What can two writers who aren't regular curlers teach us about our sport? A lot, actually. In this episode, we talk to writers and curling super fans Shane Ryan and Charles Star.

Shane Ryan writes about golf, sports, and culture. He is a regular contributor to Golf Digest, and you'll find his fresh takes in countless other outlets including Paste and the sorely missed Grantland. Ryan became a dedicated curling viewer during the pandemic, and shared his thoughts on the sport in Golf Digest.

Charles Star is a New York City attorney who says he would actually, "...pay $50 an hour to watch curling on TV." You'll hear what he means by that and get other unvarnished opinions from Star in this episode. Star hosts the Hostile Witness podcast, and you can find his writing on legal matters on Vice and Slate.

Find Shane Ryan on Twitter—he's @ShaneRyanHere. Find Charles Star @Ugarles.

Finally, listen to the end to get a rules idea that just might be brilliant. If it isn't, tell me why at dean.gemmell@usacurling.org.