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Navigating Politics: Misinformation, Racism, and Civic Engagement in the 2024 Election
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In this compelling episode of the 'Black Executive Perspective Podcast,' hosts Tony Tidbit, Chris P. Reed, and Dr. Nsenga Burton critically explore the multifaceted issues surrounding the upcoming 2024 presidential election. Key themes include the pervasive impact of misinformation, the role of civic education, and the intricate dynamics of race and gender in politics. The panel dissects presidential policies' long-term effects, the vice presidency's significance, and the judicial implications of election outcomes. They evaluate Kamala Harris’s qualifications and policy positions while scrutinizing common misconceptions about the GOP. This episode also tackles the broader implications of fear and rationality in political choices and delves into the complex landscape Black voters face. With their predictions for the election outcome and calls for civic engagement, the hosts encourage listeners to stay informed, vote wisely, and combat discrimination through empathy and education.

▶︎ In This Episode

00:00: The Importance of Voting

00:37: Introduction to the Podcast

01:20: Upcoming Presidential Election

02:37: Key Issues at Stake

04:56: Misinformation and Education

16:53: The Role of the Vice President

39:16: The Impact of Fear in Politics

45:21: Addressing Bias in Politics

45:52: Kamala Harris: Policies and Impact

47:26: Challenges and Criticisms

49:41: Entrepreneurship and Economic Policies

50:19: Healthcare and Social Justice Initiatives

53:44: Debating GOP Policies

57:28: Black Voter Dynamics

01:10:08: Election Predictions and Implications

01:15:16: Final Thoughts and Call to Action


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Tony Tidbit:

The last thing I want to hear from anybody is I didn't vote, right?

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And if you didn't vote, you

ain't got nothing to say.

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Don't even show up tonight, but

you ain't got nothing to say.

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You ain't got, you can't complain.

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Can't do nothing because

this is your one day.

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To show and exercise your citizenship

here in the United States.

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So make sure that you go out and vote.

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It's the most important

thing that you can do.

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And it's an important

thing for our democracy.

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We'll discuss race and how it plays

a factor and how we didn't even talk

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about this topic because we were afraid.

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BEP Narrator: A black

executive perspective.

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Tony Tidbit: Welcome to a black executive

perspective podcast, the safe space where

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we discuss all matters related to race,

especially race in corporate America.

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I'm your

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Chris P. Reed: host, Tony Tidbit.

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And I'm your cohost, Chris P.

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Reed.

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We want to always start out by giving

a shout out to our partners at CODE

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M Magazine CODE M Magazine, where

their mission is saving the black

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family by first saving the black man.

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That is CodeM Magazine, 2Ms.

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com, CodeM Magazine.

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Make sure you check them out.

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Tony Tidbit: Yeah, definitely

make sure you check them out.

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And today we want you to check

out what we're going to do.

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So my partners in crime, Chris P.

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Reed and the Dr.

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Nsenga Burton, our contributor

on Need to Know each Thursday.

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And I will delve into crucial discussion

on the upcoming presidential election.

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So we're going to dive into it.

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We're going to scrutinize the major

issues, the policies at stake.

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We're going to cover the defining

platforms of both candidates and evaluate

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their impact across various demographics.

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More importantly, we'll examine the

complexities of voter engagement and the

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controversies influencing the political

landscape and discuss the broader

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implications of the election results.

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Dr.

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Nsenga Burton, Chris P.

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Reed, welcome to a Black

Executive Perspective Podcast.

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You guys ready to talk about this or what?

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We are.

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Yeah,

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you just smiling doctor, Dr.

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Dr.

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Burton let's go.

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I can't wait.

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, she talking about the bit.

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I could tell it's gonna

be some trouble though.

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Look, she, she ain't never lost

for, she ain't never lost she words.

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Right.

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So I was thrown up.

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I was like, what?

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She ain't saying nothing, right?

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She just smiling.

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She herself,

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Chris P. Reed: she came subtle.

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She's subtle like a bankrupt.

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Okay.

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Alright, so you

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Tony Tidbit: I love it.

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Alright, so.

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Threw, threw me off big time.

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Okay.

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So you guys ready to talk about it?

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Let's talk about it.

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So, Dr.

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Burton, I'm gonna go right to you, right?

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My question is, what are the key

issues at stake in this election

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based on your perspective?

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Well, I think

the key issues at stake one, uh.

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The biggest issue as it relates

to the entire election is

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misinformation and disinformation.

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Um, I think that there's so many

conspiracy theories floating around about

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so many different things that it's hard

for people to parse, uh, between them

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and to figure out what's true and what's

accurate and what's right and what's wrong

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and who's doing what and what have you.

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So I think that's a major issue

that's impacting, um, this

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campaign, uh, uh, on both sides.

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I think some of it's being, uh, trumpeted

by, uh, one particular side more so

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than, um, By the way, I'll just say

the Republicans, um, that are running

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for office, not all Republicans,

just the ones that are running for

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office for this particular office.

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Uh, and that is a major problem.

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I think another issue is women's rights.

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Um, obviously, uh, you know, the threat

of a federal abortion ban, you know,

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against abortion period, uh, with no

exceptions, no exceptions to the rule.

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And we've already seen, um, several

cases where that, you know, That plays

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out and where people, uh, particularly

black women in the two most high

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profile cases have lost their lives,

um, because of their lack of access to,

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uh, abortion and, uh, to follow up care.

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Um, so I think that that's a major issue.

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Um, I think the economy is a major issue.

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Um, we've added a lot of jobs this year.

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This last quarter, which is good.

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Um, and so it seems like it's going in

the right direction, but with some of

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the, uh, ideas that are being kicked

around by both parties, you know, I

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guess, depending on where you where

you stand, it can be problematic in

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terms of are we going to go backwards?

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Are we going to hit?

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Truly in a different direction.

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If we have one candidate, are we

going to continue on this path?

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And is it really good for us if we

continue with the same party in office?

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So I think those are the major issues.

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Oh, and then, of course, immigration,

but we can talk about that later.

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Immigration is, I think, a

defining issue, particularly as

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much space as it has claimed.

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So I'll stop.

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Tony Tidbit: Okay.

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I mean, you covered a lot my

girls, to be honest with you.

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I was, I was thinking that the

immigration, but then I was like,

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did she, and then you, Oh no.

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And immigration.

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I was like, she got them all.

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Okay.

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So Chris P.

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Reed,

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Chris P. Reed: what's

your thoughts, my brother?

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I think that as opposed to

misinformation, it's just pure education.

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So when you look at basic blocking

and tackling grade school, you earn,

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you learn about, Politics or the

government in three forms, legislative,

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executive and judicial, right?

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And so a lot of people tend to

the key is, or the game is to make

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you forget about that and make you

think that the macro presidency

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is all powerful, all encompassing.

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So, what happens is Barack Obama is

running and don't worry, even if he wins,

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he can't do anything because there's so

many different layers and levels and and

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puts and calls that you have to make in

order to make effective policy change.

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Donald Trump is running.

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He can magically wand change

everything because the president

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has, you know, innumerable powers

to be, you know, exonerated man.

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So, so the issue is when you look at

the executive, you know, uh, thing

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is your mayors, your governors, your

presidents, then you got your judges on

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the judicial side, which is appointed,

which can be appointed, which he did that

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with the Supreme Court justices, right?

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Which led to certain things from a

judicial perspective, which is Congress,

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City Council, blah, blah, blah.

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Those are shorter terms,

but we don't focus on that.

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Everybody thinks that politics and

election cycles are presidential.

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And we've been duped to believe that it's

a one time, end all, be all, every four

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years, like a leap year type situation.

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I don't have to worry about any

of this stuff for four more years,

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and that's where we lose our way.

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I think that those, that miseducation,

or that misinformation, or the lack of

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design or desire by the people, that's To

really understand the power that they have

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is part of the issue that we run into.

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Now, obviously a political party is

different than a, a special interest

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group, but for whatever reason the

GOP has melded that dynamic into one

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consolidated deal where you have special

interest group, uh, uh, affinities

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being presented as political platforms.

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And that's why it's so confusing

is because they're hodgepodge

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and all this stuff together.

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And you don't know where

you're coming or going.

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So, basically, you cover your

eyes and select somebody and

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that's what they want, right?

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You know what I'm saying?

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I mean, I'm simplifying the hell out

of it just for the sake of making

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sure we meet people where they are,

but that's ultimately the game.

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Tony Tidbit: Right.

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Let me ask you guys both a follow up

question and I'm going to go back to Dr.

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Burton because you, you laid

out the, the issues at stake.

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And then Chris, you took it to

another level in terms of the

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American people, lack of information,

a lack of more ignorance in terms

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of how the political system works.

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Right.

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So Dr.

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Burton, you talked about.

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Um, you said, um, a

woman's right to choose.

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You said the economy.

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You also said misinformation.

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Um, you said immigration.

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Um, this, so, and you said

something else, but I, I forgot.

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But let me ask you this.

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Going back to Chris's point, a lot

of people, unfortunately, because

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they're not educated really on how

the president's, it CEO position.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And understanding that the United

States, if we had to make it in

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simplistic terms from a Navy, from a,

from a ship standpoint, it's like, I

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don't want to use the word tight, but

it's a big, it's an aircraft carrier.

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Let's look at it like that, right?

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Where at the end of the day, for it to

make any moves, to do anything right

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or left, or anything that happens,

it takes time for those things to

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actually, those policies that may

be put in place, may not show up.

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for three, four years

later down the road, right?

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So, so when we talk about misinformation

and then I'm going to dovetail it to

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education, a lot of people think in

Chris's point of view, at least from

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Donald Trump's supporters, that he's

going to come in and he's going to

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make, he's going to do a couple moves

in the economy is going to be great.

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He's going to do a couple moves in

the war in Ukraine is going to end.

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He's going to do a couple moves and,

um, um, you know, immigration, you

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know, he said he's going to come in and

he's, it's the second day he's going

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to deport 15 million people, right?

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Which we know he can't do, right?

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We know if we, if we back up, he inherited

when back in:

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inherited an economy from Barack Obama.

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Okay?

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See, nobody wants to

talk about that, right?

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But he has people thinking

that he came and fixed an

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economy, which he didn't, right?

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And that's not, look, let's be fair.

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Presidents and me and Chris, you and I

talked about this a few weeks ago, right?

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When you get in the seat.

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Whatever happens on your watch, you either

take credit for or you get the blame for.

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Okay.

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And so at the end of the day, there's not

a lot that you can do immediately, right?

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Cause what's going to happen, whatever

policies you in, you institute

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are going to show up later because

again, this is an aircraft carrier.

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This is the Titanic.

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It takes a lot.

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Nobody can snap a finger

and things change.

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So Dr.

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Burton talk a little bit about.

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The educational process, because

there's going to be people who

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are going to go cast a vote.

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And we want to make sure that they

understand, regardless of who they vote

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for, but they understand that the person

that they're going to vote for, and

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it may be a certain policy or platform

that's important to them, but just

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recognize how the system actually works.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Yeah, that's

a great point that you're

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raising and that Chris raised.

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Uh, it is really, um,

disheartening to see how,

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Ill informed so many of us are because

we spend a lot of time on civics in the

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public school system And actually in

the private school system, too We call

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the civics, you know history things of

that nature and that's where you learn

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about the branches of government and the

branches of government are really supposed

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to be checks and balances right and the

press is the next you know fourth estate

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because it's the checks and balances

of the Three branches of government.

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So you don't have to go to college

to know that you don't actually

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even have to make it to high school.

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All you have to do is pay attention

in elementary and middle school and

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you should know that information.

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You should also know how

a bill becomes a law.

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So we had schoolhouse

rock, just a little bit.

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I was just about to,

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Tony Tidbit: I got some milk,

I'm only a hill, and I'm

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sitting here on Capitol Hill.

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Yeah, that was our stuff.

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I still

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: remember,

that was our stuff.

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Yes, yes, so we, we had that kind of

programming too, and there weren't like

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a billion channels and stuff like that.

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So it was just a different time,

so we can romanticize it or

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whatever, but, um, somebody would

call me revisionist, because.

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It was so far away.

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It was so far removed.

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But what I'm saying was there was a

time when we were intentionally teaching

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about civics when we were, when it

was reinforced in our programming,

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um, when I, you know, and it was

children's programming and it was made

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for kids and things of that nature.

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It's a different day.

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Like that's just not happening.

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Um, and a lot of people are just

not paying attention, but I think a

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lot of people, um, are engaging what

we call willful ignorance, right?

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Because the minute that Chris said, you

know, the three branches of government

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immediately I went back to Ms.

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Mack.

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Immediately, right.

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I went back to Ms.

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Mac.

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Chris P. Reed: Right, right, right.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Um, you know,

I, I, I remembered her specifically

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and how she taught us that.

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Um, so I think people are engaging

in willful ignorance 'cause, because

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they are being driven by other things.

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Right.

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And so maybe it's xenophobia, if you

think about immigration, maybe it's,

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uh, sexism, if you think about this

assault or is this attack on women's

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rights to their full, uh, healthcare.

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Right.

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Their whole healthcare.

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Um.

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Uh, their bodies, uh, there are

other things that are really driving

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this, what I call willful ignorance

and people don't want to admit it.

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Right.

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So they're like, Oh, I'm going to

vote for Trump for the economy.

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No, you gotta vote for Trump.

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Cause you don't like immigrants.

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Cause you think they took your job that

you didn't go and try to get anyway.

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Tony Tidbit: Right.

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Right.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Cause you've

been inheriting jobs for 400 years.

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Sorry, Tony.

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Tony Tidbit: No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Inheritance

in jobs for 40 years.

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Now you got to compete for your

job and you're pissed about it.

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Cause now you're in a generation that

actually has to compete for the job and

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didn't inherit the job and didn't have,

you know, and you have competition because

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people before you didn't have competition

because there were laws in the books that

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discriminated against whole populations

of people, whether it's blacks, you

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know, Catholics just fill in the blank.

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Right.

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Just fill in the blank.

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So now you're mad because you got,

this is my personal opinion because

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you got to do what the rest of us have

been doing and that is compete for the

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job and get it or maybe not get it.

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That's kind of what happens.

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Compete for the spot.

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Maybe you get it.

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Maybe you don't.

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Maybe the service takes you.

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Maybe they don't.

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You got to show up though.

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Right.

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Right.

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Um, and so I think a lot of

things are driving others.

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Other things, ideological things.

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belief systems are driving, um, this

willful ignorance, um, that is leading

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to disinformation, which is a campaign

to intentionally spread misinformation

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in order to confuse people, which is

what Chris is talking about, right?

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And to get them away from the basic

tenets of government, how it works, right?

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Who the president is, what

their role is, what their reach

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is, even the vice president.

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I mean, we've seen that with Kamala,

you know, them blaming everything on

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her over the last, you know, four years.

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And we're like, I'm like, so can you,

you know, just tell me, um, what the

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last vice president, what it might be.

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Yeah.

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What, what vice president

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Tony Tidbit: writes?

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Yeah.

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What vice president writes policy.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Right.

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Right.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm confused.

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I'm still waiting.

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I mean, you know, it doesn't

matter which party, but I just

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want you to name something.

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Exactly.

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I mean, Al Gore says he

invented the internet.

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Right.

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So, um, And that's a joke, people.

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It's a joke.

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It's a joke.

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But, you know, I'm like, seriously,

when you're a vice president, your job

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is to support the president and their

policies and to help him, her, hopefully

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her one day to enact those policies,

um, in the way that they see fit.

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And that has to happen by going through

Congress and all kinds of things.

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Right.

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And then we have state governments,

which nobody wants to talk about either.

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Right.

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So.

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Um, I think that is the, the, the thing

that we have to talk about, right?

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What is it that is driving people so

forcefully such that they are just

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unwilling to pay attention to what

the reality is of these offices.

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Chris P. Reed: Right?

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What does

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: it mean, you

know, uh, why, like, why, why would

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you vote against your own interests?

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Right?

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Right, right.

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If you are a pro immigration,

why are you voting?

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Then why are you voting for Trump?

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It might be because you're a sexist.

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It might be right.

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Or maybe you like one of those

people close the door behind you.

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Right.

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Right.

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And as an immigrant, you don't need

no more, you know, that kind of stuff.

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Cause your mindset changes, right?

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Just admit what it is, but stop pretending

that you actually know something, um,

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um, that you don't know and stop hiding

behind these conspiracy theories.

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And I would say these political

parties and really say what

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it is that is driving you.

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Tony Tidbit: Chris, what,

uh, piggyback on that.

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So what do you think?

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What do you think?

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Based on what Dr.

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Burton just got for just saying that,

at the end of the day, people talk,

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they can talk policies, they can

talk, I believe in this, I believe

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in that, but do you believe net net?

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thing was a grievance that they may

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Chris P. Reed: I believe that people

don't know or understand the concept of

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voting and the power that voting has.

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And so one thing I will say before we

get too far away from this, I am of

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the opinion that the vice presidency

symbolizes, uh, business continuity

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and strength, another layer of

support in case something does and

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has happened to presidents in past.

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Right.

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You know, both Lincoln and Kennedy had

VPs named Johnson that came in and took

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the helm after they were assassinated.

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Those type of deals.

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Not that this is going to be that at all.

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I'm not casting any spells, but the

moral of the story is that's the the

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vice president has to stay at the ready.

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To take the helm with confidence

and show global confidence.

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And that's the biggest Burton

that the vice president holds.

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And that's why I give them so much

grace in the background where they

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don't need to be all in the camera

and doing all this and all that,

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because they getting ready constantly.

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So, that's number 1, but the other thing,

Tony, is that, um, I believe that people

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are now lemons in the idea of just,

uh, unfortunately, we should have life.

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I'm sorry, art imitating life and

because of reality TV and sensationalism

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and, and it's been like that since,

you know, the early newspaper,

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we did this in Wilmington's lie.

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Right?

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Uh, people tend to have

a life imitating art.

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Somebody comes up with something

and you see it and you think,

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oh, that could happen here.

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That could be this.

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You're not doing the math at all.

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They don't know.

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Like Dr burton said, they don't know the

specifics of why they're doing things.

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They make it an emotional push.

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But they don't realize the trickle

down effect of an emotional

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immediate decision as it cascades.

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And the reason why this checks and

balance is not working as constructed

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is because you have a candidate that

threatens people verbally and openly

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if they don't abide by what he feels

they should be doing, even though he

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has no prerequisite understanding.

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Of their roles or their jobs, even though

he has no backing, no education, no frame

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of reference as to how that should work.

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It's so many generals and, and, uh,

high profile people who have come on

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and said, this person is absolutely

incompetent to lead me and the

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division of people in which I lead yet.

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It's entertaining to see

this drama play out on TV.

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If people really do believe it's a reality

show, so, so that is, that is the, the,

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the, the hardest part as a historian.

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The one thing I'll say here at this point.

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Some the hypocrisy we I know we

don't have time to get into that.

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And I know that's one of her.

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I know that's one of your pet peeves.

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Dr.

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The hypocrisy is outrageous.

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But the concept of I'm all

about the Constitution until

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it's not fitting my needs.

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And then we need to change things

and be progressive when I got George

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Washington had a quote where he said,

um, the common and continual mischiefs

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of the spirit of a party serves

always to distract the public council.

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So And in feeble, the public

administration, he was against

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parties because he knew

this kind of stuff happens.

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And what a lot of people don't

realize at this point in time is

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there are dozens of other parties.

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There's libertarians, there's tea

parties, there's green parties,

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there's there's been other parties,

and if they get 5 percent vote,

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they can get federal funding.

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But the desire for control a party's

design is to control the government.

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This is not about you and me and her and

rights and this, this is about control.

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Let's just keep it above.

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This is about people trying to

figure out how to manipulate and

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stranglehold the control of the U.

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S.

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budget, the U.

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power, the U.

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interest rate.

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As they see fit.

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Tony Tidbit: So, and, and, buddy, I

mean, you guys, what you've been doing

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all day, you guys have been pent up.

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Coming on strong.

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All right.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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So, I, I want to come back to that

because I, I, I want to, let's put

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a pin in that because I want to

come back to your last statement.

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Let's go here.

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So, Dr.

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Burton, I'm going to go back to you.

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All right.

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I know you're ready.

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Okay.

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So how does this election compare

to the previous one in terms of the

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importance and the public interest in it?

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What's your thoughts?

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This

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: election is

important because this next person

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is going to probably appoint, um,

one to two Supreme Court justices.

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They also are going to have the

ability to put justices, um, uh, judges

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in different, um, um, categories.

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Tony Tidbit: At the federal

Supreme Court level.

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At different levels, thank you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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At different levels.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Um, um, some

of them are lifetime appointments.

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You know, the Supreme Court doesn't

only have lifetime appointments.

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Um, and so I think that's what, what was

important about the last election and

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what's important about this election.

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I also think that, um, this election

is important because we have to,

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it's kind of a test to see how far

you can go with misinformation and

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disinformation and when on the election.

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You know, that is this important

because even though, you know, we

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know the president doesn't work alone.

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Um, you know, the United States

president is considered the most

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powerful office in the land.

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Right?

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And so that is going to communicate,

you know, across the waters, you

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know, what kind of country we are,

what we're made of and who we are.

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The majority of us, anyway, who

participate in the voting process.

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Um, All right, so I think

that that's important.

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And I think the same thing that

was with the last election election

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before that is the electoral college.

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Um, you know, does it really fit?

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You know, when we think about the

Constitution, does it still fit it?

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It really doesn't.

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I mean, can you win the popular

vote and still lose the election?

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Yes, we've seen it before.

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We could see it again.

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Um, and is that really reflective of what

we say we are as a country where every

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person, you know, each person, one vote?

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So, um, I think those are the

things that are on the ballot.

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Um, and then of course, women's rights,

which I, which I've said before,

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you know, are we going to be okay?

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Um, Going backwards when we

know what that looks like.

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We have the history.

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We have the data, uh, to show

that it was awful for women.

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It was awful for whole families.

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It wasn't just the women.

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It was their Children.

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It was their spouses.

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It was all things.

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Um, but it was awful.

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Um, but are we going to go back to that?

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And if so, then what does

this nation look like?

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You know, I mean, when other nations, I

mean, Ireland has a lot of You know, like,

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and it's a very, very Roman Catholic,

um, but you know, can't ever foresee

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what people need in terms of health.

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Um, and to just have that one thing,

um, and not to minimize it, you

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know, cause I know people feel very

strongly about it, but to have that

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one thing in terms of the whole

comprehensive, um, um, idea of women's

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health or reality of women's health.

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That's what I meant.

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Reality of women's health.

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Um, to have that one thing, making

that determination and how it

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affects women in so many different

ways, um, and families is, is nuts.

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So I think those are the things

that we should have been thinking

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about in the last election.

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Um, and things that we should be thinking

about in this particular election,

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because that is what's on the ballot.

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Our future is on the ballot.

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Chris P. Reed: Right, right.

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Chris, same question.

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Um, I think that, you know, one of

the things that's on display here

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is what America we are, right?

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And so the concept of I used to

really fear as an educated person,

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the things that could be done in

anonymity, like the electoral college,

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you don't have a checks and balance.

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We talked about, she brought it

up, you know, that Burton brought

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it up to checks and balance.

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Well, that operating in the

background, Donald Trump has

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never won the public election.

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Just keep that in mind.

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You need a popular vote.

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Popular popular election.

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So the anonymity that the

electoral college can move

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in is very suspicious of me.

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But now we add on to the fact that the

transformation of the GOP audaciously,

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it's not just anonymous anymore.

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They audaciously say whatever

they want to say and say, I get

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to say whatever I want to say.

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I get to do whatever I

want to do with impunity.

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The danger of switching to a government

that is operating under that auspices.

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Is more pivotal to me than anything

else because and we had this show before

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Tony, where you was like, you know,

who he is, you know, how he get down.

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That's just what he's going to do.

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And I'm saying, because you got to

dress for the occasion at some point.

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And we can't just let people

run a month because we know

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that they act to ask sometimes.

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No, this is not the platform for that.

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And we have more and more

people coming at the woodworks.

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Now, the pivotal aspect

of this election is.

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Yeah.

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It is my hope that we can return to

some semblance of civility if this

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man loses and lets it go, caveat, and

lets it go, because I don't believe

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anyone, we haven't had enough time to

cultivate a Junior Trump mentality.

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It's a lot of pretenders out

there that act Trump is, but

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it's hard to be that foolish.

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You know what I'm saying?

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In a short amount of time

in your adulthood, right?

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It's

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: hard

to live in Georgia.

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So get married, you know, Taylor green

down Marjorie Taylor green down here.

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Chris P. Reed: So, okay.

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You're right.

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You're right.

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I just saw something.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, they close.

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But go ahead.

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Chris.

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But the idea of that type of.

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Of ignorance or that type of

proliferation of misinformation or once

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again, xenophobia, like some of the

things that he rides out with is the

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worst part of any society, not just

ours, any society doesn't want that.

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And that's some of his, it's not,

I'm not gonna say it's a platform

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because that's irresponsible to

say, but if you start listening.

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There's nothing that says

presidential or classic political U.

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S.

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political structure about the

things that he represents.

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And once again, if you understand

enough, you realize these are interest

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group type of dynamics as opposed to

political party, bringing the country

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together, galvanizing the citizens.

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He's segmenting and separating

every chance he gets.

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And now we have a divided line.

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I'm not gonna go so far as to say

civil war, but we have a dividing

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line to where this is going

to show which team you're on,

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Tony Tidbit: right?

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Right.

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You know, let, let, so here's the thing.

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Um, and so Chris, I just want to,

I want to pick up, I'm going to,

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I'm going to answer, cause I have

my own thoughts with this question.

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So, but number one is, is this recognize

one thing, um, you know, your crew.

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If you don't have a crew,

then you can't act up.

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But if you have a crew, you can act up.

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So in other words, the reason he can

do what he does, because he's got

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a ton of people that's behind him.

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Okay.

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And so you have to go

deeper than just him.

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Okay, because the bottom line is it,

you know, it goes back and see, here's

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the thing, and I'm a historian too,

not on a level you Chris, you Dr.

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Burton, but I just been around long

enough and I remember how things were

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and you know, and I, I've studied

history and the whole nine yards.

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You know, people don't recognize

that when, when John F.

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Kennedy Jr.

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was the president, was the president.

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He was having affairs left and right.

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Okay.

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But the, and the press knew about it, but

they would never report on it because they

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felt that that was his personal business.

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All right.

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So think about how we

went from:

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I remember what was the dude's name?

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Uh, he was about to run for president,

Gary, uh, whatever his name was.

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And then he Gary Hart.

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Okay.

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And there was just a picture of him and

Donna Rice on a yacht and done finished.

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His career was over.

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Just the look of it in priority was done.

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Okay.

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Cause the country wasn't

dealing with that.

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Now you have somebody that can

say anything they want to say, lie

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repeatedly, repeatedly, put his own

citizens in harm's way by his lies.

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And guess what?

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People accept it.

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You see?

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So how much is that him?

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And how much is that us as a society,

you see, because buddy, I know you,

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you, you, you're like, Whoa, but wait

a minute, because I just talked about,

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and I just gave you small examples.

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I just talked about years ago where

this type of stuff wasn't even, you

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couldn't, but he couldn't run for mailman.

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Okay.

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With that type of stuff.

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Right.

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So I'd love to hear you

guys thoughts on that.

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Chris P. Reed: I'll say this.

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Ronald Reagan was the first

divorce president, right?

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And that big that's because the

rate of divorce had increased.

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And so it could identify more

with people who had marriages that

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just happened to not work out.

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Nancy ended up being a wonderful

woman, God rest her soul.

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Um, but those types of things where I,

America tried to identify its leader

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with its own dirty laundry, its own

encompassing personalities has run amok.

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And the idea of this man had

an affair with a porn star

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while his wife was pregnant.

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That has become public that the

if it was just the affair, if it

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was just a picture on a yacht, I

would be like, Oh, no, no, no, no.

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Tony Tidbit: But Chris, my point

is, this is way worse than that.

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But that's my point though, right?

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It is way worse, but the

people are accepting of it.

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Dr.

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Burton, let me get your thoughts in it.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: I think that, you

know, you know, former president Trump

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holds a mirror up to society and,

you know, exactly lost the last time

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people were like, Oh, if, you know,

cause it looked like it was going to

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be so close and it was like, Oh, it's

the last gasp, but by these, you know,

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um, racist, white supremacist, sexist,

Patriarchal, xenophobes, anti LGBT.

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This is the last gasp.

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We're getting rid of those people.

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The society is going to

be what we want it to be.

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It's going to look like the real world.

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All the things.

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I remember all the pundits

talking about this.

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And what it did, his election

and the subsequent loss, which

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he lied about repeatedly.

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Is really fuel those very people that

they thought were going to go away

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or were going to die off or whatever.

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And it actually freed those people

who have been quietly like that.

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Right, but they still want a job.

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They still want to live

in a certain neighborhood.

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They still want to go

to a particular church.

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You know, they still want their kids

to play with a certain person's kids

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because that's good for them at work.

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But they've kept all of that, that

those evil and hateful parts of them

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hidden and their thoughts hidden or, you

know, they, they think they have safe.

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What I call people of color, right?

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So Tony, you're great.

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Cause you're a different black guy from

the rest of them, you know, that kind of

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stuff, one black friend, they might adopt.

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We're going to talk about

this to Tony tomorrow.

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They might adopt a black kid,

especially from overseas.

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Right.

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To kind of give these kinds of cues that

they're, they're just like everyone else.

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And then you start talking to

them and listening to them.

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And you're like, wait a damn second.

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I had this experience earlier today.

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I know this for a fact,

this is my experience.

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But I had it today where I was.

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I was like, wait, is this,

so I texted someone, I said,

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is someone so mentally ill?

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You know, like literally just went off the

rails about some conspiracy theory stuff.

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And I was just really shocked by it.

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Um, because the person, you know,

educating all the things, but then

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I realized, oh, that's who she is.

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Tony Tidbit: Really is

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Dr. Nsenga Burton:

hidden it from me, right?

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I don't get down like that, which is

why I was like, I'm about to cut her.

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Is there something else I need to know?

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Because we can't talk no more.

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But, um, yeah, so I think that

he freed those people to really

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embrace what they believe the whole

time would, um, you know, these

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hateful things that empower them.

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Right.

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See, I told you those people weren't

good people, so that's why they

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don't need to have access to jobs.

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That's why they don't need

to have access to education.

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They don't know what to do with it anyway.

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You talk about Ronald Reagan, about when

John Wayne famously said that, you know,

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the natives were sitting over here,

and this is on Indigenous Peoples Day.

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Happy Indigenous Peoples Day to people.

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But the natives were sitting over here

doing nothing with the land, so we

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had to come take it so we could teach

them what they needed to do with it.

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That kind of mentality.

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And I think that's what's shocking, Tony.

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Um, when, especially when you live in a

bubble, because we all live in bubbles,

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nobody wants to talk about that either.

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So like whoever your crew is.

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That's your crew.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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That's why you get shocked when you think

your crew is this and then they they're

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like, oh, I'll vote for this person

or I believe this or I believe that or

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I'm against this or I'm against that.

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And you're just like, wait a second.

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I thought you thought we were like,

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Tony Tidbit: that is that's

an excellent, excellent point.

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Excellent point.

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And we've all.

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And listen, I, I'm, I'm American.

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You can vote for anybody

you want to believe, right?

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But to your point, when you look at

people and you think, when you hear them

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and you, and you hear their rhetoric,

and then all of a sudden they say that,

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they say something, and then you look

at them and they actually believe it.

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And you're like, you're not

who I thought you were, right?

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And it's a big, it's

especially these last.

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10 years or so.

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Chris, jump in, buddy.

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Chris P. Reed: I need Dr.

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Burton to give me a vocabulary lesson.

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And so unfortunately I need you to go into

a mind of a woman, a female in the concept

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of how do you convince me that racism

is actually xenophobia when the fact is

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you and your running mate have spouses.

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That are from, that are from, or,

or, or one removed from who are

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immigrants, who are immigrants, and

it's not, so that's not xenophobia.

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Let's just specifically talk

about Donald Trump xenophobia.

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If people don't notice, it's a fear

of foreign people, foreign interest,

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foreign domination, blah, blah, blah.

777

:

Racism is, is his, in his

perspective is black and brown.

778

:

So he's cool.

779

:

He's cool enough to marry a foreigner,

but talks about foreigners like dogs.

780

:

How does she reconcile that in

her own spirit, in her own mind?

781

:

And my husband is constantly talking

about other countries like dogs.

782

:

Yet I'm not from this

country or of this country

783

:

Dr. Nsenga Burton: because anti black

racism is pervasive It's worldwide

784

:

the more you travel even and when you

go to the continent when you go to

785

:

the continent, um, you know I mean,

it's shockingly, uh, uh, present.

786

:

Um, anti black racism is the one

thing that the rest of the world

787

:

has and they have in common.

788

:

And that is why we allow for

789

:

Chris P. Reed: them to call it xenophobia

instead of just calling a spade a spade.

790

:

Ironically.

791

:

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Well, I think

what he's doing, like targeting

792

:

certain groups, like the Haitians.

793

:

Right?

794

:

Because that is racism and

that's xenophobia, right?

795

:

Because they're black.

796

:

So, you know, and I think that people

have a very different idea, even how

797

:

people come over to the United States in

terms of what the policies are, right?

798

:

So, you know, if you are a white or

European, like Melania is, you know,

799

:

white presenting, that's what I'll

say, white presenting immigrant,

800

:

um, then, you know, people are like,

cool, because, you know, you come

801

:

over and until she starts talking,

she looks like, you know, Absolutely.

802

:

Chris P. Reed: She could pass.

803

:

It looks like.

804

:

Sarah Jane.

805

:

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Right.

806

:

But then they're saying, yes, yes.

807

:

And so they went, but when other folks

come over and, um, they look like us,

808

:

black people, or I would say multiracial,

or, you know, like, you know, the young

809

:

people call exoticals or whatever you

want to say, um, all of these things,

810

:

they're like, wait, wait a second.

811

:

This is changing the

look and feel of America.

812

:

This is changing.

813

:

It's moving too far.

814

:

Um, and so what they do is couch it in

terms of, um, People taking things, right?

815

:

Taking things.

816

:

Oh, they come over here and I can't get

any money when I'm down on my luck, but

817

:

they can come over here and get social

security numbers and money and housing

818

:

and food and all this kind of stuff.

819

:

We can't get anything, you

know, which we know is not true.

820

:

I mean, you do have to be on your ass

to get anything in the United States.

821

:

That is true.

822

:

But, um, but, you know, when people are

trying to escape certain situations,

823

:

um, you know, that's not necessarily

true when we think about those things.

824

:

Um, But I'm just saying, when we

think about what they do, right, it's

825

:

like, oh, they're taking your jobs.

826

:

So they don't want to say, oh,

it's because these people are from

827

:

Mexico or from Central America.

828

:

Oh, they're criminals.

829

:

They're coming over here and

killing our people, right?

830

:

You know, like the, the young woman,

unfortunately, who was killed in Georgia

831

:

that they've now made a political issue.

832

:

And, you know, people are like, oh,

they were from out of the country.

833

:

Well, they, the, the killer's

brother worked at UGA.

834

:

So I'm like, well, how do you

get a job at the governor's alma

835

:

mater if he's so anti immigrant?

836

:

It was okay for him to work there.

837

:

As long as he's doing that, but, you

know, if he's not working for you for

838

:

whatever, you know, whatever you want,

um, for whatever fees or whatever, um,

839

:

that you think is desirable for you,

then they have no use and that's just.

840

:

Tony Tidbit: So let me,

let me ask you guys this.

841

:

So what I'm hearing,

842

:

and while I'm listening to both

of you, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm,

843

:

uh, reflecting on certain things

that I've seen on television.

844

:

Um, I don't know if you guys

ever remember the Twilight Zone.

845

:

You ever watch Twilight Zone

with Rod Sterling, right?

846

:

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Absolutely.

847

:

And then there was this I watch

it every weekend, actually.

848

:

Tony Tidbit: Okay.

849

:

So there was this

850

:

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Science fiction.

851

:

Tony Tidbit: I saw this

episode, I probably was 15, 16.

852

:

And you know, Twilight Zone was made

in the late 50s, early 60s, right?

853

:

And they had this one episode

where the TV, I mean, the show

854

:

comes on and this group of people,

they're having dinner together.

855

:

Right.

856

:

And they're all around the table

and they're having a good time.

857

:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

858

:

Then all of a sudden the kid runs in and

said, Daddy, I just heard on the radio

859

:

that, um, I think we're under attack.

860

:

Right.

861

:

And everybody's like, what?

862

:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

863

:

Right.

864

:

And so they break out and

they think they're being, uh,

865

:

this was the nuclear scare.

866

:

Right.

867

:

So this is back in the day

where everybody, so the one

868

:

person, uh, had a bomb shelter.

869

:

Okay.

870

:

The neighbor.

871

:

Right.

872

:

And all of a sudden these people.

873

:

That we're best friends.

874

:

Best friends having dinner together.

875

:

One of them was a Mexican.

876

:

Okay.

877

:

And then the dude, and then they were

trying to get into the bomb shelter.

878

:

My man, the neighbor, right?

879

:

And he wouldn't let him in.

880

:

And then the dude turned to the dude, he

was hugging and said, it's your fault.

881

:

You came over this guy

and then socked them.

882

:

All right.

883

:

And they were just friends.

884

:

Why do I bring that up?

885

:

I'll tell you why, because

what I'm hearing from you guys.

886

:

As esteem as you are, as smart as you are,

what I'm hearing is policy don't matter.

887

:

Execution don't matter.

888

:

What this election is

about the sum of all fears.

889

:

Okay.

890

:

It's about getting people to be afraid.

891

:

Okay.

892

:

And when people are

afraid, they're irrational.

893

:

Facts don't matter.

894

:

Disinformation goes out of the way side.

895

:

Okay.

896

:

Policies don't matter.

897

:

It doesn't matter because

now it's all about fear.

898

:

They're going to take this from you.

899

:

They're coming in this country.

900

:

They're doing this.

901

:

They're going to rob you.

902

:

And so even the most rational, I still

see that picture of people sitting

903

:

around the table, having dinner together.

904

:

Now, They're not friends no longer.

905

:

They're not neighbors.

906

:

Now they're enemies because now I don't

see you as my neighbor, as a fellow

907

:

American, I see you in my dreams as

something that's going to take from me.

908

:

And I don't want it.

909

:

And it comes out and I'm voting this

way because it doesn't matter if

910

:

this person lies, doesn't matter.

911

:

He's been convicted.

912

:

It doesn't matter that he tried

an insurrection, all those things

913

:

that we should be afraid of.

914

:

It shouldn't even be a contest.

915

:

Okay.

916

:

It shouldn't even be a contest.

917

:

All those things that we should,

from a rational standpoint,

918

:

we should be afraid of.

919

:

We're not even thinking about that now

because he's going to save me from them.

920

:

Let me hear you guys thoughts on that.

921

:

Chris P. Reed: I'll let

you go first, ma'am.

922

:

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Yeah,

I mean, I think it's true.

923

:

I was sitting here thinking about,

um, why I used to teach a class called

924

:

intercultural communication, which we

talked about these kinds of issues.

925

:

And at the beginning of the class, I

used to ask, what would you be, what

926

:

are you willing to give up so this,

so that other people can be free?

927

:

Right.

928

:

And at the end of the class,

after, you know, 16 weeks, I'd ask,

929

:

what are you willing to give up?

930

:

So, and this is after all the teaching

and learning, all the teaching and

931

:

learning, all the teaching and learning,

all the wonderful experiences, all

932

:

the things, the answer never changed.

933

:

It's nothing.

934

:

It's nothing.

935

:

And that is the problem.

936

:

That's the issue.

937

:

Right.

938

:

You know, and I'm not saying we should

come from a, a, a scarcity model.

939

:

Like there's not enough.

940

:

We got to do this.

941

:

We got to do.

942

:

I'm not saying that.

943

:

What I am saying is that at times in

life, you have to decide what you're

944

:

willing to go for, for go right.

945

:

In order to help someone else.

946

:

Right.

947

:

Like you just have to do that, right?

948

:

And a lot of people, Americans,

are not wired that way.

949

:

That's not what our culture is.

950

:

It's like bootstrap.

951

:

Every man for himself.

952

:

And I mean that.

953

:

Every man for himself.

954

:

Um, and so it's a different type of

ideology that we're fighting against.

955

:

It's a very strong ideology about

what it means to be an American.

956

:

What does an American look like?

957

:

We've had the media

reinforcing that for years.

958

:

That's right.

959

:

That's right.

960

:

Right.

961

:

What does an American look like?

962

:

Uh, what does real hard, what

does hard work look like?

963

:

Um, you know, all of these things

are just so, so, uh, defined in

964

:

a very, uh, limited type of way.

965

:

And so you are right.

966

:

People are focused on fear.

967

:

They are dealing, um, out of emotion.

968

:

You know, it's like if you are looking

at, because even today when I was

969

:

prepping for this, I said, okay,

let me just do a little, Checks and

970

:

balances policy on this policy policy.

971

:

I mean, if you are a logical person,

you should be able to look at

972

:

their policies and make a decision.

973

:

Tony Tidbit: Correct?

974

:

That's it.

975

:

If you just

976

:

Dr. Nsenga Burton: look at

977

:

Tony Tidbit: the policy, what's

978

:

Dr. Nsenga Burton: important to you,

you should be able to make a decision.

979

:

All these people are undecided.

980

:

I don't know how you're

undecided at this point.

981

:

You know, that is emotion.

982

:

You mad at Trump because

something he did 30 years ago.

983

:

You mad at Kamala cause

something she did 30 years ago.

984

:

Okay.

985

:

We got a whole lot happening

right here, right now.

986

:

We can look over it.

987

:

You know, he's the former president.

988

:

She is the vice president, senator,

all the things before that.

989

:

They got records.

990

:

You can look at their stuff.

991

:

You can see what they have done.

992

:

Look at those things and

make an informed decision.

993

:

Make the decision that is best

for in most cases you, but in

994

:

some cases other people, do you.

995

:

Tony Tidbit: So, so, uh, Mr.

996

:

Miyagi, he agrees with you, right?

997

:

He's like, you supposed to be thinking

about me right now while you're on this

998

:

Dr. Nsenga Burton: podcast.

999

:

Oh my gosh.

:

00:43:36,755 --> 00:43:37,125

Okay.

:

00:43:37,165 --> 00:43:38,525

I'm gonna have to get a studio for real.

:

00:43:38,525 --> 00:43:40,335

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

:

00:43:40,445 --> 00:43:44,834

So, uh, these are the things that we

have to be thinking about and why is

:

00:43:44,834 --> 00:43:46,334

it that people are still on the bubble?

:

00:43:46,344 --> 00:43:48,405

Why are people still saying crazy stuff?

:

00:43:48,415 --> 00:43:50,215

Like, I mean, they're

just the same people.

:

00:43:50,595 --> 00:43:51,685

They're not the same people.

:

00:43:51,735 --> 00:43:52,835

They're not the same candidate.

:

00:43:52,845 --> 00:43:55,835

If you actually read through their

policies, they're very different.

:

00:43:55,905 --> 00:44:00,035

If you look at project:

mean, which has, you know, Donald

:

00:44:00,035 --> 00:44:01,745

Trump is like, I don't want to

have anything to do with that.

:

00:44:01,755 --> 00:44:04,995

He's in the opening, like,

he's written part of it.

:

00:44:05,515 --> 00:44:05,825

Right?

:

00:44:05,855 --> 00:44:09,705

So it's like, yeah, you know,

the policies are very different.

:

00:44:09,735 --> 00:44:11,845

Like, you go get, you don't

get something different.

:

00:44:12,165 --> 00:44:14,675

If you vote for this person, then

what you get with this person.

:

00:44:15,135 --> 00:44:16,855

And so that's what we have to talk about.

:

00:44:16,855 --> 00:44:18,815

But nobody wants to have that

conversation because it's too hard.

:

00:44:18,815 --> 00:44:20,845

Cause then you have to look at

yourself and be like, I'm a racist.

:

00:44:21,485 --> 00:44:26,305

I'm a xenophobe, I'm a sexist,

I'm conservative, or I'm too free.

:

00:44:26,315 --> 00:44:29,624

Whatever you want to do, but you have to

look at yourself and figure out where you

:

00:44:29,624 --> 00:44:34,895

are and why you are so worried or bothered

by how other people live their lives.

:

00:44:35,475 --> 00:44:35,935

Tony Tidbit: Right.

:

00:44:36,055 --> 00:44:36,445

Right.

:

00:44:36,505 --> 00:44:37,605

Chris, real quick, buddy.

:

00:44:37,605 --> 00:44:37,955

And I want to

:

00:44:37,955 --> 00:44:38,575

Chris P. Reed: move something else.

:

00:44:39,140 --> 00:44:39,660

No problem.

:

00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:42,270

My fear is that we exist in

this Lord of the Flies for so

:

00:44:42,270 --> 00:44:43,630

long that it becomes normalized.

:

00:44:43,780 --> 00:44:47,530

And then secondly, um, and more

importantly, is that if you take away

:

00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:53,319

the color, the, uh, gender and the

sexual orientation, then what you have

:

00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,909

is what a leadership strive for is a

utilitarian dynamic where you do the

:

00:44:56,919 --> 00:44:59,359

best good for the most amount of people.

:

00:44:59,580 --> 00:45:03,220

What am I doing that's going to affect

the most amount of people positively,

:

00:45:03,380 --> 00:45:08,415

but I have to take away race, gender,

I have to take away sex, gender.

:

00:45:08,795 --> 00:45:09,345

I have to take those.

:

00:45:09,385 --> 00:45:10,515

And then like Dr.

:

00:45:10,515 --> 00:45:14,345

Burton said, now you just have

policies, agnostic policies.

:

00:45:14,594 --> 00:45:17,974

But the fact is people see a

policy and love it until they

:

00:45:17,974 --> 00:45:19,625

see my picture there, right?

:

00:45:19,755 --> 00:45:21,724

Until they see a woman there, right?

:

00:45:21,724 --> 00:45:24,555

Until they see a transfer,

they, they, they take all of the

:

00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:28,135

goodness out of it because of

the bias that they bring into it.

:

00:45:28,465 --> 00:45:32,844

And that's the, that's where we're

losing ground because we're focusing

:

00:45:32,845 --> 00:45:35,485

on those things as opposed to

focusing on the meat and potatoes.

:

00:45:36,490 --> 00:45:37,495

Buddy, buddy,

:

00:45:37,495 --> 00:45:41,370

Tony Tidbit: I mean, I'm going to have

to, we got, we got to get Chris, we got

:

00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:44,930

to get him, he got to get out there on

the book tour or something because he

:

00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:47,560

breaks it down very succinctly and tight.

:

00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:48,169

I love it.

:

00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:49,100

I love what you said.

:

00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:50,670

So I'm going to come back to you on this.

:

00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:51,780

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

:

00:45:52,389 --> 00:45:55,240

Um, so let's go, let's

go to some policies.

:

00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:57,390

Let's go to Kamala because

we've been, to be fair, we've

:

00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:58,600

been talking more about Trump.

:

00:45:59,260 --> 00:46:04,180

So based on what we just got finished, you

guys got finished saying include myself.

:

00:46:05,335 --> 00:46:07,635

Why isn't she further ahead?

:

00:46:08,445 --> 00:46:10,935

Why is this even a close race?

:

00:46:11,185 --> 00:46:15,065

I'd love to hear some thoughts on

that because, and again, and again,

:

00:46:15,435 --> 00:46:18,615

um, look, I ain't got no problem

saying I ain't voting for him.

:

00:46:19,604 --> 00:46:20,184

Okay.

:

00:46:20,184 --> 00:46:21,584

I'm just being straight up, right?

:

00:46:21,825 --> 00:46:22,915

I want everybody to vote.

:

00:46:23,334 --> 00:46:26,114

I want you to vote whatever

you think you're an American.

:

00:46:26,255 --> 00:46:28,035

This is people died for this, right?

:

00:46:28,375 --> 00:46:29,035

So you vote.

:

00:46:29,415 --> 00:46:30,035

Okay.

:

00:46:30,415 --> 00:46:32,225

Um, but at the end of the day.

:

00:46:33,595 --> 00:46:38,535

based on all, and we can look at, um,

from, like you said, if they, if it

:

00:46:38,535 --> 00:46:43,910

wasn't, um, You take gender, you take

race, you take all your biases out and

:

00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:46,210

you just look at the policies, right?

:

00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:49,010

That should help you narrow

down who you want to vote.

:

00:46:49,319 --> 00:46:53,130

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But then even if you throw in

character and you gotta throw in

:

00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:17,790

character, okay, yeah, let's be fair.

:

00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:18,300

Okay?

:

00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:19,410

You gotta throw that in.

:

00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:19,740

Okay.

:

00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:21,360

Can't be biased on that, right?

:

00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:25,020

When you throw that in, I

mean, it shouldn't even, and

:

00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:26,430

again, I don't wanna say that.

:

00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,600

Why do you think she's still so,

why this still is a tight race?

:

00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:38,960

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Racism,

sexism is in a, I mean, I hate

:

00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,450

to sound like a one trick pony.

:

00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:43,026

Chris P. Reed: I love

:

00:47:43,026 --> 00:47:44,313

Tony Tidbit: it.

:

00:47:44,313 --> 00:47:47,570

I went through all that.

:

00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:51,110

Everybody's looking Racism, sexism is in

:

00:47:51,110 --> 00:47:51,940

Chris P. Reed: the way, Tony.

:

00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:54,359

I thought you were summarizing,

I thought you were summarizing

:

00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,380

what just had been established.

:

00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:57,343

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Exactly, exactly.

:

00:47:57,343 --> 00:47:59,885

No, I was like, why is

:

00:47:59,885 --> 00:48:00,308

Tony Tidbit: she?

:

00:48:00,308 --> 00:48:00,732

Okay,

:

00:48:00,732 --> 00:48:02,426

Dr. Nsenga Burton: go ahead, go ahead.

:

00:48:02,426 --> 00:48:04,544

Our most qualified president ever.

:

00:48:05,485 --> 00:48:06,965

She has been in all levels.

:

00:48:06,975 --> 00:48:07,115

So

:

00:48:07,115 --> 00:48:10,485

Tony Tidbit: when you say, when you

say most, so give us, give us some

:

00:48:10,515 --> 00:48:11,675

facts behind been in all levels

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00:48:12,285 --> 00:48:13,065

Dr. Nsenga Burton: of government.

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00:48:13,275 --> 00:48:14,495

She's been a Senator.

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00:48:14,525 --> 00:48:17,575

She's been a vice president

running for president, right?

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00:48:17,575 --> 00:48:18,474

That just does not happen.

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00:48:18,474 --> 00:48:18,834

Attorney

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00:48:18,835 --> 00:48:19,585

Tony Tidbit: General.

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00:48:20,155 --> 00:48:20,685

Attorney General.

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00:48:20,715 --> 00:48:21,004

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Oh, yeah.

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00:48:21,004 --> 00:48:21,314

Yeah.

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00:48:21,354 --> 00:48:22,184

District Attorney.

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00:48:22,195 --> 00:48:26,575

Like, I mean, she's got

every local, state, Federal.

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00:48:27,005 --> 00:48:28,695

She's been in every form

of government, right?

:

00:48:28,865 --> 00:48:31,915

Every, and, and worked and

done things, authored bills,

:

00:48:31,995 --> 00:48:33,635

like all the things, right?

:

00:48:33,845 --> 00:48:34,865

So she's done all of that.

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00:48:34,885 --> 00:48:38,044

But in addition to that, when

you think about her policies, her

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00:48:38,044 --> 00:48:39,545

policies about the people, right?

:

00:48:39,855 --> 00:48:45,435

She wants to tax billionaires,

which doesn't often happen in

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00:48:45,435 --> 00:48:49,265

a way that makes it good for

the rest of the country, right?

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00:48:49,265 --> 00:48:53,680

So, What happens is the middle class

and there's no real middle class in the

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00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,270

United States is really wealthy people

and people without and there's very few

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00:48:56,270 --> 00:49:00,059

people, um, who meet any of the like

real economic definitions, but let's

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00:49:00,059 --> 00:49:01,820

just say the so called middle class.

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00:49:02,430 --> 00:49:05,890

Um, it's just tax to death under

Republicans because they wanted,

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00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:10,489

uh, because the idea is that,

um, corporations will then hire

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00:49:10,489 --> 00:49:13,690

more people and will stimulate

the economy and blah, blah, blah.

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00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:14,480

It does not happen.

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00:49:14,550 --> 00:49:17,240

They just keep the money and

they give it to their investors.

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00:49:18,220 --> 00:49:21,410

Um, then you have Democrats who then

are like, okay, we're going to tax

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00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:26,620

the big corporations and then, um, You

know, we'll use that money to underwrite

:

00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:30,000

some of these programs that we really

want to do to make America run better.

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00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,090

So that's why you and what does

work with that is that's why

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00:49:33,090 --> 00:49:34,220

you get the infrastructure.

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00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:35,249

You get the bridges fixed.

:

00:49:35,250 --> 00:49:36,160

You get the roads fixed.

:

00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,710

You get the things that

you complain about.

:

00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,499

That's what happens because you have

more money, um, working that way.

:

00:49:41,499 --> 00:49:43,800

So when you talk about Kamala

Harris, she's talking about.

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00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:48,150

Entrepreneurship, you know, um,

giving people money to start

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00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:49,840

businesses, which is hard to do.

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00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:50,810

And it's not a lot of money.

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00:49:50,810 --> 00:49:53,180

It's 20 K, which is a lot

of money for some people.

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00:49:53,230 --> 00:49:53,580

Right.

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00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:53,900

Right.

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00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:54,339

Right.

:

00:49:54,340 --> 00:49:54,650

Right.

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00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:55,289

It's 20 K.

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00:49:55,289 --> 00:49:57,110

Look, Tony and I'll

take, Chris will take it.

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00:49:57,490 --> 00:49:58,120

You know what I mean?

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00:49:58,369 --> 00:50:01,309

Do something with it, flip it, do

it, but you know, where do I sign?

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00:50:02,829 --> 00:50:03,490

Chris P. Reed: I'll take 10.

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00:50:04,385 --> 00:50:06,895

Dr. Nsenga Burton: But these are also

policies that are going to help everybody.

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00:50:06,895 --> 00:50:07,595

But it's really hard.

:

00:50:07,625 --> 00:50:08,405

Entrepreneurship.

:

00:50:08,415 --> 00:50:10,545

You know, I've been a director

of entrepreneurship center.

:

00:50:10,555 --> 00:50:12,425

I've been entrepreneur

for almost 20 years.

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00:50:12,795 --> 00:50:15,225

All of the things I teach

business, things of that nature.

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00:50:15,495 --> 00:50:18,265

Being an entrepreneur is one of the

most difficult things that you can do.

:

00:50:19,185 --> 00:50:23,844

She's launching a national health equity

initiative that focuses on black men.

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00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:26,780

Now, this is why I'm like

bugging when black men are

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00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:27,530

like, I'm not voting for her.

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00:50:28,030 --> 00:50:28,340

I can't.

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00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:30,264

And it's not all of you all,

of course, but it's just

:

00:50:30,264 --> 00:50:32,129

some, it's a small percentage.

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00:50:32,129 --> 00:50:32,460

I can't.

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00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,769

It's a small percentage.

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00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:34,300

Right.

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00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:36,009

But I was just like, have

you looked at the policies?

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00:50:36,010 --> 00:50:39,449

Cause all of this stuff meets

you, entrepreneurship, national

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00:50:39,450 --> 00:50:41,689

black health equity initiative.

:

00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,859

She wants to legalize marijuana.

:

00:50:44,485 --> 00:50:46,805

I'm not saying that's a black thing,

because I know a lot of white folks

:

00:50:46,805 --> 00:50:48,644

who smoke weed, I'm just saying.

:

00:50:48,645 --> 00:50:52,344

Oh, but she wants to legalize marijuana,

but a lot of us were in jail for long

:

00:50:52,344 --> 00:50:56,195

periods of time, for smoking, getting

caught smoking, dealing a little

:

00:50:56,195 --> 00:50:57,885

bit of marijuana, or what have you.

:

00:50:58,325 --> 00:51:04,455

Um, lowering costs, um, uh, on

price gouging at the grocery store.

:

00:51:05,265 --> 00:51:06,735

That's a big deal.

:

00:51:06,935 --> 00:51:09,524

If you buy groceries, or if you

have bought groceries, please.

:

00:51:10,545 --> 00:51:11,445

That is a big deal.

:

00:51:11,725 --> 00:51:14,975

Um, so, because we are clearly being

gouged, their profits and through

:

00:51:14,985 --> 00:51:16,135

the roof, they're doing great.

:

00:51:16,495 --> 00:51:17,895

They got us bagging our own stuff.

:

00:51:18,245 --> 00:51:19,834

They got one person and bringing it up.

:

00:51:19,834 --> 00:51:22,934

Everybody else is standing around

bagging their own stuff and they got

:

00:51:22,935 --> 00:51:25,324

the profits through the roof and then

everything is even more expensive.

:

00:51:25,324 --> 00:51:26,685

So I'm like, why is it so expensive?

:

00:51:26,744 --> 00:51:28,034

Cause I feel like I work here.

:

00:51:28,084 --> 00:51:30,975

I feel like I need a spot and a name tag.

:

00:51:31,035 --> 00:51:32,755

Cause I feel like I work today.

:

00:51:32,755 --> 00:51:34,215

I got to carry my grocery tip.

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00:51:34,215 --> 00:51:37,715

I mean like, So, okay, so she's doing

all of those things and then she's

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00:51:37,715 --> 00:51:43,435

doing lowering rent, rents, which

are out of control everywhere and

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00:51:43,435 --> 00:51:45,544

providing more down payment assistance.

:

00:51:45,595 --> 00:51:48,715

So she's really focusing

on building a middle class.

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00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:52,480

And helping people who are in the middle

class who can't get over that hump because

:

00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:55,770

they can't get that little cash infusion

to take their business to the next to

:

00:51:55,770 --> 00:51:59,489

scale their business to the next level,

or they can't figure out if they can't

:

00:51:59,490 --> 00:52:03,399

save enough just to get that down payment

together for that house that they would be

:

00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,900

able to afford the house note on if they

could just get that down payment together.

:

00:52:06,940 --> 00:52:07,270

Right?

:

00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,030

Um, so she's doing things

that are going to help.

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00:52:10,645 --> 00:52:14,315

Everybody, not just black folks, not

just women, not just what have you.

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00:52:14,605 --> 00:52:15,765

She's doing those things.

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00:52:15,765 --> 00:52:17,105

That's going to help everybody.

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00:52:17,105 --> 00:52:20,275

So those are what I like her policies.

:

00:52:20,625 --> 00:52:22,534

I mean, you know, the other

stuff that people are mad about.

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00:52:22,555 --> 00:52:27,534

I don't, I'm not thinking about any of

that as a woman, as a mother of a child,

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00:52:27,534 --> 00:52:35,755

who's a woman, a girl, I want us to have

her, her full health care options, period.

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00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:40,520

So I'm not talking about the religious

aspects of abortion or what you do, you

:

00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,690

know, say people against abortion, let,

uh, cheered when they put that, um,

:

00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:46,340

innocent black man to death last week.

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00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:47,240

Right.

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00:52:47,279 --> 00:52:50,689

So I'm just like, I don't

even have time to hear about

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00:52:50,689 --> 00:52:52,240

the, the, the pro life stuff.

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00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,789

Cause you don't care about kids once

they get here as an adoptive parent.

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00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,050

We'll talk about that tomorrow to Tony.

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00:52:56,860 --> 00:52:59,470

Um, y'all don't care when they get

here, you don't do anything for them.

:

00:52:59,470 --> 00:53:02,000

For half a million is sitting

in foster care right now.

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00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,850

Half a million, but you're like,

Oh no, no, no, bring them here.

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00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,140

We're going to do, stop it.

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00:53:09,210 --> 00:53:12,890

So, um, that's, those are the policies

I think that are most interesting.

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00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:13,730

She has lots of them.

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00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:17,189

Um, and, you know, actually fixing

the immigration issue, right.

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00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:21,010

Making it, um, more streamlined and

making it more clear and defined

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00:53:21,019 --> 00:53:22,509

about how you become an immigrant.

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00:53:22,509 --> 00:53:25,459

Since there's so many different ways

that you can do that depending on

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00:53:25,459 --> 00:53:26,689

which country you come here from.

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00:53:27,215 --> 00:53:28,075

Tony Tidbit: Right, right.

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00:53:28,295 --> 00:53:30,345

So, Chris, I want you

to follow up on that.

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00:53:30,375 --> 00:53:33,915

Again, why do you think, why do you

think this, oh, I'm sorry, you guys

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00:53:33,915 --> 00:53:35,045

answered that question already.

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00:53:35,385 --> 00:53:37,235

So, Chris, let me ask you this, my friend.

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00:53:37,505 --> 00:53:40,945

Um, anything you want to,

uh, follow up on with Dr.

:

00:53:40,945 --> 00:53:43,285

Burtonson and I have a, a

question directly for you.

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00:53:43,925 --> 00:53:44,515

Chris P. Reed: Absolutely.

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00:53:44,515 --> 00:53:47,745

So, uh, from what I've seen

from the GOP, uh, first of all,

:

00:53:47,745 --> 00:53:49,045

xenophobia is not a policy.

:

00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:53,140

Um, you know, some of the things

that they predict some, some of

:

00:53:53,140 --> 00:53:57,050

the things that they present as

policies aren't necessarily policies.

:

00:53:57,050 --> 00:53:57,760

They aren't solutions.

:

00:53:57,770 --> 00:54:00,219

They aren't documented understandings

of how things work out.

:

00:54:00,595 --> 00:54:03,165

Obviously they stray away from the

things that failed in the past.

:

00:54:03,165 --> 00:54:07,335

Think about Obamacare, which is not called

Obamacare anymore, but he stated that

:

00:54:07,345 --> 00:54:09,285

that was going to be eradicated day one.

:

00:54:09,545 --> 00:54:10,025

It wasn't.

:

00:54:10,045 --> 00:54:12,804

So if you just look at somebody

that already held this job, right?

:

00:54:12,844 --> 00:54:16,805

They've shown you who there is

no way you get a job, fail, even

:

00:54:16,805 --> 00:54:19,545

with the qualifications of COVID

and can get that job when it's the

:

00:54:19,545 --> 00:54:20,795

most important job in the world.

:

00:54:20,845 --> 00:54:25,025

Again, that's a disqualifier to

me, but the lack of policy in that

:

00:54:25,025 --> 00:54:27,400

regard is very, um, overwhelming.

:

00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,310

She spoke about the policies that

Vice President Harris has before her.

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00:54:31,570 --> 00:54:34,580

I haven't seen anything from

the GOP that's resounding from

:

00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:39,220

a policy perspective because the

simple fact is policies cascade

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00:54:39,220 --> 00:54:41,689

and in the concept of the economy.

:

00:54:41,790 --> 00:54:49,315

So this misnomer that republicans are

for business Would lead you to believe

:

00:54:49,315 --> 00:54:53,535

that Democrats are anti business

and that's absolutely fraudulent.

:

00:54:53,555 --> 00:54:56,345

That's absolutely not the case

because she just talked about the

:

00:54:56,345 --> 00:54:57,825

proliferation of entrepreneurs.

:

00:54:58,185 --> 00:55:01,504

She just talked about more

businesses, more opportunities.

:

00:55:01,555 --> 00:55:04,724

The fact is now it's becoming

a gateway for more people.

:

00:55:05,290 --> 00:55:09,670

More diverse diaspora of people,

and that's where the issues come.

:

00:55:09,860 --> 00:55:13,060

So you have special interests

that are going on, and I'm not

:

00:55:13,069 --> 00:55:14,180

gonna beat the stage drum, right?

:

00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,239

The fact that you can have a

rally, and I'll be brief here,

:

00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:21,610

Tony, that you can have a rally,

and you have at least corporate

:

00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,710

backed interest being audaciously

presented is weird in politics to me.

:

00:55:27,060 --> 00:55:31,304

But at most, foreign backed

interest in the form of Elon Musk.

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00:55:31,815 --> 00:55:32,685

That's a rallies.

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00:55:32,755 --> 00:55:33,195

Right.

:

00:55:33,335 --> 00:55:33,745

Right.

:

00:55:33,785 --> 00:55:38,505

If somebody else would have did that

and had a foreign actor, a Putin giving

:

00:55:38,505 --> 00:55:41,905

you a thumbs up on your election,

you're getting likes by Kim Jong on it.

:

00:55:42,095 --> 00:55:43,775

Why are we even right?

:

00:55:43,915 --> 00:55:45,625

This is ignorant at this point.

:

00:55:46,165 --> 00:55:47,595

It's right.

:

00:55:47,664 --> 00:55:48,114

Right.

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00:55:48,225 --> 00:55:49,265

It's exhaustive.

:

00:55:49,465 --> 00:55:52,995

And so when you have the, then,

you know, that's what's going

:

00:55:52,995 --> 00:55:54,735

on is pockets being lined it.

:

00:55:54,735 --> 00:55:58,055

And when you talk about deceitful,

duplicitous business practices,

:

00:55:58,285 --> 00:55:59,715

this is not just business practices.

:

00:55:59,725 --> 00:56:02,535

These are life practices

for this candidate, right?

:

00:56:02,584 --> 00:56:05,464

And therefore it's hard to think

that he would divorce that.

:

00:56:05,654 --> 00:56:10,025

The last thing I'll say on that is

when he was elected, my quotation

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00:56:10,025 --> 00:56:11,495

fingers are up for all those on audio.

:

00:56:11,745 --> 00:56:15,845

The first time the good man, Barack

Obama said, give him a chance.

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00:56:16,745 --> 00:56:20,974

He was dead wrong and it's okay.

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00:56:20,975 --> 00:56:21,255

Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

:

00:56:21,255 --> 00:56:22,335

But you know what though, buddy?

:

00:56:22,355 --> 00:56:23,225

So here's the thing.

:

00:56:23,235 --> 00:56:24,975

So number one, thank you both for that.

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00:56:24,975 --> 00:56:28,595

I really, and again, excellent

insights from both of you guys.

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00:56:28,835 --> 00:56:33,675

And I hope the audience is listening

because as you can hear from Dr.

:

00:56:33,675 --> 00:56:34,825

Burton and Chris P.

:

00:56:34,825 --> 00:56:37,195

Reed, they're, they,

they do their research.

:

00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:42,700

They're citizens and they show their

citizenship by being involved, okay,

:

00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:47,010

by being educated on what's being

said, what, what's really happening

:

00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:48,810

and then pushing back the fluff.

:

00:56:48,810 --> 00:56:51,749

So I hope that you really appreciate

what they're talking about.

:

00:56:51,909 --> 00:56:56,169

The one thing I will say though, Chris,

is that the Republicans are for business.

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00:56:56,765 --> 00:56:57,565

Big business.

:

00:56:57,885 --> 00:56:58,445

Okay.

:

00:56:58,455 --> 00:57:00,785

They're for the massive

corporations, right?

:

00:57:01,055 --> 00:57:04,375

Because they want to give corporate tax

breaks and stuff to that nature, right?

:

00:57:04,505 --> 00:57:07,595

So they're not for the, they say they're

for small business, but they're not.

:

00:57:07,985 --> 00:57:09,755

They're for big corporations.

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00:57:09,755 --> 00:57:10,195

All right.

:

00:57:10,485 --> 00:57:12,094

Now, let me ask you this.

:

00:57:12,185 --> 00:57:15,785

And I would love to see if you

have a night, uh, uh, a thought

:

00:57:15,785 --> 00:57:16,745

on it, Chris, and then Dr.

:

00:57:16,745 --> 00:57:17,755

Burton, I'll turn it over to you.

:

00:57:17,755 --> 00:57:19,765

And then I'm going to ask you

guys for your predictions.

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00:57:20,235 --> 00:57:22,265

Um, and then, uh, implications.

:

00:57:22,265 --> 00:57:24,225

It's the other person, whoever wins.

:

00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,740

Why isn't, I, I, I'm

missing something here.

:

00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:30,700

Um, and look, black

people are not a monolith.

:

00:57:30,730 --> 00:57:32,370

Let's be fair, okay?

:

00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:36,350

Black people, let's, and again, let's

just put this in the right context.

:

00:57:36,889 --> 00:57:41,699

Black people, until, uh, and, and Dr.

:

00:57:41,699 --> 00:57:45,630

Burton, you and I talked about this,

until, uh, until civil rights era,

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00:57:46,420 --> 00:57:48,130

the majority of them voted Republican.

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00:57:49,035 --> 00:57:49,515

Okay.

:

00:57:49,535 --> 00:57:50,935

Just to be clear here, right?

:

00:57:50,935 --> 00:57:53,465

Cause, well, we're talking to

different parties now and then.

:

00:57:53,465 --> 00:57:54,025

Okay.

:

00:57:54,345 --> 00:57:57,855

The Democrats back in the prior

to the sixties was the Klan.

:

00:57:58,455 --> 00:57:58,834

All right.

:

00:57:59,085 --> 00:58:02,245

There was the ones that was

against civil rights and Jim.

:

00:58:02,514 --> 00:58:04,515

They were all Jim Crow, blah, blah, blah.

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00:58:04,844 --> 00:58:05,604

Black people voted

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00:58:05,605 --> 00:58:07,505

Dr. Nsenga Burton: for the Dixiecrats.

:

00:58:07,515 --> 00:58:08,065

Thank you.

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00:58:08,075 --> 00:58:08,505

Tony Tidbit: Thank you.

:

00:58:08,545 --> 00:58:09,255

Dixiecrats.

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00:58:09,255 --> 00:58:09,385

Right.

:

00:58:09,385 --> 00:58:10,555

So they wasn't voting for them.

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00:58:10,785 --> 00:58:11,295

Okay.

:

00:58:11,315 --> 00:58:13,425

Black people vote mostly both voted.

:

00:58:13,885 --> 00:58:14,435

Republican.

:

00:58:14,495 --> 00:58:15,015

Okay.

:

00:58:15,305 --> 00:58:17,245

Now we know it's a different world.

:

00:58:17,245 --> 00:58:18,355

So I just wanted to say that.

:

00:58:18,675 --> 00:58:22,425

However, the question I have for you,

Chris, and then I'm going to turn to Dr.

:

00:58:22,425 --> 00:58:24,545

Burton before we get final

thoughts and predictions.

:

00:58:25,555 --> 00:58:27,395

Why is it we're hearing that?

:

00:58:27,735 --> 00:58:31,354

Um, and let me say, let me, let me,

let me, let me position it this way.

:

00:58:31,654 --> 00:58:36,044

We have a first black female

woman running for president.

:

00:58:36,695 --> 00:58:37,275

Okay.

:

00:58:37,355 --> 00:58:40,715

Let's be, and that's a historic thing.

:

00:58:41,265 --> 00:58:41,735

Okay.

:

00:58:41,765 --> 00:58:42,495

Historic.

:

00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,260

We had a black president.

:

00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:45,080

Okay.

:

00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:51,450

Now we have a black female vice president

that has a chance three weeks away.

:

00:58:52,135 --> 00:58:56,925

Votes go her way to be the first,

not just female president in the

:

00:58:56,925 --> 00:58:59,885

United States, but black female

president of the United States.

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00:58:59,895 --> 00:59:00,395

Okay.

:

00:59:00,745 --> 00:59:03,545

Now we talked about policies

and stuff to that nature.

:

00:59:03,555 --> 00:59:03,814

Dr.

:

00:59:03,814 --> 00:59:04,544

Burton did a good job.

:

00:59:04,555 --> 00:59:06,355

Both of you guys broke it down, right?

:

00:59:06,755 --> 00:59:07,685

Why are we here?

:

00:59:07,704 --> 00:59:09,345

And again, black people

are not a monolith.

:

00:59:09,374 --> 00:59:12,545

So we know that people vote, black people

vote, all different types of people.

:

00:59:12,975 --> 00:59:16,855

But why are we hearing that

black men, and it's a small

:

00:59:16,875 --> 00:59:19,104

percentage, but they struggle.

:

00:59:19,115 --> 00:59:20,125

They don't want to vote.

:

00:59:20,535 --> 00:59:21,585

For Kamala Harris.

:

00:59:21,595 --> 00:59:26,435

So can anybody give me some insight

in that and the audience some insight

:

00:59:26,645 --> 00:59:31,385

on why this is an issue and why,

if it is an issue, and it must be

:

00:59:31,385 --> 00:59:32,724

because you've heard it enough.

:

00:59:33,145 --> 00:59:37,125

Why is it that those individuals

don't want to vote for her?

:

00:59:38,324 --> 00:59:39,715

Chris P. Reed: Let me, I can do that.

:

00:59:39,785 --> 00:59:42,545

Let me start by saying as a

leader in big business, you're

:

00:59:42,545 --> 00:59:43,815

nothing without the people.

:

00:59:44,175 --> 00:59:46,645

And so I don't want people

to believe that you think big

:

00:59:46,645 --> 00:59:48,605

business is just one percenters.

:

00:59:48,765 --> 00:59:51,535

Big business is the

people is the employee.

:

00:59:51,735 --> 00:59:54,355

It is the machine, the frontline

workers and things of that nature.

:

00:59:54,355 --> 00:59:57,995

So, Those people who exist in

those roles, you are big business.

:

00:59:58,105 --> 01:00:01,765

And so they should be residing

and resonating with you as well

:

01:00:01,765 --> 01:00:02,875

as just the people at the top.

:

01:00:02,905 --> 01:00:03,465

That's number one.

:

01:00:03,525 --> 01:00:03,785

Yeah.

:

01:00:03,825 --> 01:00:07,685

Now why are black men or folks

not voting for Kamala Harris?

:

01:00:07,925 --> 01:00:10,055

A lot of it is called

a conditioned response.

:

01:00:10,055 --> 01:00:14,465

The psychological conditioning is just

getting over the concept of change.

:

01:00:14,475 --> 01:00:18,195

Change is something that people are

psychologically natural to resist

:

01:00:18,695 --> 01:00:20,355

and therefore they're hesitant.

:

01:00:20,405 --> 01:00:25,700

And when you make it, Easy to not have to

change because the reality of it is also.

:

01:00:26,065 --> 01:00:28,315

No one wants to be on the losing side.

:

01:00:28,425 --> 01:00:29,215

Let's just keep it real.

:

01:00:29,215 --> 01:00:29,555

Right?

:

01:00:29,795 --> 01:00:32,605

And so if you think I could come

out on this being, everybody

:

01:00:32,605 --> 01:00:33,775

wants to be part of the chat.

:

01:00:33,775 --> 01:00:36,205

This is why bandwagons exist

and things of that nature.

:

01:00:36,205 --> 01:00:36,525

Right?

:

01:00:36,795 --> 01:00:41,705

So the concept of if I vote for her,

I'm going to have to do extra work and

:

01:00:41,755 --> 01:00:45,275

understand why I'm making this decision

because it's quote unquote against the

:

01:00:45,275 --> 01:00:47,075

grain, not realizing you're not kept.

:

01:00:47,085 --> 01:00:50,355

You haven't kept up with the times you

haven't kept up with the pulse of things.

:

01:00:50,415 --> 01:00:53,125

Tony Tidbit: When, when, just so I'm clear

here, when you say against the grain, they

:

01:00:53,125 --> 01:00:54,565

don't want to change change from what?

:

01:00:54,635 --> 01:00:56,225

From a male

:

01:00:56,225 --> 01:00:57,485

Chris P. Reed: dominated

United States government.

:

01:00:57,485 --> 01:00:58,105

Okay, so then

:

01:00:58,115 --> 01:00:59,345

Tony Tidbit: say it that way, Dan, right?

:

01:00:59,345 --> 01:00:59,645

Okay.

:

01:00:59,835 --> 01:01:01,935

Say it that way, because I thought

you, I thought you were talking from

:

01:01:01,935 --> 01:01:03,995

an administration standpoint, right?

:

01:01:03,995 --> 01:01:05,265

Yes and both.

:

01:01:05,725 --> 01:01:07,405

But she's in the administration.

:

01:01:07,405 --> 01:01:08,535

She's in the administration.

:

01:01:08,905 --> 01:01:09,845

She's the incumbent.

:

01:01:09,985 --> 01:01:10,625

She is the incumbent.

:

01:01:10,625 --> 01:01:12,584

But

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01:01:12,585 --> 01:01:16,355

Chris P. Reed: the recognition, the

emotional recognition, she gets slighted

:

01:01:16,525 --> 01:01:20,185

for things that if a man was doing the

same things in her, if it had been a

:

01:01:20,185 --> 01:01:24,020

male vice president, forget the color,

He would have gotten so much more credit

:

01:01:24,020 --> 01:01:25,330

for the things that he's been wanting.

:

01:01:25,660 --> 01:01:26,590

Tony Tidbit: Okay, so I'm okay.

:

01:01:26,590 --> 01:01:27,110

I'm clear.

:

01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:27,490

I'm clear.

:

01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:28,150

Than anything

:

01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:28,480

Chris P. Reed: else.

:

01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,410

So any idea of, and another thing,

Tony, and good, bad or different,

:

01:01:32,460 --> 01:01:33,440

I don't know what to believe.

:

01:01:34,610 --> 01:01:38,210

Like, you're, you're, you're, you're

regurgitating things that you've seen on

:

01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,690

quote unquote reputable outlets as far

as she's behind or she's ahead or people

:

01:01:42,690 --> 01:01:44,010

don't want to rock with or whatever.

:

01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:45,040

To me, that's propaganda.

:

01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:45,820

You're an ad guy.

:

01:01:46,020 --> 01:01:47,140

You know how ads work.

:

01:01:47,830 --> 01:01:52,170

Tony Tidbit: No, but, but buddy, buddy,

I, so before I give you my thoughts.

:

01:01:52,675 --> 01:01:52,925

Dr.

:

01:01:52,925 --> 01:01:54,135

Burton, let me hear your thoughts on that.

:

01:01:56,165 --> 01:01:56,715

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Sure.

:

01:01:56,765 --> 01:01:57,335

Um

:

01:01:59,485 --> 01:02:03,415

we have a former president who is involved

with an insurrection, is a convicted

:

01:02:03,415 --> 01:02:06,305

felon, he's facing, a zillion charges.

:

01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:11,890

He owes a ton of money.

:

01:02:12,250 --> 01:02:16,720

Um, he was negligent with

how he handled COVID.

:

01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:21,080

He didn't want to handle that the

way we handled other pandemics, um,

:

01:02:21,090 --> 01:02:24,200

which is why it landed here in the

U S it was completely avoidable.

:

01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:25,380

Millions of people dying.

:

01:02:25,470 --> 01:02:29,380

All these people with long COVID, all this

stuff avoidable because he didn't want

:

01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:32,070

a public relations issue on his hands.

:

01:02:32,530 --> 01:02:33,750

Uh, I don't know.

:

01:02:34,175 --> 01:02:38,075

What any free thinking black person,

because I don't know how many black

:

01:02:38,075 --> 01:02:41,815

people y'all saw die in COVID or get

sick in COVID or how many babies you

:

01:02:41,815 --> 01:02:43,615

saw left with no parents in COVID.

:

01:02:43,685 --> 01:02:47,195

I saw a lot, um, went in there, right?

:

01:02:47,195 --> 01:02:50,675

Mine vote for this man because he

promised them a tax cut, but let

:

01:02:50,675 --> 01:02:51,795

me just go ahead and help you.

:

01:02:51,955 --> 01:02:56,105

If you make under 250, 000, it's

not going to come to you anyway.

:

01:02:57,710 --> 01:02:59,990

The only person that's going to

get a tax cut that's going to

:

01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,410

come to you is going to give you

1 is going to be Kamala Harris.

:

01:03:02,430 --> 01:03:04,070

It's going to be about:

:

01:03:04,350 --> 01:03:04,920

That's it.

:

01:03:05,470 --> 01:03:05,790

All right.

:

01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,950

So neither 1 of them are like, really

going to be able to give you anything.

:

01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,170

Both of them have said that they

want to do a child care credit.

:

01:03:12,660 --> 01:03:13,470

Trump wants to do:

:

01:03:13,890 --> 01:03:14,980

That's the 1 thing they agree on.

:

01:03:14,980 --> 01:03:15,930

And I agree with both of them.

:

01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,960

And Kamala says she

wants to do:

:

01:03:20,340 --> 01:03:22,170

Um, those are good things, right?

:

01:03:22,170 --> 01:03:25,050

But if you look at this

man's performance beforehand.

:

01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,060

And I'm really mad at

the Republican party.

:

01:03:28,060 --> 01:03:28,890

Let me say this too.

:

01:03:28,890 --> 01:03:30,220

I used to work for the Republican party.

:

01:03:30,330 --> 01:03:31,420

People don't know that about me.

:

01:03:31,650 --> 01:03:36,920

That's how I actually came to have these

very, uh, informed opinions about things.

:

01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,470

And I understand that not all

Republicans are Trump Republicans.

:

01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:42,950

And I understand that people think

differently about things or what have you.

:

01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:43,890

But

:

01:03:45,940 --> 01:03:50,480

out of all the people that you

got out here, you chose him.

:

01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:52,720

Like you think that's

the best that you can do,

:

01:03:53,110 --> 01:03:53,460

Chris P. Reed: right?

:

01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:54,080

Right.

:

01:03:54,210 --> 01:03:54,470

Right.

:

01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:54,640

You

:

01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,390

Dr. Nsenga Burton: think that's the

best that you can do in terms of

:

01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:57,870

the president of the United States?

:

01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:58,820

That is sad.

:

01:03:58,820 --> 01:04:02,630

If, if he's the best that you can do, they

need to disband the party and start over.

:

01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:03,640

Chris P. Reed: Right.

:

01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:04,030

Right.

:

01:04:04,110 --> 01:04:06,810

Dr. Nsenga Burton: If that's the best

that you can do, if you have people,

:

01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:11,380

uh, stepping over themselves to, to,

uh, bow down to this man who's in bed

:

01:04:11,380 --> 01:04:18,060

with all of our, our like lifelong

opposition, like our lifelong, uh, people

:

01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:20,150

that we don't, uh, Fool with at all.

:

01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:21,650

I was like, did we forget about the baby?

:

01:04:21,850 --> 01:04:23,959

Have we forgotten about all

:

01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,310

Tony Tidbit: those things in bed with all

:

01:04:25,310 --> 01:04:25,670

Dr. Nsenga Burton: these people?

:

01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:30,130

You claim to love the military,

but you are in bed with Putin.

:

01:04:31,860 --> 01:04:35,290

You claim to love police officers, but you

got them out here going against people,

:

01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,630

uh, with, um, all these automatic weapons.

:

01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:41,500

You sending them out here to go

against people with automatic weapons.

:

01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:42,730

You claim to love the kids.

:

01:04:42,730 --> 01:04:44,970

You've got the kids getting shot

up with these automatic weapons

:

01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,630

at school every other month.

:

01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,710

We got some kind of some kind of

warning coming over our phones talking

:

01:04:49,710 --> 01:04:50,990

about somebody calling a threat.

:

01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:53,010

So this is my point.

:

01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:54,680

Black men.

:

01:04:55,460 --> 01:04:57,240

Black women have raised you.

:

01:04:57,825 --> 01:05:01,785

We have loved you and we have continued

to do so, and we'll continue to do so.

:

01:05:03,515 --> 01:05:06,125

And I know people don't want to say

this to black men, but I say this shit.

:

01:05:06,175 --> 01:05:06,945

You owe us.

:

01:05:08,404 --> 01:05:08,995

You owe us.

:

01:05:09,535 --> 01:05:15,185

70 percent of us been raising your babies

for over 25 years by our damn selves.

:

01:05:15,975 --> 01:05:16,825

You owe us.

:

01:05:17,154 --> 01:05:21,675

So no, you don't get to partner with

the white man because he has a penis.

:

01:05:22,340 --> 01:05:23,520

You don't get to do that.

:

01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:24,230

No, you don't.

:

01:05:24,529 --> 01:05:27,630

You don't get to pretend like the

most qualified candidate ever to

:

01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,020

be in the, uh, to be running for

president has no qualifications.

:

01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:34,140

You don't get to be mad because

she was a prosecutor when we didn't

:

01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:37,830

have black prosecutors and most

prosecutors, 90 percent of prosecutors

:

01:05:37,830 --> 01:05:40,710

are white men anyway, and half of

them are in Congress and you haven't

:

01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:42,060

said anything to them about it.

:

01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:48,420

You know, she was prosecuting crimes

against the environment and sexual crimes.

:

01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:51,680

So if she put your cousin in jail,

which I see all the time online.

:

01:05:52,190 --> 01:05:55,120

I'm sorry if your cousin is a rapist

or whatever, they need to be in jail.

:

01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,190

All right, so I don't

know what the problem is.

:

01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:02,600

All the stuff I just said in her

policies directly affect black men.

:

01:06:02,610 --> 01:06:03,860

You are going to gain from it.

:

01:06:04,300 --> 01:06:07,270

I haven't seen anything in his policies

other than the child care credit and

:

01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:10,580

that's if you're taking care of your

child, which you better be doing,

:

01:06:12,370 --> 01:06:13,840

that will affect you positively.

:

01:06:14,029 --> 01:06:14,570

Not one thing.

:

01:06:16,029 --> 01:06:16,480

Chris P. Reed: Great, great.

:

01:06:16,510 --> 01:06:17,810

Dr. Nsenga Burton: So

that's, what I have to say.

:

01:06:18,140 --> 01:06:19,450

You owe us, damn it.

:

01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:20,170

You want to be our protectors?

:

01:06:20,850 --> 01:06:21,550

And our providers?

:

01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:24,340

Vote for us in this election.

:

01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:26,359

That's it.

:

01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:31,750

Chris P. Reed: Tell us how you really

feel, you know what I'm saying?

:

01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:33,560

Yes, I

:

01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,179

Dr. Nsenga Burton: got a black dad.

:

01:06:37,180 --> 01:06:38,700

I had two black grandfathers too.

:

01:06:39,805 --> 01:06:43,535

Chris P. Reed: I'll say this, uh,

on behalf of, of, of black men, um,

:

01:06:44,404 --> 01:06:48,205

educate yourself, look at the policies,

look at all the things that we've

:

01:06:48,235 --> 01:06:51,225

derived throughout this entire episode.

:

01:06:51,695 --> 01:06:56,815

And then at the end, use the fact

that she is, you know, uh, uh, uh,

:

01:06:56,875 --> 01:06:58,495

a black woman as a bonus point.

:

01:06:58,625 --> 01:06:58,904

All right.

:

01:06:58,915 --> 01:07:02,095

So because she'll win, if you just

look at those other things, like I

:

01:07:02,095 --> 01:07:04,985

said, take out those three components

and just look at the stuff that

:

01:07:05,005 --> 01:07:06,125

the meat, you know what I mean?

:

01:07:06,404 --> 01:07:08,505

Then she'll win or she'll gain your favor.

:

01:07:08,995 --> 01:07:11,105

But then if you add on what Dr.

:

01:07:11,105 --> 01:07:14,904

Burton was saying, the fact that she's

a black woman, you know, queen of the

:

01:07:14,965 --> 01:07:19,775

earth type situation, that should just

send you over the threshold, so to speak.

:

01:07:19,805 --> 01:07:21,275

So just keep that in mind.

:

01:07:21,335 --> 01:07:24,335

Tony Tidbit: So listen, I want to

get you guys, cause we're, so this

:

01:07:24,345 --> 01:07:27,925

is, and we're going to keep rolling,

but this is really, really good.

:

01:07:27,945 --> 01:07:29,755

But I just got to say something on this.

:

01:07:30,135 --> 01:07:31,385

I do feel.

:

01:07:31,735 --> 01:07:34,525

that it is a sexist thing.

:

01:07:35,095 --> 01:07:38,585

I feel that those black,

it can't be a policy thing.

:

01:07:38,585 --> 01:07:39,555

That makes no sense.

:

01:07:39,915 --> 01:07:40,565

Okay.

:

01:07:40,755 --> 01:07:44,375

And I remember, I don't know if

it was Obama or somebody spoke.

:

01:07:44,805 --> 01:07:45,904

Uh, I think it is.

:

01:07:45,904 --> 01:07:47,235

We're not, I'm not voting for her.

:

01:07:47,715 --> 01:07:51,275

Because she's a woman, she's

this, and she's a black woman.

:

01:07:51,295 --> 01:07:52,335

And these are from black men.

:

01:07:52,365 --> 01:07:56,445

And again, I'm not speaking to them,

but this is my sense because it can't

:

01:07:56,445 --> 01:07:58,135

be no, it can't be a policy issue.

:

01:07:58,605 --> 01:07:59,975

Can't be all right.

:

01:08:00,035 --> 01:08:03,435

And at the same time, it can't be

that they think that Trump, and

:

01:08:03,435 --> 01:08:07,065

at the end of the day, we got you,

you, and let's be fair though, too.

:

01:08:07,065 --> 01:08:08,615

And I hear everybody's policies.

:

01:08:08,615 --> 01:08:09,665

I hear her policies.

:

01:08:09,945 --> 01:08:12,810

You know, he, he may have some

policies, but at the day, You

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01:08:12,810 --> 01:08:14,440

know, you own your own destiny.

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01:08:14,980 --> 01:08:15,670

Okay.

:

01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:21,250

Nobody sitting up in any political office

can control you or, or make you successful

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01:08:21,260 --> 01:08:23,290

or make you fail or make you a failure.

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01:08:23,580 --> 01:08:24,080

All right.

:

01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:28,040

At the end of the day, you

have the ability to make,

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01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:30,359

to govern and run your life.

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01:08:30,450 --> 01:08:31,470

Let's be fair here.

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01:08:31,770 --> 01:08:33,630

You know, I don't care

who's been in power.

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01:08:34,029 --> 01:08:34,319

Right.

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01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:39,460

Since this country has been

indoctrinated in:

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01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:42,809

color have had a challenge, regardless

if it was a Democrat or Republican.

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01:08:43,130 --> 01:08:43,649

Okay.

:

01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:44,690

It didn't matter.

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01:08:45,090 --> 01:08:51,640

So my point is, is that for you to sit

back, if that's your case, and for you to

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01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,800

say, I'm not voting because she's a woman.

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01:08:54,330 --> 01:08:55,170

Okay.

:

01:08:55,250 --> 01:08:56,760

Makes no sense.

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01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:57,920

Number one.

:

01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,870

Number two, you would rather put

you give you a vote to some other

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01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,300

this other guy who I don't even

want to get into it because Dr.

:

01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:07,580

Burton just went through his background.

:

01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,620

How does he make you better?

:

01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,720

That's what I want to understand, please.

:

01:09:13,069 --> 01:09:16,700

So it has to be more of a

chauvinist type situation.

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01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:17,399

All right.

:

01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:21,279

And black men, Have always, I want to

use this as, because I don't want to

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01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:25,760

say all, because it's not fair, but some

black men have had a, had a problem with

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01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,479

black women, strong black women, leading.

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01:09:29,635 --> 01:09:30,115

Okay.

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01:09:30,265 --> 01:09:31,885

And they don't want to say it.

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01:09:32,045 --> 01:09:34,175

They'll come up with a

million other reasons.

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01:09:34,475 --> 01:09:34,965

All right.

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01:09:34,975 --> 01:09:36,944

My mother was a strong black woman.

:

01:09:37,175 --> 01:09:41,194

She always had tough relationships

with men because she would call them

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01:09:41,194 --> 01:09:44,635

out and hold them accountable because

they wasn't living up to their point

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01:09:44,635 --> 01:09:46,354

of what they were supposed to do.

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01:09:46,774 --> 01:09:47,385

Okay.

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01:09:47,495 --> 01:09:50,495

And so at the end of the

day, that's just my opinion.

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01:09:50,774 --> 01:09:51,315

Okay.

:

01:09:51,375 --> 01:09:53,785

Some people, you like his policy better.

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01:09:53,785 --> 01:09:54,265

Okay.

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01:09:54,345 --> 01:09:57,155

Say that, but don't just make it about.

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01:09:57,495 --> 01:09:58,385

She's a woman.

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01:09:58,535 --> 01:09:59,025

All right.

:

01:09:59,215 --> 01:10:02,184

We got to, I mean, we, we've

been, we've been going off.

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01:10:02,195 --> 01:10:06,095

So I want to get your, I want

to get you guys predictions,

:

01:10:06,575 --> 01:10:07,845

who you think going to win.

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01:10:08,755 --> 01:10:13,105

And then I love to hear if who you

don't think going to win, what's

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01:10:13,105 --> 01:10:15,345

the implications for the country.

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01:10:16,975 --> 01:10:18,105

Chris, you go first, buddy.

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01:10:18,445 --> 01:10:18,809

Cool, no problem.

:

01:10:18,809 --> 01:10:21,625

Yeah, yeah, because we'll be

another 30 minutes with Dr.

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01:10:21,625 --> 01:10:21,934

Burton.

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01:10:21,945 --> 01:10:22,345

You know what I'm saying?

:

01:10:22,345 --> 01:10:23,600

No, no,

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01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:24,227

Chris P. Reed: no.

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01:10:24,227 --> 01:10:29,245

So the concept is this, um, without

any, any significant emotion

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01:10:29,245 --> 01:10:32,065

and just kind of using the old

adage, I just follow the money.

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01:10:32,295 --> 01:10:34,145

She raised a billion dollars, fam.

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01:10:34,145 --> 01:10:37,025

So, Let's just keep it

like I follow the money.

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01:10:37,075 --> 01:10:40,855

And so I believe that if you use

that old adage, she's going to win

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01:10:40,855 --> 01:10:42,715

because the money is behind her.

:

01:10:43,015 --> 01:10:45,215

So, therefore, the

interest are behind her.

:

01:10:45,215 --> 01:10:49,795

And and I do believe that people

have a good heart intrinsically.

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01:10:49,805 --> 01:10:54,455

So, think about it like this, and I'll say

this, the 1 thing is, there was no loss

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01:10:54,575 --> 01:11:01,055

of civility, and it was very encouraging

when the vice presidential debate landed.

:

01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:07,680

All the news outlets were talking

ironically about how civil and

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01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,600

diplomatic the two gentlemen were

when they spoke to each other.

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01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:15,980

So the fact that we can still

identify it and recognize it is good.

:

01:11:16,515 --> 01:11:20,415

When we thought that politics is just

muckraking and slanderous and, and,

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01:11:20,434 --> 01:11:23,765

and forgetting about the mute and

talking over people and talking down

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01:11:23,765 --> 01:11:25,745

to women and all of that type of stuff.

:

01:11:25,995 --> 01:11:28,195

Now, we realize it don't

have to be like that.

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01:11:28,235 --> 01:11:33,434

And I think that that taste actually hurt

the campaign for the GOP, because they

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01:11:33,434 --> 01:11:39,395

realize some, even the outlets that rock

with them said that the civility of the

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01:11:39,395 --> 01:11:42,075

vice presidential campaign was refreshing.

:

01:11:42,525 --> 01:11:47,010

So we're longing as a country For

some, some sense for some maturity.

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01:11:47,420 --> 01:11:50,230

And so I believe because

of that, she would win.

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01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:55,880

The implication as it relates to the

other party is he's currently figured

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01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:01,590

out how to fleece the people of

whatever he can when this don't happen.

:

01:12:01,610 --> 01:12:03,720

And he's going to whiny baby this thing.

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01:12:03,970 --> 01:12:06,570

And he's going to tap into

the side of the people who.

:

01:12:07,845 --> 01:12:11,934

inappropriately feel downtrodden or

disenfranchised, regardless of the

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01:12:11,945 --> 01:12:16,995

records and the census and all this

other thing, he's going to tap into the

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01:12:16,995 --> 01:12:22,175

base, primal, negative nature of his

constituents, of his people, and going

:

01:12:22,175 --> 01:12:27,525

to try to figure out a genius way around

all of this, because that's what he does.

:

01:12:27,525 --> 01:12:29,955

He has desire to be a lifelong dictator.

:

01:12:30,045 --> 01:12:35,439

He ideal, he, You know, idealizes these,

um, these dictators, the Kim Jong Un's and

:

01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:38,750

the Putin's, the people who win unanimous,

you know, the guy that's in Hungary.

:

01:12:39,059 --> 01:12:41,390

He loves these guys because he feels like.

:

01:12:41,775 --> 01:12:42,934

This too is possible.

:

01:12:42,945 --> 01:12:43,825

These are his mentors.

:

01:12:43,865 --> 01:12:46,675

These are the people that he

looks up to and he brings it out.

:

01:12:47,265 --> 01:12:50,295

Unfortunately, in your

face in conversation.

:

01:12:50,325 --> 01:12:50,575

Right?

:

01:12:50,605 --> 01:12:54,375

And so I think that we need to brace

ourselves and prepare ourselves

:

01:12:54,375 --> 01:12:58,105

for the, for the construct of him,

not winning, but the party and Dr.

:

01:12:58,105 --> 01:13:01,645

Burton said this earlier, the

party is going to have a hard

:

01:13:01,645 --> 01:13:04,545

time recovering from this.

:

01:13:04,934 --> 01:13:07,145

You guys have to realize

there's been wigs.

:

01:13:07,145 --> 01:13:08,005

There's been Federalist.

:

01:13:08,015 --> 01:13:09,415

There's been so many different parties.

:

01:13:09,885 --> 01:13:12,125

This party is not beyond reproach.

:

01:13:12,434 --> 01:13:14,395

This party is not beyond reformation.

:

01:13:14,395 --> 01:13:17,175

They called it the new

Republican party years ago.

:

01:13:17,295 --> 01:13:20,625

Well, maybe they put a two news on

it this time, but it's going to have

:

01:13:20,625 --> 01:13:24,195

to change is going to have to change

the way in which it does business.

:

01:13:24,505 --> 01:13:25,595

But so are the Democrats.

:

01:13:25,615 --> 01:13:28,265

They have to make sure that

they're prepared appropriately

:

01:13:28,265 --> 01:13:30,065

with a candidate in the future.

:

01:13:30,165 --> 01:13:33,515

We have to reform the way that we do

things because just throwing somebody

:

01:13:33,515 --> 01:13:34,825

up there because they're famous.

:

01:13:35,375 --> 01:13:36,995

It's not a reality TV show.

:

01:13:37,135 --> 01:13:39,375

It's our lives and it's our

government and it's our future.

:

01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:40,370

Tony Tidbit: All right, Dr.

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01:13:40,370 --> 01:13:41,460

Burton, keep it tight now.

:

01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:42,140

Keep it tight.

:

01:13:42,140 --> 01:13:44,479

Let me hear from you.

:

01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:45,080

Thanks, Chris.

:

01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:46,840

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Kamala in four hours.

:

01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:51,500

Um, yeah, I think, uh, Kamala

is going to pull it out.

:

01:13:51,620 --> 01:13:53,320

Vice President Harris

is going to pull it out.

:

01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,160

She is the most qualified of the two.

:

01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:57,380

We need a grown up in the room.

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01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:03,590

Um, and we need somebody to restore,

restore dignity and who isn't facing it.

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01:14:04,065 --> 01:14:08,535

All kinds of charges, you know, um,

even if the Supreme Court is going

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01:14:08,535 --> 01:14:12,515

to let him off the hook, you know,

um, we need to restore some dignity

:

01:14:12,515 --> 01:14:15,684

to our office, um, of the presidency.

:

01:14:15,745 --> 01:14:17,535

We need to get some stability.

:

01:14:17,595 --> 01:14:22,885

I mean, it has been a frenzy, uh, since

Donald Trump came into national politics,

:

01:14:23,335 --> 01:14:28,585

uh, and people, um, has really changed

the, not only the political landscape,

:

01:14:28,595 --> 01:14:30,285

but really the landscape of this country.

:

01:14:30,715 --> 01:14:32,115

Um, and that is powerful.

:

01:14:32,125 --> 01:14:33,465

So that's why we can't under.

:

01:14:33,945 --> 01:14:39,375

Um, value what that role is and how

it can impact and influence society.

:

01:14:39,655 --> 01:14:42,735

But yes, I am hoping

it's not only the money.

:

01:14:42,795 --> 01:14:44,445

I think that she is the most qualified.

:

01:14:44,725 --> 01:14:47,095

I think the people who are hating on

her and saying they're not going to

:

01:14:47,095 --> 01:14:49,305

vote for her because she's a woman

probably aren't going to vote anyway.

:

01:14:50,065 --> 01:14:53,525

Um, Because I'm just, I don't

even know who those people, how

:

01:14:53,525 --> 01:14:55,175

you can even say that in:

:

01:14:55,175 --> 01:14:55,514

Right,

:

01:14:55,515 --> 01:14:55,934

Tony Tidbit: right.

:

01:14:56,775 --> 01:14:59,395

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Wives and daughters

and mothers and aunts and stuff.

:

01:14:59,425 --> 01:15:00,905

I just, I just don't know those people.

:

01:15:01,355 --> 01:15:04,025

Um, but yeah, it's Kamala in:

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01:15:04,265 --> 01:15:07,405

And, um, hopefully she'll have

the support that she needs, uh,

:

01:15:07,434 --> 01:15:09,184

in order to succeed in the job.

:

01:15:09,265 --> 01:15:11,825

And then we, you know, we got to get

to work on Congress so that she can

:

01:15:11,825 --> 01:15:14,684

actually put some things in place

that could actually pass, right?

:

01:15:14,985 --> 01:15:16,065

Tony Tidbit: Right, right.

:

01:15:16,715 --> 01:15:17,895

Guys, I want to thank you.

:

01:15:17,895 --> 01:15:19,125

You guys have been awesome.

:

01:15:19,135 --> 01:15:21,815

This has been a lot of

fun, very educational.

:

01:15:22,145 --> 01:15:24,475

Um, I learned a lot from

listening to both of you guys.

:

01:15:24,885 --> 01:15:27,075

Listen, you guys are plugging

in really, really tight.

:

01:15:27,075 --> 01:15:28,005

So I want to thank you.

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01:15:28,285 --> 01:15:30,475

You know, I want to leave

just a final thought.

:

01:15:30,595 --> 01:15:35,405

Um, you know, look, obviously our

platform is for having, um, people come

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01:15:35,405 --> 01:15:37,445

on, share their stories to educate.

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01:15:37,835 --> 01:15:38,745

the mainstream.

:

01:15:38,745 --> 01:15:43,595

And it's very important that we did this,

this episode on a presidential election

:

01:15:43,985 --> 01:15:47,955

because at the end of the day, and I know

I said earlier about regardless of who's

:

01:15:47,975 --> 01:15:52,335

in power or who's sitting in that seat,

you still have the ability to go out

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01:15:52,335 --> 01:15:54,365

and do your thing or not do your thing.

:

01:15:54,365 --> 01:15:54,755

Right.

:

01:15:55,184 --> 01:15:58,325

However, all that being said,

this is an important election.

:

01:15:58,985 --> 01:16:01,265

Um, and you heard it from Dr.

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01:16:01,265 --> 01:16:02,055

Burton and Chris P.

:

01:16:02,075 --> 01:16:02,395

Reed.

:

01:16:02,755 --> 01:16:05,535

You know, this is either moving

forward or moving backwards.

:

01:16:05,915 --> 01:16:06,565

Okay.

:

01:16:06,905 --> 01:16:10,915

And I, I had no problem on

telling you guys today that I

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01:16:10,915 --> 01:16:12,565

will not vote for Donald Trump.

:

01:16:12,875 --> 01:16:13,425

All right.

:

01:16:13,745 --> 01:16:15,675

And at the end of the

day, let me tell you why.

:

01:16:15,845 --> 01:16:16,565

Real simple.

:

01:16:16,895 --> 01:16:17,285

Okay.

:

01:16:17,285 --> 01:16:19,845

So mostly you don't know, but

I am a registered Republican.

:

01:16:19,845 --> 01:16:22,184

I've been a registered

Republican since:

:

01:16:22,805 --> 01:16:23,385

Okay.

:

01:16:23,505 --> 01:16:26,055

I voted for the father Bush.

:

01:16:26,365 --> 01:16:26,805

Okay.

:

01:16:26,845 --> 01:16:27,835

I voted for Clinton.

:

01:16:28,445 --> 01:16:30,235

Then I voted for the son Bush.

:

01:16:30,675 --> 01:16:31,105

Okay.

:

01:16:31,155 --> 01:16:32,225

I voted for Obama.

:

01:16:32,225 --> 01:16:32,314

Okay.

:

01:16:32,815 --> 01:16:33,455

Alright?

:

01:16:33,555 --> 01:16:35,905

So at the end of the

day, I voted for Clinton.

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01:16:36,105 --> 01:16:39,915

At the end of the day, I

believe in certain things, okay?

:

01:16:40,085 --> 01:16:43,715

But at the end of the day, to

have somebody who has done what

:

01:16:43,725 --> 01:16:45,665

he has done to this country.

:

01:16:46,765 --> 01:16:50,995

from the time that he started

running, who's been so divisive.

:

01:16:51,225 --> 01:16:55,715

A president is about bringing people

together, regardless if you look,

:

01:16:55,745 --> 01:16:57,195

there's people that became president.

:

01:16:57,195 --> 01:16:57,845

I ain't like them.

:

01:16:58,155 --> 01:16:58,575

Right.

:

01:16:58,635 --> 01:17:00,965

But at the end of the day,

they're the president.

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01:17:01,505 --> 01:17:02,155

Okay.

:

01:17:02,215 --> 01:17:04,505

And that's how you supposed

to look at this office.

:

01:17:04,705 --> 01:17:07,025

And they held themselves all right.

:

01:17:07,035 --> 01:17:10,315

To a certain decorum, because as Dr.

:

01:17:10,315 --> 01:17:14,415

Burton said, this is the most

powerful office on the planet.

:

01:17:14,765 --> 01:17:19,905

And what we say or don't say

reverberates around the globe.

:

01:17:20,725 --> 01:17:23,975

Okay, and you cannot take that lightly.

:

01:17:24,434 --> 01:17:25,855

Okay, it's very important.

:

01:17:26,165 --> 01:17:30,915

And I have a man that tried to,

and Chris, we did Wilmington's lie.

:

01:17:31,135 --> 01:17:31,445

Dr.

:

01:17:31,445 --> 01:17:35,535

Burton, you came on and we did

a reckoning of Wilmington's lie.

:

01:17:35,895 --> 01:17:39,275

We cannot, we talked about

what happened in:

:

01:17:39,835 --> 01:17:43,815

And this was almost a

mirror of that in:

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01:17:44,235 --> 01:17:44,775

Okay.

:

01:17:45,015 --> 01:17:47,635

On the insurrection on January 6th.

:

01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,100

I'm sorry.

:

01:17:49,420 --> 01:17:53,670

I would never vote for

anybody that would do that.

:

01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:58,309

All right, because they lost and

then tried to create civil war.

:

01:17:59,030 --> 01:18:02,520

And you can throw in all the other

felonies and stuff of that nature.

:

01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,270

But once you go to that

level, you ain't got my vote.

:

01:18:06,570 --> 01:18:12,070

Because here's the thing, I know what

you will do if you get back into office.

:

01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:14,750

It's not about the country.

:

01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,020

It's about you.

:

01:18:16,309 --> 01:18:21,290

And to what Chris P Reed said about being

a one to have dictator rule, dictatorship

:

01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:23,040

rule and stuff to that nature.

:

01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,730

And then how the Supreme court now

is given presidential immunity.

:

01:18:26,930 --> 01:18:28,800

You wouldn't be able to stop this dude.

:

01:18:28,970 --> 01:18:34,660

And we didn't even get a chance to talk

about once you come into power, the

:

01:18:34,660 --> 01:18:38,725

people that you put around you, Okay.

:

01:18:38,995 --> 01:18:43,775

Those people will now be putting

policies and it will be chaos.

:

01:18:43,805 --> 01:18:44,665

It would be armed.

:

01:18:44,845 --> 01:18:49,235

I mean, this country would take

a huge step back domestically

:

01:18:49,575 --> 01:18:51,195

and internationally.

:

01:18:52,245 --> 01:18:52,835

Okay.

:

01:18:53,015 --> 01:18:54,405

Now let me say this too.

:

01:18:54,835 --> 01:18:56,835

I wasn't a big Kamala Harris fan.

:

01:18:56,934 --> 01:18:57,885

I'd be straight up.

:

01:18:58,495 --> 01:18:59,045

Okay.

:

01:18:59,065 --> 01:18:59,415

Flat out.

:

01:18:59,465 --> 01:19:01,205

I didn't know a lot about Kamala.

:

01:19:01,205 --> 01:19:05,995

And I remember when Biden made her his

vice president, I was like, okay, he's

:

01:19:06,015 --> 01:19:07,125

probably getting them over the top.

:

01:19:07,295 --> 01:19:09,635

But there was a couple other

people that I liked prior to that.

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01:19:09,815 --> 01:19:12,655

The, I forget her name, who

was the police commissioner or

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01:19:12,655 --> 01:19:13,785

the sheriff down in Florida.

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I forget her name, whatever.

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01:19:14,565 --> 01:19:15,095

It doesn't matter.

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All that what, yeah, you know, I'm

talking about all that being said.

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01:19:20,895 --> 01:19:21,605

Back to Dr.

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01:19:21,605 --> 01:19:26,035

Burton's point, when you

look at qualification, she's

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qualified to be president.

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01:19:28,315 --> 01:19:31,155

You look at the policies

that she put in place.

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01:19:31,405 --> 01:19:34,585

Some of those, if she becomes president,

some of those become real, some of

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01:19:34,585 --> 01:19:37,535

those won't become real, but that would

be no different than any president.

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01:19:38,155 --> 01:19:38,745

Okay?

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01:19:39,065 --> 01:19:43,855

So at the end of the day, based on the

choices that we have, that's clear.

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01:19:44,830 --> 01:19:49,920

There's, in my opinion, there's

no other, this is me, this is Tony

:

01:19:49,950 --> 01:19:54,900

Tidbit, there's nobody else I would

vote for, okay, but Kamala Harris.

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01:19:54,970 --> 01:20:03,040

Now my prediction, I don't know, okay, I

think it's going to be a toss up, right,

:

01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,470

because here's the thing, there's one

of two things that's going to happen.

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01:20:07,210 --> 01:20:10,780

Either she wins in a landslide

because you can't believe it.

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01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:11,570

The polls.

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01:20:12,030 --> 01:20:12,620

Okay.

:

01:20:12,650 --> 01:20:14,730

And we've seen that happen before, right?

:

01:20:15,900 --> 01:20:19,520

Because going back to what you were

saying about time and, and Chris,

:

01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,900

you were saying about there's a, and

the money, you know, so you can't

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01:20:22,900 --> 01:20:26,250

get caught up, but if it's not that,

then it's going to be a nail biter.

:

01:20:27,650 --> 01:20:30,400

But I know where I'm going to

vote, and I'm telling our audience,

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01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,360

you vote for whoever you feel.

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01:20:32,559 --> 01:20:36,490

And yeah, this episode was

a little one sided, right?

:

01:20:36,580 --> 01:20:37,360

But guess what?

:

01:20:37,380 --> 01:20:38,340

This is what we believe.

:

01:20:39,815 --> 01:20:40,975

You know, I didn't talk to Dr.

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01:20:40,975 --> 01:20:41,415

Burton.

:

01:20:41,525 --> 01:20:42,525

I didn't talk to Chris B.

:

01:20:42,525 --> 01:20:44,065

Reed prior to this episode.

:

01:20:44,065 --> 01:20:45,655

We're just gonna come

on and talk about it.

:

01:20:45,885 --> 01:20:46,595

And guess what?

:

01:20:46,605 --> 01:20:48,255

We gave what we believe.

:

01:20:48,434 --> 01:20:50,005

We gave our thought process.

:

01:20:50,175 --> 01:20:50,895

And guess what?

:

01:20:50,895 --> 01:20:51,975

We've done our homework.

:

01:20:52,135 --> 01:20:55,605

And we're asking you to

do the exact same thing.

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01:20:56,225 --> 01:21:00,875

And at the end of the day, What if,

uh, if, if, if, if you flipping a

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01:21:00,875 --> 01:21:05,385

coin, but if you go out and vote,

that's really the most important.

:

01:21:05,655 --> 01:21:10,585

The last thing I want to hear from

anybody is I didn't vote, right?

:

01:21:10,775 --> 01:21:13,485

And if you didn't vote, you

ain't got nothing to say.

:

01:21:13,665 --> 01:21:16,125

Don't even show up to that, but

you ain't got nothing to say.

:

01:21:16,135 --> 01:21:17,295

You ain't got, you can't complain.

:

01:21:17,485 --> 01:21:20,125

Can't do nothing because

this is your one day.

:

01:21:20,180 --> 01:21:33,930

It's the most important thing that

you can do, and it's an important

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01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:36,420

thing for our democracy, right?

:

01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,270

So, final thoughts, real tight.

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01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:40,980

Chris P. Reed: Okay.

:

01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:41,720

I'll go first.

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01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,460

Go first, buddy.

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01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:43,610

I want her to finale.

:

01:21:43,610 --> 01:21:43,940

Yeah, yeah.

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01:21:43,940 --> 01:21:45,570

And then we gotta, we gotta go, but go.

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01:21:45,580 --> 01:21:45,610

Cool.

:

01:21:46,450 --> 01:21:49,680

So the situation is, um, we always

talk about, go out and do your

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01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:50,920

own research, your own homework.

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01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:55,540

I cannot back someone who

talks about my taxes, who's a

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01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:58,480

multimillionaire and pay 750 in taxes.

:

01:21:58,730 --> 01:21:59,190

Look it up.

:

01:21:59,440 --> 01:21:59,740

Okay.

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01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:00,500

That's number one.

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01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:04,230

You, and then people who don't have

my interest, don't have my vote.

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01:22:04,590 --> 01:22:05,000

Okay.

:

01:22:05,309 --> 01:22:06,120

Real simple.

:

01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,950

Um, and so not that she has all the

interest because even in the concept

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01:22:09,950 --> 01:22:12,420

of over 250, 000 all the brothers.

:

01:22:13,340 --> 01:22:17,150

It's not worth the amount of money

you would gain there to sell yourself.

:

01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:18,370

You know, that's right.

:

01:22:18,650 --> 01:22:19,320

Okay, bro.

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01:22:19,559 --> 01:22:19,900

Okay.

:

01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:20,030

So

:

01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:20,990

Tony Tidbit: we know where you going.

:

01:22:20,990 --> 01:22:23,200

And look, you can go

anywhere you want to go.

:

01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:24,559

I ain't going to get mad at you.

:

01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:28,090

But at the end of the day,

as long as you vote, Dr.

:

01:22:28,090 --> 01:22:29,309

Burton, final thoughts.

:

01:22:29,660 --> 01:22:30,090

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Yes.

:

01:22:30,100 --> 01:22:33,440

Well, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention

Ukraine, all these people who want to

:

01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:35,960

support Ukraine and vote for Donald Trump.

:

01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:36,790

You cannot do both.

:

01:22:36,820 --> 01:22:39,900

If he gets in, the money's

cut off to Ukraine period.

:

01:22:39,950 --> 01:22:40,460

He's in.

:

01:22:42,190 --> 01:22:45,160

He's already said it, read

the policy, read the website,

:

01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:46,910

read, read, read the stuff.

:

01:22:47,150 --> 01:22:52,070

Um, LGBTQ populations, um,

are under attack and losing

:

01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:53,140

rights at the state level.

:

01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:57,880

Um, and so, uh, we do need to have

someone in office who is attuned to

:

01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,559

that and, um, comes from a place where

they have done that work before and

:

01:23:01,570 --> 01:23:03,700

have had policies at the state level.

:

01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,059

Um, and can enact those policies

to protect those populations as

:

01:23:07,059 --> 01:23:09,809

well because they deserve civil

rights and protections as well.

:

01:23:09,809 --> 01:23:10,950

Um, Um, Thank you.

:

01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:15,640

I think that, um, you know, a lot of

times I say we vote with our dollars,

:

01:23:15,700 --> 01:23:18,960

and I think we do when we buy products

and support certain businesses.

:

01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,809

Uh, but this time I think you really have

to decide, um, just to bring it home.

:

01:23:24,460 --> 01:23:27,940

Um, are you voting for the past

or are you voting for the future?

:

01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,500

Like, what do you want

America to look like?

:

01:23:30,500 --> 01:23:33,919

And what do you want the office

of the president to look like?

:

01:23:34,690 --> 01:23:39,390

To look like to other people as

well, not only to you and to this

:

01:23:39,390 --> 01:23:41,740

country, but to the rest of the world.

:

01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,390

All right, so think about it

and definitely I'm with Tony.

:

01:23:46,570 --> 01:23:48,580

I mean, I really believe vote.

:

01:23:48,690 --> 01:23:51,360

You don't have to vote the way I

vote, but participate in the process

:

01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:52,930

because I do not want to hear it.

:

01:23:52,940 --> 01:23:57,210

If you did not vote, or if you voted

third party, knowing that they're

:

01:23:57,210 --> 01:24:01,150

not even on most of the balance in

most of the states, if you waste your

:

01:24:01,150 --> 01:24:02,850

vote in that way, do not talk to me.

:

01:24:03,855 --> 01:24:07,550

We, we cannot be friends, , but vote.

:

01:24:07,825 --> 01:24:08,115

Vote.

:

01:24:08,570 --> 01:24:09,860

Tony Tidbit: But vote but vote.

:

01:24:09,860 --> 01:24:10,730

Thank you, Dr.

:

01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:11,434

Dr.

:

01:24:11,434 --> 01:24:12,809

Burton and Chris P.

:

01:24:12,830 --> 01:24:13,130

Reed.

:

01:24:13,130 --> 01:24:13,760

Thank you.

:

01:24:14,180 --> 01:24:16,490

So I think it's now time for what?

:

01:24:16,490 --> 01:24:18,050

Tony's tidbit.

:

01:24:18,050 --> 01:24:18,440

All right.

:

01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:21,260

So the tidbit today is this democracy.

:

01:24:21,470 --> 01:24:24,860

Democracy thrives when

informed minds engage.

:

01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,010

Make your voice heard.

:

01:24:27,470 --> 01:24:29,330

Make your vote count.

:

01:24:29,650 --> 01:24:31,250

And you heard that today from Dr.

:

01:24:31,250 --> 01:24:32,640

Nsenga Burton and Chris P.

:

01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:33,030

Reed.

:

01:24:34,615 --> 01:24:37,815

Chris P. Reed: So obviously at this

point in time, I would be remiss.

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01:24:37,925 --> 01:24:38,635

Absolutely.

:

01:24:38,635 --> 01:24:42,595

If I did not remind you to tune in to

the weekly segment, need to know what

:

01:24:42,655 --> 01:24:48,895

the singer, where you have the powerful,

magnanimous, uh, beautiful, wonderful Dr.

:

01:24:48,895 --> 01:24:52,575

Nsenga Burton, uh, represent a

black executive perspective podcast,

:

01:24:52,595 --> 01:24:56,335

where she dives into crucial and

critical topics of all shapes and

:

01:24:56,335 --> 01:24:59,495

sizes that help our community and

our world become a better place.

:

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Sometimes it's political.

:

01:25:00,765 --> 01:25:03,195

Sometimes it's, it's, uh, educational.

:

01:25:03,450 --> 01:25:07,000

Sometimes it's social, sometimes it's

spiritual, but she's always bringing

:

01:25:07,010 --> 01:25:12,280

this energy that you've seen today on

steroids in a bite sized compact way so

:

01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,950

you can take it with you and you can share

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:

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So please do not miss that.

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It's a wonderful resource.

:

01:25:19,330 --> 01:25:20,340

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

:

01:25:20,440 --> 01:25:22,760

If you never checked out

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:

01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,920

Nsenga, you just got a version

of it right here on this episode.

:

01:25:27,150 --> 01:25:29,650

So every Thursday,

definitely check her out.

:

01:25:29,650 --> 01:25:35,150

So I hope you enjoyed today's episode,

Decision:

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01:25:35,150 --> 01:25:37,809

Election with Insight and Expertise.

:

01:25:38,610 --> 01:25:41,160

Chris P. Reed: All right, so at this

point in time, we definitely want to

:

01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,780

make sure that you understand that

we are always trying to decrease,

:

01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,620

decrease discrimination wherever

we can, and we do that with our

:

01:25:48,620 --> 01:25:50,740

call to action, which is less L.

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01:25:50,770 --> 01:25:50,980

E.

:

01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:51,290

S.

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01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:51,660

S.

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01:25:52,030 --> 01:25:53,400

That L is learn.

:

01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:57,970

Educate yourself on racial and

cultural nuances so that you can feel

:

01:25:57,970 --> 01:26:01,680

better about how you navigate this

world and understand other people.

:

01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:02,640

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

:

01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,690

And then after you learn

E stands for empathy.

:

01:26:06,050 --> 01:26:08,750

Now you've learned about

your friends and colleagues.

:

01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:12,980

So now you should be more empathetic

to what they go through because you

:

01:26:13,070 --> 01:26:16,040

now can be able to walk in their shoes.

:

01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:17,470

Dr. Nsenga Burton: S stands for share.

:

01:26:18,055 --> 01:26:23,635

And that means to share information

with an informed information, factual

:

01:26:23,635 --> 01:26:28,755

information, fact based information,

um, with people so that they understand

:

01:26:28,755 --> 01:26:33,045

better understand not only the things

they're being educated about and the

:

01:26:33,055 --> 01:26:34,495

things that they're having empathy about.

:

01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:38,520

Um, but also so that they can pass

on the knowledge that they gained

:

01:26:38,809 --> 01:26:40,320

from those other two categories.

:

01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,040

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

:

01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:42,320

Right.

:

01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:43,970

And then the final S is stop.

:

01:26:44,130 --> 01:26:47,180

We want to stop discrimination

as it walks in your path.

:

01:26:47,420 --> 01:26:51,270

So if you at the Thanksgiving table and

grandma says something inappropriate,

:

01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:56,320

you say, grandma, We don't believe

that we don't say that and you stop it.

:

01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:56,750

Right?

:

01:26:56,950 --> 01:27:02,230

So if everybody can incorporate

less L E S S we'll build a more

:

01:27:02,230 --> 01:27:04,670

fair, more understanding world.

:

01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:05,900

And guess what?

:

01:27:06,150 --> 01:27:11,684

You'll be able to see the change that you

want to see because less will become more.

:

01:27:13,175 --> 01:27:15,945

Chris P. Reed: We want to remind you

to tune into all of black executive

:

01:27:15,945 --> 01:27:18,525

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:

01:27:18,865 --> 01:27:22,684

Look at some previous ones to catch

up to where we are now, but we

:

01:27:22,765 --> 01:27:25,945

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:

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:

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Keep us informed so that way we can keep

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:

01:27:34,260 --> 01:27:36,040

And where can they find

us for these things, Tony?

:

01:27:36,770 --> 01:27:37,130

Tony Tidbit: Thanks.

:

01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:38,440

Excellent question, Chris.

:

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:

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:

01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:01,970

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:

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