Some people online are telling Christians that supporting Israel makes them a heretic. This season, we're sorting out whether that holds up, and episode one starts where it has to: agreeing on what the word 'Israel' even means.

Meet Jesse, SVP of Passages Latino, he has a backstory that shapes everything he brings to this conversation. He and Josiah open the Bible to work through what "Israel" actually means, the two categories the church has debated for two thousand years, and where that viral Tucker Carlson interview missed the point.

In this episode:

⛪️ The two kinds of "Israel" the church has argued about since the early church fathers

🎙️ Where the Tucker Carlson interview went wrong

🇮🇱 Why mixing up "the Jewish people" and "the Israeli government" derails most conversations about this

Resources and verses mentioned:

• Romans 9:6 - Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho - Origen, De Principiis
• "The Genome-Wide Structure of the Jewish People," Nature
• "Abraham's Children in the Genome Era," American Journal of Human Genetics

This episode is sponsored by The Public Interest Fellowship (TPIF), a two-year fellowship for recent grads and young professionals in Washington, DC and New York, NY. https://publicinterestfellowship.org/programs/the-public-interest-fellowship-tpif/