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RP Book Club Presents Pavlina Tcherneva's The Case For a Job Guarantee
Episode 23819th August 2023 • Macro N Cheese • Steve D Grumbine MS, MBA, PMP, PSM1, ITIL
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RP Book Club spent four weeks on The Case for a Job Guarantee, by Pavlina R. Tcherneva. Each week featured a different guest expert who led the discussion and answered questions. Listeners to this podcast will recognize their names, including Pavlina herself, Fadhel Kaboub, Ben Wilson, and Rohan Grey. We were also honored to have Bill Black and June Carbone join in.

For this episode, Macro N Cheese is releasing the audio recording of all four sessions. Since it is unusually long, the time codes for each segment are included below.


[00:03:09 - 01:55:41] Session One

Guest: Fadhel Kaboub

  • Introduction
  • Chapter 1, “A Public Option for Good Jobs”
  • Chapter 2, “A Steep Price for a Broken Status Quo”


[01:55:41 - 03:17:41] Session Two

Guest: Pavlina Tcherneva

  • Chapter 3, “The Job Guarantee, a New Social Contract and Macroeconomic Model”
  • Chapter 4, “But How Will You Pay for It?”


[03:18:44 - 04:41:57] Session Three

Guest: Ben Wilson

  • Chapter 5, “What, Where, and How: Jobs, Design, and Implementation”


[04:41:57 - 06:29:43] Session Four

Guest: Rohan Grey

  • Chapter 6, “The Job Guarantee, the Green New Deal, and Beyond”


Use this link to order a copy of The Case for a Job Guarantee, by Pavlina R. Tcherneva


Dr. Fadhel Kaboub is Under-Secretary-General for Financing for Development of the Organisation of Educational Cooperation (OEC). He is an Associate Professor of Economics (on leave) at Denison University and President of the Global Institute for Sustainable Prosperity.

@FadhelKaboub on Twitter


Pavlina R. Tcherneva is an Associate Professor of Economics at Bard College, the Director of OSUN’s Economic Democracy Initiative, and a Research Scholar at the Levy Economics Institute, NY.  She specializes in modern money and public policy. Find her work at pavlina-tcherneva.net

@ptcherneva on Twitter


Benjamin C. Wilson is an Associate Professor of Economics at the State University of New York at Cortland and a research scholar at the Global Institute for Sustainable Prosperity.

@autogestion77 on Twitter


Rohan Grey is an Assistant Professor of Law at Willamette University in Salem, Oregon, and the founder and president of the Modern Money Network. MintTheCoin.org

@rohangrey on Twitter

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