The energies that we share amongst others are ultimately how we bond with others. Finding ways to make that connection is a transfer of this energy between two (or more) people and has careful interactions/considerations when it comes to what your needs and wants are. However, what does it mean to connect with others to form not only better relationships, but to work on this? Today's episode features Certified Wellness Practitioner Michelle Wolfe, a Wild Heart Empowerment Coach, sharing how our "witchy, scientific, data-driven" minds can be of assistance with the ways that we interact with the various opportunities that exist in the world. By using the latent powers that we have in our quests to become better versions of ourselves, we can also help others to connect with others in deeper, more meaningful ways.

(NOTE: To see our podcast host's interview on "All The Things With Michelle Wolfe", visit the following website: https://www.michellewolfe.me/allthethingspodcast/episode/7be3f0cf/ep4-speaking-from-the-heart-w-josh-smith.)

Guest Bio

Michelle Wolfe is a Certified Wellness Practitioner with a MS in Psychology specializing in depth psychology and metaphysics. A Certified Yoga Teacher, Reiki Master, and highly intuitive medium and witchy woman, Michelle specializes in bridging the psycho-spiritual gap with a non-traditional approach to mental health and mind-body-spirit connection. She utilizes various holistic healing modalities to address trauma, attachment disorders, nervous system dysregulation, psychosomatic symptoms, and relationship dysfunction. Her focus is personal empowerment through increased self-awareness and identity investigation rooted in self-inquiry, playful curiosity, mind-body connection, archetypical exploration, and radical acceptance.

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Intro/Outro By: Michael Dugan, Podcast Host: Voice4Chefs

Welcome to the podcast where relationships, confidence, and

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determination all converge into

an amazing, heartfelt experience.

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This is Speaking From The Heart.

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Joshua: Welcome back to episode

number 162 of Speaking from the Heart.

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Today, I am super excited to have Michelle

Wolfe join us, and Michelle is somebody

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that I got to know over the last few

months, because of a mutual person that

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had been on the podcast before, and as

a result of that, that connection being

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made, I was able to be on her show,

All The Things With Michelle Wolfe, and

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now I get to return the favor to allow

her to be on my show, so here we go.

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Michelle is a certified wellness

practitioner with a Master of Science

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in psychology, specializing in in

depth psychology and metaphysics.

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A certified yoga teacher, Reiki

master, and highly intuitive medium

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and witchy woman, Michelle specializes

in bridging the psychospiritual gap

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of a nontraditional approach to mental

health and mind body spirit connection.

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She utilizes various holistic

healing modalities to address trauma,

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attachment disorders, nervous system

dysregulation, psychosomatic symptoms,

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and relationship dysfunction.

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Her focus is personal empowerment

through increased self awareness

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and identity investigation, rooted

in self inquiry, playful curiosity,

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mind body connection, archetypical

exploration and radical acceptance.

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Well, I believe this witchy woman on

today's show certainly gives us a little

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bit of a different perspective, and

being that she's literally right up the

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road from me, located very nearby, I'm

excited about the fact that Michelle

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brings this connection about being able

to help others, and being able to be

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curious, as she even mentions, in a

way in which is very fascinating to me.

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Not only is it something that we

usually explore when it comes to the

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different chemistries that we have in

our life, which we talk a little bit

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about that today, given the witchy

comment that I have already mentioned,

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but I think it's a lot more than just

black magic, or sorcery, or alchemy,

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no matter what you look at it.

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I think it's about dealing with the

things that we have in our life that

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whether we feel safe, or we have shame,

we have to mix it with something else,

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whether it's positive in nature, or maybe

helping us to get to that next step in our

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lives that creates that support system.

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We don't need to be self centered.

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We just need to be centered, and I

think that you'll hear a lot about

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that in Michelle's story, and so much

more, about what she does to help other

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people become the best versions of

themselves in quite an interesting way.

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But with that, let's go to the episode.

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All right.

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We're here with Michelle Wolfe.

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Michelle, thanks for sharing

your heart with us today.

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Michelle: Thank you for having me on.

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Joshua: I want to say thank you for

allowing me to have you on the show

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because it's been a while since we've

talked, and for my listeners, I was on

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Michelle's podcast, which we'll talk

about here in a little bit, and I've been

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really excited to have you on officially

here, because you have so much to offer,

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and I feel that you have a space that

you are going to create for my listeners

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here, so thanks for doing this, and I

already let the listeners know a little

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bit about your background, but I was

wondering if you could start with your

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story of how you got into practicing

wellness and how you got into psychology,

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and I know those are like two different

fields, but you're such a multi-versated,

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multi-perspective woman, and I find that-

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Michelle: Very fascinating being.

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Joshua: Yes!

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Yes, you are.

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You have so much to offer on the table,

so I was wondering if you could dive into

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why that was a decision early on for you.

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Michelle: Yeah, I think, and it is

funny, because it's like psychology is

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one part of it, and spirituality is the

other part of it, and they, somewhere

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along the lines, got married for me.

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I think in my- I'll call it

awakening journey, but really, I

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mean, it started with, I don't know.

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I kind of always go back to like when

I had my son and I would say he saved

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my life, because it just gave me this

perspective that I couldn't have otherwise

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had, and then that sent me on this

journey of like wanting to understand

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myself, and wanting to be the best mom

that I could be, and so, that started

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me on the journey of developmental

psychology and that really, that "aha!"

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moment of understanding how my brain got

to be the way that it is, so that's that

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psychology part of me; that self awareness

part of me, but then that other witchy

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woo part of me, that's sort of the part

of me that's like innate that I can't

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deny, and so as I just went more along

this journey of really self discovery-

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but then that sort of spiraled into

wanting to have good relationships too,

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right, wanting to understand myself,

but then others, and then that started

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me into everything is energy, and that

started me into- I mean, it just kind

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of like has spiraled all along the way.

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Joshua: It sounds like it kind of like

built upon each other as the need arrived.

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Michelle: Yeah.

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Joshua: Is that fair to say?

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Michelle: More layers

are revealed, kind of.

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Yeah.

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Joshua: Tell me more about this

witchy side, because I don't see a

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broomstick or a hat on you, and I'm

just describing for our listeners.

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You seem like an ordinary woman,

so tell me more about what that

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means, because that's an interesting

way to describe yourself.

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Michelle: I know, and I'm kind of owning

it more lately, and to me, it is just more

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like if you saw my surroundings right now.

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I have plants all over the place.

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I'm very in-tune with nature.

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To me, witchiness is really just

like an attunement to nature.

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I do sort of have a sense of feeling

like a guardian of this planet in

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some way, and the inhabitants on it.

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I feel a connection to my fellow

people, but like beings in general:

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plants, animals, consciousness,

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and that stuff really goes into like

existentialism and depth psychology,

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and things, so again, the scientist

part of me then goes into my pursuits.

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Really it's the pursuit of

understanding my own behavior.

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I mean, there's lots of labels that

people could probably slap on me,

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right, so neurodivergent might be one

of them, and I can own all of them

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and not, because I don't like to be

labeled, which is a hard thing when

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you're trying to describe what you do.

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Joshua: Well, I think we have, already,

by saying that you're multi faceted.

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That does yield some great perspectives.

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First off, when I think of the

term, "witch", just getting

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back to that for a second.

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Michelle: Oh, yeah.

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Joshua: Sometimes that conjures up a, "Oh!

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She does black magic.", or,

"She's into sorcery.", but

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that's not how you described it.

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It's more nature based.

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Michelle: Yeah.

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No, to me, it feels that way, and there's

certainly people that go into it in

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different ways, and people will talk about

spells and things, but the way that I

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look at it is I very much value free will,

in and of myself, and that of others.

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We talk about spell casting, so

there's- I don't know if you've

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ever read The Four Agreements?

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Joshua: I have to say, real quick.

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My sister read stuff like that because

she was into witchery, sorcery growing

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up, and I feel like I've heard of this

book, because she might've had one.

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Michelle: Yeah.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Michelle: It simplifies a lot of

things, but like one of them is be

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impeccable with your word, and the idea

that like words are spells, but if you

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think about that, Wayne Dyer talked

about the importance of being mindful

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of using the words, "I am.", beause

when you say, "I am something", right?

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" I am anxious.", right?

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You're identifying with that thing then,

and that's very powerful, so I look at it

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sort of in that way, so when I think of

words or spells, we talk about witchiness.

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I'm just very mindful of the

word that I use, how I describe

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myself; how I describe others.

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Even in the readings that I do, I'm

mindful to not put people in a box.

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I try to encourage people to come

to things on their own, but without

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like guiding them, you know what

I mean, like, you walk a fine

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line when you do guide people.

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Joshua: Yeah, and I would say, and

this isn't labeling you either.

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I think this is just the way

that your methodology is.

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I feel that you're non-traditional

in the ways that you handle a lot

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of things, as I'm more traditional,

and I blame my autism a little bit

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on that, because I need to have

structure, and goal orientedness,

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and a lot of people appeal to that,

because that's a lot more practical.

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It's a lot more tangible, but yours is

more metaphysical, or more energy based,

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and I didn't say this earlier on, but I

think one of the connections that you and

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I have is that another guest I had way

back last year, the "Mama of Reiki" in the

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area, Ricky Merrill Friedman, is somebody

that you know very personally as well,

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and when I had that conversation with her,

I knew absolutely nothing about Reiki.

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I was a young podcaster that absolutely

had no understanding of it, and as

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I've grown in this, I've learned so

much about it from my other guests that

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I've had, and I wonder how you connect

the intersection of all these things.

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It's so fascinating to me, and I've

said this too, that there's coaches

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that come from all perspectives.

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You come from a different perspective

too, and that's the non-traditional sense.

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Michelle: And I do sort of like

to operate outside of the box.

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I didn't mean to be that way,

but apparently I came into

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this lifetime very rebellious.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Michelle: I do look at everything as

energy and sort of polarity, and law

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of attraction, like those are things.

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I don't sort of subscribe to any one thing

as an end all, be all thing, although I

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do have some universal truths, and one

of them is that everything is energy.

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That came in for me as a truth, and when

I say that, when I had that epiphany or

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realization- and that came in, I was in

my MSW program at Shippensburg, and like,

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I had just watched this video on the

acoustic levitation of water droplets, so

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whatever was going on in my life at the

time, it just locked in for me, and I felt

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it in my whole body, and another universal

truth for me is that- I'll say it this

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way, but I'm not a religious person, but

God is love, or love is God, that love

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is sort of the answer, and there's like

a very powerful source of energy in that.

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I don't know if I answered you.

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I totally went off on a tangent, but yeah.

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Joshua: No, you did.

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I went off on a tangent a little bit

too with three different points, and I

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usually do that sometimes too, because I

feel like there's so much to unpack with

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that, so let's unpack this for a second,

so you're saying that God is love, or love

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is God, okay, so for somebody that is,

let's say non-religious, or is religious,

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and they come to you and say, "I'm

having problems with understanding that."

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You're helping them to see that for

themselves, so how would you walk

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them through something like that?

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If you don't mind describing that.

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Michelle: I don't like to speak for

Rickie, but I think this is one of the

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things that like her and I would probably

agree on is that eminence of that love.

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She would call it Reiki

light energy, probably.

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To me, that's sort of that radiance

of like heart chakra love energy, and

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I think that's like ever expansive,

kind of like when I see it that

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way, that's how consciousness like

plays, and it's the thing that

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connects us, cause we all need love.

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Okay, so that's part of it.

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The whole idea of God is love, and even

for me, I did grow up Roman Catholic,

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going to CCD, confirmation, all the

things, but the thing that always stuck

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with me is the idea of God is love.

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That is one of those things that even as

a child, I remember being like seven years

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old in CCD classes, learning about these

things, and that was something that came

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in as a truth, and I'm like, "That makes

sense to me.", and even the teachings

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of Jesus, when you pick the things apart

that's the one theme that I don't know

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that I always sort of resonated with, and

so even if we remove the religious aspects

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of those things, like whatever your

religion is on a human level, and even

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if we remove the human part of it, right?

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If we go beyond that to like greater

consciousness so that's collective

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consciousness, and see, then I get lost

in the ethos and I start losing people

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there, but that's the thing for me that

always connects us, so I can like sort

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of pull back to that level and see all

of us, whether we're a plant, or an

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animal, or a person, and like connect

with our consciousness is the thing that

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we share that we're here experiencing

with each other and co-creating.

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Joshua: That is true, and I do

understand it, and maybe for

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a more practical example, I

always use this with my clients.

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I talk about Maslow's hierarchy and needs.

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You need to be-

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Michelle: That's a good one.

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Joshua: Satisfied.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You need to satisfy the needs immediate

before you can have the needs that

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might be out in the distance, and that,

collectively, has to happen in a society

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too, in order to find that balance,

and sometimes I think that we have a

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lot of work to do here in the United

States when it comes to that, but that's

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not to get into the mechanics of that.

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I'm more talking about the personal

aspect, like you are, so how would

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you say someone could be able to

help themselves to find that journey

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for themselves, because like, you've

worked through this, Michelle.

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Michelle: I have worked through a lot of

things, and here we can even use Maslow's

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hierarchy as an example, right, so

because of so much of what I am interested

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in my own self growth journey is self

realization, and that's like the top of

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the pyramid, right, but in order to get

there, you have to go through the levels.

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We can look at it like that.

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I like structure.

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I do like different modalities

and that's kind of what I bring

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to the table is like, there is no

one way, or one path, to healing.

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You have to find what works for you,

and the beauty of it is there's so many

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things that you can do, but so we'll

stick with the structure of this one.

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I would first then look at all the

ways that I don't feel safe, right?

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Because that's going to be my first level.

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I need to make sure that I feel safe

here, and you'd be surprised, but like

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a lot of people really don't feel safe,

and I'm saying that to say, like, I'm a

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self aware person and I have my own fears.

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That's not a bad thing, and so

that's another layer of like, let's

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remove the shame of not feeling safe.

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It's okay.

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Having safe spaces to talk about those

things that you might have fear around,

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being able to name that, that's an

important thing, and I think that like

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social media, or at least one of the

themes that I'm sort of noticing or trends

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that I'm noticing that I'm liking is

that people are talking more about it.

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I love to see that.

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I love to see men talking more about it.

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Joshua: That's why I loved being on

your podcast, which by the way, for

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my listeners, I dropped it twice

and I should really say it now.

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It's called All The Things

With Michelle Wolfe.

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It's something that you started

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I was like one of your first guests.

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We talked about even that much.

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Michelle: Yeah.

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I love that conversation.

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You really went into it with me.

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I appreciate it.

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You're so courageous.

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Joshua: I loved it, because you're right.

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It's not talked enough about

in the men community as a whole

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because there's a lot of shame.

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There's a lot of, "If you talk about

this, you are weak to other women.",

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even for that matter, and it's a shame

because I feel that I'm more attuned

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to myself as a result of that, and I

have work to do, like all of us do,

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but that's just part of the journey.

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Michelle: No, but I have to tell

you, like, I love to see it.

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Even listening to you talk about it,

but just like, because I love to see it,

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and thank you, because it's important

work and it matters, and so that too,

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like that ripple effect of that, like

I want to, again, like everything is

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energy for me, so like, that's important.

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Joshua: When you say that it's energy

for you, and maybe it's even energy for

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other people that are listening to it.

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How do we take that energy that was

for a good cause, maybe it might not

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be for a good cause, how do we transfer

that into something that can be used

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for our benefit, or I guess in your

world, and you can correct me if I'm

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wrong about this, but I'm assuming that

you would take this in your world to

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change it, to manifest into something

that is useful, as opposed to not safe.

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Is that fair to say?

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Michelle: So a lot of work that I

do is like, I'll call it alchemy,

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and I didn't mean for it to be

that, but it just kind of isn't.

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I think that's like the approach

that I've had with my life.

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I sort of have learned to alchemize,

we'll call it pain into productive

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things, but also joy, and acceptance,

and happiness, and courage, and all the

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things that made me this person, but

you know, doing that process of looking

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at yourself and like, what's coming

up for you, and especially addressing

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things like your fears, and then

looking at that and being like, "Okay,

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well, how can I empower myself here?"

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I see fear as a place where I'm not

quite free, and for me, I don't know.

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I just came into this world

being like freedom is paramount.

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So then that makes me go, "Okay, well,

where are all the ways in which I'm

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not free?", and fear isn't a bad thing.

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I don't like to demonize emotions.

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It's useful data.

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That scientist part of me is like

always gathering data, but it's like

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what we do with it that matters,

and if you use that to like propel

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yourself into those things, right?

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Like it sometimes it's uncomfortable, but

we get so afraid of feeling the discomfort

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that like we keep ourselves from being

able to grow into the things to get to

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that top of Maslow's hierarchy, like

the full realization of yourself isn't

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just knowing yourself, and it is, know

thyself for sure, but like embody it.

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That's amazing.

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Joshua: It strikes me when you say that,

because I literally had this visualization

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of kids, and this is a perfect example.

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We're told as kids, "Don't cross

the street unless you're with your

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parent, because they're going to be

looking out for you and making sure

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that you look both ways.", right?

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You didn't have that conscious ability

because you weren't thinking about it.

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I want to be over there, but there's

cars that are driving down the road.

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You got to be careful, but we're

taught then to realize you can do this

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yourself, so there's an empowerment

factor, so I know I'm boiling it down

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into a simple example, but it sounds

like it's sort of the same principle.

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We got to be trained to know that fear.

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Yes.

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It protects us, but it

can also inhibit us.

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Michelle: Yes, and I think that's

why somatics is so important because

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learning, and when I say that really

what I mean it's just like being in tune

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with what's happening in your body when

you feel something, right, so like, if a

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fear does come up for you, then you can

check in with your body and go, "Okay.

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Where am I feeling that in my body?

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What's the story that's

coming up around that?

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Am I making meaning of that?", and

you just start to pick away at it a

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little bit to understand yourself more,

and then like how that might motivate

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you or not, or what you want to do

with it, and then that's the thing.

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That's where choice comes in.

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I always say, once you bring it to your

conscious awareness, you have choice.

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Joshua: You've worked with people on

this, and I wonder with the somatic

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aspect of it, where do you see most

people struggling with when it comes to

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being self aware, because I feel that

especially in this world that is just

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bombarding, and you've mentioned social

media, which is a perfect example.

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There's so many different avenues

of information that we can

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access, so all that's happening.

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We have the people that we associate

with, that's our inner circle; could

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be part of that Maslow safety net too.

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Where do you feel that most people

get stuck, if they do get stuck?

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Michelle: I think I

have an answer for that.

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I mean, I think that a lot of people,

social media, for example, so there's

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this sort of effect, and I don't know

what it's called, but I'll use an example.

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Say you want to lose weight and you

follow a lot of accounts that encourage

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you to do different exercises.

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Just by sitting and consuming, even

the videos of those exercises, in

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some way, you've sort of tell yourself

that you did the thing, even though

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you didn't do it, so there's that.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Joshua: That's called Netflix and chill.

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I know exactly what you're talking about.

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I just translated that for our listeners.

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There we go.

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We got it.

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Michelle: Another example might

be more like, say you follow a

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lot of like healthy foods, right.

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And you're like, "I want to eat

healthier.", so you following them and

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you're like, "That looks so good!", but

like, you're not actually practicing

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that in your life, so that's a big thing

is like, number one, being aware of

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those small, like sort of meaningless

actions that we take every day that

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determine where we end up going.

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Joshua: I love that though, because I

think that we're more attuned to the

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bigger picture and we're looking at all

the inputs from that, but it's really

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sometimes even the very small things.

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It could be as simple as getting

up in the morning and manifesting

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whether we have a good day or a bad

day or counter blessings or not.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Michelle: Perspective really

matters, and then just becoming

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like aware, like getting curious.

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That's one of my favorite things to

say is just get curious by yourself.

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There's data around you all the

time, so things trigger you, right?

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"Ooh, why do I feel that way?", or if you

feel judgmental about somebody, that's

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always a good invitation to look at

yourself and be like, "Why am I judging

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that person?", but like, I get curious

from a place of kind of amusement.

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I used to be much, and I'm

still sometimes hard on myself.

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Joshua: We all are.

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Michelle: We all are.

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My point was to say like, not from

a place of then judging yourself and

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being like, "Why am I doing that?"

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It's just more information,

and I don't know.

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I just sort of like look at life as

like information gathering, and maybe

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that's the research science part of

me, but you know, you can look at

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it in terms of like a game, right?

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It's all in however it

captures your attention, too.

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Joshua: Yes.

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Speaking of curiosity, though, so

you start- well, not start, you've

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been doing this for a while now.

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You're what you call a "wild heart

empowerment coach.", and that got

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me curious, because you work on

some of the things that I kind of

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even touch upon in my business,

like being your authentic self.

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Michelle: Yeah.

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Joshua: Find a way to do it.

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Yeah.

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That's why we resonate so well.

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I love it, but what would you say is

your mission then, doing it with all

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the things that you share, because

this has been a great conversation.

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I think that we can all

work from different angles.

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What empowers you to wanting to

help others though to see that?

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Is it because of what you've been through,

and wanting to give that energy to

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other people, or is it something else?

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Michelle: I mean, I think some of it

is the idea that I like never want

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people to feel alone for some reason,

and maybe that's because on some level

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I must've felt alone or something.

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I don't know.

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I asked myself why.

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Some of it is just a compulsion of

like, I feel like I need to share

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these things, because I know that in my

reading of somebody else's vulnerable

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sharing, and I've seen myself in someone

else's story, and that then validated

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something that I needed and helped

me in some way, so there's that too.

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It's the idea that here, maybe

learn from my mistakes, but

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also not just my mistakes.

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I share it all, but I do try to share

it all and keep it real and not just

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share like the beautiful highlights

of my beautiful life, because life

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is challenging, and I've been through

sort of the ups and downs, and

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some dark downs, so that too, like

wanting people in those dark spaces

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to see that there is another side.

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Joshua: Do you worry about being that

vulnerable though with someone, and

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maybe even taking advantage of that?

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Michelle: No, not really.

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It's just part of it.

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It's just who I am, and I think

that at this point I've kind of

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come to see it as like a superpower.

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It's not a weakness, you know, so

if somebody feels like they need to

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take advantage of something about

me, like I just sort of trust that

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like karma will work that out.

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Joshua: You heard it now folks.

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Karma isn't anything in itself.

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Michelle: And it's not like karma

is a good and bad thing, right,

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so like I'm making karma all

the time and I'm aware of it.

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It's like what you get, what you

put in, you get out, and also too,

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like anybody that sort of takes

advantage of somebody else to get

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somewhere, like they have to carry that

knowing with them, so I don't know.

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I just imagine that that might be

a heavier burden and I'm glad I

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don't have to carry it, you know?

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Joshua: I love that!

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You're so at peace with this.

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You're like one of the first guests,

I swear, that, I mean, Rickie has

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even said this a little bit when I

had that interview, and, hi Rickie.

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I haven't acknowledged you, and

I said your name already, but

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I have to say, like, you both,

along with a large community,

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kind of are just like, "It's cool.

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It's just part of what it is.", and I

feel like personally for myself, this

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is something I've been working with,

and even after doing this show now for

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so long, I'm still working on this.

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I feel like I got to unplug some of

these things that are like, "Nope!

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This is part of my imposter syndrome.

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This is part of my negative self talk.

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This is part of what I've held on as

past trauma.", so like, I see these bugs.

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Oh, it is.

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Yeah.

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No, it is.

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It is, but I got to unplug those

too, and I share that vulnerability

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too, because I know that people

want everybody to be like, "Oh!

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You have your stuff together.

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You are able to do what you need

to do.", and that's not true.

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Things come up, and I

mean, you acknowledged it.

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You don't have to dive into it,

but you're saying things that for

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some people, it's very hard for

them to do, so I'm wondering, how

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can they do that for themselves?

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In the words of your website, how can they

empower themselves to be a wild heart?

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Michelle: Well, I do think that it matters

who you surround yourself with, so that's

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the first thing that comes to mind is

like having a supportive system, right;

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like a support system, and my support

system sustains me, and I've cultivated

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a system of people that I feel seen by,

and that's really important to me, so

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I would say that's like number one, and

it pains me to think that my mind goes,

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"Well, how do I talk to the one person

that feels like they don't have anyone?",

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right, because I don't want anyone to feel

alone, and then I would just say, like,

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"Look, it's like looking within yourself."

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One of the things that- and see, this

is why I share my stuff because people

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will look at me and be like, "Oh!

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You're so calm.", and all

these things like number one.

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You don't know how much anxiety I've had

to work through to get to be this, and

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I'm so proud of myself, and that's still

a journey that's unfolding for me, but I

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would say in the last year, the last two

years, I've gotten even more like my own

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best friend, and loving myself, and being

able to like finally look in the mirror

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and be like, "I love you.", you know,

and mean it, instead of being like, "Oh!

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That doesn't feel good still.", but

that's a journey, and I would say that.

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If you can't look in the mirror, and tell

yourself that you love yourself and feel

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that you can receive that, like start

uncovering all the things that stand in

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the way of that for you, because like

whatever else, besides anybody else, we

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need to be able to be here with ourselves.

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Joshua: It is important to show up

for ourselves in addition to showing

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up for others, but I even say to,

your first priority, you have to

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understand what makes you vulnerable,

what makes you feel safe, what makes

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you feel all those things, and to be

able to do that you have to sometimes

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deconstruct what might be things that

you've erected, and I'll tell you, and

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I think I even said this on your show.

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I always say on this show.

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My listeners get tired of me

telling about it, but I've had

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walls that I know I've erected.

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I've had to tear them down, and

I have to say, I give credit to a

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very special woman that has been my

therapist for four and a half years

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being willing to do that with me, so

you need those people that support you.

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Michelle: You do, and I'm glad

that you said, beause like we do.

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That's why we need each other, and so

a lot of what I talk about, I mean, you

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know, so I work with people one on one,

but also it's about relationships, like

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we're interconnected, and so, yes, we need

to be here and be autonomous beings, and

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be okay, and centered in whole sort of

within ourselves, but really like we're

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here to be here with each other, and to

engage, and interact, and collaborate,

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and co-create, so there's a lot of

healing that happens in relationship,

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and a lot of triggering that happens,

but like the triggering is to help

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us get to the bottom of the things,

you know, that are coming up for us.

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Joshua: Well, you know, to kind of put

a button on it, I have to say that we

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do need to trigger that so we know what

is those receptors that we're touching-

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Michelle: Exactly!

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Joshua: And if those receptors are not the

right place that we should be feeling it,

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that's where we need to be able to work on

it, and that's where people like you and

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me, we come at it from different angles.

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You are incredibly more well trained

in it, and I encourage people to even

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seek you out for that purpose, too,

that you're able to provide that space

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for them, and I love that, so Michelle,

gosh, the time flew by, so I would

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love to have you back at some point and

continue this conversation, because it's

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been beautiful in itself, but I want

to give you the last few minutes here.

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If people are interested in

contacting you or reaching out to

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you; maybe they might want to work

with you in your coaching program.

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Maybe they also want to

listen to your podcast.

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Maybe you want to talk about how they

can get in touch with all those things.

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All the things.

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Michelle: I'm a multi talented.

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Yeah.

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Joshua: You are, so I'll give

you the last few minutes.

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Michelle: Yeah, so thank you, and thank

you for having me on and talking with me.

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This was really nice.

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Joshua: Absolutely.

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Michelle: It is just always just sort of

natural, like time went by really quickly,

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and I guess I would just encourage

anybody to check out my website.

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I just launched it.

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It's michellewolfe.me.

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I tried to keep it easy, and

it has all the things on there,

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so my podcast is on there.

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It mentions the book that I'm working

on and all the little pieces that I

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have, because I've got myself in sort of

all these different avenues, so, yeah.

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Joshua: I will put that and all your

social media, and the direct link to

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the podcast, and even I'll throw my

episode that I had with you on there in

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case they want to go and check out that.

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It was one of the early ones and you

have evolved so much as a podcaster.

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I have to continue to follow,

listen to your episodes.

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You know, as I said, I've

even had another guest.

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Their episode will be coming

out after today's episode.

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Michelle: I can't wait to hear it.

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Joshua: Yeah, absolutely.

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I won't spoil the surprise,

so don't- don't tell them.

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Michelle: And I love that, and I love

how like that's the web, right, like

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how we're all connected, and lift

each other up, so I love to see it.

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Joshua: But what you do, Michelle, is

create that space for that connection,

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and I feel that energy like I said earlier

with Rickie, and with the community of

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so many other people, and I love that

you create that space, despite the

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fact that you are doing it, even for

purposes that originally started out for

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yourself, and that's what sometimes it

starts from is ourselves, before we are

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able to then serve others, and I love

that you're able to do that, and you

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do those for the things that are inside

your heart, which is why, Michelle, I

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love that you were part of this show.

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Thanks for being on

Speaking From the Heart.

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I'm glad I finally got you on

to share a little bit about you.

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I'd love to have you back and

dive more into these topics, and

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by the way, for my listeners, I'm

telling you, she's not a witch.

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She doesn't have a

cauldron in the background.

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She's a very nice person.

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You get to know her, she's a great person.

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Michelle: We get it really bad.

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We really do.

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Joshua: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Don't listen to all that.

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That's not the right thing

to think about, but Michelle,

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thanks for being on the show.

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Michelle: Thanks for having me.

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Joshua: I want to give an extra special

thanks to Michelle for being part of the

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show, and I will also have her episode

that I was featured on, All The Things

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With Michelle Wolfe, her podcast, in the

episode notes as well if you want to check

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out the different role that I played when

she interviewed me starting out with her

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podcast, but I have to say for Michelle,

I'm really excited about what she does.

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It's something that for me, as a coach,

she has this way of just making you feel

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calm, making you feel like you're centered

into what you really want to dig into.

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It makes you want to really work

on yourself, because I think

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that's really a gift in itself.

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She talked about her son saving her

life, giving that perspective and being

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able to realize that she needed to

be the best version of herself, and I

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think that digging into that, knowing

that you have somebody else that you're

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leaning into, creating that connection

with, it's just that fascinating type of

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opportunity in our lives that sometimes,

when we get that person that surrounds

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us, and helps us, and makes us want

to discover, makes us want to explore

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things that we normally don't explore,

the energies around that surround us.

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It makes us feel like we're comfortable.

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It makes us feel like we have a purpose.

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We were driving towards that

destination and I get it.

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I see why Michelle has done all

these awesome things in her life.

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I see why she has worked on so many

different avenues exploring that and

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that's what I like about people that

are willing to dig deep is that every

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time that you dig a little bit deeper,

you find a little bit more knowledge

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that affixes or helps you align with

what you have as your guardian, and I

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think that's really the term I want to

use because Michelle even talked about

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being able to pursue those opportunities.

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It doesn't mean that you have to cast

a spell or you have to figure out

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who those people are necessarily.

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We have to work through life, figuring

out that because of the ways in

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which we interact with each other.

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Our words are our own spells, and I

think that's so true with when she was

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talking about that, because when we

describe ourselves in this negative

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context, this thinking that we don't

belong on this earth, obviously that

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creates a lot of different impressions

that you don't have your S-H-I-T together,

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and I realize that our polarity, our

attraction to each other, is really about

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how we create that truth in our lives.

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It's not just about what we say to

ourselves, but when other people fuel

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that conversation that we are not

good enough, why wonder we have so

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many issues as a society as a whole.

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I know that there's an obvious

connection with that, especially since

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next week is going to be Halloween.

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Don't throw me through a loop here,

because I think what Michelle really is,

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is an example of the love and the energy

that can connect with each other, that

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helps us define what we are ultimately

looking for: our personal truths.

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You can look at it any

different way that you want.

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You can find all these different

things that you can blame: the

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shame, the ridicule, the fear,

the different types of things that

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we've been called in terms of names.

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Regardless of what you want to call it,

it's really about finding that personal

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truth, so we have this chemistry set in

front of us, usually, that we have to

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figure out which compounds, which bonds

will we have in the alchemy type of

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sense that will create that purpose, that

productive purpose, as Michelle calls it.

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I think that we also have to understand

that we have to create that environment.

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That environment sometimes is with fear.

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Fear is not a place in which

we should feel discomfort.

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In another way of thinking, it means that

our fear has to be something that is a

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byproduct of all the different things

that we're trying, meaning that even

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as fear works on us, it makes us feel

inadequate, it makes us challenge whether

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we should or should not do something.

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Fear is only a self check.

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It doesn't mean that we shouldn't do

it, per se, but it should mean that we

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work on ourselves, that we work on ways

in which we create that foundation,

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that connection, with each other.

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It means that sometimes we have to check

in with that fear and get permission

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to be able to work on ourselves.

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Sometimes that permission, whether you

choose to accept it or not, means that

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we have to also find other modalities.

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Those modalities could be somatics,

checking in with yourself, even using

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EMDR, using any kind of technique.

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I'm not a psychologist by any means,

but by Michelle being on the show

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today, she really exemplifies why there

isn't just one size fit all solutions.

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Every single time that I hear that from

another coach, it drives me bonkers.

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It means that we have to learn that we

need to fit ourselves into that coach's

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model so that we can become better.

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That is not how hard work happens.

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It means finding ourselves, especially

when it comes to dealing with all

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these different processes, all these

different things that are happening

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in our life, we have to pay attention

to those small, minute details, and

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sometimes you have to slow down to

find what that truth is, especially

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when you're mixing different chemicals.

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Now you don't have to feel alone in this.

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You don't have to be

all vulnerable either.

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It means that you're sharing things that

sometimes are a little bit uncomfortable,

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but that's why coaches really respect

the fact that you need that safety net.

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You need to feel comfortable

being able to tell your story.

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You need to feel comfortable talking

to them about things that you normally

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wouldn't talk about with someone else.

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I know for me, I've already featured

on this show a number of different

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guests, especially those that have

really helped me to get to where I am

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today, business and personally related,

that have helped me become the best

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person, the best version of who I am.

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You need to surround yourself with that

support system and I've even talked about

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that with last week's episode featuring

Kelly Wilburn, in which I mentioned

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that you need to have that right support

system to be able to consistently work

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on yourself means that you have to

focus not just on the personal things,

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but you need to focus on the things

that sometimes, even by the naked eye,

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you can't obviously see, which means

that we have to dig a little bit deeper

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into some of the most invisible things

that we often don't want to look at.

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That could be anxiety,

depression, even suicide.

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You know, a number of years ago, when I

was dealing with my own type of feelings

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about what it meant to start a business

and work on myself and deal with all

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kinds of situations that were falling

around me, including even having friends

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and family members that would walk away.

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It started to make me think

about why is it really that

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I have this happening to me?

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Is it something that I'm doing wrong?

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Is it something that I should be changing?

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Is it about me?

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Am I the problem?

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As life has gone on, I realize that

we either have people in our life

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that want to support us, or we have

other people that are against us, and

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it doesn't mean that they're fully

against us meaning that they have

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pitchforks and they want to get us.

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They want to come to our house like

the Children of the Corn, if you ever

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watched that movie, but let's be real.

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Whether it's Freddy Krueger that invades

your dreams, or Jason Voorhees, it's

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really about figuring out what it is

that you have in your life that gives

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you the best perspective, allows you to

change your thought process, and have that

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curiosity about what life has to offer,

and figuring out that your words do indeed

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cast many different types of spells,

whether you believe it or not, and helping

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to understand why those words do matter.

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Michelle brings a perspective on

today's episode that really explains

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that we have this law of attraction.

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That law of attraction is based on so many

different avenues, so many different types

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of things that are going on in our life.

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It also means that we have to figure

out what are some other avenues

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for us to change the conversation.

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It isn't just about action.

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It isn't just about the non-verbal,

which we've spent a lot of time talking

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about, but it's also about the verbal.

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How can you create that chakra love

that helps you with your energy?

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It allows you to connect with various

personal truths about yourself.

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You can't do that alone.

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I know that I've said countless times

about the people, and the places,

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and the things ,that you need to

surround yourself with but there's one

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more thing that even after listening

to Michelle today, I have to add.

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It's about how all of those things

interconnect, how they all form the

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bond that you have inside yourself.

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It's the alchemy that changes that pain

into productive purpose, so it isn't

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just about the purpose that you have

in life, it's about how you create that

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productivity, and I love that Michelle

has repurposed her life in so many ways to

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become this wild heart of an individual.

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Her freedom that she's willing to explore,

her embracing of femininity, her ability

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to help others and see things that other

people might not normally see because

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of her playful curiosity, really changes

the status quo of why it's so important

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to be attuned, to be intuitive, to

be able to check in where things are

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placed, be able to move the things that

are around in your room, so that you

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don't feel as lonely as you once did.

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Even as you go through this today,

even if you feel like you're haunted

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by the ghost of past, I want you

to know that you're not alone.

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Michelle has even proved today

that you have to investigate

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this for your own liking.

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You have to figure out what

your support system is.

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You need to figure out what it means to

be centered; be able to co-create, but the

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biggest thing is that if there's something

holding you back, like an invisible

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illness, don't let it get the best of you.

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Yes, I said it that way because

sometimes we need to hear those words.

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We need to feel those words.

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Every single one of them.

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Do you hear each of those words?

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Do you hear them pulsating within you?

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It's almost like the beating of a

drum, and when you're beating to your

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own drum, when you're able to figure

out that witchy side of yourself, not

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in the black magic sense, but in a

way in which it allows you to create

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images, thoughts, feelings of things

that you never thought possible before.

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Isn't it magical how things change?

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Isn't it amazing how we can become the

best versions of ourselves by discovering

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how those energies all interconnect?

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I think that it might be about time

that you got your chemistry set out or

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go and purchase one, because when you

start to mix and match, you might be

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surprised of what kind of energy you

might be able to produce, and maybe if you

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find that magic formula, give it to us.

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Share that wisdom, share that wealth,

because maybe that will be helping

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you, and me, become the best version

of ourselves, all because you became

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curious, or, dare I say, playfully

curious, about your own self development.

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Thanks for listening to episode

number 162 of Speaking From the

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Heart, and I look forward to

hearing from your heart very soon.

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