Why would someone choose a therapist charging $250 or $300 per session when less expensive options are available? The answer isn't always about credentials, experience, or even affordability. In this episode, Anna explores the psychology behind premium-fee decisions and why choosing a therapist is as much an emotional decision as a financial one.
Drawing on research about how people make decisions—and a personal story about choosing a wedding photographer who cost significantly more than she'd budgeted—Anna breaks down the four stages clients move through before committing to a higher-fee therapist. You'll learn why first impressions matter, how emotion and logic work together, and what your website needs to communicate to help potential clients feel confident choosing you.
1️⃣ Why clients don't always choose the least expensive therapist—and how price can influence their perception of quality.
2️⃣ How emotional and logical decision-making work together when potential clients evaluate a premium-fee therapist.
3️⃣ The four stages of a premium-fee decision, from the initial trigger and gut check to justification and commitment.
4️⃣ How to align your website's design, copy, credentials, and client experience so your marketing creates connections first and then gives clients the reasons to say yes.
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Hey there.
Anna Walker:Welcome back to another episode of Marketing Therapy number 95.
Anna Walker:I'm excited about this one.
Anna Walker:I want to start this episode, where we are talking about why clients
Anna Walker:would choose a therapist with a higher fee, by telling you a story.
Anna Walker:So I got engaged to my husband, and man, I- if we had a little bit longer, I'd tell
Anna Walker:you how we happened to, to be engaged.
Anna Walker:There was lots of time together, time apart, a Notebook style reunion in the
Anna Walker:parking lot of my college apartment, but I won't bore you with those details.
Anna Walker:Now, we get engaged, and it's time to start planning a wedding.
Anna Walker:We were gonna get married pretty quickly.
Anna Walker:We got engaged in the end of September and set a date for the following
Anna Walker:July 12th, so I had, what was that?
Anna Walker:Nine, 10 months.
Anna Walker:And obviously one of the top things that I'm looking for is a photographer.
Anna Walker:Now, I'm on a budget.
Anna Walker:This was not a six-figure event that I could go hire a planner and all the fancy
Anna Walker:things as much as I would have liked that.
Anna Walker:So I'm on a budget, and I'm a, just a budget seeker anyway.
Anna Walker:I'm a very financially conservative, risk-averse person, so I'm
Anna Walker:always, I'm looking for a deal.
Anna Walker:But I also recognize this is my wedding, and these are my wedding pictures, right?
Anna Walker:So anyway, I had a number in my head and in my budget document
Anna Walker:for photography, and I found a photographer who fit that budget.
Anna Walker:The, the photos were fine.
Anna Walker:They were good, and I did, I went ahead and I signed a contract.
Anna Walker:Checked that off the list, on to other things.
Anna Walker:Well, then I found another photographer, Sasha.
Anna Walker:I found Sasha, and Sasha's work was beautiful.
Anna Walker:I am not myself a photographer.
Anna Walker:I can't say exactly why she was so good.
Anna Walker:I just know, the way that you know when you see good photographs that
Anna Walker:there's something special here, right?
Anna Walker:The lighting, the posing, whatever it was.
Anna Walker:Sasha was also way more than I had budgeted.
Anna Walker:Shocker.
Anna Walker:And I'd already paid a deposit on that first photographer, okay?
Anna Walker:So I'm sitting here.
Anna Walker:I'm seeing Sasha's portfolio.
Anna Walker:I am seeing her price.
Anna Walker:I already have a perfectly fine photographer booked, but I knew
Anna Walker:that I liked what I saw, and I wanted that for my wedding.
Anna Walker:Now, I didn't mention that when I booked with that first one, something about
Anna Walker:that relationship felt a little bit off.
Anna Walker:And I still can't say exactly why, but you know, you just have that gut feeling.
Anna Walker:So here I am.
Anna Walker:I'm a little bit unsettled with photographer A, and then I run
Anna Walker:into Sasha, photographer B, who is more than I wanted to pay.
Anna Walker:Well, guess what I ended up doing?
Anna Walker:I backed out of that signed contract with photographer A,
Anna Walker:and I paid a lot more for Sasha.
Anna Walker:Now, as a financially conservative, very risk-averse person,
Anna Walker:that was a big deal for me.
Anna Walker:I spent a lot of time hemming and hawing about it.
Anna Walker:I absolutely hesitated, but you know what I told myself?
Anna Walker:This is a once in a lifetime situation, right?
Anna Walker:We only get to do this once.
Anna Walker:I can only take photos of my wedding one time.
Anna Walker:And the moment that I knew that Sasha was worth it was
Anna Walker:when I was sitting in my hotel.
Anna Walker:Kyle and I went to Maui for our honeymoon.
Anna Walker:It was lovely.
Anna Walker:Sitting in my hotel in Maui and getting that preview gallery.
Anna Walker:If you have gotten married, you know how exciting that first glimpse is.
Anna Walker:I opened it up, and it was like, "Yep, I made the right choice."
Anna Walker:So I wanna open up with that story because you'll see how I didn't
Anna Walker:really choose Sasha because of logic.
Anna Walker:In fact, I could have logiced my way right on out of picking her.
Anna Walker:Instead, I found the logic after I'd already chosen her.
Anna Walker:Well, I, I can only do this once.
Anna Walker:Well, I guess we can flex our budget here.
Anna Walker:This is exactly how premium fee clients are choosing or not choosing you.
Anna Walker:So we're talking today about why do clients choose therapists with
Anna Walker:a higher rate, and I wanna walk you through a couple points of
Anna Walker:research that support this and that give us a lot of insight into how
Anna Walker:these decisions are actually made.
Anna Walker:Now, a couple episodes ago, I said that a premium fee is an emotional decision
Anna Walker:as much as a financial one, and that's really what this episode is all about.
Anna Walker:We're gonna unpack that line.
Anna Walker:Now, there's a lot of research on this.
Anna Walker:The main point of research I want to share with you is
Anna Walker:called the dual process theory.
Anna Walker:You may have heard of this, but it's one of the leading explanations of
Anna Walker:how our minds process information and ultimately make decisions.
Anna Walker:So Daniel Kahneman, if I'm saying that correctly, he's a Nobel Prize winner.
Anna Walker:He essentially boiled this down to two systems, so the dual
Anna Walker:process theory is two systems.
Anna Walker:System one is a very fast, intuitive, and emotional system, and then system
Anna Walker:two is slow and deliberate and logical.
Anna Walker:Now, most decisions start in system one and then system two essentially signing
Anna Walker:off on whatever system one found out.
Anna Walker:So system one is kind of that first responder.
Anna Walker:It's gonna run automatically.
Anna Walker:You're not gonna realize it.
Anna Walker:It's effortless.
Anna Walker:It is all the time scanning.
Anna Walker:Every ad, every website, every choice passes through system one
Anna Walker:before system two even gets involved.
Anna Walker:Okay?
Anna Walker:So system one, fast, intuitive, emotional.
Anna Walker:System two, slow, deliberate, logical.
Anna Walker:Your clients, when they're making any sort of decision with their
Anna Walker:money, including therapy, are going system one to system two.
Anna Walker:Now, a couple other points of research, and then we'll really
Anna Walker:unpack this into four categories.
Anna Walker:But a couple other things to know.
Anna Walker:Gerald Zaltman, he's at Harvard Business School.
Anna Walker:He estimates that about 95% of purchasing decisions happen subconsciously.
Anna Walker:Another neuroscientist, I thought this one was really interesting,
Anna Walker:Antonio Damasio, he studied people with damage to the emotional centers
Anna Walker:of the brain, and he found that while their logic was intact, they still
Anna Walker:struggled to make simple decisions.
Anna Walker:I'm talking, like, whether to book an appointment on a Monday
Anna Walker:or a Tuesday, because of damage to the emotional systems.
Anna Walker:Okay?
Anna Walker:So emotions are at the core of every decision we're making
Anna Walker:as humans, especially the ones that relate to our money.
Anna Walker:Without emotion, we cannot decide at all.
Anna Walker:And spoiler alert, choosing a therapist is more emotional than just
Anna Walker:about anything else that we pay for.
Anna Walker:Now, when you hire a plumber, they're gonna come, they're gonna
Anna Walker:fix the leak, and you hopefully never have to call them ever again.
Anna Walker:But when you choose a therapist, you're choosing who's going to see
Anna Walker:you at your most unguarded, right?
Anna Walker:So where does price come into this?
Anna Walker:Now, when we can't judge quality directly, which we can't in therapy, when-- at
Anna Walker:least when choosing our therapist, system one reaches for shortcuts, and price
Anna Walker:is one of the oldest shortcuts we have.
Anna Walker:So in that case, when system one is doing that fast, intuitive, emotional thing,
Anna Walker:more expensive therapists actually have an edge as long as everything that that
Anna Walker:client is seeing is backing the price up.
Anna Walker:So this happens in four stages, and they're really the same four that I went
Anna Walker:through with my photographer, and price shows up in every single one of them.
Anna Walker:So let's look at this, how a premium client is actually
Anna Walker:deciding who to work with.
Anna Walker:Okay?
Anna Walker:So using the dual process theory, we know this.
Anna Walker:First thing that happens is the trigger.
Anna Walker:There is something that leads your client to decide now's the
Anna Walker:time for a therapist, right?
Anna Walker:No one wakes up and casually decides, "I feel like paying two hundred and fifty
Anna Walker:dollars a session for a therapist today."
Anna Walker:No one does that.
Anna Walker:Something happened, right?
Anna Walker:The fight went too far last night, the panic attack in the parking
Anna Walker:garage, the fortieth birthday where you still don't feel like
Anna Walker:you've arrived, whatever that is.
Anna Walker:That readiness comes before they even start searching.
Anna Walker:In my case, obviously, getting engaged was my trigger.
Anna Walker:I wasn't just looking at wedding photographers for funsies.
Anna Walker:But by the time your therapy client is searching, they've already been carrying
Anna Walker:this for a good long time, right?
Anna Walker:They have been living in a level of distress or discomfort
Anna Walker:for weeks, months, years.
Anna Walker:They don't need convincing that therapy helps.
Anna Walker:And when something matters this much, their wellness, the cheapest option can
Anna Walker:actually start to feel like a risky one.
Anna Walker:So by the time they find you, the decision to get help is already made.
Anna Walker:Now it's who.
Anna Walker:Who's gonna be that person?
Anna Walker:So then we go to the second, and this is the gut check.
Anna Walker:Does she get me?
Anna Walker:This is where system one is at work.
Anna Walker:So this is that fast, intuitive, emotional process.
Anna Walker:So system one comes on board and starts scanning the search results, the
Anna Walker:directories, the websites, the social media profiles, whatever and wherever
Anna Walker:your client is looking in seconds.
Anna Walker:And we know that most clients, all of them, can't evaluate your clinical skill.
Anna Walker:Some of them don't even know the difference between EMDR and
Anna Walker:EFT and CBT and all the things.
Anna Walker:Right?
Anna Walker:The same way that I couldn't evaluate lighting, I couldn't say,
Anna Walker:"Oh, Sasha was doing this so much better than the first photographer."
Anna Walker:Economists call services like therapy credence goods.
Anna Walker:So these are things you can't fully judge the quality of until
Anna Walker:after you've paid for them.
Anna Walker:Obviously, therapy is a shining example of that.
Anna Walker:So legal advice would be another thing, medical care.
Anna Walker:Right?
Anna Walker:They carry a ton of weight, but we don't actually know if they're gonna
Anna Walker:be any good until after it's over.
Anna Walker:And so with credence goods, people are leaning on cues.
Anna Walker:How is it presented?
Anna Walker:Who recommended it?
Anna Walker:We've talked about trust transfers on this podcast before.
Anna Walker:What it costs.
Anna Walker:And as I mentioned, price is one of system one's favorite shortcuts
Anna Walker:when it's looking for cues.
Anna Walker:A major review of research actually found a consistent link between
Anna Walker:price and perceived quality.
Anna Walker:So there is a correlation in our minds between how much something costs and
Anna Walker:how good we think it's going to be.
Anna Walker:And this effect is strongest when people don't have much else to go on.
Anna Walker:They don't know if you're a super great therapist or not.
Anna Walker:So my photographer's price told me something before I could put into words.
Anna Walker:She knows what she's doing.
Anna Walker:Your clients evaluate what they can, right?
Anna Walker:The cues, how it feels.
Anna Walker:Do I see myself here?
Anna Walker:Does this feel safe?
Anna Walker:Does this person actually understand my unique experience So that first
Anna Walker:photographer that I booked looked ultimately fine on paper, but something
Anna Walker:still felt a little bit off, and that was my system one starting
Anna Walker:to filter her out a little bit.
Anna Walker:Because system one is going first.
Anna Walker:That's the first impression of your marketing that is emotional
Anna Walker:and mostly subconscious.
Anna Walker:So this is why a premium fee, you're charging, we'll say $300 a session,
Anna Walker:next to a website that feels dated or confusing or DIY'd creates friction.
Anna Walker:Now we still have system two to get to, and we're gonna, we're
Anna Walker:gonna get there, but system one is saying, "Huh, something's off here."
Anna Walker:Prospective clients do this to therapists every single day.
Anna Walker:They see something that feels dated or confusing that creates that
Anna Walker:friction, and they just click away.
Anna Walker:So we don't actually know what happens.
Anna Walker:No one emails you to explain why they're not working with you, right?
Anna Walker:They just go with someone else.
Anna Walker:So a premium fee next to a premium experience through the eyes of
Anna Walker:system one reads as quality.
Anna Walker:The same fee next to first impressions that feel off reads as
Anna Walker:a mismatch, which is threatening.
Anna Walker:So then we have to bring in system two, but that's what's happening in
Anna Walker:that first couple of seconds, that fast, intuitive, subconscious process.
Anna Walker:So while they cannot judge your expertise yet, they can judge
Anna Walker:how you're making them feel.
Anna Walker:And system one is gonna give a red or green light based on that.
Anna Walker:Now, the third step, the justification.
Anna Walker:This is where system two comes online.
Anna Walker:Logic starts showing up.
Anna Walker:So once the feeling says yes or no, system two arrives.
Anna Walker:And a lot of times, as I mentioned, its job is mostly just to sign off.
Anna Walker:So I had kind of already made my decision about Sasha, and then system
Anna Walker:two came through and started giving me the logic, "Well, I can only do
Anna Walker:this once," or, "Well, this is once in a lifetime" was me using system
Anna Walker:two to build the case for, quite frankly, a decision I'd already made.
Anna Walker:A psychologist named Paul Slovic, he calls this affect heuristic.
Anna Walker:When we feel good about something, when system one gives us a green
Anna Walker:light, we judge its benefits as higher and its risks as lower.
Anna Walker:Isn't that fascinating?
Anna Walker:That's what happens to your fee.
Anna Walker:So once she feels understood, once she feels like you are going to understand
Anna Walker:her, the fee feels less risky.
Anna Walker:If she doesn't feel understood, if a mismatch has been presented in system
Anna Walker:one, then that exact same fee number can actually feel more like a gamble.
Anna Walker:Now, the fact is premium clients still need reasons to back the feeling.
Anna Walker:So just because they feel good about it does not mean they're necessarily
Anna Walker:going to say yes, 'cause system two is gonna come online and say, "Okay,
Anna Walker:can we back up this feeling in order to ultimately make the decision?"
Anna Walker:Especially at a fee that's going to stretch them.
Anna Walker:Especially if they are looking at multiple different therapists and this one that
Anna Walker:they're considering is on the higher end.
Anna Walker:So she's looking for reasons.
Anna Walker:Well, she works specifically with people like me.
Anna Walker:She says she does.
Anna Walker:Her website feels premium and trustworthy.
Anna Walker:She has the training and the credentials.
Anna Walker:I understand what the process looks like.
Anna Walker:I understand the fee.
Anna Walker:She's looking for those actual logical statements to back up
Anna Walker:something about this feels right.
Anna Walker:I mean, no one's Googling discount LASIK surgery, right?
Anna Walker:When the stakes are high around your eyeballs or your mental
Anna Walker:health, then a premium price can actually read more as safety.
Anna Walker:Sometimes therapists though get this backwards.
Anna Walker:We've talked recently about being credential first versus
Anna Walker:connection first in your marketing.
Anna Walker:If you're just leading with the credentials list and your modalities,
Anna Walker:you're asking for system two, hoping it creates the feeling, when in fact we
Anna Walker:need feeling to precede what backs it up.
Anna Walker:Logic cannot create the feeling.
Anna Walker:It can only back it up once the feeling is there.
Anna Walker:So one of the things I want you to take away from this episode is your marketing
Anna Walker:needs to give them the feeling first, then give them the reasons to say yes to it.
Anna Walker:Create the feeling first.
Anna Walker:Get system one online, and then back it up with system two.
Anna Walker:Okay?
Anna Walker:All right, so then number four, the actual commitment, right?
Anna Walker:The decision-making.
Anna Walker:This last hurdle, especially when we're talking about fees, is weighing the
Anna Walker:fear of the price, 'cause we're always a little bit scared when we hand our money
Anna Walker:over, against the fear of choosing wrong.
Anna Walker:Am I more afraid of paying this, or am I more afraid of getting this wrong?
Anna Walker:I mean, think about the wedding photographer.
Anna Walker:I hesitated big time.
Anna Walker:This was terrifying for me.
Anna Walker:That was a very, very real number.
Anna Walker:However, regretting those photos for the rest of my life felt bigger to me.
Anna Walker:So for your client, it's the cost of the fee next to the cost of
Anna Walker:another year like this one, right?
Anna Walker:Another week or month of being in this relationship that is so
Anna Walker:deeply unfulfilling, whatever that might be for yours.
Anna Walker:Plenty of premium clients have already been in therapy where they didn't get
Anna Walker:what they needed, or at least not all of it, so they're paying to not repeat that.
Anna Walker:What's really interesting, and we could do an entire episode on this, but once
Anna Walker:they've decided to sign on with you at that fee, your fee actually keeps working.
Anna Walker:There was a really cool study in 2008 that gave people the same wine labeled
Anna Walker:$10 and $90, and almost universally they said that the $90 one tasted better.
Anna Walker:And the brain scans while they drank that showed more activity
Anna Walker:in the region tied to pleasure.
Anna Walker:It was the same wine.
Anna Walker:Price shapes our expectations about things.
Anna Walker:Our expectations shape our experience.
Anna Walker:And so your fee has nothing to do with your clinical skill.
Anna Walker:We talk about that all the time.
Anna Walker:You could be the best therapist in the world and charge $10 an hour.
Anna Walker:That's not what we're talking about here.
Anna Walker:But your fee can change the posture that your client comes into therapy with.
Anna Walker:If your client decides to pay $250 a session, system one, system two,
Anna Walker:it all checks out, she's probably gonna walk in expecting this to
Anna Walker:matter, expecting this to work.
Anna Walker:For some, paying more is actually part of the commitment.
Anna Walker:I'm investing in this, so I'm gonna show up for it.
Anna Walker:And then of course comes the moment that it's worth it.
Anna Walker:For me, it was sitting in that hotel room and opening up that preview gallery.
Anna Walker:For your clients, it's that moment of relief that they
Anna Walker:didn't think was possible.
Anna Walker:It's the freedom from the pain of their past that they've been
Anna Walker:grappling with for decades.
Anna Walker:It's the becoming friends again with their partner.
Anna Walker:Whatever that is, that's when it becomes worth it.
Anna Walker:So now let's talk practically about how we touch on each of those four stages, right?
Anna Walker:So we have the gut check, we have creating the feeling, that's
Anna Walker:system one, the justification, system two, and then there's actual
Anna Walker:commitment and decision-making.
Anna Walker:Okay?
Anna Walker:So the fact is, you are a really great therapist.
Anna Walker:I operate from that place no matter what.
Anna Walker:I recognize that quality of therapy varies.
Anna Walker:I'm gonna assume if you're listening to this podcast, you're really
Anna Walker:good at what you do, as long as you're with the right client.
Anna Walker:Once someone is in your office or even once they're on a consult,
Anna Walker:chances are you do fantastic work.
Anna Walker:But almost everything that we just walked through in these four steps
Anna Walker:happens before they ever talk to you.
Anna Walker:The trigger and the gut check, the justification, the commitment.
Anna Walker:Almost all of this is being led by their experience with your marketing,
Anna Walker:which is most often your website.
Anna Walker:We have the gut check.
Anna Walker:We have that immediate feeling, that system one coming online.
Anna Walker:That's being led by your design, the first couple lines of your copy, right?
Anna Walker:We actually covered in last episode, episode ninety-four, the four design
Anna Walker:mistakes that, that can fail this in just a handful of seconds, so go back
Anna Walker:and listen to that one if you need.
Anna Walker:That's where we're, we're creating that initial gut reaction.
Anna Walker:Yes, no.
Anna Walker:System one.
Anna Walker:Green light, red light.
Anna Walker:Then there's that feeling understood, okay?
Anna Walker:We're looking for cues.
Anna Walker:That's where copy that sounds like you know what's going on in their head, right?
Anna Walker:That's where we're really connecting and empathizing with them comes into play.
Anna Walker:Then there's the justification, the system two.
Anna Walker:This is where your credentials, your training, your niche, your
Anna Walker:micro-niches, your process, all of these things are gonna come into play.
Anna Walker:And then there's the commitment, where we need to present a next step that makes
Anna Walker:reaching out feel very safe, very easy, like an absolute no-brainer once system
Anna Walker:one and system two have both checked out.
Anna Walker:Now, when I look around at the clinicians I know right now who are
Anna Walker:booking, you know, 200, 250, $300 plus a session, they've created,
Anna Walker:they've curated an entire experience of choosing them on purpose, right?
Anna Walker:They've got the copy and the design telling the same story as that fee.
Anna Walker:They are all in alignment.
Anna Walker:There's no room for that system one to be like, "Uh-uh, something's,
Anna Walker:something's not right here.
Anna Walker:Something's mismatching."
Anna Walker:It's all created, curated intentionally.
Anna Walker:In my case, it was that photographer's website and portfolio did all four for
Anna Walker:me before I ever reached out to her and asked her to come shoot our wedding.
Anna Walker:You're the reason your clients stay.
Anna Walker:You're the reason your clients get amazing results.
Anna Walker:Your website has nothing to do with whether or not your client is going to
Anna Walker:experience tremendous transformation once they're in the room with you,
Anna Walker:but your website and your marketing is the reason they reach out.
Anna Walker:So why do clients choose the more expensive therapist?
Anna Walker:Well, they can't judge clinical skill, so they're going on feeling, they're
Anna Walker:going on cues, and price is often one of the strongest cues that there is.
Anna Walker:Once they feel understood, that fee feels less of a risk to them, and the
Anna Walker:fear of choosing wrong again or staying in this place outweighs the number.
Anna Walker:Then we know that what they pay actually shapes what they expect to get out of it.
Anna Walker:It's a really fascinating way to understand this decision-making process.
Anna Walker:But all of that only works when everything that they see
Anna Walker:actually backs that price up.
Anna Walker:Now we know that people are out there looking for a therapist right now.
Anna Walker:Isn't that interesting to think about?
Anna Walker:That you could be sitting here listening to this episode and
Anna Walker:there's someone perhaps on your website who'd be a fantastic fit.
Anna Walker:They're making that same kind of choice about you every single week.
Anna Walker:And we know that often it is your website that is giving them that feeling
Anna Walker:or sending them to someone who does.
Anna Walker:Remember, if there was only one thing I wanted you to take away
Anna Walker:from this episode, it was this.
Anna Walker:Use your marketing to give your clients the feeling first and then give them
Anna Walker:the reasons to say yes to that feeling.
Anna Walker:Is your marketing doing that right now?
Anna Walker:Is your website doing that right now?
Anna Walker:And if not, what needs to change?
Anna Walker:We've got lots of resources available to you.
Anna Walker:We've got our done-for-you services, Confident Copy, our
Anna Walker:templates, whatever that might be.
Anna Walker:But I hope today you're walking away from this episode with a better understanding
Anna Walker:of how people are making decisions and how your marketing needs to come
Anna Walker:into alignment with that process in order to make saying yes to you feel
Anna Walker:like, quite frankly, a no-brainer.
Anna Walker:I heard from a Confident Copy student just yesterday who said that they
Anna Walker:got on a consult with someone.
Anna Walker:They said, "Based on your website, we don't care if you don't take insurance.
Anna Walker:We will make it work."
Anna Walker:Is your marketing, is your website inviting people into
Anna Walker:that type of experience?
Anna Walker:And if not, what can we do to change it?
Anna Walker:Is it copy?
Anna Walker:Is it design?
Anna Walker:Is it just being more thoughtful about these things?
Anna Walker:I hope this one was helpful for you.
Anna Walker:I so enjoyed getting to do this research and learn alongside you.
Anna Walker:I'm here for you.
Anna Walker:I'm cheering you on.
Anna Walker:I'll see you in our next episode.