This week we talk with Chris Ballbelly, a belly-bloat content creator. He talks to us about the belly-bloat fetish community, the importance of listening to your body while creating this kind of content, and being a content creator with autism. It's an interesting conversation with a charming individual about a niche area of sex work. Enjoy!

**Trigger Warning: Binge Eating Behavior**

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Pop Rocks & Coke Myth Busters

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Pultinos

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Welcome to A Sex Workers Guide to the Galaxy, where the answer to life, the universe, and everything is sex workers. I'm your host, Parker Westwood. Today I'm coming at you with a more niche podcast. This week, we're talking to Chris Ball Belly about the world of Belly Bloat fetish videos. This is admittedly something I knew nothing about. It's very similar to any other content creation. However, there are some stark differences, and it was just a very interesting thing to learn about. So I hope you enjoy this episode. We end up talking about, of course, the Belly Bloat fetish, some safety tips and just like, things to be concerned with around your body when being involved in this particular kind of fetish content. And then we also get to talk about sex work and autism and just kind of navigating the world as an autistic person who also happens to be a sex worker. So yeah, I hope you enjoy the episode. I do want to put a trigger warning, because we do, we do talk about binging activity, not necessarily as an eating disorder, but as someone who has struggled with an eating disorder in the past, I just feel like this is a it could be triggering to people. So I thought I would just throw that trigger warning out into the mix. Take that for what you will. Take care of yourself, be compassionate with yourself. Yeah, I really care about your well-being so throwing that out there. Um, we're just going to get a little bit of podcast housekeeping out of the way: You can support this podcast on Patreon, at patreon.com/sexyGalaxypod. You can also support the podcast by rating it five stars and leaving a glowing review. I do read all the reviews, and I really love seeing what people have said. Y'all said some nice things, so keep that rolling in love it and good reviews do help get this podcast into more people's ears. So that's great. You can also follow us on Twitter @sexyGalaxypod, or follow me on Instagram @Parker.Westwood. I believe that's all the things. Oh! Oh! If you do... (this is where my brain has been at) If you do, follow us on Patreon, 50% of those proceeds goes towards the work of A Network of Sex Workers to Excite Revolution or ANSWER Detroit, a badass, group of incredible sex workers doing some stuff, and going to be doing even more stuff. I don't want to give too much away. I will have more to promote here about what they're up to and the work that you can support. Do, do, do, do, do, oh, this podcast is sponsored by companion tax. If you are in the sex industry and you need your taxes done because it sucks doing taxes. If you can pay someone to do it, I highly suggest paying companion tax to do it. They've been great to work with. So check them out at companion tax.com and have someone else do your taxes. It's magical. Okay. I think, I think that's all the things. I hope you're having a fantastic day wherever you are. I don't know about all of you, but the- the- the like wi- whiffs of spring that we've gotten these like warmer days. And I don't, you know. I don't know where all y'all are. Some of you are in Australia, which means you're having very different weather than what I'm having. But here in the Midwest of the United States, we've been getting these little whiffs of spring, which, despite the state of the rest of the world has given me just a little bit of hope. It could also be the antidepressants working, but I need both. It's both and, you know? **giggle** so I'm just really grateful for that today, because I just needed, I needed a little bit of hope that the world will become alive again. Yes. So without further ado, we're gonna jump into this interview with Chris Ball Belly.

All right, everyone. I am here with Chris Ball Belly. Thanks for being here, Chris.

Lovely to be here. Happy to be on

Absolutely. So happy to have you here. So would you mind? I normally have guests introduce themselves with their name, their pronouns, their location, if you care to share and what kind of sex work you do.

All right, so name is Chris. I go under the name Chris Ball Belly in my professional work, I am a model belly bloater on PornHub, and trying to get an Onlyfans, if they'll work with the pictures I'm trying to send them. Good Lord. I am based in Huntsville, Alabama, the Rocket City, and I'm more specifically in more the belly bloat fetish. That's kind of the primary thing that I do in sex work, and kind of I've always done in my time in the field,

and it's, um, online content only? Or do you do some in person work as well?

No, it is entirely online.

Cool. And how, how did you get started in sex work? Or how did you find your niche here?

Oh, it's kind of funny. It's a little more humble and benign than what I think most people would find themselves getting into sex work, because I saw people do it on YouTube way back in the day. I'm like talking 2008 2009 when I just by chance, decided to look up. I don't remember specifically why I looked up. Specifically it's been, obviously, it's been quite some time by search up along the lines of Belly Bloat or, yeah, I think it's just like belly blow something. I saw the videos, and I saw what people doing, and I wanted to do it myself. So when I moved to London in 2010 I got a laptop for Christmas that year because I arrived on at the airport Christmas day 2010 which is funny, and I used the camera on that to record myself drinking a two liter bottle of Coca Cola. Now keep in mind, I was pretty young at this point. I was 14 when I uploaded my first video to YouTube, and I did this in a pretty loose fitting pair of boxer briefs, yeah. And that's I kind of would consider that to my start doing. And at the time, I really consider myself to be kind of a sex worker. Was kind of more like a thing that I wanted to do. Never thought that would turn into what I'm doing today. To be honest.

Was it sexual when you were like, 14 and you like, did the two liter bottle? Was it like a sexual thing, or was it just something you were like, Oh, I could do that. Like,

Yeah, definitely, like, I had, I had a bit of a sexual attraction to the whole thing. For the first four or five years, I would frequently get very arousal doing the video. So, and I would be wearing sorts, all sorts of kinds of underwear, thongs, everything, the kind of stuff, while doing the videos. So it was always been kind of a sexual thing to me. In fact, back back in when I lived in Utah, because I'm originally a Utah native, I moved all over the place. Yeah, I'm a well traveled man. In the couch that we had living room in this house had a bunch of catalogs in it, and it was open to me like it was, it was catalogs of clothing. I would kind of open up the catalog and then point at certain parts of the bodies of the models in the photos. So I've always had a bit of a kind of a sexual attraction to this kind of thing. It's never been kind of something that, oh, here's something I like to do. Let's just do it. It's, there's, there's, there's a definite meaning behind it.

Yeah, I, I was thinking that because of the, like, 14 year years old was like, when I started to acknowledge and play with my my fetishes and things. So I was like, oh, that's like, right around that, that age range where it kicks in. Is it mostly men doing Belly Bloat videos? Or is this like, what are the oh, what's the word I'm looking for? Oh, it's there. I can I can feel it on the tip of my tongue. What are the like, yeah, what's the breakdown? I can't think of the word, but like men women, like, what does it look like? As far as the belly bloat community goes?

09:09

well, because belly Bloating is a fetish and kind of an erotic kind of thing. It focuses on a pretty large portion of the body, regardless of belly or physical physique or body type. It can mean different things, both men and women do it. In fact, some of the first videos I found on YouTube of the thing were of women. I really didn't get into watching men do it until maybe couple months after I discovered the whole thing. Like, personally for me, like I'm I'm a kind of a tall, skinny guy, and people over the years grew to like that about me. But the women that I saw do it were kind of the same thing, like that, like they did much of the same thing that the men did, just kind of, instead of a dude doing it, it's a female. I personally found that a full belly for a man is a. Uh, more rigid in terms of shape. And then they then the female, I think females get more of a, can't believe I'm using this word, more of a curve. Like it. Like it, like you go down beneath the breast, and then all of a sudden it kind of curves around, and it goes down towards the nether regions. Uh, but for men, it's more more from what I've seen, it's more of a more of a sudden kind of change. Now I'm not like that. For me, when I when I get a full stomach, my stomach has this much the same that I've seen women's bellies do, is that it test starts flat with my flat chest, and kind of goes like it is curved around,

Yeah. Like an arch rather than like, a sudden angle. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. One of my personal, I wouldn't call mentors, but kind of like one of the people that I looked up to for so many years is full of water. He was, he's famous for his vore story videos. And if you're not hit vor or I've actually done a few of them myself, it's basically they're short, erotic, short stories in video form, where the person, the person fake eats a stuffed animal or toy, or, in his case, gummy bears. That said the whole thing about VORs eating stuff that you normally wouldn't eat, which is, to me, is incredibly erotic for me, his He's famous for those his belly kind of, he's got a kind of a flat, kind of a muscular chest, his belly, just like, just like, just just had just this dive, deep dive curve. It's just flat all the way down, yeah, yeah. Like, it just kind of depends on, like, your body type and kind of what gender you are, because it can differ quite a bit. And I think that's probably the reason why, mostly men tend to get into it, because it tends to be, it tends to look a little bit more I wouldn't call masculine, but to me, it kind of looks more like masculine.

Yeah, no, I could see that. I could definitely see that. That's so fascinating. I'm curious, because I know nothing about this particular fetish community. So would you walk us through, like, a day in the life of, like, when you're participating in this, like, form of sex work and filming content? Like, what is that? What does that look like? What do you have to do to prepare?

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Honestly, it's, it's, it's just as easy as going to all you need it can eat buffet and gorging yourself.

Wow!

yeah, it's literally just like, for me, like, I've recently expanded my my reach onto Instagram, and it's kind of an easy way for me to get myself out there doing, I mean, I don't like Instagram won't let me be naked on the platform. That's kind of a kind of unfortunate. That's why, that's why I have Twitter for because Twitter is all for it, for some reason.

Right. Yeah.

But we kind of go to here in Huntsville. There's an Asian buffet. It's an all you can eat. I could just go there, spend 20 bucks in total, and then having a painfully full stomach by the end.

Wow.

But there's, there's, there's more to labeling than kind of that. There's, I would consider labels to be kind of categorized into a few categories. There's bloats, stuffings, enemas, and inflations. If you probably heard of enema before, it's kind of a more of a common term in sex work than the other ones are. But a bloat is kind of like what I would consider a Belly Bloat, where you use liquid to fill up your stomach. Stuffing is much of the same, but with food, enema is when you stick a hose up your ass and fill it with water. And inflation is much of the same, but with air. So I want to do, say, like a coke and mentors book the famous coconuts reaction that was made famous by a parody on ER, you probably, if you see in that video, is absolutely hilarious. I love it. It was, it was a video. It was a parody of an episode on ER about urban legends and Pop Rocks, and Mentos is one of the topics in that video, right? That's right, but the coca Mentos, it's it's different for me, because I've been doing these kind of, kind of a coca Mentos boat for so long, I kind of gotten a method, a methodology, on how to do it. The problem is, with Coke and Mentos is that once the Mentos become in contact with your saliva, the nucleation sites, the thing that allows bubbles to form once it hits the Coke, start to wear away. And once they're in your stomach, it's an even worse situation. So what I would do as I would crack open a stick of Mentos, mint or fruity flavor. Both of them work. They both have the nucleation sites on it. Count about 10-15, of them at the most, swallow them all whole, and then go for the Coca Cola. Drink as much of that as I can. And if you do it right, you should hear the Mentos foam up in your stomach and feel the coke start to bubble up inside of you. And I can tell you that is probably some of the most best feeling you're ever going to get out of any fetish. I guarantee you.

Ohhh. Woah!

It is so awesome. But there's also, you can also do Alkaseltzer bloats. That's actually kind of a fun one, although for me, I took the gas test to enter my lower, lower digestive tract faster than with the Coke and Mentos. All you really just got to do is kind of swallow a Alkaseltzer whole and drink some water, and then

There you go.

Once it's in your stomach, it's going to bubble up and release all the bubbly goodness that you would normally get in a glass of water with the stuff.

Yeah.

But for me, it just kind of depends on what I want to do. Since I moved into this new house, I've been having more freedom on where I can do these kind of things. And actually uploaded a video to Pornhub not too long ago where I was just standing in my kitchen. What was I wearing? I actually have it pulled up on Chrome right now. What was I wearing? I was a I was wearing one of my favorite thongs. I think it was actually the male power one, oh, that's a good look one. I was just staying in the kitchen wearing that thong and just eating a eating an entire pizza. I think I wasn't able to finish it, but I was, I looked very nice in it,

of course. So good. As as you were talking about, like, the things you have to think about to get the Coke and Mentos reaction to happen in your stomach rather than, like, outside. I was just like, oh, this is fascinating, because I'm a little bit nerd that way. It's so cool the things you have to think about. And I can, I guess, what I imagine is that, that can, there can be some dangers there, when you're talking about things expanding in your stomach, like, are there things you have to be careful of, like, to not hurt yourself

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Absolutely now, I should probably preface everything I'm about to say by saying this is not a fetish you want to die for. It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun, and it can be incredibly erotic when you get it right. But there's a reason why your body tells you things, like your when your stomach is too full, you feel sick. When you drink too much water, you feel dizzy. Yes, you know, you get hypo. You get hypernatremia. You get hypo. I'm trying to figure back to those chubby emo videos on YouTube, what he calls and there's three medical terms in this, but there are, there are signs that, that your body will tell you that you've overdid it, and it honestly depends on your on how big you are. Like, I'm a tall guy. I can, I can eat plenty more calories than of my own weight, than most people can, right? But going back to the Coke and Mentos, you probably remember the MythBusters actually did bit of a short test on this using a pig stomach, because for some somehow pig stomachs are the perfect facsimile for human stomach.

Yes, yeah. I love Mythbusters like so, so hard. You can still want, I think you can still find this particular test on YouTube videos. If you find it, I'll link it in the show notes so people can check it out. Yeah, it's a tool. And they've ultimately found that if you consume pop, rocks and Coke, you're not going to explode. Good to know. A problem with that test is that they used a dead pig stomach. And the thing about the human stomach is that it's it's a muscle, but it's also a folded muscle. Yeah, and it's very much alive. Yeah. So a pig stomach is not going to unfurl itself dead as it would as a as an alive, as a living human stomach, yeah. So you there is a possibility that you can hurt yourself if you overdo it. Um, now just got it's really just a matter of listening to your body what it's telling you. Like, if you feel sick, like, doesn't necessarily mean you have to stop. It's just kind of a sound like, "hey, take it careful from here. We're starting to get to our capacity here." With that being said, you this is just like with any other muscle in your body, the stomach can be trained to hold more food. This is actually, there's actually kind of a of a method that professional eaters tend to use to increase their own capacity, so that when they go to, like a hot dog eating contest, they're able to kill the competition. And they focus, they focus on your body's salience. And what that is, is that an empty stomach is not going to have a whole lot of acid in it's not gonna have a whole lot of enzymes. It's not gonna have a lot of, you know, stomach juices within it that doesn't have it doesn't start excreting those things until you eat something. But there, there is a delay, there is a buffer period before that starts. So what, what these professionals are going to do is that they're going to try to eat foods that are low in fats, acidic foods, or foods high in sugar, to train themselves and try to consume as much of it as possible before sailing takes in. Because once kicks in, and your stomach starts producing all of these acids and enzymes. That starts because the process of digesting. It's already to the point where this, where the brain is aware of how full the stomach is, and it starts to give you those signals that says, hey, we're starting to get full here. Slow down. Oh, so you're not only-- You're trying to listen to your body, but you're also trying to, like, trick your brain, to push-- be able to push yourself to a limit.

Yeah, because, like, when, when you stretch your stomach beyond its limits, when it comes back stronger, once it retracts, just like any other muscle in the body.

Uh, interesting,

Yeah. Now a whole lot of people know about this, because it's not something that they would normally think of, but it it works. I've over the-- When I first started doing this whole thing, I could barely finish a liter of fizzy water. But after doing it, for doing it for so long, like, I've, I've, I've been able to eat 2000 calories in one sitting, like there's a Pizza Hut just down the street from me. I'm a regular customer. They know exactly what I want. Every single time, there are times I'm just mindlessly eating the damn thing and I like, it's like, like a large taste maker. I'm done with about three quarters of it, maybe in like, 10-15, minutes, because I just mindlessly eat it. Now, should you mindlessly go out and mindlessly eat much of food? Well, it's more complicated than that. It's just for me, like I'm ADHD is, like, I'm going to watch TV, and I forget that I'm eating the food.

Oh, yeah, Mhmm.

15 minutes past and half of it's in my stomach.

Yeah,

But yeah, the moral story is, just listen to your body. Your body's going to know better than you will. You may think psychologically that you're fine, but you don't know what's your what your stomach's going to know. There's a reason there are receptors,

Right. And just like, just like any other skill, sport, like muscle group that you might want to train, you have to train your stomach to be able to handle...

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That. That and once-- the more your stomach is able to contain more food and stretch further, the further a lot, the further more food it will take beyond that to trigger a nauseating effect.

Wow.

Because basically, those receptors aren't going to aren't going to start activating until you stretch it out to a certain point,

Right. Wow, that's so fascinating. I knew the stomach was very flexible muscle, like it stretches and is all that, but I never thought about like training it. And what's really funny is that this is not the first time that, like professional food eating has come up this week in my life for whatever reason. So just fast, that's just interesting to me. Um, so you've been doing you've been doing content like this for over 10 years? Correct?

Yeah, I uploaded my first video in January, 2011

Wooooow.

I was just in London for maybe about a month or two after before I uploaded this.

That's amazing. Ummm...What would you-- I guess I'm curious. Like, what would you want your younger self just starting out in this, or, like, someone just starting out in this to know now that you've been in it for 10 years,

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Honestly, know your limits. You're not going to be able to consume an entire large pizza all at one space of 15 minutes right on your first try. It takes time again train those stomach is muscle. You got to train it. And like, no, like, literally, Muhammad Ali did not become the world's greatest boxer just on his first day, so your stomach is not going to be the world's greatest food holder on your first days. Like, know your limits, but know that the limits are not finite.

Right. Absolutely. I was just curious, how-- do you think most of your viewers are men or women or do you know?

Well, thankfully, YouTube has metrics for this.

Heyo! We love metrics.

Yeah, YouTube Analytics actually tells you the proportion of male to female viewers in your audience, depending if they have that verified.

Do they have a non binary option? Just curious,

They do not. Unfortunately.

That checks out.

YouTube is not gonna probably, I could do that anytime soon. Unfortunately, that's kind of one of the reasons why I left it. But over the course I've I opened up my first video in 2011 and I left YouTube in 2020 I think, I think that was the last time I think I opened my first video in 2020 throughout that entire time span, I think maybe 90% of the viewers on that channel were just men alone, not only just men, but men aged 40 and above. Interesting, yeah. So clearly there is kind of a generational divide as to who who enjoys kind of the content that I do, but that's not their own. That's their prerogative. They I'm not going to knock them for for liking. What they like is like, if they if they want to see a boy blow the stomach in a pair of underwear, then that's that. That's what they want to do. I'm not going to knock them for that. In fact, I welcome it. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean you were, you were creating that content. So of course.

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I'm putting it on in the public so I don't really get to control who watches it, right?

Exactly. Yeah, wild. Um, okay. But I was just, I was just so curious, like, what the viewership looks like for for these videos. My My suspicion was that it was like more men, but I wasn't-- I didn't want to make assumptions. This is definitely a male dominated kind of field. The vast majority of-- not necessarily professional belly bloaters, especially, actually, especially on PornHub, but the vast majority of the people that I've seen are men. Oh, that are belly bloaters? Yeah, yeah. Like they go across the spectrum, both men and women. Little Miss Belly is probably one of the most notable examples. She is-- She can consume quite a hefty amount of food. I can tell you one thing. Wow, Little Miss Belly. And she's one of the oldest players in this field. I don't think she does anything anymore, but if you look around, you may be able to find some of our old videos, especially on YouTube, because they might still be up. Okay, I'm gonna pivot the conversation a little bit here. Go for it! When we were talking, we had a phone call. Listeners, I'll admit, we had a phone call to talk about this episode beforehand. You shared with me that you are on the autism spectrum. Indeed, I am, and I was curious, like, how-- if sex work has been a better fit for you like being autistic, and if you don't mind sharing, like, when you found out you were autistic, and like, just kind of sharing a little of that,

26:18

Well, a very defining characteristic of Asperger Syndrome, for me specifically, is very narrow, very narrow interests. And the Wikipedia article in Asperger Syndrome actually describes this kind of dichotomy quite well, where they have a picture of a boy stacking cans and to a normal person, that may seem rather weird. What's the point of just randomly stacking cans? But we got to remember this boy is autistic.

Right.

This is an interest to him, you know, he likes to stack cans, so he's going to do it.

Yeah.

For me, going back to when I described that house in Utah, those, those, those photos of those of the models in underwear and whatnot in those catalogs, was a particular interest to me because I would, I would, you know, get done eating at the table, I would go pull out a catalog and start pointing out their bellies in the the catalogs. And I think that's probably, that's that aspect of special interests, is probably what contributed towards my general interest in belly bloating as a whole, maybe not, not necessarily, as my entry into sex work entirely, is that is the source of it. It's, it's definitely more psychological and biological, I think, in my opinion.

Yeah.

But it definitely did have a an effect on me, because once I moved over to Colorado, which is actually the second place I lived, I would when I was lived there, I actually had this set of PJs that were based on Spider Man, and they were, they were a little more tire fitting than most PJs kids my age would have at the time. And what I would do is I would grab a bottle of fizzy water because we as this was still a time when my parents stock that stuff because it was cheaper than soda altogether. I would take it with the door open mind you, go to my room and start drinking it, while also running my finger down my stomach to see how full it was.

Wow.

Once I realized this is something I need to be doing privately, I moved to doing it in my closet. Now this, this whole thing was starting to happening once I got my-- excuse me, good lord. Once I I'm freaking out. I'm freaking handed Mountain Lightning right now because I need the caffeine.

Yes, caffeine helps with interviews

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that and I may have addiction to it, don't tell anyone.

Well, same, I feel you.

but yeah, I would go into my closets, strip down, including naked, and put a blanket over my belly and start drinking Coca Cola or Sprite or whatever we had on hand. I think that's kind of what solidified my love for it. And it was also the same time when all this was happening that I was starting to get treatment for my Asperger's. Now the thing, the thing about Asperger's is that it's a common co diagnosis with ADHD, it's not, it's not too uncommon for someone to get them both at the same time or sometime short time apart. So and what doctors will typically do is prescribe you stimulate the medication, usually in the forms of either methylphenidate, also known as Ritalin or amphetamine. You can find like Adderall and Vyvanse and those kind of things. Yeah, I started on methylphen date. I actually used a ton of different varieties of it. We just kept trying different things. To be working a segment is going to work in a similar depending on what it is, Ritalin and amphetamine work in two different ways. I'm not gonna get into too many details, because, as there's a lot of there's a lot of complex. Of neurochemistry going going on behind it, but basically, we found that methylfinity did not work as well as Adderall did. But the thing about Adderall that methylphenidate does not seem to have is an increases libido. Oh, so you so voter pills like Viagra or sex sex drive, increasing drugs you can find at the local pharmacy store do the same thing, but Adderall does but Adderall does it too. So while I was taking these drugs, specifically basic Adderall, I was having this, I was having more of a sex drive way before I was supposed to, right, okay, but because of my autism. It didn't, it didn't kind of click to me that this is something that was supposed to be looked, looked down upon, and honestly, I didn't really care. Yeah, this is something that I liked, so I was going to do it because there's a special interest. And when it comes to special interest, autistic people are kind of hard to turn away from, yeah, because we have, we have so much drive to do it, so it's kind of hard to stop us.

Yeah. When-- Because, how old were you like, 7 -- I guess, getting seven/eight? When?

I think I was about nine years old, once I started stimulant medication, I got a decently late diagnosis. I think I was diagnosed at eight. Didn't really start medication until maybe about 10 months after,

Yeah, and that's I feel like, especially with, like, developing a fetish at that age, it's like, you're not really told-- you're not necessarily told the stigma right away, like you don't no one's preparing you for, like the birds and the bees conversation at age nine, necessarily. Oh, no. Um, I also had like, a sex conversation with my mother early, because I my sex drive kicked in super early as well, and, um, ended up needing, needing to have that conversation a little sooner. But yeah, like you don't have that same sort of registering that it's like the stigma, or that it shouldn't be done in the living room or whatever. So it's interesting that you bring that up as well.

This is also a time in any kid's life, where the actions you do now could have the same repercussions later. So because I was doing this from a such a young age, it kind of kind of solidified the behaviors that would come later in life. Even though it was about four or five years later, it was still kind of like, okay, I did this younger. I'm kind of, I'm kind of stuck with it now is because you really can't, you really can't, like, stave away these kind of thoughts once you're in that kind of position. That's true. And, I mean, like, oftentimes someone's fetish is grounded in something in their childhood. Yeah, yeah. So, like, it's, it's has its roots in your childhood and oftentimes you grow up and you're just like, why am i into this thing? Like, why do I like having a plastic bag over my head? I don't know, but that's, that's the thing I like. So it's really and usually you can track it back to something in your childhood, but not always. But yeah, that's that is so fascinating. I know you were talking, you wanted to talk a little bit about, like, being neurodivergent in the sex industry and, like accessibility. So do you want to speak to that, like, the accessibility of within sex work for neurodivergent folks? Well, I the best thing I can recommend is, again, know your limits, basically, that's what it all comes back to. Because there's a reason why it's called the autism spectrum. You could be at one end, at PDB nos, where you're not really on the spectrum. You do kind of exhibit some symptoms of autism. Or you could be at the other end, where it's classic autism, where you may not be able to speak or under understand basic, basic anything really. You may be the kind of person who gets really frustrated, real easy, and may be prone to outbursts that can harm other people. That's kind of, that's kind of part and parcel. When it comes to autism, it's just something that we have to deal with, not something that society is not really, too, re-- readily able to accept. Another thing is that people with autism tend to have more sensitive senses, and it's different for different people. For me, I've been more sensitive to loud noises when I was when I was a kid, I would, I would be notified ahead of time of fire drills, which was against state policy, but because I was so sensitive to the loud noises the fire alarms make, I would have to be brought away to a different location while it was going on.

Wow. Yeah.

Because of the IED program New Jersey at the time, which is the third place I live, certainly not the last it, I was able to get that approved by the State Board of Education. It wasn't, it wasn't like this, the Roxbury township Board of Education the state. Made that decision, yeah, because it is def it is definitely against state policy for that. But some people with autism may be sensitive to spells. They might be sensitive to light. They might be sensitive to touch, which is something particularly problematic in sex work, because you, you may be doing that kind of thing where touching is part of the part of the job is kind of the job description. Yeah, some people may be sensitive to that. And honestly, it's kind of not necessarily a matter of working through it. It's finding coping. Like for me, I would that the way I would cope with fire drills is I would be brought off site to another building, which, for some reason, would still get me when those fire alarms would go off.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, like the building Lincoln Roosevelt Elementary. There's a building completely related to school across the street. It's kind of an office. I'd be right there when the fire alarms go off, they still get me, like, I'll be I would be scared when they go off. And I was a solid 100 feet from a school. So being so when you're bringing neuro divergent on the in sex work, just know where your limits are and be. Make sure you have your sense of consenting before anything happens. Make sure you let people know like, hey, you know, I might be sensitive to this. And make sure that they are understanding that if you touch them in a certain way, they may, they may feel extremely uncomfortable and agitated, the point where they, they could, could, very realistically have an outburst again, is kind of part and parcel. It's just, it's just like for me, like I don't have a whole lot of sensitivity to touch. I might have a kind of a relatively low pain tolerance, because, like, if I get, if I get a cut on my finger from paper cut, I tend to wallow in pain for a couple minutes. So that that's kind of a thing for me, but most of the people, it just kind of depends on where you land on the spectrum. Honestly, for sex work, I would find between Asperger and PDD NOS is kind of the place you kind of want to land for the kind of the best of both worlds. Because you may, you may have that kind of, that little trait of Asperger, that maybe, maybe intelligence trait, but you may not have the sensitivity that it may come with.

Yeah. Well, I mean, you certainly seem to have found a niche that works for you, which is really great. And I love, I love seeing that. Um, oh, I was gonna ask, do your Does your family know that you do belly bloat content? Or is that something that's like, Absolutely not. No one in your family knows?

That is a tricky question to question answer, believe it or not. Um, a few years ago, we were still living in New Jersey, they apparently came into the knowledge from a family member that what I was doing, this is still on on YouTube at the time. So it was, it was, it was no surprise that they end up finding it eventually. It was kind of only a matter of time where one of my uncles managed to find a video of me doing it on the on YouTube and report it to my father. The funny thing is, after they told me to stop, they kind of forgot about it.

Yeah.

They kind of forgot about never bothered me about it again, until I still haven't bothered me about it to this day, even though I'm on PornHub now, which is makes it highly unlikely that they'll ever find it.

Yeah.

I don't think my father or mother or sister, even when my uncles are going to have any half of mine to go on PornHub anytime soon. Good lord.

Yeah. Well, it sounds like they just, you know, approached you about it once, and then they were like, "and we will never speak of this again."

I guess that's the only explanation I have. Like, they just don't want to talk. Maybe they do know. I don't know. Yeah, I just don't want to talk about it.

They don't want to know, yeah,

Yeah. They're like, ah, we'll just let the slide. I guess he's fine with it'll be fine.

Yeah. I find that that's a lot of people's thing. They'll like, approach it once, and then just be like, and if you continue to do it, I just don't want to know about it.

Pretty much.

Oh, that's so wild. And do you have a good community of, like, friends or fellow belly blow up fetishists that like are supportive?

Yes, actually, during my time on YouTube, I actually garnered quite a, quite a vibrant community of people rallying around this whole thing. There wasn't any toxicity in the community. People really genuinely loved the work that I had doing. And I actually keep up with with, actually, quite a few, quite a few of them. To this day. Some of them were on Messenger. Another couple are on Discord. One of them ended up becoming my boyfriend. Cool. And we're trying to, we're trying to get a plan going for going to camp crucible and Aberdeen, Maryland this summer.

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Ooooh.

Yeah, if you're not hip to camp crucible, it is. Is a camping event for people who love fetishes and kinks out in the Lost Woods of Aberdeen, Maryland. It is also clothing optional, which is what I'm really excited for. And if it weren't for the work that I had been doing and keep developing such a strong community, I don't think I would have ever met him. Yeah, I probably would have gone other paths.

Oh, I love that. That is such a that's such a sweet thing. And that's, I mean, that's the-- communities are just so wonderful to have. And like, whether or not you find romantic love in there, it's amazing. But I'm so glad you did. That's really exciting. Yeah, so good. Well, one of the questions I usually ask folks, like towards the end of the interview, before we get into rapid fire questions, is, what's something you want the greater public to understand about sex workers, or sex work as a whole,

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that there's different strokes for different blokes. You know, you might people. There are going to be people who really don't see belly bloating as anything to be loved. And I don't like to go back to a comment that Jeremy Clarkson made on Top Gear one time where a guy who drives a toy to Corolla, you know, a car that is really unremarkable, nothing really to write home about, apart from, you know, value and reliability is not going to look at a portion 911 career GT, the same way that a guy who drives that car would. There are two different cars for two different peoples. I see something in belly bloating that the 99th percentile does not. So it's just, it's just understanding that, you know, some people are, there are tastes in sex work as there are tastes with movies. There are tons of people who love Marvel, but I'm the guy who rallies behind DC Comics.

Yeah.

It's just my personal, personal taste. And the same thing can be applied to sex work as well. It's just what you are into. And I think people should understand that.

Yeah. I love that. I don't know that that's been one of the answers, and I think that's a really important one. So are you ready for some rapid fire questions?

Bam Bam Bam! Let's go for it.

Okay, sweet pancakes or waffles?

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Waffles, absolutely 100%

vanilla or chocolate?

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can I say both?

Yeah,

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both? Just mix them together and have vanilla chocolate.

Oh, yeah, it sounds so good. What were you gonna ask before that?

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And I was actually gonna say, if you've ever been to a residence inn anytime soon, just walking into that dining hall every morning, smelling those waffles being fried up on that griddle. There's nothing like it waffles.

They're just the best. They're the best. Now we all know what I would choose if you could get one car right now. What would it be?

You know, this is one so easy, because I've been trying to look for one on vroom last couple of weeks. A 2021, Dodge Charger, my 392 scat pack.

Oh, very nice.

I want that. I want that 392 big block. I want it so bad.

Yeah! I knew when, when we had our phone call we talked about that you're into cars a bit, so I wanted to at least bring it up a little bit. What's your favorite Place you've ever been?

Pass of Denali, Italy.

Oh, excellent.

I was on a ski trip one time when I was living in London, and first, the first trip we took was actually the passive Denali is a gorgeous ski resort in the in the Italian Alps. It is a fantastic place to be in. The slopes aren't half bad either.

Oh, that sounds beautiful. What is one book from your mandatory reading list?

Smarter, faster, better. By Charles Duhigg, if you want to know how certain people work together in certain situations and environments, or how people stay productive when they have the worst situation in front of them. You want to read it.

Sweet. Excellent. Umm, A song, an album, or a musical artist that you've you're currently obsessed with. Oh, I actually, I have two. The first is Junkie XL. I've been, I've been, I've been recently listening to the album, big sound of the drags. Love, like razor blade kicks, so much ass. And the second one is Jeff nor he's he does a lot of the music for the Sid Meier civilization games. He did it for Civ five, SIV beyond Earth, and SIV six, if you like kind of that, that, like, like, American eyes, kind of world music you want to listen to. The soundtrack of those games is sooooo good. Do you play those games as well?

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amazing, cool. What is your hidden talent?

Ooh, I think it's my charm.

Oh, what a good answer.

Sure I have, like, I have the kind of innate ability to kind of brighten up a room when I go into it, because I, because I have that kind of, like, quirky sense of humor that really not a whole lot of people tend to have, yeah,

oh, that's so I we've never gotten that answer before. That is a good one. Um, finish this sentence. Good sex is...

Good sex is best on a full belly. There you go. Got it. Got it,

Ever on brand. And if you could have one superpower, what would it be?

Shoot lightning for my fingers. That's solid. And then something simple that brings you joy.

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The key ring on my on my car keys. Sometimes, a lot of the time, when it's in my pockets, I'll just stick my hand into it and start fidgeting with the key ring.

Is it anything in particular or just like...

It's just a metal it's just a metal key ring. This just as a box, center, middle key ring that keeps all my stuff together. Oh, and that brings me a ton of joy.

That's so great. I love that those are my fa--, one of my favorite questions, because it's like, it really is, like smallest things that that do it for us. It's just a matter, like for autistic people not to go on too much of a tangent, fidgeting, also known as stimming, is something that they do to bring them some sort of comfort. They usually do it in response to an emotional change, so they'll kind of fidget with something to kind of bring them back to a more level state. Yeah,

and I'm no different.

That's so great. The key ring. Well, cool. That brings us to the end of rapid fire questions. So thank you so much for being on the show. This was an absolute pleasure. You have such a great energy

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Again. That's the charm of me.

It's a charm. So let's say goodbye to the listeners. Goodbye. Listeners,

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goodbye. I hope you see you again. No?

One of us had to do a voice! And that was my interview with Chris Ball Belly. I have put his links in the show notes, as well as some links to some of the things that we referenced. As always, I try to have robust show notes so that y'all can find the things that we talked about. So check those out. Sometimes there's hidden gems in there. Yeah, I don't know about you, but I learned a lot. I walked in completely blind. I think for this one, I really tried not to do any research, because I wanted to come in kind of as dumb as possible to this, to this to this topic and like not be afraid to ask the stupid questions. There are no stupid questions, but I don't know. I so if you were ever in my inbox, I think you'd beg to differ. There are some stupid questions, especially when there's a website that provides information. I'm just saying you know who you are, or maybe you don't. I actually bet you don't know who you are. So I just want to say I appreciate everyone who reads my website before they try to book. It's really helpful. Shows initiative. Okay, Space Fact. We gotta do Space Fact. Okay, so this time the space fact, I'm just gonna you guys. My ADHD is just running rampant these days. So I'm just gonna give you a little insight into what happened as I was trying to figure out what our space facts should be this time. And I was like, Oh, I was looking up space facts for kids. And then it said that there are eight planets in our solar system, and it didn't name Pluto. And I remember that Pluto was canceled as a planet. It was demoted. It whatever happened. And I was like, God, I wonder what Pluto did to get canceled. And then my brain immediately goes to, we don't talk about Pluto. No, no, no, we don't talk about Pluto. I haven't even seen this fucking movie. It's just out there in social media, and that is what my brain did. So the actual fact is that Pluto became a dwarf planet. It was indeed demoted Felix, and there was Felix has feelings about Pluto being demoted, and so do I, and a lot of other people did too. I know it was unfair. Um, I'm literally just Googling things right now, but you get to come on this ride with me. Um. Um, so in order for a planet, well, okay, if in order for a celestial being, does it? Is that? What is that? What we would call it, uh, a spatial mass. I don't know. In order for something to be considered a planet, a full size planet, not a dwarf planet or a party sized planet or travel size planet, I don't know, whatever. In order for something to be considered a full size planet, it has to orbit around the sun. It has it has to have sufficient mass to assume hydrostatic equilibrium, or a nearly round shape, and it has to have cleared the neighborhood around its orbit. I don't know what that means. Pluto meets two of these criteria, losing out on the third in all the billions of years it has lived there, it has not managed to clear its neighborhood. So basically, it means that there are no other spatial bodies or things of comparable size other than its own satellites, or those otherwise under its gravitational influence in its vicinity in space. So Pluto does not meet that because there are other things which shares its orbital neighborhood, such as Plutinos, what the fuck is a Plutino?! It just casually mentions Plutino and doesn't really tell us what it is so any large body that does not meet these criteria is now classified as a dwarf planet, and that includes Pluto, which shares its orbital orbital neighborhood with Kuiper Belt objects such as the Plutinos. What the fuck are plutinos? And then it just launches into the history of Pluto, it doesn't even tell me what a plautino is. Okay, just, just for all of us who are curious, what is a plutino? What is a plutini? What is a plutino? Hey, anyone out there who's a bartender... plutini, just saying. Please, for the love of all that is good. Okay, a plutino is a small plane-like body orbiting the sun in the region of the Kuiper belt and in resonance with Neptune. Does that mean Pluto? Pluto is a plutino? Plu--- In astronomy, the platinos are a dynamic-- a dynamical group of trans-Neptunian objects, the door planet, Pluto is the largest member, as well as the namesake of this group. Thank God we figured that out. So welcome to this extended space fact, a plutino is just one of Pluto's younger sisters that are hanging out in the neighborhood. Great. Nanu Nanu, motherfuckers!

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