, and he had slyly mentioned that he had broken a few ribs, um, so I got this smaller man with broken ribs pulling the bear next to me, and I was like, I'm gonna make this fun for him. And I can't just take a break in the middle, so I just gotta keep going.

[02:10:11] Darian Sheldon: a sense of

[02:10:16] Like you got to actually like engage with your body and like be a person and not just an engine, you know, but yeah, it's a useful tool to have when you, when you need it. We made it all the way to the fence without a break. Broken ribs and all. That's

[02:10:35] Yeah, and Sawyer, Sawyer shot the bear? Yeah.

[02:10:51] Darian Sheldon: Kenneth, Kenneth got to, um, had the privilege of coaching Sawyer in basketball.

[02:11:00] Jeff Nesbitt: That's awesome. For sure. I actually coached Kenneth in t ball. Oh really. In like 2002. Yeah, my dad was the coach. I was helping him coach, but Kenneth had the best arm on the team. I remember, I remember that specifically. He was a good athlete.

[02:11:22] And it's so... One of those ones.

[02:11:25] Darian Sheldon: one of those guys. Good for you. Thank you, but it's infuriating sometimes because he gets this huge, this big head. And so I have to like, kind of, you know, I have to keep him grounded. That's my job. It is. I bust some balls and I keep him grounded. It truly is your job.

[02:11:51] Jeff Nesbitt: games. I was just gonna ask that. If you pick up a pair of horseshoes... And you two are going to compete against each other. Who usually wins?

[02:12:01] And we started doing this thing, um, we need to pick it up again, where we would play cornhole for the dishes. That was our little competition, household chore competition. And I knew I was probably gonna do the goddamn dishes anyway, but it made it fun and it made it more of like, oh, well, I lost. I'm gonna do the dishes and I have less resentment other than he's just so good at games and he's so good at cornhole, beer pong, beer die, darts, pool.

[02:12:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Course. Yeah, that's a lot of stuff.

[02:12:57] Jeff Nesbitt: me.

[02:13:23] And I'm shocked. I'm just like, how did I not win? I don't see what happened, where did this go wrong? Um, but she just gets there. I don't know. Cornhole in particular. It's just like, I don't know how you, I don't know how I'm not good at it. Right. I feel like I should be good at it. And I'm just not. I don't, it makes no sense.

[02:13:55] Jeff Nesbitt: sexual also. It's always bothered me. Yeah, it's super

[02:14:00] Jeff Nesbitt: It's like, Yeah, a

[02:14:06] Jeff Nesbitt: Just fingering each other's cornholes and just having a good old time.

[02:14:14] Jeff Nesbitt: I've been told it's, it's not, it's a separate

[02:14:22] Jeff Nesbitt: But karaoke, so you like, you like to sing?

[02:14:30] I'm not super good at it, but I have no shame. And so I love dancing. Everywhere

[02:14:44] Darian Sheldon: So, sometimes. Sometimes. But yeah, I love, I will always go up and do the karaoke song.

[02:15:14] Jeff Nesbitt: happy.

[02:15:17] Darian Sheldon: Um, um, believe it or not, ugh, alright, I am gonna say it, um, Dick in a Box by Lonely Island. That's

[02:15:28] Darian Sheldon: Yeah! That is my number one tried and true, I will sing it to the day I die, 80 years old, that is the best

[02:15:38] It doesn't have to be like in a jukebox somewhere. Yeah. Diggin

[02:15:48] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. That's a good one. I was not expecting that. Yeah.

[02:15:58] Yeah. No one can hit, no one can hit that Alicia Keys, like, little

[02:16:12] Darian Sheldon: It's, it's pretty wonderful. And so I only, I only share that little bit of treasure.

[02:16:30] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I, I would bet I would like to hear

[02:16:39] Jeff Nesbitt: That's awesome. That sounds really fun. Yeah. So it sounds like that's a kind of a hot spot up there.

[02:16:50] Jeff Nesbitt: That's cool. Yeah. I, I mean, I drive by there and, um, I've driven by my entire life. I've always seen that, but. I have only ever known old people going there, but so now that there's actual young people there, it's like, wow, that's cool. There's like a nightlife in Ocean Park.

[02:17:33] You don't have to be good at it. You just come out, you hang out. Some people drink, some people don't. You play? Yeah, I love playing I'm actually pretty good at darts. I'll have to play you.

[02:17:46] Darian Sheldon: Yeah, you and Melissa should come to

[02:17:54] Yeah,

[02:18:06] Jeff Nesbitt: it's fun. Is it electric? Or is it dart darts, like metal tip?

[02:18:13] Um, but it's really fun, though. And so it's been really cool when our friends come, come and visit for holidays and stuff like that. They come down and visit their friends and darts, you know, darts at docks and just hanging out and get to talk to the older guys and... Yeah. Hear their stories. And

[02:18:33] And it's like, you're a local and you're family now. So it's like, that's your spot. It's like, uh, Always Sunny in Philadelphia or Cheers.

[02:18:50] Jeff Nesbitt: Local royalty.

[02:18:55] And I love being a fly on the wall and when he's in there and just, it's because he grew up there and they all know him and some of them came to our wedding. Like, the whole docs, the whole docs crowd and you got the, the morning guys, they come in every single day to make sure that People know that they're still around, and the days that they don't show up, we're calling.

[02:19:21] Jeff Nesbitt: will die out, as the culture kind of changes and that generation goes away. Because that was a thing, like, older guys, they get up in the morning and they go somewhere. Right. Like, to coffee or, you know, whatever. I still, I would love to, I'm driven to do that. I get up and I love to drive out and find a donut in the world.

[02:19:48] Darian Sheldon: No, but I, I hope that we start that. We continue that. Me too. It's really fun when, um, uh, when our friends are down and they, they'll come in and they'll, you know, talk to, cause he's always there in the morning.

[02:20:22] It's a, it's our own little... What is the, you know, water, water, what's that called? Water jug? Water cooler? Water cooler. Water cooler.

[02:20:36] Darian Sheldon: So

[02:20:44] He did, right? Yeah, he

[02:21:09] I just kind of always knew, like he has his, his family unit is super strong down here. I absolutely adore and love his family and um, he's just a, he's just an ocean park kid and I knew if I was going to be with him. That we would probably end up back there and I love his family and his family traditions and everything that they're about I love and I knew that I wanted to like raise my kids and have a family with that Yeah.

[02:21:44] Jeff Nesbitt: like, generational, multi generational community that you actually are connected and related to. Right.

[02:22:05] I'm super happy that. I know that this is where I'm supposed to be.

[02:22:27] Um. I just, I love the place. It's a great community. And the fact that I chose to come back here and like, invest my time and energy back into the same community that I came from, it feels important. Like, it feels like we're supposed to do that. And a lot of people don't get that opportunity because they leave.

[02:22:46] Darian Sheldon: places. Yeah, no, I, I love this community. I think I had the mindset is I just wanted to get out. I wanted to get out of my situation. I wanted to get out of the environment that I was in. I wanted just to get out and I knew that my ticket to getting out was cool.

[02:23:29] Jeff Nesbitt: place.

[02:23:46] Darian Sheldon: For sure. And I wouldn't be able to do what I do in another, in another area. I just wouldn't, I don't have the same passion.

[02:24:32] Yeah. And the people that I'm working

[02:24:55] And I wouldn't be able to have made it without those people and now that I'm in a position where I can do that for other people, I, I look around and I'm trying to, I like, I look for opportunities to do that and when they come along, it, it feels significant. Like if I run into somebody who like I used to coach and they're grown up now and I can get them work or something, whatever, like all that stuff, it feels, it feels like we have to do that as it's like an important thing.

[02:25:49] Right. And like, those moments happened to me. Oh yeah. And that's the reason I got to be where I am now. And so I, I look for those opportunities and it's cool that it is in the place where I go. It's a really cool time. It's a really cool time. I mean, you're doing the same thing. And there's several other people.

[02:26:12] Darian Sheldon: It is really cool and it just makes, um, it makes everything all worth it and continues to drive. I strongly believe the number one thing, number one most important thing in a person's life is relationships and it's fostering those relationships and being able to be a mentor to someone.

[02:27:01] Jeff Nesbitt: It's, there is something though, like, some quality that, cause you meet these kids, some of them, you can tell right away, like, you've got the thing. Like, if I invest my time and energy in, To you, into guiding you, you're gonna make something out of it. And then there's other kids where, whether it's because they have trauma that's had them put up really strong walls, or they just don't have the foresight to recognize opportunity or whatever it is, you just know it's like, oh man, this one's too far.

[02:27:50] Just pay it forward, as cheesy as that is. No,

[02:28:19] And so even if they don't take it, maybe it's not, it's not them at the right time, or maybe they've got some other, other things that they've got to deal with, they'll never forget that. So it's always still worth

[02:28:35] Darian Sheldon: Yeah. Who do you think was your biggest mentor?

[02:29:09] My whole career came out of carrying heavy stuff for him.

[02:29:25] you know what, I think there's been a lot of people, but some people that like really stand out is, I would say. Mooch, Mooch

[02:29:34] Darian Sheldon: show. Mooch Smith, um, my aunt, my aunt Summer, my, well, I have some really kick ass aunts. I

[02:29:44] Darian Sheldon: Yeah, and, um, my aunt and my uncles and, and, and, yeah, I think those, those people.

[02:29:57] he, he really invested a lot of time.

[02:30:11] Darian Sheldon: bullshit for sure. He he certainly will. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. And he'll, he will hold you accountable.

[02:30:37] Jeff Nesbitt: Well, we're at two hours. Okay. Thank you for coming. Yeah. This has been nice to get to know you a little bit.

[02:30:50] Jeff Nesbitt: Thank you everybody for listening. I'll talk. Talk to you next time. Bye-Bye. Bye.