Allison Dubois sits down with master astrologer Tom McMullen to delve into the chilling case of the Zodiac Killer, exploring the potential identities of the infamous murderer who terrorized the San Francisco Bay area from 1962 to 1970. The conversation centers around two primary suspects: Arthur Lee Allen and Gary Francis Post, with Tom examining their birth charts to uncover insights into their personalities and possible motivations. As they analyze Allen's Sagittarian traits and Post's Scorpio characteristics, they discuss how these astrological elements may correlate with their criminal behaviors. The episode raises intriguing questions about the nature of serial killers, the psychological profiles of these suspects, and the lack of conclusive evidence that has kept the true identity of the Zodiac Killer shrouded in mystery. Listeners are invited to consider how astrology might provide a unique lens through which to understand the energies behind such dark figures.

When it comes to serial killers, I think it's rare that we get to know exactly who their first kill was and who was their last.

We only know the details wrapped up in what they confess to or what DNA evidence can prove.

So we really don't know how many victims the Zodiac Killer truly had.

There are conflicting hypotheses.

Recently, I watched a Netflix special, this is Zodiac speaking.

A documentary about murder suspect Arthur Lee Allen and the children who grew up thinking of him as a father figure.

After watching the documentary, you walk away convinced that Allen is the Zodiac.

That man is Gary Francis Post.

Who?

The Casebreakers, a group comprised of 40 retired and part time CSI, investigators, federal agents, forensic specialists, military intel officers, and criminal justice experts believe that Post is the Zodiac Killer.

The FBI does have a partial DNA profile of the killer, as well as the taunting letters sent to the police department that the Zodiac Killer allegedly sent.

The stamps and envelope were licked by the sender, which could be a huge piece of evidence.

But law enforcement says there may not be enough DNA evidence from the stamps or envelopes for law enforcement to test, leaving us all frustrated.

Can Tom McMullen give us insight into the suspect's energy through their birth charts?

So, although astrological charts are inadmissible as evidence, there's no reason why we can't take a look for ourselves.

Their time of birth wasn't listed, so neither of the rising signs can be definitively determined.

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That was a mouthful.

Tom, I know that looking at Dark Souls charts is a bit unnerving for you.

Yes, it is.

But I'm so excited to hear what you could See, in their birth charts.

Yes.

You've drawn me into the web of murderers.

I don't like that.

The dark web.

Yeah, yeah.

Because I go into their energy and I don't like going into dark energy.

But nonetheless, for you, Allison, in a sense, you're the macabre queen.

Murder is my middle name.

Just kidding.

I'm kidding.

Now, finding them as your middle name.

Yes, that's.

That's more accurate.

So this YouTube, I'm sorry, the.

The Netflix special that I watched was riveting, and it had pictures and.

And real interviews from the kids who grew up, and I just found it fascinating to see.

So are we starting with Arthur Lee Allen?

No, we're going to start with Gary.

We're starting with Gary.

Starting with Gary Francis Post.

Both of them are nightmares, obviously.

Yes.

But, you know, I started with him.

It just seemed the one to start with.

And there's a lot of similarities.

But of course, a lot of the similarities are based on when they were born in their generation, because they were both in the military, which was.

Every man was in the military during that time.

Right.

And you know, Arthur Lee Allen, he was born in 33.

But I started off with Gary Francis Post.

And so what we're going to talk about, I'll go into their signs.

The planets and their signs and their aspects don't have the time.

So there will be a lot of information I do not have, but I have enough to ascertain what I think the one was based on their energy.

And so Gary Francis Post was a Scorpio, So he was born under the sign of Scorpio.

And he has Mercury right next to his sun sign, which is common.

Mercury is very close to the sun of all the planets anyway.

But when Mercury, the sign of communication, is next to the sun, that means that how the mind works is naturally driven, and how you think and how you process mentally and intellectually is through that sign.

So Scorpio is a very protective private energy.

Anyway, so they're very secretive.

So it's a secretive.

When someone is Mercury and Scorpio, they're very secretive in their nature.

I went into looking at his moon placement because I always find the moon placement is what emotionally secures a person and represent a lot of their past karma.

And he's got the moon conjunct Jupiter and conjunct Mars in Capricorn now, which is interesting.

Both of them have Mars and the sun conjunct Capricorn and they both have it opposed Pluto.

So that right there shows you a red flag on both of them.

Because when you put Pluto opposite Mars, it's a great warrior energy anyway.

It's conflict extraordinaire.

And so someone who has that coming in is either extraordinarily constructive or destructive in their nature.

Obviously, we find these two in destructive energies.

And also the Capricorn Energy is that they need to be in charge of something.

Their nature is to be in charge.

And I will tell you that Gary went into the Air Force.

He was an Air Force veteran, and he was very violent by everything that was talked about him from the military and how they perceived him as someone who was more on the violent side.

So that violent nature comes from Pluto with that Mars Moon conjunction.

And because Jupiter's there, which rules essentially the order of morality and systems or whatever it means looking at the system and being in charge of a system, it makes him what we call an individualist.

In the individualist side of him.

His son opposes Uranus.

That creates a rebel.

So those things are all very strongly tied together.

So we got someone who is a rebel and an individualist separate from society.

Okay.

He has a hard time expressing his feelings and he rejects society.

He definitely falls into the category of a sociopath.

Okay?

So that right away is kind of his nature is to be a very much a sociopath coming in.

And he has an aggressive, irritable nature of somebody who wants to control.

He creates or doesn't create, but he comes in with a painful relationship with his father and also possibly mother.

And so there's a lot of violence in his childhood that triggers this in him.

And he's not a rule follower.

He was probably very much in conflict with his dad, and I don't think anyone was there for him.

So he learned to survive on his own because the system isn't something that he related to in his journey.

Coming in, he is like his own person who is going to rebel.

And he comes in very unstable.

His south energy is in the sign of Gemini, which means he moved around a lot and very unstable in its nature.

And so he doesn't stay somewhere very long.

He tends to move around.

And he doesn't, you know, he doesn't belong to anything or anybody.

And he has came in with somebody who wants to be a leader.

He's a leader profile, but he's the leader of the rebels.

And what was very interesting about him is that he created a criminal posse.

So what he would be today would be the head of the proud boys he'd be one of those.

That's his energy.

The Proud Boys.

Yeah.

Who's that?

The Proud Boys is the ones that are militants.

Militants.

A group of militants, like the Hell's Angels or.

But violent, you know?

Okay.

Somebody creates their own version of the military.

Okay, so he created his own version of the military.

And what did they do?

I mean, so we can understand what did the.

They would blow up stuff.

So they blew.

They just blew things up.

Or did they rape?

Did they murder?

Like, what did they do?

Probably, yes.

You know, so.

And all his posse, all the.

They talked about him as they groom them into his nature.

And so they were followers to the leader of somebody who felt detached from society and angry at society.

And so that creates its own militant group, if you will.

And so that's kind of like how he went about his nature.

He doesn't feel like somebody that did what the Zodiac Killer did because he isn't trying to get attention.

He doesn't follow into society.

And I don't look at him as somebody that would have that nature, because that's not who he was.

He didn't want to be a part of anything.

It was more somebody who was just a violent person, if you will.

And, you know, he had.

You know, his aspects really created a antisocial.

Before you go into that, because I just want to understand it better.

Because he was harder to get information on than the.

Other than Arthur.

That's right.

Was.

So he had had a recent domestic violence arrest against his wife, I believe.

Yes, he was married, and he was very much a wife beater.

Right.

Okay.

So I just.

I wasn't able to find anything predating that as far as him being arrested.

So that's why I think he's a confusing suspect, because he doesn't look like he has the track record that.

That we have with Arthur.

No, I don't think he does either.

Yeah.

Okay.

But see, he was married, and he was very abusive to his wife.

Like probably his father was abusive to his mother because his dad would have been a reflection of him growing up.

Okay.

So he saw violence in his childhood, and as a little boy, he saw his dad beat his mom or whatever, and that became appropriate to him.

Okay.

So.

And so he's going to rebel against everything that society says you're supposed to be or do.

He's his own person.

He's a sociopath, you see?

And I don't see him falling into somebody that wants to be seen as a.

As a Zodiac killer because the Scorpio doesn't want to be found out, you know?

Yeah.

They're in their world they live in.

They create their own control environment.

So in a relationship, he controls his wife, he controls.

Like his dad probably did growing up.

And so now he's controlling the other militants that come to him.

Okay.

So that's.

That's his whole nature, is to want to control things and be in his own world.

He doesn't want to be found out and doing things that they're going to investigate.

Essentially, they just like shooting everything and blowing things up.

Well, and that's what I'm trying to understand, because that's unusual for a serial killer, especially one that sends letters and taunts the police.

Right.

To be somebody who in society wouldn't want to be recognized for those acts.

Do you know what I'm saying?

I do.

So that's why he was a confusing suspect to me, because this is not a.

He would not end up being a typical serial killer if he ends up being one.

Yes, that's true.

Even though he has the daddy issues, which most of them do have.

Well, of course they do.

But someone who's been in a lot, I have to say, over the course of my work, over all these years, you know, the military males that come in have a lot of damage because of what they've endured through lifetimes of violence, fear, destruction, and, you know, killings.

I mean, it just.

It's there.

It's been there for thousands of years.

Being told to put.

Put into military systems which give you discipline, order, control, and then putting alone on a battlefield, that's their life.

And then they have their patriots with them.

Right.

So they have their.

Their platoons and all their.

Their guys in the same situation, but at the end of the day, they're alone on the battlefield and they see horrific things.

My dad was one.

He had a lot of issues that came from that.

You know, he went into the military at 19 in the medical part of the military and had a nervous breakdown and had to come home.

I think it's hard for people to go to war and not be affected by it.

You have to shut down your emotions.

That's the problem.

The empathy, the sympathy, the reality of what you're experiencing has changed.

Certain personalities can also be drawn to that because that comes naturally for some of them.

And Gary would have.

Absolutely.

But he came out of the military and put it into his own world.

That's where he comes into his sociopathic nature.

Because when they come out of the military, they take that control, and now they're in Control of things, and some are more extreme than others.

And the violent nature of Gary Post is that he created his own little platoon of criminality, if you will, of, you know, violence.

He's a very violent person.

I'm just surprised there's not more of a criminal history of his violence.

You know, I believe you.

It's in the chart.

Like, I believe it to be true.

It's just unusual for them not.

Not to have a spotlight on them.

Where we have a track record, we have a long sort of line that we can date back to when it started for him.

Obviously, he brought it into this lifetime.

But I'm just saying it's unusual that they not have that, because that would be a great reason why he would go under the radar if he was able to keep his nose clean.

And other crimes that he committed through the years.

Again, I wasn't able to find that much on him, which is why this is so interesting.

Yeah, I didn't find it either.

No, but he doesn't fit the profile of what we'd call the Zodiac Killer.

And aside, that was ever convicted for abuse of his wife, you know, that doesn't do anything that's common.

Right.

So that's why I cross Gary out.

Okay, so that was Arthur Leigh Allen, the Zodiac Killer.

Okay.

Yeah.

So now we'll look at his chart.

Arthur Leigh Allen is a Sagittarian, and like I said, he has Mars and the Moon in Capricorn, opposing Pluto also, which is so interesting because there's four years between them in terms of when they were born, yet they have this signature.

And whenever I get it in someone's chart, like I said, you can do amazing things and become a leader, like Gary did.

It's a leader profile.

But what are you leading?

You see, what are you in charge of?

But one's in charge of the bad guys and one's in charge of the good guys.

That's a constructive versus destructive nature.

And for the both of them, they're destructive in nature, which was real interesting because another thing that really signatures Arthur Lee Allen as someone who is cunning and deceptive.

He has Mercury making a hard aspect to Neptune.

So this is a guy of secrets.

This is a guy that deceives and does things behind the scenes that he doesn't want you to know.

And so that is a profile of his.

Now, he came in with a past.

In Leo, his past is about feeling important and wanting to be important and being recognized.

He has a really strong need to be recognized.

So there's a signature to somebody that like is trying to get fame.

So that's a signature.

Somebody who would write letters to the police to get garner attention.

Right.

And he's a Sagittarian, so here's his profile.

Early on he went into the Navy and he didn't last very long.

He came out right away being a teacher, very Sagittarian.

He's a nomad, goes into the military, which is nomadic, whether they had to or not, because they did.

But he's a loner.

This is a loner profile.

Right.

So in terms of.

That's what a sag is.

They're freedom loving souls doing their thing.

They love nature, the woods, you know, camping and, you know, you know.

But their nature pretty much is that of the teacher.

And so he was a teacher.

He has two dynamics.

One, he has a very strong ability of communication because it is the sign of communication and that's why he's a teacher.

But he also wanted to be a writer.

A writer.

Okay, Right.

I looked up his profile and I saw that he got his degree in college in biology and chemistry.

So he has a science mind.

And he has Saturn and Venus in Aquarius.

So it's a very cold nature.

His personality is kind of like on the cold, distant, aloof side, which would.

Actually make sense with the fact that the Zodiac killer in his letters had secret code.

He taught code to his children, to the kids in his school, he taught them how to code.

So there's a side, right?

Yeah, yeah, little bit.

He's looking more and more like it.

So.

And so also if you look at, you know, he has a son that creates a trine to Uranus, which is a very positive aspect.

So he's comfortable being a loner.

He's not trying to rebel against it.

He's going to be his own person, you see.

And so when he comes into this world, he comes into a family where his dad is not there, his dad's not there.

And so he sees a dad that's not there in his life for his mom or for him or whatever.

So he becomes friendly with a family that the wife of this family, the woman, her husband went into a mental institution, she had three kids.

And he became a surrogate father to that family.

And so he wanted.

There's where once again, I want to feel important in a family.

And the moon in Capricorn, maybe wanting to assume the father role or be seen that Way be seen that way.

Right, you see, which is a good cover, by the way, because he was molesting little girls.

That was.

And one of the brothers that he was in charge of in that family said that he molested his little sister.

Well, and this was in the documentary that I watched on Netflix, which I thought was interesting because they prelude to something, but don't come right out and say it, but you get the distinct impression in this is a Zodiac speaking, that he may have drugged the brother.

He took the brother and his sister for like a weekend trip, which as a mother, I'd be like, hell no.

So the mother is clearly, no offense to anyone related to her, but out of her mind or delusional as hell to even let her teenage 14 year old daughter go with this guy for a weekend and not go with them.

But then the brother, she tried to wake up her brother because Arthur wanted to go on some sort of a walk or something with her.

And so she couldn't wake him up.

I believe he was drugged.

And so, no, that would be Mercury in the heart aspect of Neptune.

Okay, yeah.

So this is how he tries to trick people.

He's trying to deceive people so they drug him and then he gets away with what he's getting away with because they don't know what he's doing.

And then he had brought her back at some point and she felt very tired where she was having trouble waking up.

So the thing I was waiting to hear from the girl that grew up to be a woman who's obviously much more advanced in age now, was that maybe she was sore because as a female, you know, like that something wasn't right, you know, especially at 14.

And I didn't hear that, but it did seem odd that they both seemed to have been drugged.

And so she still was able to hold out hope that he didn't do that, that he wouldn't do that, and that he somehow wasn't the Zodiac killer.

That's how she felt in the beginning.

Please continue.

Sorry.

Well, no, it's very much how it all kind of falls into place because he is wanting to be famous, he wants notoriety, he wants to feel elevated.

He has a very strong 8 in his numerology.

So that gives you another significant symbol that he kind of wants to feel like he's achieved something.

And so in this case, he becomes the Zodiac Killer, which I think is without question.

He lived right in the Area, everywhere.

The seawaters, the family he was with were right there and everything was around the area.

There was one time he went to San Francisco and he murdered a cab driver.

But he's a nomad, he's again a Sagittarian, he's not married well.

And he took the kids to every location that somebody ended up murdered they had actually been at and they believe they were at one of them.

While he went for a walk on the beach for an hour and came back with blood on his hands.

Yes.

So that was sort of telltale.

The thing that was unusual, I thought, is normally with pedophiles they have a targeted age that they focus on.

And he did obviously seem attracted to children.

Yes.

And also the 14 year old daughter of his girlfriend.

But I did find it strange.

I'm like, so why would he brutally kill two 17 year old young people like that couple that was off by themselves that ended up murdered?

I wondered that too, because there'd be a potential conflict with the male.

And normally pedophiles don't want to go up against somebody they could lose to unless they're sure that they can somehow take them.

Well, they were trapped in a car and then they got out of the car and then he ran out after them and shot them.

Shot the male in the head and then her five times in the back.

But then the male survived in the hospital, but then died eventually.

So they never got any information.

But it was a surprise attack.

But even that there's no molestation involved.

What is he killing psychologically?

Is he killing the normal couple that he wished he'd been a part of the life that he wished he'd had?

There's always some psychology to it of.

Because it had nothing to do with sexual gratification as pedophilia would.

I just found that interesting because it added another layer on top of his motives for picking the victims that he would pick.

Yeah, I would agree with that.

There is some other aspect that I would get from him that he was jealous of not having because he never got married.

He had girlfriends or whatever, but he never got married.

And it's something that he.

And he was not an attractive man.

And he was a loner.

You know, he just.

I don't.

Whatever psychotic dynamic goes into somebody with this energy of destruction and anger and violence.

His is deviant.

It's very deviant and it's taunting.

So everything about him is how he's like when you tell a story, how you're driving the story and making people feel a certain way.

And of course he instills fear.

He wants to maintain that.

And he had a watch with a zodiac symbol on it.

Yeah.

He said to a friend that he wanted to write a story about the zodiac.

And so all these signs point to.

It's such a disservice having witness accounts because they had sketch drawings of a man that witnesses had recalled seeing or somebody who survived an incident that described him and the sketch didn't look like him.

That was the problem I was having.

It was a thinner man with hair.

Right.

And anybody that sees the videos of him, he was a much stouter.

Yes, he was.

He was a stocky, stocky male.

So he just, it just didn't look like him.

And I kept getting hung up on that.

But I do know, having worked in crime, that sometimes it is the witnesses that takes us off track because they don't give an accurate description.

And fingerprints, they never had the right fingerprints.

So I think they had a partial.

They have like a partial DNA profile of the killer.

Yeah.

Right now.

So for, I think advancements is what they're waiting for in science and technology to be able to run it.

Now both of these suspects are dead now, so there's no, no being able to find resolution to that.

But even the 14 year old girl that grew up and got married and had children, he still had a fixation on her.

Yes.

And was trying to get her to come back to where they were to see her.

And she wouldn't let him be alone with her because she had creepy.

Like now she's getting the creepy feeling like, why are you trying to separate me out?

You know, I, I'm not feeling right about this.

And he had threatened her of course as well.

So that was interesting.

But it's, you know, with these families, I'm always shocked at how they can not look at something objectively and see there's a problem here.

And is.

Although we have some good memories with this guy.

He's off.

Yeah.

But he's easily deceiving people.

He's very cunning and he has mercury in Sagittarius.

So he's very good at communicating what he wants you to know or what he wants you not to know.

And that's the nature of his wanting to be the writer code writing and doing it in detail.

And if you look at his writing, it's very tiny.

Little tiny.

Real psychotics to write like that.

And so he wanted infamy in terms of what he was doing.

And this guy was very good at hiding and letting people not know who he was.

I think as he got old, as he got later in the years, he then didn't.

He wanted the attention because he did do that interview with that news reporter in like the early 90s, who he let her come in because she's a woman, but he wouldn't let the cameraman come in, who was a man, made him wait outside.

But I think as he started getting up in age and he was getting weaker because he had a lot of health issues.

Yes, he did.

He didn't want to go to jail.

He wasn't going to admit commit to the crime.

Because when push came to shove, he wasn't quite as brave and smart as he thought he was, even though he's gotten away with it for so long.

A lot of that has to do with a lack of the technology that we have now.

I think back then they would have collected things maybe they didn't collect at the time.

Because now we can run, you know, fibers better or skin, you know, touch DNA, you know, from your.

Just your skin cells.

Things that they weren't looking for at the time.

The last thing this soul would want is to be put in a confinement of situations.

He's a Sagittarian.

And to be seen as diabolical or as disgusting in some way.

And the family clearly didn't want to be seen that way either.

Right?

No question.

Which is why the woman that he dated hid a lot of what he did.

Because she told her children that she wasn't going to tell him.

But after she was dead, there's a box in the storage room that has some stuff and it'll answer all your questions.

Well, they never found that box.

Yeah, well, the thing that stood out to me on this chart overall was the fact that there's a star configuration in his chart.

Now, a star is very rare in a chart.

You get a kite.

A kite is a nice configuration.

You usually look at the top of the kite configuration in terms of what you're trying to rise to in this lifetime, where you're trying to rise above something you're working on in this life.

But a star is a very powerful energy of connectivity.

And so.

And it depends on what creates the star, the planets that create them.

And, you know, he's got Mercury as very much a big part of his star, which is, again, is the communication and the deception and.

And the influence he had in doing what he did.

But when I see a star chart, it's usually in blues.

It's trines, a lot of trines and sextiles.

And that Is like someone.

I had a reading a couple of weeks ago who had this.

A woman who had a star.

And I go, oh, my God, you're like the most beautiful soul because you're the kindest person in the world.

And she was, you know, she's just.

Just an amazing woman and had this beautiful story.

It wasn't really horribly karmic.

It had it thing, but she just was just a beautiful person.

His star is red, and I've rarely seen one red.

Wow.

And so the red is all the hardest aspects.

Is that fire or how do you determine red?

Well, it would be the opposite of blue in terms of being not beautiful, but very dark.

Okay.

So.

Because the red in the chart are the squares and oppositions in trines and quincunxes, as we call them.

And I'm telling you, I rarely have seen anything like this.

And when you make me pull up someone like, you know, killers.

Sorry.

I'm like, of course.

Course it's a red star.

This guy's dangerous.

So if you saw different charts for criminals that were violent criminals and one had a red star in it, would that one stand out with you as being the most violent?

Yes.

No question.

Because in this one, you know, Arthur Lee Allen was very violent and abusive.

And control, we go back to control, because that's what sex abuse is.

That's what, you know, violence is.

It's control.

Right.

And yet his is deception.

He wants to create an image.

He wants to create an image that, you know, you're going to see him one way, but he's going to be something else.

But his image was evil and full of fear, because everything he did was fear based in terms of being the Zodiac Killer, if indeed he is or was, and that he is trying to keep people in fear.

And he loves that image.

It's a dark, dark image.

And his tools for using it, essentially, his writing and cunning and secretive and his coding, everything fit with this man.

You know what I was wondering about, I found interesting, just from an evidence perspective, where is the black hood and costume that he would wear to the killings?

Because that would obviously carry the best evidence.

And I find it so hard to believe that in all of that time, nobody came across it either that lived with him or a neighbor seeing him leave the house or somebody seeing him change into it in his car.

Like, at some point, he had to put it on, you know, and be seen walking to where?

Right.

To where the victim is.

And I'm.

I just find it hard to believe that nobody ever saw that.

Well, they Might have and didn't want to approach it.

I mean, it's.

That'd be a scary look.

I would definitely come out, though, and be like, you know, I saw this guy and I thought it was weird, but I didn't say anything at the time.

I just.

It's so hard to believe.

And then if it is truly Arthur Leigh Allen, I would think because he lived with those children and that woman, that he.

It would have been in his stuff.

Who sewed it for him.

I mean, he was in the Navy, so he probably knew how to mend, because I know that's something they do learn in the military.

But to sew this entire costume to get the fabric.

Like, was he at a fabric store that somebody recognized him and he did buy black cloth?

I mean, did they even look at those factors in this?

I mean, it's important from an evidence perspective.

Even if he burned it later just to get rid of the evidence.

But usually there's a narcissistic nature to serial killers that do want attention like that.

Like Bundy, like him.

But he did it as the Zodiac Killer.

Right.

That's how he gets attention.

His Persona.

Yeah.

Right.

But I would still think he would keep that outfit because it's.

It's his trophy.

Yeah.

It represents all of the kills.

It has all of the blood on it.

So I was just curious, just thinking out loud.

I don't know if any of my listeners wondered about that, but, you know, I just was wondering what happened into his freaky gear.

Unlike you, I don't want to go into the mind of one of these people.

But you do.

So when I will ask you, when you go into each of the energies of these men, what did stand out to you or what does stand out to you?

So Arthur Lee Allen, he's a sexual predator.

That's why I was having trouble making the connection between.

But he also seemed like a coward.

Yes.

To me.

Yes.

And it's why I was having the trouble making the connection to.

As.

Why he would.

Why he would just shoot people and it wouldn't have a sexual nature to it unless he gratified himself later, which sometimes they do.

But I think it is the jealousy of the male in the situation that the girl's attractive and she wants to be with him, and he could, you know, he has her.

And I want to destroy this image of something I couldn't have.

I couldn't be that normal guy.

I couldn't be loved for who I am like that, because he knew how ugly he was on the inside.

He lives with his thoughts.

Right.

I would agree with you on that.

So for me, getting into his energy, just watching that documentary I finished, I'm like, this guy did it.

Then when I saw the Gary Francis post, and I'm, like, trying to follow along with it because I have a great deal of confidence in CSI investigators and retired law enforcement agents.

And obviously, they didn't post all the information they were privy to and came across.

It just.

I wasn't feeling it when I was looking at the name Gary.

Excuse me, the name Gary Francis Post.

I just wasn't feeling that emotion of that emotional energy coming off of him, of him being the Zodiac.

I just wasn't getting that vibe.

Arthur Lee Allen, I got that vibe.

I just find him an unusual participant in this very chaotic scene of crimes that he created.

And now they also think that some of the women who were raped and murdered may not have been his victims, but somebody else's victims, which is scary.

That's California for you.

You know, a lot of overlap with those killers.

What are you gonna do?

So I found that to be confusing as well.

Just because, you know, they did come out saying that they have the partial DNA profile.

I just wonder, I don't know how they can clear Arthur Lee Allen to then say, we believe it's Gary Francis Post.

I mean, that's.

That's a big leap.

When you asked me to do this, I pulled them up, and very quickly did I get Arthur Allen Lee?

It was, like, obvious to me compared to.

Well, I mean, even off of his name and just seeing his picture, which I draw energy off of as well.

Like, I get an imprint of the person's energy, of their soul.

I felt that with Arthur Leigh Allen, but he was also a coward.

I almost felt like he was two people.

It was so confusing.

But I was just gonna say that he's a Sagittarian, which is a dual sign.

It's a twin.

Yeah.

So the fact that he had this sort of writing ability and communication ability, and then he wanted to be a scientist, too.

There's another dynamic of that.

Right.

So he has these two identities.

I want to be famous, but I want to be known.

It's almost as if he had a dark side and a darker side, you know, pretty much.

I mean, which I find unusual.

One, the deviant side, you know?

Right.

And so the dark side that I see would be him being the child molester and him.

Him drugging a victim and because it's his girlfriend's is.

Did he do that because it's his Girlfriend's children, and he didn't want to kill them because it would upset her or, you know, they would draw the conclusion that it was him because he lives there.

They would look at him if something happened to them.

So that was hard to understand.

There's many reasons why he may have not killed those two kids that belonged to his girlfriend, but the other killings seem very random.

Well, that's because if it was close to home, he would be in jail right now, you know, when he would have happened.

So he'd pack up his black costume and his hood and like go on the road and just know where these young people might be.

Because the beach was one of those places.

Yes, it was.

He went to.

But how lucky would he have to get to not have any witnesses on a beach?

Well, he's clever.

And again, he has a deviant mind.

And his nature is he does not want to go to prison, he doesn't want to be caught.

And so he keeps putting notes to throw the clues off and everything he would do because he does not want to be caught.

Yeah, he just.

I'm so surprised.

In this day and age, with the technology that we have, and I know that it's over dramatized on television shows that make it look so easy to solve a crime.

I should know.

I had one of those shows myself, you know, solve a murder in an hour, not happening.

But for, for him, I just would have expected more DNA evidence to be available now.

Maybe, but it just seems that.

And a lot of things get lost that were in the evidence lockers in law enforcement since that time.

That was so long ago.

I mean, that's before I was born.

So that's going back a bit.

He just seems like such a lucky bastard that they were never able to conclusively tie it to him.

Although I will say some of the kids of his girlfriend as adults now said, and I don't know, you know, who's telling the truth, who's spinning it for attention like, we don't know, we don't know.

Said they did help him sew black material together, that that was something that he had them do.

Yeah.

And what would be more deviant than to have children's hands sewing together the costume that you're going to wear when you murder other innocent people?

This is why I don't want you me to do these things, you know, make me.

Sorry.

Sorry.

You can go there it's real difficult for me to get into that mindset, and when I get into a chart, I have no choice.

So.

So worst case scenario, this is Arthur Leigh Allen, in our opinion, is the likely Zodiac.

Arthur Allen Lee.

Yes.

Arthur.

Is it?

I had Arthur.

I'm sorry, Arthur.

Yeah.

Arthur Lee Allen.

Yes.

You men like to just correct us?

Correct us?

No, no, I was reading it backwards.

I'm a little dyslexia there.

That's okay.

Arthur Lee Alle.

Very probable Gary Francis post.

Neither of us picked up anything on him.

If it ended up.

If it ends up being him, I mean, I will be shocked, but I'll be like, I guess that didn't pick up on it, but I just wasn't feeling that on.

Off of his energy.

And we shall see what happens in the coming years.

If they're able to ever put a period at the end of that sentence.

And you've been watching the Menendez Brothers, which I was avoiding watching on Netflix because I watched the Court Case back in the 90s, and they just seemed smug and like they didn't care at the time.

So I was keeping that energy and idea in my mind before I go in and watch it.

But since you watched it, I'm gonna watch it.

You're gonna run the chart of the Menendez brothers, and we're gonna come back and do another episode on them.

So with Scorpio's sun being at play right now, we're going all in with the Scorpio energy.

Going into the dark side.

Yeah, definitely going into the dark side of death, so.

Well, Tom, where can people find you to book a reading with you?

You just read our daughter Aurora.

She's like her life's changed so high recommend.

She was sweet at a very important time in her life.

I mean, she came in at the right time, going through a big shift in her life.

Saturn returned.

Yes.

Saturn going in the right direction.

I'm very proud of her, very excited for her.

Thank you.

My website is Tom McMullen dot com.

My last name is M C M U L L A n, such as tomcmullen.com and you can go there and find me on my website, or you can just straight email me@tommacmullen.com Fabulous.

Okay, so go book your Scorpio appointments if you can get in with him and have.

I hope everybody has a fantastic fantasmic Halloween this year.

I know it's on a Thursday, so most people went out last week, but we'll be handing out candy.

The children matter.

Make sure you give them the full size candy, they know who's cheap.

And and you don't want to get your house toilet paper.

So thank you for laying out the birth charts of these.

Sure.

Of these suspects for us.

And I'm looking forward to doing the next one with you with the Menendez brothers.

So we'll see what you find with them.

And thank you again for doing it.

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