Taylor is an unapologetically badass multipassionate creator who has embraced her unfolding journey and more recent diagnosis of ADHD. We recap some highlights in her non-linear journey and share some insights into the hopeful future for authentic, multipassionate entrepreneurs and artists.

Taylor and I discuss:

• Being multipassionate while receiving more "expert-driven" guidance
• Sharing her (fabulous) journey developing a community/cultivating an audience before "creators" were a thing
• Embracing a non-linear path and showing up in each chapter unapologetically
• Late diagnosis of ADHD and the insights gleaned from being curious instead of self-judging
• Operating in masculine vs feminine energy and redefining alignment
• Systems and archetypes we enjoy exploring that frame experimentation and strategy

For those curious of our Feminine Archetypes and HD Profiles (mentioned briefly):

Taylor

• The Ingenue - Marilyn Monroe, Rihanna - "Your unexpected mix of girlish charm and womanly sensuality enthralls" - Authentic, Sensual
• HD - The Generator (The Life Force, lifts energy of the world) - Emotional Authority (Decisions made with emotions) - 1/3 (Establisher of Knowledge & Truth)

Jordan

• The Gamine - Princess Diana, Josephine Baker - "Your natural charm and playful spirit lowers defenses" - Playful, Wise
• HD - The Manifesting Generator (The Multi-Hyphenate/MultiPassionate, here to do many diverse things)- Emotional Authority (Decisions made with emotions) - 4/6 (Regal Authority Figure/Role Model)

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I am here today with Taylor Clark, who I met through my good

friend, Sabrina, who is her sister.

Uh, Taylor actually was a wedding guest at my micro wedding back in may.

And she was the perfect wedding guests because she was able to help because she

knows so much about weddings because she works, uh, with her family's business and

they are a premier venue for weddings.

So check them out in upstate New York.

And she was also the life of the party.

I love her energy and I really wanted her to come on this podcast because

she is a multi-passionate creator that has taken her audience, her community.

On her fabulous journey with her exploring new adventures of entrepreneurship,

creating new types of content, diving into new resources, experimenting

with platforms and collaborations and unapologetically claiming her

interests and pursuits of her passions.

Um, she's also, neurodivergent like me and thrives in the

curious, unfolding of a story.

So buckle up because this is going to be a podcast.

It's probably going to go in a lot of different directions, but in the best way

possible, but I'm ready to have a party.

So are you ready?

I'm very ready.

I'm here for the party.

I'm so excited.

Well, Taylor is a queen and I'm so excited that she's here.

Um, but I wanted to ask you just kind of like as a warmup and because I'm

curious because you're, multi-passionate uh, was there anything that you

wanted to be when you grew up?

Oh, my God.

I wanted to be everything.

I think my earliest memories, I wanted to be a chef when I was a kid, because

my mom owns a catering company.

And then, you know, after that, I'm like, I want to be an

actress singer, dancer model.

I want to be not a triple threat, a quadruple threat.

Yeah.

Triple threats, not enough.

Um, and then from there it was just kind of, well, I kind of

want to just travel the world.

So there's been a lot of things that I've wanted to be, but from

a young age, I always kind of wanted to be in the spotlight

thing yeah.

In the spotlight.

So you wanted to have an audience and you wanted to be

a lot of different things for,

yeah.

It wasn't so much that I wanted to be famous.

It was more so I wanted to have an influence.

Like I wanted to leave my impact on the world and I kind of didn't care about

the famous part or the celebrity part.

I just knew I wanted to do something big.

Um, but yeah,

so to have a legacy,

yeah.

Legacy is a good word.

Yeah.

Um, was there a new, this leads into, uh, some, these are some little

thoughts I'm thinking about just growing up as somebody's multi-passionate.

Um, were there any super powers that you wanted when you were younger or a

character you wanted to be growing up?

Well, I always have loved Marvel DC.

The comic world.

I've always loved superheroes for me.

I always thought if I could read people's minds, that was probably the first one I

would want, because then I would be able to know what people were thinking about

me or things that I needed to say in order to, you know, sway a conversation.

I was always a very persuasive child.

Um, no did not exist in my vocabulary.

So for me, I thought that would be a pretty cool power and also flying.

That'd be.

Uh, teleportation.

I kind of like a lot of different powers.

Not that I'm thinking about it.

Yeah.

I feel like for, um, for people who are multi-passionate or even just like tying

into some of the neurodivergent pieces of what ties into being multi-passionate,

I feel that there's a lot of like superhero love and like character love.

There's a lot of not really knowing what your calling is or having a really

like clear feeling for a long time.

Exactly.

Like what your calling would be, or even when you're younger, like you start to

kind of pick and choose the things, but then that doesn't necessarily really stop.

It continues like later in life, you're still kind of like, I could be a chef

or I could do this, I could do that.

I can do that.

And, uh, another piece that you said that was really interesting was

that that no didn't exist for you.

And that's something that I think.

Aligns very much with the kind of multi-passionate, um, you know, the

neurodivergent type of personality too, because we've had to kind of navigate

these different systems and we've wanted to pursue all the things that

we've wanted to, and not had to, since this current systems didn't really fit

us, we kind of had to create our own.

So there really was no rules of, we already had to create something for

ourselves just to study or to do other things, then why wouldn't it be

possible to create some things so we could do all the things we want, because

at this point, literally status quo doesn't already doesn't even apply yet.

Um, but, but yeah, I wanted to ask that because I think it's,

I think it's really interesting.

And, uh, and telling, I, I think when I was younger, I told my,

uh, my mom that I wanted to be.

I think a business woman, a doctor, or a hobo, and I don't know what the

whole book was about, but I feel like I liked the stick with the bag on the end.

Okay.

Okay.

I didn't want to necessarily be homeless.

I just wanted to be on a train travel.

I wanted to be a nomad.

Yeah,

probably more of a nomad than a hobo, but I use

specifically use the word hobo.

So it was a joke with my family for a long time, you know, as I tried to

kind of figure out my life's path or just like feeling lost at times where

like, well, you can still be at home.

So

that is probably the funniest childhood dream job that I've ever had.

It was like a dream.

I think I was getting really practical about it.

I'm sure I wanted to.

In some sort of performance because I grew up playing music and doing some performing

arts, but I think at the time I was like, okay, these are practical things.

Like I got the business lady and I got the, the doctor and then, you know,

just, you know, throwing a little

fun zest,

a little, little wildness.

And then the, um, the superpowers, I always wanted multiplicity.

And it was, that was, I think for the same reason you were saying, like you

wanted to have all the super cause it was just kind of like get to live multiple

lives in the same light at the same time.

There's kind of that less of the feeling of a FOMO and not how could

you

pick just one?

Yeah.

Picking just one would be too boring.

Totally too brutally.

So I want to, you know, I talked a bit about your background with you, but this

is also like somewhat newer to me other than what I see on your socials, which

is actually kind of fun because sometimes because you're a newer friend in my circle

of, we didn't necessarily go to school together or work on projects together.

So it's fun because I still get to like discover pieces of your story too.

But I wanted, um, I wanted to know first, like I know you were at fiddle and in

Los Angeles and how did you get to there and what were you studying and what was

that kind of journey going into fashion?

Because I think I knew that later, but it didn't really fully sink in that

like, oh yes, you were at fit I'm here.

And like, it wasn't, you know, I, I associate you so much.

Past and, uh, current lives, what we're doing.

And you sometimes forget like what people were doing, uh, when they first

started out or, um, you know, certain things that have tied back in maybe were

something that there were as a huge part of their life before, but I want to know

how you got there and what that journey

was.

Yeah.

So it's kind of funny how that came about because when I got older and

in high school and you know, college was being talked about, um, my sister

knew she wanted to go to school for college or school for college.

My sister knew she wanted to go to school for business.

So for me, since I wanted to do everything, I didn't really know

what I wanted to go to school for.

And I knew I would probably own my own business one day anyway.

So I figured, well, if I have to go to college and get a degree, because

that's what my parents want, I'm going to do something that's fun.

And because my mom's in the wedding industry, I literally don't know where

I pulled this out of, but I'm like, I'm going to be a wedding dress designer.

So I was looking into fashion schools originally for that.

And I applied to, I don't know, maybe five or six different schools.

I got into all of them.

And then I started a tour and New York city was not what I was

feeling when I visited California.

And I visited fandom that I just knew it was where I wanted to be.

Um, and that kind of changed the trajectory of, you know, everything

in my life, because I went from the girl who grew up in my mom's

business, super like savvy with, you know, sales and talking with people.

And now I'm going to fashion school.

And I had zero fashion sense when I went there and I saw the

people like dressed and there were super cute and like stylish.

That was not me.

So I kind of changed a lot then and just wanting to dive into everything.

And even when I was at up.

No, it wasn't a word for me, but I'm got a third year program.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, but they're a fashion design

program, which is what I went there for has a third year advanced degree.

And they only accept like 10 kids into it.

And then you get a full blown fashion show where the whole

school goes and just watches it.

And all the industry professionals are there.

There's like 10,000 people who are there.

And I chose fiddle because I wanted that third year program.

And after everything I got all the internships I wanted.

I interned with Vera Wang.

I interned with Rachel Zhou.

Um, it did a really cool.

Internship with the custom chair designer.

Um, so I kind of did a little bit of everything there too.

And I ended up being the 11th person in the third year program.

So I was like the last one to cut and they cut it the day of the

fashion show, where we were supposed to like get our awards and things.

So that kind of changed my whole life around as well.

Um, cause I went to fit him for that and then I didn't get it.

I was like the last person cut, which it was, I think the first

time in my life that I didn't get something that I went after.

Um, so kind of was like a jab to the heart thing, but yeah, I love fit.

I loved California.

Um, I loved my fashion school and it kind of took my life into the direction of more

creative arts, uh, media multimedia and.

Yeah, it was a great time.

I, I love, I loved everything about that.

And then life kind of just really changed after that.

Cause then I wasn't doing really what I wanted.

What were you doing?

Uh, what were you doing right after?

Um, right after fashion school, because just because I, when I was at university

of Miami, I was focused on, I was in the business school and I went there

to also pursue music because I thought I was going to do that as my major and

decided, no, I want to go to business school, but I wanted to go to a school

that had a fantastic music program.

And one that would allow non-majors to audition for the top ensembles.

Like you were saying, like to be able to go and get into these top level programs,

even no matter whether it actually happened or not the, um, the option to be

able to be a part of something like that.

And to have that experience was something that.

I really valued.

Um, but I did actually, because I really wanted to bridge that gap.

I went into music business and that industry like collapse, not

just the economy at that time, but like that industry like collapsed.

And that was, I was in a very creative niche and I didn't get

to really pursue that right after in the way that I wanted to.

So I'm very curious to like, like what your experience was coming out of that,

and then transitioning into something maybe a little different than you might

have expected coming out of school.

Cause I know the field.

Yeah.

So my mom kind of gave me two choices.

Uh, she said, you can either stay in California, but like you're on

your own financially everything.

Um, and I was like that scared the crap out of me, or she gave me the option of

continue on and get your bachelor's degree and I'll continue to like support you.

And at that time, I couldn't even fathom paying like $2,000 a month in expenses.

I didn't know how the hell I was going to do it.

So for me, there really wasn't a choice.

I'm like, all right, I'll continue on and get a bachelor's degree.

So I was looking for a school that would accept my credits from my fashion school

and not make me do a whole nother, you know, four years just for a bachelor's.

I just wanted to do two more years after my associates get

the bachelor's and be done.

The only school in the country that would accept my credits.

And the two years was the school I ended up going to in Florida, uh,

Lynn university and ironically.

My parents had a house in Florida and it was only like two miles away.

So it worked out and, um, I ended up going there for a business degree.

They had a specialized entrepreneurship degree that was more fashion oriented.

So they call it fashion and retail, but it was identical to entrepreneurship minus

like two classes that were specialized.

In fact, Um, so I ended up transferring there and it was a very cool school.

I loved the school, it was a smaller university.

Um, and it was an apple, it was in Boca.

So Ellen Boca.

Yeah.

So it was in Boca,

in the

Boca area.

Yeah.

Right by FAU.

There was a lot of FIU students there.

Um, a very international population of school.

Like a lot of people from around the world went there.

Um, and because it was an apple recognized school, everyone who

got there got an iPad and all of our classes, all of our textbooks,

like everything was on this iPad.

So there was a lot of really cool things about the school.

And I liked the school, hated the students.

Uh, what I ended up finding out was a lot of the students

who went to this university.

Where the kids who weren't smart enough to get into Miami, um,

you M or FIU and all that stuff.

So it was like the rich kids who are not smart enough to

be in the big universities.

They all went to Lynn.

So there was lots of Porsches, Maseratis, Lamborghinis BMW.

Like there was the nice, nice cars and the kids didn't give a shit.

Um, so I ended up deciding, you know, something I always wanted to do when

I went to school was study abroad.

So then I went to the study abroad office and since I only had four

semesters at that school anyway, I spent two of them studying abroad.

Um, so I always think it's funny that I got my bachelor's degree from a school

that I only really spent two semesters at.

Where did you go abroad?

Uh, I studied abroad in Italy, so I lived in Milan for about five months.

And then my very last semester I studied abroad in Australia.

So I was just outside of Sydney.

Nice.

And in when you were studying there, where you focus, was that still

focused on fashion or was it kind of more broad entrepreneurship yet?

Because I would think Italy like Milan, you probably had some nice experiences.

So I went to Milan for fashion.

I had two classes that were fashion focused and they were

really, really, really cool.

Um, Italy was an amazing, and also horrible time for me because

at the time when I went to study abroad, I had a boyfriend and within

a month of me being in Italy, I did not have a boyfriend anymore.

So, um, there was that mixed with like an amazing travel experience for me.

And so I did have a focus in fashion when I went to Italy, but it was more

so just kind of discovering who I was.

Um, so that was a really huge turning point in my life.

And then.

It's actually interesting in Australia, you remember the movie great Gatsby

and like the big castle and stuff.

So in Australia, the school that I went to was the international

college of management in Sydney.

The school itself is actually the castle.

They filmed the great Gatsby.

So I lived on top of this hill in this huge ass castle.

And my room ended up being like front and center, like probably

one of the best rooms too.

So I went there for more business stuff.

Um, but I was lucky enough that my university didn't except the grades,

it was morally just pass fail.

So I didn't really have to try very hard for my classes and to enjoy yourself.

I actually skipped some of my final exams just because I didn't

have to, to pass the class.

So for me, the study abroad was more about myself and yeah.

The travel than it was, you know, the education.

I love that.

I think I'm pretty sure that I had several classmates who were

studying abroad at the time that were from their studying at Miami.

So I always love a good Ozzie.

Yes.

When they're there.

They're so great.

And, um, their business programs are fantastic.

So I always loved working with them because I could get another perspective.

And I don't know, there's just always just some good vibes going on.

These are so

much fun.

They're so fun.

They're so fun.

Um, and during all this, as I know, I'm sure it'll tie to more later,

but I know you were saying that you didn't necessarily have more

like a defined sense of style yet.

Did like this whole journey.

Was that like a huge.

Turning point in like, starting to find some of that, or what

did that come a little bit later?

Like what did you discover there?

Because I still feel like for myself, there are a lot of pieces I'm still

trying to figure out, and that comes from just knowing yourself better and

trying new things and, um, you know, just being open to things out of your comfort

zone and then seeing if you like them.

Um, but I'm still kind of in that process of figuring out for myself.

So like what, what did that experience do for you and like kind of learning some

of the basics, but then also learning more about yourself and incorporating

that or fashion, uh, education.

Yeah.

So fashion school, I think definitely gave me more perspective to kind

of create my own style because I think there's some people.

Naturally just do.

And those are usually the people who have such a unique style that's so

them that if you tried to emulate it, it just wouldn't work for you.

Um, I was not one of the PR people who had like their own unique style and,

you know, over the years, I've kind of found that I always loved fabrics

when I was even at fashion school.

Like fabrics were just like the thing that I loved.

So over time I found that the softer, the fabric, like the more, you know,

silky or luxurious, it felt, um, the more comfortable it was, those were the

things that I was gravitating towards.

So for me, my personal style is very casual.

Um, I always said when I start my own like fashion brand or fashion house, I want to

have like travel, leisure, uh, something that is comfortable enough that you can

travel in, but stylish enough to wear.

It's uniquely you.

Um, and I know my best comparison is when Kim Kardashian was with Kanye

and her style changed, it became very monochromatic or more neutral colors.

So like blacks, nudes, whites, grays, like not much is going on, but it's also

like the jogger pants, the oversized hoodies, the, you know, that comfortable,

casual wear that you can wear out and make, you know, a statement piece.

Like I know what I'm wearing.

And then the things that jazz it up are, you know, the jewelry, the

accessories, the shoes, uh, so that kind of became my own personal fashion sense.

Um, I definitely live in my leggings, my athletic leggings.

I love the ones with the laser cutouts.

I love the ones with, you know, seams that just make it a little more.

Fancy than just plain leggings.

And that's kind of just became my style over time.

And if you look at my closet, it's neutrals, it's black, white, gray, or

like nude colors and that's about it.

And then I have like select statement pieces.

Yeah.

That's kind of how mine has evolved as well.

I think because I do enjoy like jewelry and I do enjoy like fun

shoes and access, like cool purses.

And, um, I think always just kind of growing up too, just having like

long blonde hair, there's a part of me where I'm like, I like the

neutral so that it's not like, okay, there's a lot of this hair going on.

And then there's.

A bright color.

Um, I see, I do have a few statement pieces too, but I love the monochromatic

and I totally understand the, that the Kim vibes, because I loved that style

transformation because it's at high street sort of, um, vibe, fashion street

fashion, like opened up a lot for all different types of body types too.

You're going to wear it in your own way because it's meant to

show off your natural figure.

Yeah.

That's what I love.

I love bodycon things.

Um, and like one of the things that I think I noticed when

I went to Australia was.

I was more so influenced with Asian culture as well.

And I started to watch like Chinese street fashion, which

they just do it so differently.

And I'm obsessed, especially with their men's wear because typically men's

fashion never changes, but the guys like the street wear out in like China or

Japan, like it's so unique and so cool.

And so unapologetically like them that they just, they just create new

things that I don't think we even see here in the U S yet is just,

I love street fashion, especially from other countries and cultures.

Yeah, I feel I've like one of my dream places to visit is, um, Tokyo, just

because the meshing of the like TAC and the arts and the fashion, and like all

the heritage Juku, the style, literally seeing like, just on the subways there

as if it's just like, this is just my day, I'm like walking a runway because

I feel like it, and there is just an appreciation for that aesthetic sense.

I think that is really cool that I do think we appreciate here,

but we don't necessarily take into physical form all the time.

We've really put a lot in which is really cool, like on social media and stuff too.

Um, but not like just worn it out or like had that kind of hybrid where

you would see like these tech and like fashion combinations and wildness,

which I think is so interesting.

I always find them.

You know, like over in China and over in Japan, just so like innovative and

the way they cross these different types of thinking and creativity together.

So that in like really like

breaks, they really are innovative.

Like they're almost the breeding grounds for new

trends.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

I know that you ended up on, um, a viral last for Gary V and I know

that I, I know that there was a fashion oriented brand that you

wanted to work on during that time.

Right.

When you were asking, I'm curious as to like where that fashion took you,

and I know that you were asking him for direction and how that kind of

morphed into that next stage for you.

Yeah.

So after I graduated, um, You know, I had the options of moving back home

or doing whatever I wanted and I don't know why, but being on my own and

having to figure out how to afford life, completely scared the crap out of me.

Um, I just don't think I had the belief of the fact that I could make

enough money to pay my own rent.

Um, like I paid my phone bill.

I paid my car insurance, but my car was paid off.

I didn't have expenses.

So for me to have to figure that out with such large expenses freaked me out.

So I ended up moving back home, um, and it was supposed to be temporary.

I was only going to move back home for like the summer or maybe like a year.

And then I was going to move back to California.

That was always the plan.

And.

I just kind of fell back into my old life, which was, you know, working for my mom's

company, which is what I had always done.

And I just fell into this place of that nine to five life, the

monotony of just wake up, go to work, make money, pay bills.

I was dying inside.

Um, but again, there was also that limiting belief of, I don't

think I could afford to move.

I don't think I could afford LA.

I don't even know what I would do out there to make enough

money to be able to afford it.

Um, so I ended up just staying and my summers were always working for my mom.

So it went from my summer job into all right, now it's fall now,

it's winter now it's spring now.

It's summer again.

And it was just like, what am I doing?

And that was around the time where a friend of mine had actually

just told me about Gary V and.

I was always looking for new trends and I always loved,

you know, things in marketing.

And it kind of was something that I did when I came back home anyway, was graphic

design and marketing for my mom's company.

Cause I had the skills and Adobe from when I went to fashion school.

And so a friend told me about Gary V and I started to follow

him for maybe a month or two.

And I just loved what he said.

I loved everything he stood for.

I loved his message.

And the first time I ever actually was watching his AskGaryVee show live was

the first time that, you know, I see everyone putting their numbers in there.

And the comments section I'm figuring, you know, this is how

you get on the AskGaryVee show.

So I put my number in, I watch it, you know, scroll up and disappear and

um, then it crashed and I'm like, all right, I'll just go back to watching TV,

which is what I was doing beforehand.

And that's when he actually called me.

And I got on the asker, if you show and I was just freaking

out, I'm like, holy shit.

And, uh, I didn't even have a question because I didn't expect, I would

say going to get picked at all.

Um, and so that's where my question kind of was, is I was just

stuck in this place of I'm home.

I graduated like a year ago.

I'm not doing what I want to do.

Like I really want to move back to California.

Um, I'm just stuck.

Like I'm in this rut, I'm an entrepreneur in heart.

Like I'm a hustler, everything in my life that I've ever wanted.

I got in except for that third year program at freedom.

Um, and I just didn't know what to do.

So that's kind of where the conversation with Gary flowed and, uh, yeah, it ended

up being his, I think it's still is like in his top five, most viral videos ever.

And I think it was just because it was so relatable.

Postgraduate 22 years old, lost, completely lost in life.

Um, and not that I was lost in that, I didn't know what I wanted to do.

I was lost in that I was self paralyzed by my own limiting

beliefs, and that was kind of it.

And after that, it just launched me into a huge self-awareness journey

because I realized, I didn't know myself as well as I thought I did.

And I became obsessed with the question, what's my purpose.

I had no idea what am I supposed to be doing?

Like I'm here for a reason.

I believe that, but I have no idea what that reason is.

So I kind of became obsessed with that and self-awareness and

self-mastery and personal development.

And, um, yeah, that's kind of where my life flowed after that.

And I'm still on a journey.

So.

Yeah, I think we're all on a journey.

I feel like once you're on it, you're like you're on it.

The whole Gary V piece.

I can see why, you know, that kind of spurred you on to the,

um, the self-development track and learning more about yourself.

I think I met you for the first time when you were in town for Tony Robbins.

Yeah.

Me and Sabrina were both there for that.

I was begging Sabrina, like go to a Tony Robbins event with me because Tony

Robbins completely changed my life.

Um, I don't know if it was the things that he taught or the community I met there.

I think it was a combination of the two, um, completely changed

my mentality, my emotional state.

Like I.

I think Tony Robbins for literally being the biggest piece in my transformation.

Um, and I got my sister to go with me and I remember when we were

out there, she's like, oh my God, my friend Jordan lives out here.

Now we got to say hi.

So, uh, I do remember we met you.

And I also remember I was so high out of my mind that I barely remember

the dinner that we had together.

Yeah.

Hilarious.

Because the thing is, I feel like that day, I mean, I wasn't high,

but I was definitely just, I feels like a, not like a dream, but I

felt like it was kind of a blur.

There was something going on that day or it was a really long day.

So I did not even notice so perfect.

Like

I remember we talked.

I remember, yeah.

I remember loving our conversation.

I remember being like, oh my God, your friend's so cool.

Couldn't tell you anything.

We talked about.

I honestly, I probably wouldn't remember it either, but it's,

I, what I loved though, was your, um, your interest in that, because

I feel that he, even though I, I didn't, I actually haven't gone to

any of his, um, any of his programs.

I've just watched a lot of him.

I've read a lot of his books.

He's been a presence for a while.

He's also been an influence on a lot of people that I do admire.

So there's always that kind of transference of certain knowledge as well.

And I appreciated, you know, they're seeing people who are going

through a similar journey and taking those steps to do the scary things

and be like real with yourself.

Cause I know a lot of his, um, a lot of his.

Seminars or programs like you will have to get really real with your current

situation, your relationships, your, um, you know, your limiting beliefs.

Your you'll have to kind of go through and pick those apart and hold a mirror

up to yourself and your life and, and analyze, which is an amazing thing.

Um, but sometimes that's really hard for people to do.

And I met, I had known a lot of people who just didn't want to do that.

I think that was part of the reason why I really wanted to come out

here too, is to be around that.

And I was so excited for you to have a taken Sabrina.

Remember Sabrina was at first was like, I don't know what I'm going to do with this.

I was so sad with Sabrina.

I was like, you got to get involved.

I'm not going to sit with you.

You're going to have to, you know, sit by yourself.

Cause I want to have my own experience.

And I was like, you gotta go into it full force.

Like I did.

And the.

Yeah, she did not.

She got things out of it, I guess it is.

It's they're long days.

I think there were like 15 hour days and there's really no breaks.

Um, so it's, you really have to dedicate your time to it.

And I remember at one time, I found Sabrina like napping in a corner.

And I was so mad because I had bought into this program with Tony Robbins

called mastery university, where I paid like 10 grand to get all of his events.

And I also got, um, one of his, like an entry-level events is UPW.

Um, and UPW was something I could gift to somebody else.

So I gifted it to Sabrina.

So Sabrina didn't pay anything to go to the event.

So I was mad when I saw she was napping in the corner because I'm like, bitch,

I could have gone to this event again.

I didn't have to give it to you.

And you're just wasting it.

I was so mad.

Um, but I guess she got stuff out of it.

Yeah.

It is what it is.

I know, I think that's probably part of the investment

thing and why people like invest these programs without grams.

Cause they're like, okay, I'll just put some money down.

I just invested in this or I'm just so that's why

they're so expensive.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They want you to have that.

He wants you to have that accountability and that, uh, commitment to it.

But yeah.

So, and I remember when I had remembered at the time she was saying

like, well, like Taylor already knew a whole bunch of people because

they already knew who from online.

And they like recognized her because she's Insta famous.

And so that's why I was thinking about it because I'm sure a lot of

that came from, um, you know, I don't know what your community building

was before, but I'm sure for sure.

You got a bunch of people who were, uh, who discovered you because of.

The Gary V calm because of the journey that you were on, it makes a lot of

sense why people would be like, well, I want to know what she's up to.

I want to see how that turned out, or I want to see, you know, this is somebody

who's relatable or I'm a similar age, and I'm trying to do these things.

Or I like Tony Robbins too.

It makes sense.

Like Gary B and somebody likes Tony Robbins, it would make a lot

of sense that there's a lot of crossover of audience there too.

Um, so what was that kind of, you know, as that was sort of building up or

what was it like to just now have these people who are like asking you questions?

Like, what were you like, what kind of role did you take on as this kind

of creator, but also you're like, almost like an experimenter that's

sharing with the community as well.

Yes.

So my Instagram before maybe had like one or 2000 followers, and it's

really funny to think about because.

About one month before my call with Gary V I had good American

jeans was a brand new brand that Chloe cardiac Sheehan had launched.

I was excited to buy her jeans cause I'm like I got a big butt and a small waist.

I had don't have jeans that fit me.

So I was hoping that those ones would, and they did.

And I remember, and I posted a picture on my Instagram of the jeans and I

think it's still on my Instagram.

If you went like way down and Kim, not Kim, Chloe and good

American, both liked the photo.

And I don't know how, but that actually got me like 4,000 followers

overnight just from them liking it.

So I was like, holy shit, this is cool.

And then a month later it was my thing with Gary and Gary had shouted out my

Instagram and told people to follow me, to make sure I followed through

with what I said I was going to, which was I was going to get to work.

Um, And overnight from the Gary thing, I think I got 15,000 followers.

So I was like, holy shit, this is crazy.

Like in the last two months I've had like too many moments.

Um, and over time, I definitely, I think by the end of that year, I had

close to like 25,000, uh, maybe 30,000 followers and organically from then.

Like I still get people who watch that video and will follow me from it.

Um, but my following, his progressively just like increased over the last four

or five years since it, uh, and people could have easily just unfollowed me.

So I think when I get people who are saying, oh my God, you got such a

following from Gary V I really didn't.

They didn't have to follow me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I could have lost all my fellow.

Yeah, I didn't.

Um, so I must be doing something right.

And I get DMS and comments all the time from people now.

And it's, it's very humbling and reflecting because they say I've been

watching your journey for four years.

And I must say, it's extremely inspiring.

They tell me how I inspire them to start their own business.

They tell me how I inspire them to lose 50 pounds.

I inspired them to, you know, go and move to that city.

They always wanted to, whatever I've been doing is all I've been

doing is just trying to do shit.

Like I still haven't found that thing that I'm going to be doing that,

you know, is the business I started.

I haven't found that thing to get me to finally move to California.

I'm still on my journey, but my unrelenting energy of I'm not going

to stop until I figure it out, I think is the thing that gravitates

a lot of people towards my page.

Um, The word I keep going back to is the one that you had said the other day.

Like I'm unapologetically just living my life and I'm just chasing happiness

at this point and figuring out what it is that I really want to be doing.

Cause I refuse to live an average life.

I refuse to be, you know, just like everyone else.

I want to be my own unique self and figure out what that is.

And I think that's why people still follow me.

And it's funny because when I started to do my self love journey where

I wanted the, you know, show my confidence in myself, that I had finally

gained after 26, 27 years of life.

Um, so I started to be like more sexy in like summertime posting bikinis.

And I lost a lot of followers from that.

I think at my peak, I had like 55,000 followers.

So I've lost almost 10,000 followers since I went into more of it.

Like a self-love, um, space.

Yeah, it is what it is.

Like I personally don't care.

Um, but there were a lot of business people who followed me who were

like, oh my God, like you're selling yourself out, blah, blah, blah.

And I'm like, you clearly have not been following and paying attention enough

then, because if you read my captions, I'm the happiest I've ever been.

I'm more confident than I've ever been.

I'm like healthy glow radians over here.

And I've never had as much interest from men in my life.

Like in person, not even just like internet, like people

around me are noticing my change.

And, um, I think people just like seeing the progress of.

I've changed and it's not like I've changed who I am is I've just become

more of who I was always meant to be.

But I'm still trying to figure out what, who that is,

would be in the same boat as you.

I think that's something, especially if you are multi-passionate and

you, like you said, you don't want to live an average life.

I think I am going to venture that you feel the same way, but I am fairly

certain, like, actually very certain in my heart and in my gut that I'm

going to do really big fucking things.

I just don't know exactly what it's going to be.

And sometimes I get really frustrated because like, well,

why hasn't it happened yet?

It's not, it's not here yet, but there is this relentless piece that's in myself.

I was like, oh, I'm going to figure it out.

It's just, I have to do a lot of things.

Apparently before I get to that, or I have to have a certain, um, set of experiences

or I need to focus on, you know, Buying my husband, whatever that I have to do this

in the order that it's going to come, but there is this faith that it's just like,

I will not settle for not being myself.

I will not settle for like, I it's almost to a point of it being painful.

Like I don't want to ever do that again.

It would rip my soul apart to just, you know, give up, even if I don't know

what the hell I'm doing, I'm going to, like, I feel like there's like a reels

of it where some girls just like, just like, get that, getting ready for D

facing something you're just screaming.

And it just shows her like putting on makeup, just like screaming.

And you're like, I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm just

going to like do the thing and keep, keep following the journey.

And I, and what's really cool about your story too is, and this is

something that I wish I would have had more confidence in is, you know,

I, I always loved experimenting, but I always felt like I had to.

Narrowed down my story or allow people to understand me better.

And what was happening was I was shoving myself into kind of different

holes instead of letting myself just be like, I had to give myself

like different titles or, okay.

I'm a software developer now.

And now I do this, even though I never, yes, I develop software,

but it was because I wanted to bring something to life online.

It had nothing to do necessarily with like, you know, I like coding.

I ended up really loving it, but like, it's not like, oh

my God, this is like my thing.

It was like, this was my way of expressing myself during this time.

And it was something so valuable that I learned.

Um, but I felt like I had to define it all the time so people could see my

value and like, you know, understand my journey instead of just allowing myself

to just continue to show up and let that be enough and inspiring enough.

So when people are saying, oh, I saw what you did here when you moved, or when you

started this business or when you tried this and that was inspiring, you know,

airing that gives so much hope for people to share all parts of their experience.

Because I feel like there were a lot of pieces that I just had to kind of navigate

on my own, or I look back and I'm like, wow, that was a hard thing that you did.

And maybe you're not gonna, you don't have a bunch of accolades around it, or

you don't have, uh, you have a really great story of a lot that you learn,

but like, you know, even though it was quote unquote a failure, or it was a

tough time, you know, um, you know, you were working with the wrong person

at the time, whatever the, it may be.

Um, that was still impressive.

But I think for me, it was a lot of the issue with.

Being a creator online is like, there it is about all the authenticity, but

then there's a lot of back channel sort of storytelling, quote, unquote,

that can be really problematic for people who don't necessarily know

where the F their story is going.

And when you try to tell your story and people are like, I don't know what you do.

I think still people will have no idea what to do, but that that's fine.

I still don't know what I do either, but same.

Yeah.

Like, I don't know what your pitches, I don't know what you do.

I don't know what you can offer me.

I don't know what you are working on.

Like, I get that, that can be frustrating, but that also can be really damaging

when you start to try to, you know, put a label on it and it doesn't

quite fit and it doesn't feel right.

You start to get again in that like parallel

problem is people are trying to label us.

Like there is no label that will ever.

Because we don't live in a box like our world is Pandora's box opening.

It's not, you know, you

typically do not have a label because you were the one figuring it out.

And the whole boxes, niches, all that kind of stuff is a very patriarchal system.

Men tend to think in boxes or they tend to organize in boxes.

And that that's because their brains

are completely wired different.

Yeah.

We have all these pieces that connect to one another, everything is connected.

It's not necessarily in these neat little packages, but we

feel the connection in between.

It's not, you don't see it.

You don't see the box, you feel the connection in between.

And it makes so much sense because.

I think I've had a lot of problem with the term niche

that are niches, like micro obsessions.

I have a lot of micro obsessions and different things.

And if I did it, I would dedicate a certain amount of time to a

niche that I wanted to grow.

Um, but I never considered it like being narrowed into something.

That's interesting.

I mean, I don't think I mind it for, um, like I don't mind

it necessarily for like products or releases or something, but like when

people like a person like you

yeah.

Like, uh, or whatever.

Yeah.

Like a little stressful, or you need to find your it's like basically saying

like stay in your lane in a sense, or it's the extra mentality, which I think

a lot of people can benefit from that, but that's not necessarily for everyone

or that can be a little limiting.

The multi-passionate.

Entrepreneur.

And now tech is kind of risen up to the creator level and

to the multi-passionate level.

So you can actually manage your time and energy better between these

spaces that you want to explore or fully dive into or work within.

Um, and you can actually achieve it in a way that's sustainable without completely

burning yourself out as the kind of like creator academy stuff started coming

up, like, how did you grow without it?

I know you're an early adopter.

Like I am of a lot of things.

What were you doing as you were seeing like you, so you had this.

Audience.

And you were having these new kinds of platforms and places to explore.

What, what kind of things were you doing to, um, create new value for them?

Or you can even talk about some of the stuff when you were doing,

um, a lot of your confidence and monetizing kind of that piece too.

How did you start using some of these new platforms or new modes

of creating for your audience, um, to provide some new value than just

a great Instagram post or here's?

Well, one thing I knew I didn't want to do was monetize my

audience without having something that I knew would be of value to them.

Um, cause one thing I hate is when I'm following somebody and then

they're always trying to constantly sell you a pet peeve of mine.

So I didn't want to do that.

Um, so for me, my value when I first started with my audience, Just sharing

what I was doing and what I was learning.

So I did have a website where I'd had like this blog, um,

which, uh, I've been redoing my website for a very long time now.

Um, but the other thing that I did was one of the things of value that I thought

I could do was I was meeting all these amazing people and very talented people.

People like me, and I wanted to share those people with everyone.

So I started, um, building a community and I called it the digital era and

lived on Facebook and the Facebook group and the community was awesome.

And one thing I wanted to make sure was that it wasn't spammy.

So I basically told everyone like share information, share like articles

you found that, you know, you thought were really awesome and really dope.

And you'll learn something, share new skills you learn, you can share videos,

like whatever, just be a community.

There were so many.

People who had connected with other people in the community that

they started businesses together.

They started podcasts together.

They started, it was just like a very energetically creative space.

Um, and it got so big.

Like there were thousands of people in it that it was too much for just me to handle

when I'm trying to figure out my own shit.

I can't also be full-time managing a Facebook group.

So I brought in other people as admins, the people who were the

most authentic, but also the most engaged with everyone else.

Um, and I kind of like stepped back only when I noticed is when

I stepped back, it kinda died.

So I had a community that became, I would legitimate community.

And then I stepped back and it kind of died and people were

asking and begging for me to come back and like, run it again.

And, you know, starting the community.

With something I felt passionate about and it was doing great, but I can't be someone

who spends all of my time doing one thing.

So for me, I thought admin's coming on to run it for me would be great,

but then they kind of fell off too.

And, um, I noticed that a repeating cycle for me is always coming back to finances.

Like if I had somebody and could pay them to run the community,

then it would be thriving.

I guarantee you, this community could have been as big as like yes.

Theory.

Um, but the, it is what it is.

Uh, I could always go back to it.

I still have the Facebook group.

Um, I tried taking it to other platforms.

I tried taking it to discord, uh, which didn't really work or fit.

Um, And the community was great.

And when I started it, I started to do other ventures as well.

I wanted to get back into fashion.

So I wanted to create my own brand and got into like the drop shipping

fulfillment and all of that.

But the only real thing I could do with that was the branding itself and put

them on some t-shirts and it was very cool to see like people all over the

world wanted to be a part of the brand.

And the brand was actually why I created the Facebook group.

I wanted to start an apparel brand and I'm like, well, the best way

to have a brand click is if you had a community connected to it.

So I started the digital community originally so that I could have

a successful clothing brand.

Um, but it kind of took a life of its own and it didn't really work out like that.

But, um, I ended up closing the, the brand, the clothing brand down.

Cause I wasn't spending enough time into that cause I was

trying too many different things.

Um, then I got really, really, really in the market.

Because I figured storytelling and marketing is kind of the foundation

for every business becoming successful.

You can have a shitty product, but amazing marketing and it'll sell off the shelves.

Um, so I kind of went down that rabbit hole and what I notice is everything

that I became passionate about.

I fell down the rabbit hole.

Like I went so deep into it that I learned everything I

could possibly learn about it.

And that's kinda where I discovered, um, my multi-passionate, you

know, entrepreneurship skills and everything was through tasting.

And it was because Gary V had actually told me if you don't know

what you want to do, you have to try everything to start narrowing it down.

So I spent years just doing that, tasting it all.

I didn't commit to any one thing because I never.

I felt like I had found that one thing that was it.

And even still to this day, that's what I've been doing.

The one thing that I did kind of realize though, is it's not helping my wallet.

So for me, when I started, you know, when, you know, COVID hit and, you

know, the quarantine and all that happened, um, it was around the

time of, you know, my self-love journey, my self-confidence journey.

And around the same time that I had started my only fans.

So for me, I was like, I love myself.

I'm sharing myself.

Um, I didn't go deep into the only fans.

Like I don't do X-rated or,

um, like Warren or any of that,

like the, um,

like the major actions.

Yeah.

It's more fun.

So that's how that started.

And, uh, I was making more money than I ever had in my entire life doing

it, that I was able to quit my job.

Um, and that was kind of the turning point for me in, well, shit.

All right.

I can make money.

I can do this on my own.

I don't have to have the titles of, you know, the certificates

to be known as this person.

And, um, it freed me to be able to really look at myself again and be like, what

do I want to do to build an income that's sustainable and automated and remote.

Um, and that kind of led me into where I'm currently building out an Amazon business.

And I really enjoyed the, the research behind it, the product research,

I enjoy the branding behind it.

I enjoy a lot of things about.

And I'm to a point where I'm in product development now.

And then again, finding myself stuck because I don't like wasting money.

So I'm like, well, shit, what if the product doesn't pick up with people?

Don't actually like it, I don't want to waste thousands of dollars on a

product that's not going to sell it's I don't even care about the failing part.

It's I don't like to waste my hard earned dollars now.

Um, but yeah, I kind of just, I go down so many different avenues of interests and

things that I don't even know where I'm ending up, but I'm like a sponge and I'm

learning all kinds of things and probably has something to do with my neurodivergent

ADHD brain probably has something to do with, I can't settle on one thing.

I don't like labels.

I don't like being put in a box.

I don't really like being told who I should be or what I should be doing.

Um, so it's, it's been a journey of really being lost the whole freaking time.

But having this bone chilling certainty that I know I'm going to do something huge

one day, but I have no idea what it is.

So I keep trying everything in the meantime to try to figure it out.

And the more I learn, I'm learning a lot of things.

Like I love the quote that wasn't finished, that people always just like,

say half of it, but not the other half, like Jack of all trades, but master of

none better than being a master of one.

So that's kind of how I feel about the whole thing

for, um, in the multi-passionate rum.

Uh, we'll get into the neuro divergent part.

But the, what I noticed too about myself was, you know, when they would show

these people who are like, oh, they're a generalist and they're a specialist.

I'm like, I am the T sheets, like wild woman when it comes to certain things

like when I've changed industries, And I have like an elephant's memory.

So with a lot of the stuff that I learned in that industry or learning that skill.

So, um, like product development in the beauty industry, stuff from the

music industry on like working in sustainability and, um, coding and all

these different, you know, all these different spaces that I would dabble in.

And I did design for a while and I did music production, all these pieces like

that I would jump into and just like go hard, like truly just like get to a, it's

not, I wouldn't say, I don't even know where do you even like, determine the

cutoff of like where you get to expert, but like quite frickin proficient,

like, it's not like, oh, this is cute.

And I like studied it for a little while.

It's that really deep learning, um, that ravenous curiosity, but

then coupled with an ability to.

Either retain or, or be able to manage your knowledge base in a way where

you don't ever really lose that.

And you know what I've noticed at least for myself or the connections that I've

made is, you know, when people would say again, like niching and whatever, as far

as themselves, I'm like, I live in the space between like my favorite thing in

the world is to take some thing that I learned from this experience and tie it

to here or go into sustainability and take something from the music industry

when we were doing promotion and take that piece and bring it into here.

Or, um, when I was doing, you know, some consulting work, like taking

a piece from, uh, you know, one of the case studies that I did there

and then taking it into, uh, another space in a creative realm, it's just,

it's a neurodivergent superpower

like it is.

And I think was.

Almost like wrong of me to ever think that we like to think that

there was like anyone's space.

It was really kind of understanding what connects everything.

What are the systems that connect all of these pieces?

How do I connect all of these pieces?

You know, like I feel like you are the same way you're showing up

unapologetically authentically in all of these spaces with a, probably

not that different of a process than you probably are realizing.

It's probably a very similar process.

I know that my process is kind of similar, but the way that you get into

a creative flow and then like, decide that you want to commit to this and you

want to go down the rabbit hole and you want to pursue it and you want to do XYZ.

It's probably not that different between all these different spaces.

So your quote unquote niching is really just being very true to your process and

understanding the systems that connect.

All these different spaces, because I'm sure every time you switch projects

or switch industries, there's a lot of beginners fine, but you're bringing in

a lot of knowledge that you can also transfer because it's just business.

It's just creation.

It's like, you know, uh, there's not a lot in the foundational

pieces that change like that much.

It's just new ways of doing it or new tools or new resources.

So if you, like, I feel like we're really great systems thinkers, you

know, and you can see the landscape, you can see the trends you can

see, like, where do I fit in this?

Where does this product fit in this?

Where does my community fit in this?

You know, and to be able to see that, like, I, it is really like

a skill that I never really.

I didn't really know that that was a thing.

I think that it's something that is amazing.

And it's something that is partially, um, like a neurodivergent thing

as well, because of just the way that we process, we have to process

information and taking information.

We have to create connections between things because we don't

naturally do it in the same way as, uh, as people who are not.

Uh, so it's, it's cool because we've actually had to create our

own systems and designed our own life forever because we had to do

it because it wasn't built for us.

We had to build it ourselves.

You know, my sauce is me.

My sauce is like what I bring into this, like my, a bevy of experiences.

I'm like, uh, we're like writers that are collecting.

Yeah, no stories and information and, and things to draw upon.

We're like this best standup comedians in the world have like gone and lived their

lives with like little terrible jokes.

Like it they're experiential learners.

Yeah.

We tend to share in a very similar way.

We want to share what we're doing.

We're not saying, oh, hi guys, I'm the expert on this.

It's like, Nope, let me show you a resource.

Let me, Hey guys, like, you know, I went down the rabbit hole.

Would you like to see what I found in the rabbit hole?

Are you interested in this rabbit hole?

Like, let me share more about my rabbit holes so that I didn't

just do it for my own knowledge.

And then the other piece too is, um, typically like multi-passionate people

and it's very frustrating to me, but it's like, they're misunderstood,

but they're also known as flaky.

Yes.

Pushing a

project and like, you know, um, all okay.

I've uh, you know, I was scared sometimes to even share certain things.

So.

Getting into, because I was like, oh, well, you know, like, I, I

think I usually overcame that cause I was just like, who cares?

But there were times in my head where I would be like, oh, well,

I'm putting that out there.

And I am I putting like the, uh, the knife already at its back that it's

going to die in a couple of, yeah.

It's like the person who's dating, like a new guy.

And it's like, oh, this guy's really cute.

And it's like up, nevermind.

I think it's, we're quick to jump into things because we know

when we see something that we're passionate about, it's something

we want to learn more about, but we're also quick to make decisions.

Um, if it's right or wrong, it's not that we're flaky.

It's we literally are like, oh shit, NFTs.

That's kind of cool.

I want to learn more about it.

You dive deep into it.

You get to learn that 80%, which is the majority of what you need to know anyway.

And then from that, you're able to see.

All right.

That was cool.

Like I learned something, but I don't really think that's what I

want to be getting into anymore.

And now you have like all this knowledge and it's, it's funny because

I forgot what the guy's name is.

The guy who wrote the four hour work week, he's able to create all these different

systems and become like an expert per se, in all these different things.

And what he says is he, I think he knows like nine different languages too.

So perfect example, to learn a language, to be able to become fluent

in a language, you really only need to know like 80% of the language.

You don't need to know a hundred percent.

And this is a difference between being, being an expert in being a

master in a space is the extra 20%.

You would have to spend exponentially more time to learn the extra 20%.

But if you could learn 80, you know, enough to really repeat it,

teach it and all that kind of stuff.

You don't have to know.

The 10,000 hours that takes to become a master in something

to really understand it.

And I think the neuro divergent multi-passionate entrepreneur community is

really, really good at learning that 80%.

And we don't have to become a hundred percent in anything because at 80

presents pretty darn sufficient to do whatever it is that you want to do.

And I think we jumped into it so quick.

We learn it so fast that in like two to three months, we pretty much know most

of what there is to know about a subject.

And this w we're just quicker to make decisions because we're not

married to any one, you know, ideal or project or anything

this incessant need for myself sometimes, and almost

to a fault of wanting to pivot.

And, uh, when I would see things, especially when it was in this new

space, like, uh, sustainability, for instance, Like going through these

different iterations of products and wanting to pivot it like closer and

closer to something that felt correct.

But I needed to like, like you were saying, it's not, it's a

deep dive in learning, but it's also you, like you said, tasting,

but it's that experiencing it?

I cannot just read, like, I can kind of read something about whatever, but like

when I engage with it, when I engage with like, I'm a great beta tester,

because I love to get into the product.

I want to try it.

I want to do all the things.

I have a huge appreciation for it, but right now this is not the thing for me

or this project, but I will get into your product and I will be all up in it.

I will know everything about it.

And then I will step back and I will say, okay, this is not a good fit for

me right now, but that's how I feel out decisions and make decisions.

And if there are.

Let's say even just like, I love certain aspects of venture design or even

like product development, but then I backed it up to like venture design.

Like that's why I love the idea of startup studios and these places where

they do a lot of idea to minimum viable product testing and designing and

refiguring, and then have these spaces to kind of battle tested a little bit.

And then if it doesn't work, you just scrap it and you move and

it's fast, you iterate quickly.

And then when it's ready to ship, you give it to a wonderful management team

and they take it because, you know, I'm like, I feel my, my powers are in

that inception, that like initial idea, original design and getting it to.

Minimum viable product that matches with the correct founder in the correct market.

Um, but like, I am, I'm more ruthless than I think like there, I think there

are a lot of people who would go ahead on some of the business ideas that I

would, I have tried out where I think it's, uh, I haven't found what I wanted.

I probably have had many business failures, even though they didn't

even go past a certain point.

It was just, I knew when to shut it down and, you know, because I wasn't

necessarily married to it just cause it was my idea because I knew that

there's going to be a whole bunch of

experiential creatures.

Like if we're not experiencing it, we're not able to fully understand it either.

I think it's how we learn.

It's how we grow.

Um, and I think it's also why we could be so quick to change and

diver, I think some people, I think most people are not like us.

I think that's why they fall into a job 40 hours a week for 40 years.

They follow a system that is told to them, this is what you do.

We're so quick to jump around.

And that's just not the average.

It's not what the majority of people do, which is why we are probably mostly the

entrepreneurs, the movers and shakers, the innovators, the creatives were the ones

who actually changed the world because we're able to make quick decisions,

but we need to experience in order to understand and learn to it's yeah.

The systems to know what to change in them.

Like to know how to upgrade it.

You have to be in it and understand what needs to be changed.

So the thing is that most people don't like change.

You don't want it.

Like, we, I feel like we thrive on change.

We're very resilient to change and we seek out changes that can innovate yeah.

Businesses that can be lean like that and think like that that's so sustainable.

And that is like, The people that I saw, like survive a lot of immediate that

obviously there are things depending on the industry too, but you know,

when you're the biggest innovation thing that's happened recently is

COVID because it forced everybody to change and to accept change.

And you could see where people absolutely 100% changed their business model and

did something so spectacular that that was their, like, that is what they

needed to just like take them to this next level, because it was a certain

constraint that like got their brain in the right spot to kick it off.

There are people who adapted, um, in a lot of really cool and different ways.

And then there were people that were just like, I hate this.

And it's just that resistant.

Like it, even if it's apart from politics or anything else, but it's just, it

was just like, you could see the, just shutdown of like, are you kidding me?

Like I have to change.

It's like this.

There was this frustration with having to change.

It's like it's being forced on you when changes, just like

what, it's the same thing with social media.

There's so many businesses that have been running for 20, 30 years who

have not updated into social media.

Like business cards don't really exist anymore.

Your social media is your business card.

It is your resume.

It is your proof of concept.

And if you haven't changed with the times and gotten where all the attention

is, like your business is going to die.

Yeah.

And it's the same with a lot of these, you know, people who haven't

really bought into the, and it's not necessarily just like creators in

the sense of like influencer creators or people who are creating content.

But like if businesses are not make they're stupid, if they are not.

At least like engaging with the individuals, not just their

community, but just individuals in the platform are showing an

individuals, showing someone relatable.

No one wants to look at no one wants to look at a logo anymore.

No, one's like, no one wants to just look at like, well, maybe I like logos.

And I, like, I was, I kinda led, I like logo soup, but you know what I'm saying?

They want people, most people want to consume content that

is not so, um, Cormorant, you know, any more, not so space.

There's not that space.

They need to be relatable a little bit more of that.

Yeah.

And I think that there are brands that have done a fantastic job of that.

And then there are some.

Don't, uh, they don't want to, they don't see how they can innovate with their

current branding to make that a thing.

You know what I mean?

Like I think sometimes that there is that mystique or whatever, but there are

a lot of ways that you can create that.

But I think it that's just, again, it's resistance and it's just whoever

the collective is that is, um, innovating in that particular company.

But that's where a lot of companies now are hiring, um,

to create space for creators.

And my thought is the next space that's going to come up other than

just advertising and, um, you know, communities and stuff is, I do

think that there's going to be some sourcing of innovation from creators.

That's where a lot of this came from me because we are fast.

We are lean.

We are.

In the thick of it.

We have communities that are tapped in and when we know what the next thing

is, we move a lot quicker than a company or even startups for that matter.

Um, so I think there's going to be a lot of that.

And that's why owning your content and owning your value as

a creator, as an individual in these platforms, somebody who is

multi-passionate, um, is so important.

I do want to ask you though about your diagnosis here.

I'm going to actually,

well, like my computer.

So I didn't even know that I had ADHD until literally last year.

Um, and it all came about because I forget what it was.

My doctor wanted me to get tested for it for a multitude of different reasons.

And I was just so against it.

I'm not wondering.

To like doctors, I'm not one to like being prescribed medication.

Um, I like the more holistic, natural, like heal your body kind of a route.

Um, but she's like, well, how about you just at least, you know, take the test,

get tested and see if you even have it.

I'm like, okay, whatever.

So I did, um, I took the exam or whatever it was to determine

if I, you know, had it or not.

And I had not even realize that there are different types of ADHD.

I thought it was all just like one thing.

Um, and the most commonly recognizable one.

Hyperactive ADHD is the, you know, young little boys who are super hyperactive

and, um, but that's not what I was.

I was the inattentive type.

And for females, our brains are quite literally structured and connected

differently than male brains.

Like we're two totally different brains.

And for females were mostly the inattentive type and

where they most misdiagnosed.

Um, so I went down the ADHD rabbit hole as well.

And what I found was that what I thought was normal for me or what I

thought made me deficient as a person is actually just undiagnosed ADHD.

I have extremely horrible with like brain fog.

My memory is.

Disgustingly bad.

Um, I do like to jump from thing to things.

I have massive bursts of focus and energy when I'm passionate about something.

And then the complete opposite happens after where I get completely burned down.

I'm not motivated to do anything.

And I find it extremely hard to even wake up in the morning sometimes.

So there's a lot of things that I've learned funny enough because

of ADHD channels on tic-tac.

I've learned that most of the things that I thought made me in, like

the lack category are actually just how my brain is wired and you can

choose to learn the different ways on how to function best for yourself.

Um, I did try Adderall for like seven, eight months.

As much as I loved it, it also was pretty destructive for me as well.

Um, it got me up in the morning, it got me super energized.

It got me super focused.

Um, but it did have some side effects on me that I just wasn't okay with.

And I didn't like having to depend on that to even wake up in the morning.

Um, so I will take it occasionally.

I'll maybe take it a couple of times a month now.

Um, but I'm still trying to figure out how to produce my own

focus without being dependent on a drug, because I'm a completely

different person on an off of it.

Like when I had to wean myself off of it, cause I had to have a surgery.

Um, My brain fog was not only 10 times worse when I got off of it.

Um, but it's also the perspective.

I didn't realize how bad my brain fog was until I got on Adderall.

And then it was like night and day.

I was able to see how bright and colorful the world was.

And I loved it, which it could have been bad.

Like I could have very well become like addicted to never want to get off of it.

And it's one of those drugs that people take every single day and

they just think they have to take it for the rest of their lives.

Um, so I'm still playing with like, you know, mushrooms and lion's

mane and, um, what are they called?

Nootropics?

So there's like healthier avenues.

I'm trying to figure out.

But I it's so sad that women and the inattentive ADHD

is the most underdiagnosed.

Um, and people think that there's something wrong with them.

And there really isn't like, I found that this is my superpower is the

reason I'm so passionate about things.

I'm able to deep dive into something.

I know when I'm passionate and deep dive into something, it's probably something

I should pursue because my brain is not wired like that all the time.

It's why I'm so creative.

It's why I'm so good at just connecting things.

I think we have a really, like you had said a great.

Like super power is being able to learn so many different things and then

piece it together in our own brain to come up with completely new ideas that

have never been thought of before.

Um, I know that's something that I'm really fricking good at, but yeah, I

love that I have it, but I'm still trying to figure out how to become the most

optimized version of myself with it.

Yeah, I agree.

I think it's a, it's a, it's a lifelong journey.

Yeah.

I mean, I was diagnosed in college and the thing is, is that I

realized, so obviously I was able to function at these higher levels.

I think music was a huge, um, factor in how in activating my brain in a way.

To also support everything that I was doing.

And I'm very grateful for that.

It was also a huge emotional outlet cause I have, um, RSD as well.

Um, so that, you know, it's, I have it's like that rejection sensitive

dysphoria, like huge emotional waves.

And I realized like, even just recently, um, how much, like all the things that

made me all these competitions in, uh, like musical, um, related venues for

like, for like with the flute or piano or singing, it was because I would put, I

had so much of this like energy and, um, emotion there that I pour it into that.

And it was like, wow, it's like, you're the tone or the, the sound or the

expressiveness of the interpretation is like years beyond your age.

And it was because of that deep, you know, and that was also piece of ADHD.

Was that, that deep, deep, emotional, well of.

Just pure like pain and pure pain and like pure just feeling all the things and, uh,

you know, having abandonment issues and, uh, feeling misunderstood, very emo stuff.

But the thing is, is that, you know, I'm glad that I went to the school

that I did because I think if I weren't in a, in a environment where

I could have explored maybe what was going on, I probably would have

declined mentally, like pretty quickly.

Cause even in the beginning of college, I started to have.

Some things like going on where it was, there was a lot of depression, anxiety,

because I think it had just been going on for so long that I'd been masking and

overcompensating and doing all of this stuff to achieve at a certain level.

And I was just burning out like majorly.

I was getting physically ill, um, because I was physically manifesting

things, my me stress and anxiety and doing things in a way that I, I felt

like I needed to achieve, but then I, my brain wasn't necessarily built for that.

Um, so I ended up going and getting the, that test as well.

And, you know, I really was really resistant against it as well, because

I was like, well, I'm not, I clearly I achieved lots of things and I

worked really hard and I'm able

to able to function and get good grades,

be diagnosed with anything.

But once I kind of understood the, the other aspects to it, I made a lot more.

Since, and my working memory is absolutely.

They were like you, some of these other sections that were like, you

are on like a crazy genius level.

They're like your working memory though.

You are disabled, like severely.

And I'm like, oh my gosh.

And I'm like laughing so hard.

But at the same time, I'm like, well, of course, like that's feels like my life.

I feel like there's all this potential and there's this like booting error

that's so bad.

What was the test that you went through?

Cause mine was an online, mine was like 45 minute

exam.

I was like an in-depth like I had to do all these like puzzled, tight

tests and some other skills tests.

It was like, I think trying to, it was pretty in depth.

I think it wasn't just for ADHD.

I think it does diagnose that, but they were also looking at

other processing disorders.

Maybe cause sometimes people have auditory or visual or whatever that.

So it was pretty comprehensive, but that actually just almost frustrated

me more because there were some sections where they were like, wow,

you've performed like impressively.

Well, but then this piece right here is the one that is severely disabled people.

And it affects all the other ones that I'm like, right.

You know, it was like that frustration of land, but then there

was the piece, you know, like you were saying where it's like, okay,

well I want to figure this out.

I want to design my life in a way where I don't have to be dependent on medication

or dependent on these poor, um, systems that I've created for myself that were

not serving me and actually hurting me.

And I want to figure out how I can tap into those spaces and feel circumvent

the stuff that isn't, you know, as I'm not as strong in or that my brain isn't

as, uh, as strong in our CB, I can help that a little bit and then, uh, figure

out another way to approach a problem.

So it's kind of also, I'm sure free too.

It's like.

Brings up that little bit of the life hacking and the brain hacking and

biohacking aspect, because I feel like that's just naturally where we would go.

Um, but that's going to be, it's going to be a long, it's

gonna be something for life.

But I think the biggest thing that I noticed is that, um, ADHD is hard

when you're in like a masculine energy all the time that like really hustle.

If you're in that hustle mode or you were given that information, it is can

be really tough when I've started to embrace some of the feminine energy

type activities and just downloading inspiration and, um, letting things kind

of magnetized to me, like opportunities.

Like I'll write things down, but like giving them some space to breathe a

little bit before I jump into anything, we're letting setting the intention

for something to come through the information to come to me when I need it.

I found that it still comes to me, but I'm just a lot less aggressive about.

You know, getting burning myself out really and wasting energy

that I don't necessarily, I can't afford to waste, you know?

Yeah.

I've been on the extremes of both like in my masculine and in my feminine.

And there were definitely a lot.

I was a lot harder on myself when I was in my masculine and it's like,

no, you don't get to sleep more than four hours today because you have

things to do and you're going to do them because this is hustle mode.

And I think that was really good for me to have the perspective of

what I could be like on both sides.

Um, but I've actually gotten really, it's one of the rabbit

holes I'm done more recently is the masculine, feminine energies.

And, um, how to live in my divine feminine has completely.

Taken weight off of my shoulders.

Um, and it's been something that I've wanted to learn more about is like the

archetypes of the divine feminine and how to like live within what it is that you

actually are so that you're not, you know, living in that imposter syndrome of like,

oh, well, this person over there is really successful and she's a woman and she's

in the business and blah, blah, blah.

But her archetype is totally different from mine.

So I'm still trying to mimic other people, which isn't completely accurate

of what I should be doing anyway.

Um, so even like more self-awareness down in to like niching learning

more about, you know, who I am.

Um, it's definitely helped, but I didn't, I didn't get as comprehensive

as a analysis and the ADHD that you got.

So I don't know what my specifics are and I've been really wanting to go,

have you heard of the amen clinics?

I really want to go to the amen clinics, um, and get like the

brain scans to actually have that.

This is your brain, like here is the data not, you know, just some psycho,

um, analysis of kind of all right.

Well, here's some puzzles that are going to figure it out and blah, blah, blah.

I'd rather have, like, if there's something wrong with your heart,

you usually do a heart test.

If there's something wrong with your spine, usually get like an MRI

or, you know, an x-ray when it's something with your brain, I don't

know why they don't do brain scans.

So when I came across the Inman clinics, I really want to do that.

And it's probably going to be something I do in the next year.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's, that's definitely, I feel like for a lot of the people I've had conversations

with that are women, um, who have ADHD, they have all expressed the same of like

really wanting to go and get that done just because it gives a new piece of data.

That's.

Straightforward.

And because we've had to deal with so much, um, you know, there's medical

bias, you know, we've had to deal with so much of that and like unlearning

and relearning that it is comforting to know that there's something that can

be a little bit more straight forward.

Right.

Um, but I I'm interested when you were saying, Hmm.

Cause I think even for myself, I've been looking at a lot of

different types of archetypes.

I love systems in general.

Um, like even I was looking at human design stuff too, which has to do with

astrology and there's this like, are like, there is like the manifesting generator.

You don't do a quiz it's just based on when you're born.

But a lot of, uh, ADHD people it's weird.

They like fall into manifesting generators, which are these

really who are multi-passionate and create a lot of things.

So I'm going to have

you send that to me.

Yeah.

Because that also really change my.

You play because like human design, like there's some

things I let her like, oh, okay.

That's a little out there.

But most of it is based on like, systems of like, from ancient, like religions

and then also with, um, astrology.

And what's really cool is you can just, you're not answering questions.

It's not like, oh, I am a, you know, like your, um, Myers-Briggs, it's like,

it's just determined for you, but then looking at it, it was, it like shocked

me to my core, like almost a year ago.

And it was it's basically, they talk about your different strategies and

it's based on how you use your energy.

So there are people who, um, basically there's like generators

and manifesting generators basically are the, the doers and the makers.

And manifestors are the ones that.

Well, download an idea, but they typically tell other people and they do it.

Um, and I think a lot of people want to be the manifestor, but there's some

magic and being the Jenner because you get to like birth the sign, you know,

and, and you can also create it yourself.

It's not just like, um, only one person can have an idea.

It's more that we get our ideas from our surroundings and like our environment and

piecing like those puzzle pieces together.

Um, but it was really cool because the way that it fills itself out, as you get to

see how you're making decisions, if you're like in your correct mode of pursuing

certain, yeah.

I definitely need to take this

you'll yeah.

You'll, you'll, you'll love it.

I love it because I just resonated so much with me.

And I would be really curious to see what you are if you were, I would

say you were, uh, um, generator and manifesting generators because of how.

Work through things.

And those tend to be a lot of successful entrepreneurs because they're the ones

who have the piece and they usually magnetize people in to as resource.

Yeah.

And button, if it's cool.

It's if you go down into the rabbit holes there, they have

like open and closed centers.

So like I have an open.

Like both brain parts, which means that I am very susceptible to a lot

of inspiration, but also a lot of like opinions and ideas and things,

as opposed to like having a fixed, you know, like one, um, it's like

you're downloading a lot of things and gathering a lot of information.

Um, like where you make decisions from, they say like a lot of times they'll

show you like where you make your decision from and how will you know

that you've made the right decision.

I'm an emotional 30.

So I have to go through like an emotional wave.

Some people get a gut feeling

and it's really, I'm so excited to take this and then it

can go, you can go into your going to, they have

all these gates and stuff too.

And like, you can look at all these pieces that are filled in

and you're like, what the heck?

That seems like it's trying to tell me my destiny and it's, but

I, I absolutely freaking love it.

So I'm curious about that.

And what was I going to say?

Oh, just the divine masculine and feminine piece and living more in your feminine.

That aspect combined with being more my feminine and letting go of some of that

need to control, um, has been huge for me.

And then just also being like trusting myself and that, like,

I will get this done or I will, um, get the answer that I need.

Like even just setting that intention and knowing it'll come, I swear, even

if it is in the 11th hour, it comes, you know, or always correct pizza.

Yeah.

And what's great is when you start trusting that more, you

feel a lot freer and you're more creative and more intentional.

And, um, you know, what's cool about the divine feminine too

is just in being a creator.

Matt and manifesting, like, I love the whole, like the idea

of manifestation, because it is that idea through impact process.

And it's always been something I've always loved that entire process, but then you

see it in kind of all these different forms of like women giving birth.

And we're a, you know, manifesting something, you know, from

wherever and like into form.

Um, that whole process has always been fascinating for me, but then when

you start applying it in these other spaces and really being in the divine