In this inspiring episode of The One Small Change Podcast, Yvonne McCoy sits down with Cece Schatz, an accomplished transitional and relationship coach, to explore how embracing imperfection and unexpected opportunities can ignite both personal and business transformation. Cece shares her journey of navigating a painful divorce, finding empowerment in community, and stepping into the world of podcasting and digital media. From overcoming fear and self-doubt to marketing strategies and the importance of authentic connections, Cece offers practical steps and uplifting encouragement for anyone ready to break out of their comfort zone, seize new opportunities, and find their path forward.

Guest Bio:

Cece Schatz, fondly known as the "Doyan of Relationship Building," is a divorce, dating, and life coach dedicated to helping others navigate transitional periods in life. As the founder of The New Streaming Network—home to Going Solo Media, Going Bold Media, and the WGSN-DB Going Solo Network internet radio station—Cece brings together an active community of individuals seeking growth, connection, and inspiration through live media and online groups. Her mission is to empower people to move forward after major life changes with confidence and authenticity.

Chapters:

00:00 "Small Changes, Big Transformations"

03:43 "Birth of Going Solo Network"

08:52 Embrace Imperfect Growth

12:42 Guidance on Quick Brand Development

14:08 "Finding Your Unique Marketing Approach"

20:02 Transitional Coach Offers Consultations

22:22 "Own the Mic" Book Announcement

23:52 "Balancing Personal and Professional Life"

27:52 "Rediscovering Innate Genius"

30:19 Embrace Change, Stay Curious

Quote from Guest:

“Don’t let fear hold you back. Be you. No matter what you do, be you and just go forward.”

Links:

Cece is offering a free 30-minute consultation—no strings attached. Whether you’re navigating a transition, growing a show, or wanting media insights from someone who’s been there, don’t miss this chance! Contact her at [email protected].

For more information, visit her website: https://www.goingsolomedia.com/.

Welcome to the one small change. I am thrilled to embark on this

journey with you of exploration and transformation. And I'm your host,

Yvonne McCoy, and I bring almost thirty years of entrepreneurial

experience. And I have a passion for discovering growth through the power

of seemingly law, seemingly small change. I can't talk

today. And I can't tell you how excited I am that you're taking

time out of your busy schedule to join me,

for this this episode today. And this week, we are talking

to the amazing Cece Schatz, and

she's gonna share how a smaller unexpected decision

or event sparked a remarkable transformation in

both her personal and her business growth. Cece,

I hope I do better stumbling over my words today, but I am so happy

that you're here and that you've agreed to do this because you were doing some

fascinating and interesting things. So tell my

audience who you are and what you do and what was the small

change that brought you to this place. Oh, thank you so much

for having me on the show. It's just such a delight and an honor to

be here. And again, my name is Cece Schatz. I've fondly called the

Doyan of relationship building. And the reason being is I

am a divorce dating and a life coach, a transitional type

of coach. And I'm also the founder of the new streaming

network, Com, which is the home of Going

Solo Media and Going Bold Media and our wonderful

radio station, WGSN DB Going Solo Network.

So, yeah, I do a live I wear many hats, and, my

life is nonstop, and I'm just loving it. Loving it.

Well, the thing is, you know, in the quick conversation that we had

before, you have got some amazing things that are going

on. So so tell us a little bit about your story, and what was the

the thing that changes your that changed your projection about what you

were doing? Well, I think for me, the biggest thing was, of course, going through

a really bad divorce. I went through a terrible divorce in back in

o eight. And then as I was trying to create my

journey, like, what the heck am I gonna do now and how am I gonna

get through life? I, started I joined a divorce

group, and it's a long story, so I'll make it try to make it short.

But it really empowered me and really made a change in

my life. And so it helped me to to kind of propel and move

forward, and I wanted to help other people do the same thing. So I took

I ended up taking over the group. I, I still have the group now. We're

on Facebook. So if anyone wants to join it, you're welcome to do that. And

then we also, I have a singles group now, which is singles wanna

date, a travel group, which is going solo travelers.

We're all on meetup.com. And if you can find the links on

going solo network, which is my, my personal,

website. But, I mean, it it just, like, all

evolved. It kept evolving, going on. And I think the biggest thing is

my friends really encouraged me to just keep taking steps

forward. The door would open, And I used to finally say, oh, well, a

door open, but I got to climb through the window. I've got to make my

life harder, you know? So, so it's like, you know,

make things very difficult. But I was very fortunate because I went on

a show, my girlfriend's show, Connie,

and, she does does tremendous work now. And she's got

a, it was on victims to survivors. She's got a website

helping victims, really become survivors. And,

so I went on her show and I came out. They offered me, you know,

a radio spot. And I thought, wow, I don't know if I can do this,

but I just thought, you know, somebody's offering me it. They see something more within

myself than I can see myself. So I'm going to try it, you know? So

the first show I did, I thought I was going to pass out. And that

was back in about probably 02/2009 or something like that.

And, so then I did I did that show, and then it just progressed. It

kept growing and growing, and I ended up being on TV and doing all

kinds of things. And we had tried a a follower, and and then a

friend said, you know, my my group said the divorce group

said, you know, we'd like to listen to something in the middle of the night,

you know, three when we can't sleep, there's nothing out there.

And so a friend said, well, we can fix that up. So he started we

started the WGSN DB going solo network, which

stands for the, the West Coast Of Florida,

and it's, going solo network. That's how the WGSN DB

digital broadcasting. So there there are a couple of things that you've touched

on already that I think is really important for,

our audience. And, you know, since I'm a, you know, a women's business

strategist, one of the things that is always important to me is

the concept of finding your place, not

the place that's been defined for you by society

or your family or any of those things. And sometimes

it takes a huge shake up to make that

happen. I mean, I remember when I lost my job after fifteen

years, and I went to the beach and some a

marketer came by and said, what do you do? And I started crying and

said, I do nothing. Oh my

gosh. And it was like, wait. You know? Get yourself I

mean, the poor kid. I felt so bad for him. But, you know, you you

sometimes you need those wake up calls to or reevaluate.

What I would say to people is don't wait for that to happen.

You can do that for yourself. And I think as entrepreneurs, we

constantly have to do that because the world is constantly

changing, and you wanna stay relevant. So that's the first

thing is give yourself the gift

of saying, where is it that I wanna go? Not where

is my family, you know, want me to go? Not where, you know,

whatever. But where it where is it that I wanna go, and how can I

have a bigger impact and stay relevant? So that's, you know, part of

what I got out of out of what you're doing. And the second thing

is you didn't say, you

know, no. I can't do this because I'm not ready.

You jumped in. And I think that's where opportunities

happen. You know? You know? There's one person that I

follow that says if somebody gives you a mic, you should always take it.

Right? And so talk about that a little bit more, like, how

people can get themselves ready or be more

open to, you know, jumping on unexpected

opportunities. Or Right. Because, you know, a

lot of a lot of things that happen to me is just opportunities came

across. Right? And I was just at the point in my life where I thought,

you know what? I'm not looking back. I'm going forward. I'm going to, you

know, you know, I think the biggest thing that holds us back is fear. And

so I thought, you know what? I'm going to get over this fear. That's like

ego. Right. So I'm just going to step forward and try it. And

I have to admit, my very first show, I thought I was going to pass

out. I mean, they had to take a break because they thought I was going

to pass out. But now I do it so easily. I have no

problem with it. But it's, you know, I think we just have to step out

of ourselves a little bit, step out of the box a little bit and try

something new if an opportunity is there for you. And don't

wait to be perfect. I mean, you can see my background. I'm not perfect. I,

you know, I have a little office here in the in the guest room. And

I'm, you know, my my audience loves it. They don't care. They don't

care because what they care about is the content that we we give

them. And so, you know, as I was progressing on, I

realized that no one was marketing my shows. No one was doing anything. I

was paying, you know, good money for the shows, and they weren't being

marketed. And I thought, I've got to get out there and and start marketing and

doing other things. So I start putting myself all over the place. Right?

And a lot of people said, oh, you're podcasting. You shouldn't do that. You should

dress, drive them to your website. Don't don't put yourself out there. And I thought,

well, I gotta go where they are. So I need to be where people are

listening so they can get to know me, and then they'll wanna come to my

website. They'll wanna come to our to our stuff. And so I

started marketing, then I started talking to friends that were doing the same type of,

you know, podcasting and TV shows and whatever, and they weren't

really being marketed. So I thought, well, you know, let's join

forces. And so that's how we came up with the new streaming. It

started as going solo media. And, then

I thought, well, we need to broaden it because we need more inspirational things. We

need business. So then we started the going bold and then now we're

bringing it all under under one roof, which is the new streaming

network. But it all started with really thinking outside of

the box and not being perfect. You know? You you have you

have to just step forward in life. You can't wait and and

make everything, you know, absolutely perfect. You just gotta go for it.

But the thing that the the thing that I find interesting about that and the

things that I tell my clients all the time is try something

while you're still growing. Right? Because if you wait

till you're well known and you try something and

you're not good at it, well, if you try it when when nobody knows you,

you nobody's gonna see it and you can make all those mistakes and then later

on you'll be really good at it. So that's, you know, kind of my, you

know, thought about that. But the other thing I think that you said

that was so important is

the not being perfect is the thing that makes you stand

out, I think. Do you know? First of all, we always we we

hated the perfect kid. It's always the one

that was I know. Yeah. Yeah. And and so we I think people

relate to you better when they realize that, you know,

that you have some things that you stumble on. And I always say I

always say, you know it's live because

the mistakes I'm not cutting out the mistakes, and they are what they are.

And that that's who I am. Right? And you don't if if you don't put

yourself on a pedestal, you don't have to worry about getting knocked off.

Right? Right. And so I always laugh when people go, oh, you know, you you're

really showing up. It's like, yeah. It's taken you know, I'm like the fifteen year

overnight success kind of thing. So so, you

know, you just keep trying to do the things. So let me just

ask you real fast. You were also talking about marketing.

Mhmm. So, you know, I feel like you have to do the right thing that's

right for you. Right? So talk about some of the things that you

tried in marketing, how you said this, you know, was good, this

wasn't good. And and and the very fact that

you can't wait for somebody to market you. Marketing is

an active kind of thing, and, you know, it's your

responsibility. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I

think like what you said, number one thing is to be authentic. Be who you

are. And and then people will be drawn to you because

they'll they'll be interested in what you have to say, what you look like because

you look like them. Right? You're not somebody that's absolutely

whatever. And so, you know, you're just like an everyday person, and

so they're drawn to that. And I think the marketing goes it's just

not be afraid to do certain things. I mean,

there's there's elements within marketing that we need to do. Like, you know, we create

a logo and, you know, we figure out our colors and maybe do a website

or whatever. But the the reality is is do something

because so many people think that it it's just going

to come to you, and it's not gonna happen because you've

gotta gotta continuously doing something. And the reason for that is

that you're building up your own personal momentum.

Right? And it's not really about the audience out

there. It's about you yourself. It's the energy that you're

giving off. And so when they do come to listen to you and if you've

got that high frequency energy, they're gonna be

drawn to you just naturally. And so you've got to continue

continue to do stuff and just think out of the box and and be

yourself, and, people will be drawn to that.

And and and one of the things that I think is funny is,

you know, if you think back on your life and think about when you were

a kid, the thing that your parents told you not to

do is probably the thing you should be doing.

You know? Like, my family goes, you you know, you always fix

things. You know? You're you you know, you wanna find the answer. You wanna get

a solution. And that's true. I think of myself as, you

know, I'm a strategist. I'm looking for strategies you can implement

and get results. But when I was younger, people were like, stop, you know,

stop telling me how to do this. Don't, you know, and that is

my gift. My gift is how to get you from point A to point B

as fast as possible, you know, and see see what you've

got. So if you were if you were,

you you know, you were talking about pick your brand, pick your logo, and stuff

like that. The thing that I would say about that is

I think that's important, but don't let it stop you. I

mean, there are people who have had an immense amount of success without

websites and, you know, whatever. But that was

that was their thing. And so that's not

for everybody, but it shouldn't keep you from starting. And

sometimes the more you're out there, the more you get

clarification on where to show up, how to show up,

what you need to say, and it's it's evolving. So I always

laugh because, one of the first podcasts I did

was with somebody who was an image person.

And she's like, oh my god. You should always wear red. And I'm

like, you know, red is not really my first choice in color. I mean, I

like red, but it's you know, I'm more of a burgundy person,

because it leans towards the blue. And every time I wear red,

everybody was like, oh my god. You really pop in red. And I'm like,

oh, so maybe and now when I do my workshop,

I have a slide. Because my thing is you don't need to be fixed. You

need to be found. It's a slide with a bunch of white balls with one

red one. And I wear a red top and I go see, see,

See? So you find something that works for you that's fun. So alright. So

you were such a vast you have got so much

information. If you were going to talk about I'd like to

kinda stay in the marketing a little bit if that's okay. If you were

gonna talk about three things that people could do,

three small things that people could do that would get

them results that, you know, they don't have to, like, invent a

program or a huge amount of content and that kind of stuff, what would you

say to them? What would you tell them to do? Well,

again, I I think the biggest thing is, like, don't be perfect. Don't

invest in a lot of expensive equipment. You

know, like, when you're doing a podcast or show like that,

you know, you need decent equipment. Don't don't get me wrong, but you don't need

to have the top of the line. I mean, the equipment I have is simple.

It's, I didn't spend a great deal of money on it, and I've had it

for a long time. And I've always think if it's not broken, don't fix it.

And so it's coming across. It's doing the job and it's

getting done. I again, I think the marketing thing

is you want to not hold yourself back because we hold

ourselves back. So you want to be able to move forward and

and really start grabbing a hold of what technology has to

offer. I mean, we've gone from I mean, I've been in this business for years.

I've started with the radio, and I went all Internet based. So a lot of

people said, oh, you need to go on regular television. You need to do all

this stuff. But it was so expensive that I knew that I could not afford

doing that. And if I did, it was going to just cripple me all the

time. So I just stuck with the Internet route because I personally

felt Internet's gonna be our future. This is technology. It's gonna be our

future. And so we went from the radio to the podcast, and now we're going

from the TV, and we're it's broadening. Even the TV

is broadening further because there's more things that we're doing, like, within the

TV range. And so you want to be able to

grab a hold of some of those things and maybe possibly look

at what you're doing because you wanna keep your your dollars

down. So, you know, like our network, the new streaming network,

we do so much and we're on like almost 60 some

platforms now. We're doing what we call streaming, which

is, kind of like what you see now, but they pick up our

stream. So what we do is we do a live show, they pick up our

stream and it streams on out. The only disadvantage that has to

me is that I can't give you the stats on it, but I figure, like,

what the heck, man? If I can get myself on, you

know, three or four different TV stations and they're picking up my

stream and going live with me, I'm not going to worry about the stats.

I mean, I'm just going to get out there. Right? And so I've been

that's funny. I'll go to a meeting, I'll go to someone, they go, oh, yeah,

we've seen you. We heard all about you. It's like, thank

you very much. I really. That's right.

I want to be a thorn. So yeah. I think the thing

that that we, as entrepreneurs,

have a struggle with, okay, at least I

did, is that it is taking people longer

to engage. You know, it used to be, like, seven times or something.

Now it's, like, 12. Mhmm. It also is

we were not taught to toot our own horn. So the idea that

you would put something out or post something out and say, come to my

workshop, come to my workshop, come to my do you know? It's like, oh my

god. These people are gonna be so but I think that if whatever you're

doing, you probably could still do more. And that's a really

uncomfortable place. So that's why it's so good to be on, I think, a lot

of different platforms because you don't know who you're gonna

see. But I think, again, you need to do it in your own way.

So for instance, I do my newsletter, and I take the same thing and put

it in LinkedIn and Facebook and Instagram. It's not the Facebook

format. It's not the Instagram format, but that's me. If I

couldn't do it that way, I probably wouldn't do it at all. I wouldn't spend

the time doing it. Do you know? And so I think

that you what what you're a great

example of is that you have something to share, and you're making it

widely available. And you need to do that.

And within that wide reach, you're still being very specific

Mhmm. About the audit. You know? So you've got the travel you know, the the

singles kind of theme, the thread that goes

through it. Right? So you're like travel as you're single,

what you're doing after divorce, meet you know, meetups, and those

kind of thing. So it has the same similar theme, and yet there

are lots of different ways to enter your world. Mhmm.

Mhmm. Absolutely. Yeah. I I think that's that's the key

is to really get yourself out there and and do a lot of different things

and also get your get yourself on. Like, for

instance, if you have a podcast or you have something like that, it's important to

have guests like you're having me on. Right. Because you're not only

going then I'm going to be capturing your audience and you're going to be

capturing my audience listening and saying, oh,

yeah, let's see what she did. You know, who is this lady? You know, let's

let's see a little bit more about that. So it's important to have guests on

your shows and for you to be a guest. Right. And

so a lot of, individuals don't necessarily do that when they're when you're

coming to marketing, they don't, get on other

people's shows, and they really should get on them and then have

them come on their show and talk about a particular

topic. So

we talked about some simple steps people can take. Mhmm.

Right? So tell us about your freebie and what the best way is to

use that. Well, if anybody wants to contact me,

I usually give a thirty minute consultation. We can talk about really

anything that you're that you're struggling with because I am a

transitional coach. And then, also, you know, I do the divorce

dating. And then, and I'm really,

immersed, I think, into the media now. And so, so if

you've got a podcast or you have a, you know, a platform or something like

that that you maybe feel like you're a little bit stuck or you wanna do

something different, I'd love to be able to talk to someone. We have

various different shows. You know, on our platform, we have at least, I

think, anywhere from 15 to 18 shows per week we're doing

now, and, and we'd like to grow that. So, yeah, so

we'd love to be able to have you on board if you wanna talk about

it. But, yeah, I don't charge for consultation. So if you wanna,

contact me, you can just go to

[email protected]. That's my,

email, and just reach out to me and say you wanna chat, and I'm I'm

happy to, to book a time with you and to do that. And I

think in the show notes, we're gonna have my calendar so people can

actually, book it through the calendar if they want. But, yeah, I would love to

be able to talk to people and and help you in any way any way

you need it. And and I just wanna remind people

that the gift of somebody else's time

is priceless, and it can be so helpful,

bringing a totally different perspective to you. And it's not

something that you necessarily have to be ready for. I

mean, I I can't tell you how many people go, I'm I'm not ready. You

know? Well, the point is that you're never gonna get ready unless you get some

insight to get move you from where you are. And so, you

know, Cece has got the most amazing experiences. She

knows stuff. She knows people. She's in

it for the transition, whatever transition you're struggling with.

So I can't imagine that you could actually finish up in

thirty minutes with all the possibilities, and you would

be really short changing yourself not to take

advantage of this. So it is a fantastic gift, and

I would encourage everybody to take advantage of it.

So let me ask you this. When was the

last time you did something new for the first time?

Well, we were talking about that prior to the show, and I wanted to share

with the audience that I have written a book. And it's called Own the

Mic, Stop Step Into the Spotlight, Launch Your

Show of Your Dreams. So that's my first book that I have

solely written. I'm gonna create a whole series, the news

streaming network create creator series, and you can get it on

Amazon. So the Kindle book, is already out there and the paperback

book is out there. So if you wanna, purchase the book, I would be

honored to have you, you know, purchase book and then maybe give

me a review, you know, if you'd like, I I would love that.

And so I think that's, you know, probably one of the things I've kind of

put myself out there because I haven't, you know, really done something

like that before. Then the other thing is I think we have

to have a balance between, you know, personal life and business.

Right? And so I do a lot of things in my community, like the

dating stuff and the and the divorce stuff, and I have a

great great group of friends. And so this week, oh, we went to the beach

for the first time. So we, we dipped our toes in the water,

which was a little chilly for Florida, but we enjoyed it. It was still

okay. But we had a great time sitting out there, and then we went to

lunch and and just had a wonderful, wonderful time. So I

think you do have to create a balance for yourself. And,

yeah, and that's not always easy to do when you have your own business, you

know, to be able to stop and and smell the roses, so to speak. But,

yeah, we have to do that. Well, I always say I always say,

you know, you can't divide your personal and your professional because you're one

person, right, unless you wanna be, like, psycho. But it's kinda

like a water bed. Do you know? It's like it's

about you're keeping the container, but the water

is going in different places. This is just shows you how old I am. How

long has it been someone who's had water beds? But anyway but the

thing is is, you know, there are times when you're gonna put more time into

your business, more time you know, and you need to you need to plan for

your your vacation and and personal time for sure. I

mean, I would say to anybody, when I talk to them about blocking out their

calendar, I go put your personal time in there first. Because

otherwise, your business time is just gonna, you know, expand. And I

did the same thing. I, you know, I I was telling you that I I

have a a a chocolate lab. And, you know,

we've always had labs, and when the idea was we're water people, let's get them

to work, and we never do. So I we I actually said to my husband

on Saturday, we're going to the beach on Sunday, you know, because the

cutoff for dogs was at the end of the month. So, yes, do

something and you, you know, you come back. When you do when you

spend time in your personal life, I think you come back to your business

life more energized and more focused and more

grounded. Because isn't that why you're one of the reasons you're doing your business? It's

it's to help people and have an impact. But it's also to have a great

life and to feel, you know, that you're doing something.

Yeah. And I like the idea of trying to do something new. You know,

like, if you take, like, every week, try to do something new, something different you

haven't done before. Right? And, I have a good friend, Joanne

Wylan, which I know that you know, and lovely. And

she she what she does is when she goes somewhere, like

goes to a meeting, she'll she'll do her GPS thing or whatever,

and she goes one way, but she never comes back the same

way. She always comes back a different way. And I thought I

thought, man, that is so smart because, you know, she's really

she's doing a different experience. She's having a different experience each time she

does something. So it's like, do something a little bit different. Shake it up.

Get out of the box. You know? It doesn't have to be huge. Mhmm.

It's a mindset. And and I laugh at that because I read a

book years ago, and one of the things was the rule of rigidity. It's like,

if we did it this way, we always do it this way. And I

realized how stuck I was like that.

That if I drove, I always drove in the same lane. I always

moved over the and so I started doing the same thing. It was

like, I would try to make sure that I didn't turn at the

same place that I turned someplace just to see what there was.

Do you know? So I you know, I could say I'm an explorer, even

though I might only be, like, a block off where I normally was. You know?

But it's a it's it's a mindset, and I think that is the

thing in terms of getting out there is that you just have to,

you know, kinda have that, I'm an explorer. What can I find? What's

great? What can I share with other people about the the journey that I'm

on? Yeah.

This is I I I feel like we could just keep going and going, but

we can't. I'm sure we could. It's like it's like when you when you talked

about I mean, I can have funny stories too, but when you talked about, like,

when you were young, and I remember I I've shared this story on on other

places, but, my mother always said, you know, you just got such a

gift for GAP, right? Why do you you know, you're because I got in trouble

in school, right? And she goes, Why? Why do you talk? Why you talk all

the time? You have to stop talking all the time. What are you going to

do for the rest of your life if all you do is talk? And here

I am, a talk show host. Yeah. So, mom,

what can I tell you? Look at me now, mom.

Yeah. See, I'm sure you're up above in heaven. She is laughing about it.

But yeah. But it is true. So you were right. You know, when

when you're young, sometimes you do kinda know your path. Yeah. So

you have to You know, you can I you know, I see the I see

the pattern? You know, once I've, like, kind of identified what

I'm good at, I see the pattern, you know, of where I did

that in my in my whole life and and so many times was discouraged

not to do it. And I think that's the thing that is

very sad because, you know,

my favorite saying is Bookmaster Fuller, who says we were all born

geniuses and then it's educated out of us. And that's true. You

you you know, you're taught to, you know, to act a certain way and to

speak a certain way and to do you know, that kind of thing. Anyway,

we're running out of time. I gotta I gotta stick it in in the commercial.

And so I would hope that those of you that are listening here will,

subscribe and share this and engage with the podcast on social

media. And one of the reasons I did this is I wanted

to do something vibrant for my community.

I wanted to give back so that you could have some additional

information and meet new people so that you can grow your impact and

grow your business. So I hope that you will continue to join me on the

one small change. And on this journey that we're going on, I

hope that if you haven't seen it yet, I have, my first episode

explains why I'm doing this. And I've also started doing because I like

to talk. I also started doing the quarterly clarity

check-in, which is just me talking about things that you should look at

as we go into the new quarter, whatever that quarter happens to be.

So so, Cece, give me some words of wisdom. What's your last

parting word for us? Well, I think the biggest thing

is, like, don't let fear hold you back. You know, be

you. No matter what you do, be you and and just go

forward. Just, you know, if you've got an idea that you

wanna do something, do it because that is that that

is like the universe telling you that you've got to get out there and do

that. So don't hesitate. Don't make it perfect. Don't think you have to

have all the proper equipment. Just do whatever it is

that's telling you to do it. If you need to change jobs, if you need

to whatever you need to do, you know, and, you know,

and get a circle of friends or get a circle of peers

that you can lean on and go to. Because I'm I'm here

today simply because of those people that said kept pushing you and say,

yeah. Yeah. You can do this. You can do this. You could just go try

it. Go try it. So yeah. So don't let fear hold you

back. Absolutely. Absolutely. So that's

it for this episode. And as always remember, the

change is simple, but it's not always easy. And it requires that you

step out of your comfort zone and you have to have a willingness to be

able to pick yourself up if it doesn't work. And that is part

of the journey when you learn things. So I hope you will

stay tuned and come in next time. Until then, stay

curious, everybody.